http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sports/fifasoccer2005/preview_6101924.html

The FIFA Soccer series is known the world over for its impressive breadth--the series has, in recent years, included a huge number of teams and championship tournaments in many, many different worldwide divisions. However, some critics have said that FIFA isn't number one in terms of gameplay, particularly with regard to control responsiveness and realistic give-and-go tactics. So, the FIFA team at EA Canada, which consists of some 120 staffers, has decided to focus primarily on gameplay this year, in an attempt to make a game that is highly realistic but still accessible for beginners.

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"All versions of FIFA 2005 will also feature an enhanced career mode that will let you play through up to 30 seasons as a manager." :o

Great, seems that is not the gameplay that is improving, all the manager concept is new... keep it up EA.

The way they were saying in a couple of years there might not be TCM anymore.

also you can hire your staff, and you really start your career from scratch :confused:



sounds cool (H)

this is looking even better!!

All versions of FIFA 2005 will also feature an enhanced career mode that will let you play through up to 30 seasons as a manager. As a manager, you'll constantly be in search of more funds (which you earn through victories) and more prestige (which you earn through winning championships and completing other goals set for you), measured on a five-star scale. The teams you can work with will be divided into specific geographical zones, but since you start off as a one-star manager, you'll begin by working with a one-star local team and will have to gradually work your way up to the top, using your handheld PDA computer to keep up with your team's progress and how happy the owner is with your work. You'll also need to hire a staff of offensive and defensive coaches, as well as medics, publicists, and other staffers to make your team successful in the long run--more money means you can afford better staff.

Now this is sounding very good and more towards the madden season mode. You get money, you waste money, you hire the staff, you truly start as a lower team. This is deff the way Fifa should be, well besides the gameplay. Now im hoping that there are things that arent listed here to be in the career mode, such as ticket prices, sponserships, better way to do contracts and trades etc... Now I wont get to excited yet but its deff deff looking up in the career mode section anyways...

I don't know if many people knows what i'll say but FIFA 2005 starts looking like the great PC Fútbol... this game was a spanish game with Spanish League where you had a great manager mode with all this features... just the gameplay was a little bad but i almost simulated all the games... and from what i've heard the guys that made PC Fútbol for a couple of years are now working for EA... so this is his area... :rockman:

All of this sounds great and I hope that the career mode also lets u pick if you want to coach a national team

Hate to drop the feces of Truth on your parade of false hope, but., uh...seen it ALL before…we ALL have:

FIFA 99:

Players now have different heights, increased shading and new uniforms.

New chest trapping allows players more control over air balls than ever before, allowing them to shield the ball from defenders' attacks.

Game's artificial intelligence delivers better support for more realistic wing play and more responsive tackling.

New real-time lighting effects give players an unprecedented level of realism.

New Semi-Automatic goal keepers will allow you to tell the keeper when to run out for the ball.

Improved Control

Dennis Bergkamp will be featured on the box

FIFA 2000:

Advanced artificial intelligence (AI) utilizes authentic soccer strategies and is designed to counter user tactics in mid-game.

Cinematic cut-scenes seamlessly capture all the action so players experience the impact, pain and emotion of a world-class game.

Hard-core in-game animations capture the rough-and-tumble aspects of soccer with increased physical contact, giant collisions, and gnarly falls. User selectable set plays allow players more control than ever before during key moments of gameplay.

In addition to varying characteristics such as facial hair and hair color, FIFA 2000 raises the bar for player individuality with varied heights, 3D-sculpted faces and detailed facial animations.

Realistic light sourcing effects deliver dynamic player shading and accentuated physical detail.

Game provides instant response to player commands to deliver fakes, dekes and moves like bicycle kicks, volleys, headers, scissors kicks as well as pinpoint passing, shots and dribbling. New shielding logic allows for more precise ball control, deliberate pacing and increased player interaction.

Chest trapping allows players more control over air balls than ever before, allowing them to shield the ball from defenders’ attacks.

More than 80,000 words of original and detailed in-game commentary by John Motson, Chris Waddle and Mark Lawrenson.

Realistic soccer chants and crowd noise.

FIFA 2001:

Adding to the authenticity of the gameplay, players have adopted a realistic sense of urgency on the pitch as the ball enters and leaves their circle of influence.

FIFA 2001’s environment is alive--this is not just a simulation: sidelines bustle with activity from spectators, coaches, and teammates as the clouds roll over the stadium and the weather and lighting changes.

For the first time there are linesmen present flagging offside offenders, ad boards rotate, avid fans wave flags, and sing chants for the home team.

Players come to life through detailed appearances, skill and behavior. Players exhibit personality through emotional responses to events on the field with expressions and body language.

Players can immerse themselves into the action through new cinematic camera design, ambient audio.

These all-new living, breathing, sights and sounds of a soccer environment define the on-field soccer experience.

Newcomers to the series will enjoy easy-to-play accessibility while experienced game players will appreciate the depth of gameplay.

Key Features

• Intelligent commentary by legendary announcer John Motson and footy legend Mark Lawrenson.
• New motion captured moves from Lothar Matthaus, Hidetoshi Nakata, Paul Scholes, Thierry Henry, Edgar Davids, Gaizka Mendieta, Shimon Gershom and more. As well as moves from Sol Campbell, Eddie Pope, and Zack Thornton. The motion capture is implemented for new animations and quick responsiveness from the controllers to the players in-game.

• Multiple game modes including Friendly play, Leagues, Cups and Custom modes.

• Players demonstrate different degrees of urgency and involvement relative to their position on the field.

• Time elapses as events happen on the pitch in sunshine and rainstorms, the sun rotates, clouds pass by and the pitch conditions are relative to the weather conditions. Authentic light sourcing delivers dynamic player shading and accentuated physical detail as players pass in and out of shadows.Out of game features include: Animated crowd props, Animating linesmen, Coach and sideline elements, and animate New sideline geometry (3D tunnel, benches, etc.). With a new emphasis on ambient environmental sounds (boos, jeers, chants, rain, splashes etc.)

• Highly detailed facial expressions and features, including intense gazing from the players eyes [LOL] along with varying characteristics such as facial hair and hair color. Player's are recognizable both in their facial features and accurate heights. Player audio in Out Of Play Scripts (OOPS) [LOL]

• FIFPro License that includes all the names and likenesses of FIFPro's member player associations.

• Advanced artificial intelligence (AI) utilizes authentic football strategies and is designed to counter user tactics. AI features precise shooting control with the ability to power up shots. Defenders mark better, especially in their own half. Goalies are now more challenging and play smarter.

• Cinematic cut-scenes seamlessly capture all the action so players experience the impact, pain and emotion of a world-class game.

• Hard-core in-game animations capture the rough-and-tumble aspects of soccer with increased physical contact, giant collisions, and gnarly falls. New camera F/X such as motion blur, depth of field, crash zooms Choreographed lighting in OOPS. Over the top audio support synchronised with impacting OOPS

• User selectable set plays allow players more control than ever before during key moments of gameplay.


FIFA 2002:
EA SPORTS re-invents the beautiful game

FIFA has fired its most powerful shot and created the most complete sports game ever - FIFA 2002. FIFA 2002 enters a new era with major gameplay advances that include all new passing and tackling systems

Key Features
Innovative new passing system: The new system incorporates an open-ended and flexible passing model. Pass the ball into space, utilize through-balls and one-twos. Direct your teammates on strategic runs through the defense. The new system will be enjoyed by players of all levels and will result in a deeply satisfying football experience.

All new tackling and referee model: Now, the timing and angle of your tackles will determine success and potential ramifications from the ref. Users will be fully responsible for the behavior of their team, gauging risk versus reward.

FIFA World Cup 2002 Qualification Mode [what a rape…]: Users will experience the highs and lows of qualification for FIFA World Cup 2002. Select from international teams and begin your journey to Korea/Japan 2002. This will incorporate more user feedback than ever before, including an expanded injury-fatigue system and informational “hotsheets” which updates the user of the status of teams, players, upcoming opponents, and more.

Timely pop-ups - which suggest substitutions and other tactical changes during gameplay-lend a helping hand.

Greater detail in players than ever before: More authentic faces, hairstyles, player accessories, etc.

“In the game” audio featuring clever banter between commentators and dynamic differentiation between home and away SF/X.

FIFPro License that includes all the names and likenesses of FIFPro’s member player associations.



FIFA 2003:

A game developed by soccer players, for soccer players…[LOL]

FIFA Soccer 2003 offers users the broadest, most authentic representation of world soccer.

This year's game offers total ball control.

Also new to FIFA Soccer 2003, the EA SPORTS(TM) Freestyle Control gives the user total control over their player in order to deke past an opponent.



FIFA 2004:
WORLD’S LEADING PLAYERS JOIN EA SPORTS

Chertsey, UK. – Electronic Arts (Nasdaq:ERTS), the world’s leading interactive entertainment software company, today announced that it has signed three of the world’s leading football players to showcase their Off The Ball™ skills into its forthcoming FIFA Football™ 2004 game.

The FIFA Football franchise is in its 10th year and FIFA Football 2004 is the most complete and authentic football experience ever released. All new Off The Ball control lets you control the man on the ball and the men off it. Timing runs, anticipating moves, positioning players and jostling for space adds a new dimension to football gaming.

The action is deeper than ever with advanced levels of player detail and responsiveness. With immersive atmospheres, benchmark presentation, the world’s premier clubs, and industry-leading gameplay, [LOL!!!! Marketers are liars, don’t you get that by now!!!!] the world’s best selling football simulation returns as the true authority in football gaming.

“We have continually delivered an in-depth football experience for fans who demand the finest gameplay and most accurate representation of their national and domestic football heroes,” said Danny Isaac, Producer for FIFA Football 2004. “With the inclusion of Henry, Del Piero and Ronaldhino this year, we will be able to guarantee that the FIFA Football series continues to be the product number one choice for football fans all over the world.” [What does the inclusion of market icons have to do with developing gameplay? Do you SEE how EA tries to make the style indistinguishable from the substance??? If you don’t see that now, you NEVER will, and deserve whatever EA Canada shovels at you…suckers]

Your hate ^^^ runs deep. Let me guess, you are here to sell us on, uh.. PES? Spare us.

Originally posted by shpankey
Your hate ^^^ runs deep. Let me guess, you are here to sell us on, uh.. PES? Spare us.

Yeah, he's a typical PES fanboy; he always tries to brainwash people into hating FIFA. His fingers never tire, he lives to type anti-FIFA hatred. I'm looking forward to both FIFA 2005 and PES 4. The career mode sounds good to me, maybe I won't buy TCM this year.

You'll find a lot of obsessed fanboys on here...

I suppose that's to be expected and all, but my goodness, did you see how much he typed? I mean, is it THAT important to him that we not buy FIFA? That's borderline insane lol.

I WANT IT NOW!!!!!!! thank God I'm going on vacation, it will keep my mind of the game for a little bit, lol.

wow, what's the average age of these people on these forums?!?! 12??? Grow up people and respect the guy's opinion. :kader:

Fan-boy or not, every word Mel Brennan typed is full of TRUTH! (especially the part about FIFA 2004).

Try being a lil open-minded :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Ny8La8
wow, what's the average age of these people on these forums?!?! 12??? Grow up people and respect the guy's opinion. :kader:

Fan-boy or not, every word Mel Brennan typed is full of TRUTH! (especially the part about FIFA 2004).

Try being a lil open-minded :rolleyes:

Yeah, I'm twelve; you can tell by my incorrect punctuation and grammar usage. Every word is true?? Hmm... so who's the closed-minded one then?

ok, MOST of what he said is true, happy now little one? now run along and go play...:rolleyes:

While the features sound promising, there is a danger that there will be too much focus thrown on them at the expense of the overall experience. Yeah, I suppose it's good that they're giving us more control over career mode, but does anyone else think that hiring different MEDICS will get a little old after a while? I doubt I'll get the same satisfaction buying the world's top assistant water boy as I will buying Timmy Howard.

Additionally, the "gimmicky" features like this new one-touch thing and 2004's off-the-ball controls run the risk of sapping too much development time and being rather useless.

On the plus side, it seems like they're making a good effort to improve career mode, and if they really are focusing on gameplay, it's a good sign. I play on Gamecube so FIFA is pretty much my only option.

i disagree with you about the one touch thing.

I think this feature is vital to a football game. I was hoping for it a while back.

It may very well be vital to a football game. Then again, so is the ability to run some decent plays and get a man open, but EA sort of made a hash of that with off-the-ball. My fear is that, while good in theory just like off the ball, first-touch may be too complicated to be all that useful and will draw too much attention from other elements of gameplay which could be improved.

I also like that they're trying to maintain the balance between good gameplay and the ability to pick up and play. I live in a dorm and like playing a game with others once in a while and I don't want them to have to read a thick manual before they can play.

Originally posted by Ny8La8
wow, what's the average age of these people on these forums?!?! 12??? Grow up people and respect the guy's opinion. :kader:

Fan-boy or not, every word Mel Brennan typed is full of TRUTH! (especially the part about FIFA 2004).

Try being a lil open-minded :rolleyes:

None of us are ruling out the chance that FIFA 05 could be a great game. Therefore *we* have an "open mind". You and the other kid are the close minded ones, not even giving FIFA 05 a chance. Already made your conclusions on two games you've never even played. Sorry, but that's bordering on senility.

Also, when someone spends half a day typing up a dang thesis on why none of the rest of us should buy FIFA 05, that's not an opinion... that is a crusade. Do us all a favor and stop trying to "convert" anyone. Trust me, it won't work anyhow and it just makes you look like little fanboys.

EA says the same thing every year and their games have turned out like crap.. I think it was just a don't get too excited because it has been said before kind of thing.

Look, I can see the point these guys are making. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the results to change, and you'd be a liar if you claimed EA's track record with FIFA was superb. So I am guardedly optimistic. I'll read reviews before I buy. Just as there is no reason for FIFA bashing like these guys, there's no reason so bet the farm that this game will be perfect because that could be setting you up to be a let down.

I think the addage "Aim low, that way you'll never be disappointed and you might even be pleasantly surprised" makes some sense here.

Originally posted by valioso
EA says the same thing every year and their games have turned out like crap.. I think it was just a don't get too excited because it has been said before kind of thing.

In any case, they should understand what "close minded" means before being so liberal with its usage. Especially when he looks like a hypocrit using it.

It's way too early to speak on Fifa 2005. I will however not be buying it until I play it first. Of course the PC version tends to be a little different so I will be waiting to play the ps2 version.


and I think that guy might have copied and pasted that essay from some other website. Its not that hard to do.

with 120 staffs working on gameplay, i hope they not come out with a craps. if not that really LOL :rofl:

as usual, we giving hope every year, we disappointed every year. then we have a new hope next year and so that ....... :D

btw, just hope they did the game as perfect as they can. avoid some simple bugs like

FIFA 2004
-UCL group stage bugs
-transfered player unable to set number
-poor interface
-unable to configure controller

those are their careless work. done it but without testing. so hope they concern that. make it nearly perfect.....

Lets hope they make the gameplay with as much variety as other football games on the market

ie:

pes
pes2
pes3
and probably pes 4

Originally posted by ishan1990
i disagree with you about the one touch thing.

I think this feature is vital to a football game. I was hoping for it a while back.


Couldn't agree more. When you play football in real life and receive the ball you have a decision to make, when to stick your foot out to stop and control the ball, what to do with your body positioning if the ball is coming from above, and how much power you should put on the ball if you want a one-touch pass, because the ball will already have momentum. If you've seen the 2005 vids you can see the players' recieving the ball and then it getting knocked too far out infront, or passed to the wrong player.

I think this is probably the best feature EA have used, that FIRST TOUCH is vital, if you have a crap first touch, what the hell can you do to create good team-work? That's what will make playing with the lower division teams such a challenge, you'll really experience the difference from controlling Stoke in english division 1, to going all the way over to Spain to control Real Madrid!

For now I wait for more previews and video footage, but everything looks very promising...as it did last year :( Oh well.

NK.

Originally posted by valioso
EA says the same thing every year and their games have turned out like crap.. I think it was just a don't get too excited because it has been said before kind of thing.


Yes, EA say the same things, but not always the previews. Never before has there been a FIFA game, which has been said to possibly beat PES this year. That in itself is exciting. But it is obvious EA are going to say good things for their own product. :)

NK.

Well this is EA's second year with the " new " format they are using, so hopefully they make significant advances in bringing variety to gameplay.

I never played fifa 2004, not even to rent, so im only going on what people say about fifa 2004, but EA do have work to do to catch up with pes, and if they wanted to they could make a game way better than pes

Originally posted by Ny8La8
ok, MOST of what he said is true, happy now little one? now run along and go play...:rolleyes:

What an imbecile, I can't be bothered to berate him at length...

Originally posted by ngyc
FIFA 2004
-UCL group stage bugs
-transfered player unable to set number
-poor interface
-unable to configure controller


Fifa 2004 is not a bug its a game.... UCL don't know about that.... Transfered players dont know about that one neither.... Poor Inrerface well thats deff not a bug and I never had a prob with it... and unable to configure the controls isnt a bug either so i have no Idea what your talking about.. :rolleyes:


And well I wont get too excited about the new game but even though Fifa 04 wasnt proably the "best" but I still enjoyed it, and very rarely didnt it ever bother me, I guess I had a good copy and you all had bad ones but anyways Lets just see what happens and wait for more hands on previews and actual gameplay videos...

Here's a revolutionary idea... if you don't like FIFA- don't buy it! If the PES series is so good, why waste your time and energy constantly condemning FIFA?

There are so many flaws contained within 'PES 3', but the fanboys won't admit to it until PES 4 is released! I have to admit that I'm not a massive fan of 'FIFA 2004', but I enjoyed playing 'FIFA 2003' immensely. In theory, EA have to be 'all things to all men'; but in practise that is an absurd concept which can never be attained.

PES 3 is chiefly geared towards one sector of the market, and FIFA to another- basic economics.

the funny thing is the only ones bringing up pes are the fifa fanboys..

Originally posted by valioso
the funny thing is the only ones bringing up pes are the fifa fanboys..

I own both games, and also expressed my disappointment in 'FIFA 2004'; hardly the actions of a 'fan boy'. Anyway, who wrote the essay about how apparently 'poor' the FIFA series? I can't see the point in being a 'fan boy'- Konami and EA don't pay my mortgage, and put food on the table! Now if either of them wishes to bribe me...

he just wrote an essay pointing out the EA hype marketing machine..

Hey Davilton did you really enjoy Fifa 2003????? Because I found that after EVERY SINGLE bicycle kick you did off a corner it would be an AUTOMATIC goal. I was enjoying it until I discovered this and of course some other cheap scripted gameplay.:kader: :kader:

fifa 2003.. was also known.. as race to the sidelines when playing online..

Originally posted by Bummy_JaB
Hey Davilton did you really enjoy Fifa 2003????? Because I found that after EVERY SINGLE bicycle kick you did off a corner it would be an AUTOMATIC goal. I was enjoying it until I discovered this and of course some other cheap scripted gameplay.:kader: :kader:

Well, my friends and I made a rule not to use such 'cheap' tactics. Once you agree on that, the game is really enjoyable.

Originally posted by valioso
fifa 2003.. was also known.. as race to the sidelines when playing online..

Hahahaha... that's why it's good to find some sensible, mature players to play against.

Originally posted by valioso
EA says the same thing every year and their games have turned out like crap.. I think it was just a don't get too excited because it has been said before kind of thing.

That's what a basic Google of EA's previous claims illuminates for us, that's all. Not hard; five minutes.

Originally posted by Brondbyfan
Look, I can see the point these guys are making. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the results to change, and you'd be a liar if you claimed EA's track record with FIFA was superb. So I am guardedly optimistic. I'll read reviews before I buy. Just as there is no reason for FIFA bashing like these guys, there's no reason so bet the farm that this game will be perfect because that could be setting you up to be a let down.

I think the addage "Aim low, that way you'll never be disappointed and you might even be pleasantly surprised" makes some sense here.

Fair enough, and well-put.

Originally posted by Davilton
Hahahaha... that's why it's good to find some sensible, mature players to play against.

true but when you're playing on online leagues where winning is important.. there are always a few noobs out there.. once you close the sidelines.. they couldnt do anything anymore..

Originally posted by valioso
true but when you're playing on online leagues where winning is important.. there are always a few noobs out there.. once you close the sidelines.. they couldnt do anything anymore..

Yeah, they should be shot! They actually think they're good though... LOL

We all know that the base of the downfall in 2004 was the crap interface and the trillions of bugs that game had in gameplay or out if it.

Well, but to tell you the truth i enjoy playing that game for fun against other frineds of mine. U know, it is annoying to not have good control of the ball in the fifa series..... and some other things.. but if this year the EA team will really improve the first touch of the players..wooa it will be A REALLY BIG plus to the game. It will make it very very enjoyable if they dont messed up things this time.

Good thing that they are trying to improve the career mode. EA have to rememebr that players gets old too....we dont have to be playing with the same defenders 30 years!. and they playing still luike youngsters!


Anyway... without getting to excited.. it seems they want to do things right this time.

"supposedly"

Originally posted by valioso
EA says the same thing every year and their games have turned out like crap.. I think it was just a don't get too excited because it has been said before kind of thing.
Exactly,,,, loosen up a lil people. :hump:

Originally posted by Hydde
We all know that the base of the downfall in 2004 was the crap interface and the trillions of bugs that game had in gameplay or out if it.

Well, but to tell you the truth i enjoy playing that game for fun against other frineds of mine. U know, it is annoying to not have good control of the ball in the fifa series..... and some other things.. but if this year the EA team will really improve the first touch of the players..wooa it will be A REALLY BIG plus to the game. It will make it very very enjoyable if they dont messed up things this time.

Good thing that they are trying to improve the career mode. EA have to rememebr that players gets old too....we dont have to be playing with the same defenders 30 years!. and they playing still luike youngsters!


Anyway... without getting to excited.. it seems they want to do things right this time.

"supposedly"

Yeah, let's leave the trial of: The Fanboys Vs. EA, until the game comes out. As you said, FIFA 2004 is enjoyable when played against other guys. Isn't that the general idea?...

FIFA 2005 sounds good, but the proof is in the pudding...

Nobody here is claiming the game will be great. Nobody here has ever said it would be. We are only commenting on the Gamespot preview of FIFA 05 which is very favorable. If you have an issue, then you have it with GameSpot - who actually played the game.

The only people counting chickens before they hatch is the haters. Who were trying to convince everyone in here the game would suck., even though they haven't played it.

There's been 4 previews of FIFA 05 so far, all from independent sources. All four of them have had really great things to say about FIFA 05. EA Sports has NOTHING to do with those peoples opinions... so it's not EA "promising us again".

This is why I hate the internet, it gives a voice to people who speak before they think... and the people who speak and scream the most are always the cynics. It gets old after awhile.

Everyone in here is capable of making up their own mind. We don't need some dumb fanboy to tell us what is going to be the best, especially when they're talking out of their butt and haven't touched PES4 or FIFA05.

As my grandpa used to say "you don't know shlt from shinola."

::sigh::

if you were here last yr.. which you werent.. you could have read a bunch of great sounding previews about fifa 04.. from all kinds of sources including gamespot.. and the game was a dissapointment.. and no one is saying fifa is going to suck or that pes is better.. so I think you may want to apply your grandpa's phrase to yourself.

Originally posted by valioso
and no one is saying fifa is going to suck or that pes is better.. so I think you may want to apply your grandpa's phrase to yourself.

Yes he did. Go back and read the thesis on page one. And my grandpa's phrase certainly fits... but not to me, I'm not claiming anything will be good or bad.

Val,, just give up,, let the newbie learn on his own. :crazyboy:

Good Lord, resulting to insults. How obtuse [and predictable].

indeed...

btw, that correct sentence would be "RESORTING to insults" buddy,, not Resulting :hump:

Ohhhh, now the grammar. That really makes your point! http://members.cox.net/shpankey/rolleyes.gif

no, actually, me correcting your silly grammatic mistake does not make me prove any "point", as i wasn't trying to prove anything by correcting the sentence.

Carry on....

Originally posted by shpankey
Yes he did. Go back and read the thesis on page one. And my grandpa's phrase certainly fits... but not to me, I'm not claiming anything will be good or bad.

alright.. were in that long rant stating what EA said about their games does it mention PES? Cause I read it and I cannot see it mentioned anywhere

Originally posted by valioso
alright.. were in that long rant stating what EA said about their games does it mention PES? Cause I read it and I cannot see it mentioned anywhere

Actually, he said "and no one is saying fifa is going to suck or that pes is better.. so I think you may want to apply your grandpa's phrase to yourself."

Which is what I was replying to.

Originally posted by Ny8La8
no, actually, me correcting your silly grammatic mistake does not make me prove any "point", as i wasn't trying to prove anything by correcting the sentence.

Carry on....

btw, that correct sentence would be "silly grammatical mistake" buddy, not "grammatic". As there is no word "grammatic". Now you see why correcting grammar on the internet is almost as dumb as your arguments in this thread.

Originally posted by shpankey
Yes he did. Go back and read the thesis on page one. And my grandpa's phrase certainly fits... but not to me, I'm not claiming anything will be good or bad.

this is your response.. "go back and read the thesis on page one" so I went back and read it and pes is not mentioned in there at all.. unless you want to point it out in case I missed it.

:sigh::

I never said PES was mentioned. He said...

Originally posted by valioso
and no one is saying fifa is going to suck or that pes is better.. so I think you may want to apply your grandpa's phrase to yourself.

Which is what I was responding too. For goodness sakes, I even quoted it when I replied to it. I was *specifically commenting on* the part where he said "and no one is saying fifa is going to suck".

I was not saying anything about PES. If you don't understand this, there is nothing I can do to help you understand it.

quote:Originally posted by valioso
and no one is saying fifa is going to suck or that pes is better.. so I think you may want to apply your grandpa's phrase to yourself.



Yes he did. Go back and read the thesis on page one. And my grandpa's phrase certainly fits... but not to me, I'm not claiming anything will be good or bad.

so you quoted me saying "yes he did and read back to page one" so what am I suppose to read on page one.

well guys.........plz listen........I think the "One-touch" was present
on FifaWc2002........there u can flick the ball with haed or leg
with a power bar......without controlling............

Any one with a little bit of memory :rolleyes: should remember
these..............

and.....u can trust a hungry wolf.......but not EA.

Originally posted by shpankey
Actually, he said "and no one is saying fifa is going to suck or that pes is better.. so I think you may want to apply your grandpa's phrase to yourself."

Which is what I was replying to.

I cannot believe I earned my DD-214 for slack-jawed prokaryotics like you. You are, definitively, what I am forced to hear about everywhere I go in this world; and, like a fool, I keep saying "Americans aren't like that, we aren't like that!" Apparently, these folks must all go right to your hometown, and return to places known and unknown and say "MAN! Americans..."

Bottom line it for us, Maynard:

(1) Might the fact that EA's promotion and marketing engine continues to tell us things that the concomitant games fail to provide provide us with reasonable insights into what future games - and their accompanying claims, might mean?

(2) Might it in fact be true that each nad every one of these previews take place among EA Canada/EA Marketing personnel, all armed with media packs from which the vast majority of preview content is drawn, like every other major game launch on the ****ng planet?

(3) Might game previews in general, hype as arule, and large corporate hype from corporate gaming entities be part of the overall strategy of these magazines, websites, etc. to keep themselves relevant? Or do you think that the mags and sites would make oney by telling us the truth; that 95% of what's produced in the industry is crap you'll have on your drive (or in your console) for less than ten days, that the industry is modeled in such a way as to force the production of such feculence in order to lift the rarefied %5 o their shoulders, giving us what we in fact deserve by a process that's just as much stumble-bum luck (Tetris) as it is rigourous, creative thought (Half-Life)?

(4) I've been in game development with Sega GameWorks (opening gaming venues for them in Dallas/Grapevine, Ontario CA, and South Maimi FL), The Walt Disney Company (ESPNZone, opening venues in New York City/Times Square and Washington D.C. while also honing game development and flow concepts in the original Baltimore unit), and was also GM of Games and Attractions Development for WWF New York (and the now defunct concept of WWF Las Vegas). At those venues I worked with companies like Hyperware, Namco, Midway, SEGA (of course), and systems engineers like Clair Bros, SOUNDELUX and Iguana systems to create attractions like "Vertical Reality," and many many others, while providing for the development of console-based gaming to augment the attractions, all pre X-Box...

After that, I became Head oF Special Projects for the Confederation of North, Central American, and Caribbean Association Football, CONCACAF for short. As you're an idiot who also happens to share my citizenship, CONCACAF is the (realtively failed) version of UEFA; there are six confederations of FIFA, one for each continent where there is football played on a regular basis. There I became a lead member of the e-FIFA program, a CONCACAF delegate to the 2002 World Cup, and intimate with ISL (the original license manager for FIFA endeavours) and the newly-launched FIFA Marketing AG. I've SEEN yearly license contracts between ISL and Electronic Arts, mooncalf. Unlike you, I've taken the time to actually read EA's Annual Reports...I know Stu Cristal, who licenses MLS to EA for the FIFA series...After discovering that CONCACAF's leadership was as committed to the development of football in our region as you are to authentic knowlege regarding gaming and gaming development, I left to pursue this PhD in SPorts Studies at the Univ. of Stirling, here in the Kingdom, while also writing a book about the whole time, curretnly entitled POLITICAL ANIMALS: 30 months among the heroes and villians of world football.

I said all that to say that probably more than anyone here, I can speak to both notions of authentic football gaming in terms of both development and licensing and the actual competitions.

All that, coupled with the very easily knowable, searchable, Google-able, info regarding EA's history, simply has lead me to submit that (1) their claims, and the claims of their friends in the magazine industry, are less than worthless, and (2) that they DESERVE healthy skepticism.

For you to submit anything else means that you are looking at the facts of the evidence that's in front of you, and reacting to it in relation to an entirely different stimulus than myself. And that's okay; looking at your resultant posts, I can see how you and I might have a different chromosome or two.

Just don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about; if I don't know than you are, informationally-speaking, breaking nuts with stones and still hoping to discover fire. Iggy.

Now let's keep the conversation above the Cro-Magnon level, shall we?

Originally posted by shpankey

The only people counting chickens before they hatch is the haters. Who were trying to convince everyone in here the game would suck., even though they haven't played it.


Lol........still need to convience anyone about EA?:rolleyes:


I just hope this time include different shape of "Teeth" for
different type of players.........:)
Oh boy ......that will be fantastic........and very realistic!!!!!!!!!!:rockman:

what u say ?

This thread is hopeless. It seems although everyone in here is speaking English, a few of them don't understand it.

Jihi No Kokoro goes on another tirade, most of it casting out insults, the other half of his diatribe of tripe is just bragging about how he knows more than anyone else because of his credentials. None of it making a lick of sense in context because it's all opinion, and matters are even more confusing because it's all speculative opinion on an unreleased game. But argue away... you're right, you have to be, I mean, look at your credentials! ::rolleyes::

Gora Athletic can't even figure out what he is supposed to read, even though it's been bolded for him 3 times and just looks confused.

I don't even think they know what they're arguing about at this point. They just know they don't like FIFA05 and I am their enemy because I'm not saying it will suck too. You know, because I haven't played it and all... I will reserve whether it will "suck" or not for later, after I play it and see for myself.

Originally posted by Mel Brennan


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Now he's added another forum contributor to his ever expanding 'ignore list'. We've got some Ivy League/Oxbridge debating types on here tonight then! "If I don't agree with your comments, I'll add you to my filter list." ;-) I wonder how many people are on his list...?

Another lengthy essay from the Mr. fanatic, eh? I wonder whether his works contain subliminal messages, don't buy FIFA I really don't know...

:lol

so you correcting MY "grammatical" error is just as useless, "obtuse and predictable" (like you said) as me correcting yours judging from your logic. in that case, you shouldnt have corrected mine,,,,

two wrongs dont make a right.

Be logical when addressing me buddy.

logic?

(1) shpankey - preview article = things sound good re: FIFA 2005
(2) Mel - Here's the near-entire recent history of the series that says said article means less than nothing
(3) shpankey - you're selling PES!
(4) shpankey - you don't know what you're talking about
(5) Mel - Well, no; in addition to the evidence re: EA hype that you can easily access, I've worked in both world football and in the gaming industry.
-6 shpankey - This thread's hopeless, everyone else should ignore history in order to repeat it, and I define the context, even if that definition steps outsdie my original assertion.

That's a uni class in logic there, man...logical fallacies; there's non sequiteur, post hoc ergo propter hoc, appeals to pity fallacies, popularity fallacies, style over substance fallacies.,..hell, I could teach on the fundamental s of inductive, causal, and syllogistic fallacies of logic using a couple of humps who've posted in this thread alone...lmmfao!

Originally posted by Mel Brennan
logic?

(1) shpankey - preview article = things sound good re: FIFA 2005
(2) Mel - Here's the near-entire recent history of the series that says said article means less than nothing
(3) shpankey - you're sellig PES!
(4) shpankey - you don't knnow what you're talking about
(5) Mel - Well, no; in addition to the evidence re: EA hype that you can easily access, I've worked in both world football and in the gaming industry.
-6 shpankey - This thread hopeless, everyone else should ignore history in order to repeat it, and I define the context, even if that definition steps outsdie my original assertion.

That's a uni class in logic there, man...logical fallacies; there's non sequiteur, post hoc ergo propter hoc, appeals to pity fallacies, popularity fallacies, style over substance fallacies.,..hell, I could teach on the fundamental s of inductive, causal, and syllogistic fallacies of logic using a couple of humps who've posted in this thread alone...lmmfao!

Someone's swallowed a thesaurus I see. Let's see him score well at a Culture Fair IQ test, administered by MENSA. What a pretentious charlatan.

Originally posted by Ny8La8
so you correcting MY "grammatical" error is just as useless, "obtuse and predictable" (like you said) as me correcting yours judging from your logic. in that case, you shouldnt have corrected mine,,,,

two wrongs dont make a right.

Be logical when addressing me buddy.

My gosh, so dense. I wasn't correcting your grammar as much as making a POINT about how useless it is to do so. I was using irony on you.... If you are going to go around correcting someone's grammar, at least have good grammar yourself smart guy.

Jihi, just give up already. Nobody is buying your being "smart" when you're the one having to say it... over and over and over. Nobody is impressed. And frankly, you look like a dufus sitting there trying to convince everyone lol. The fact that you entirely missed the points in here kind of proves you're not that bright, your last post shows you have misinterpreted almost everything in this thread.

And before you waste our time again, sitting there and trying to think of some new kind of attack to post is not going to make you any more right or make you look any less stupid than you already do. But by all means, if it'll help you sleep at night, keep telling us how amazing you are. lol

Originally posted by Mel Brennan
logic?

(1) shpankey - preview article = things sound good re: FIFA 2005
(2) Mel - Here's the near-entire recent history of the series that says said article means less than nothing
(3) shpankey - you're selling PES!
(4) shpankey - you don't know what you're talking about
(5) Mel - Well, no; in addition to the evidence re: EA hype that you can easily access, I've worked in both world football and in the gaming industry.
-6 shpankey - This thread's hopeless, everyone else should ignore history in order to repeat it, and I define the context, even if that definition steps outsdie my original assertion.

That's a uni class in logic there, man...logical fallacies; there's non sequiteur, post hoc ergo propter hoc, appeals to pity fallacies, popularity fallacies, style over substance fallacies.,..hell, I could teach on the fundamental s of inductive, causal, and syllogistic fallacies of logic using a couple of humps who've posted in this thread alone...lmmfao![
lmaooo ,, that is gold! :rockman: (H) :crazyboy:

LOL we can't even critique any fifa games without being called a "fanboy" of other football games. The guy who wrote that long ass thesis on page 1 only talks about FIFA and no other game.

Originally posted by Bummy_JaB
LOL we can't even critique any fifa games without being called a "fanboy" of other football games. The guy who wrote that long ass thesis on page 1 only talks about FIFA and no other game.

Yeah, but everywhere else he takes the opportunity to promote the PES series- you'd think Konami had him on their books! I don't care if people think FIFA's crap... horses for courses. He's absolutely obsessed in his crusade against FIFA, trying to convert as many 'lost souls' as possible. Come on, there's no need to write so many epic theses to condemn EA's FIFA section...

I'd be surprised if the guy didn't have arthritis. ;-)

Originally posted by Bummy_JaB
LOL we can't even critique any fifa games without being called a "fanboy" of other football games. The guy who wrote that long ass thesis on page 1 only talks about FIFA and no other game.

You can if you want... nobody is stopping anyone from doing anything. But how are you going to "critique" a game that's not even out yet (FIFA 05)????

^^^^^ experience my friend,, if you were here last year (and the year before that as ive heard from the vets on this board), you would realize that there in fact IS truth in what the "fanboyz" (a loosely used term) are saying. but anyway, once someone has his/her mind set on something, it's hard to convince them otherwise.

(btw, if it'll mean anything, this is coming from a person who used to only play FIFA games)

Carry on,,,

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis, in the end analysis, is just a word. So is "fanboy." Now, I haven't been a boy in a long time, so maybe it'd better to call my ilk "fanmen," but I'm not offended by that time-wasting, "I have no authentic counter to your established argument" moniker.

Hell, call me a monkey******* whore-chasing alien unisexual circus retard for all I care...as long as you counter the argument.

But, again, the logic of the above, by the two "friends," (or are they sockpuppets??? Hmmmm...) is funny, maybe too funny to ignore. Just think about it; the very FIRST post refutes it, i.e., questioning the advocation for critique not of the actual game of FIFA 2005 (although that's how it's spun), but rather the hype and development process history, when we haven't played it, right? Yet the very first post that launches this thread indirectly ADVOCATES for FIFA 2005, through that hype engine, without ever having played it.

That's why I blasted on that position, b/c it's not only AS ludicrous as me saying FIFA 2005 in fact sucks as a game without having played it, but it's a WORSE, LESS tenable position, given the REALITY of the HISTORY of the series and the corporation behind it, PARTICULARLY given the fact that ENTIRELY different approaches to development have taken place with other "brands."

I don't compare FIFA as much to PES in terms of development as I do with other games under EA's OWN umbrella. Take the same look I did at FIFA's history of hype amounting to failed offerings (aside: quiz...how many years did FIFA actually TELL you that there would be the ability to chest the ball, when there IN FACT was no ability to do at all?), and compare it with Tiburon/MADDEN development, then take a look at Madden 2004's feature list and Madden 2005's feature list.

This is how a game develops when the world believes in your gameplay. If I didn't have EA Canada's horrible development history IN FRONT OF ME, if I didn't have EA's bull**** marketing of their porduct regardless of relative gameplay quality IN FRONT OF ME, I might hope, again, that FIFA 2005 would finally be the year that we could essentially put gameplay behind us, and focus upon the entirety of the experience, like I have, like millions have, with the Madden series (there, the shift took place years ago from gameplay, to "How can Tiburon continue to give me new experiences within the realm of gridiron such that I'll want to buy each year's iteration?).

All I'm arguing is that EA Canada and EA with regard to FIFA no longer deserve your hope. They deserve less than optimal expectation, which will lead to some kind and pleasant surprises if they acheive even that. This is not to say that EA Canada haven't put hours of work in; they have, of course. But just because you practice for hours and hours to go on the POP IDOL show doesn't mean you can actually sing.

Now, to argue that, in the face of the evidence, I'm gonna hope anyway, well, that's your opinion and option. Who cares?

But to argue I'm actually wrong in my assertions is at a minimum neurosis, and at worst psychotic; not becuase it's all about me, but rather it's about the actual facts that have been before us for years; the reason the long, illuminating post on the front page irks some so much is because that ISN'T my opinion, and it isn't even selective posting; it's painful, utterly clear reminders of the disappointment those who go back that far with the series have had, GIVEN the hype engine around the game, a hype engine which the launch of this thread was buying into, and which simply had to be refuted. Period. End of story.

Go and get that gallon of Haterade out of the fridge and down it if you want, but truth stands firm and tall, never to be blemished, or obscured, or covered up by distractions such as the employment of "fanboy." That's both less than useful, and less than useless.

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