Since nother of the mods havn't bothered (and most aren't seen around here) I've followed Ruud's lead from the CM forum and this thread will be the thread to put in all the official data about TCM2005.

Tactical Special:
http://www.totalclubmanager.com/index.php?class=4&i=120

Summary:
- Now able to set player positions depending on where the ball is, and whether you have the ball or are not in possession
- New player commands, such as telling a player to run with the ball until a teammate runs into a scoring position
- New player commands in 3D mode: Full Attack
Full Defend
Sit Back
Clearance
Out and Out Defence
Push Forward
Keep Ball
Long Ball
Kick the Ball Out
Play Through the Middle
Play Down the Wings
Counter Attack
Play Dirty
Pressing

Gamespot Preview:
http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?threadid=106794

Confirmed Features:
- UEFA Euro 2004 match engine
- Football Fusion returns (although I never did fooy fusion, as FIFA is :sb9: )
- Create your own team and put them into the league
- Players now have 26 attributes, 6 of which are hidden
- Players can now have up to 4 of 16 mental attributes
- Attributes are now rated on a scale of 1-99
- Better AI in the 3D game

Screenshots - http://www.totalclubmanager.com/index.php?class=3&i=34

Well there you have it . . . it looks like a fairly decent game but I don't think it will really challenge FM0405 this year. FM has over 100 attributes whilst this has 30 (as you can only have 4/16 mental attributes), but who knows? Hopefully with the improved match engine the matches will be better: in TCM2003 it wsa far too easy to win in 3D, and in TCM2004 the matches were daft, with players shooting from bizarre range and refusing to actually play football.

Also not that much info is known - if we need to make more pu we can just steal some of FM's features and make it slightly worse :ewan:

Originally posted by champdave
(and most aren't seen around here)

ive only seen a mod post in here maybe once.

good work getting all of the stuff though champdave

I've tried the football fusion thing, and it really destroys the gameplay. If you're a master at FIFA, you can win the league with a bas squad and tactic. :( If the AI improves enough it might work, sometime.

Good effort in doing this Dave (Y)

ps: FM has over 150 attributes for a player, but I do think they count birthplace, dob etc as well :p

well well, a rare venture from me into enemy territory here :D

Dont worry its only to say one thing, Dave get your ass back to the CM forum you traitor :kader:

P.S - TCM is crap, lol

TROD.

P.S - Joking aside, im not quite sure why Dave hasnt been recomended for mod over at the CM forum AND here

Originally posted by TROD
well well, a rare venture from me into enemy territory here :D

Dont worry its only to say one thing, Dave get your ass back to the CM forum you traitor :kader:

P.S - TCM is crap, lol

TROD.

P.S - Joking aside, im not quite sure why Dave hasnt been recomended for mod over at the CM forum AND here Appoining new mods is strictly against SG religion, only done is desparete circumstances :p

PS: This is probably my first post in this forum too. I'm scared :(

Ruuds here aswell, lol. Lets turn this into a CM Outpost in enemy territory! lol

lets talk about CM!!!

TROD.

Originally posted by TROD
Ruuds here aswell, lol. Lets turn this into a CM Outpost in enemy territory! lol

lets talk about CM!!!

TROD. So then, what's your favourite formation on CM?

my old All Out Attack one from CM0102

here it is.

TROD.

I like my 4-4-2. You should see this screenshot of the amount of goals Thierry Henry has scored with it this is the tcm forum and theres nothing you guys can do about it:D

here it comes, the screenshot that has been shown more times than me Le Tallec 114m bid one, go on show them all your Henry brilliance

TROD.

If y'all don't stop posting CM stuff here I'll delete the thread - I may not be a mod but it's my thread.

Bo' :p(H)

I'll still be around the CM one, give me a couple of weeks and I'll be bored of TCM :ewan:

To quote a legend . . .

Don't forget Tom, I may not be the biggest fan of TCM, but I don't mind playing it, like you, and a lot of others, do. ;)

ive played it, i just dont like it. lol

TROD.

The 3D matches this year look pretty good, even if they do use the UEFA 2004 game engine. The one new class thing is that there is an option to have a TV show - a highlights program from the matches that were played (H)

3D matches, i spit on you! Spit on you!

TROD.

Shows how crap the mods are on this forum :rolleyes:

What mods? :confused: (H)

I posted on the official TCM forums that EA should dump the FIFA engine and let Konami have all the liscences and got hastily flamed :ewan:

The 3D option looks pretty good this year tho, as the EURO2004 engine is good to watch, crap to play.

CM sucks, TCM rules, for all you CM lovers

they should really appoint some new mods in this forum, lmao

TROD.

we've been invaded by the CM crew :(

TROD i think your right. ive only seen a mod here once. i recomend champdave if they do need a new on though.

Originally posted by joni84
CM sucks, TCM rules, for all you CM lovers

Mind telling why? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by joni84
CM sucks, TCM rules, for all you CM lovers

Not wise to say when we are getting hijacked by the CM'ers! :ewan:

I think: FM0405 > TCM05 > CM5 (H)

we have to defend the honor of the best soccer management ever!

yeah thats right, clearly you're talking about CM0304, muhahahha

CM0304 is so much better than TCM, on CM0304 you cant aqquire 13 year olds already as good as 27 year olds, on TCM you can :rolleyes:

get some new mods for gods sake

TROD.

Originally posted by TROD
yeah thats right, clearly you're talking about CM0304, muhahahha

CM0304 is so much better than TCM, on CM0304 you cant aqquire 13 year olds already as good as 27 year olds, on TCM you can :rolleyes:

get some new mods for gods sake

TROD.


oh yea, that is i call "REALISM" a 13 y. old player that has the same level of one of 27.....mmmm...i dont think so, go back to your stupid CM topic

He says Can't (without the ' though, but still.....).

Something TCM doesn't have: Maxim! Maxim!

Originally posted by PSVFOREVER
He says Can't (without the ' though, but still.....).

Something TCM doesn't have: Maxim! Maxim!

in TCM you cant acquire a 13 y old with same level, you can acquire a 13 y old player with talent but the level comes with the training

Look at that screen!!!!! what a piece of crap!!

TCM RULES!!!!!!!

(H)

Originally posted by joni84

Look at that screen!!!!! what a piece of crap!!

TCM RULES!!!!!!!
You just don't get it huh? CM is so much more popular cause of that screenie: realism, better/more player stats that's CM. With TCM you can control your own players so it's easy to win everything you want even if you're are, with all do respect, FC Volendam. TCM is more a bad look-a-like of FIFA, and FIFA is already a piece of ****. No, TCM is more for those kids that like action and don't care about wheter the game is realistic or not.

Oh and BTW please stop posting TCM RULES; it's really annoying.

you shouldnt have said that, he'll keep on doing it now.

TCM's match engine is also really realistic aswell :p

TROD.

CM has a 2D engine, beat that(H)

Go George (H)

i dont care what CM "lovers" says, for me is only TCM.

TCM RULES!!!!!!!!! CM sucks!!!!!!!!

As I said many times before: different target group.

what are you talking about??

TCM rules!!

are you really this dumb? we're trying to tell you that TCM is for kids that want action.
BTW have you ever played CM?

Originally posted by joni84
what are you talking about??

TCM rules!!

He means that TCM is aimed at people who are caught by a more eye catching less tactical and statistics based game. CM isnt as good on the eye but it is much more based on tactics and player stats.

I think thats what he means

CM is more deep put simply, and therefore because it is deeper it is aimed at a more intelectual and generally older demographic

TROD.

i play both tcm04 and cm4 and like both. but yes, in terms of tactics and management skill, cm is better. i like the tcm bcoz i has more things to manage like buildings, stadiums, sales etc. i like the interviews and newspaper. and i can take my club to anywhere using football fusion(kind of cheating) bcoz i can beat real madrid while playing as a second div english team.

but, when it comes to realism and managerial skills, its cm for me.

CM is more true to life, e.g. a MANAGER does not decide whether to build new Stadiums or whether to chance ticket prices

TROD.

i would call TCM - Total Club Manager.

more like Total Club Manager, Managing Director and Chairman

personally i like Total Crap Manager

TROD.

This forum is remarkably more active since our ''invasion'' :p

Originally posted by rpvankasteren
As I said many times before: different target group.
Like Mixafendis says (or someone else?) : shiny gfx all the way!(H)

Originally posted by Dazmania
i would call TCM - Total Club Manager.

more like Total Club Manager, Managing Director and Chairman

If you'd actually bother to play the game at all you'd realize that you can only choose to set ticket prices and stadium expanions if you'd chosen "Jack of all Trades" or "Chairman" at the start of the game. If you want to simply be a manger than you don't control these aspects.

Originally posted by Armageddon
If you'd actually bother to play the game at all you'd realize that you can only choose to set ticket prices and stadium expanions if you'd chosen "Jack of all Trades" or "Chairman" at the start of the game. If you want to simply be a manger than you don't control these aspects.

I do actually (sometimes) play the game, and compared to CM, it feels like you are totally incharge of the Club and do almost everything.

:crazyboy: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by PSVFOREVER
This forum is remarkably more active since our ''invasion'' :p



theres even a mod here now(H)

CM dead!

Again I'm stunned by your remarkable arguements... :rolleyes:

oh oh ja! you are really funny....

CM is better than TCM, but TCM is still damn fun (H)

you say that to me, when iam seeing the arguememts of the CM players: "TCM is for kids", that its not a reason

I haven't heard any good arguement of you. Only TCM Rules and CM sucks so it's obvious you're such a kid that want action and can't come up with an arguement.

Now read this carefully cause I'll only say this once: TCM IS NOT REALISTIC!

You forgot the "AT ALL" bit there.

The FIFA engine is just not up to the task a manager game brings it. Not enough parameters that influence the gameplay.

I still like TCM, but it's for those times you don't want to have to think about what you're doing.

i've played bought both TCM03 and CM4, and since that day i like more the TCM series, and dont know i like more the menus, the statics, all, i know the game have errors (database sucks) but for me is not unreallistic, at least in text mode (its the mode i allways play)

try CM 03/04 it's much better
And may I ask what you call realistic?
IMO it's thousends of players that you can choose from. And have you ever seen a manager that can control his players with a few buttons?
And if you're masturbating about menu's then you are as Ruud so nicely said: a diffrent target group.

it worries me that there is actually someone who has played both and still prefers TCM, usually its people who cant be arsed with the fact CM0304 "looks poo" and choose a less intelectually challenging game instead.

However, to find someone who genuinlly thinks that TCM is better (AND in text mode) than CM0304 is quite remarkable.

TCM is good fun, ill gladly say that, but for me and a lot of people, the fun quickly runs out as you constantly lead your team to glory easily and the money just keeps rolling in.

CM0304 is just more complex but still manages to keep it on track instead of branching out into the business side of things, CM has had 10+ years to perfect a match engine, how TCM players can possibly think that one is better than the fine tuned perfection of the CM one is shocking.

TROD.

in my opinion TCM is not a game to "play for fun"
have you ever play it in the most difficult level????

Originally posted by Zlatan
try CM 03/04 it's much better
And may I ask what you call realistic?
IMO it's thousends of players that you can choose from. And have you ever seen a manager that can control his players with a few buttons?
And if you're masturbating about menu's then you are as Ruud so nicely said: a diffrent target group.

you say you can choose thousend of players??? in the real life is not like that??? explain this please, i dont understand

and about the menus, about you say , if you like to play prehistoric games go on and play the first CM (not much difference with the lattest)
So you whant arguements okay, thets argue about this.

sorry, lets argue about this

Originally posted by joni84
in my opinion TCM is not a game to "play for fun"
have you ever play it in the most difficult level????

you say you can choose thousend of players??? in the real life is not like that??? explain this please, i dont understand


no no, you don't understand it, I mean the database has thousends of players. But you must scout them. For example as Cody sayd: Maxim isn't in TCM.
And IRL you haven't got any difficult level, the way you can make it difficult is too manage a club from a lower league and you can make it easier to play with Real Madrid etc.

ok you win, i am gonna try CM again, i have to prove if the game is as good as you say (you all say)

I forgot TCM had a difficulty level yeah, lol

TROD.

Originally posted by joni84
ok you win, i am gonna try CM again, i have to prove if the game is as good as you say (you all say)
and another TCM fan converted to CM... :)
I convinced somebody else today too on another board.

but i am still loyal to TCM

go play CM0304! Ill see you over at the CM forums in a few days, bye :p

TROD.

OK, from now on, only posts about developments for TCM2005. :)

luckily you put order champdave

cant wait for FM2005, really wanna start a new game with Liverpool, but it would be stupid to do so.

TROD. :p

Originally posted by TROD
cant wait for FM2005, really wanna start a new game with Liverpool, but it would be stupid to do so.

TROD. :p

If I were a mod, I would've changed it to TCM2005 (H) Seriously Tom, go home to the CM forum to talk about that.

I'm going to learn the ropes of TCM2005 as Liverpool or Monaco and then play as Myllykosken Pallo -47 if they have the Finnish league on.

Tsigalko will be in TCM2005, btw, he transferred to Maritimo (Portugal) as you might know. Away goes a big advantage CM had over TCM.

I didn't know that lol :D
But I think we will still have the advantage with Maxim cause I don't think he'll be that good in TCM.

Yeah, like Källström, Farnerud etc. took EA a while to get them properly rated. The database on TCM is shocking really, they need to get a better team of scouts.

yea, the database sucks, i found players of 82 years old!.
In TCM2005 i will start with Palermo of Serie A, i think.

but who in FM2005 Joni?

TROD.

Originally posted by champdave
If I were a mod, I would've changed it to TCM2005 (H) Seriously Tom, go home to the CM forum to talk about that.

:)

Originally posted by TROD
it worries me that there is actually someone who has played both and still prefers TCM, usually its people who cant be arsed with the fact CM0304 "looks poo" and choose a less intelectually challenging game instead.

However, to find someone who genuinlly thinks that TCM is better (AND in text mode) than CM0304 is quite remarkable.

TCM is good fun, ill gladly say that, but for me and a lot of people, the fun quickly runs out as you constantly lead your team to glory easily and the money just keeps rolling in.

CM0304 is just more complex but still manages to keep it on track instead of branching out into the business side of things, CM has had 10+ years to perfect a match engine, how TCM players can possibly think that one is better than the fine tuned perfection of the CM one is shocking.

TROD.

CM is intellectually challenging :rofl:
Yes. This game will push your brain to its limit...asking yourself questions like "Cerci or Braathen up front"?
:rolleyes:
I think TCM is more of an "intellecutal challenge" because of the menus. Those go above and beyond the level of human cognition

Originally posted by Zlatan

Now read this carefully cause I'll only say this once: TCM IS NOT REALISTIC!

Originally added by Ruud

AT ALL!!!



For more info please read the whole thread.

them menus on TCM arnt hard to understand Eugene, i thyink you'll find that if you actually have a good look at them they arnt exactly... challenging.

Cerci or Braathen upfront eh, yeah thats right, because clearly all of us use 'cheat' players upfront, obviously thats the only think you did when you played it.

Found a list of 'wonder' players online and bought them all for your favourite team, if that IS what you did IF you have played CM, then i pity you.

TROD.

It's not hard to find wonder players on TCM, search for >21 years old, 5* talent and you have them. :)

That I don't like about it, and the actual database is crappy and buggy.

Same goes for the match engine. :)

(btw, <21 years old, right?)

yeah ruud, though you might aswell search for under 14's.

TROD.

Originally posted by TROD
them menus on TCM arnt hard to understand Eugene, i thyink you'll find that if you actually have a good look at them they arnt exactly... challenging.

Cerci or Braathen upfront eh, yeah thats right, because clearly all of us use 'cheat' players upfront, obviously thats the only think you did when you played it.

Found a list of 'wonder' players online and bought them all for your favourite team, if that IS what you did IF you have played CM, then i pity you.

TROD.

uhm...I heard of Braathen and Cerci and they became the backbone of my West Ham team which I led out of division 1 with 100+ points and then became champion of the EPL two divisions later. Would be happy to play you.

Was I supposed to buy crappy players from Tongo and the Soloman Islands or something? I looked into doing that. They had a decent prospect named van Eidjik or something like that.

And no I haven't played CM. All those pictures I posted about my Inter and West Ham teams were really knock ups I made in MS-PAINT.

I have to agree with you that using players with ability above 100 is shameless. You should buy all the worst players when you play CM so it's challenging and you waste even more time doing it.

:rolleyes:

I hope this post didn't stimulate your brain to the point of orgasm because of how intellectually challenging it is for you.

:rolleyes:

You're not supposed to know their ability and potential. Try again without CM Scout, maybe that will make it more challenging...

:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:

i hope you feel happy spending so much time on MSPaint Eugene, now go back under whatever rock you came from, no-one likes you here. Goodbye.

TROD.

holly crap why do you guys have to constantly bash each other's games? just play the one you like and stop slagging the other one.

its a good point....and usualy im fine with it, i just dont like Eugene.

TROD.

Originally posted by TROD
i just dont like Eugene.

TROD.


tell me someone who DOES like the tosser! :rolleyes:

my point exactly.

TROD.

Originally posted by TROD
yeah ruud, though you might aswell search for under 14's.

TROD.

You can only buy players in the professional teams, so you can only view U15's, U17's national team and not buy them :ewan: (H)

the new TCM2005 player stats:
http://www.totalclubmanager.com/index.php?class=4&i=122

Aye, saw that too (Y) 56 stats is pretty good, and some "interesting" character traits . . like introverted. (like me :( )

But no more "nippy winger" or "playmaker" bonuses . . . no more +2.5 for footy god :(

i just read the entire thread and i laughed.

thank you.

Yay finally the stats are becoming more FM 2002 like. Might have to play this game a bit more

I still think 0-30 would've been better than 0-100 . . we'll have to see.

Still its better than the system that was in TCM 03 and 04

On http://www.totalclubmanager.com they have a few screenshots of players that have transferred - IMO Drogba is very overrated . . I hope there aren't too many overratings/underratings but I guess everyone has their own opinion of a player.

the reason i bought cm03/04 (my 1st management game) was becuase u can manage more NT's than TCM....I am from the concacaf region and with CM i was able to manage my country..TCM you could only do (from information given to me when i asked around) European teams and South American teams... by the way does anyone know if this has changed for the new TCM??

I think it has changed, but I couldn't be 100% sure. I think they got Holland/Wales too.

well if they have changed it then i'll probably buy it....doesn't hurt to try new things...but only if i'm 100% sure i can manage my country

Right here's my opinion.... Championship manager gets borin after a while... And after each match my computer very slowly went through every score in my country. TCM is good fun to play on although the football fusion graphics are rather poor. Also on TCM u can easily create a player and team and edit kits. And you can actually SEE the game and not just see little dots around the screen.
And there are some funny things in text mode, I had a readme for all the possible commentaries and there were things like "A magpie has landed on the pitch"
although someone i know who had CM 2000 or something claims that a referee scored in one of his matches?!

It's because of this lil' dots CM is this fun. And it's very easy to go talk **** about CM if you talk about CM 2000. TCM is for the small minded, shiny graphics all the way(credit to Alex) people...

new screenshots of TCM2005 in www.totalclubmanager.com the game is close to be release, i cant wait

Originally posted by jlewis10
Right here's my opinion.... Championship manager gets borin after a while... And after each match my computer very slowly went through every score in my country. TCM is good fun to play on although the football fusion graphics are rather poor. Also on TCM u can easily create a player and team and edit kits. And you can actually SEE the game and not just see little dots around the screen.
And there are some funny things in text mode, I had a readme for all the possible commentaries and there were things like "A magpie has landed on the pitch"
although someone i know who had CM 2000 or something claims that a referee scored in one of his matches?!

You really dont know what your talking about right?

Yes I do, on the text when this referee scored it said something like "Mr. Baines has scored" lol don't ask i was told this. The best fun on CM i have had was when as Farnborough Town i took Man City to a replay in the FA Cup. It's good how you can view the matches as well. Like a highlights show lol.
I would give CM 60 % and TCM 73%. U shld see the euro 2004 game in tcm, you are asked to manage a team, for example in the world cup i got UAE i think. And it has a cool newspaper.

woohoo it has a shiny newspaper woooooh!

the new TCM 2005 official forum is on, check it at www.totalclubmanager.com