In my opinion the guy is a legend. His lyrics are very influential, and im a big fan of him and almost all his songs. Definetely one of (if not "the") greatest rappers ever.

As far as him still being alive goes, i dont believe he is still alive. Although a lot of evidence suggests he isnt dead, and his funeral, and the way he died and the way it was dealt with, is very perculiar. I just believe his fans are in denial, and they just want him to still be alive. I think the same about Elvis presleys death. So what do you guys think?

Biggy>>>>>>>>>>Tupac

2pac was great because he was so diverse... he made songs about killing his enemies, about teenage pregnancy and about respecting females, etc.

Hit 'em Up is still the greatest track ever! (H)

Legend. :mrpimp:

Originally posted by Vagegast
Hit 'em Up is still the greatest track ever! (H) Yeh, eminem did a version of it too, thats how good it was (H) :mrpimp:

It was Tupac who gave Biggy his break, i dno how anyone can say Biggy is better than him.

Biggie IS NOT better than Tupac.................!!:|

and yes, I agree, Hit em up is defenetely (along with changes and Hail Mary) his best tracks (H)(Y)(Y)(Y)(Y)

A stupid, violent, overrated rapper/thug to me.

a lot of people say he is just a thug
but if you listen to many of his tracks, they are about issues in society
tupac>every rapper that every lived
pure legend

And how the hell do you want rap to be?:confused:
In my opinion, SOME of his beats arent as good as people say, but his lyrics are (Y)(Y)(Y)(Y)(Y)

In general i prefer Eminem to anybody, his lyrics are better than Tupacs i believe, if you listen to some of his un released stuff i believe he is the best in the world. But in my books Tupac comes a very very close second.

Originally posted by italianstyle87
a lot of people say he is just a thug
but if you listen to many of his tracks, they are about issues in society
tupac>every rapper that every lived
pure legend

Exactly. But some people are just too narrow minded.

He is my favorite artist ever, yes im white, no im not a wigger, im as white as can be, my black mates back in school got me into his music and I've been a fan for ten years. He is a poet and a legend. He aint like rappers today, who rap about jewels, money, b!tches, talentless crap, he rapped aout society, his dreams, his life and his child. He didn't wear cheap clothes, he wore smart clothes like Versace suits. I think his best songs are:

1) Thugz Mansion
2) Hit Em Up
3) Do 4 Love
4) Me And My Girlfriend
5) When Thugz Cry
6) Breathin
7) California Love
8) Amerikaz Most Wanted
9) Hell 4 A Hustler
10) Letter 2 My Unborn
11) Last ones Left
12) When We Ride On Our Enemies
13) Until The End Of Time
14) Changes
15) F*** Friendz
16) Changed Man
17) Brenda's Got A Baby
18) Im Losin It
19) Runnin "Em's Version
20) N***** Nature

I think his best album was Until The End Of Time.

Btw he is 100% dead. I have seen the autopsy pics and the reason why his funeral and things seemed odd, was Deathrow records trying to promote his album "7 Day Theory", to get fans thinking. Smart marketting ploy.

I share same Birthday as 2Pac June 16th

R.I.P 2Pac

Originally posted by Spurs4Life
Exactly. But some people are just too narrow minded.

He is my favorite artist ever, yes im white, no im not a wigger, im as white as can be, my black mates back in school got me into his music and I've been a fan for ten years. He is a poet and a legend. He aint like rappers today, who rap about jewels, money, b!tches, talentless crap, he rapped aout society, his dreams, his life and his child. He didn't wear cheap clothes, he wore smart clothes like Versace suits. I think his best songs are:

1) Thugz Mansion
2) Hit Em Up
3) Do 4 Love
4) Me And My Girlfriend
5) When Thugz Cry
6) Breathin
7) California Love
8) Amerikaz Most Wanted
9) Hell 4 A Hustler
10) Letter 2 My Unborn
11) Last ones Left
12) When We Ride On Our Enemies
13) Until The End Of Time

I think his best album was Until The End Of Time.

Btw he is 100% dead. I have seen the autopsy pics and the reason why his funeral and things seemed odd, was Deathrow records trying to promote his album "7 Day Theory", to get fans thinking. Smart marketting ploy.

I share same Birthday as 2Pac June 16th

R.I.P 2Pac:p I 100% agree with that post (Y)

Im also white, and im not a whigger, but im very much into hip hop, but i dont go round thinking im a thug etc. But people dont know Tupac was in numerous poetry circles, and up until being around 15 he attended Ballet, Dance and Drama classes. People just look at his image, look at the titles of some songs, and stereotype him.

All it takes is to watch his movie (Resurrection) Like he says, he just doesnt rap for the black community, he also brings up the topic of his white fans, and i respect him very much for what he says. Because a lot of black rappers can be racist towards whites, and im not into that at all.

Also i like the fact (like spurs4life said) that he doesnt just rap about jewels, money, shooting etc. This is one reason i like Kayne west and Eminem also, Eminem says very clearly in his songs he doesnt believe hes a gangsta, and most rappers arent.

Tupac and B.I.G are great, but nothing to Ahmed Abdul Rasheem Jhonsonn.

Originally posted by Kulixs
I 100% agree with that post (Y)

Im also white, and im not a whigger, but im very much into hip hop, but i dont go round thinking im a thug etc. But people dont know Tupac was in numerous poetry circles, and up until being around 15 he attended Ballet, Dance and Drama classes. People just look at his image, look at the titles of some songs, and stereotype him.

All it takes is to watch his movie (Resurrection) Like he says, he just doesnt rap for the black community, he also brings up the topic of his white fans, and i respect him very much for what he says. Because a lot of black rappers can be racist towards whites, and im not into that at all.

Also i like the fact (like spurs4life said) that he doesnt just rap about jewels, money, shooting etc. This is one reason i like Kayne west and Eminem also, Eminem says very clearly in his songs he doesnt believe hes a gangsta, and most rappers arent.

Yup, alot or Rock fans stereotype him without listening to his music, which in a way can't be blamed seeing how alot of the rappers portray themselves nowadays. 2Pac was clever in so many ways. He wrote songs for when he dies, they will be released and get people thinking Makaveli is real, he even wrote a song to his unborn child about how he had to die saying it's his destiny...that's some deep sh!t.

Like you said he wasn't just reaching out to the black fans, his songs was reaching out to everyone that had it rough, no money, no jobs, he was representing "the block". rappers are racist I agree, which is only hurting there record sales. Eminem sells a sh!t load because he don't exclude no one "million of pac listeners listen up follow me" examples of his lyrics. People don't like the fact he rapped about killing and shootings and stuff, but that shows character, courage and balls to me to comes out and challenge dangerous people.

Some of his songs...yes wasn't flawless compared to say a Nas a Wakim or a Eminem, he had alot of contradictions. But what he has is a Martr status, people who live on the streets and have it rough look up to him and respect him and see him as a Jesus figure and uses his songs to inspire them to get out of the gutter, he is a legend for that, I doubt a Nas or a Em has touched people's lifes like that. He is and always will be a legend, he lyrically wasn't the best, but his overall message was.

In the event of my demise
When My heart can beat no more
I hope I die for a principle or belief
That I have Lived For

2Pac 1992

What do you think of Tupac?

absolutely nothing

i listen mainly to rock, but Tupac is a legend. he wasn't just a thug rapper, he was a poet and an artist.

Originally posted by Kulixs

It was Tupac who gave Biggy his break, i dno how anyone can say Biggy is better than him.

Because Biggy had a better flow. 2 Pac had more "mainstream" appeal. Being mainstream doesn't mean you are better it just means you appeal to the masses.

Anyway, Talib Kweli is better then both of them now. Oh wait, you probably never heard of him.:p

2pac is so overated. The only reason he is as popular as he is today was because he was shot. Then all these people starting saying how great he was because he was killed. He wasn't nearly this popular when he was alive so why is he so great now that he is dead?

Also it seems like everything that is being released under his name now sucks. Thugz Mansion was awful. If Tupac were alive he would of never released something that rubbish.

Anyway Tupac isn't half the MC that Mos Def is.

Originally posted by pennington10


Anyway Tupac isn't half the MC that Mos Def is.

(Y)

Originally posted by Can't stop the rush...
Biggy>>>>>>>>>>Tupac

2 Pac=LEGEND-nobody will ever do what he did for rap. Not simply a thug/gangsta, but an artist and a poet. best songs for me; Hit 'Em Up(H) , When Thugs Cry, When We Ride. and with Biggy it's really a question of what you prefer.

I prefer Biggie.

Originally posted by pennington10
Anyway Tupac isn't half the MC that Mos Def is. :| :eek:

Mos does have more skill then Pac ever had.:jap:

Doesn't mean he appeals to more people then Pac did(we know LOTS of people liked him)...

Tupac's definitely a legend (H)

Originally posted by Can't stop the rush...
Anyway, Talib Kweli is better then both of them now. Oh wait, you probably never heard of him.:p ~Thats where your wrong, ask pennington, we talked about him on MSN. You dont know me or even spoken to me before, dont think im just into commercial rap ;)

Talib Kwali is ace. I had a promo copy of Reflection eternal off my cousin. (She worked for a music magazine). She gave me more stuff from Rawkus Records. Like Smut Peddlers! Now theres a rap group not many will heard of.

I must say, I do prefer Pac although some of his stuff that hidden away is terrible. I don't really think you can accuse Pac of being mainstream either. Prior to his death he was sort of on the verge of mainstream but once he died his beneficiaries decided to let his music become more mainstream.

the one and only - Tupac Amaru Shakur :mrpimp:

His name means something aswell

Tupac Amaru means Shiny serpent

And Shakur means Thankful to god, or something along them lines.

Originally posted by Kulixs
~Thats where your wrong, ask pennington, we talked about him on MSN. You dont know me or even spoken to me before, dont think im just into commercial rap ;)

Oh wow, you talked about it on MSN!:o

Let me know when you see him in concert.;)

Originally posted by Can't stop the rush...
Oh wow, you talked about it on MSN!:o

Let me know when you see him in concert.;) 3 times, there ive let u know :)

Sure you have....

and elephants fly.

Originally posted by Can't stop the rush...
and elephants fly. No they dont, now your being stupid :kader:

And stop trying to turn this thread into some sort of competition like u know more than everyone else, cus in reality, i probably know more about hip hop than you, but i dont just go into threads trying to show it off. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Kulixs
No they dont, now your being stupid :kader:

And stop trying to turn this thread into some sort of competition like u know more than everyone else, cus in reality, i probably know more about hip hop than you, but i dont just go into threads trying to show it off. :rolleyes:

lol, you just posted along the lines of what I was going to say:p .
Seriously I hate smart arses, who think they know everything about the underground rappers and tunes and if a rapper is mainstream they aint worth a streak of p!ss. Well it's all stupid, because th other rappers mentioned in this thread (except Biggie), all bore me to tears and are one dimentional.

I personally don't like rap, infact i can't stand the majority of it, but I like 2pac, not because he is "mainstream" which is bollox, he wasn't, but I liked 2pac, which for a person that can't stand rap shows, how great he was. Mos Def?, better?, no. His music don't touch or inspire me, it just bores me, 2Pac was special and different, not because he died, bottom line is the reason why 2Pac has become more known and mainstream is yes partly down to his death, but whether you like to admit it or not Eminem has single handedly saved the rap industry, he is the reason why rap has blow up as the new thing, aint it funny ever since Dre and Em arrived as a team, how much has rap blown up?. That's why 2Pac is known as a legend, is because nowadays people have started to listen to him.

You know more about rap/hip-hop then I do?

ha, now that was a good joke. You are the one trying to prove you know something. I hardly even post in the lounge anymore because of people like you(the "I know it all type").

Take it easy, relax, this is the internet.

Originally posted by Can't stop the rush...
You know more about rap/hip-hop then I do?

ha, now that was a good joke. You are the one trying to prove you know something. I hardly even post in the lounge anymore because of people like you(the "I know it all type").

Take it easy, relax, this is the internet.


GO Can't stop the rush!!!!

Go get him!! :rockman:

Originally posted by pennington10
2pac is so overated. The only reason he is as popular as he is today was because he was shot. Then all these people starting saying how great he was because he was killed. He wasn't nearly this popular when he was alive so why is he so great now that he is dead?

Also it seems like everything that is being released under his name now sucks. Thugz Mansion was awful. If Tupac were alive he would of never released something that rubbish.

Anyway Tupac isn't half the MC that Mos Def is.


:rolleyes: :| :nape: damn son go read a little about Pac and listen to a couple of albums....maybe you will change ur mind....if not than you don't know what rap/hip-hop is all about. Mos Def better than Pac hahaahahahhahahaahahHAHAHAHAHhHAHAHAHhsljkdflajhHh sahahahahahahahhHAAHAHAHjsljdfajhHhahahahahahahaha hah:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Originally posted by Can't stop the rush...
and elephants fly.

Dumbo! :D

Originally posted by BayernBoz
Mos Def better than Pac hahaahahahhahahaahahHAHAHAHAHhHAHAHAHhsljkdflajhHh sahahahahahahahhHAAHAHAHjsljdfajhHhahahahahahahaha hah:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
shut up:kader:

Originally posted by Can't stop the rush...
Anyway, Talib Kweli is better then both of them now. I have to agree with you here. (Y) He's actually pretty famous nowadays, and mainstream enough. If Kweli & Kanye West would do more collaborations, it'd produce more absolutely brilliant music.

I don't really know what to think about 2pac. He made some great music, but well, I don't really give a **** about the rest.

Hip-Hop shouldn't have much to do with guns, gangwars and such. I know he talked about other things too, but most of the subjects never really touched me.

Originally posted by Spurs4Life
but whether you like to admit it or not Eminem has single handedly saved the rap industry, he is the reason why rap has blow up as the new thing, aint it funny ever since Dre and Em arrived as a team, how much has rap blown up?. That's why 2Pac is known as a legend, is because nowadays people have started to listen to him.

What are you going on about. Please feel free to read anything about hip hop before you stop babbling. Rap was big before Em ever arrived. Just because Em is the reason you started following rap does not mean rap and hip hop didn't exist before then. All Eminem did for the industry was bring in a bunch of 14 year old kids who think that because they listen to some rap radio station they know everything about rap.

I view Eminem as nothing more than a nitch artist who has found a formula that is succesful and ran with it. In my eyes Em is nothing more than spawn of Sir-mix-a-lot of Young MC (bust a move is ace though). Eminem and 2pac are nothing but posers in my eyes. Listen to Tupac talk before he became a "gangster". It was nothing but an act he put on so people whould buy his records. What makes Talib and Mos Def so special is that don't sell out in order to make money. They make the music that they believe in not the music that will bring them the fame and glory.

In my view A Tribe Called Quest was the best thing ever to happen to hip hop. They were always themselves and they were always orignal. The music is so natural sounding it is a thing of beauty. Their lyrics made you think. Made you feel. If you want to hear about some guy who wants to kill his wife that is fine but I would rather listen to stuff that is real. Eminem and 2pac are certainly not that and will never be that.

Originally posted by Can't stop the rush...
Anyway, Talib Kweli is better then both of them now. Oh wait, you probably never heard of him.:p

I've seen him live :p



About Tupac

He is a legend and one of my all-time favourite songs is his Hail Mary.

Originally posted by pennington10
What are you going on about. Please feel free to read anything about hip hop before you stop babbling. Rap was big before Em ever arrived. Just because Em is the reason you started following rap does not mean rap and hip hop didn't exist before then. All Eminem did for the industry was bring in a bunch of 14 year old kids who think that because they listen to some rap radio station they know everything about rap.

I view Eminem as nothing more than a nitch artist who has found a formula that is succesful and ran with it. In my eyes Em is nothing more than spawn of Sir-mix-a-lot of Young MC (bust a move is ace though). Eminem and 2pac are nothing but posers in my eyes. Listen to Tupac talk before he became a "gangster". It was nothing but an act he put on so people whould buy his records. What makes Talib and Mos Def so special is that don't sell out in order to make money. They make the music that they believe in not the music that will bring them the fame and glory.

In my view A Tribe Called Quest was the best thing ever to happen to hip hop. They were always themselves and they were always orignal. The music is so natural sounding it is a thing of beauty. Their lyrics made you think. Made you feel. If you want to hear about some guy who wants to kill his wife that is fine but I would rather listen to stuff that is real. Eminem and 2pac are certainly not that and will never be that. hot damn! really wise thoughts (Y)

I think Cunninlynguists is another great thing that has happened to rap music. All of their songs are really classy and have something that makes you want to listen to the track again. They'd really deserve to go platinum, not that they'd even want to.

oh, and just to mention, someone who's been shot 9 times in the mouth, shouldn't pick a career in the rap music biz.

Originally posted by pennington10
What are you going on about. Please feel free to read anything about hip hop before you stop babbling. Rap was big before Em ever arrived. Just because Em is the reason you started following rap does not mean rap and hip hop didn't exist before then. All Eminem did for the industry was bring in a bunch of 14 year old kids who think that because they listen to some rap radio station they know everything about rap.

I view Eminem as nothing more than a nitch artist who has found a formula that is succesful and ran with it. In my eyes Em is nothing more than spawn of Sir-mix-a-lot of Young MC (bust a move is ace though). Eminem and 2pac are nothing but posers in my eyes. Listen to Tupac talk before he became a "gangster". It was nothing but an act he put on so people whould buy his records. What makes Talib and Mos Def so special is that don't sell out in order to make money. They make the music that they believe in not the music that will bring them the fame and glory.

In my view A Tribe Called Quest was the best thing ever to happen to hip hop. They were always themselves and they were always orignal. The music is so natural sounding it is a thing of beauty. Their lyrics made you think. Made you feel. If you want to hear about some guy who wants to kill his wife that is fine but I would rather listen to stuff that is real. Eminem and 2pac are certainly not that and will never be that.

First of all you need to READ!!!. I said I've liked 2Pac for ten years WAYYYYYY before eminem came on the scene and I don't even like Eminem!!. Second of all I know rap has been around before him, all I said is Eminem has made alot more people (mainly white) interested in rap and has made it very mainstream. To say the stuff you have saying 2Pac aint real when he lived on the streets, rapped about it and society around him is stupid. You are entitled to your opinion, but you shouldn't try and speculate who i like and how i liked them. I hate Mr know it all rap fans "read about hip hop", way too many of them.


To say Pac and Em only raps about killing wifes and sh!t is just pure ignorance and that really loses any credibility your opinion has in my eyes.

Originally posted by Can't stop the rush...
You know more about rap/hip-hop then I do?

ha, now that was a good joke. You are the one trying to prove you know something. I hardly even post in the lounge anymore because of people like you(the "I know it all type").

Take it easy, relax, this is the internet. I am relaxing, but its you that comes in saying, Talib kweli is better than him, but u wont know who he is.....thats just intimidating, and trying to show you know more than me. Just because im talking about one of the biggest rappers dont mean i dont know nowt about anyone else, your just making assumptions.

P.S Glad to see i made it in your Sig (H)

**** RAP!!! ITS ALL ABOUT VELVET REVOLVER U SH!ITHEAD! (H)

Originally posted by celtic_bhoy
shut up:kader:

if u got no better argument than "shut up" i think u better shut the **** up

Jay-Z in "Moment of Clarity:"

If skills sold/
Truth be told/
I'd probably be/
Lyricly/
Talib Kweli/
Truthfully/

Originally posted by BayernBoz
if u got no better argument than "shut up" i think u better shut the **** up
learn to spell California before you tell me to shut up.

Don't really care much for rap. Too many blokes trying to glorify themselves. If you ask me, they're all asking to be shot.

That's exactly the illusion 2pac&other warriors give to those who don't really know much about rap music. (:/)

Originally posted by celtic_bhoy
learn to spell California before you tell me to shut up.

ok dumbf.uck i know how to spell California, but i want to spell it Kalifornia juss like people type 4eva instead of Forever and so on ........ok dumbs.hit?? good now shut da f.uck up again.

Californ-I-A (H)

kool?

Originally posted by ::Jason::
That's exactly the illusion 2pac&other warriors give to those who don't really know much about rap music. (:/)

Sorry but unless Public Enemy, Gil Scott Heron or Grandmaster Flash have owt to do with it, it's not listenable.

The subject matter's always the same so once you've heard one rap song you've usually heard them all.

Originally posted by Shindig
The subject matter's always the same so once you've heard one rap song you've usually heard them all. well, maybe you're right.

I have the same thing with Iron Maiden (etc.) songs.

Originally posted by ::Jason::
well, maybe you're right.

I have the same thing with Iron Maiden (etc.) songs.

True. But Maiden riffs.

You guys just came in and spoilt this thread, if anyone of u guys saying Tupac is just a thug etc have to watch his movie Ressurection it would all change. Really please just watch it, because wat he says is so true, and youd realise hes not just a thug. Heres wat he says -:

"We got the vietnam war rite, just because the reporters showed us pictures at home of the vietnam war, thats wat made the vietnam war end when it did. Because we saw the horror, thats wat made us stop the vietnam war, so i thought thats what im gonna do as an artist...as a rapper im gonna show the most graphic details of wat i see in my community, and hopefully theyll stop it...quick!"

"My ear is there street, i represent 20 years on this planet earth, and wat ive seen, this is my report, like my battle cry to america."

So you see, he isnt promoting violence or guns and drugs, he was just showing wat happened everyday in the run down parts of society, and he wanted it to stop. I reccomend his movie to anyone, and it will change there opinion on him.

I never really liked Tupac. I preferred Biggy with "Ready to die" by far. "Gimme the loot, Gimme the loot"

At that time, Artifacts, Onyx, The Alkoholics, Boogie Monsters, Group Home, Gravediggaz, etc. were all better, IMO.

Originally posted by Kulixs
"We got the vietnam war rite, just because the reporters showed us pictures at home of the vietnam war, thats wat made the vietnam war end when it did. Because we saw the horror, thats wat made us stop the vietnam war, so i thought thats what im gonna do as an artist...as a rapper im gonna show the most graphic details of wat i see in my community, and hopefully theyll stop it...quick!"

That quote proves my point. Tupac was nothing but a no good poser.

Originally posted by Awax
I never really liked Tupac. I preferred Biggy with "Ready to die" by far. "Gimme the loot, Gimme the loot"


Can't forget "Juicy".:mrpimp:

2pac is something will never be again 2pac is the best rapper and GOD put the RAP in his way and after he HIDE the rap just be from his damn lyrics
i mean 2pac is the real N.I.G.G.A he try to take the niggaz from down to up and he really do it
he is legned and he will be a part of history
rest `n peace

the rose which grow up from the destruction