Carlos "El Pibe" Valderrama (Colombia) and Diego Armando Maradona (Argentina) two of the gratest South American Futbol (Soccer) players ever... I know I should have mentioned Pele he is at the top with Maradona... Pele was a complete athlete and a skillfull soccer palyer, Maradona was and artist of the sport with awesome skills and Valderrama was an Incredible midfielder with an outstanding panoramic view of the field and his players.. I know some of you are dying to post your European stars.. so please go ahead shows your best... :)

Zinedine Zidane is better than both of them. He has played in a harder era, won everything for club and country and wasnt pumped on steriods to do it.

Originally posted by Spurs4Life
Zinedine Zidane is better than both of them. He has played in a harder era, won everything for club and country and wasnt pumped on steriods to do it.

No one can say this era is harder than previous eras, Maradona is at the top with the big stars... how can you dare say Zidane is better than Maradona... you are totally wrong...

Thank God that is just your opnion.:confused: I mean, Zidane is great but Maradona was great and not even I, Brazilian with all the hate I have towards los hirmanos, can't deny that. ;) Then again it is just my opinion also:p

:(

hahahahahahaha (H)

Originally posted by Gerrard 17
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:funny: Good one ...

I misspelled "f*cking"...... :kader:

Notice the Spanish exclamation marks though (H)

Seriously, Carlos looks like he's well stoned, while Diego has the "I'm gonna puke but I'll take one more for the country" expression :mrpimp:

Originally posted by Gerrard 17
I misspelled "f*cking"...... :kader:

Notice the Spanish exclamation marks though (H)

Seriously, Carlos looks like he's well stoned, while Diego has the "I'm gonna puke but I'll take one more for the country" expression :mrpimp:

Tha pic was taken at Valderrama's retirement party two days before his farewell retirement game...

Originally posted by skull
No one can say this era is harder than previous eras, Maradona is at the top with the big stars... how can you dare say Zidane is better than Maradona... you are totally wrong...

No im not wrong, just because u think Maradona is better don't make u right, it's a matter of opinion. Zidane had more class than Maradona, he didn't handball the ball to win a match and he wasnt taking performance enhancing drugs to play better, Zidane wasnt a cheat. My opinion and i think Zidane is better than the two u mentioned. Although Valderrama had class, he is the Columbian version of Stanley Matthews, he was a legend.

Originally posted by Gerrard 17
while Diego has the "I'm gonna puke but I'll take one more for the country" expression :mrpimp:

No Maradona looks like he is letting a fart rip after eating 5 kebabs :funny:

Originally posted by Spurs4Life
No im not wrong, just because u think Maradona is better don't make u right, it's a matter of opinion. Zidane had more class than Maradona, he didn't handball the ball to win a match and he wasnt taking performance enhancing drugs to play better, Zidane wasnt a cheat. My opinion and i think Zidane is better than the two u mentioned. Although Valderrama had class, he is the Columbian version of Stanley Matthews, he was a legend.

You are right when it comes to a matter of oipinions, but you are wrong whe you say this era is harder than previous eras, sure times have changed and futbol has evolved but this does not mean this era is harder than previous eras... Now my opinion Zidane is a great player but not to be put in the category of Pele, Maradona, Beckenbabuer, Cruyff, DiStefano...

Originally posted by skull
Now my opinion Zidane is a great player but not to be put in the category of Pele, Maradona, Beckenbabuer, Cruyff, DiStefano...

Yeh in your opinion ;). In many people's eyes he is the greatest player of all time, he was named the greatest player of the last 50 years by Fifa 2 weeks ago ;). Just because someone is hailed as the greatest don't mean they should always hold that title. Yes this era is tougher, football is more professional now, players are bigger,stronger, quicker and under more pressure and under the media spotlight alot more than in previous decades, Im not taking anything away from the legends u have mentioned, just that Zidane has brought the game on to a new level.

--------------------------Banks

---Cafu-----------Baresi---------Maldini-------------Carlos


--Cruyff-------B.Moore........Zidane..........Matthews (was a RM)


--------------------Pele-----------------R.Baggio

That would be my all time team, im not saying they are all the best, but i think that's a great team.

Originally posted by Spurs4Life
Yes this era is tougher, football is more professional now, players are bigger,stronger, quicker and under more pressure and under the media spotlight alot more than in previous decades, Im not taking anything away from the legends u have mentioned, just that Zidane has brought the game on to a new level.

This era is tough to the advances of this era, but you can not make it tougher to previuos eras, back then the game was played with the advances of that time and the rules of those eras evolved just like man does, saying this is like saying our times are tougher than the cave men times... In my opinion you are totally wrong by comparing eras to make players better, if that the case Maradona and Pele brought the game to new levels way better for their time... Lets look at the game itself, compare balls, shoes, fields, rules... all of these were much tougher back then, balls were harder and heavier, Boots were not as advaced, fileds were diferent and tougher and the rules did not protect the player like they do today... so was it tougher before?? or is it now... anyways there is no way you can compare nor claim one wera was tougher..

Originally posted by skull
This era is tough to the advances of this era, but you can not make it tougher to previuos eras, back then the game was played with the advances of that time and the rules of those eras evolved just like man does, saying this is like saying our times are tougher than the cave men times... In my opinion you are totally wrong by comparing eras to make players better, if that the case Maradona and Pele brought the game to new levels way better for their time...

You are right in many ways which is why people say "era's shouldnt be compared" which is true it isnt really fair in a way because in tennis for example John McEnroe and Bjorn Borg would get owned by Pete Sampras, because the game has evolved to a new level. But without comparing era's which is wrong in some ways, the fact remains to me, is that i think Zidane is better than Maradona. Maradona was a cheat and a drug cheat, which is what ill remember, not the grace he had on the field. Will Michael jackson be remembered for his music when he dies?, i would suggest no.

Pele on the other hand is a different story. He scored over 2,500 league goals (In South America) and won world cups, he can challenge Zidane in my eyes as the number one player of all time in whatever ere you compare them in.

maradona didnt take esteroids :rolleyes:

Originally posted by claupastore
maradona didnt take esteroids :rolleyes:

Are u for real?. It's been well documented, it wasnt the only thing he was taking, he was and still is a coke addict. Saying he didnt take them is like saying Beckham aint bald.

beckham IS bald


edit: it is documented that he took coke and all that other stuff, but he did not take anything to enhace his performance

1991 - Leaves Italy after testing positive for cocaine.
1994 - Sent home from the World Cup after testing positive for Ephedrine - a banned stimulant.

Originally posted by shokz
1991 - Leaves Italy after testing positive for cocaine.
1994 - Sent home from the World Cup after testing positive for Ephedrine - a banned stimulant.

:ewan:


will that make you a better player?

Originally posted by shokz
1991 - Leaves Italy after testing positive for cocaine.
1994 - Sent home from the World Cup after testing positive for Ephedrine - a banned stimulant.

:ewan:

There u go and bare in mind that's the only times he has been caught he has been at it for years. He is indeed a coke head.

BTW he has been taking steriods too, which is how he was in such supreme physical shape and had such great stamina,anyway im off to bed, night lads.

:Bow: Cruyff :Bow:

Zinedine Zidane is better than both of them. He has played in a harder era, won everything for club and country and wasnt pumped on steriods to do it.

GIBBERISH!!!

When has that OLD HEN "ZIDANE" ever led his team in scoring?

Zidane is not in the same league as Platini, Maradona, R. Gaucho, and Zico.

Zidane is a great player but not as great as Diego Armando Maradona.

Originally posted by shokz
:Bow: Cruyff :Bow:

Yes let's bow to the greatest!
:Bow: Cruyff :Bow:

Originally posted by Spurs4Life
There u go and bare in mind that's the only times he has been caught he has been at it for years. He is indeed a coke head.

BTW he has been taking steriods too, which is how he was in such supreme physical shape and had such great stamina,anyway im off to bed, night lads.


Maradona was on epedrine, not steroids. Get a clue, and your English hate is showing, thread highjacker.

Steroids do not make you into any better shape or give you stamina. Dont talk if you dont know. A person taking steroids still has to TRAIN the same amount, but will just gain more muscle mass which is not going to give you the CONTROL and FINE SKILL that Maradona had.

For your BS posts, I hope Spurs are relegated.

Originally posted by Delly
Yes let's bow to the greatest!


:Bow: Cygan :Bow:

Originally posted by northstar
Maradona was on epedrine, not steroids. Get a clue, and your English hate is showing, thread highjacker.

Steroids do not make you into any better shape or give you stamina. Dont talk if you dont know. A person taking steroids still has to TRAIN the same amount, but will just gain more muscle mass which is not going to give you the CONTROL and FINE SKILL that Maradona had.

For your BS posts, I hope Spurs are relegated.

some english men hate maradona, hence why they talk out of their asses ;)

we can expect to read something like "maradona took coke which made him dribble the ball better, and weed halped him to stay focused on the pitch"

:Bow:Bobby:Bow:

(H)

Steroid or whatever drug he took, that couldnt have strenghten his football skills. His vision, his passing, his scoring. He's great, he's history. Nuff said.

Originally posted by Spurs4Life
You are right in many ways which is why people say "era's shouldnt be compared" which is true it isnt really fair in a way because in tennis for example John McEnroe and Bjorn Borg would get owned by Pete Sampras, because the game has evolved to a new level. But without comparing era's which is wrong in some ways, the fact remains to me, is that i think Zidane is better than Maradona. Maradona was a cheat and a drug cheat, which is what ill remember, not the grace he had on the field. Will Michael jackson be remembered for his music when he dies?, i would suggest no.

Pele on the other hand is a different story. He scored over 2,500 league goals (In South America) and won world cups, he can challenge Zidane in my eyes as the number one player of all time in whatever ere you compare them in.




Shut up.


Comparing Maradona to Michael Jackson ?!

Maradona had drug problems and he did what he did to himself. Michael Jackson molested young boys.

Comparing the 2 is absolutely ridiculous.

You may remember him for his drug problems and not his football because you're a douche.... but those of us who have seen him play will remember him for his footballing skills.

Maradona IS one of the greatest ever. I bet you have never seen any of his games for Napoli and if you have, you're just too biased to accept it.

You are a sad sad individual who is still pissed off about how Maradona beat the English single handedly (pun intended)

Originally posted by Gerrard 17

while Diego has the "I'm gonna puke but I'll take one more for the country" expression :mrpimp:
He was always a very patriotic guy :p

Originally posted by Spurs4Life
Zinedine Zidane is better than both of them.
Thats the most stupid thing ive ever heard

:rolleyes:

Is it me or does Maradonna look WORSE every time someone releases a picture of him:kader:
I really wish he quit taking drugs, as R9 said, even I, a Brazilian have a heart of a human being who is striggling with a drug addiction...even if he was a cheat, and the only player more arrogant than Henry....

oh and I dont buy that argument that football now is tougher then back then....:kader: Bull crap.

It's obvious that Maradona was a brilliant footballer, with skills that were out of this world.

Problem is as a person he is a coward, a cheat and an idiot.

I can understand why people are fascinated by his skills and what he did on the pitch... but for me it's impossible to talk about any kind of respect for the guy.

He's gotta be the greatest player of all time. I mean, how hard do you think it is to go out and play at that quality after comming off a coke binge? I'll tell you, VERY ******* HARD!!!

Plus who cares if he does drugs, I don't really even think they should be illegal; do to yourself whatever you want.

Spurs4Life, u really are an idiot :rolleyes:

1) Cocaine is hardly performance enhancing..... and Maradonna wasnt caught taking performance enhancing

2) Zidane's repeatedly been caught with performance enhancing crap. Which sorta contradicts your "Zidane wasn't a cheat"

3) Juve, France, Real... Zidane's been constantly surrounded by superstars. Maradonna went to Napoli and brought them his first ever Serie A title.

4) No class? Yeah, whateva dude....

5) With all the training facilities and "sport suppliments" and new kangaroo leather super curling boots, and balls that my 10 year old brother can curl, anyone can look good.

6) Comparing him to Micahel Jackson..... retard

7) People remember him as a great player. Ever wonder why every other person in the world rates him in the top 5, if not right at the top, ever? There might actually be a reason :confused:

8) So ur just jealous coz he owned u guys with the second goal?

Originally posted by Parra Power
Spurs4Life, u really are an idiot :rolleyes:

1) Cocaine is hardly performance enhancing..... and Maradonna wasnt caught taking performance enhancing

2) Zidane's repeatedly been caught with performance enhancing crap. Which sorta contradicts your "Zidane wasn't a cheat"

3) Juve, France, Real... Zidane's been constantly surrounded by superstars. Maradonna went to Napoli and brought them his first ever Serie A title.

4) No class? Yeah, whateva dude....

5) With all the training facilities and "sport suppliments" and new kangaroo leather super curling boots, and balls that my 10 year old brother can curl, anyone can look good.

6) Comparing him to Micahel Jackson..... retard

7) People remember him as a great player. Ever wonder why every other person in the world rates him in the top 5, if not right at the top, ever? There might actually be a reason :confused:

8) So ur just jealous coz he owned u guys with the second goal?

Agree with everything you said the Parra. Especially 3 and 5.

Originally posted by Parra Power
8) So ur just jealous coz he owned u guys with the second goal?
hehe English fans have a very selective memory. They'll remember the handball, but not the wondergoal.

Originally posted by man united forever
hehe English fans have a very selective memory. They'll remember the handball, but not the wondergoal.
rubbish. of course we know all about the other goal. Fact is they won by a one goal margin that day. So the other goal was just as important

Originally posted by Parra Power
Spurs4Life, u really are an idiot :rolleyes:

1) Cocaine is hardly performance enhancing..... and Maradonna wasnt caught taking performance enhancing

2) Zidane's repeatedly been caught with performance enhancing crap. Which sorta contradicts your "Zidane wasn't a cheat"

3) Juve, France, Real... Zidane's been constantly surrounded by superstars. Maradonna went to Napoli and brought them his first ever Serie A title.

4) No class? Yeah, whateva dude....

5) With all the training facilities and "sport suppliments" and new kangaroo leather super curling boots, and balls that my 10 year old brother can curl, anyone can look good.

6) Comparing him to Micahel Jackson..... retard

7) People remember him as a great player. Ever wonder why every other person in the world rates him in the top 5, if not right at the top, ever? There might actually be a reason :confused:

8) So ur just jealous coz he owned u guys with the second goal?

1) I didn't say cocaine enhanced his performance i said steriods did, which kept him in great shape and gave him great stamina. I said he was also a coke head.

2) Maradona is a cheat "hand of god" ring a bell?.

3) Good for him.

4) Yeh i don't think he has no class, but that's just me

5) retarded answer, i think u watched "Ernie plays basketball" one too many times, no u don't put boots on and magicallly u can curl a ball. u have to be gifted to do what Zidane does.

6) No i didn't compare him to Michael Jackson, i said Michael Jackson wont be remembered for his achievements to some people, much like Maradona. I don't remember saying Maradona is a singer who molested boys....retard.

7) Good for them people.

8) No im not jealous, jealous of what?, where he ran round 7 players and scored, then handballed the goal in the goal...er no.

Some of u really need to read before answering. All these Americans answering defending him, if they got screwed out of a world cup id love to see them defend his ass like they are now.

Originally posted by northstar
Maradona was on epedrine, not steroids. Get a clue, and your English hate is showing, thread highjacker.

Steroids do not make you into any better shape or give you stamina. Dont talk if you dont know. A person taking steroids still has to TRAIN the same amount, but will just gain more muscle mass which is not going to give you the CONTROL and FINE SKILL that Maradona had.

For your BS posts, I hope Spurs are relegated.

Of course steriods get u into better shape. They give u muscle tone and give u stamina, of course u have to train im not stupid. He had natural talent, great ball control, but i will always see him as a cheat.

You hope Spurs are relegated?,whatever u say glory hunting twat. Don't tell me u supported Juve because u was born and raised in Rome:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Spurs4Life
1) I didn't say cocaine enhanced his performance i said steriods did, which kept him in great shape and gave him great stamina. I said he was also a coke head.

2) Maradona is a cheat "hand of god" ring a bell?.

3) Good for him.

4) Yeh i don't think he has no class, but that's just me

5) retarded answer, i think u watched "Ernie plays basketball" one too many times, no u don't put boots on and magicallly u can curl a ball. u have to be gifted to do what Zidane does.

6) No i didn't compare him to Michael Jackson, i said Michael Jackson wont be remembered for his achievements to some people, much like Maradona. I don't remember saying Maradona is a singer who molested boys....retard.

7) Good for them people.

8) No im not jealous, jealous of what?, where he ran round 7 players and scored, then handballed the goal in the goal...er no.

Some of u really need to read before answering. All these Americans answering defending him, if they got screwed out of a world cup id love to see them defend his ass like they are now.



1) You're a douche

2) You're a douche

3) You're a douche

4) You're a douche

5) You're a douche

6) You're a douche

7) You're a douche

8) You're a douche

If Maradona wore the 3lions I bet you Spurs4Life wouldn't be calling him a cheat.

maradona was a great player, but i also think he portrays a pretty ugly image.
you cant respect him as a person (atleast i cant), because time and time again he lets down millions of people, when he ruins himself with another dose.
to be honest, ive never watched a full game of him, only seen a couple of goals. but, i dont doubt it hes a legend, maybe the best in the world and all that **** you guys throw around.
and learn to debate people...instead of calling others names, counter their points. sheesh...if you have strong points to make, why act like a 5 year old?

Naaa.... no point in wasting yout time countering his points.

He is too stupid to comprehend anything other than ... Oh no !he touched the ball .... hes a cheat ....


I blame all this on the english media.

Anyway heres a song to respect the man (H)

(Thanks Denis ;) )


You put your right hand in, Your right hand out,

In out, in out and shake it all about

You do the Maradona and you turn around,

He put the English Out, Out, Out!!


:hump: :rockman: :rockman:

How can you judge his carreer just because of a handball? If he is considered worldwide to be the 2nd best player of all times do you think he only cheated or took drugs? I saw him play for Argentina and Napoli and he was a masterfull player. He had wonderfull technic, flair and he was a very intelligent player. He was a natural team leader and was magical even in the hardest conditions. It seems to me that you are very young to even know what he achieved and you prolly only saw him play in Us 94 when he was in the lower point of his carrier. When he came to Napoli the club won 2 championships thanks to him. He did wonders on a modest club which was miles away from the top clubs in Italy, and believe me Napoli had alot of limitations ( you can see what happened to the club when Maradona left).
I know that everyone is entitled to their opinion but the way you describe Maradona is just dispicable. Zidane is a great player but he is no where near Maradona.

Exactly. But the Spurs fan isn't going to change his opinion .... unfortunately.

You still can't deny Diego's ability on the ball. Anybody who's seen his famous warm-up for Napoli (or Boca) will see what I mean.

Kicking a ball whilst his shoes remain untied. What a fat genius. He may have played in a different era but there were so many greats in that period.

Originally posted by shokz
1991 - Leaves Italy after testing positive for cocaine.
1994 - Sent home from the World Cup after testing positive for Ephedrine - a banned stimulant.
Yeah, that was just before the game vs. Bulgaria. The next day Argentina got hammered by the mighty bulgarians:rockman:

Originally posted by Drvar
maradona was a great player, but i also think he portrays a pretty ugly image.
you cant respect him as a person (atleast i cant), because time and time again he lets down millions of people, when he ruins himself with another dose.
to be honest, ive never watched a full game of him, only seen a couple of goals. but, i dont doubt it hes a legend, maybe the best in the world and all that **** you guys throw around.
and learn to debate people...instead of calling others names, counter their points. sheesh...if you have strong points to make, why act like a 5 year old?

Exactly im getting abused for a opinion i have over a player when i have a right to when he cheated us out of the world cup. Mods moan and get p!ssed when someone calls them names, funny thing is they aint Argentinian and they are sticking up for him to the extreme.

Originally posted by man united forever
hehe English fans have a very selective memory. They'll remember the handball, but not the wondergoal.

Yes you are totally right

Originally posted by Spurs 4 Life
Some of u really need to read before answering. All these Americans answering defending him, if they got screwed out of a world cup id love to see them defend his ass like they are now.

England wasn't going to win that wolrd cup anyways, and probably never will win a world cup... how can you tell is all north Americans defending him? I see Europeans and South Americans defending him also.. I'm myself from South America... anyways your statement that Zidane is better than Maradona and that this era is of soccer is tougher makes no sense at all, just look at this thread just about everyone disagrees with you... I thnk you are letting your english feelings of jelousy drive out of your mind after Maradona and Argentina has owned your national team so many times... ;)

Originally posted by skull
Yes you are totally right



England wasn't going to win that wolrd cup anyways, and probably never will win a world cup... how can you tell is all north Americans defending him? I see Europeans and South Americans defending him also.. I'm myself from South America... anyways your statement that Zidane is better than Maradona and that this era is of soccer is tougher makes no sense at all, just look at this thread just about everyone disagrees with you... I thnk you are letting your english feelings of jelousy drive out of your mind after Maradona and Argentina has owned your national team so many times... ;)

First of all England have won a world cup. We have also been in 2 semi finals and in 1990 if we beat Germany in the penalty shoot out we would of won in the final. Second of all a opinion can't be wrong, saying Man United won the league is wrong because that aint a fact, but saying Zidane is better is a matter of opinion. No im not jealous like i said im proud to be English and proud of our domestic leagues, i respect the Argentinian teams and world cup wins from the past, just not Maradona. Thank u for speaking normally and not call me names like a little b!tch i respect your views and opinion.

hey soupforlife, if you dont like maradona because he cheats, then you shuoldnt like zidane because of the head butt that he gave to that other player in the CL whilest playing with juve.
you also shouldnt like any player that dives.
you also shouldnt like if you ever had friends that cheated on a test, because they are cheats.
you shouldnt like rio ferdinand, because he cheated.

and you a man is a cheat because of drug problems? man you have no idea what a drug problem can do to a person. and ill tell you again, it is known that what he took didnt enhace ins performance on the pitch. it did not made him better. it only made him worst because he got fat. capice?

like everybody already said. you are just sore because of those two goals.

and im not american, im venezuelan and italian
and i dont even like most of the argentinans :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Spurs4Life
First of all England have won a world cup. We have been in 2 semi finals in 1990 if we beat Germany in the penalty shoot out we would of won in the final. Second of all a opinion can't be wrong, saying Man United won the league is wrong because that aint a fact, but saying Zidane is better is a matter of opinion. No im not jealous like i said im proud to be English and proud of our domestic leagues, i respect the Argentinian teams and world cup wins from the past, just not Maradona. Thank u for speaking normally and not call me names like a little b!tch i respect your views and opinion.

I meant to say "England wasn't going to win that world cup anyways, and probably never will win another world cup... " I missed a word.. and BTW England won that world cup with a goal that never never went in...

Originally posted by skull
I meant to say "England wasn't going to win that world cup anyways, and probably never will win another world cup... " I missed a word.. and BTW England won that world cup with a goal that never never went in...

LOL now u are trying to say we didnt deserve our worl cup, well sorry to burst you bubble mate i dont see Colombia ever winning a world cup, we may never win one but we have more of a chance than Colombia.

Originally posted by skull
BTW England won that world cup with a goal that never never went in... Here we go again. (H)

Originally posted by Spurs4Life
LOL now u are trying to say we didnt deserve our worl cup, well sorry to burst you bubble mate i dont see Colombia ever winning a world cup, we may never win one but we have more of a chance than Colombia.

Ok Mate, did I mentioned Colombia at all... This is why people are getting upset at your responses, you gear things the wrong way... if it comes to that in todays Futbol its unpredictable to say who can win the world cup... but that is not the argument nor I said you didn't desrve to win the cup, Germany deserved it just as much, but indeed that goal never went in in my opinion...