<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"><tr><td width="100%"><font size="2"><font face="Arial"><b>Exciting FIFA 2005 Article</b></font></font></td></tr><tr><td width="100%"><font size="2" face="Arial"><p><a href="http://www.soccergaming.com/imagedisplay.php3?image=http://www.soccergaming.com/db/images/news/fifa2005ops2july.jpg&caption=OPS2UK+FIFA+2005+Article&site=2"><img src="http://www.soccergaming.com/db/images/news/fifa2005ops2july.gif" alt="Euro 2004 Total Kits Package" width="135" height="186" border="0" align="right"></a>UK's Official Playstation 2 Magazine has got its hands on FIFA 2005, and boy were they impressed.<br><br>Most would agree that FIFA 2004's gameplay is behind PES, and so does OP2-UK. But after playing a very early version of FIFA 2005 they are amazed with the progress and now have high expectations on EA Sports' upcoming game, saying:<br><br><i>"And with 2005 they might even get to the end of the track and produce a game that not only sells better than Pro Evolution Soccer but actually is better than the mighty PES."</i><br><br>Check out the <a href="http://www.soccergaming.com/imagedisplay.php3?image=http://www.soccergaming.com/db/images/news/fifa2005ops2july.jpg&caption=OPS2UK+FIFA+2005+Article&site=2">full article</a> for new screenshots and reasons why they think it might topple PES this year.</font></td></tr><tr><td width="100%"><br><font size="2" face="Arial"><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="1">Posted at <a href="http://www.fifa04.com">FIFA 2004 Online</a> by <a href="mailto:">Andrew</a></font>
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Hehe... someone please move this to the FIFA 2005 forum. :)

lets hope they actually make a good version for the pc :)

i read the article and can't wait for the game to come out.

Yeah let's hope

will be another crap.........every year there are lot of hype and article........only to inrease market value!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by dipbhattacharya
will be another crap.........every year there are lot of hype and article........only to inrease market value!!!!!!!!!!

Marketing by a PS2 magazine? Seems to me that YOU WANT IT TO BE CRAP...

Originally posted by dipbhattacharya
will be another crap.........every year there are lot of hype and article........only to inrease market value!!!!!!!!!!


Well, the chances do go against it after all the dissapointments year after year, BUT! PSM2 mag has never, ever said that a FIFA game could beat PES, NEVER! They always say it's got a long way to go to beat PES and I was expecting the same again, this is a shock for me to read.

So, I'm expecting a great football game this year with the potential of beating PES, especially with there being quite a few months of development time left, it can only be postivive, but I wonder how EA could screw it up, I simply 'BEG' for them to iron out bugs and get some real testers, because every year some stupid bug comes into the game!!!!!!!! :kader: :(

NK.

same hype.. different yr.

Originally posted by valioso
same hype.. different yr.


I was in the moment then and you took it away! :(

I will never forgive you. :crazyboy:

True, it is hype, all we can do it hope it lives up to it, which I'm afraid the odds are against it.

But the article was very exciting!

NK.

for an english magazine to speak highly about the new game makes me very excited for the upcomming season, everyone knows the english, above anyone else, have really bashed the last few fifa releases.

True Nick, oh and by the way you're not allowed to have the same name as me, it's a rule in the SG forums, I was here first. :crazyboy:

You'll have to change it. ;)

NK.

actually the rules says that whoever is oldest gets to keep the name, and I have you beat by nine months, lol. :D

Originally posted by nickclubman
I was in the moment then and you took it away! :(

I will never forgive you. :crazyboy:

True, it is hype, all we can do it hope it lives up to it, which I'm afraid the odds are against it.

But the article was very exciting!

NK.

you've been here long enough.. fifa producers say the same things every year,,.. the previews all sound great and the game always dissapoints..

"...breathtaking in terms of improvement over last year." Okay, they've said it. Now, if its in fact not the case, who is going to call them to task regarding their credibility?

IOW, might an industry magazine have it in their own interest to hype upcoming product? Did you ever hear from this magazine in previous FIFA years that the upcoming FIFA was going to be ****?

I hope FIFA 2005 is authentic competition in terms of what matters to PES; I like choice. But with FIFA's track record, I think its more likely that the Italian FA will just stand up and say "Hey, we lost," than it is that this year's FIFA is some sort of breakthrough. In fact, I DON'T hope. I'm tired of hoping. I have PES; hope's no longer needed. I predict against it (FIFA 2005 being gameplay reasonable), and if it is in fact a meaningful football game, then we all can be pleasantly surprised.

Originally posted by FKPartizan
actually the rules says that whoever is oldest gets to keep the name, and I have you beat by nine months, lol. :D

:nape: The shame!

I'll play myself a song :boohoo:

































:ewan:

lol,

NK.

Originally posted by valioso
same hype.. different yr.

Same hype? How could it be the "same" when it comes from a magazine who normally laughs and FIFA in comparison to PES.

They must be doing something right. I would be suprised if it is as good as PES though because it would have to be a significant improvement on Euro 2004 in terms of gameplay. But it certainly seems promising.

The problem is............whenever they deliver something good.............they also take away something..........

I'm predicting this to be an enjoyable game. Nowhere near as good/realistic as PES, but a good game none the less.

Originally posted by AndrewC
Same hype? How could it be the "same" when it comes from a magazine who normally laughs and FIFA in comparison to PES.

They must be doing something right. I would be suprised if it is as good as PES though because it would have to be a significant improvement on Euro 2004 in terms of gameplay. But it certainly seems promising.

is only an early preview.. nowhere near a review copy.. so for right now.. same thing.. dif yr

Originally posted by valioso
is only an early preview.. nowhere near a review copy.. so for right now.. same thing.. dif yr

So they're going to spend between now and then trying to make the game worse?

no.. it just may not improve as much as the expect.. falling short again.. if you look at the previews for 04 they all sounded great.. and the game sucked.

Originally posted by valioso
no.. it just may not improve as much as the expect.. falling short again.. if you look at the previews for 04 they all sounded great.. and the game sucked.

Not so great like this ones...

I think that this will b the year that EA gets its act 2gether and make this the soccer game of the year, i also have a question with FIFA it seems to me that the English developers don't put as much passion in the game, the way American developers put into the Madden series why is this u would think that the national sports of each country would be the best game just like the Madden series in the States.

I hope that what the article says is true....
It makes me want to play FIFA2005 immidiatley.

i've been on this forum for a long long time.. I have read a lot of fifa previews.. and every year they get hyped beyond belief just to fall short.. so this yr.. I am going to try to be unfazed until I get the demo.

Originally posted by kwan0023
I think that this will b the year that EA gets its act 2gether and make this the soccer game of the year, i also have a question with FIFA it seems to me that the English developers don't put as much passion in the game, the way American developers put into the Madden series why is this u would think that the national sports of each country would be the best game just like the Madden series in the States.


The FIFA games are made over at EAC (Electronic Arts Canada), in Vancouver.

NK.

which we are going to bust into.


There was a lot of hype this year and the past years. But the gameplay vids look good. The first touch system sounds good.
As long as there is not a crap load of bugs i think this game will be great.

Originally posted by nickclubman
The FIFA games are made over at EAC (Electronic Arts Canada), in Vancouver.

NK.

he wasnt talking about where its made, he was talking about who makes it... Isaac and alot of others are European and the Americans/canadians make most the other EA Sports games and they have no competition, no bugs and have the best game on the market.... He's just wondering why the developers for FIFA havent been able to do this thats all. Maybe its time to re-think who develops FIFA if FIFA 2005 turns into another disaster and get some Europeans/Americans/Canadians who know what they are doing.

I think fifa is a far more complicated game than madden.. and madden hasnt really changed much in gameplay over the last 4 yrs, using the same engine, while fifa decided to build a new engine for 03 and there are far more basic flaws with the fifa series they need to work on before the start adding all the flash and superficial stuff that the other games have.

Originally posted by LilPlayaJosh
he wasnt talking about where its made, he was talking about who makes it... Isaac and alot of others are European and the Americans/canadians make most the other EA Sports games and they have no competition, no bugs and have the best game on the market.... He's just wondering why the developers for FIFA havent been able to do this thats all. Maybe its time to re-think who develops FIFA if FIFA 2005 turns into another disaster and get some Europeans/Americans/Canadians who know what they are doing.


It's all the leagues and players', all that authenticity, it makes it hard to iron out all bugs and add great BIG features.

Madden isn't as complex of a game.

NK.

Football is far more complex a game to reproduce than American 'Football'. American 'Football' is quite a linear game, full of set-pieces and 'dead time'. Stop-start...stop-start... stop-start... Oh yeah, what a phenominal game!

Madden 2004 is a superficial 'show boating' game, with very little substance to it. I think the FIFA developers are far more accomplished than the Madden ones. Superficiality may appeal to people in the USA, but the British/Canadian and European developers, try to add substance to FIFA. Look at TCM 2004- an extraordinary game. It's great that one can 'fuse' the two games together.

NHL 2004 is a really well produced game, but Ice Hockey is easier than Football to replicate.

FIFA 2004 may not be the most faith reproduction of the 'beautiful game', but it's far more enjoyable to play online than Madden!!

As for FIFA 2005... I've learned not to believe the hyperbole, and wait for the actual game! Either way, and with the Exception of FIFA 2002, I've enjoyed playing FIFA 2001/2003/2004 online. I enjoyed FIFA 2001 and 2003 the most though...

The last thing I want to see is programmers/developers from the USA, interfering in a game that they know very little about!

Originally posted by Davilton

The last thing I want to see is programmers/developers from the USA, interfering in a game that they know very little about!

Thats a very ignorant statement.. just because someone is from the USA, does not mean they automatically know nothing about real football.

I wouldnt call Madden very superficial since it has one of the deepest franchise modes around.. and if you dont understand the sport then it may seem superficial.. I agree is set pieces all the time, but there are variables to it as well..

.. just because someone is from the USA, does not mean they automatically know nothing about real football.

Yes, I made a sweeping generalisation; but countless generalisations from USA citizens go unchecked on here...

There are many people of British and European descent in the USA, who know a lot about (real) football, of course.

Originally posted by Davilton

The last thing I want to see is programmers/developers from the USA, interfering in a game that they know very little about!


Yeah keep telling yourself that you ignorant ass, I mean I'd rather have the best programers in the world whether US/Canadian or where ever than average programers who have a high soccer IQ... hopefully this year they will prove me wrong with FIFA 2005.

Originally posted by LilPlayaJosh
Yeah keep telling yourself that you ignorant ass, I mean I'd rather have the best programers in the world whether US/Canadian or where ever than average programers who have a high soccer IQ... hopefully this year they will prove me wrong with FIFA 2005.

I said nothing derogatory about Canadians. I am actually from Victoria, BC. Not too far from a certain subsiduary of...

I'm expecting 2005 to be a big improvement from 2004.

Originally posted by HalfLife
I'm expecting 2005 to be a big improvement from 2004.

Let's hope so! Hopefully they'll produce a game that feels somewhat less scripted, rather like PES 3.

Originally posted by Davilton
Football is far more complex a game to reproduce than American 'Football'. American 'Football' is quite a linear game, full of set-pieces and 'dead time'. Stop-start...stop-start... stop-start... Oh yeah, what a phenominal game!

Madden 2004 is a superficial 'show boating' game, with very little substance to it. I think the FIFA developers are far more accomplished than the Madden ones. Superficiality may appeal to people in the USA, but the British/Canadian and European developers, try to add substance to FIFA. Look at TCM 2004- an extraordinary game. It's great that one can 'fuse' the two games together.

NHL 2004 is a really well produced game, but Ice Hockey is easier than Football to replicate.

FIFA 2004 may not be the most faith reproduction of the 'beautiful game', but it's far more enjoyable to play online than Madden!!

As for FIFA 2005... I've learned not to believe the hyperbole, and wait for the actual game! Either way, and with the Exception of FIFA 2002, I've enjoyed playing FIFA 2001/2003/2004 online. I enjoyed FIFA 2001 and 2003 the most though...

The last thing I want to see is programmers/developers from the USA, interfering in a game that they know very little about!

This might be the largest set of incorrect sentences assembled since...well, since George Bush last cobbled together some Bushenglish in his last speech wherever he was...

Let's take these point by point.

(1) Replicating American football, in terms of individual AI, motion-capture, etc. is not harder, or easier, than replicating world football. Just as the latter presents challenges in terms of the continuous flow or ending movement of the game, the former asks for AI resultants of complex endeavours such as a swim move from a lineman, or a screen pass. Don't play yourself; Tiburon is working to reflect authentic American football, down to the differences in momentum relative to coefficients of sliding and starting friction on wet, muddy dry, turf and normal grass surfaces, and that is reflected in the code. FIFA Canada hasn't come close to sniffing that level of development, quite simply because the FIFA team lack both the capability and the will, or we'd have seen it by now instead of the trademarked gimmicks we see year in and year out.

(2) To say that Madden 2004 has "very little substance to it" tells me without question you haven't played it, or you've played a Madden in an alternate universe; the Madden 2004 game in THIS universe is the most immersive sports gaming experience available, period. From the owner level, on down, salary caps, stadium concession pricing, staidum construction, 30-year franchise mode, and this has NOTHING to do with the gameplay, which Tiburon mastered first, and keeps building upon. I'd specifically like you to demonstrate how the features of FIFA, or any other sports game, match up with the features of Madden 2004. In fact, I'll send you $20 via PayPal if you can demonstrate ANY FIFA of ANY year that has 75% of the features and options of Madden 2004.

(3) What's funny is that within the corridors of EA, worldwide, ALL the developers look to Tiburon and the Madden series as THE template for how games are developed. They did when I was in the industry (with Sega GameWorks LLC), and they do even moreso now. Hell, developers like Midway (NFL BLitz) looked to Tiburon as the standard when they were making stand-up ARCADE sporting games. SO to say that Madden is a "superficial" experience is not only to debase the development of Madden, but to refute the very sensibility and opinion of the vast majority of EAs own staff, and the gaming world.

(4) Its good that you've learned NOT to beleive the hype about FIFA games; that's one of the few cogent points you make here. What's interesting is your focus on online play, which of course is one of the spectrum of things that a game can do well, or do poorly, but certainly is no measure at all of whether or not a game fairly represents the sports it endeavours to reflect.

(5) Folks in the USA (where I'm from myself) who claim to know about soccer usually end up knowing ALOT about soccer (and please, no comments about the use of the word "soccer"...Gavin Hamilton's London-edited monthly magazine is named that (WORLD SOCCER), and its British-based and Brit-foucsed...), because its so hard to be a part of the world football community in America (relative to info on baseball, gridiron and basketball) that an American enthusiast must work VERY hard (even with the internet) to join the global community. I know that as a former department head of CONCACAF and a delegate for the confederation to the 2002 World Cup, that your rating of the supposed knowledge of Europeans and others over American enthusiasts is exaggerated, to say the least, especiially at the highest level. The reality I've found is that, worldwide, there is a slice of folk who know alot about world football, a large swath who know a little, and an even larger group who know nothing. This is true in every country; the US total numbers are lower than Europe, to be sure, but the percentage breakdown is all the same.

I hope that you will take me up on my paypal offer; I'd love for you to try and demonstrate that with a comparative features list (ANY fifa versus Madden 2004). You'll find that, in terms of FIFA's development, you and I have been comprehensively short-changed, on a yearly basis, ever since FIFA RTWC 98 - FIFA 99.

It's a sad state that should change; only the presence of PES on the PC and in North America (WE7I) is doing that. Let's sit back and observe FIFA 2005, but I'll bet that the fundamental change wil lcome, if it comes at all, in the 2006 year, not this one.

But we shall see.

In addition, IMO, Madden 2004 and Madden 2005 (descirbed below) reflect what one can focus on when the FUNDAMENTALS of gameplay are MASTERED AND CODED FIRST...sick update on game/experience features…full article and pics here:

http://pc.ign.com/articles/522/522954p1.html



#1 - Storyline Central
After last years Ownership Mode implementations, it didn't seem like Madden's Franchise Mode could get any deeper or better, but man that assumption was dead wrong. Enter Storyline Central, the second phase in the ever-evolving Franchise Mode.

Every player has a story, each player has personality, wants, desires, and problems. Storyline Central turns a bunch of names and numbers into some semblance of real people. The two main components of Storyline Central is the Tony Bruno radio show, which can be listened to each weak. This is full on audio with Tony Bruno talking about events in the football world, asking for trivia, and even talking to football stars -- many of whom are voiced by their real-world counterparts. That's right, you'll be listening to the radio while adjusting your lineup for the week and suddenly Ray Lewis calls in the complain about how unhappy he is this season. Holy f'ing crap. And to think, that's just the surface of Storyline Central.

Along with the radio show (which can be switch to music if you prefer), there's also the weekly papers. You'll get both national and local newspapers offering headlines on the biggest games of the week and revealing player emotions. This season you'll need to fully manage your full squad of players -- their egos, their failures, and their successes. A player may come right out and criticize the team in the paper or you may read a report about player grumblings. And all of this comes with pics as well, making the newspapers basically a much more advanced take on the Sports Illustrated offering found in NCAA Football.

All sorts of other useful info can be found on your PDA with coaches and players offering up thoughts week to week. You'll also find a Positional Battle selection in the menu, which shows the level of competitiveness within your club for specific positions. In other words, you can now see how the starting QB and backup match-up each week. If you should bench a player more deserving of the starting position, you may hurt team morale. What's this -- team morale? Oh yeah, there's that too. Everything is an immensely intricate balancing act.

Players are individuals, like I said, and you can name team captains and even designate Franchise players. Wow. But more importantly there are marquee players. These are players like Donovan McNabb, Peyton Manning, or Junior Seau. Adding marquee players to your roster increases team morale, but more importantly it can entice free agents to sign with you and will help ticket sales. Think of the Cardinals. They signed Emmitt Smith an immediately they began selling more merchandise and more tickets. Some teams, like the 49ers will have no marquee players, while others may have three or more. The marquee status changes from year to year so that Phillip Rivers can eventually become a household name.



#2 - Defensive Playmaker
Hot routes for the offense became the big thing a couple of years ago. Send your primary receiving on a fly pattern if you see a hole in coverage, you know the drill. There's a lot you can do on offense and that remains true this year, however EA has leveled the playing field a bit by allowing for Defensive Playmaker Control, which essentially allows you to set individual defensive hot routes for every player on the field.

Defensive Playmaker can be used for overall D-Line shifts. Call for an outside rush, crash middle, or slant right or left. Linebackers can audible into hook zones, an all out blitz, or you can have the left or right outside linebacker blitz. That's nice and works easily enough, but the true test is when you start giving hot routes to specific DBs. Select specific DBs (this also works for linebackers in coverage) and you can switch who they're covering. Have them back off a receiver at the line, press the receiver, or double the receiver if there are safeties in zone coverage. You can also call for more general DB moves, like having defenders in man coverage line up with the receivers they're covering or even have defenders fake the blitz before dropping back into coverage.

It all sounds complex and at first it's a bit difficult to grasp. Once I had it figured out, it didn't take long to realize this was one of the greatest equalizers in all of competitive play. If you are observant and have a good sense of what your buddy is trying to run, you can adjust to it quickly. He'll be busy calling his own hot routes, so you should have time to cycle through yours. It turns into a mini-game as two players try to quickly adjust both defense and offense. You can screw yourself, as I saw happen a few times. You can get caught in the middle of adjusting and end up leaving a wideout uncovered, but those are the risks of trying to create a bulletproof defense.

Defensive Playmaker is where it is at for Madden gameplay this year. While it can be completely ignored and the game still enjoyed, those who take the time to learn the new moves should be very happy with the results. A lot of what Madden is doing this year is more in terms of tuning -- with defensive AI aggressiveness increased and better AI all around -- but this is one aspect that is very visible, easy to use (after a slight learning curve), and well-implemented within the flow of the game. Awesome stuff.



#3 - Hit Stick
Boom-shocka-lacka! Hard hits are one of the best things about football. Think about it. You can be chillin' on the sofa with your buddy, drinkin' a beer and casually watching the game, chatting about that girl who won't give you the time of day and then -- BAM! -- Ray Lewis lays out Terrell Owens with the type of hit normal men never recover from. Your attention snaps to the TV, your hand already on the remote, rewinding (thank you TiVo!) and watching again and again and again in slow motion. Big hits are as great as a touchdown, an interception, or a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader.

Now with Madden 2005 you have full control over the biggest hits in the game. On defense, flick the Right Thumbstick towards the player and your player will try and cream them. This works head on, when trying to smack the smile off a receiver going across the middle, or from the side, especially effective for trying a shoulder charge to bounce the ball carrier out of bounds.

It's not an automatic thing, however. You need to nail your timing when using the Hit Stick. It takes a few tries to get used to -- which is why there are preseason games, ya know -- but once you have a handle on the Hit Stick, it's a powerful weapon. No matter how good you are with timing, however, there will still be moments when you'll miss a hit. It's impossible to get every single tackle with the Hit Stick, making for a nice balance of risk/reward. The risk is missing the tackle and giving the ball carrier a chance to run to the house. The reward is that you can cause fumbles more easily with big hits and there are animations that can only be seen when you smack someone hard in the mouth.

While it seems obvious that the Hit Stick is going to be great for tackling, I found that it was more effective for creaming receivers across the middle. It's a very big risk to go for the monster hit on a receiver about to catch the ball, because if you miss, it's pretty much daylight unless you are lucky enough to have the secondary in position to back you up. But success means a vicious hit on the receiver, making it almost impossible to hold onto the ball. And you know, once that ball is in the air, it could just land in your linebacker's mitts.

Yup, the Hit Stick is a big hit.



#4 - Create-A-Fan
While NCAA Football 2005 has a cool Create-A-Sign option, big brother Madden goes a step further, allowing gamers to create their own fan. That's right, you get to make your own cheering moron from, literally, thousands of possible combinations. Your created fan -- sorry, but you can only make a single fan -- shows up in cut-scenes at home games as part of the cheering thrown. The fan supports all of the various fan animations too, so however you dress this gridiron diehard, he'll have a full range of cut-scene possibilities.

There are tons of options to create a very unique fan. There are different team unis to try out or your beer-belly buddy can go bare-chested. If you choose this option, make sure your team plays somewhere cold, like Green Bay or Chicago, so he can show true spirit cheering half-naked in the snow. And be certain to give him some sort of painted design on his chest, because that's how you get on TV.

The options don't end with jerseys. You can customize all manner of your fan, from headwear right down to what they hold in their hand. In the end, we had Benny the Bengal fan in full Bengal jersey with a mascot's head covering his grey fro and sunglasses. And sure enough, Benny was around to wave his hotdog as the Bengal's drove down the field for an inevitable turnover. Oh Benny, don't cry.

I like that EA has realized that it's not enough to merely adjust player stats and appearance. After all, there's way more you can do with a fan and all of the merchandise you throw on him gives the appearance that you're doing incredibly well in Ownership Mode. I wish that it was possible to make all four of the dorks that celebrate in he close-up cut-scenes of Madden, but having one is still cool. And heck, whether it's Benny of the Bengal's or Captain Morgan of the Niners, you'll always have the most stylish player in the stands.



#5 - Online Play
EA has yet to give the full details for online, but we do know it will be playable online for both PS2, Xbox, and PC. That's awesome for those three, but too bad for those three GameCube owners eager to play Madden online. Xbox Live support is, of course, a very big deal, but it remains just as important for PS2 owners. No, Xbox and PS2 players can't intermingle, but at least they can share in the same experience.

We do know that online support will include tournament play for up to 32 teams or a quick tourney option for 4-8 teams. The real-time ticker will also return, showing scores of real games and games of people on your Friend's list. Leagues haven't been announced, but expect it. What I dig most is the inclusion of the mini-games for online play. It's not really clear how all that is going to function, but I'm game for some training camp drills with by buddies.

Of all sports games, football makes the most sense for online, at least in my eyes, so I'm jazzed that Madden is finally on Xbox Live. I love ESPN Football, but truth be told, Madden has always been about playing with a buddy and I expect that the online translation will go a long way to making me feel like I'm cursing on the couch with my friends from San Diego, even if I'm playing them from the comfort of my home is San Francisco.

EA is planning to give the full skinny on online very, very soon with the promise of some things we don't know about yet, so look for that. It should be interesting.


This is the level of competence and commitment defectors from the FIFA series like myself have been expecting, given EA's clear proficiency in Madden, and even Live and NHL, and you can even say (if we're talking relative progress) MVP Baseball (as opposed to the abysmal "Triple Play" efforts).

We want the total football experience, but you cannot begin with BS features (that you give and take away from year to year)...you must begin with gameplay, and build on it from there.

Originally posted by Mel Brennan
In addition, IMO, Madden 2004 and Madden 2005 (descirbed below) reflect what one can focus on when the FUNDAMENTALS of gameplay are MASTERED AND CODED FIRST...sick update on game/experience features…full article and pics here:

http://pc.ign.com/articles/522/522954p1.html



[i]#1 - Storyline Central
After last years Ownership Mode implementations, it didn't seem like Madden's Franchise Mode could get any deeper or better, but man that assumption was dead wrong. Enter Storyline Central, the second phase in the ever-evolving Franchise Mode.

Every player has a story, each player has personality, wants, desires, and problems. Storyline Central turns a bunch of names and numbers into some semblance of real people. The two main components of Storyline Central is the Tony Bruno radio show, which can be listened to each weak. This is full on audio with Tony Bruno talking about events in the football world, asking for trivia, and even talking to football stars -- many of whom are voiced by their real-world counterparts. That's right, you'll be listening to the radio while adjusting your lineup for the week and suddenly Ray Lewis calls in the complain about how unhappy he is this season. Holy f'ing crap. And to think, that's just the surface of Storyline Central.

Along with the radio show (which can be switch to music if you prefer), there's also the weekly papers. You'll get both national and local newspapers offering headlines on the biggest games of the week and revealing player emotions. This season you'll need to fully manage your full squad of players -- their egos, their failures, and their successes. A player may come right out and criticize the team in the paper or you may read a report about player grumblings. And all of this comes with pics as well, making the newspapers basically a much more advanced take on the Sports Illustrated offering found in NCAA Football.

All sorts of other useful info can be found on your PDA with coaches and players offering up thoughts week to week. You'll also find a Positional Battle selection in the menu, which shows the level of competitiveness within your club for specific positions. In other words, you can now see how the starting QB and backup match-up each week. If you should bench a player more deserving of the starting position, you may hurt team morale. What's this -- team morale? Oh yeah, there's that too. Everything is an immensely intricate balancing act.

Players are individuals, like I said, and you can name team captains and even designate Franchise players. Wow. But more importantly there are marquee players. These are players like Donovan McNabb, Peyton Manning, or Junior Seau. Adding marquee players to your roster increases team morale, but more importantly it can entice free agents to sign with you and will help ticket sales. Think of the Cardinals. They signed Emmitt Smith an immediately they began selling more merchandise and more tickets. Some teams, like the 49ers will have no marquee players, while others may have three or more. The marquee status changes from year to year so that Phillip Rivers can eventually become a household name.





now why cant we have something like this?:(


Maybe its because there are so many players its not possible.
Still:(

Originally posted by Mel Brennan
This might be the largest set of incorrect sentences assembled since...well, since George Bush last cobbled together some Bushenglish in his last speech wherever he was...



I had to 'cut' the rest, in order to help soccergaming.tv preserve its precious bandwidth.

Now, where should I begin...

1) Please, don't use a light-hearted internationally used forum, to pontificate in such a patronising manner. Your diatribe is largely based upon partisan, personal opinion- not statements of fact. Go easy on the thesaurus also!

2) Construct your postings in such a way, as to not exclude people who's 'mother tongue' isn't English.

3) This isn't really the place to demonstrate your 'book smarts': Spare me the amateur Physics/Mechanics lessons too.

4) Don't give up your day job, I think Geoffrey Chaucer can rest in his grave peacefully...

Thank-you.

Originally posted by Mel Brennan
In addition, IMO, Madden 2004 and Madden 2005 (descirbed below) reflect what one can focus on when the FUNDAMENTALS of gameplay are MASTERED AND CODED FIRST...sick update on game/experience features…


#3 - Hit Stick
Boom-shocka-lacka! Hard hits are one of the best things about football. Think about it. You can be chillin' on the sofa with your buddy...

Who is this article aimed at, crack dealers in da 'hood??

Originally posted by Davilton
I had to 'cut' the rest, in order to help soccergaming.tv preserve its precious bandwidth.

Now, where should I begin...

1) Please, don't use a light-hearted internationally used forum, to pontificate in such a patronising manner. Your diatribe is largely based upon partisan, personal opinion- not statements of fact. Go easy on the thesaurus also!

2) Construct your postings in such a way, as to not exclude people who's 'mother tongue' isn't English.

3) This isn't really the place to demonstrate your 'book smarts': Spare me the amateur Physics/Mechanics lessons too.

4) Don't give up your day job, I think Geoffrey Chaucer can rest in his grave peacefully...

Thank-you.

Whoa. Easy. If you're not interested in what I have to say, then move on. but to bother to submit something like the above - an often-grammatically incorrect take on my use of grammar and vocab, which in and of itself, content-wise, is either defensive posting, or patronising all by itself (i.e., why are you the only one posting such a response, so focused on my use of language?) - is a waste of your time, and mine.

Can you address either the FIFA 2005 article, or my post's particular points? If you can, fine. If not, well, I'l just continue to enjoy the simple truth that you define nothing here, and thus folks can engage the topics they see fit, to the extent they see fit, by posting HOW they see fit, regardless of your fear, self-consciousness, or mooncalfishness.

Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis
exponebantur ad necem. Vah! Denuone Latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur...

Originally posted by Davilton
Who is this article aimed at, crack dealers in da 'hood??

This post, to me, demonstrates how you're looking to (fail to) contribute to the dialogue. You're nothing to me now. Iggy.

im with iggy on this one......i dont trust the old u.s. of a. when it comes to anything footie related.....come to think about it, i dont trust canadians either.....i mean, what could people from canadia know about footie......im not talkin about the rules or anythiing like that......

when footie isnt the main sport in your country, then there is only so much you can learn about it yourself....most of the stuff i know (which isnt that much) has come from people around me or experts on television or radio...footie just doesnt receive the same attention accross the pond

i know i may have offended a few people (i can just see loads of canadians and americans sweating over their computers while reading this, getting ready to send the most profane, abusive post in the history of the world) but listen closely............who would u prefer to develop an american football game....the us or the british.....the former of course.......now what about a footie game? QED

Originally posted by turnandcough
im with iggy on this one......i dont trust the old u.s. of a. when it comes to anything footie related.....come to think about it, i dont trust canadians either.....i mean, what could people from canadia know about footie......im not talkin about the rules or anythiing like that......

when footie isnt the main sport in your country, then there is only so much you can learn about it yourself....most of the stuff i know (which isnt that much) has come from people around me or experts on television or radio...footie just doesnt receive the same attention accross the pond

i know i may have offended a few people (i can just see loads of canadians and americans sweating over their computers while reading this, getting ready to send the most profane, abusive post in the history of the world) but listen closely............who would u prefer to develop an american football game....the us or the british.....the former of course.......now what about a footie game? QED

you do realize the programmers are not all canadian or american right?

Originally posted by Mel Brennan
Whoa. Easy. If you're not interested in what I have to say, then move on. but to bother to submit something like the above - an often-grammatically incorrect take on my use of grammar and vocab, which in and of itself, content-wise, is either defensive posting, or patronising all by itself (i.e., why are you the only one posting such a response, so focused on my use of language?) - is a waste of your time, and mine.

Can you address either the FIFA 2005 article, or my post's particular points? If you can, fine. If not, well, I'l just continue to enjoy the simple truth that you define nothing here, and thus folks can engage the topics they see fit, to the extent they see fit, by posting HOW they see fit, regardless of your fear, self-consciousness, or mooncalfishness.

Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis
exponebantur ad necem. Vah! Denuone Latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur...

Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum.

Originally posted by turnandcough
im with iggy on this one......i dont trust the old u.s. of a. when it comes to anything footie related.....come to think about it, i dont trust canadians either.....i mean, what could people from canadia know about footie......im not talkin about the rules or anythiing like that......

when footie isnt the main sport in your country, then there is only so much you can learn about it yourself....most of the stuff i know (which isnt that much) has come from people around me or experts on television or radio...footie just doesnt receive the same attention accross the pond

i know i may have offended a few people (i can just see loads of canadians and americans sweating over their computers while reading this, getting ready to send the most profane, abusive post in the history of the world) but listen closely............who would u prefer to develop an american football game....the us or the british.....the former of course.......now what about a footie game? QED

The lead developer is British, I've been lead to believe...

Originally posted by turnandcough
im with iggy on this one......i dont trust the old u.s. of a. when it comes to anything footie related.....come to think about it, i dont trust canadians either.....i mean, what could people from canadia know about footie......im not talkin about the rules or anythiing like that......

when footie isnt the main sport in your country, then there is only so much you can learn about it yourself....most of the stuff i know (which isnt that much) has come from people around me or experts on television or radio...footie just doesnt receive the same attention accross the pond

i know i may have offended a few people (i can just see loads of canadians and americans sweating over their computers while reading this, getting ready to send the most profane, abusive post in the history of the world) but listen closely............who would u prefer to develop an american football game....the us or the british.....the former of course.......now what about a footie game? QED

Iggy's not a debasement; I'm not name calling. It's short for "ignore," as in "You're now on my ignore list." Time-wasters are legion here, and notorious for not advancing the dialogue.

As regards your point, I'm an American living in Scotland, and working/traveling throughout Europe, and I know/have met alot of people who know ****-all about football who live here. Either you know something about the sport, or you don't. Either you know something about translating it to the gaming environment, or you don't...regardless of where you live. Agree, or no?

I don't care if the makers of Madden live in Switzerlad and drink sparkling mineral water at three-hour Lake Zurich lunches...if they understand football, and how to translate that understanding to the gaming environment, who cares?

That being said, EA Canada's admittedly diverse, international, and EUROPEAN-headed development team have failed. This team would have failed were they based in Canada or in offices in Chelsea Village. They just do not have the overarching vision to take the concept to its next evolutionary jump; that's why they tack on coded bs twists to, essentially, the same gameplay since FIFA 2000 (I would even say FIFA 99); they don't have the capability, or the will, or both, to scrap an obviously flawed engine, and create a new one. They cannot do it, they will not do it, or both.

Originally posted by Mel Brennan
Iggy's not a debasement; I'm not name calling. It's short for "ignore," as in "You're now on my ignore list." Time-wasters are legion here, and notorious for not advancing the dialogue.

As regards your point, I'm an American living in Scotland, and working/traveling throughout Europe, and I know/have met a lot of people who know ****-all about football who live here. Either you know something about the sport, or you don't. Either you know something about translating it to the gaming environment, or you don't...regardless of where you live. Agree, or no?



He asks me whether I agree or no(t) (Scottish colloquialism/dialect?), yet he has quite childishly added me to his 'ignore' list. I bet he'd say that it was a rhetorical question though. :/ How on earth did he manage to see my response then- telepathy??

It's interesting to note that a supposed American, spelled 'dialogue' the British English way...
Oh... Time-wasters are legion here

eh?

The fact of the matter is that the yearly FIFA incarnations, are invariably enjoyable to play online. It's a GAME, not a coaching-class simulation of the real thing; if you crave total realism- go and play on a pitch!!
The EA FIFA team should be applauded for their efforts- if the game was so bad- hardly anyone would have purchased it!

Originally posted by Davilton
The lead developer is British, I've been lead to believe...


Yes, Danny Isaac. Ishan1990 and I were going to break into EAC and take the beta copy of FIFA 2005, but sadly the idea of dressing up as Michael Jackson to scare the guards didn't seem to go nowhere and the overall idea was kind of out there, I just hope whoever deleted our posts didn't take the information for themselves, because that sh!t is full proof, don't want these SG mods to be getting hold of beta's using our plans, that just won't do!!!! :f***: :nape:

NK.




:rofl:

"Iggy's not a debasement; I'm not name calling. It's short for "ignore," as in "You're now on my ignore list.."

i know....i just thought it would be fun to call him iggy

is this some sort of grammer correction forum cos thats the vibe im gettin and me dont like it(go on, correct it)

bottom line is that ea arent doin their job properly.....as mr kokoro said, it really doesnt matter where they are from, as long is the game is of good quality( pats mr kokora on back)...unfortunately fifa has been on holidays from 'good quality' city since 98 but im hoping that it will return to tis home in 05

the reassuring thing now is that if fifa sucks(highly probable) there is always pes( i was converted this year and oh dear god am i glad of it)

Originally posted by turnandcough
...bottom line is that ea arent doin their job properly...

That is the bottom line, isn't it? I agree. Again, with PES, it doesn't really matter what EA does; if FIFA 2005 is worth spit, it'll be a nice surprise. But I don't think they've earned day-of-launch purchases from anyone like you or I, who've been playing FIFA for so long.

PES, OTOH, well, they've earned pre-order commitment.

Originally posted by turnandcough
"Iggy's not a debasement; I'm not name calling. It's short for "ignore," as in "You're now on my ignore list.."

i know....i just thought it would be fun to call him iggy



Hahahahaha...hahahaha...hahaha...hahaha...ha! I still haven't recovered after being referred to as 'iggy'- highly hilarious and imaginative! Oh dear... here I go again...Hahahahaha...hahahaha...hahaha...hahaha... ha!

Iggy! Errr... Hahahahaha...hahahaha...hahaha...hahaha...ha!

Originally posted by Mel Brennan


PES, OTOH, well, they've earned pre-order commitment.

I'm sure the Konami programmers will sleep tonight!

Most older gamers realise the PES 3 is far superior to FIFA 2004 in terms of realism- big 'wow'! FIFA 2004 is still fun to play online though, and it would be ridiculous for EA to try to somehow 'clone' the PES gameplay formula.

Originally posted by nickclubman
Yes, Danny Isaac. Ishan1990 and I were going to break into EAC and take the beta copy of FIFA 2005, but sadly the idea of dressing up as Michael Jackson to scare the guards didn't seem to go nowhere and the overall idea was kind of out there, I just hope whoever deleted our posts didn't take the information for themselves, because that sh!t is full proof, don't want these SG mods to be getting hold of beta's using our plans, that just won't do!!!! :f***: :nape:

NK.




:rofl:

Don't worry, I don't live far away from EAC- I'll get you a copy! ;-)

Originally posted by Davilton
Don't worry, I don't live far away from EAC- I'll get you a copy! ;-)


Sweet! :rockman:

:crazyboy:


NK.

i dont live far from it either.
I live in Northern USA (Which kinda SUCKS) you can fly over here NK.

The michael jackson thing wasn't a bad idea. It would have scared the **** out of the guards.

I think we all got a bit off topic here:crazyboy:


Who cares?:confused:

i never said it would be funNY to call you iggy.....just fun, for me anyway.... i know i had a great time doin it, iggy (hehehe.....its still fun).....its better than calling you davilton......nobody's named Davilton

"I'm sure the Konami programmers will sleep tonight!

Most older gamers realise the PES 3 is far superior to FIFA 2004 in terms of realism- big 'wow'! FIFA 2004 is still fun to play online though, and it would be ridiculous for EA to try to somehow 'clone' the PES gameplay formula."

lets clear this up....when u say fifa 04 is fun to play online, does that mean it provides alot of hahaha's for you like when i call u iggy. iggy, or does it just mean fun in the truest sense of the word........your definition of 'fun' confuses me

that sentence with 'big wow' at the end is easily a candidate for worst sentence ever....the essence of a footie game is realsim......thats like sayin 'so women have breasts......big wow'......you just dont say that......to even defend fifa cos its fun to play online is nothing short of a travesty....

im not suggesting they clone pes...im just sayin they should make a realistic footie game.....cant we have two realistic footie games on the market? of course we can.......unfortunately, i can only see there being one, and it doesnt contain the word fifa in its title(unless pes changes its name to something with the word fifa in it).....i really hope im wrong though.....i really do, iggy(hehehe)

Originally posted by ishan1990
i dont live far from it either.
I live in Northern USA (Which kinda SUCKS) you can fly over here NK.

The michael jackson thing wasn't a bad idea. It would have scared the **** out of the guards.

I think we all got a bit off topic here:crazyboy:


Who cares?:confused:



They don’t mind if it goes off topic, they do a quiet job of deleting our well-thought out, extremely relevant (probably most relevant posts you’ll ever read in a SG forum, or any other forums for that matter, EVER again) posts and I’m sure they’re laughing at us right now, dressed as Michael Jackson, moon walking around while gripping their PS2 controllers playing FIFA 2005. :nape:


And I’m just saying PS2 controllers, we don’t know what they’re gripping, after all they’re dressed as Michael Jackson! :|

:ewan: Hi mods, didn’t see you there.


NK.

Originally posted by turnandcough
i never said it would be funNY to call you iggy.....just fun, for me anyway.... i know i had a great time doin it, iggy (hehehe.....its still fun).....its better than calling you davilton......nobody's named Davilton

"I'm sure the Konami programmers will sleep tonight!

Most older gamers realise the PES 3 is far superior to FIFA 2004 in terms of realism- big 'wow'! FIFA 2004 is still fun to play online though, and it would be ridiculous for EA to try to somehow 'clone' the PES gameplay formula."

lets clear this up....when u say fifa 04 is fun to play online, does that mean it provides alot of hahaha's for you like when i call u iggy. iggy, or does it just mean fun in the truest sense of the word........your definition of 'fun' confuses me

that sentence with 'big wow' at the end is easily a candidate for worst sentence ever....the essence of a footie game is realsim......thats like sayin 'so women have breasts......big wow'......you just dont say that......to even defend fifa cos its fun to play online is nothing short of a travesty....

im not suggesting they clone pes...im just sayin they should make a realistic footie game.....cant we have two realistic footie games on the market? of course we can.......unfortunately, i can only see there being one, and it doesnt contain the word fifa in its title(unless pes changes its name to something with the word fifa in it).....i really hope im wrong though.....i really do, iggy(hehehe)

Splendid! Just keep taking the tablets, if it doesn't clear up by the end of the week, consult a medical practitioner.

Which game would you play then? If they wereboth realistic, then surely they'd cancel each other out. Many people are put off by PES's adherence to realism, you can't just knock the ball about and do well. FIFA is by far the bigger franchise in terms of volume of sales, it has to appeal to a much wider audience: Some people just want to knock the ball around, in an arcade type manner. There is room for at least two different approaches to reproducing the 'beautiful game'.

If you don't like FIFA- it's simple- don't buy it!

you're entitled to your opinion....all i can do is tell you that your opinion is wrong....there is NO room for an arcade footie game....the novelty wears off after a week, fact.....its silly little kids that buy fifa and its silly little kids that think its good and 'fun'

dont get me wrong..above all people, i think this could be a good year for fifa but how many times has that been said before

Originally posted by turnandcough
you're entitled to your opinion....all i can do is tell you that your opinion is wrong....there is NO room for an arcade footie game....the novelty wears off after a week, fact.....its silly little kids that buy fifa and its silly little kids that think its good and 'fun'...

Oh dear, that would make me a 'silly little kid' then;
also my opinion is 'wrong'. It's not my day today...

I'm a big PES 3 fan, it's light years ahead of FIFA 2004 in terms of overall game-play and presentation. I used to love to play FIFA 2003 online, but EA's attempt to make the game more realistic has taken the 'bite' out of it.
I hope they've improved upon the dire 'OTB' control method! Playing FIFA 2004, is rather like wading through treacle. Hopefully FIFA 2005 will be a decidedly less scripted affair.

No room for an arcade-type (emphasis on the word 'type') rendition of football? I beg to differ, so too would thousands of FIFA players I would proffer.

Originally posted by nickclubman
They don’t mind if it goes off topic, they do a quiet job of deleting our well-thought out, extremely relevant (probably most relevant posts you’ll ever read in a SG forum, or any other forums for that matter, EVER again) posts and I’m sure they’re laughing at us right now, dressed as Michael Jackson, moon walking around while gripping their PS2 controllers playing FIFA 2005. :nape:


And I’m just saying PS2 controllers, we don’t know what they’re gripping, after all they’re dressed as Michael Jackson! :|

:ewan: Hi mods, didn’t see you there.


NK.

At least try to make it look realistic- take a couple of young boys (with sore arses) with you!!

"I'm a big PES 3 fan, it's light years ahead of FIFA 2004 in terms of overall game-play and presentation"

a few posts ago you were saying 'big wow' to this.....either you're a hyprocrite or just stupid but either way you're a large type ass head who is beggining to get on my tits....look at this!!!

"FIFA 2004 is still fun to play online though" - Davilton

"I used to love to play FIFA 2003 online, but EA's attempt to make the game more realistic has taken the 'bite' out of it.
I hope they've improved upon the dire 'OTB' control method! Playing FIFA 2004, is rather like wading through treacle" - Davilton

i really dont know wether to give u a hug and tell u you're gonna make it through this or just slap u on the face......i'd ask for an explanation but im a little scared of the consequences....(hugs davilton and tells him he's gonna make it through this)

Originally posted by turnandcough
"I'm a big PES 3 fan, it's light years ahead of FIFA 2004 in terms of overall game-play and presentation"

a few posts ago you were saying 'big wow' to this.....either you're a hyprocrite or just stupid but either way you're a large type ass head who is beggining to get on my tits....look at this!!!

"FIFA 2004 is still fun to play online though" - Davilton

"I used to love to play FIFA 2003 online, but EA's attempt to make the game more realistic has taken the 'bite' out of it.
I hope they've improved upon the dire 'OTB' control method! Playing FIFA 2004, is rather like wading through treacle" - Davilton

i really dont know wether to give u a hug and tell u you're gonna make it through this or just slap u on the face......i'd ask for an explanation but im a little scared of the consequences....(hugs davilton and tells him he's gonna make it through this)

Look, leave your sick homosexual fantasies out of this forum; and stop quoting me out of context. My postings are consistent, unlike your mental health, schizoid-man!

Oh yeah, just try and hug me- and you'll find your teeth in your next bowel movement! As for the slap... hahahahaha... you drama queen b1tch! I tried to be conciliatory, but you are just a self-opinionated little dimwit; incapable of engaging in adult debate.

Come back when you graduate from 8th grade...

Originally posted by Davilton
At least try to make it look realistic- take a couple of young boys (with sore arses) with you!!


:rofl: Now that WOULD be going too far!

NK.

Originally posted by nickclubman
:rofl: Now that WOULD be going too far!

NK.

Yeah, but at least you'll look authentic! Get your face bashed in too, and trap your nose in a vice!

Remember... think 'FREAK'! LOL

Originally posted by Davilton
Yeah, but at least you'll look authentic! Get your face bashed in too, and trap your nose in a vice!

Remember... think 'FREAK'! LOL



hahaha, yeah 'FREAK' is the keywork people! :crazyboy:

EAC won't know what's hitem'

NK.

Originally posted by nickclubman
hahaha, yeah 'FREAK' is the keywork people! :crazyboy:

EAC won't know what's hitem'

NK.

Our first task (if you're up to it mate) is to keep this thread active, and as irrelavent to the original topic as possible- whoever get's it 'closed'... (see below)! LMFHO!


****** STOP PRESS ***************************

Whoever gets it closed- WINS!!

*********************************************

Originally posted by Davilton
Our first task (if you're up to it mate) is to keep this thread active, and as irrelavent to the original topic as possible- whoever get's it 'closed' loses! LMFHO!


It's a deal man (H)
...

Well, personally I think Chocolate Donuts are where it's at, sprinkles aren't my thing, and they just don't do it for me. As we all know this thread was originally entitled "what's your fav' brand on donut"? I was surprised there was no poll, but everyone seems to be tlking about FIFA. They must be confused! Seems there is only you and I who know what we're on about!

whoever changed the name of this thread SMART MOVE, but you ain't fooling me, I'm a f*cking genius!!!!!!!!! :jambo:

Bye for now :ewan:


NK.

Originally posted by nickclubman
It's a deal man (H)
...

Well, personally I think Chocolate Donuts are where it's at, sprinkles aren't my thing, and they just don't do it for me. As we all know this thread was originally entitled "what's your fav' brand on donut"? I was surprised there was no poll, but everyone seems to be tlking about FIFA. They must be confused! Seems there is only you and I who know what we're on about!

whoever changed the name of this thread SMART MOVE, but you ain't fooling me, I'm a f*cking genius!!!!!!!!! :jambo:

Bye for now :ewan:


NK.

Yeah, I wondered the very same thing myself!! I can't believe that some smart arse even went so far as to change the title of the forum!! FIFA 2005?? What's that got to do with healthy eating? Maybe weightwatchers.com has been haxored!! Bloody script kiddies.

I'm here to 'lose 250lbs by the end of the summer'! I was guaranteed a 'six-pack by the end of July- or Britney Spears' hand in marriage'!... Hmmmm, it's sponsored by Coors, eh? Very funny, VERY FUNNY!! My coupon's 'in the mail'!

Now if I can juuuuuusssssssst get my package into these juuuummmmbo undies- I'll be a very happy maaaaaaaannnnnn!! Crrraaap, the elastic's snapped! They just don't make things well these days...

Come on moderators- where's my bloody 28 day meal plan?!

Originally posted by Davilton
Yeah, I wondered the very same thing myself!! I can't believe that some smart arse even went so far as to change the title of the forum!! FIFA 2005?? What's that got to do with healthy eating? Maybe weightwatchers.com has been haxored!! Bloody script kiddies.

I'm here to 'lose 250lbs by the end of the summer'! I was guaranteed a 'six-pack by the end of July- or Britney Spears' hand in marriage'!... Hmmmm, it's sponsored by Coors, eh? Very funny, VERY FUNNY!! My coupon's 'in the mail'!

Now if I can juuuuuusssssssst get my package into these juuuummmmbo undies- I'll be a very happy maaaaaaaannnnnn!! Crrraaap, the elastic's snapped! They just don't make things well these days...

Come on moderators- where's my bloody 28 day meal plan?!


Yes, I want to know what the mods think of these kids changing the names of these threads, trying to confuse us older, more mature, reliable forum members, who just want to discuss Donuts and weight watchers programs. It's smart arse's like these folk that change thread names and think they can talk about some football game we've never heard of, probably by a made up company and just sit their without a guilty conscience. Well! I intend on putting an end to it, who says we make a protest?

I’ll boycott this website if I have to. Anything to get back the original Donuts thread…I miss the in-depth discussions we had.

Bye for now :ewan:

NK.

personally, i prefer colgate.

The other toothpastes just dont do it for me. Colgate is the real stuff. If you dont believe me check this site out.http://www.colgate.com/app/Colgate/US/OralCare/HomePage.cvsp
It'll tell you all you need to know about this revolutionary brand of paste. This will change the way we brush our teeth.

Another breakthrough in oral care comes not from colgate (even though colgate is king) It comes from this http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=1196





Some of you desperately need to heed the advice found on this page http://www.floss.com/bad_breath_self_test.htm

You know who you are



Make sure you keep your mouth in good shape so that it doesn't turn into this
http://www.umanitoba.ca/outreach/wisdomtooth/stagesof.htm
(bottom of page)

I think i won:D

I, for one, am just sleepy, tonight I only slept for like 8 houres
(yeah i know, horrible isn't it). And i like sleeping too, it's fun. The
other day i had a dream about getting in to a robbie williams
concert withouth having a ticket(!) but before he started to sing, i
think it was Tommy Lee Jones or someone who was holding a
speech to Robbie. He said that he was proud of what robbie had
done in his life to contribiute to world peace(didn't know there
was world peace tho...) And then i wake up, before he started
singing, so i was really innoyed at tommy, and i'm going to
boycott him because he's holding too long
speeches :crazyboy: :crazyboy: :crazyboy: :crazyboy:

Originally posted by ishan1990
personally, i prefer colgate.

The other toothpastes just dont do it for me. Colgate is the real stuff. If you dont believe me check this site out.http://www.colgate.com/app/Colgate/US/OralCare/HomePage.cvsp
It'll tell you all you need to know about this revolutionary brand of paste. This will change the way we brush our teeth.

Another breakthrough in oral care comes not from colgate (even though colgate is king) It comes from this http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=1196





Some of you desperately need to heed the advice found on this page http://www.floss.com/bad_breath_self_test.htm

You know who you are



Make sure you keep your mouth in good shape so that it doesn't turn into this
http://www.umanitoba.ca/outreach/wisdomtooth/stagesof.htm
(bottom of page)


I totally agree!

Well, I wonder where all the Pink Elephants went, I've never seen one. :(

You know, I don't smoke, I'm much to into health. We should start a thread asking if people smoke, VERY important and relevant to this forum.

I think I'll go plant some flower seeds and wait for them to grow...who's with me? :crazyboy:

wooo! Nothing like living on the wild side!!! :rockman:

By for now :ewan:

NK.

My favourite Charlie's Angel of all time is 'Kelly' (played by Jacklyn Smith). Phwoooooooooaaaaar!

Originally posted by Davilton
My favourite Charlie's Angel of all time is 'Kelly' (played by Jacklyn Smith). Phwoooooooooaaaaar!


Oh yeah! I've always had a thing for Ms.Kournikova myself, oh-lala!!! :D

NK.

Originally posted by AndrewC
So they're going to spend between now and then trying to make the game worse?




They usually do. You see, if they make the perfect game (if theyre capable) yould prolly be less inclined to buy RTWC06 in 6 monffs.
So they have a bug creation team so that perfeck game never sees light.

Originally posted by nickclubman
Oh yeah! I've always had a thing for Ms.Kournikova myself, oh-lala!!! :D

NK.

Well, I've got a couple of balls in a bag that Miss Kournikova can use for practice. She can develop her backhand on my lob anytime! When she's finished, we can change ends...

dont ye think we're gone a little bit off topic here......the topic being how much of a tit davilton is......eexhibit b

"Look, leave your sick homosexual fantasies out of this forum;" - thats a quote from davilton after i offered him a good old fashioned manly hug

"take a couple of young boys (with sore arses) with you" - another earlir quote by, you've guessed it, davilton.......i think he was describing what u could do if you were going away on your own for a while......not sure though

now THATS quoting out of context

i really dont know what age an eight grader is but i presume they are quite young, so im gonna take offence from that (i just wanted u to know that your little jibe was successful in its aim)

I should have heeded the following maxim: Never argue with a fool - they will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience. -Fool's Law.

how did this get so out off topic? :p