SPORT LISBOA E BENFICA 04/05

Squad:

Keepers:
01- José MOREIRA (Portugal)
12- Joaquim Silva "QUIM" (Portugal Int.)

Defenders:
23- MIGUEL Monteiro (Portugal Int.) -- 2 goals (2 league 0 cup 0 uefa)
47- JOÃO PEREIRA (Portugal) -- 2 goals (0 league 1 cup 1 uefa)
04- Anderson Silva "LUISÃO" (Brazil Int.) -- 1 goal (1 league 0 cup 0 uefa)
30- ANDRÉ LUIS Garcia (Brazil Int.)
13- ALCIDES Eduardo (Brazil)
33- RICARDO ROCHA (Portugal Int.)
55- EDUARDO SIMÕES (Portugal)
14- Panagiotas FYSSAS (Greece Int.)
18- Manuel DOS SANTOS (France) -- 1 goal (0 league 0 cup 1 uefa)

Midfielders:
05- PAULO ALMEIDA (Brazil)
06- Armando Teixeira "PETIT" (Portugal Int.) -- 2 goals (2 league 0 cup 0 uefa)
08- BRUNO AGUIAR (Portugal)
19- EVERSON Silva (Brazil)
37- MANUEL FERNANDES (Portugal Int.) -- 1 goal (1 league 0 cup 0 uefa)
65- FERNANDO ALEXANDRE (Portugal)
07- Carlos Garcia "CARLITOS" (Portugal)
11- GEOVANNI Deiberson (Brazil Int.) -- 10 goals (6 league 4 cup 0 uefa)
15- NUNO ASSIS Almeida (Portugal Int.) -- 3 goals (2 league 1 cup 0 uefa)
20- SIMÃO Sabrosa (Portugal Int.) -- 20 goals (14 league 2 cup 4 uefa)
77- JOÃO VILELA (Portugal)

Forwards:
09- Pedro MANTORRAS (Angola Int.) -- 5 goals (5 league 0 cup 0 uefa)
21- Nuno Ribeiro "NUNO GOMES" (Portugal Int.) -- 12 goals (7 league 2 cup 3 uefa)
22- Azar KARADAS (Norway Int.) -- 6 goals (4 league 0 cup 2 uefa)
34- Andrija DELIBASIC (Serbia)

Staff:
Giovanni Trapattoni (Manager)
Álvaro Magalhães (Assistant Manager)
Fausto Rossi (Coach)
Adriano Bardin (keepers coach)
Rodolfo Moura (Physio)

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Matches played so far:
Carouge 0-2 BENFICA (Friendly) -- (Sokota, Amoreirinha)
BENFICA 1-0 Zaragoza (Friendly) -- (Zahovic)
BENFICA 2-0 Marseille (Friendly) -- (Zahovic 2)
BENFICA 2-2 Real Madrid (Friendly) (Zahovic, Geovanni)
BENFICA 0-3 Betis (Friendly)
Braga 1-1 BENFICA (Friendly) (Amoreirinha)
BENFICA 1-0 Anderlecht (CL 3rd qual. 1st Leg) -- (Zahovic)
Estoril 0-2 BENFICA (Friendly) -- (Zahovic, Vilela)
BENFICA 0-1 Porto (SuperCup Final)
Anderlecht 3-0 BENFICA (CL 3rd qual. 2nd leg)
Beira Mar 2-3 BENFICA (SuperLiga Week 1) -- (Karadas 2, Petit)
BENFICA 2-0 Moreirense (SuperLiga Week 2) -- (Petit, Simão)
Banska Bystrica 0-3 BENFICA (UEFA Cup 1st Round 1st Leg) -- (Simão 2, João Pereira)
Académica 0-1 BENFICA (SuperLiga Week 3) -- (Simão)
Belenenses 2-2 BENFICA (Friendly) -- (Argel, Geovanni)
BENFICA 0-0 Braga (SuperLiga Week 4)
BENFICA 2-0 Banská Bystrica (UEFA Cup 1st Round 2nd Leg) -- (Zahovic, Simão)
Guimarães 1-2 BENFICA (SuperLiga Week 5) -- (Simão, Geovanni)
BENFICA 0-1 Porto (SuperLiga Week 6)
BENFICA 4-2 Heerenveen (UEFA Cup Group Stage Game 1) -- (Dos Santos, Karadas, Nuno Gomes 2)
BENFICA 2-1 Nacional (SuperLiga Week 7) -- (Karadas, Sokota)
BENFICA 3-1 Oriental (Cup 4th Round) -- (Sokota 2, Geovanni)
Gil Vicente 1-1 BENFICA (SuperLiga Week 8) -- (Simão)
Stuttgart 3-0 BENFICA (UEFA Cup Group Stage Game 2)
BENFICA 4-0 Setúbal (SuperLiga Week 9) -- (Karadas, Sokota, Geovanni, Simão)
Maritimo 1-1 BENFICA (SuperLiga Week 10) -- (Simão)
BENFICA 3-3 Rio Ave (SuperLiga Week 11) -- (Simão 2, Sokota)
BENFICA 2-0 Dinamo Zagreb (UEFA Cup Group Stage Game 3) -- (Sokota, Simão)
Leiria 1-0 BENFICA (SuperLiga Week 12)
Beveren 0-3 BENFICA (UEFA Cup Group Stage Game 4) -- (Simão, Zahovic 2)
BENFICA 2-1 Estoril (SuperLiga Week 13) -- (Simão 2)
Belenenses 4-1 BENFICA (SuperLiga Week 14) -- (Sokota)
BENFICA 1-0 Penafiel (SuperLiga Week 15) -- (Argel)
BENFICA 4-1 AD Oliveirense (Portuguese Cup 5th Round) -- (Simão, Zé Manuel og, Sokota, Geovanni)
Sporting 2-1 BENFICA (SuperLiga Week 16) -- (Nuno Gomes)
BENFICA 4-0 Boavista (SuperLiga Week 17) -- (Simão, Nuno Gomes 2, Mantorras)
BENFICA 0-2 Beira Mar (SuperLiga Week 18)
BENFICA 3-3 Sporting (Portuguese Cup 6th Round) -- (Geovanni 2, Simão)
Moreirense 1-2 BENFICA (SuperLiga Week 19) -- (Nuno Gomes, Nuno Assis)
BENFICA 3-0 Académica (SuperLiga Week 20) -- (Geovanni, Simão x2)
Braga 0-0 BENFICA (SuperLiga Week 21)
CSKA Moscow 2-0 BENFICA (UEFA Cup Last 32-1st Leg)
BENFICA 2-1 Guimarães (SuperLiga Week 22) -- (Geovanni, Nuno Assis)
BENFICA 1-1 CSKA Moscow (UEFA Cup Last 32-2nd Leg) -- (Karadas)
Porto 1-1 BENFICA (SuperLiga Week 22) -- (Geovanni)
BENFICA 1-0 Beira Mar (Portuguese Cup Quarter-finals) -- (João Pereira)
Nacional 0-1 BENFICA (SuperLiga Week 24) -- (Nuno Gomes)
BENFICA 2-0 Gil Vicente (SuperLiga Week 25) -- (Mantorras, Miguel)
Setúbal 0-2 BENFICA (SuperLiga Week 26) -- (M.Fernandes, Geovanni)
BENFICA 4-3 Maritimo (SuperLiga Week 27) -- (Nuno Gomes², Miguel, Mantorras)
Rio Ave 1-0 BENFICA (SuperLiga Week 28)
BENFICA 1-1 Leiria (SuperLiga Week 29) -- (Mantorras)
Amadora 0-3 BENFICA (Portuguese Cup Semi-final) -- (Nuno Gomes², Nuno Assis)
Estoril 1-2 BENFICA (SuperLiga Week 30) -- (Luisão, Mantorras)
BENFICA 1-0 Belenenses (SuperLiga Week 31) -- (Simão)
Penafiel 1-0 BENFICA (SuperLiga Week 32)

Competitions to play in 04/05:

Champions League
current stage: lost in the 3rd qualifier (1-0/0-3 vs Anderlecht)

UEFA Cup
Current stage: lost in the Last 32 round (0-2/1-1 vs CSKA Moscow)

SuperLiga Galp Energia
current position: 1st (61 points)
Next Opponent: Sporting (home)

Portuguese Cup
current stage: Final
Next Opponent: Setubal (neutral)

Supercup
current stage: lost in the final (0-1 vs Porto)

BENFICA TROPHIES

National Leagues (30):
1935/36, 1936/37, 1937/38, 1941/42, 1942/43, 1944/45, 1949/50, 1954/55, 1956/57, 1959/60, 1960/61, 1962/63, 1963/64, 1964/65, 1966/67, 1967/68, 1968/69, 1970/71, 1971/72, 1972/73, 1974/75, 1975/76, 1976/77, 1980/81, 1982/83, 1983/84, 1986/87, 1988/89, 1990/91 1993/94

National Cups: (24)
1939/40, 1942/43, 1943/44, 1948/49, 1950/51, 1951/52, 1952/53, 1954/55, 1956/57, 1958/59, 1961/62, 1963/64, 1968/69, 1969/70, 1971/72, 1979/80, 1980/81, 1982/83, 1984/85, 1985/86, 1986/87, 1992/93, 1995/96 2003/04

National Supercups: (3)
1980/81, 1985/86, 1989/90

UEFA Champions Cup/League: (2)
1960/61 1961/62

woot woot.... porto here we come

Beautiful! Nice work punkt! :junior:

Btw, does anybody know of the TV coverage for the Estoril friendly match? Also are any TV rights confirmed for the Supertaça vs. Porto? :confused:

Estoril-Benfica will be on Saturday, broadcast by TVI.

No news on the Supercup coverage so far, though.

Great work Punkt :)

Originally posted by Punkt
03- Argélico ****s "ARGEL" (Brazil Int.)


:rofl:

Great work Punkt (Y).

it's time to collect the 4th supercup :)

Hey, i realise that our old thread is not closed :confused:

http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?s=&postid=1418544#post1418544

Originally posted by RuiCosta_10
:rofl:

Great work Punkt (Y).
That was the first thing I was gonna comment on upon seeing it with my own two eyes! :crazyboy:

Well, Argel does **** it sometimes... :p

Originally posted by RuiCosta_10
Hey, i realise that our old thread is not closed :confused:

http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?s=&postid=1418544#post1418544

yeah IceBlu said that the limit is 200 pages but i prefer open a new thread now since the beginning of the season. :)

SIC will broadcast the Anderlecht-Benfica match :)

and TVI will broadcast the friendly against Estoril, next saturday at 19.45 :)

Looks like Fyssas will play :)

GREGO JOGARÁ APENAS 45 MINUTOS FRENTE À REPÚBLICA CHECA

Rehhagel garante Fyssas na Supertaça

O Benfica recebeu por parte do seleccionador grego, Otto Rehhagel, a garantia de que Fyssas estará disponível para jogar a Supertaça, frente ao FC Porto.

O técnico campeão europeu assegurou aos encarnados que o lateral-esquerdo só alinhará 45 minutos, no encontro de carácter particular que os helénicos vão disputar a Praga, com a República Checa, no próximo dia 18.

Como é sabido, a Supertaça está marcada para dois dias depois, a 20, mas Fyssas terá tempo para regressar a Portugal e, mais importante, de se apresentar em condições físicas suficientes para se colocar entre o leque de opções de Giovanni Trapattoni.



Record news.

Estoril-Benfica 1 minute to kick off

Line up:

Quim
João Fonseca
Luisão
Eduardo Simões
Fyssas
Everson
Bruno Aguiar
Manuel Fernandes
Zahovic
João Vilela
Karadas

reserve squad
:)

Everson looks like he's mega "caceteiro" :crazyboy:

Half time: Estoril 0-2 Benfica

Zahovic scored again (H)

João Vilela is making a great match, great goal! (Y)

2-0 at halftime goals by Zahovic and João Vilela.

João Vilela has great passing and a strong shot he seems very promising.

Zahovic... OMG.. what's happening... Will he continue this performance in Superliga?

I hope so :p

Good game...

The players i liked most

João Vilela, great passes and a good goal... Manuel Fernandes in the second half was awesome... Luisão was OK... Quim stop a good penalty...

Everson was bad... too much "caceteiro" like Virgo said...

Good game to see other players and young players :)

with the reserves and some youth team players we won away against a supeliga opponent :)

Pre-season friendly

Estoril 0 BENFICA 2

Estádio António Coimbra da Mota, Estoril
Assistance: 3000
Referee: Hugo Miguel

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Estoril – Edmar, Rui Duarte, Dorival, Buba e João Pedro; Paulo Sousa, Cissé, N’Doye e Pinheiro; Fellahi e Arrieta.

used subs: Jorge, Ognjanovic, Torres, Elias, Hugo Santos, Felipe, Raphael, Maurel, Abadito e Milton

Manager: Ulisses Morais
--

Benfica – Quim, João Fonseca, Luisão, Eduardo Simões e Fyssas; Manuel Fernandes, Everson (88’ Diogo Cardoso) e Bruno Aguiar, Zahovic (cap.) (54’ Fábio Pereira), João Vilela e Karadas

Manager: Giovanni Trapattoni

==
THE GOALS:
0-1 -- Zlatko Zahovic 27'
Vilela shot hit the bar and the ball rebounds to Zahovic that makes no mistake

0-2 -- João Vilela 34'
Vilela power shot inside the box only stops in the left corner of the goal.

Everson is clearly in pitiful shape yet.

He showed some pretty nice touches and that he's clever when dealing with some situations like backheel passes and such.

Hopefully he'll get better and partner Petit in the midfield... I hate P. Almeida

I would love to see Manuel Fernandes with Petit..

He's awesome!!! I prefer him over anyone in Benfica midfield...

He defends very well... and attack even better.. Amazing second half he made today... Just hope he can play more than last season..

you could follow Benfica's run in the season in the first post of the thread. i will updating it every match. :)

Originally posted by RuiCosta_10
I would love to see Manuel Fernandes with Petit..

He's awesome!!! I prefer him over anyone in Benfica midfield...

He defends very well... and attack even better.. Amazing second half he made today... Just hope he can play more than last season..

But your coach doesn't seem to like him that much... Funny, because I think he's Benfica's hottest prospect... I can see him having a great career in Porto starting from next season. (H)

next season? Manuel Fernandes has contract until 2006 and with an option of one year more...

Lets wait and see what happens if he spends this season benched... [Mark these words ;)]

Originally posted by INFESTA
Lets wait and see what happens if he spends this season benched... [Mark these words ;)]

I doubt about that.. ;)

Originally posted by INFESTA
Lets wait and see what happens if he spends this season benched... [Mark these words ;)]

what happens? he broke his contract just because he's on the bench? :confused:

Originally posted by Punkt
what happens? he broke his contract just because he's on the bench? :confused:

Geez, your imagination is small or what. Actually, you didn't have to use your imagination at all (Deco, Maniche, etc...)
If he indeed spends a whole year on the bench I won't be surprised if Benfica dismisses this guy, same as they did with Ednilson, for example. And doesn anyone here questions is abbility?

Originally posted by INFESTA
Geez, your imagination is small or what. Actually, you didn't have to use your imagination at all (Deco, Maniche, etc...)
If he indeed spends a whole year on the bench I won't be surprised if Benfica dismisses this guy, same as they did with Ednilson, for example. And doesn anyone here questions is abbility?

dismiss? LOL

Benfica didn't dismissed Ednilson, he's on loan at Gil Vicente... and i think the cases are different. Fernandes is a solid talent for the future and Ednilson apart from the second part of the season 00/01, never showed anything special IMO.

off course Benfica will not dismiss Fernandes, the worst that we can do is sell him to a foreign club but even that i highly doubt.

(yes my imagination i think it's pretty good but never reached that level of madness) :crazyboy:

Fernandes is still young... 18? And he can't be "upset" for being at the bench... He, and all the Benfiquistas knows that he is the future of Benfica midfield... and that if he continue playing like that he will be a star! And maybe called to the Portuguese NT...

But, like i said before... he's still young... And it's completely normal being at the bench at his age... and when playing at the start eleven give all to the team, and prove that he deserve a place in the team... I don't think Trap don't like him... "pelo contrário"... I think he like him a lot.. he talk very nice things about him in the pre-season at Suiça... maybe he just don't want to put him at the start eleven so many times, like many coaches do... like Fergie with Ronaldo... Do you think that MANU fans were not disapointed when Fergie put Flethcer instead of Ronaldo...

And Trap is a coach that for what we are seeing... he will play with a more defensive tactic... so maybe, that's the reason to put two "pitbulls" in the picth like Petit and Almeida, instead of Fernandes...

IMO, Fernandes should start, because he's better to our eyes, plays better football... but maybe Benfica wouldn't have the consistence at defense like we're having in this pre-season..

So i say, give time to time...

And the time of Maniche's, Deco's, Hugo Leal's, etc etc... has end...

Now we don't have Vale de Azevedo has a president... We have Luís Filipe Vieira... that IMO is the right man to Benfica, and is doing a great job.

Fernandes is the future... like Vilella, Curto or João Fonseca(i like him) etc etc...

And believe me.. Benfica is different now... and we will not let this guys go to Porto or Sporting. :).

Originally posted by Punkt
Benfica didn't dismissed Ednilson, he's on loan at Gil Vicente... and i think the cases are different. Fernandes is a solid talent for the future and Ednilson apart from the second part of the season 00/01, never showed anything special IMO.

Didn't show anything special? The first time I saw Ednilson play was in a Roma game. There was this guy playing great in the midfield, and I was amazed when they said he was just 16! I was even more amazed when they said he was portuguese. Unfortunately, for players this young to be in top teams can do them more damage than anything. They need playing time, a lot of it, to develop, to gain solid experience... If they don't, usually turn out to be like Hugo Leal, Postiga, Viana, etc.
LeBron James is just a kid out of high-school and nobody would expect anything from him except to be a starter on his team. It's all a matter of how good you are.

Ronaldo's case is different. He was adjusting to a whole new country, whose language he didn't speak, a new league, new team-mates, new playing style, etc. He definitely needed time to adapt, and once he did SAF used him a lot, even when coming off the bench.


Like Ednilson was benched and then released, I don't see how the same scenario is that far off for Fernandes (in case he is also benched for most of the season). Anyway, this is one of those 'only-time-will-tell' kind of situations...

Ednilson didn't even got benched in Guimarães... Camacho, Jorge Jesus, Inacio, Jesualdo Ferreira, 4 coaches that didn't bet on him, 4 not 1 or 2... and he wasn't released.

and don't forget that Benfica wants to renew Fernandes's contract... so we renew with him and release him? :confused:

Is Trappatoni gonna bring in any Italian/Serie A players?

I don't think so... He try to bring Adani, but he prefer to go to Bolonha i think...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Punkt
Ednilson didn't even got benched in Guimarães... Camacho, Jorge Jesus, Inacio, Jesualdo Ferreira, 4 coaches that didn't bet on him, 4 not 1 or 2... and he wasn't released.

Dude, which part of 'Unfortunately, for players this young to be in top teams can do them more damage than anything. They need playing time, a lot of it, to develop, to gain solid experience... If they don't, usually turn out to be like Hugo Leal, Postiga, Viana, etc.' you didn't understand?


Originally posted by Punkt
and don't forget that Benfica wants to renew Fernandes's contract... so we renew with him and release him? :confused:

So what? The season hasn't even begun, and all we know is that Trap isn't using him with his usual starters. Like I said, lets wait until the end of the season and we'll continue this chat. Don't worry I'll remind you.

Originally posted by RuiCosta_10
I don't think so... He try to bring Adani, but he prefer to go to Bolonha i think...:rolleyes:

The newest rumors are linking him to Brescia...

Though I hope he does go to Benfica because I don't want the side facing Lele :( :p

Originally posted by SB9Dragon
The newest rumors are linking him to Brescia...


Yeah.. maybe it was Brescia, it started with a "B" so i get confused... :(

:p

Vilela has dedicated his goal to Baião, he has a tatoo in his back that is Baião written is chinese! :)

well,meanwhile isn't decided the tv that will broadcast the supercup, a polish channel already brought the rights. so if the game don't have a tv live transmission, we could watch it at Polsat Sport with a satelitte dish. :p

21:55 Superpuchar Portugalii - mecz: FC Porto - Benfica Lizbona

:crazyboy:

the game will probably be at sic or tvi...

Juventus have offered 10 million euros for Miguel. Benfica rejected the offer.

Lisbon sports paper Record is reporting that Juventus have tabled a 10 million Euro offer for Benfica and Portugal wing Miguel.
Miguel, who has one of the biggest surprises of the EURO 2004 tourny, is the player Juventus boss Fabio Capello wants in order to resolve his current right wing problems.

The report also indicates Benfica have rejected the Serie A side’s offer as it is 5 million Euros below what they want for the player.

The two clubs are expected to meet during the weekend in an attempt to settle their differences and seal the deal off.

from goal.com

I don't want Miguel to go... Even for 15 M €.. :(

We need him...



And Geovanni will be able to play in the SuperCup. :)

Originally posted by Punkt
Juventus have offered 10 million euros for Miguel. Benfica rejected the offer.

Lisbon sports paper Record is reporting that Juventus have tabled a 10 million Euro offer for Benfica and Portugal wing Miguel.
Miguel, who has one of the biggest surprises of the EURO 2004 tourny, is the player Juventus boss Fabio Capello wants in order to resolve his current right wing problems.

The report also indicates Benfica have rejected the Serie A side’s offer as it is 5 million Euros below what they want for the player.

The two clubs are expected to meet during the weekend in an attempt to settle their differences and seal the deal off.

from goal.com

What's up with european teams thinking they can come to Portugal and buy our best players for cheap? PdC is right: they're used to buy our best companies for almost free (GALPs, etc.) and expect football teams to act the same way.
Before selling Miguel, Benfica should look at how much Paulo Ferreira cost Chelsea.

Originally posted by INFESTA
Before selling Miguel, Benfica should look at how much Paulo Ferreira cost Chelsea.

the difference is, Roman overpayed ferreira for about twice, and this is Juventus, which dont have money to throw around like Chelsea.

Originally posted by Drvar
the difference is, Roman overpayed ferreira for about twice, and this is Juventus, which dont have money to throw around like Chelsea.

Yeah... the Ferreira deal was some kind of a joke.. really.. 20 M € is a bit to much for him... IMO

I doubt that Benfica will sell Miguel. I don´t think they really need the money after selling Tiago anyways. I also doubt that Moggi will give much more money for him. He will prolly remain another year in Benfica and then be sold when Luis Filipe Vieira or José Veiga have more time to pick a decent sub for Miguel.

Originally posted by RuiCosta_10
Yeah... the Ferreira deal was some kind of a joke.. really.. 20 M € is a bit to much for him... IMO

I don't think so, it was obvious he was not in shape in the end of the last season and in Euro 2004 but u have to look at what he made through the last 2 years he spent at Porto, he was probably the most regular player of our team and i think in his best form he's clearly the best portuguese RB and one of the best in Europe, maybe the most complete... ;) About Miguel i think Benfica is being too much "birrento", i mean, he's a good player(not as good as P.Ferreira) but IMO asking more than 10 million € is too much for such a player like him. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by [dfm]
I don't think so, it was obvious he was not in shape in the end of the last season and in Euro 2004 but u have to look at what he made through the last 2 years he spent at Porto, he was probably the most regular player of our team and i think in his best form he's clearly the best portuguese RB and one of the best in Europe, maybe the most complete... ;) About Miguel i think Benfica is being too much "birrento", i mean, he's a good player(not as good as P.Ferreira) but IMO asking more than 10 million € is too much for such a player like him. :rolleyes:

Ferreira is worth 10million €, Miguel a bit less. As i said, the difference is, that Roman could overpay Ferreira like he did, cause he has ****loads of money to blow, but Juventus dont, and Benfica set a higher price because they dont want to sell him.

Originally posted by [dfm]
I don't think so, it was obvious he was not in shape in the end of the last season and in Euro 2004 but u have to look at what he made through the last 2 years he spent at Porto, he was probably the most regular player of our team and i think in his best form he's clearly the best portuguese RB and one of the best in Europe, maybe the most complete... ;) About Miguel i think Benfica is being too much "birrento", i mean, he's a good player(not as good as P.Ferreira) but IMO asking more than 10 million € is too much for such a player like him. :rolleyes:

birrento? but now Benfica could not made the price for his own players? just because Juventus offers 10 Million we have to accept? what a joke... he has a 15 million clause so pay the 15 M...

Originally posted by [dfm]
I don't think so, it was obvious he was not in shape in the end of the last season and in Euro 2004 but u have to look at what he made through the last 2 years he spent at Porto, he was probably the most regular player of our team and i think in his best form he's clearly the best portuguese RB and one of the best in Europe, maybe the most complete... ;) About Miguel i think Benfica is being too much "birrento", i mean, he's a good player(not as good as P.Ferreira) but IMO asking more than 10 million € is too much for such a player like him. :rolleyes:

U saying that Ferreira value should be 20 € and that Miguel should be sold for less than 10€?!

Please... that just can be a joke...

I'm not saying Ferreira is not a good player.. cause he is... But i still consider Miguel better than him... He is a great player but 20€ is to much for a defender...

20M € is to much for ANY Right-back in the world...

Owen cost 12 million euros. Paulo Ferreira 20 million. You think this is a fair valuation?

Ferreira is my favourite right back in the world, but never I would rate him as high as 20 million euros. Mr. Abramovich and his laundry money can work out miracles.

Well, we thank those miracles, those 20 million can't be taken from us... :mrpimp:

Roger scored two goals in the brazilian NT friendly today. i think it's great because could appear some club interested on him :crazyboy:

Originally posted by Punkt
Roger scored two goals in the brazilian NT friendly today. i think it's great because could appear some club interested on him :crazyboy:

I hope so.. :p

Yeah, the dumbasses :)

Roger has no tactical culture, any kind of discipline on and off the field. He only has potential. And he's 26 years old. Someone with a potential still to fulfill at that age, makes me remember Dani. The difference is everyone wants to have Roger, so he doesn't go to Porto. Just because of that. Let Pinto da Costa have him and make another colection of players! Now of attacking midfielders! And one certainly has no level to play in Europe!

Trap call up for the SuperCup... Geovanni isn't there :S

Luisão, Argel, Paulo Almeida, Petit, Bruno Aguiar, Zahovic, Quim, Fyssas, Dos Santos, Everson, Simão, Karadas, Miguel, Yannick, Sokota, Ricardo Rocha, Manuel Fernandes, João Pereira e Amoreirinha.

Amoreirinha is back.. and Luisão is back to the official matches (H)

Futebol
Jogo da SuperTaça pode estar em risco
O jogo da SuperTaça Cândido de Oliveira poderá estar em risco, caso os clubes participantes (FC Porto e Benfica) levantarem problemas quanto ao estado do relvado do Estádio Municipal de Coimbra, palco da partida agendada para esta sexta-feira (21.15 horas).

A revelação é do próprio presidente da Federação Portuguesa de Futebol (FPF), Gilberto Madail, que, em entrevista à Renascença, diz ser «inadmissível que se tenham gasto milhões de euros em estádios e, de um momento para o outro, o relvado ficar completamente deteriorado». «E será possível o jogo ser adiado? Se os clubes levantarem problemas, haverá razões para pensarmos nessa situação», explicou.

in A Bola


This just can be a joke :kader:

Originally posted by RuiCosta_10
Futebol
Jogo da SuperTaça pode estar em risco
O jogo da SuperTaça Cândido de Oliveira poderá estar em risco, caso os clubes participantes (FC Porto e Benfica) levantarem problemas quanto ao estado do relvado do Estádio Municipal de Coimbra, palco da partida agendada para esta sexta-feira (21.15 horas).

A revelação é do próprio presidente da Federação Portuguesa de Futebol (FPF), Gilberto Madail, que, em entrevista à Renascença, diz ser «inadmissível que se tenham gasto milhões de euros em estádios e, de um momento para o outro, o relvado ficar completamente deteriorado». «E será possível o jogo ser adiado? Se os clubes levantarem problemas, haverá razões para pensarmos nessa situação», explicou.

in A Bola


This just can be a joke :kader:


the game has to be played! they have a sold out crowd and live tv coverage! there's too much in risk for they to call it back!

or else i can expect some riots around the city of coimbra...

the game will be played, it's confirmed (and with two different balls in each half LOL :crazyboy: )

Carlos Xistra will be the referee.

really?!?!!?



one of nike and other of adidas?

Originally posted by Parasol
really?!?!!?



one of nike and other of adidas?

yep. the roteiro and the nike.

the adidas roteiro is the superliga official ball so the clubs use it in the trainings but master Madail forgot to inform Benfica and Porto that the FPF official ball is the Nike, so they reach this pathetic and third world agreement of use 1 different ball in each half :rolleyes:

:crazyboy: :crazyboy: :crazyboy: :crazyboy:



it won't matter... since we'll take the cup

Originally posted by Punkt
yep. the roteiro and the nike.

the adidas roteiro is the superliga official ball so the clubs use it in the trainings but master Madail forgot to inform Benfica and Porto that the FPF official ball is the Nike, so they reach this pathetic and third world agreement of use 1 different ball in each half :rolleyes:

Oh god, FPF are so ridiculous... :kader: never saw this before, at least that i remember. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Punkt
yep. the roteiro and the nike.

the adidas roteiro is the superliga official ball so the clubs use it in the trainings but master Madail forgot to inform Benfica and Porto that the FPF official ball is the Nike, so they reach this pathetic and third world agreement of use 1 different ball in each half :rolleyes:

OMG, this federation is a JOKE!

This thing of the ball... OMG!!

At least i can laugh... what a bunch of clowns!!! :rofl:

I just wished that Madail had the balls to resign.

Originally posted by Punkt
yep. the roteiro and the nike.

the adidas roteiro is the superliga official ball so the clubs use it in the trainings but master Madail forgot to inform Benfica and Porto that the FPF official ball is the Nike, so they reach this pathetic and third world agreement of use 1 different ball in each half :rolleyes:

so vergonhas.. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by 3m1n3m
I just wished that Madail had the balls to resign.

He clearly has a problem with his balls. :D

We play alot better than Porto tonight... but it stills the same problem as ever... finnishing...

Sokota is a ghost.

Ricardo Rocha should've played instead of Argel... but well, i like this Benfica... lots of chances and good plays.. we own porto in the first half... I just hope we get better in finnishing...

Portuguese SuperCup

Benfica 0 Porto 1

Estádio Cidade de Coimbra, Coimbra
Attendance: 22.023
Referee: Carlos Xistra (Castelo Branco).

BENFICA: Quim, Miguel, Luisão, Argel, Dos Santos, Paulo Almeida (Bruno Aguiar, 66), Petit, João Pereira (Everson, 85), Zahovic (Karadas, 60), Simão e Sokota

PORTO: Vítor Baía, Seitaridis, Ricardo Costa, Pedro Emanuel, Nuno Valente, Costinha, Hugo Leal, Diego (César Peixoto, 22), Ricardo Quaresma (Bosingwa, 61), Carlos Alberto e McCarthy (Hélder Postiga, 77).

Yellow cards: Hugo Leal (29), César Peixoto (43), Luisão (43), Dos Santos (48), Zahovic (49), Costinha (83) e Bosingwa (85).

The goal:
counter attack of Porto, Quaresma in the left side take Argel out of his way with a great play and only with Quim in front of him shot to the goal.

Originally posted by INFESTA
He clearly has a problem with his balls. :D

Well, he has a pair, but he doesn't know which one he likes best.

21/08/2004 17:47 Informação à comunicação Social

Manuel Fernandes renova até 2010

A SAD do Sport Lisboa e Benfica renovou o contrato profissional com o jogador Manuel Fernandes, até 30 de Junho de 2010.

Esta renovação com o atleta, vem na sequência daquilo que é a aposta da SAD benfiquista, ou seja, renovar com os atletas formados no clube e com uma larga margem de progressão.

Actualmente com 18 anos, Manuel Fernandes, disse em exclusivo ao nosso site que «estou muito feliz com esta renovação. Sempre estive disposto a renovar com o Benfica, que é o clube do meu coração».

Manuel Fernandes referiu ainda que «a partir de agora estou unicamente concentrado nos dois próximos jogos, terça-feira com o Anderlecht para a Liga dos Campeões e depois na jornada inaugural da Superliga, frente ao Beira-Mar».

O jogador do Benfica espera ainda «conquistar muito troféus com a camisola do clube», ao longo dos próximos anos.


A fantastic new to animate us after the defeat agains fcp!!!

:rockman: :rockman: :rockman: :rockman:

Originally posted by RuiCosta_10
21/08/2004 17:47 Informação à comunicação Social

Manuel Fernandes renova até 2010

A SAD do Sport Lisboa e Benfica renovou o contrato profissional com o jogador Manuel Fernandes, até 30 de Junho de 2010.

Esta renovação com o atleta, vem na sequência daquilo que é a aposta da SAD benfiquista, ou seja, renovar com os atletas formados no clube e com uma larga margem de progressão.

Actualmente com 18 anos, Manuel Fernandes, disse em exclusivo ao nosso site que «estou muito feliz com esta renovação. Sempre estive disposto a renovar com o Benfica, que é o clube do meu coração».

Manuel Fernandes referiu ainda que «a partir de agora estou unicamente concentrado nos dois próximos jogos, terça-feira com o Anderlecht para a Liga dos Campeões e depois na jornada inaugural da Superliga, frente ao Beira-Mar».

O jogador do Benfica espera ainda «conquistar muito troféus com a camisola do clube», ao longo dos próximos anos.


A fantastic new to animate us after the defeat agains fcp!!!

:rockman: :rockman: :rockman: :rockman:

(Y):rockman: (Y)

I wish Trappatoni would play him more often instead of Paulo Almeida :(


Is there a reasonable explanation for R.Rocha not being in the team in yesterday's game?

Argel is a liability, he may be an important player to motivate the locker room but he can't be used in important games.

Luisao on the other hand played very well yesterday, I think he has improved a lot over the last year.

I just hope Luisao and R.Rocha start against Anderlecht

Originally posted by Virgo
I wish Trappatoni would play him more often instead of Paulo Almeida :(


Is there a reasonable explanation for R.Rocha not being in the team in yesterday's game?

Argel is a liability, he may be an important player to motivate the locker room but he can't be used in important games.

Luisao on the other hand played very well yesterday, I think he has improved a lot over the last year.

I just hope Luisao and R.Rocha start against Anderlecht

Same opinion here... Manuel Fernandes is MUCH better that Paulo Almeida... but, well, Almeida is doing a good job.. so Either Almeida or M. Fernandes are good options for the midfield...

As for Argel... I REALLY hope that Trap open his eyes and put RRocha against Anderlecht...

O Argel vai encostar de vez... espero :)

1 GREAT and 1 bad new today!

Nuno Gomes é nesta altura uma das principais preocupações do departamento clínico do Benfica. O ponta-de-lança benfiquista continua a recuperar de uma rotura parcial no ligamento interno do joelho direito sofrida durante o Euro'2004 e só deverá regressar à competição em meados de Setembro.

:( We need him...

Giovanni Trapattoni recebeu ontem uma boa notícia, no entanto, tendo em conta que pôde finalmente contar com Carlitos durante o treino realizado da parte da tarde no Estádio da Luz. Recorde-se que o extremo-direito contratado ao Estoril se lesionou durante o estágio em Nyon, ao sofrer uma tendinite no bicípete crural do joelho direito (16 de Julho). Desde essa altura que o internacional Sub-21 português se tem limitado a efectuar tratamento e trabalho de ginásio.


:rockman:

no more Joao Pereira hopefully, the kid isn't playing very well this year

ready for entering in hell guys? :D

for the lil story, we won yesterday at Beveren 0-1, goal of M'penza.

cheers and good luck





BTW: is there anybody here wo makes the travel to Brussels?

Benfica squad to Brussels:

Guarda-redes: Quim e Yannick.

Defesas: Miguel, Fyssas, Dos Santos, Luisão, Amoreirinha, Ricardo Rocha e Argel.

Médios: Paulo Almeida, Petit, Everson, Bruno Aguiar, Manuel Fernandes, João Pereira, Carlitos, Geovanni, Zahovic e Simão.

Avançados: Karadas e Sokota.

probably ours with our ******* coach

----------------------------Zitka-----------------------------

---Zewlakow :rolleyes: -- Kompany (H) -- Traoré-- Deschacht----


Wilhelmsson or Mpenza---Hasi--Baseggio--Wilhelmsson or Seol


-----------Mpenza or Jestrovic--------Aruna----------


subs: Peersmann, Jestrovic/Seol, Lovre, Van den Borre, Junior, Iatchouck, Zetterberg, De Man

Originally posted by Punkt
Benfica squad to Brussels:

Guarda-redes: Quim e Yannick.

Defesas: Miguel, Fyssas, Dos Santos, Luisão, Amoreirinha, Ricardo Rocha e Argel.

Médios: Paulo Almeida, Petit, Everson, Bruno Aguiar, Manuel Fernandes, João Pereira, Carlitos, Geovanni, Zahovic e Simão.

Avançados: Karadas e Sokota.

Carlitos already called!! Great (H)

I think Trap rested Ricardo Rocha for the CL qualifiers. :confused:

great site :)

Originally posted by calve11
I think Trap rested Ricardo Rocha for the CL qualifiers. :confused:

Yeah... i think that to...

Btw.. like Punkt said.. great site!! (Y)

I need some help and this would be the best place to ask.

Does anyone know of an English website that has info about the Estadio Da Luz? Are there any beaches in Lisbon? and is there an english website of the Lisbon zoo?

Originally posted by Fernandez
I need some help and this would be the best place to ask.

Does anyone know of an English website that has info about the Estadio Da Luz? Are there any beaches in Lisbon? and is there an english website of the Lisbon zoo?

about Estádio da Luz, i think only worldstadiums.com and similars what kind of info you want?

There are plenty of beaches, not properly inside Lisbon but in the suburbs area. Costa da Caparica, Carcavelos, Cascais, etc.

the zoo don't have a official site (at least i didn't found one) but it's a great place to visit. :)


check this sites for more info:
http://www.strawberryworld-lisbon.com/lisbon/index.html
http://www.portugalvirtual.pt/_tourism/costadelisboa/
http://www.timeout.com/lisbon/


:)

thanks a lot :)

what is the capacity of the stadium btw? besides the club shop, what kind of service is available there?

what kind of service are you looking for at the stadium?

there are visits to the stadium everyday except on match days :)


stadium capacity: 65000

Originally posted by Fernandez
thanks a lot :)

what is the capacity of the stadium btw? besides the club shop, what kind of service is available there?

65.647

yes the stadium has the club big shop and other stores, a restaurant with a great view of the stadium's inside, swimming pools and two pavillions for basket, handball, voleyball, futsal and roller hockey :)

like Parasol said there are daily visits to the stadium.

near the stadium you could visit the biggest shopping of Iberic peninsula: the Colombo

do you guys have hotmail, i would need some info later on? just pm me... thanks ;)

Champions League 3rd qualifier 2nd Leg

Anderlecht 3
Benfica 0

(3-1 aggregate)

Stade Constant Vanden Stock, Brussels
Ref: Stefano Farina (Italy)
Attendance: 20.107

ANDERLECHT - Zitka; Traore, Kompany e Deschant; Zewlakow, Hasi, Bassegio e Wilhelmsson; Mpenza, Jestrovic (Iachtchouk, 79 m) e Aruna (Seol, 89 m).

BENFICA - Quim; Miguel, Luisão, Argel e Dos Santos; Petit, Paulo Almeida (Ricardo Rocha, 76 m) e Manuel Fernandes (Zahovic, 65 m); Carlitos (Geovanni, 60 m), Sokota e Simão.

Cards: Yellow - Kompany (22 m), Carlitos (32 m) e Paulo Almeida (42 m); Red -- Argel (72 m).

Goals:
1-0 Aruna (33 m)
Aruna beat the visiting defence in the air to meet a free-kick from Besnik Hasi and head it into the net to tie the scores on aggregate and set up a pulsating second half

2-0 por Aruna (59 m)
Anderlecht captain Walter Baseggio laid on a fine pass for Aruna on the hour and the striker connected inside the box, driving the ball with his left foot sweetly into the corner

3-0 por Jestrovic (73 m)
Jestrovic's shot was handled in the area by Argel, who was duly sent off. Jestrovic himself converted the penalty to settle the tie

so guys any reactions? :D

great match for us yesterday, terrific atmosphere. I think we deserve the qualification.
Good luck in UEFA-cup, hope we meet soon coz you have good fans (except those who were in Brussels yesterday, didn't heard them) ;)

The reception of Benfica players in the Airport of Lisbon was just hilarious... :rofl:

Originally posted by [dfm]
The reception of Benfica players in the Airport of Lisbon was just hilarious... :rofl:

go on... how ?

Originally posted by Matthiasvdb
go on... how ?

Well it was almost a hell for the players, the fans screaming and insulting the players, throwing them bottles and water, only watching the images u could see how it was... basically a group of Benfica fans were pissed off because of the defeat and went to the airport to relief all their frustration in the players and in the coach... :rolleyes:

http://abolaremoto.abola.pt/img/cartoon/bcqua.gif

Originally posted by SCP19O6
http://abolaremoto.abola.pt/img/cartoon/bcqua.gif

LOL :funny:

A basic translation:

- Benfica lived yesterday one more night of glory.

- What's that story?

- He was categorically qualified to the UEFA Cup without giving any chance to Anderlecht!

lol, that little comic strip is always very funny to read.

Originally posted by [dfm]
Well it was almost a hell for the players, the fans screaming and insulting the players, throwing them bottles and water, only watching the images u could see how it was... basically a group of Benfica fans were pissed off because of the defeat and went to the airport to relief all their frustration in the players and in the coach... :rolleyes:

I feel frustrated about the defeat, but those apes that went to the airport just made me sick. I wish people like them should not be allowed to even be connected to the word Benfica.

Football fans (?) are a reflection of our country. That's why we are the first of the last in everything (drugs, alcohol, murderers, car accidents, etc etc etc).

very true what you said Eminem, too bad the "fans" (if you want to call them that) don't know that they are hurting Portugal's image.

f*ck the players, they deserved at least some feedback on their sh*t performance. A lot of people went to Belgium to see that piece of sh*t performance, that costs a lot of money. They have the right to feel cheated. I can't blame them, I would too

Originally posted by Paulo Da Silva
they are hurting Portugal's image.


yeah... their and the u23 glorious defenders :D


i bet we'll win and score a good performance next sunday in the league match because the players have been awoken of what benfica fans want: VICTORIES!

Originally posted by Virgo
f*ck the players, they deserved at least some feedback on their sh*t performance. A lot of people went to Belgium to see that piece of sh*t performance, that costs a lot of money. They have the right to feel cheated. I can't blame them, I would too

Then I guess I should kill the prime-minister, since someone has to take the blame for my mother being unemployed after 18 years being a Philosofy teacher and being one of the best placed in the colocation list.

Originally posted by Virgo
f*ck the players, they deserved at least some feedback on their sh*t performance. A lot of people went to Belgium to see that piece of sh*t performance, that costs a lot of money. They have the right to feel cheated. I can't blame them, I would too

LOL great logic... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by 3m1n3m
Then I guess I should kill the prime-minister, since someone has to take the blame for my mother being unemployed after 18 years being a Philosofy teacher and being one of the best placed in the colocation list.

did they kill anyone? They just booed

The prime minister has less to do with what's going on with placement of teachers than LFV has to do with the way the Benfica team performed in the last two games.

Originally posted by Punkt
LOL great logic... :rolleyes:

well how come it isn't.

If I spent like 1500 € for a trip to Brussels for me and my family and saw that sh*t I wouldn't have been tapping their backs.


I'm kinda amused to see that some of you are using the fans at the airport as scapegoats to avoid talking about the performance of our players in the last two matches. Go ahead and keep throwing sand to your eyes.

Originally posted by Virgo
well how come it isn't.

If I spent like 1500 € for a trip to Brussels for me and my family and saw that sh*t I wouldn't have been tapping their backs.


I'm kinda amused to see that some of you are using the fans at the airport as scapegoats to avoid talking about the performance of our players in the last two matches. Go ahead and keep throwing sand to your eyes.

since when the team is obligated to win just because the fans spend money on the trip? off course they have to try hard (even if any fan make the trip) but that argument is kinda stupid imo...

and we are not hidding anything about our players performance, if you read the posts you will see many critics and analysis. but i think it's enough, the defeat is embarassing and painful but we didn't lost against any amateur team like you are saying. we lost against a very good team that is every years in the CL and has many european experience.

the match was analysed, we made our critics and it's enough, now let's support the team to get a good start in the league.

Originally posted by Punkt
since when the team is obligated to win just because the fans spend money on the trip?

1- Because it was at our reach to win

2- Because LFV recently complained about not enough fans going to see the matches and at the Benfica - Anderlecht game, our stadium was filled, and all tickets of the Anderlecht - Benfica game available to Benfica supporters were sold.

3- Because not only did they not see the most of all the Benfica players trying hard but also went to Belgium to see their team get humilliated.

4- They could lose to Porto and Leiria and whoever but this was the most important game of the whole season.

My analise to the game and to THIS Benfica:

We entered very well in the game... some good opurtunities, but as always the legs start shaking when they should score... It's always the same thing in this Benfica... against Porto it was the same thing... We made a great game against Porto... they have an opurtunity and they score...

We have a great first half against Anderlecht... they have a free-kick, they score... In the 2nd half we lose our heads...

Mistakes by the coach? Some...

He never should put Fernandes and Carlitos at the start eleven, Manuel Fernandes is still young to play at a game on this level, he is a great player... yeah... it's one of my favourites and should play at the start eleven, WHEN, he gain experience to do so... Experience this that should be achieved during the Superliga. Carlitos should never start because he came from a "long" injury and doesn't have the "ritmo" to play a match like this, but i have hopes in him... And i think he will be an hell of a player in the future... Then... ARGEL, first i should apologie myself for saying bad things about him in the Anderlecht - Benfica game thread... i was to nervous, and i should never say this about a player that gives so much for the shirt he dress... The one to blame in this situation is Trap... Ricardo Rocha is pure class, our best defender by far and he just gives security to that defence... Argel is to bad to play at Benfica... maybe at some Superliga games he can play to rest one or other player... but not in this kind of games... i still remember the game against Lazio... :(

Resuming.. we play very well, but we didn't score... that's the point of a football game, Anderlecht score, Congrats, they deserve it.

Problems to solve:

Ricardo Rocha should play, i think he have some problems with the president or with the coach... because i really don't understand how can he be at the bench in a game like this...

Simão needs to get on form again... He used to be the kind of a player that score and bring moral to the team when we were losing... We need a player like that... that WAKE up the team... Mantorras is injured (:(), so Simão is the player to that job... We ned him...

And defenitely a striker!
Karadas needs more games, but unfortenately i don't see him as a finisher... And we defenitely need one.. Sokota and Nuno Gomes are the kind of players that play more for the team and score about 10 goals per season... We need someone explosive!
Unfortenately the only player we have like that is Simão(out of form) and Mantorras injured... that is the Aruna of Benfica... to similiar with him... But unfortenately i lost all my hopes on this kid... a Big Waste of talent.


About the fans that went to the aeroport... A shame...
And Virgo... f*uck the players? No.. that's not the kind of attitude that they need now...
They need our suport now more than ever... Ok... they have a bad game.. they should open their eyes and see that many people make lots of sacrifices just to saw them at Anderlecht and even at Da Luz(i spend all my money to go at Da Luz!!!)
But i'm sure that they will take that to count.. and will give all to win the next game!

The real fans are the ones that support the team at moments like this! Not the ones that came at the victories.. like some Greek fans that we never saw them here.. or even some Anderlecht fans...

We are having a bad moment... and because of that we should support them more than ever(starting at Aveiro) don't wait a team to be succeseful every time!

Força Benfica! "Demasiado fiéis para desistir"

finally a good analysis. (Y)

Originally posted by Virgo
did they kill anyone? They just booed

The prime minister has less to do with what's going on with placement of teachers than LFV has to do with the way the Benfica team performed in the last two games.

Then if, when Benfica looses the game people have the right to throw bottles at the players and insult them, then I'm allowed to kill the prime minister for the teachers' placements and not be punished. Because I'm just frustrated! And that gives me the power to do anything I want. :rolleyes: Or I could just kill you instead! :p

EDIT: Great analysis Rui. Thumbs up for you fella (Y)

Finally someone with their nerves cooled down and able to have a consistent rational thinking line.

Originally posted by 3m1n3m
Then if, when Benfica looses the game people have the right to throw bottles at the players and insult them, then I'm allowed to kill the prime minister for the teachers' placements and not be punished. Because I'm just frustrated! And that gives me the power to do anything I want.


ok nevermind, forget it... go on with your pathetic little life and I'll do the same.

I'm not in the mood for trying to break stone with water.

Originally posted by Virgo
ok nevermind, forget it... go on with your pathetic little life and I'll do the same.

I'm not in the mood for trying to break stone with water.

You didn't need to make such statements :kader:

Truly unnecessary.

Discussion over.

Have you read today's 'RECORD' ? well, I felt disgusted with what they posted... 4 big issues about Benfica's game last Tuesday:
1. Why did Yannick left the team ?
2. Why did Manuel dos Santos played instead of Fyssas ?
3. Why only now Trapatoni decided to put Manuel Fernandes on the team?
4. Why Ricardo Rocha is a sub ?

Now I ask, why they only publish those questions now, after the game ? Before the game, for the portuguese newspappers, everything went great with Benfica. Manuel Fernandes didn't play because he was to young to be on the team, Fyssas haven't been playing lately because we still hadn't found his perfect shape, and plus, I remember reading that Dos Santos was better than Fyssas ! And I remember perfectly reading an article in 'RECORD' questioning why Quim was a sub, since he has more experience than Yannick... Only now they remember to reveal than Manuel Fernandes wasn't playing because of the contract renewal (is this correct ??), Ricardo Rocha didn't play because he didn't want to, instead he preferrs to leave Benfica...
The portuguese Sports newspappers disgust me...
I bet, if that team had beaten Anderlecht, the newspaper would've spent the whole week bowing to Benfica and Trappa!

I'm just tired of so much crap... Pardon my french... Why don't they just play ball and cut with the bullsh*t ?

My opinion about the game... Anderlecht sucks, everyone but Haruna Dindane, Willhelmson and Kompany is mediocre... But Benfica had the amazing skill of playing even worse then them ! Wow ! Typical...
I just wish that for one time, they wouldn't let us down, like they always do... Everytime I get a little excited with the team, the screw it all...
Now we have the Superliga and the UEFA Cup... We'll see...

You got the point right on André.

The press just sells thanks to Benfica. There were no information leaks this summer, and so, they are so pissed off they'll just flame everyone when something just gets a bit off the track.

Here are the teams that we can get in tomorrow's draw:

SK Sigma Olomouc (CZE)
FC Dinamo Bucuresti (ROM)
FK Austria Wien (AUT)
NK Maribor (SLO)
FK Dukla Banská Bystrica (SVK)

I think that Dinamo Bucareste could be tricky so that's the team to avoid , we played against them a couple years ago.

We should not have any problems facing the others teams.. i guess

More information

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UEFACup/news/Kind=1/newsId=218624.html

BTW besides us and Sporting the other 3 teams are unseeded , so they can face a big team right away , hope they are lucky in the draw

Bye

Dinamo Bucharest, Sigma Olomouc and Austria Wien are tough

Banska Bystrica is our opponent in the 1st Round of UEFA Cup. I don't know nothing about this slovak team.

Our Opponent

DUKLA BANSKA BYSTRICA

Stiavnicky Stadion
11000 (5500 seated)
Site: www.fkdukla.sk
Roster: http://www.fkdukla.sk/index.php?idtm=1

Can't wait for the media hype surrounding this game like La Louviere last season. :rolleyes:

Looks easy on paper... let's see...

Dukla Banska Bystrica... Well, can't say I know them, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be careful with this team. Benfica is obliged to win this one. If we don't wiin it, well, in that case I don't think we deserve to be in european competitions. Benfica just has to play and win it, don't overthink this match. Just play it and prove we're better. I don't want to ear more laim excuses like 'the players are tired'... Just win the games... Is that too much to ask ?
As you can probably realize from my post, I'm still a bit angry about us loosing against Anderlecht. I'm angry because I know that they don't worth half as much Benfica, but still they won and humilliated us...

Some thoughts about the team:
- Is a good player, no doubt about it, but just isn't what Benfica needs. When we attack we are 1 player short because PA just stays in the defense... Isn't no Tiago, doesn't score goals... Maybe [i]Everson is closer to what we need. I liked very much what I saw of him in the game against Estoril (despite all the newspapers criticised his performance that game).
- I just hope to see more of Carlitos to make an opinion of him. I heard that he's kinda like Quaresma. He held the ball to much in last Tuesdays match, and lost 2 good chances of scoring... If he's as godd as they say he is, can help Benfica allot! Let's wait and see...
- Argel is important for the team beacuse of his strenght, his combativity and team spirit, but sure isn't a player to be on the starting team, only if Ricardo Rocha or Luisão can't play, and even in that situation I think that Amoreirinha should be the chosen one.
- Sokota alone in the front can't do much more, he and Nuno Gomes make a great duo. NG isn't avaiable, well, why don't call Manuel Curto from the reserves team ?

well let's see it should be easy to go through....

for now i'm hoping that we win against beira-mar, i saw on today's Record that Karadas will be in the starting eleven, this means more firepower on free kicks and corners

bye

Am I the only one that thinks Karadas can give so much to our team?

Don't flame me for saying this, but he reminds me of Jardel kind of. Plus I think he'll work great with Nuno Gomes! :)

Yeah.. i have that hope too... Let's see how will he play against Beira-Mar

Argel and Sokota are injured!!! :rockman: :rockman:

Sorry... i shouldn't be happy for this... but


:D:D:D:D:D


This means Ricardo Rocha and Karadas in the first eleven... Maybe Fyssas and Amoreirinha are going to play to acording to todays press...

A move of Miguel to the winger and Amoreirinha for full back it would be nice IMO...

Moreira can start to...

:)

will R. Rocha play 100% sure?

I read somewhere that he said to Trappatoni that he hadn't the psycological conditions to play in Belgium before the game because his future is uncertain with a €4million bid coming in for him by a club that he was willing to play for.

If he doensn't start this game, I'm affraid this was true. Hope not though, we are in no condition to lose our best centre back for just 4million €

lol (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27393&item=5117969432&rd=1)

possible line up according to the press:

------------------- Moreira ------------------

Miguel -------- Rocha-- Luisão -- Fyssas
(Amoreirinha)

-------------- Petit ---- Almeida (Fernandes)-----------

Carlitos --------- Zahovic --------- Simão
(Miguel)

------------------- Karadas --------------------

that version of the sporting scarf it's beautiful :crazyboy:

players called to Aveiro:

Moreira, Quim, Luisão, Paulo Almeida, Petit, Bruno Aguiar, Zahovic, Fyssas, Dos Santos, Everson, Simão, Karadas, Miguel, Carlitos, Sokota, Ricardo Rocha, Manuel Fernandes, João Pereira e Amoreirinha.

:confused:

Proposta inédita
Abel Xavier está disposto a abdicar do vencimento para assinar um compromisso com o Benfica até ao final do ano. Diz estar a fazê-lo pela vontade que sempre demonstrou em regressar a um clube pelo qual tem «elevada estima e muito carinho». Acredita que poderá mostrar à equipa técnica que pode ser uma mais valia para o clube. «Se em Dezembro não chegarmos a novo acordo, tudo bem. Um aperto de mão e vou à minha vida», declara.

:confused:

Originally posted by RuiCosta_10
:confused:

Proposta inédita
Abel Xavier está disposto a abdicar do vencimento para assinar um compromisso com o Benfica até ao final do ano. Diz estar a fazê-lo pela vontade que sempre demonstrou em regressar a um clube pelo qual tem «elevada estima e muito carinho». Acredita que poderá mostrar à equipa técnica que pode ser uma mais valia para o clube. «Se em Dezembro não chegarmos a novo acordo, tudo bem. Um aperto de mão e vou à minha vida», declara.

:confused:


now? :rolleyes:

I think he'd do better than Argel anyhow

Honourable by him. When I thought the love for the club was gone...

We have nothing to lose then! He could provide decent backup for Miguel and do enough to put Argel in the B squad.

I think it's the first time that a professional player wants to play for FREE for a club!

:p

Half time: Beira Mar 0-2 Benfica :)

Karadas and petit scored (H)

we aren't playing very well but we took our chances.

McPhee will make a big impact on the league, he's a great player in the mould of Alan Smith.

why we always have to suffer?

anyway 3 points in the bag and Karadas scoring debut (H)

I'm extremely happy for Karadas. He shut up a few loud mouths who flamed him all week, not having seen him play ONCE! This is for you, muda ****az! :p

Chegou Azar às Kar(r)adas para as defesas adversárias! Força BENFICA! :D

Great Karadas!!! :rockman:

Anyway... we shouldn't suffer like that after winning by 3-0...

Manuel Fernandes and Petit made a great game!! They should be our midfield...

Ricardo Rocha play very well too!

João Pereira was horrible

MoM: Petit or Karadas

Luisão made a good game too. :)

Karadas didn't play marvelously well he just happened to be in the right places today... but he made 2 goals and 1 assist and I'm sure the media will hype him as hell tomorrow in the newspapers as the new Eusebio or the new Jardel or something like that.

Originally posted by Virgo
Karadas didn't play marvelously well he just happened to be in the right places today...

Well, that's what strikers are supposed to do and that's why he was signed. That's what matters the most! He scored two good goals and made an assist, so you can say he had a very good game.

Anyway, we weren't very good today, but we took our chances and the victory was fully deserved. Unfortunately, like Punkt mentioned, it seems we always have to suffer, but we got the three points and that was the most important thing.

Originally posted by Virgo
Karadas didn't play marvelously well he just happened to be in the right places today... but he made 2 goals and 1 assist and I'm sure the media will hype him as hell tomorrow in the newspapers as the new Eusebio or the new Jardel or something like that.

and the strikers are for what? to be in the right places and score... 2 goals and 1 assist and he played bad? if he didn't score it's because he didn't score, if he scores it's because he scores... honestly Infesta look more benfiquista that you... geez :rolleyes:

Yeah... Karadas made a great game... Two goals and one assist, when the team score 3 goals...

Well...

:confused:

EDIT
Going to see the Domingo Desportivo of TVI!! The new one! (H)

Beira Mar 2
Benfica 3

Estádio Municipal Mário Duarte, Aveiro
Assistance: 17.052
Ref: Elmano Santos (Madeira)

BEIRA-MAR: Paulo Sérgio, Ribeiro, Filipe, Alcaraz, Mário Loja, Marcelinho (Levato, 61), Sandro, Beto, Kingsley, Rui Lima (Pablo Rodriguez, 81) e Stephen McPhee.

(Subs: Srnicek, Ricardo, Tininho, Levato, Pablo Rodriguez, Ladeira e Artur)

BENFICA: Moreira, Miguel, Luisão, Ricardo Rocha, Fyssas, Manuel Fernandes, Petit, João Pereira (Amoreirinha, 73), Simão, Zahovic (Paulo Almeida, 86) e Karadas.

(Subs: Quim, Amoreirinha, Dos Santos, Paulo Almeida, Carlitos, Bruno Aguiar e Sokota)

Cards: yellow to Zahovic (67), Manuel Fernandes (79) e Moreira (92)

MoM: Karadas (Benfica)

==
The goals:

0-1 -- Karadas 41' -> Petit took a corner and Karadas inside the area shot to the goal.

0-2 -- Petit 45' -> Defensive mistake of Beira Mar, Petit recovered the ball in the midfield passed to Karadas that gave back to Petit, inside the area make no mistake

0-3 -- Karadas 49' -> Ribeiro trying to take the ball out of his area, shot against Miguel and the ball slipped to Karadas that didn't forgive.

1-3 -- Alcaraz 62' -> corner on the left and header of Alcaraz

2-3 -- Beto 68' -> Beto took a Free kick in the middle of Benfica midfield the ball touched in Miguel and entered in the goal.

Originally posted by Punkt
and the strikers are for what? to be in the right places and score... 2 goals and 1 assist and he played bad? if he didn't score it's because he didn't score, if he scores it's because he scores... honestly Infesta look more benfiquista that you... geez :rolleyes:

...

I meant that apart from the goals and that assist he did nothing but fouling the defenders. And the first Beira Mar goal was his fault. If he always does this but take his chances I won't complain though.

He does look better than Sokota (not hard).

I thought Karadas looked pretty impressive, not talking about the goals but he seems like a fighter and a good goal poacher, I thought he did well to set up Petit's goal too when most players would have shot from his position. I thought Miguel played pretty good overall too, bad luck though with Beira-Mar's second goal. I wasn't impressed with us as a team though, we were just fortunate enough to capitalize on the few chances we got for once, maybe it's just me but the team just doesn't seem very motivated under Trap.

Joao Pereira was just awful wasn't he, he did absolutly nothing when he had the ball, which was rare since he always lost it when he did have it :rolleyes: Zahovic was pretty quiet too..

From Beira-Mar I liked McPhee, he looks like a smart player with a lot of spirit. Also Kingsley had a few nice toughes here and there. Paulo Sergio was pretty bad in net in my opinion.. :kader:

Trap was invited by UEFA to participate in their Manager Forum. If he accepts he will be off a few days.

According to Record Benfica wants another CB... And´r Luís from Santos, 25 years old and ends his contract at the end of December...

If this is true i don't know if it's a good deal... our real need is a Nº10, and/or a Striker.

Originally posted by RuiCosta_10
According to Record Benfica wants another CB... And´r Luís from Santos, 25 years old and ends his contract at the end of December...

If this is true i don't know if it's a good deal... our real need is a Nº10, and/or a Striker.

Maybe Argel will be sold or something :p

Originally posted by Virgo
...

I meant that apart from the goals and that assist he did nothing but fouling the defenders. And the first Beira Mar goal was his fault. If he always does this but take his chances I won't complain though.

He does look better than Sokota (not hard).
Why are you always such a jackass towards Benfica players?

It was his first game in Portugal (completely different league than Norway) and he scored 2 goals and had an assist. He fought hard and always got back to help on defense. BTW, a lot of those fouls called on him when he was with the CB's were terrible calls.

Tell me, what did Jardel all game, other than score goals? :confused:

He´s just being realistic. When you are so, then the disappointments(if they happen) don´t hit you so hard.
Don´t hype him just because of one game. Btw i was right all along, Sokota was clearly out of shape and needed to rest. Karadas subbed him well last match but it´s too soon to say if he is the real deal. I think he will be a very useful player for Benfica.

Originally posted by calve11
Why are you always such a jackass towards Benfica players?

Tell me, what did Jardel all game, other than score goals? :confused:

I'm just sick of the mediocrity that has been installed in Benfica in the last 10 years. The single belief that we're going to win a title signing bench warmers and 30 year olds. Oh and being humiliated in Europe over and over again.

And I'm sick of the f*cking "seguidistas" that support blindly the kind of people that has brought a world class club into misery. We have a Porto fan as our director of football for christ sake.


Oh and don't compare Karadas to Jardel please... If he does 1/3 of what Jardel did in Portugal I'll be a happy man.

Originally posted by Virgo
I'm just sick of the mediocrity that has been installed in Benfica in the last 10 years. The single belief that we're going to win a title signing bench warmers and 30 year olds. Oh and being humiliated in Europe over and over again.

And I'm sick of the f*cking "seguidistas" that support blindly the kind of people that has brought a world class club into misery. We have a Porto fan as our director of football for christ sake.
I'm talking about what you said about Karadas. Cut the guy a damn break, his first game, doesnt know the language, doesn't know the Portuguese style and to go out and do what he did is impressive.

Also, what benchwarmers did we sign? Name them please.

Also, LFV is not the one that brought our club into this state, and you should ******* know that. And if it wasn't for Veiga we likely wouldn't have any reforços.

Btw, how do you know high-ups in FCP and SCP aren't benfiquista? Do you know that Costinha is sportinguista? Cristiano Ronaldo is benfiquista? HELL DO YOU KNOW THAT LUIS FIGO IS BENFIQUISTA? No? Ok...

Originally posted by calve11
I'm talking about what you said about Karadas. Cut the guy a damn break, his first game, doesnt know the language, doesn't know the Portuguese style and to go out and do what he did is impressive.

I said that about his performance because I knew there would be major hype from some fans and especially the media, after the 2 goals in his debut.

Originally posted by calve11
Also, what benchwarmers did we sign? Name them please.


Yes Karadas was warming the bench for most games in Rosenborg, even Rosenborg fans came here and said so even if they also said he was regarded as a good player for the future.

Paulo Almeida spent the most part of the last season benched also even if he was the captain of the team, because Renato who is now in Sevilla is much better than him. According to Soccerage he only played in 12 matches last season.


Also, LFV is not the one that brought our club into this state, and you should ******* know that. And if it wasn't for Veiga we likely wouldn't have any reforços.

Btw, how do you know high-ups in FCP and SCP aren't benfiquista? Do you know that Costinha is sportinguista? Cristiano Ronaldo is benfiquista? HELL DO YOU KNOW THAT LUIS FIGO IS BENFIQUISTA? No? Ok...

LFV has shown terrible incompetence in getting Veiga and he has done nothing yet but ruining everything we had achieved in the last 1 and 1/2 year with Camacho. Not signing much but signing well and for specific positions where we were weaker.

I'd rather we kept Tiago and didn't sign anyone except players in end of contract, release Zahovic and Argel...

Although it may be discussable that players supporting different clubs is much different from general managers, I won't go into that. He is hated by many players for some reason (must be all the players fault)?
But I think it's crossing the line when you know for a fact that this guy celebrated the defeat of Benfica in a Champions League Final back in 87 or 89 in Luxembourg with champagne.

NÃO GOSTOU DAS DECLARAÇÕES
Abel Xavier magoado com Veiga

O internacional português Abel Xavier mostrou-se ontem magoado com as palavras de José Veiga, no final do jogo com o Beira-Mar. O jogador propôs publicamente ingressar no Benfica sem receber um cêntimo até Dezembro, altura em que, sugeriu, as partes negociariam um contrato ou cessariam a ligação.

"Há muitos jogadores que se oferecem para jogar no nosso clube, mas quem escolhe o plantel é a administração da SAD em conjunto com o treinador", comentou o dirigente encarnado.

"Caiu-me mal esse tipo de declarações", desabafou Xavier, explicando que o que lhe dói é ter sido colocado no "mesmo patamar" de outros jogadores. "Não me parece que muitos outros jogadores abdicariam de receber o salário", referiu, adiantando que só fez tal proposta pelo "apreço" que sente pelo clube e pelos adeptos encarnados.

Lembrando que o administrador da SAD benfiquista foi seu empresário, sublinhou que Veiga sabia que a sua vontade em voltar à Luz era de "há muito tempo". "A forma como proferiu essas declarações demonstram o nível da pessoa. Esqueceu-se do meu passado. Nunca paguei para jogar nas equipas que representei. Há formas de dizer que não." Sem querer alimentar polémicas, Xavier desejou "o melhor ao Benfica".

-------------------------------------------------

Veiga não responde a críticas de Abel Xavier

Abel Xavier criticou ontem as declarações de José Veiga a propósito do seu eventual regresso ao Benfica. "Entristece-me que tenha tecido essas considerações e que me tenha posto num patamar que considero, de alguma forma, depreciativo", começou por declarar o ex-internacional português à Rádio Renascença. As críticas não se ficaram por aqui, no entanto, tendo Abel Xavier acrescentado: "Quando formalizei esta minha proposta, foi com intenção de ajudar o Benfica, porque o clube não tinha nenhuma contrapartida financeira. Penso que isso tem um significado diferente daquele que José Veiga quis dar na sua resposta. De qualquer maneira, eu não tenho de responder, porque não reconheço nenhum tipo de valor, seja moral ou institucional, a essa pessoa."

E Abel Xavier prosseguiu o seu raciocínio: "Penso que existem maneiras mais delicadas de dizer não. De qualquer maneira, desejo sorte ao Benfica. José Veiga é uma pessoa muito habilidosa, que, naturalmente, teve de encontrar um porto seguro. Infelizmente, foi o Benfica..."

Contactado por O JOGO, José Veiga escusou-se a tecer qualquer tipo de comentários, remetendo para mais tarde uma eventual resposta. Recorde-se que o director-geral encarnado apenas afirmou, no final do jogo com o Beira-Mar, que há muitos jogadores que se oferecem ao Benfica, mas que a decisão final pertence sempre à administração da SAD e à equipa técnica.




:-puke: Veiga :-puke:

this "fans" are the cancer of Benfica. a player scored 2 goals and made 1 assist in his debut for the club in the league but wait it's not support that he has from this "fans" it's more bashing, because it's all luck (he was in the right place the lucky bastard)... I think SG was free of them but unfortunately it's not true...:rolleyes:

I think the problem about Karadas isn't being well discussed... We are not "seguidistas" and we are not saying that he will be the new Jardel or that he will score 30 goals...

We only say that he play very well against Beira-Mar, and Virgo said he didn't make nothing special... Well, that was the whole center of the discussing here...

A player that score two goals and gave one assist doesn't play well? Besides the goal, he helped the team and didn't retain the ball like 5 minutes to the defenders get it...(Sokota?), and in defense he played pretty well too, He always helped the team in defensive situations like corners or free-kicks...

Yes, he play very well, and like Benfiquistas that we are, we are optimistics, after seeing a player that make his first game as a starter and score two goals... A player that doesn't know sh*t about portuguese football...

Yes, he can be a disapointment... and this could be one of the few games he will score goals... But we are not discussing that, we are talking only about the game against Beira-Mar, when we were saying that he make a Great game, Virgo came here as usually... "It was not that Great"

Sorry, but u doesn't look like a Benfiquista, i may be wrong... but u defenitely doesn't look like one... Are u here infiltrated?

actually it's because of ppl with your mentality that we haven't won crap except a Portuguese Cup (Yaaaaay) in the last 10 years.

I'm just ambitious... and you aren't, that's it.


And yes we probably won the game against Beira Mar because his finishing was good, but that doesn't mean he had a brilliant game.


When I start to see good football from the team, I will be the first to compliment them.

Originally posted by Virgo
actually it's because of ppl with your mentality that we haven't won crap except a Portuguese Cup (Yaaaaay) in the last 10 years.


you don't even know what have we won... :(


it were 2 cups :p

yeah sorry I remember that one now... the team with Paulo Futre, Schwarz, etc

It was a long time ago anyways

Originally posted by RuiCosta_10
Sorry, but u doesn't look like a Benfiquista, i may be wrong... but u defenitely doesn't look like one... Are u here infiltrated?
He's already said he doesn't care too much about Benfica, only the selecção.

stop being f*cking ****s.

There are no good supporters and bad supporters just people with different opinions and don't question my love for the club just because your opinion is different from mine.

And yes I care much more for the national team than for club football but I'm certainly not alone in that one.

Originally posted by Virgo
yeah sorry I remember that one now... the team with Paulo Futre, Schwarz, etc

It was a long time ago anyways ~

wrong again... :rolleyes:

=
and you're right, there are not good or bad supporters because a supporter is always good... and you are clearly NOT a supporter at least of Benfica and the majority of the people here already saw that...

PS: a player that scores 2 goals for your team deserves ALWAYS support, off course only of the supporters...

Originally posted by Virgo
actually it's because of ppl with your mentality that we haven't won crap except a Portuguese Cup (Yaaaaay) in the last 10 years.

I'm just ambitious... and you aren't, that's it.


And yes we probably won the game against Beira Mar because his finishing was good, but that doesn't mean he had a brilliant game.


When I start to see good football from the team, I will be the first to compliment them. What the hell man, we're excited because we got Karadas, that's it. And despite his 2 goals and 1 assist in his debut, you still criticised his performances yet praised McPhee's saying he'll be a great player in the league.

PS, as a whole, Benfica's ambitions go much beyond being campeao of Portugal, but we need to start from somewhere and build up. Sh!t dont happen over night. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by calve11
What the hell man, we're excited because we got Karadas, that's it. And despite his 2 goals and 1 assist in his debut, you still criticised his performances yet praised McPhee's saying he'll be a great player in the league.


other teams players are always good and great prospects, our players always sucks... it's the usual... mcphee will rule but karadas sucks! why? he plays for Benfica that sucks

Originally posted by Punkt
~

wrong again... :rolleyes:

=
and you're right, there are not good or bad supporters because a supporter is always good... and you are clearly NOT a supporter at least of Benfica and the majority of the people here already saw that...

PS: a player that scores 2 goals for your team deserves ALWAYS support, off course only of the supporters...


Wow I'm sorry if I'm not a geek like you that knows all the scores, who scored and which minute of all matches in the last century.

what the hell is this sh*t anyway, am I supposed to take morale lessons from you dipsh*t just because I said I'm not completely happy about the way a player performed? What makes you think you're right and I'm wrong?

Dude really, get out of your house, have fun, get laid and please realise that the club you support is not even close to being the most important thing in the world.

he scored 2 goals and made 1 assist in his first match, and that sucks!

Originally posted by Virgo
Wow I'm sorry if I'm not a geek like you that knows all the scores, who scored and which minute of all matches in the last century.

what the hell is this sh*t anyway, am I supposed to take morale lessons from you dipsh*t just because I said I'm not completely happy about the way a player performed? What makes you think you're right and I'm wrong?

Dude really, get out of your house, have fun, get laid and please realise that the club you support is not even close to being the most important thing in the world.

i don't know all scores and scorers of the last century but at least i know the trophies that MY club has.

for the rest : no comments because it's trash. if you don't take morale lessons i don't take too... and i didn't insulted you so more respect please.

Originally posted by Punkt
other teams players are always good and great prospects, our players always sucks... it's the usual... mcphee will rule but karadas sucks! why? he plays for Benfica that sucks

Err no troll, I was referring to his movement and his actions throughout all game, when I said I didn't think he did that great and also said that even so I was sure that the press would hype him after having scored 2 goals.

Not even gonna comment on your last sentence because it only shows that you're a major f*cking asshole.

Now go suck Veiga's dick and leave me alone.

Originally posted by Virgo
Err no troll, I was referring to his movement and his actions throughout all game, when I said I didn't think he did that great and also said that even so I was sure that the press would hype him after having scored 2 goals.

Not even gonna comment on your last sentence because it only shows that you're a major f*cking asshole.

Now go suck Veiga's dick and leave me alone.

yes but mcphee is great! ... the last sentence proves your inteligence...

it's typical in a low IQ person when lacks the arguments use the insult.

Originally posted by calve11
PS, as a whole, Benfica's ambitions go much beyond being campeao of Portugal, but we need to start from somewhere and build up. Sh!t dont happen over night. :rolleyes:

I just think we're heading in the wrong direction since Veiga has been brought into the club, that's all.

You may all think differently but I'm entitled to my opinion, this is beggining to look like the Benfica assemblies where no one that doesn't support the direction can speak freely.

Originally posted by Punkt
yes but mcphee is great! ... the last sentence proves your inteligence...

Yes I saw better attacking movements from Mcphee than from Karadas in that game. Karadas took advantage from blatant mistakes.

Don't worry I know I'm far more intelligent than you and just got into this discussion because you're no one to question my "benfiquismo".

Worry about your own IQ because I'm not worried about mine, IQ tests are an hobby of mine.

Originally posted by Virgo
Yes I saw better attacking movements from Mcphee than from Karadas in that game. Karadas took advantage from blatant mistakes.


LOL :funny:

I'm discussing it but you're victimising yourself saying I insulted you....... oh no..... feel free to report it to a mod.

And seriously Punkt you're acting like a jackass today, and this discussion is over.


If you want to discuss the facts of the game seriously feel free to add me on MSN: claudiommg@mail.pt .

Virgo was the right man here in this discussion, i think some Benfiquistas can't see the facts as they are because of their "clubite aguda", Karadas was average against Beira-Mar, he had the luck to be in the right places in the goals, the third for example is hilarious how the ball goes to him... :rolleyes:

Aveirenses was banned for less...

Originally posted by Virgo
I'm discussing it but you're victimising yourself saying I insulted you....... oh no..... feel free to report it to a mod.


dip****, troll and major ******* asshole aren't insults?

i can feel the unity between Benfica fans......:rolleyes:

I dunno why Virgo is getting all this animosity towards him. He´s just being cautious and analizing things in a realistic way. We all know what usually happens with all the Benfica dream teams and all the high hopes before you guys get a disappointment and come back to a reality check. I know you guys have reasons to be pleased with your win against Beira-Mar but you can´t get carried away just because of that. Remember Anderlecht? Things can´t stay the same just because of a mere league match win. There are clearly problems in the Benfica team and there is a struggle btw the players Trappatoni wants to use and the players the SAD wants to see. There is a conflict of interests btw the Sad and the managerial team. There should be limits in Veiga´s influence, i mean you are just going to give total confidence and alliegience to a man like Vieira? What wrong with being cautious? Im sure if more Benfiquistas were like Virgo possibily figures like Vale e Azevedo would never had set a foot on Benfica.
I know that Benfica is the people´s club but this fascination towards demagogic and populistic ppl (Vieira and Viega) isn´t a good policy and we all know what usually happens.

Originally posted by [dfm]
Virgo was the right man here in this discussion, i think some Benfiquistas can't see the facts as they are because of their "clubite aguda", Karadas was average against Beira-Mar, he had the luck to be in the right places in the goals, the third for example is hilarious how the ball goes to him... :rolleyes:

I know what u want, u want people like him to say bad things about Benfica and prove u're right...

BUT, clubite aguda can only be seen in you, when you say that Karadas didn't play well...

Love is in the air :crazyboy:

best fans in the air, the love for Benfica is shining through these forums.lol

Originally posted by Punkt
dip****, troll and major ******* asshole aren't insults?

YES THEY ARE!! Why oh why do I have to explain every little thing to you....... I'm not saying they aren't (stop bitching and go ahead and report them). The insults are justified... you made me lose my temper when you questioned my "benfiquismo" just because your opinion is different from mine.

What stunning observations who really help this discussion.

no one said here that we have a super team or similar but don't support a team after a win and bash a player that was decisive :rolleyes: ...to bash the team it's enough the porto fans... a supporter is to SUPPORT, he supports? NO. period

one more thing, i agree with Virgo(who is by far the most realistic Benfica fan on these forums). Karadas scored two goals. good job. doesn't mean he played well.

Jardel would score 4 goals in a game, but he didn't do anything all game, but score. didn't mean he played well.

he did what was important but he didn't play well. One goal was a tap in, the other was a HUGE mistake from Beira Mar.

Originally posted by Paulo Da Silva
Jardel would score 4 goals in a game, but he didn't do anything all game, but score. didn't mean he played well.

he did what was important but he didn't play well. One goal was a tap in, the other was a HUGE mistake from Beira Mar.


remember one thing: a striker is payed to score

it's hilarious Porto fans praising Virgo... pudera... :rolleyes:

and a player that scores 4 goals in a match always plays well...

a goal is a goal as long as it makes it in and is off your foot doesnt matter how little skill is put into it

I emphatize again after 10 years without a championship ppl have to be cautious and wait a lil longer before making wrong assumptions. Besides ppl feel things/express themselves in diferent ways. You may not agree with the way he supports the club but cmon question his love for the club? I´ve seen alot of good and lucid posts by him that already proved that he is true Benfica fan. The best supporters are these, who constantly question whats going on and by that who help improve the club. Better then the "comodistas", who are just sheeps and that support any guys who comes up with idiotic promises of getting Rui´s Costa´s and etc etc.

P.s Im not a Porto fan. Viva a Académica :rockman:

Originally posted by SLB4life
a goal is a goal as long as it makes it in and is off your foot doesnt matter how little skill is put into it

thats not true. Karadas should had scored with a bycicle kick.. He sucks! McPhee made great moves. great player.:hump:

sure man I'm a Porto fan infiltrated with the goal of destroying every Benfica fan's morale in this forum and to turn everyone against our all mighty president and our all mighty football director.

Nah man I'm just not biased, can't you see it?

Originally posted by Vinnie Jones
I dunno why Virgo is getting all this animosity towards him. He´s just being cautious and analizing things in a realistic way. We all know what usually happens with all the Benfica dream teams and all the high hopes before you guys get a disappointment and come back to a reality check. I know you guys have reasons to be pleased with your win against Beira-Mar but you can´t get carried away just because of that. Remember Anderlecht? Things can´t stay the same just because of a mere league match win. There are clearly problems in the Benfica team and there is a struggle btw the players Trappatoni wants to use and the players the SAD wants to see. There is a conflict of interests btw the Sad and the managerial team. There should be limits in Veiga´s influence, i mean you are just going to give total confidence and alliegience to a man like Vieira? What wrong with being cautious? Im sure if more Benfiquistas were like Virgo possibily figures like Vale e Azevedo would never had set a foot on Benfica.
I know that Benfica is the people´s club but this fascination towards demagogic and populistic ppl (Vieira and Viega) isn´t a good policy and we all know what usually happens.

Hey, i have my doubts on Veiga too...

But, i think that i can't doubt about LFV... neither any Benfiquista... if anybody is doing that is being unfair...

Let's see...

A president that recover Benfica from a financial situation very bad, remember news reporting that Benfica was even near to close the doors... of course that couldn't happen, because there would be always some fans that wouldn't let that happen...

But Vieira, and first Vilarinho, gave stability to Benfica financial situation... A new stadium, a young team is being builded, we are not seeing what was usual, change a team every year, like buy 11 players and sell another 11... This year, from the 1st team only Tiago was selled, that gave us money to BUILD THE "CENTRO DE ESTÁGIO", and for his place we have Manuel Fernandes that his our hotest prospect and could be even better than him... You are not seeing Benfica buying GREAT expensive players like Cannigia and Roger... LFV projects pass buy building a team that can be mantained with one or two changes by year only...

There shouldn't be many people disposed to take a presidence seeing Benfica situation... Benfica was very close to "falir"...

But now, we are recovering... And yes, it will be an hard job, and WE (suporters) need to help them... that's our job, to help them when they need us... I can see sinals of recovering... we win the Portugal Cup(i know is to few to a team like us) but more will come if Vieira keep doing this job... Pacience it's what we need... Benfica return is near, The only fear i see is Veiga... but i hope Vieira did the right choice...

Now, Virgo... He criticise Karadas as soon as Benfica buy him... He didn't see anything of him except for two excelent games against Benfica...

He can be a flop... the new Pringle, yes he can...

But after this game, he only deserve support, because he made not an average, but a GREAT game, and NO ONE can deny it...

I just really hope that when Benfica come back to victories, "supporters" like Virgo doesn't came to celebrate...

Originally posted by RuiCosta_10
Hey, i have my doubts on Veiga too...

But, i think that i can't doubt about LFV... neither any Benfiquista... if anybody is doing that is being unfair...

Let's see...

A president that recover Benfica from a financial situation very bad, remember news reporting that Benfica was even near to close the doors... of course that couldn't happen, because there would be always some fans that wouldn't let that happen...

But Vieira, and first Vilarinho, gave stability to Benfica financial situation... A new stadium, a young team is being builded, we are not seeing what was usual, change a team every year, like buy 11 players and sell another 11... This year, from the 1st team only Tiago was selled, that gave us money to BUILD THE "CENTRO DE ESTÁGIO", and for his place we have Manuel Fernandes that his our hotest prospect and could be even better than him... You are not seeing Benfica buying GREAT expensive players like Cannigia and Roger... LFV projects pass buy building a team that can be mantained with one or two changes by year only...

There shouldn't be many people disposed to take a presidence seeing Benfica situation... Benfica was very close to "falir"...

But now, we are recovering... And yes, it will be an hard job, and WE (suporters) need to help them... that's our job, to help them when they need us... I can see sinals of recovering... we win the Portugal Cup(i know is to few to a team like us) but more will come if Vieira keep doing this job... Pacience it's what we need... Benfica return is near, The only fear i see is Veiga... but i hope Vieira did the right choice...

Now, Virgo... He criticise Karadas as soon as Benfica buy him... He didn't see anything of him except for two excelent games against Benfica...

He can be a flop... the new Pringle, yes he can...

But after this game, he only deserve support, because he made not an average, but a GREAT game, and NO ONE can deny it...

I just really hope that when Benfica come back to victories, "supporters" like Virgo doesn't came to celebrate...

101% agree (Y)

Originally posted by Virgo
sure man I'm a Porto fan infiltrated with the goal of destroying every Benfica fan's morale in this forum and to turn everyone against our all mighty president and our all mighty football director.

Nah man I'm just not biased, can't you see it? You base your arguments on things as stupid as Veiga being portista. Man I bet you 99% of all directors in every sport aren't managing in their 'clube do coracao'.

We all have doubts in Vieira, Veiga, new players, but you can't judge anybody on what signings they make, only how the signings play. At the end of the season criticise all you want if we're not campeao, because I'll do the same.

Just give the team/direccao time. We'll see.

Originally posted by Paulo Da Silva
best fans in the air, the love for Benfica is shining through these forums.lol Well at least we have convos.

Go to portista forums. This is how it is:

"hahaha Ben****, ****in stupid mouros ahahaha"

"yeah ahahaha trapalhoni hahaha"

"ahahahaha benfica sucks ahahaha"

"man porto lost to valencia, but its ok because ben**** lost ahahah"

"ahahaha yeah dumb lamps"

:rolleyes:

Lol he is actually right Calve, no offense. José Veiga is/was a portista and he was the one who made the "Casa do Porto do Luxemburgo".

Originally posted by Vinnie Jones
Lol he is actually right Calve, no offense. José Veiga is/was a portista and he was the one who made the "Casa do Porto do Luxemburgo". I already know he's portista lol. :crazyboy:

And guess what, Luis Figo is benfiquista (seriously). :D

Originally posted by calve11
I already know he's portista lol. :crazyboy:

And guess what, Luis Figo is benfiquista (seriously). :D

Same with Cristiano Ronaldo :D, he wanted to play at Benfica... :(

Yeah, I have an article of A Bola about Ronaldo being benfiquista.

I'll post it later, I'm at work right now though...

That reminds, maybe I should be doing work. :p

Rui Costa:

Yes the recovery of the financial side of the club has to be praised, and even the way the club has been directed has improved a lot. We've been keeping ourselves from media disputes with Porto and Sporting that happened once a week in Vale e Azevedo times.

And yes I was enjoying a lot and I praised lots of times the work that was developed since Camacho took charge of Benfica. We didn't make many signings but we made good signings for specific positions where we were weakened and lots of weak players were released.

But now this season comes with Veiga and all his Porto's background. Most Benfica fans thought what the hell, maybe he can gets us new players with his connections.
And that's hardly what happened, we were forced to sell Tiago by 12 million € which I don't think it's a good price for a class player like him given the fact that Chelsea payed 20 million for a guy like Paulo Ferreira, 37 million for Drogba and so on.
I'd rather we didn't buy anyone except free players and have kept Tiago, offering new deals to him and R. Rocha who were rocks of our team and were ridiculously underpaid when comparing to guys like Zahovic who do nothing and the ever-injured Nuno Gomes.
But as Mourinho said and I agree, with the sale of Tiago we lost our engine in the midfield and we are weaker this year.


Now about Karadas I am a very logical person and logically I just can't think that a bench warmer in the norwegian league can be a player in the class of what Benfica should have.
I'm all for Camacho's logic in this issue. If a player isn't better than the ones we have atm we shouldn't sign him, especially when the club can't spend. If we sign Paulo Almeida to be a backup for Petit I can accept that, playing him in the first 11 is harsh though. If we sign Alcides even if he's injured he's a player of potential. But now Everson, even if he's good, he's too old to make a big impact. And Karadas certainly wasn't cheap.

About Karadas game vs Beira-Mar dfm said it best, it's the truth.


I have every right to celebrate if the team wins as you because I pay my 12€ every month, I never whistled anyone, I probably go to the stadium more times a year than you do and don't tell me I can't come to a freakin forum about football, that has nothing to do with the institution and express my views freely.

Oh btw I'm sorry I don't hate Porto and Sporting fans and don't feel happy with their defeats like you do if that's an obligation of a good fan.

Karadas costed 1.5 Million euros... and his signing was justified because he had only 2 strikers. great deal IMO... and you say that what dfm said is right so why it's luck the fact that karadas was in the right place and not skill? in the first goal he guessed where the ball will fall (said by him) and that is strikers skills not luck and in the third goal he made a great shot with "efeito" that was impossible to the keeper catch it, but off course this you don't say... oh i get it.. it's luck...:rolleyes:

you didn't said a simple "well done Karadas" since the game ended, just that, you only critisize the player and minimized his display. now think, if benfica fans were all like you how's Karadas morale will be? "I score goals and the fans don't appreciate my work"...

I thought Karadas was a good deal too.

I think the 'força' type he is will help him a lot more in Portugal than it did in Norway. :)

I don't consider 1.5million € for a bench warmer in Norway to be a bargain but that's probably just me again. And yes I thought he was lucky, if he does that 2 or 3 times more in the future I'll admit I was wrong about him. No problemo.

how much did Everson cost?

anyway there were lots of quality players available on free transfer in the summer.

I just don't want R. Rocha to leave now cuz I rate him as our most important player along with Petit atm, but things are looking ugly.

And btw is it just me also that hopes that given that we signed Karadas we don't renew with Sokota, especially if he's been asking for a substantial wage rise?

Originally posted by calve11
I already know he's portista lol. :crazyboy:

And guess what, Luis Figo is benfiquista (seriously). :D

Don't get any illusions, boys. The only Club highly-paid pro's are loyal to is the Million Euros' Club.

If you can, have a honest convo with a current or ex-pro player and you'll see what he says...

Lol exactly. In good old portuguese, "Já não existe amor à camisola e o romantismo já lá vai desde o Leão da Estrela"

Originally posted by Virgo

But now this season comes with Veiga and all his Porto's background. Most Benfica fans thought what the hell, maybe he can gets us new players with his connections.
And that's hardly what happened, we were forced to sell Tiago by 12 million € which I don't think it's a good price for a class player like him given the fact that Chelsea payed 20 million for a guy like Paulo Ferreira, 37 million for Drogba and so on.
I'd rather we didn't buy anyone except free players and have kept Tiago, offering new deals to him and R. Rocha who were rocks of our team and were ridiculously underpaid when comparing to guys like Zahovic who do nothing and the ever-injured Nuno Gomes.
But as Mourinho said and I agree, with the sale of Tiago we lost our engine in the midfield and we are weaker this year.


I can't say i trust in Veiga, cause i don't, and in this situation, i can agree with you, but ONLY with the end of the season... Give him time to work and then make a Constructive Opinion of his work, not before the things happen... We all know what happen with Tiago, a pure asshole, he couldn't have the best relation with Veiga, but as a professional he should be he should play by Benfica and be selled later as he wish to...

15 M € was a good deal IMO... and more !% if he comes back to Portugal...


Now about Karadas I am a very logical person and logically I just can't think that a bench warmer in the norwegian league can be a player in the class of what Benfica should have.

Manuel Fernandes is a bench warmer to sometimes... that doesn't make him an worst player than Za, and i know many european clubs would love to have him in their clubs...

I'm all for Camacho's logic in this issue. If a player isn't better than the ones we have atm we shouldn't sign him, especially when the club can't spend. If we sign Paulo Almeida to be a backup for Petit I can accept that, playing him in the first 11 is harsh though. If we sign Alcides even if he's injured he's a player of potential. But now Everson, even if he's good, he's too old to make a big impact. And Karadas certainly wasn't cheap.

I believe we need to buy subs for every positions... because Petit is great, and we don't need beter, because Luisão and RRocha are GREAT, and we don't need better and so on...

That's what we need, GOOD subs, because when we have an injury we will need somebody to back up, and that was our problem a few years ago, that have been solved with the new president...

I have every right to celebrate if the team wins as you because I pay my 12€ every month, I never whistled anyone, I probably go to the stadium more times a year than you do and don't tell me I can't come to a freakin forum about football, that has nothing to do with the institution and express my views freely.

The fact you pay 12€ every month doesn't make you a good supporter...

A good supporter is the one who support the team mainly in the BAD moments ---> :boohoo: I know it's the same old story, but it's the true...

And for me, this discussion is over. You have your opinion i have mine, different - shock, so... :)

Originally posted by INFESTA
Don't get any illusions, boys. The only Club highly-paid pro's are loyal to is the Million Euros' Club.

If you can, have a honest convo with a current or ex-pro player and you'll see what he says... No kidding, I'm just saying CR and Figo are Benfica fans.

Originally posted by RuiCosta_10
I can't say i trust in Veiga, cause i don't, and in this situation, i can agree with you, but ONLY with the end of the season... Give him time to work and then make a Constructive Opinion of his work, not before the things happen... We all know what happen with Tiago, a pure asshole, he couldn't have the best relation with Veiga, but as a professional he should be he should play by Benfica and be selled later as he wish to...

15 M € was a good deal IMO... and more !% if he comes back to Portugal...

Manuel Fernandes is a bench warmer to sometimes... that doesn't make him an worst player than Za, and i know many european clubs would love to have him in their clubs...

I believe we need to buy subs for every positions... because Petit is great, and we don't need beter, because Luisão and RRocha are GREAT, and we don't need better and so on...

That's what we need, GOOD subs, because when we have an injury we will need somebody to back up, and that was our problem a few years ago, that have been solved with the new president...

The fact you pay 12€ every month doesn't make you a good supporter...

A good supporter is the one who support the team mainly in the BAD moments ---> :boohoo: I know it's the same old story, but it's the true...

And for me, this discussion is over. You have your opinion i have mine, different - shock, so... :)


It was 12million € the Tiago fee, 15 million € would be more adjusted

Manuel Fernandes is 18. Cristiano Ronaldo and Quaresma weren't regulars at Sporting at his age. Don't compare with Karadas.

The thing we needed more was a playmaker and we didn't get him. We got 2 keepers instead, that pissed me off.

That bad moments thing about how supportive we should be if you're a good supporter means crap to me.
I'm not saying we should follow their example but you know what Super Dragoes said to the team during Octavio's time? They made up chants like "Nao jogam nada cabroes" and stuff like that. Look at where Porto is now.
As I see it we may be too supportive of our team, we had a filled stadium for Anderlecht game and we sold out all our tickets to Belgium, and look at what they did.

Originally posted by Virgo
It was 12million € the Tiago fee, 15 million € would be more adjusted

Manuel Fernandes is 18. Cristiano Ronaldo and Quaresma weren't regulars at Sporting at his age. Don't compare with Karadas.

The thing we needed more was a playmaker and we didn't get him. We got 2 keepers instead, that pissed me off.

That bad moments thing about how supportive we should be if you're a good supporter means crap to me.
I'm not saying we should follow their example but you know what Super Dragoes said to the team during Octavio's time? They made up chants like "Nao jogam nada cabroes" and stuff like that. Look at where Porto is now.
As I see it we may be too supportive of our team, we had a filled stadium for Anderlecht game and we sold out all our tickets to Belgium, and look at what they did.

Don't compare Octavio with Trap.... please... Octavio is the worst coach of portuguese history... PDC opened his eyes and get Mourinho... of course that is a case to be criticised by Porto fans... But our situation now it's by far different from that one...

That "Nao jogam nada cabroes" is with them... We will not ever get to that level... And it wasn't because of that that Porto win all this... it was because PDC get Mourinho... that was the key...

Originally posted by Virgo
It was 12million € the Tiago fee, 15 million € would be more adjusted UEFA's official site (Portuguese version) said it was 15 million euros.

I still don't know what he was sold for lol. :D

I agree with Virgo's point so far. If you want to excel you got to have a winning mentality and, above all, a critic spirit (in a good way). If you eat all they give you without questioning then you should vote Bush (sorry for the insult). Sometimes the best way to stick by your team in bad periods is to point out what's wrong with it and how it could be corrected.

Having said that, RuiCosta_10 is right on his last post. Octávio was the worst coach in the world ever. He's worse than José Romão (that's how bad he is!). He can't be compared to Trap by any means or standards. Also, I'm not a big fan of the SD and their way of getting things out. Calling your players 'cabrões' is not nice, to say the least. But probably that's what they usually call their friends also, so there.

RuiCosta_10: The key wasn't Mourinho, but Pinto da Costa. He promptly admitted his mistake and made amends, just like in the Del Neri case. ;)

Originally posted by INFESTA
If you eat all they give you without questioning then you should vote Bush (sorry for insult).

i know you don't like us but please don't insult us so much :crazyboy: BUSH! please Infesta don't be evil with us! :evil:

our B team started very well the Third Division. we won 0-4 at Fazendense with Curto (2), Roque and Firmino goals (H)

FIRMINO!!! that kid is great! :)

we are 21th in the IFFHS ranking :)

Originally posted by Punkt
we are 21th in the IFFHS ranking :)

Still far away from the great FC Porto(7th)... :mrpimp:

Originally posted by [dfm]
Still far away from the great FC Porto(7th)... :mrpimp:

but we gave a huge jump. you can deny that :p

Originally posted by Punkt
but we gave a huge jump. you can deny that :p

Yep, being in the top 25 is a good achievment, can't deny that, but u must remember Benfica reached this position cause last year u reached the last 16 in UEFA Cup, finished second in the league and won the cup(that robbed one u know :p)...

Originally posted by nor-rbk
Can someone post a link to the list?:)

check the thread that i opened ;)

Originally posted by Punkt
check the thread that i opened ;)

Yeah, just noticed.:)

The link to that is http://www.iffhs.de/

Rather strange day for me today

I saw Sokota happilly shopping at Vasco da Gama Center with his family. He's really taller and better built than he looks on TV. I'd say he's almost 1,90.

And I discovered that my best friend is a neighbour and friend to Nuno Veludo of the Benfica B team.

:p

and is that a problem?

Originally posted by Parasol
and is that a problem?

hmmm... no, what makes you think it's supposed to be one?

he is a human being like any of us, he also has the right to be at vasco da gama :p


did u saw his wife? :confused:

Originally posted by Virgo
Rather strange day for me today

I saw Sokota happilly shopping at Vasco da Gama Center with his family. He's really taller and better built than he looks on TV. I'd say he's almost 1,90.

And I discovered that my best friend is a neighbour and friend to Nuno Veludo of the Benfica B team.

:p

You could ask him if he will renew his contract with SLB :p

Record says that he will not renew... But, Record... well :rolleyes: They said the same thing about Manu Fernandes...

The title is...

"Karadas chega atrasado ao treino e é recebido com aplausos.
Sokota ve a renovação ameaçada."

Or something like that. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Virgo
Rather strange day for me today

I saw Sokota happilly shopping at Vasco da Gama Center with his family. He's really taller and better built than he looks on TV. I'd say he's almost 1,90.
´

It's always cool to see a footballer you like in person. I get to see a lot of FC Porto players myself, since I take the same road as them to go to work (to 'Centro de Estágios do Olival'). This past week, for instance, I passed by Reinaldo Teles and the great Costinha (with his Porshe). ;)

it's kinda regular people to have porshes nowadays in the dragao stadium...

Yeah Sokota's wife is a hot blonde, and he has a little kid

I suppose she's croatian also bcs they weren't speaking portuguese.

Nuno Gomes is recovered. :D

Karadas didn't make a great match against Beira-Mar. He didn't make a single ball reception in good conditions, if he hadn't score the goals and made the assist, he'd been criticized heavely. The goals kinda disguised a poor exibition from the norwegian... But the fact is that he scored 2 goals and gave another one to Petit, and Karadas, has a striker has done his job. No more discussions. How many times has Sokota made great matches and didn't score a goal? I think Sokota is a terrific forward, but he's not a striker nor a «matador». Is the best player I've ever seen playing with his back turn to the goal (de costas para a baliza), and he's great at passing. But he only 'works' properly if he has another forward with him, if that doesn't happen he stays very alone and unable to help Benfica.
I think that the best tactic (for now) for Benfica is to play with one forward (Karadas) when we don't have Nuno Gomes, and play with two forwards when Nuno is able to play (Sokota+Nuno Gomes). Nuno Gomes combines very well with strong and physical strikers.
I think should sign another deal with Sokota, because he's important for the team and a crowd favorite!
Benfica's team is not as bad as people like to say. I think we have good players, the best coach in the world, so is not impossible for us to do a good season... Have faith!

I've read in yesterdays 'Record' that Benfica has a short list of centre-backs, Offensive-midfielders and strikers..
I understand that we need ASAP a new nº10, but a centre-back and a striker, what for ?
For CBs we have Luisão, Ricardo Rocha (musn't leave, please!), Amoreirinha (far better than Argel), Argel (important for the team, but musn't play when we have everyone in condition) and Alcides (don't know much about him, we'll see)... But If they do sign another CB, why not João Paulo of Leiria ? Very good player,young, portuguese, must be cheap...
There are so many good OM in the Superliga, I hope that they don't sign another foreigner! Nuno Assis, Silas, and why not Ricardo Sousa ?
A striker ?? What for? We have Karadas, Sokota, Nuno Gomes and Mantorras (when/if he recovers), and also Manuel Curto and Vasco Firmino...
Why spend more money ? Like the brazillian clubs do, Benfica must find solutions in the younger players!

Originally posted by panduru
Karadas didn't make a great match against Beira-Mar. He didn't make a single ball reception in good conditions, if he hadn't score the goals and made the assist, he'd been criticized heavely. The goals kinda disguised a poor exibition from the norwegian... But the fact is that he scored 2 goals and gave another one to Petit, and Karadas, has a striker has done his job. No more discussions. How many times has Sokota made great matches and didn't score a goal? I think Sokota is a terrific forward, but he's not a striker nor a «matador». Is the best player I've ever seen playing with his back turn to the goal (de costas para a baliza), and he's great at passing. But he only 'works' properly if he has another forward with him, if that doesn't happen he stays very alone and unable to help Benfica.
I think that the best tactic (for now) for Benfica is to play with one forward (Karadas) when we don't have Nuno Gomes, and play with two forwards when Nuno is able to play (Sokota+Nuno Gomes). Nuno Gomes combines very well with strong and physical strikers.
I think should sign another deal with Sokota, because he's important for the team and a crowd favorite!
Benfica's team is not as bad as people like to say. I think we have good players, the best coach in the world, so is not impossible for us to do a good season... Have faith!

Mate, and you were going so well, right until the 'best coach in the world' bit. :(

Originally posted by panduru
Karadas didn't make a great match against Beira-Mar. He didn't make a single ball reception in good conditions, if he hadn't score the goals and made the assist, he'd been criticized heavely. The goals kinda disguised a poor exibition from the norwegian... But the fact is that he scored 2 goals and gave another one to Petit, and Karadas, has a striker has done his job. No more discussions. How many times has Sokota made great matches and didn't score a goal? I think Sokota is a terrific forward, but he's not a striker nor a «matador». Is the best player I've ever seen playing with his back turn to the goal (de costas para a baliza), and he's great at passing. But he only 'works' properly if he has another forward with him, if that doesn't happen he stays very alone and unable to help Benfica.
I think that the best tactic (for now) for Benfica is to play with one forward (Karadas) when we don't have Nuno Gomes, and play with two forwards when Nuno is able to play (Sokota+Nuno Gomes). Nuno Gomes combines very well with strong and physical strikers.
I think should sign another deal with Sokota, because he's important for the team and a crowd favorite!
Benfica's team is not as bad as people like to say. I think we have good players, the best coach in the world, so is not impossible for us to do a good season... Have faith!

Dude, the objective of football is to score goals, and Karadas scored twice. He even made the last pass to the other goal. You can't ask more from a striker. He's no playmaker to do those amazing plays with feints and sprints, so, don't judge him like that.

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Dude, the objective of football is to score goals, and Karadas scored twice. He even made the last pass to the other goal. You can't ask more from a striker. He's no playmaker to do those amazing plays with feints and sprints, so, don't judge him like that.
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That's what I said.

«But the fact is that he scored 2 goals and gave another one to Petit, and Karadas, has a striker has done his job. No more discussions. How many times has Sokota made great matches and didn't score a goal?»

When one talks about a player making (or not) a great game, one reffers to the qualiity of his game, of the whole performance, right? Well, I don't think that Karadas has made such a great game, but the fact is that he basicly gave us the victory. He's not paid to make stunning plays, he's paid to score goals, and that was what he did. I'd be happy if he's like that all the time, always on the right place at the right time! :) It would mean that Benfica had finnally found a «matador» !

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Mate, and you were going so well, right until the 'best coach in the world' bit.
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Well, he coaches my team, we helds my dreams, so for me he's the best in the world... and will be until another one replaces him :)

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VEIGA JÁ TRABALHA NA RENOVAÇÃO DE SOKOTA
Benfica propõe mais quatro anos

O Benfica propôs ao empresário de Tomo Sokota a renovação do contrato do jogador por mais quatro temporadas. Depois de uma interrupção nas negociações (iniciadas ainda antes do Euro'2004), o homem forte do futebol encarnado, José Veiga, abordou o empresário do ponta-de-lança nos últimos dias, tendo deixado claro que o clube da Luz pretende prorrogar muito em breve o vínculo do avançado croata, que termina em Junho do próximo ano.

"José Veiga falou comigo há dois dias sobre a renovação do contrato de Tomo Sokota", disse o agente Zoran Stojadinovic à Rádio Renascença. "Há interesse do Benfica na sua permanência por mais quatro anos."

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Probable line-up for today's game against Moreirense

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--Miguel--------------Luisão-----------R.Rocha--------------Fyssas--
---------------------Petit--------------M.Fernandes((H))---------------
---Carlitos---------------------Zahovic------------------------Simão---
---------------------------------Karadas----------------------------------

FORÇA BENFICAAA!!!

good news! now he just needs to calibrate his feet and his head to the goal...

Is Benfica on RTP today? At what time?

TVI at 21:15 :)

RTP will not give any game of SuperLiga now

Im in Canada, so I just want to know if Benfica is on RTPi??

Oh... i don't know about that... Sorry

Originally posted by VilaDoConde
Im in Canada, so I just want to know if Benfica is on RTPi??

yes:)

official line up:

----------------------------------Moreira----------------------------------
--Miguel--------------Luisão-----------R.Rocha--------------Dos Santos
---------------------Petit--------------M.Fernandes---------------
---Carlitos---------------------Zahovic------------------------Simão---
---------------------------------Karadas----------------------------------

go Benfica:rockman:

is that Karadas is Azer Karadas??