the game is 3 days away.
this is very crucial, real loss=pretty much bye bye Liga.
Ronaldo looks set to miss this one. i think we MIGHT scrape through by 1 goal. 2-1 Real: Raul, Guti.

my preferred lineup:
-------------------------Casillas--------------------------------------------

Salgado--------Pavon--------Helguera-----------------------R.Carlos

---------------------Beckham-----Cambiasso(H)------------------------

Figo------------------Guti:mrpimp: ------------------------------Zidane

----------------------------Raul-----------------------------------------------

usually, at the end, atletico always fails ... and without Torres :rolleyes: but with current Madrid anything can be expected.

is Helguera recovered? I think he had some little problem

hala madrid, we have to win this one. Im pretty ronaldo is out of this one. And valencia against betis, wll they COULD lose..
I say Real Madrid 3-2 Athletico Madrid, We always play well against the 'good teams;, or in important matches.
cant wait for this one!

Wow ... A must win the Madrilenos ... that is the Real ones :p

Two points off the mark in La Liga they can't afford to slip up, with Valencia cruising atm.

for once Real Madrid fans have to speculate with other teams opponents. :amika:

I believe that they will come out on top anyway..

I realized everytime Real go down in a shock defeat, they come back and destory their opponents.

4-1 Real.

I could be wrong, though. :p

Too much is riding on this game for Real Madrid. I predict a 1-4 score infavor of Real Madrid.

I predict a close game by one goal, i think a 3-2 win for Real, but anyhing can happen in derby's.

Real Madrid's woes to continue.:p

Draw I think :S Never really impressed by Atletico and Real Madrid isn't that good atm. Still a good game, 2-2

I would think that Real can outscore Atletico though if Atletico can quickly attack then they may catch Real's backline flatfooted and take advantage of this. Though I still think that Real will win...

2-1 victory for Real Madrid...

We will win

without Torres Atletico won't be that good.

I say 2-0

Beckham and Raul to score

is a derby so you can never tell, but either way, then r.madrid gets barca and deportivo so they will have a tough time to try to reel Valencia back.

2-2

Real blows;)

Will Contra play for Atletico?

Thanks Mikey for your insightful comments:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Dumisani
Thanks Mikey for your insightful comments:rolleyes:

your welcome.....im just bitter i dont get to see any la liga games.

Originally posted by RUSI
We will win

without Torres Atletico won't be that good.

I say 2-0

Beckham and Raul to score

dont predict a clean sheet for casillas, he never gets one :). i say 2:1, zidane, raul.

Why is everyone referring to Real Sociedad when the match is between Madrid and Atletico? :confused:

(H)

hate both teams so I hope its a draw

Originally posted by Drvar
dont predict a clean sheet for casillas, he never gets one :). i say 2:1, zidane, raul.

He is inconsistent when it comes to clean sheets mainly b/c our defense.

i think he will play terrific

BTW is this tomorrow or sunday?

EDIT : IT is tomorrow

Real can't (or mustn't) lose this one because they are Real Madrid ,favourites in all 3 competitions.Two have already been lost.Too much money has been invested in this current team of stars.Madrid have experienced players who will now do their best.Besides ,AT.M. are not a very good team so I think Real will trash Atletico.They were crushed by Osasuna and will be looking to recover from recent defeats and of course won't let go of La Liga easily.

I hope Mejia stays injured so he doesn't play.

I think he is terrible, I might be wrong, but I am not sure what Quieroz sees in him

I hope it is
------------------Casillas-------------------
Salgado----Pavon--Helguera----Carlos
----------------Cambiasso-----------------
in the back

3-2 Real.

Ronaldo 2, Raul

Fernando Torres

Originally posted by buzzer555
3-2 Real.

Ronaldo 2, Raul

Fernando Torres

Torres is out because of suspension.

;)

My bad. Ronaldo isn't playing too according to the UEFA website.:confused:

yeah, he re-aggrevated his hamstring last weekend

Yeah, Mejia is flat out garbage.

This will be Roberto Carlos' 400th match for Madrid

expect him to score(H)

My prediction: :hump:

Originally posted by Voltaic Borusse
Yeah, Mejia is flat out garbage.

i still don't kmow y he plays

Go Real!!!!!:rockman: :rockman: :rockman:

Atletico will win and Real will be crying till the end of their lives :crazyboy:
"Everbody is against us" :crazyboy:

I was looking forward to seeing Torres play.:(

But anyway come on Atletico!:rockman:

(H)

Atletico without Torres looks pretty ordinary. But, Real Madrid without Ronaldo also looked pretty average to say the least, so i'm expecting a draw.

Pavón-R. Bravo are in the centre-backs

Helguera is playing centre-mid

good move by Queiroz i hope:)

They're going to televise the Atletico/Madrid game when this ****ty Plaza Colonia/Liverpool game is finished. Can't wait. :)

goltv?

Originally posted by RUSI
Pavón-R. Bravo are in the centre-backs

Helguera is playing centre-mid

good move by Queiroz i hope:)
It took him so long to realise that Helguera is not a centre-back?:rolleyes:

Originally posted by RUSI
goltv?

Yep. :)

Originally posted by Grunger0x
It took him so long to realise that Helguera is not a centre-back?:rolleyes:

He probably knows, but he is probably the best center-back we have on our team unfortunately.



Originally posted by Voltaic Borusse
Yep. :)

I have been urging my friend to get it so tht i can watch the Madrid games instead of only watching some highlits(H)

hopefully he gets it b4 the Barca match next weekend:)

Originally posted by RUSI
He probably knows, but he is probably the best center-back we have on our team unfortunately.





I have been urging my friend to get it so tht i can watch the Madrid games instead of only watching some highlits(H)

hopefully he gets it b4 the Barca match next weekend:)
Helguera is the best DC you've got there? That's bull**** to me... i mean, he always gives away a goal here and there. I wouldnt play him anymore after the Athletic Bilbao match.

Helguera is a calamity at the centre-back. Queiroz just sucks, this Real Madrid with Del Bosque would be such a better team.

Originally posted by Grunger0x
Helguera is the best DC you've got there? That's bull**** to me... i mean, he always gives away a goal here and there. I wouldnt play him anymore after the Athletic Bilbao match.

Helguera is a calamity at the centre-back. Queiroz just sucks, this Real Madrid with Del Bosque would be such a better team.

If Del Bosque was still coach they would be winning the Trebel this season:p

Possible Line-ups:

Atletico:
Aragoneses
Gaspar, Garcia Calvo, Lequi, Sergi
Aguilera, De los Santos, Ibagaza, Nano
Paunovic and Nikolaidis

R Madrid:
Casillas
Salgado, Helguera, Pavon, Roberto Carlos
Figo, Beckham, Guti, Solari
Zidane and Raul.

GO ATLETICO! :rockman:

Originally posted by TottiNZidaneR#1
If Del Bosque was still coach they would be winning the Trebel this season:p
Well, they would still be trying to do that at least.

Come on Madrid!!!. This is a late kick off, its already 8:40pm here and the match build up is still on TV, must be a 9pm kick off then.

Originally posted by Spurs4Life
Come on Madrid!!!. This is a late kick off, its already 8:40pm here and the match build up is still on TV, must be a 9pm kick off then.

Its 8:40PM in London, Dman its 2:40PM in USA, Centeral time.:o

Originally posted by Spurs4Life
Come on Madrid!!!. This is a late kick off, its already 8:40pm here and the match build up is still on TV, must be a 9pm kick off then.

Did you see the Intro by Sky Sports with previous Madrid derby goals? that was class, especially with the music.

Originally posted by shokz
Did you see the Intro by Sky Sports with previous Madrid derby goals? that was class, especially with the music.

Aye...magic(H)(Y)

I just realised i said "Come on Madrid in my previous post but i didnt specify which one, so ill do it again...

Come on REAL MADRID!!!.

I saw the first match of Mejia. He was really good.

It's funny to see how Real Madrid kill their young players. They give them all the responsibility as if they were world class when they have 20 years. Pavon was great, Ruben was great, Mejia was great,... There is too much responsibility, pressure from the media.

It's very difficult to continue the progression when from Real Madrid B(Second division B) you should be the responsible of the first team every week without any fault. Overall for the defenders because with their ultra-ofensive tactic it's impossible to have a good defensive system.

I like Florentino for that reason, his project is a trap for the young players, requesting them that they are the best in the world since their first match with the first team, if they don't then they are crap.

Good luck Portillo, Pavón, Rubén, Mejía,... :ewan:

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Go Atleti !!!

Queiroz just sucks, this Real Madrid with Del Bosque would be such a better team.

If Del Bosque was still coach they would be winning the Trebel this season

how true :(

GO REAL MADRID! :rockman: :rockman:

Shokz, look away from the TV and just listen and u would think that Sky Sports have a 12 year old pundit :funny:

Originally posted by Spurs4Life
Shokz, look away from the TV and just listen and u would think that Sky Sports have a 12 year old pundit :funny:

Joe Cole :kader: Guillem Balague>Joe Cole.


1-0 Real Madrid

Santi Solari in the 4th min.

Del Bosque was brilliant.Perez thought he should be replaced because Madrid only won 1 title per season with him.
Now they won't win anything.

Gotta love Perez!

Originally posted by zka
Del Bosque was brilliant.Perez thought he should be replaced because Madrid only won 1 title per season with him.
Now they won't win anything.

Gotta love Perez!

Unless Madrid win the CL every year the board will never be satisfied.

HT 0-1

Boring, Atletico without Torres is nothing.

I still think it was dumb of Perez to fire Del Bosque even when he won a title last year. IMO that could really end up costing them this year almost as much as not buying a couple top class defenders during the offseason and the winter break....

Solari's sister is the real deal



:rockman:

Goal Paunovic from a PK of Pavon to Nikolaidis


Second yellow card to Pavon although I think that should be direct red card

1-1 :)

Level again!

1-1:rockman:

Nikolaidis fouled by Pavon in the penalty area, Pavon receives his 2nd yellow card.

And Paunovic converts the penalty on 48th minute. :rockman: :rockman: :rockman:

WHAT A MATCH!.

End to end stuff. Athletico have had 2 one on one chances the second one hitting the post, the match is being played at EPL pace, great match:rockman:

Crap.

2-1 Real Madrid.

Ivan Helguera on 78'

Sergio Aragonese should be blamed for both Real Madrid goals.

Goal Helguera 1-2 from a corner kick

Madrid play better with 10 players..

Aragoneses was fouled by Raul just before the goal, it's the referee to blame this time

Originally posted by Dream Team
Goal Helguera 1-2 from a corner kick

Madrid play better with 10 players..

Not really. A.Madrid had 2 one on one clear cut chances so they should of been in front.

and probably helguera was offside. Only Sergi is over the goal line.

So madrid will win again thanks to a refferee mistake, although to be honest it deserves the win

Paunovic scores again, the man has been on fire of late. (H)

The GK was at fault in the 2nd goal. Plus Atletico had 3 great chances to score and failed to do that, and play with 11 men against 10.

They deserved to lose, for sucking so much.

Bah, they never played with 10 men, they had the ref on their side as well...

Ah well, Athletico should have scored atleast one more goal. Let's hope Valencia pick up 3 points tommorow :p

Game over 1-2

madrid was better but won thanks to a goal where raul commited fault on Athletico Gk and probably Helguera was offside ...

Can somebody tell me how Lequi is doing and did Olivera play for Atletico?

Thanks

Olivera didn't play, i think;)
where was Raul today:| he was only involved in the second goal and that was only a foul. raul bravo went on an unbelievable run:o. zidane was not so good in his shooting, Figo just kept shaming the defense into fouling him:mrpimp: we deserved the win, considering we played 48 odd minutes with one less player. although quieroz must be fired and del bosque brought back:p

Atletico Madrid 1-2 Real Madrid - 12mb - Windows Media Player 9 (http://www.shokz.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/madrid-derby.zip)

Thanx Shokz..

Thanks for the highlights (Y)

**** Yes, I love beating Atletico. Though it seemed thatthey missed a lot withou Torres

I hope Valencia drop points tomorrow (H)

I also hope that our winning ways continue through next week:)

http://www.as.com/portada/imgs/portadas/atleti_madrid2.jpg

:rockman: :rockman: :rockman:

listen to goals -

1st - http://www.cadenaser.com/player.html?audioFile=20040417csrcsrdep_12.Aes

2nd - http://www.cadenaser.com/player.html?audioFile=20040417csrcsrdep_13.Aes

3rd - http://www.cadenaser.com/player.html?audioFile=20040417csrcsrdep_14.Aes


BTW Valencia play Real Sociedad tomorrow :evil:

:jap: (Y)

Originally posted by shokz
Atletico Madrid 1-2 Real Madrid - 12mb - Windows Media Player 9 (http://www.shokz.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/madrid-derby.zip) Thanks! :rockman:

The freakin referre sucked, it sometimes benefited Real. Nikolaidis did better than Paunovic. Its hard for me to say this but, Real M played way above than Atletico, they were crap. They played with dissorder, and lost every ball they got. Aragoneses was totally crap, he was responsible of both goals. Solari did great game, like always :). Pavon was playing good, Salgado did almost nothing. Hmm, I was doing something when Ibagaza was substituded, can any1 plz tell me why? Casillas did great in the 1 on 1 against Sergio and I dont know who else. DAmn, Atletico sucked in this game.. :kader: Now lets hope Valencia wins their game against "la Real" :p

Originally posted by ricardo
Solari's sister is the real deal



:rockman:

Damn she hot, whats her name:rockman: :hump:

Originally posted by Dream Team
I saw the first match of Mejia. He was really good.

It's funny to see how Real Madrid kill their young players. They give them all the responsibility as if they were world class when they have 20 years. Pavon was great, Ruben was great, Mejia was great,... There is too much responsibility, pressure from the media.

It's very difficult to continue the progression when from Real Madrid B(Second division B) you should be the responsible of the first team every week without any fault. Overall for the defenders because with their ultra-ofensive tactic it's impossible to have a good defensive system.

I like Florentino for that reason, his project is a trap for the young players, requesting them that they are the best in the world since their first match with the first team, if they don't then they are crap.

Good luck Portillo, Pavón, Rubén, Mejía,... :ewan:

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Go Atleti !!!

In my opinion Mejia is the worst defender real madrid did used in the last 20 years.

Just my opinion.

Originally posted by Crusad3r
In my opinion Mejia is the worst defender real madrid did used in the last 20 years.

Just my opinion.

i second that. i really don't see what the hell quieroz sees in him, just b/c he's the B team captain it doesn't make him suddenly ready to come up with the big boys

nice to see figo's magic in the first goal, always cheers me up :). much needed win for real, and i dont know wtf are you people saying the ref helped real? from the highligths, raul barely touched the goalkeeper, and it certainly wasnt offside. plus they had one player less. great win.

the GK can't be touched in the small box, so it was fault

About the offside I'm not sure. Waiting for today's highlights, but look at it closely because only sergi is on the goalline

saying that it's deserved because you had one player less it's ridiculous. Do you know that this it's the 4rth time madrid finish the game with 10 players on the pitch. Barça (it's the team I know more about but something similar for other teams) has finished 13 times a game with only 10 players on the pitch ... so being with 10 players it's not an argumet to deserve a victory, or do you think it is?

I'm not saying that Madrid didn't deserve the victory. It was much better than Athletico, but at the end madrid won with a reff mistake ... as so many other times :kader:

EDIT:

From as.com

http://www.as.com/articulo.html?d_date=&xref=20040418dasdai_68&type=Tes&anchor=dasftbA00

"Los jugadores del Atlético reclamaron falta al portero, que no fue, y posición ilegal de Helguera, que parece que sí. "

here it says there was no fault but admits that it was offside

From Marca:

http://www.marca.com/edicion/noticia/0,2458,472079,00.html

"...encontró con la victoria a su alcance, gracias a un saque de esquina que, obstaculizado por Raúl, no supo despejar Aragoneses"

Here, it doesn't talk about the offside but admits there was fault on Athletico's GK

i never said they deserved to win because they had one player less. you made it sound like real bought the game or something. and you nicely pointed out yourself, that there isnt a firm standpoint if it was a foul or there was an offside. it is purely up to the ref to make that call, with 10 different referees, 5 would allow that goal, 5 wouldnt most likely. so its not a ref mistake, its the refs decision.

Originally posted by Drvar
so its not a ref mistake, its the refs decision. When the ref takes a bad decision, isn't it a mistake? :confused:

In my planet the answer would be YES


Anyway, if you see the images then you would think that there is offside, clearly. There isn't confusion. Other thing is what you wish.

Originally posted by TottiNZidaneR#1
Damn she hot, whats her name:rockman: :hump:


OMG she's really hot, her name is Liz Maria I belvieve, damn she's the hottest siter of all football players' sisters...

what images do you mean? the highlights? i cant see **** from them about the offside, so some pics would really be helpful so i can make up my mind :).

Originally posted by Drvar
what images do you mean? the highlights? i cant see **** from them about the offside, so some pics would really be helpful so i can make up my mind :). I'll try to find one when there is some replay on TV, I've seen one in the news very clear.

Originally posted by Drvar
i never said they deserved to win because they had one player less. you made it sound like real bought the game or something. and you nicely pointed out yourself, that there isnt a firm standpoint if it was a foul or there was an offside. it is purely up to the ref to make that call, with 10 different referees, 5 would allow that goal, 5 wouldnt most likely. so its not a ref mistake, its the refs decision.

I agree the reff could not see the fault and the offside, and that's why he was wrong. Those things happen and are called mistakes.

I just wonder why wrong decissions made by reff always help the same team ... :confused: That's the problem.

about the highlights, just in case Dreamteam can not post them here, believe me : if AS.com admits it was offside, it means it was... it's the most "merengue" newspaper (even more than marca)

and about the images of the hot lady, I don't know who she is but some pictures would be appreciated ;)


EDIT:

from Marca
http://www.marca.com/edicion/noticia/0,2458,472101,00.html

"El tanto logrado por Iván Helguera no debió subir al marcador porque se infringió el reglamento en dos acciones previas a la entrada del esférico en el marco defendido por Sergio Aragoneses. Antes de que Helguera remate, Raúl empuja al meta del cuadro rojiblanco. Además, el jugador cántabro se encuentra en posición de fuera de juego cuando recibe el balón que cabecea al interior de la portería rojiblanca."

Here marca admits that it was fault and offside

Here's a Gallery of Liz Maria Solari, Santiago Solari's Sister:

http://www.porcellino.net/donne/liz_maria_solari.htm
http://www.diosasdeargentina.com.ar/solari/solari.html

Not too much quality but here's the pic

Originally posted by americangreg
Here's a Gallery of Liz Maria Solari, Santiago Solari's Sister:

http://www.porcellino.net/donne/liz_maria_solari.htm
http://www.diosasdeargentina.com.ar/solari/solari.html

:rockman: :crazyboy: :rockman: :crazyboy: :hump: :hump: :crazyboy: :rockman:

:boohoo:

Originally posted by americangreg
Here's a Gallery of Liz Maria Solari, Santiago Solari's Sister:

http://www.porcellino.net/donne/liz_maria_solari.htm
http://www.diosasdeargentina.com.ar/solari/solari.html

:hump: :crazyboy: :crazyboy: :p

Back to football, the reff help to madrid yesterday, has been complemented with a strange penaltty against valencia today ....

just without this weeks mistakes valencia would have 4 points more than madrid.

it's really unbeliable :kader:

The girl is hot and has great body, but her face is just ok. But thanks for the links

Some of you make me laugh.

Originally posted by panxoman
Back to football, the reff help to madrid yesterday, has been complemented with a strange penaltty against valencia today ....

just without this weeks mistakes valencia would have 4 points more than madrid.


So you guys think that the ref in the Valencia match was thinking

"Damn, Valencia are gonna score two goals late in the match. I need to give Sociedad a penalty so they can lead by two goals. Then they will draw Valencia so Real Madrid ties them atop La Liga."

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by americangreg
Here's a Gallery of Liz Maria Solari, Santiago Solari's Sister:

http://www.porcellino.net/donne/liz_maria_solari.htm
http://www.diosasdeargentina.com.ar/solari/solari.html

... she looks too much like him

Shut up with the ref-help bull**** already. It's annoying and old. We all get the point. Now lay off already, troll.

Originally posted by Voltaic Borusse
Shut up with the ref-help bull**** already. It's annoying and old. We all get the point. Now lay off already, troll.

I understand it could be tiring for for you,

but imagine how tiring it is , for instance this weekend, to see madrid fans cheering because they have same points than Valencia and they will win la Liga when in fact there's a 4 points gap between what the results have been and what they should have been this weekend.

If they weren't so arrogant and admited that "maybe" they got some help... then it would easier.

Look who I found again: :boohoo:

I agree with VB, just be quiet with the ref stuff. I could come in here and cry about refs when we lose but I don't. I don't see RUSI doing that either.

It's not the refs fault you guys are 7 points back.;)

Originally posted by Can't stop the rush...
Look who I found again: :boohoo:


:funny:

i was looking for him:crazyboy:

Originally posted by Mikey
... she looks too much like him

but she's hot :hump: (H)

;)

Originally posted by [ShReK]
;)

Ei gloryhunter,

I have to admit that it's a good photoshoop work, although I prefer previous pics in this thread ;)

Liz Maria does look like her brother, especially in the eyes and nose....

But I would definately rather look at her then her brother :D

Originally posted by panxoman
Ei gloryhunter,

I have to admit that it's a good photoshoop work, although I prefer previous pics in this thread ;)

if i was a gloryhunter, now i would support not Real (i'm talking about Real elemination from a cl)

so..

:)