After being severly disappointed by all the previous Fifas and such, and forced to move to PES I can finally say EA whooped Konami in every which way.
1st of all, Euro 2004 doesnt even remind me of the horrible horrible Fifa 2004.
2nd of all the gameplay was improved completly, the AI is fantastic (yea it got few bugs here and there, but nothing huge), the AI finally attacks from allover, front, sides, lobs, long shots just you never know what they gonna do next, which is excellent, I was pro in Fifa 2004, beating everyone 4-0, 6-1 and such, right now Im struggling to even score 2 goals in the same game on pro, not only that Im gaving a blast, and FINALLY I CAN USE MY PS2 contoller without modifing anything :)
Well done EA, now just finish up and release this bad boy so I can buy my 1st ever soccer game! :mrpimp:

I dont need to look anywhere, Euro 2004 is the ONLY soccer game right now, PES3/WE and such are history, nuff said.

[i] PES is history, nuff said. [/B]

correct my friend!
pes was dead and buried a long time ago!
were all playing pes3 and we7i now fella.

?? winning eleven 7 was great

I'm with you..
I believe EA is doing great job with this great game.
I expect the full version to be even greater.
I have both GC and PS2, and i was thinking about selling my PS2 because i only play WE with it and nothing else.
but now, I have to keep it so that i can play Euro 2004, since it's not released on GC.

Right on Wabber!

yea for sure it's a great game, nice work EA.

i was so surprised (and happy) when the ai was pulling off nutmegs and all these fancy moves on me. The ai is greatly improved.

Originally posted by Thierry__Henry
After being severly disappointed by all the previous Fifas and such, and forced to move to PES I can finally say EA whooped Konami in every which way.
1st of all, Euro 2004 doesnt even remind me of the horrible horrible Fifa 2004.
2nd of all the gameplay was improved completly, the AI is fantastic (yea it got few bugs here and there, but nothing huge), the AI finally attacks from allover, front, sides, lobs, long shots just you never know what they gonna do next, which is excellent, I was pro in Fifa 2004, beating everyone 4-0, 6-1 and such, right now Im struggling to even score 2 goals in the same game on pro, not only that Im gaving a blast, and FINALLY I CAN USE MY PS2 contoller without modifing anything :)
Well done EA, now just finish up and release this bad boy so I can buy my 1st ever soccer game! :mrpimp:


You do of course realise that in one sentence you say you've had all the other FIFAs and moved onto PES and then later on in the same post you say you're about to buy your first ever soccer game!!!!!

As they probably say in the elementary school playground to you in recess "liar, liar, pants on fire!"

He might have downloaded the other games like me.:p ;)

.....or is really lieing.:kader:

Originally posted by manutd4eva
He might have downloaded the other games like me.:p ;)

.....or is really lieing.:kader:

I don't think he has your brains to be able to figure out how to d/l them!

I think Euro 2004 seems faster paced than FIFA 2004. But I think the FIFA series would be alot better if the guys that make the other EA Sports games would make. You may say what do they know about soccer? But I guarantee you they could do better than the guys that make FIFA. Plus look all other EA Sports games have create-a-player and an indepth career mode. I think Euro 2004 is a step up from FIFA 2004 but they are progressing too slow compared to EA's other titles IMO.....

Originally posted by wabberXP
I'm with you..
I believe EA is doing great job with this great game.
I expect the full version to be even greater.
I have both GC and PS2, and i was thinking about selling my PS2 because i only play WE with it and nothing else.
but now, I have to keep it so that i can play Euro 2004, since it's not released on GC.

demo is part of the full version. they just take part of the code, make it as demo. in term of gameplay and graphics, 99% there is same with demo. so, easy word...there is nothing much greater than demo..

in a demo, you can't feel the real enjoyment, you can't do that much. it lets you decide whether to buy it or not, though. but playing with the same 2 teams over and over, only 1 half of the match, no full cinematics or celebrations, can't change the formation, tactics, can't make subtitutions, no commentators, can't "FEEL" Euro 2004 until you really experience it, which is obviously through Euro 2004 mode. and then the other modes come, fantasy mode, where joining all the big stars together, situation mode, where you challenge yourself..etc.
the demo just gives you a "hint" on what you're gonna buy, and THIS TIME it's different because this game has a lot of "all new" stuff, which are represented for the first time. It only shows the graphics ( some people don't have a good graphic card so they can't really enjoy them until they buy it on console ), and the gameplay, which is pretty good !!
ok ngyc ?? :p I hope you get my point now ;)

Originally posted by LilPlayaJosh
I think Euro 2004 seems faster paced than FIFA 2004. But I think the FIFA series would be alot better if the guys that make the other EA Sports games would make. You may say what do they know about soccer? But I guarantee you they could do better than the guys that make FIFA. Plus look all other EA Sports games have create-a-player and an indepth career mode. I think Euro 2004 is a step up from FIFA 2004 but they are progressing too slow compared to EA's other titles IMO.....

Spot on!

Originally posted by TristanAbbott7
You do of course realise that in one sentence you say you've had all the other FIFAs and moved onto PES and then later on in the same post you say you're about to buy your first ever soccer game!!!!!

As they probably say in the elementary school playground to you in recess "liar, liar, pants on fire!"

1st of all, I didnt buy NONE of them, I downloaded them all, ALL ... and Euro 2004 will be my 1st game that I will buy, so now since I made a total tool out of you why dont you shut the fack up ? loser.

Originally posted by TristanAbbott7
I don't think he has your brains to be able to figure out how to d/l them!

I have access to deviance 0-day ftp, so how about you suck my cock :D
TristanAbbott7 its funny how you think you know everything yet you dont know squat, sad sad little boy.

Originally posted by wabberXP
...but playing with the same 2 teams over and over...

Not 2 teams, pally... 3. This is one of the two best things EA has done for a Fifa demo in some time. I downloaded the Eng/Fra demo and was pleasantly surprised to find that I could play as Portugal as well. (<-- or --> at the team selection screen)

Good thing #1 - 3 teams.
Good thing #2 - Play again without starting the demo all over again.

Cheers.

Originally posted by Thierry__Henry
1st of all, I didnt buy NONE of them, I downloaded them all, ALL ... and Euro 2004 will be my 1st game that I will buy, so now since I made a total tool out of you why dont you shut the fack up ? loser.


Oh dear, fell into that trap didn't you? I'd go read the rules on warez talk again if I were you!

Plus, the fact that even you haven't thought they were worth buying doesn't exactly promote the product very well.

Oh well, nice try at covering up your BS and thanks for the offer but I'm not gay. You need to find another forum for other males to take you up on that offer! Queerboy.

bye bye Thierry Henry

warez boy

Originally posted by LilPlayaJosh
I think Euro 2004 seems faster paced than FIFA 2004. But I think the FIFA series would be alot better if the guys that make the other EA Sports games would make. You may say what do they know about soccer? But I guarantee you they could do better than the guys that make FIFA. Plus look all other EA Sports games have create-a-player and an indepth career mode. I think Euro 2004 is a step up from FIFA 2004 but they are progressing too slow compared to EA's other titles IMO.....

EA staff members are constantly moving from one team to another to keep teams "fresh". You will find that many members of the FIFA team have worked on other big title EA Sports games in the past.

So what you're saying actually is happening.

And we can't really compare NBA and Madden games to FIFA. Simply because NBA and Madden concentrate on one league. FIFA has over 16, plus National teams. It all comes down to timing and what can be done in the allocated time frame. I am of course not ruling out EA ever including any of the awesome features we see in other EA Sports games in FIFA, I'm simply explaining why we haven't seen them in recent FIFA's.

hey thierry henry. what adapter are you using to connect a ps2 controller to a pc. i would love to have one ... need to know which one is the best and is working with uefa 2004 !! thnx

Originally posted by AcillateM
bye bye Thierry Henry

warez boy

Why? He not posted any link to warez... and he didn't asked for any crack. Stop being hipocrit people... Tell me how many of you bought PES 3? :crazyboy:

ok guys, how about you stop it with the warez references and the insults? please. we dont need that here.

Hi m8s...

First of all, pls relax all of you. Some of u may like PES some of u may like FIFA - like me. You do not have to fight over this like enemies...

...Nobody can disagree with me - I think so - when I will say that both games EURO 2004 and PES3 can be impoved - and if you disagree with me pls let me know...

Now as far as goes for the new EURO 2004 I have to say that I am a big fan of FIFA 2004 and the new game looks even better. I am very happy now that I have new skills on freestyle, that I have new and better goalies, that the AI is much better, that I can lob or feint a shoot e.t.c...

I can't wait to see the game in PS2...

Take care and relax... It is only games...

Neo...

The cycle continues. Seriously check the FIFA 2002, 2003, 2004 forums?

"FIFA is better than PES" for the 1st couple of weeks then after that the repeativness settles in like it is doing so right now. Then you get pissed off at FIFA and start these gameplay patches and make long posts on how FIFA can become better than PES. Then you all just give up and admit PES is too good and continue with little pety patches.

Think I am liaring? Check the forums for yourself.

I call it ... the circle of life :ewan:



But it whatever floats your boat and people have prefenence's but it is just something I have noticed during my time at these forums :)

Originally posted by Rob
The cycle continues. Seriously check the FIFA 2002, 2003, 2004 forums?

"FIFA is better than PES" for the 1st couple of weeks then after that the repeativness settles in like it is doing so right now. Then you get pissed off at FIFA and start these gameplay patches and make long posts on how FIFA can become better than PES. Then you all just give up and admit PES is too good and continue with little pety patches.

Think I am liaring? Check the forums for yourself.

I call it ... the circle of life :ewan:



But it whatever floats your boat and people have prefenence's but it is just something I have noticed during my time at these forums :)

finaly some decent post totally agree

Originally posted by Thierry__Henry
I have access to deviance 0-day ftp, so how about you suck my cock :D
TristanAbbott7 its funny how you think you know everything yet you dont know squat, sad sad little boy.

If you think he knows nothing then you should really check out what he's done for the PES3/WE7i community, what have YOU done? Except being proud to leech games!?

I think Euro2004 is better than Fifa2004 but didn't whooped Konami. very far from that. I continue to see stupid errors in EA's game especially about portuguese data (and we are the host country!), totally wrong appearances of the players (p.ferreira blond, maniche blond, ricardo blond...), bad researching (sergio conceição in the line up?!).., portugal completely under-rated...
About the game itself i think it's better. The ball physics improved, the players movements look more like humans and not robots, but the faces i don't like. In PES they have movement (even the hair moves) in Euro2004 they look like an implant in the players body. EA must improve a lot to reach Konami level.

How are the teeth boys ? Have EA "enhanced" them again ? With a new dental shinny effect maybe ?

LOL Bicycle Kicks and DIving headers are put back into a FIFA game after being left out of 2004. PA-***IN-ETIC

Originally posted by adevrij
hey thierry henry. what adapter are you using to connect a ps2 controller to a pc. i would love to have one ... need to know which one is the best and is working with uefa 2004 !! thnx

I bought it online, for 5 dollars, works great, didnt have to modify anything :), about the brand I have no clue.

Let me tell you stuff about PES that makes it totall unreal:
Players and their monkey stance
Ball physics is totally unreal, it feels like they are playing in space, feels like the ball is floating.
The kicks (and free kicks) are stupid ass hell, you press the button slightly and the ball flies god knows where.
The graphics are cartoonish, I feel like im playing GBA.
The game play dont feel real, its just like the ball, I feel like im playing in space.
There is alot more stuff, Im just too lazy to write it.

Originally posted by Hans
How are the teeth boys ? Have EA "enhanced" them again ? With a new dental shinny effect maybe ?

Can't see much teeth to be honest. If Ronaldo was in the game then maybe I could answer your question.:( :p (H)

Originally posted by Bummy_JaB
LOL Bicycle Kicks and DIving headers are put back into a FIFA game after being left out of 2004. PA-***IN-ETIC


I know what you mean, but it's not like all you have to do is cross in a ball, double tap shoot and do an over head kick that 98% time scores. It's much harder...

Originally posted by Thierry__Henry
Let me tell you stuff about PES that makes it totall unreal:
Players and their monkey stance
Ball physics is totally unreal, it feels like they are playing in space, feels like the ball is floating.
The kicks (and free kicks) are stupid ass hell, you press the button slightly and the ball flies god knows where.
The graphics are cartoonish, I feel like im playing GBA.
The game play dont feel real, its just like the ball, I feel like im playing in space.
There is alot more stuff, Im just too lazy to write it.


Yet further proof that you've never played the game in your life. Or wait, maybe only you out of all the other FIFA fans have noticed this in the last few years! Even the hardcore FIFA fans who have actually played PES/WE but stuck with FIFA haven't come up with BS like that before! Your comment about the ball physics proves without any doubt whatsoever you probably haven't even watched anybody play it let alone played it yourself.

I've just played a 45 minute half with France and I've yet to take a freekick, and no fouls against me.:|

Same crap all over again.

Originally posted by Thierry__Henry
Let me tell you stuff about PES that makes it totall unreal:
Players and their monkey stance
Ball physics is totally unreal, it feels like they are playing in space, feels like the ball is floating.
The kicks (and free kicks) are stupid ass hell, you press the button slightly and the ball flies god knows where.
The graphics are cartoonish, I feel like im playing GBA.
The game play dont feel real, its just like the ball, I feel like im playing in space.
There is alot more stuff, Im just too lazy to write it.


pretty obvious youve never actually played the game...or simply dont know a thing about football...i was a fifa fan all my life...since crappy commodore 64 days.......i played we7/pes for the 1st time and never looked back...know why?...because it is the only game that actually attempts to make a soccer simulation..not just a easy to play POS for kids and the mass market....in fact on g4tv/g4tv.com we7/pes/iss was rated the top sports game of all time for europe..and 7th best all time for usa.....fifa was not even mentioned except for interviews where actual game programmers and football fans stated.."fifa doesnt even come close"..."in fifa the goals are repetitive and simple..in we7/pes/iss it is almost impossible to recreate a goal like in real life"......"the ball physics are the most realistic ive ever seen"....."players actually play liek they do on the pitch unlike fifa"..these are words uttered by game programmers not my opinions at all...silly comments as made by mr thierry henry on these forums just make all of you fifa fans look bad...he opens his mouth without thinking but that is to be expected...just as he said.."im on a deviance 0day site"..yet as i idle with some dev members on irc right now.....none of them know who this clown seems to be...but then anyone who utters they are on some group's site on a public forum just simply is a liar as scene rules prohibit advertising of this matter and dev would never let a lamer like this on one of their private topsites....he is probably got access to some lame dump or fxp boards latest crap..i'd hardly call that a dev site moron...and go play the game before you talk next time...simply pathetic....

Yea I did, I have it, but I installed it because its silly and not even close to real football.
But whatever, play whatever you want, the fact is that Euro 2004 whooped PES 3.

Originally posted by khseol
i played we7/pes for the 1st time and never looked back...know why

Because you have no clue what soccer is, thats why. :rolleyes:
Silly child.

Hey everyone, let's just ignore that ignorant kid, maybe he'll just go away. :)

Yea, ignore the truth fan boy, your just a simple moron like the rest of Konami fan boys.

Originally posted by Thierry__Henry

But whatever, play whatever you want, the fact is that Euro 2004 whooped PES 3.

the fact??! it's your opinion not a fact...

Originally posted by Thierry__Henry
Let me tell you stuff about PES that makes it totall unreal:
Players and their monkey stance
Ball physics is totally unreal, it feels like they are playing in space, feels like the ball is floating.
The kicks (and free kicks) are stupid ass hell, you press the button slightly and the ball flies god knows where.
The graphics are cartoonish, I feel like im playing GBA.
The game play dont feel real, its just like the ball, I feel like im playing in space.
There is alot more stuff, Im just too lazy to write it.

all i can say is LLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

please leave this guy its useless

Hi m8s again...

I would like to ask this to all PES3 players... Besides FIFA 2004 or EURO 2004 you think that there is not any room for improvements in PES3? There is no comment on my previous post about this...

I can easily point a few things that concern the gameplay, the presentation of the game e.t.c.

For example...

...I played for hours against the AI on levels 3,4,5 - against good teams. The AI shot a total of 50-70 fouls - around. It scored once, my keeper stopped the ball once or twice and the rest of the shots went out - or far out. I do not think that this is much realistic. To be honest when I was in a difficult case I could make a foul close to my post and then I had the ball for a free throw - since the ball went out...

If you want I can point more wrong cases in PES3, so I would like to hear your opinion about my post...

Take care...

Neo...

This thread will be closed down soon because there have been things said AGAINST ea and fifa, Matt won't stand for that now will he? :crazyboy: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by neo_com_3
Hi m8s again...

I would like to ask this to all PES3 players... Besides FIFA 2004 or EURO 2004 you think that there is not any room for improvements in PES3? There is no comment on my previous post about this...

I can easily point a few things that concern the gameplay, the presentation of the game e.t.c.

For example...

...I played for hours against the AI on levels 3,4,5 - against good teams. The AI shot a total of 50-70 fouls - around. It scored once, my keeper stopped the ball once or twice and the rest of the shots went out - or far out. I do not think that this is much realistic. To be honest when I was in a difficult case I could make a foul close to my post and then I had the ball for a free throw - since the ball went out...

If you want I can point more wrong cases in PES3, so I would like to hear your opinion about my post...

Take care...

Neo...

I do think that PES and WE have there problems, its not the perfect game but it is the best soccer game out there compared to others. Things i dont like in PES WE are the fouls, the ref, the keeper, and thats about it. Oh and of course the licensing but snece we have kit maker in the WE PES fourms that not much of a problem anymore. Konami have said they are improving this thou to make the game perfect. I will admit that Fifa are get better but they are still miles away from Konami games.
:) This is my opinion.

Originally posted by Thierry__Henry
1st of all, I didnt buy NONE of them, I downloaded them all, ALL
Originally posted by Thierry__Henry
I have access to deviance 0-day ftp

I believe thats worth a red card.

Euro 2004 is a small step up from FIFA 2004, but it is still nothing to PES3/WE7.

I wanna play PES.:f***: :f***: :f***:

.......but, I need a new computer, donations anybody?:$:p (H)

:crazyboy:

Originally posted by Dazmania
This thread will be closed down soon because there have been things said AGAINST ea and fifa, Matt won't stand for that now will he? :crazyboy: :rolleyes:

Yes I will.

Threads never get closed that have quality contructive criticism in them. If threads are just going to become FIFA vs PES threads (the most over used topic in any soccer games forum) then they will get closed due to the fact they are repeatitive.

I have WE7i and FIFA 04. I love all EA Sports games so I want FIFA to be better than WE, but its just not as good right now. I think the main reason WE is better is because it has a better flow during play. We all know FIFA is ahead in cinematics, cutscenes and graphics but actually playing I must say FIFA isnt as good. But the only things that I really dont like about FIFA is how on PS2 it is so easy to steal the ball by pressing O(conservative tackle) and its easy to get the ball stolen. And then of course the speed of the players are not represented like it says they are rated. for example if Henry is one on one with a defender with 80 speed I should be able to run by him more easily. But besides this I love FIFA. I love WE to they are both good games in they're own ways. Oh yeah and I forgot one more thing I hate, those nets are like brick walls come one FIFA....

We are not talking about Fifa, we are talking about Euro 2004 which is alot better then Fifa 2004 is, so get your **** right before you talk.

Originally posted by Thierry__Henry
We are not talking about Fifa, we are talking about Euro 2004 which is alot better then Fifa 2004 is, so get your **** right before you talk.


If you read what I said I said I like FIFA. I was talking about the FIFA series And Euro 04 is not much different atleast in the demo so you shut the hell up. Its people like you thats why FIFA doesnt get much better every year. You have to let the creaters know when something sux... I want EA to rule the soccer gaming industry....

Its kind of hard to say whos right..... On one hand, euro 2004 is much better than fifa 2004 (and we haven't even looked into the management portion of it) on the other hand, it has the same gameplay engine, some of the same few bugs, and sort of the same feal. I still think that it is better though.

The reason FIFA doesn't get any better each year yet people still buy it is the same reason lions don't starve in the jungle! There's always a constant supply of dumb animals to come along to provide a meal!

Euro 2004- Improvement on Fifa 2004, but far from touching PES series

Good things about Euro 2k4 V Fifa 2k4

- They improved the dribbling system, its possible to beat players now
- Long shots fixed- you can't just score em by blasting em form the edge of the area
- Pacing of the play is more true to life than FIFA
- Corner & Free Kick System refined- its no longer possible to just pick the right options and guarantee a goal
-Off The Ball system refined- it no longer provides those laser guided passes, more natural.

Why Euro 2004 is worse than PES

- The passing system is HORRIBLE, often you'll be pushing the diagonal keys to get a diagonal pass, but it'll go straight OR you'll tap W and it'll go a mile. Still too clunky, the passing system in PES feels smoother
- Dribbling I- I'm not a fan of the "freestyle" system used in FIFA, basically cos it doesn't provide the variation that the dribbling system in PES does. In PES, the tiniest touches on the ball make a difference, in FIFA it just feels like theres very lil natural variation in the way the ball moves.
- Dribbling II- the "skill moves" are a nice addition...BUT when the player turns on the ball its the same thing each and every time. Its too scripted. You push shift, he nutties or jinks. In PES when you're beating players its more about using your touches on the ball to beat the defender...theres more of a natural feel to it
- Animations- player passing looks...wrong. It just doesn't look right. Shooting...same thing, players go for weird volleys and strange side foot shots and it doesn't look very natural. Its SMOOTHER than PES, but PES animations and mechanics look more realistic.
-Keepers- the keepers in FIFA are just too good, they're like lightning off the line, and claim crosses and get to the feet of player too well.
- FIFA feels scripted, you know if you do certain moves/patterns then you can either beat players of be guaranteed a goal- hence it gets repetitive

Thats just my take on it

again, WE/PES graphics and animation are 10x better than FIFA... Has been proven many times in various boards.. If you think FIFA's better than you obviously haven't played WE/PES

sounds terrific i really thought 1 thing that lacked in fifa 04 was the ai it was far too easy even on world class but this sounds perfect well done ea!!!

Hi there again...

Another problem of PES 3 is that you can 't "ask" from a player that does not have the ball to run forward - even if you do not give him the ball. This is something that is happening all the time in real soccer and I do not see it in PES 3. I try to change my tactics by pointing arrows to my wing players but nothing happend again. The player that is going to make this move will also drag a deffender with him, so you will have more space in case you take the decision to attact by yourself...

Let me know your opiniom about this... I also did not hear your remarks about what I said for the fouls on PES 3...

See you...

Neo...

Tried the New Euro 2004, not bad, but still feels like pinball.

Still find passes are way too fast, its like you are shooting (not passing) the ball from one player to another.

Shooting, free kicks, clearances always seem to be hit with maximum strenth.

Game plays way too fast.

Passing doesnt always go in the direction you want to.

Still very hard to do quick one, two, three passes to get through a defence, or even build a real attack.

There are quite a few things I found annoying with this game. I really do hope EA can eventually get a game that does become challenging. The groundwork is there, they just cant seem to implement that feeling of random gameplay, it all still does feel scripted.

Will definately give the full version a go, but hopefully they can produce a bigger leap by Fifa 2005.

Regards
Sken

Originally posted by neo_com_3
Hi there again...

Another problem of PES 3 is that you can 't "ask" from a player that does not have the ball to run forward - even if you do not give him the ball. This is something that is happening all the time in real soccer and I do not see it in PES 3. I try to change my tactics by pointing arrows to my wing players but nothing happend again. The player that is going to make this move will also drag a deffender with him, so you will have more space in case you take the decision to attact by yourself...

Let me know your opiniom about this... I also did not hear your remarks about what I said for the fouls on PES 3...

See you...

Neo...

Well actually if you go to the PES WE fourm i think Han or someone else ( a master at PES WE ) made a thread a while ago on how to make players run forward that do no have the ball, i dont know how to do it yet but if you go there and ask or search for it then you can find it. Im still learing new stuff in this game so i havnt masterd it yet becuase there is just so many things that you can do in this game.

I couldnt really understand your other post cuz you said The AI shot a total of 50-70 fouls - around. It scored once are you saying it fouled you 50-70 times and that it only scored once!?:confused:

So far i have not experienced this problem when i play aginst the computer, my maches are very close like 1-0 2-0 or 2-1, like that. Also they dont foul me as much as your saying I only get like maybe 10 fouls at most a match which is pretty good, and when they take shots then only get like 7 shots max cuz im pretty good at defense but bad at offense in this game.:)

[i]I couldnt really understand your other post cuz you said The AI shot a total of 50-70 fouls - around. It scored once are you saying it fouled you 50-70 times and that it only scored once!?:confused:[/B]

I would like to apologize for my English... Can I use Greeks? hahaha... ok that was a joke...

Well, I meant this...

I played in PES3 20-30 games against the computer on levels 3,4,5 - against good teams. The computer shot 50-70 fouls - around - against my post, cause it was in good scoring position, close to my post. The computer scored once, only one goal from a freekick. My keeper stopped the ball once or twice. The rest of the shots went out - or far out - from my post...

I do not think that this is much realistic. To be honest when I was in a difficult case I could make a foul close to my post and then I had the ball for a free throw - since the ball went out...

I also think that in PES3 there is no way to ask your teamate to run forward unless you pass him the ball in the open space. Let 's say that I control my mid player and I see my def teamate in front of me in a good position to start running so I can pass him for a good cross. I do not want to pass the ball in the open space. I want him to run, and I will pass him the ball when I think that it is the right time. I do not think that this is possible in PES3 and this is something that is happening all the time in real soccer...

Hope to hear from you...

Neo...

To do a give and go pass you hold down L1 and press X to pass. The player will pass and make a run. Of course YOU have the option of passing it back in front so he can run to it or you can keep the ball and do whatever you want. This is for WE7/WE7I/Pes3


Other than that I have not found a way of making a player run.

The Euro 2004 trailer video looks awesome though...

Originally posted by neo_com_3
I also think that in PES3 there is no way to ask your teamate to run forward unless you pass him the ball in the open space. Let 's say that I control my mid player and I see my def teamate in front of me in a good position to start running so I can pass him for a good cross. I do not want to pass the ball in the open space. I want him to run, and I will pass him the ball when I think that it is the right time. I do not think that this is possible in PES3 and this is something that is happening all the time in real soccer...

Hope to hear from you...

Neo...

Try playing around with the tactics and strategies in the team management.

why do i have to change everything "BEFORE" I play, like in PES or WE. you have to change the formation, tactics, subtituting players, make this one run, make that one go back !!
I play a soccer game to play soccer, not to spend my time thinking about strategies and tactics..
I'm not saying this is not good, but in FIFA 2004 and Euro 2004 you can do these things during the game. you control more than 1 player... set the formation, choose your line-up, and that's it !
the rest comes during the game, which depends totally on your skills in how to use these features ( OTB, run, calling a defender..etc)
I'm a FIFA fan, and I bought a PS2 console ONLY to play WE7i.. WE7i is obviously better than FIFA 2004, but you can't say it's better than Euro 2004. each game has its advantages and disadvantages.

Originally posted by pronewbie
again, WE/PES graphics and animation are 10x better than FIFA

Not only your blind your also stupid :rolleyes:
Even Fifa 2004 graphics are 1000x better then the cartoon pictures PES/WE uses, not to mention Euro 2004.

Originally posted by wabberXP
why do i have to change everything "BEFORE" I play, like in PES or WE. you have to change the formation, tactics, subtituting players, make this one run, make that one go back !!
I play a soccer game to play soccer, not to spend my time thinking about strategies and tactics..
I'm not saying this is not good, but in FIFA 2004 and Euro 2004 you can do these things during the game. you control more than 1 player... set the formation, choose your line-up, and that's it !
the rest comes during the game, which depends totally on your skills in how to use these features ( OTB, run, calling a defender..etc)
I'm a FIFA fan, and I bought a PS2 console ONLY to play WE7i.. WE7i is obviously better than FIFA 2004, but you can't say it's better than Euro 2004. each game has its advantages and disadvantages.

Ignore them man, Euro 2004 is far superior to PES3, but they dont want to face the facts since they enjoy having konamis dick up their asses.
Not only that they wouldnt a soccer game if it hit them in the face.
And I totally agree with you.

Originally posted by wabberXP
why do i have to change everything "BEFORE" I play, like in PES or WE. you have to change the formation, tactics, subtituting players, make this one run, make that one go back !!
I play a soccer game to play soccer, not to spend my time thinking about strategies and tactics..
I'm not saying this is not good, but in FIFA 2004 and Euro 2004 you can do these things during the game. you control more than 1 player... set the formation, choose your line-up, and that's it !
the rest comes during the game, which depends totally on your skills in how to use these features ( OTB, run, calling a defender..etc)
I'm a FIFA fan, and I bought a PS2 console ONLY to play WE7i.. WE7i is obviously better than FIFA 2004, but you can't say it's better than Euro 2004. each game has its advantages and disadvantages.

I guess you prefer what EA has come up with, I respect that.

Personally.. I don't set those stuff usually (for fifa and we7i) against the computer (unless i can't beat them many times) but in we7i I really need to against real people or I will lose.. I'll set this defender to mark this good striker aggressively, the other mark the other striker normally. When the team don't seem to be playing well, change the captain will improve it. Plus the stats of the each player is simply overwhelming.. and they each stat makes a difference.

Euro 2k4 has its advantages, but WE7I has so much more. If you haven played the game with another friend yet, I urge you to do so. ;)

I like Euro2k4 improvements but can't stand the golf-like freekicks and preset corners. The stats are okay...... so i'd still skip this version and wait for fifa 2005 which is near.

Originally posted by Thierry__Henry
Ignore them man, Euro 2004 is far superior to PES3, but they dont want to face the facts since they enjoy having konamis dick up their asses.
Not only that they wouldnt a soccer game if it hit them in the face.
And I totally agree with you.

The mods are very lenient toward you for all of your cuzz words because you are bashing KONAMI which is OK in their book. Anyone else would at least gotten a red or yellow card for those words. Using profanities to win an argument a resort for a desperate person.
Read this article and tell me if Euro 2004 is better than PES/WE. Even a senior marketing executive from EA said that Euro 2004 is NOT a PES beater.


Euro 2004 Preview (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/previews/previews_story.php(que)id=103093)


UEFA EURO 2004

PC

Electronic Arts

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Sports



10 Apr 04 You know the form by now: a new FIFA game every year and a 'special' one every other year for either the World Cup or the European Championships. Naturally, it's the latter that concerns us here, as Europe's finest (and Latvia) gear up for the impending festivities in Portugal. Some epic battles are expected, and pundits are also hoping for a couple of decent football matches. While the TV screens will inevitably be filled with drunken pondlife spitting hate in Hackett, Burberry and Clone Island, UEFA Euro 2004 will eschew the garden furniture and water cannon in favour of the football.
From the same Canadian stable as the absurdly successful FIFA games, a separate 30-strong development team has put Euro 2004 together, presumably leaving the rest of the robots to concentrate on FIFA 2005. To claim that it's a wholly different game would be a lie though, as this is simply FIFA 2004 six months down the line with a Euro flavour.


FOOT IN MOUTH
Clearly aimed at the mass market, EA is happy to admit that it's attempting to ensnare Euro-crazed football fans. In a somewhat Ratner-esque statement, a senior marketing executive openly proclaimed: "I want to be honest with you and say that this game is not going to be a PES-beater - it's not even going to necessarily be a FIFA-beater." As for the good news, it promises to be "the deepest event-product we've ever brought to release", the idea being that once you've seen the match and got the shirt, you buy the game.

To that end, it will replicate the Euro 2004 experience in extreme detail. It's not just about the final stages in Portugal, as the Euro Coach mode will enable you to take charge of any of the 51 nations that took part in the qualifying campaign and steer them towards the promised land. Over a maximum of 29 games, this will cover friendlies, qualifiers and hopefully the finals themselves. During the 18-month campaign, squads can be selected from 40 or so players, although injuries, personal issues and even club versus country rows will impact on their availability.


IT'S NOT IN THE GAME
On the pitch, EA is claiming upwards of ten new context-sensitive skill moves, including nutmegs and Ron Atkinson's perennial favourite, the lollipop. Throw in fake shots, diving headers, bicycle kicks, chip shots and a new crossing model, and you could be forgiven for thinking that it sounds like a more arcadey experience. However, our extensive playtest of the alpha code proved otherwise, and it seemed to be little more than a slightly slicker version of the previous FIFA.

Of course, Euro 2004 will also have an online mode, as with previous FIFA titles, featuring various multiplayer options for you to thrash. Hopefully, the slew of new game modes will ensure Euro 2004 is worth checking out - and while there's no doubting the authenticity of the game, we can only hope the boys get it right on the pitch come this summer.

yep mods are acting very lenient with this guy.

I wonder why KONAMI don't put the referee in the field during games... it's weird no? The referee should be there or they don't want to put it in so they can write less code and one more object to interact with the environement...?! :crazyboy:

ps2 resorces are limited. anyway its just a detail

Originally posted by neo_com_3
I would like to apologize for my English... Can I use Greeks? hahaha... ok that was a joke...

Well, I meant this...

I played in PES3 20-30 games against the computer on levels 3,4,5 - against good teams. The computer shot 50-70 fouls - around - against my post, cause it was in good scoring position, close to my post. The computer scored once, only one goal from a freekick. My keeper stopped the ball once or twice. The rest of the shots went out - or far out - from my post...

I do not think that this is much realistic. To be honest when I was in a difficult case I could make a foul close to my post and then I had the ball for a free throw - since the ball went out...

I also think that in PES3 there is no way to ask your teamate to run forward unless you pass him the ball in the open space. Let 's say that I control my mid player and I see my def teamate in front of me in a good position to start running so I can pass him for a good cross. I do not want to pass the ball in the open space. I want him to run, and I will pass him the ball when I think that it is the right time. I do not think that this is possible in PES3 and this is something that is happening all the time in real soccer...

Hope to hear from you...

Neo...

Ok its better to understand you now:crazyboy:

First off which game are you playing PES 3 or WE7I!? Cuz WE is better t hen PES 3, it has less handballs, less fouls, better passes, better shots, and some other stuff so you should really check out WE7I.

Also like i said about telling players on how to run there is thread about it and here is the link http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?threadid=90163 Hope that helps he wrote out a very good explanation.

Anyways as i have said before in my matches aginst the computers they usually get like 10 shots max if that, i can play defense good in this game. It really depends on what tactic you play as it does in real life as well.

http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?threadid=95738&highlight=How+to+make+players+runs Heres another thread with a viedo and he talks about it more indepth inthere. Hope these help you

:)

Also to the guy asking why there is not a ref, its becuase Konami have said it would take too much power to have a ref on the filed at all times running and all.:)

Why is this Thread even here???????? Shouldn't it be in Iss/pes/WE7 vs Fifa????????

God as soon as you see a thread like this in a dumb phukin Fifi forum you see it get moved immediatley.

Originally posted by Bummy_JaB
Why is this Thread even here???????? Shouldn't it be in Iss/pes/WE7 vs Fifa????????

i was just wondering

This is NOT Euro 2004 vs WE/PES, an idiot named WOLF or whatever turned it into that.

Hi there m8s...

I see that you have difficulties giving me an answer on what I said before for PES3, which is normal because I think that both games - FIFA & PES - are having disavantages...

to TottiNZidaneR#1 : As I said on my post, I am playing PES3 on PC. The tactics does not work as the mate says, so clear - I am reffering to the link you send me. And even so, if you want to make a player run when he is not on the right position of the team - you may have in a situation Thuram who is CB Def in a good position on Attact - it is not possible cause the man is not on the right position of the team strategy - which is not like this in real life...

to Killua : Pls read what I said to TottiNZidaneR#1 for tactics...

There are other thing that concern the improvment of the game. I really do not care about licensees and names but I think that in Konami they can improve the graphics and the frame rate - which is below EA in my opinion. I also would like to see more combos in "freestyle" - I mean something like this....

http://www.frutsel.terrainhost.com/frutselapp/dump/neo/freestyle2.wmv

... I also believe that EA had a problem on "freestyle" in FIFA 2004 but I played the demo of EURO 2004 and I see a big improvment. Still I want to play the game in the final format in PS2 to have a complete opinion...

Hope to hear from you...

Neo...

Dont waste your keystrokes on those morons, they dont care, they are blinded by the cartoons.

What i find interesting is that i see so many people saying 'I was a FIFA fan then i saw the light' or 'Converted instantly from FIFA to PES'. Me being one example here. BUT you don't see many people switching from PES to FIFA. Never seen one. :confused:

PES/WE7i are better than EA's FIFA series..
HOWEVER, EA is walking with huge steps in the right direction.
if they already started working on FIFA 2005 by just editing Euro 2004 and improving it by providing better gameplay, JUST focus on gameplay. work this year only to improve the gameplay. NO NEED to create a new game engine.. EA, you can simply improve the current one ( euro 2004's engine ). you have the whole year to do the job. we can wait ! you don't have to release the game on november! it's ok to release it on january 2005. so you have the time to remove the bugs and make the best game ever!
I don't understand why you guys have to create a new game engine every single year! you won't come up with any improvements. well, you created FIFA 2004's engine, what about working on the same engine ?? you know what the bugs are and what should be improved. OK, don't release FIFA 2005!! we can play Euro 2004 until late 2005, when you will release FIFA 2006. so working for two years would be enough time to release a PERFECT game. again, WE CAN WAIT. EA, you just need time and a little "soccer thinking". just sit back, relax, and think, why things are missing in Euro 2004 ?? except more teams/leagues..etc.
NOW is time to seriously think about improving your GAMEPLAY. just FOCUS on gameplay for the whole next two years. I swear you'll do a great job !

Why don`t you FIF-UCK fanboys put your comments on this EA`s official comments about their Euro 2004 before dissing off PES :
Here is what the top guy at EA said, right out of his own words

FOOT IN MOUTH
Clearly aimed at the mass market, EA is happy to admit that it's attempting to ensnare Euro-crazed football fans. In a somewhat Ratner-esque statement, a senior marketing executive openly proclaimed: "I want to be honest with you and say that this game is not going to be a PES-beater - it's not even going to necessarily be a FIFA-beater."

If you don`t believe it`s comin` from an EA guy then click .THIS LINK (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/previews/previews_story.php(que)id=103093)

I`ve seen someone posted this link, but none of you replied in a mature manner way beside slaggin` him off and continue with your verbal abuse assault. I don`t know, maybe because none of you got the brain and the attitude to dispute in a mannered way or your childish brain can`t handle logical debate . . .

Originally posted by neo_com_3
Hi there m8s...

I see that you have difficulties giving me an answer on what I said before for PES3, which is normal because I think that both games - FIFA & PES - are having disavantages...

to TottiNZidaneR#1 : As I said on my post, I am playing PES3 on PC. The tactics does not work as the mate says, so clear - I am reffering to the link you send me. And even so, if you want to make a player run when he is not on the right position of the team - you may have in a situation Thuram who is CB Def in a good position on Attact - it is not possible cause the man is not on the right position of the team strategy - which is not like this in real life...

to Killua : Pls read what I said to TottiNZidaneR#1 for tactics...

There are other thing that concern the improvment of the game. I really do not care about licensees and names but I think that in Konami they can improve the graphics and the frame rate - which is below EA in my opinion. I also would like to see more combos in "freestyle" - I mean something like this....

http://www.frutsel.terrainhost.com/frutselapp/dump/neo/freestyle2.wmv

... I also believe that EA had a problem on "freestyle" in FIFA 2004 but I played the demo of EURO 2004 and I see a big improvment. Still I want to play the game in the final format in PS2 to have a complete opinion...

Hope to hear from you...

Neo...

to Hans - who said "...maybe because none of you got the brain and the attitude to dispute in a mannered way or your childish brain can`t handle logical debate..." : Since you have the brain and the correct attitude - unlike us the FIF-**** fans - can you please give answers to my questions above - not able to control more than one players, not able to make runs without throwing the ball first, the fouls that the AI shoots against you are not real e.t.c.?

Hope to hear your answer...

Neo...

Originally posted by neo_com_3
to Hans - who said "...maybe because none of you got the brain and the attitude to dispute in a mannered way or your childish brain can`t handle logical debate..." : Since you have the brain and the correct attitude - unlike us the FIF-**** fans - can you please give answers to my questions above - not able to control more than one players, not able to make runs without throwing the ball first, the fouls that the AI shoots against you are not real e.t.c.?

Hope to hear your answer...

Neo...
The only reason I called the kind of you FI**** fanboys simply because all of you started callin` me and PES fans names and insults everytime we have our tought about PES being better than FIFA. And that official EA statement tells the truth about who`s right. We never attacked any FIFA fan personally but all of you seems to lost control and insultin` us everytime we have any critics to your beloved developer, EA. What are you guys ? People who loves lookin` at EA`s logo and thinks that is so sexy, you masturbates all over it ?

Originally posted by Thierry__Henry
This is NOT Euro 2004 vs WE/PES, an idiot named WOLF or whatever turned it into that.


I know you're a little retarded but don't you think the original thread title "Finally EA whooped Konami" kinda made it that?

I've actually stopped replying to you now because you make far too many references to gay sex which leads many of us to believe you're actually cruising for some a$$ rather than actually debating soccer games. Your inability to actually discuss merits of either game (plus the fact even the hardcore FIFA fans on here know you're a liar) and profanity everytime you can't think of a word make discussion with you similar to a retarded person with extreme torettes syndrome!

Originally posted by Van
Hurrah Thierry__Henry got banned

but for the wrong reasons... sig stealer? it should be Pest or Trouble maker...etc

Or Being a retard......

Anyways, we got little off topic here;) :confused:

Originally posted by Hans
The only reason I called the kind of you FI**** fanboys simply because all of you started callin` me and PES fans names and insults everytime we have our tought about PES being better than FIFA. And that official EA statement tells the truth about who`s right. We never attacked any FIFA fan personally but all of you seems to lost control and insultin` us everytime we have any critics to your beloved developer, EA. What are you guys ? People who loves lookin` at EA`s logo and thinks that is so sexy, you masturbates all over it ?

...can you tell me when I "NEO" insulted you in person???

...still no answer to my questions... - cause there is not one...

Neo..

Originally posted by neo_com_3
...can you tell me when I "NEO" insulted you in person???

...still no answer to my questions... - cause there is not one...

Neo..
Sorry for that "you" word, I didn`t mean that. It was meant for others who likes to insult us.

As for your questions, here are my toughts :
1. Yes, we can`t able to control more than one player in PES like in FIFA 2004 with their OTB controll. Some of us don`t feel that kind of control is necessary, while others do, and that`s why they include it in their requests for the coming PES. But to tell you the truth, OTB is not very good IMO. OTB is way to complicated, football sims was supposed to be simple in terms of control. For example, how many button combos you need to do an OTB in FIFA 2004 ? It was more like a fighting game control type rather than a football sims control. And on another note, lots of FIFA players who has mastered OTB thinks that it has major bugs, why ? Simply because when it`s executed perfectly, there`s no chance whatsoever for the CPU to stop it, and it took away all the fun playing the game, and ever since they mastered it, they never used it anymore ? So what`s the point of adding the feature when sooner or later it will take away all the fun ?
2. I really don`t understand this question, do you mean by the way the CPU cheats in PES ? Yes, the CPU fouls call sometimes can become a major, anoyin` bug in PES. This issue has been brought up and Konami responded well by fixing the bug in WE7i edition. But then again in FIFA 2004, EA took away the diving header and bicycle kick, doesn`t a much bigger bug than some late calls in PES ?

And still no sensible response from fanboys about the post where EA`s guy himself claimed that Euro isn`t a PES beater ( and not even . . . cough . . . cough a regular FIFA beater ) . . .

I wonder how old are most of the people who play FIFA.

I'm guessing alot of you are between 10 and 12 years old.

Originally posted by Hans
Sorry for that "you" word, I didn`t mean that. It was meant for others who likes to insult us.

As for your questions, here are my toughts :
1. Yes, we can`t able to control more than one player in PES like in FIFA 2004 with their OTB controll. Some of us don`t feel that kind of control is necessary, while others do, and that`s why they include it in their requests for the coming PES. But to tell you the truth, OTB is not very good IMO. OTB is way to complicated, football sims was supposed to be simple in terms of control. For example, how many button combos you need to do an OTB in FIFA 2004 ? It was more like a fighting game control type rather than a football sims control. And on another note, lots of FIFA players who has mastered OTB thinks that it has major bugs, why ? Simply because when it`s executed perfectly, there`s no chance whatsoever for the CPU to stop it, and it took away all the fun playing the game, and ever since they mastered it, they never used it anymore ? So what`s the point of adding the feature when sooner or later it will take away all the fun ?
2. I really don`t understand this question, do you mean by the way the CPU cheats in PES ? Yes, the CPU fouls call sometimes can become a major, anoyin` bug in PES. This issue has been brought up and Konami responded well by fixing the bug in WE7i edition. But then again in FIFA 2004, EA took away the diving header and bicycle kick, doesn`t a much bigger bug than some late calls in PES ?

And still no sensible response from fanboys about the post where EA`s guy himself claimed that Euro isn`t a PES beater ( and not even . . . cough . . . cough a regular FIFA beater ) . . .

Hi there Hans...

Well OTB is not as you discribe it. There are 3 kinds of OTB and I do not use them all of the time but still I want them all. What you said is not right "...simply because when it`s executed perfectly, there`s no chance whatsoever for the CPU to stop it...", cause it is not like this. The CPU also control more then one players, so when you "send" your other prayer somewhere, the def of the CPU will try to defend your move. But there is no a sure answer to if the CPU will stop you or not cause this depends on each situation, as real soccer...

As for the CPU in PES3, - I do not know how WE7i is playing so I cannot have an opinion - I have seen many times that your teamates - in offence or in defence - they move really stupid in many cases. I played PES3 before 2 days and in a case my 3 defenders when the ball went to the offence player of the CPU moved to the excact opposite direction. When I had the chance to move my defender to the attacker it was to late, the CPU player already scored...

As for what EA`s guys or Konami 's guys have to say, I do not really care on what they say, cause they only want to promote their stuff. They do not really care about us, or how we feel about their games, they just want to sell their games, BOTH of them...

Neo...

Originally posted by manutd4eva
I wonder how old are most of the people who play FIFA.

I'm guessing alot of you are between 10 and 12 years old.

I'm 20 years old and i think EURO 2004 is a great game... i'm also from Portugal, what a guy from Jamaica like you can teach me about soccer? :crazyboy:

Originally posted by neo_com_3

As for what EA`s guys or Konami 's guys have to say, I do not really care on what they say, cause they only want to promote their stuff. They do not really care about us, or how we feel about their games, they just want to sell their games, BOTH of them...

Neo...
You don`t seems to understand the point . . . Why would anyone bash at us for tellin` that PES is better than Euro when it was EA`s guy himself who already claimed that their new game is not even better than older FIFA games and PES ?

Now, that I brought that EA`s statement, I can see all the basher shut their mouth up.

As for your probs with WE7 CPU defender, I must say, you can`t expect to master PES in just two days. Unlike FIFA, you need weeks or even months to really master the game, that`s why the game is not boring for people who likes challenges like us. There are many options in the strategy tab in the team management settings so you can set up your defence.

Originally posted by Hans
You don`t seems to understand the point . . . Why would anyone bash at us for tellin` that PES is better than Euro when it was EA`s guy himself who already claimed that their new game is not even better than older FIFA games and PES ?


post your source or stfu yea? ;) Also to guys like wolf and tristanabott - glad to see you're still here, not playing your beloved PES or WE7, as naturally hating on fifa is more fun to you. I'll just say that ever since FIFA 2004 came out I've been playing it and it's still as much fun as it was in the beginning, and frankly i've found no reason to come in here and defend it. Its funny how when the time comes for the next FIFA to come out, you're all here, right on que to try to get as few people as possible to buy it. Obviously, you prefer that to playing your much advertised ISS/PES/WE7-clone...well to me that's as much proof of your negative reasons for being here as anything. If I was the moderator of this board, you would've been banned a long time ago, as all you do is hate on the game and try to promote your opinions without ever listening to anyone - obviously Matt still hasn't done that - maybe the guy is just way more patient than I am.

So yea, if i do get insanely bored, I will return to this forum and try to defend the next fifa installment (which does seem a great game from what i've seen) from your flaming...but otherwise - see ya in October, lame kids ;)

Originally posted by Hans
You don`t seems to understand the point . . . Why would anyone bash at us for tellin` that PES is better than Euro when it was EA`s guy himself who already claimed that their new game is not even better than older FIFA games and PES ?

Now, that I brought that EA`s statement, I can see all the basher shut their mouth up.

As for your probs with WE7 CPU defender, I must say, you can`t expect to master PES in just two days. Unlike FIFA, you need weeks or even months to really master the game, that`s why the game is not boring for people who likes challenges like us. There are many options in the strategy tab in the team management settings so you can set up your defence.

Hey m8...

I think that you do not get me. I do not bash at you or anybody else. I am just playing both games and I would like to hear opinions from all the players - FIFA & PES players...

You do not tell me if I wanna master the game in 2 days, cause you do not know how long I play the game since you are not next to me when I play. At least with the facts I give you you know that I play PES3. With what you say it is very clear that you only play 5-10 times or you even saw the game and you have made already your opinion...

What I said about Def system on PES3 was clearly a CPU problem at that current time. Nothing more, nothing less...

Neo...

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
I'm 20 years old and i think EURO 2004 is a great game... i'm also from Portugal, what a guy from Jamaica like you can teach me about soccer? :crazyboy:

You being from Portugal counts for nothing.:rolleyes:

....and great game?:|

I've never played PES/WE and I can admit FIFA/EURO/WC games have all been ****.

Originally posted by Cozmo
post your source or stfu yea? ;)


LINK (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/previews/previews_story.php(que)id=103093)

Read : "The Foot in Mouth" part, hell, I`ll repost it again :

FOOT IN MOUTH
Clearly aimed at the mass market, EA is happy to admit that it's attempting to ensnare Euro-crazed football fans. In a somewhat Ratner-esque statement, a senior marketing executive openly proclaimed: "I want to be honest with you and say that this game is not going to be a PES-beater - it's not even going to necessarily be a FIFA-beater." As for the good news, it promises to be "the deepest event-product we've ever brought to release", the idea being that once you've seen the match and got the shirt, you buy the game.

Now . . . Who should shut his ****in` mouth up ???

Originally posted by neo_com_3
Hey m8...

I think that you do not get me. I do not bash at you or anybody else. I am just playing both games and I would like to hear opinions from all the players - FIFA & PES players...

You do not tell me if I wanna master the game in 2 days, cause you do not know how long I play the game since you are not next to me when I play. At least with the facts I give you you know that I play PES3. With what you say it is very clear that you only play 5-10 times or you even saw the game and you have made already your opinion...

What I said about Def system on PES3 was clearly a CPU problem at that current time. Nothing more, nothing less...

Neo...

how many stars of difficulty are you playing at?

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
I'm 20 years old and i think EURO 2004 is a great game... i'm also from Portugal, what a guy from Jamaica like you can teach me about soccer? :crazyboy:

Well if i look at what level the portugal team is playing I would say A LOT :kader:

Luis Figo:kader:
Rui Costa :kader:
Vitor Baia:kader:
Fernando Couto:kader:
Conceicao :kader:
Joao Pinto:kader:
Pauleta:kader:
Nuno Gomes :kader:
etc...

Originally posted by Hans
LINK (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/previews/previews_story.php(que)id=103093)

Read : "The Foot in Mouth" part, hell, I`ll repost it again :

FOOT IN MOUTH
Clearly aimed at the mass market, EA is happy to admit that it's attempting to ensnare Euro-crazed football fans. In a somewhat Ratner-esque statement, a senior marketing executive openly proclaimed: "I want to be honest with you and say that this game is not going to be a PES-beater - it's not even going to necessarily be a FIFA-beater." As for the good news, it promises to be "the deepest event-product we've ever brought to release", the idea being that once you've seen the match and got the shirt, you buy the game.

Now . . . Who should shut his ****in` mouth up ???


yea...ok...computerandvideogames.com - as if that's the most reliable source ever, not to mention that they haven't even included the guy's NAME, which makes it a dodgy piece of information at best. Tell me something, if you can strain your chickenbrain that much, do you actually believe that a "marketing" executive would actually say that, when he's actually supposed to help advertise the product? Either way, I'm not trusting a word, until i see the quote, with the guy's name below it. Hell, anyone can fabricate something like that, for whatever reason... it might be just what this reviewer has done, most likely another PES/WE7 fanboy. Next time think before posting unreliable crap like that and pretending it actually proves anything.

Having said all that, I hope you'll get who should shut his faking mouth...


(Retardness...it never seizes to amaze me)

COZMOOO !!!!

you're the MAAAN ;)

everything you said is absolutely right.

even a brainless "marketing" executive wouldn't say bad things about "HIS" game.

about defending the game, i think it can defend itself perfectly!

I got the patch ( forgot the name ) and set the "never ending game" feature on.. I LOVE IT ! even though it's only 1 "half" and it never ends, i don't get bored and i don't wanna quit the game!

"it's not even going to necessarily be a FIFA-beater."
loooooooooooooooooool !!
if that exective said this, then he either didn't play the game, or... didn't play the game !!

Great post Cozmo. :)

Great, and funny post cozmo. i remember reading that from the same article.

In what way is Cozmo's post great? He throws doubt on something he refuses to believe! That doesn't make it not true! Plus, unless Cozmo personally knows the writer at Computer & Video Games then what the heck would it matter who wrote it at the magazine. As for calling them an unreliable source, they're infinitely more credible than he is!

More denial and pretending to have brains and belittle others with it!

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
Great post Cozmo. :)


Wipe the poopy off your tongue dude!

is sad when such fanboyism clouds people judgement about a quote.. EA made the game in 4 months.. is basically fifa 2004 with a different interface and a couple of more tricks.

great as in funny......

Originally posted by Hans
LINK (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/previews/previews_story.php(que)id=103093)

Read : "The Foot in Mouth" part, hell, I`ll repost it again :

FOOT IN MOUTH
Clearly aimed at the mass market, EA is happy to admit that it's attempting to ensnare Euro-crazed football fans. In a somewhat Ratner-esque statement, a senior marketing executive openly proclaimed: "I want to be honest with you and say that this game is not going to be a PES-beater - it's not even going to necessarily be a FIFA-beater." As for the good news, it promises to be "the deepest event-product we've ever brought to release", the idea being that once you've seen the match and got the shirt, you buy the game.

Now . . . Who should shut his ****in` mouth up ???

To me it seems some of you guys take this quote out of context, or the website that produced it did.

To me it seems that they would be talking about Euro 2004 not beating WE& or FIFA 2004 in SALES, not gameplay.

Anyway, that's the way I took it when I first read it. Think about it. Why would people outside Europe really want to buy this game, unless they are just huge fans of football. It is aimed directly at the European market to capitalize of this huge event. That's why I think the quote was more about sales of the game, than acutal gameplay.

Originally posted by TristanAbbott7
In what way is Cozmo's post great? He throws doubt on something he refuses to believe! That doesn't make it not true! Plus, unless Cozmo personally knows the writer at Computer & Video Games then what the heck would it matter who wrote it at the magazine. As for calling them an unreliable source, they're infinitely more credible than he is!

More denial and pretending to have brains and belittle others with it!

hehe the typical, lame reply right on que - much expected too, only i did think you'd come up with something better (being the redneck WE7/PES supporter who tries to appear reasonable at times)...Anywayz, let me address the mess you just came up with - I don't "refuse to believe" anything that isn't proven to exist in the first place - it's called being suspicious (and rightly so, given the nature of the quote)

Now, the reason why I was questioning the motives of the writer, is that people wouldn't normally include include such a quote, unless they had an agenda - and that, my friend, is why it matters who writes a review, because a reviewer is supposed to be objective (hopefuly you know what that means).

As to me not being a credible source :D that was a nice one. Tell me at which point was I trying to be a "source", as far as I was aware I was just giving my opinion. And "denial" is the state that you have been in, ever since you started posting on a fifa forum, with the obvious intention of flaming it.
Normally, i wouldn't flatter you with such a long explanation (which naturally won't be enough to have any impact whatsoever on you, cos you're a one way street, you just blurt out whatever happens to be on your mind and you're happy) but I was bored - bah, it happens. Oh, hmm is it too much to ask of you to actually *think* before you post next time? On a second thought, it probably is...;)

Wolf seems pretty interested in EURO 2004, why he keeps bottering in answer in this threads? :confused: Go play WE, don't waste your time, you seem like a leader of some kind of fanatic group trying to catch more people to your "religion"... get a life, and you even call fanboy to the other... :crazyboy:

Originally posted by Killua
how many stars of difficulty are you playing at?

Five stars man...
*****

I expexted a more smart AI from my teamates... Keep in mind that I also see crap like this in FIFA 2004 - this is why I say that there is room for improvment for both games...

...I do not know if Cosmo is right or not but I also would like to hear the name and the possition he has on EA, that said his opinion about EURO 2004, before I believe it...

Neo...

Originally posted by neo_com_3
Five stars man...
*****

I expexted a more smart AI from my teamates... Keep in mind that I also see crap like this in FIFA 2004 - this is why I say that there is room for improvment for both games...

...I do not know if Cosmo is right or not but I also would like to hear the name and the possition he has on EA, that said his opinion about EURO 2004, before I believe it...

Neo...

I really don't know... cause i've been playing WE (we3...) long before the word PES is invented. I didn't get that problem. I agree everything can be improved.... otherwise, they won't come out with newer versions! ;)

why the hell the thread wasn´t been close ? look at the topic of corse people who likes we/pes come here.
beening me a we/pes fanboy i think cozmo is right the source is s**t. just play the demo guys if you like just buy it or do like me i play the demo 1 time 2 times 3 times and i uninstalled. why ? its the same crap fifa2004 with a little few teaks.
jesus you guys are all the same when some fifa come out you guys have all orgasms "the game is great ", "EA beat komani", "this is trully better" then after 2 months playing "i saw the light we7 is great ", "fifa is always the same", "we7 gameplay is muth better"..... :(
my question is....how many more years and fifas and we/pes do you have to play to realise that we/pes is better then fifa?

p.s - anyway in the end play what you like most i´m glad we don´t like all the same :)

See people ? I gave the fanboy the link and all he could do to justify his toughts is by throwin` more insults . . .

Originally posted by Killua
I really don't know... cause i've been playing WE (we3...) long before the word PES is invented. I didn't get that problem. I agree everything can be improved.... otherwise, they won't come out with newer versions! ;)

You know m8, sometimes - EA does this often - the new versions are out only for commercial reasons - as I said before, I think that EA could use some of the new stuff of EURO 2004 in FIFA 2004, but now they give something more, just to pay around 70 euros, which is the retail price of the PS 2 version in Greece. I do not like this but since I love FIFA 2004 I will probably buy EURO 2004, but... I WILL TRY IT FIRST!!! I have the EURO 2004 Demo PC version but the PC version of FIFA 2004 compared to the PS2 version is crap - the frame rate on my PC is ****ed up...

Anyway, I would like to play with players that play FIFA 2004 & PES 3 so I can learn from everybody, but my age - 32 years old - does not help me find mates here in Greece. Today I arrange to go play real soccer - 5 vs 5 - and I would like to see if I can do the freestyle things I do in FIFA 2004 in real life - hahahahaha!!!

See you...

Neo...

omg look at all these n3rds arguing about some freakin games(H)

I love the gameplay of WE or PES, but FIFA and EA have it right w/ the liscenses. It just adds to the realism. I have FIFA 2004 and even though the gameplay has sever flaws, it's my game of choice so I will not hesitate to pick up Euro 2004.

Originally posted by neo_com_3
Today I arrange to go play real soccer - 5 vs 5 - and I would like to see if I can do the freestyle things I do in FIFA 2004 in real life - hahahahaha!!!

See you...

Neo...

Cool, I like playing 5 on 5 in basketball courts. Glad to know you're still playing soccer at that age. Most men would just sit around and drink beer all day long! :)

I aint gonna listen to any Fifa basher or PES basher. My experience is what matters to me. I am an adult with my own mind/needs/opinions. And this is my experience.
I have played Fifa, PES, WE11 and they all are dissapointments in comparison to the game I have played watched and loved for about 3 decades. I really dont care who makes the game that lives up, I have no predjudices. But I am playing this Euro 2004 game and having fun. Hope the full game makes me feel the same. If it doesnt, then I hope next WE11 does.
But some plonkers have already written it off because its EA.
I already switched off from listening wot Wolf,Cro and their cronies have to say. You will not get an objective word on this matter from them I promise you.


One more thing. The guy who says he has never seen a single person switch from PES to Fifa. Well here I am. I switch back and forwards all the time when I am tired of the ****e from the one and have forgotten about the ****e in the next one.

agreed

thats true o'neill, it really isn't about taking sides, its about enjoying the game. Frankly i'd rather go outside and play football all day with my friends and my team. Now of course thats not going to happen. While i'm away from the pitch i just want to enjoy football playing a sim on my ps2. its not even close to the real thing, but its getting there. I enjoy fifa more than pes, that doesn't make me a fanboy or a pes basher.


Note: i have a life beyond football, however limited it may be....:D

Originally posted by Thierry__Henry
I have access to deviance 0-day ftp, so how about you suck my cock :D
TristanAbbott7 its funny how you think you know everything yet you dont know squat, sad sad little boy.

The cock is too small cant find it loser...

[i]Originally posted by manutd4eva

I wonder how old are most of the people who play FIFA.

I'm guessing alot of you are between 10 and 12 years old. [/B]


aNywey I turned 8 yestur day. anD as u kan C . i am kape- lable of makeing vey STOOOPID komen ts like u.

you have the typing abilities of a 5 year old:D