Gee, I wonder who will win.

.......Ronaldinho........Fabio Junior
Denilson........Alex.....Mozart......Juninhio
Felippe.......R Junior...A Carlos..Evanilson

Not so fast junhinio

3-5-2
GK:C.Abbiatti(Milan)
Def:M.Zanchi(Juventus),D.Daino(Milan),R.Baronio(La zio)
Midfield:G.Zambrotta22 years old(Juventus)if he accepts invitation ,M.Ambrosini21 years old (Milan),I.Gattuso21 years old(Milan),F.Totti,23yrs old(Rome)if he accepts invitation,A.Cassano19 yrs old(Bari)
Strikers:A.Pirlo22 years old,N.Ventola23 years old(Atalanta)

That defeats the purpose of the f-ing Olympics!!

They are supposed to be a championship for amateur athletes. Not bastards that get paid millions of dollars!

I agree a_shearer but the problem with soccer unlike other sports is that people are pros when the are 16. Unless you wanna make soccer an under 12 sport in the olympics I'm afraid pros will be in there.

Yeah right as if Italy have the balls to play 3 5 2. Try 5 4 1. Maybe they will get 2 goals in the game against Japan.

Fabio Junior new Ronaldo
Alex is the new Rivaldo
Ronaldinho the new Pele
Felippe the new R Carlos

Our team is going to eat Italy alive.

Players like Pirlo and Ventola as good as they are wouldn't even be starters for Brasil.

Ah you are really a tipical brazilian ,you guys always underestimate your opponents and when you guys least expect it ,your team loses .Zanchi is already considered as the next Nesta and Juventus just bought him and signed him a lucrative contract .Pirlo,he is the mixture of Del Piero and Vieri ,he is a playmaker like Del Piero but has a good finishing like Vieri .Ventola ,averages 2 goals per game with the national team .Abbiatti ,only 21 and is Milan's starting goalkkeper .Junhinio ,keep underestimating every team cause you may get a huge surprise .

Ventola what?? That fact is false. Ronaldinho is much much better. Pirlo is a poor version of Alex. And I dont know who that guy in defense is but history has proven that the Brasilian attack always will be too much for the Italian keeper and defense.

What what ? Brasil always underestimating their opponents ? Who was advertising about being the superior team in Euro 2000 ? Which fans and from which nation were celebrating about their "great victory" in Rome and the site of the final 40 seconds from time ? Who underestimated the two forwards that came on as substitutes to defeat Italy in injury time ?

Ha. I think you know the answer. Nuff Said.

TeKNoS

Juninio you are the cockiest bastard in the this whole forum....

'we are going to eat italy alive'

WHY DONT U EVER SHUTUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOD I AM SICK TO DEATH OF YOU AND YOU NEVER SHUTING YOUR BIG MOUTH ABOUT HOW GOOD BRAZIL ARE!!!!!!!!!

AND DONT SAY YOU DO IN SELF DEFENCE BECAUSE THIS TOPIC WAS STARTED BY YOU!!!

im not paying out Brazil or anything they are a great team and will be favourites to win the tournement but still comments like that can be kept to yourself!!

PS. Australia all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kewell and Viduka up front!

Teknos ,just back off ,im not talking to u .Junhinio,you people do underestimate teams ,look at WC98 ,everyone said Brazil were going to beat Norway easily and instead Norway beats them or whatabout against Denmark ,they almost lost to them but im sure b4 the match ,every brazilian expected an easy game and what about Paraguay ,you people really underestimated them and they surprised everyone .So like I said ,you should stop underestimating other teams.Junhinio ,you dont know anything about italian players so dont judge because im sure you did not see them play .

Make the Olympic Soccer an U-16 tournament. Let true amateurs play.

Teknos ,Junhinio started all this and stop defending him ,Junhinio can take care of himselve ,he doesnt need a guardian like you .

a_shearer, excellent idea. It would give those players a good chance to show off their skills to scouts as well and be recruited for professional clubs. I don't really want to see a tournament that will essentially be the same as another World Cup.

Hehe, nice mediation, Teknos. http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

-dsh

Paulo_Rossi if you had seen Brazil v Chile in a pre olympic friendly the other day, you would be gladly eating your words. Ronaldinho IS the next Rivaldo, the way he moves is mesmeric. Even though Alex was a sub, he still shone out and scored a fantastic goal. Granted, I have not seen the Olympic Italy team, but if Italy can beat Brazil, they will win the next 2 or 3 world cups.

Thats the thing ,you guys never seen the italian U21 national team ,but they are great ,and for some of you dont know ,the U21 team play an offensive tactics unlike the national team .They use the 3-5-2 formation .

Three defenders wont be enough to contain the Brasilian attack. Beware. The future is here.

Japan have a great U-21 Olympic team!

They're not taking with any of their star over 21 players like Hidetoshi Nakata and Shouji Jou!

And in qualifying, they had a perfect record and thrashed Thailand 9-0 and Phillipines 14-0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Junhinio ,we will see about that .

Paolo_Rossi:

I don't care who you're talking to. I'm tired of your stupid Anti-Brasilian comments. You flood the forum with senseless crap about how they're not a good team, they don't deserve to be number one, etc. You are the one that needs to shut up.

By the way this:
[Junhinio ,you dont know anything about italian players so dont judge because im sure you did not see them play]

Is some of the weakest crap I've heard from you. Juninhio seems to have an extensive knowledge about Italian players, since he often names players on club teams AND your own national team when you debate and compare. Also, how do you know he doesn't see Italian players ? Ever heard of television ? What about you ? How come you're so quick to criticize Brasil ? Do YOU watch Brasilian matches, both club and national ? It's easy to point fingers for something that you don't do as well.

Stop your generalized, anti-Brasilian, Italian nationalistic comments on this forum. Many people are tired of it already.

Juninhio, I haven't backed you up personally because you're guilty of fighting as well. But I will tell you this, you've proved a point you never had to. Brasil is the most accomplished and most developed football nation there is. If Paolo_Rossi continues to post against your team, just ignore it. I'm sure many of the people on this forum, both Brasilian and Italian, would like to see an end to it all. Thanks,

TeKNoS

juninhio, you know that you are by far the most idiotic, cockiest brazilian i know and i know a few. "brazil is going to eat italy alive", all i can say is kiss my ass, have you even seen the brazilian and italian national sides play. i didnt think so.
but if you did good god. and paolo when you say that juninhio is a typical brazilian, i would have to disagree, im not tryin to piss anybody off, dumb brazilian.

[This message has been edited by Italia#1 (edited 08-15-2000).]

Italia#1:

And you're equally as idiotic, stupid and cocky as well. You try to pass off Italy's loss as their own fault, and France having nothing to do with it (which wasn't the case since Trezeguet and Wiltord won the match with two great goals in good time), but you refuse to accept the opinion that Brasil didn't play good against France. Excuses, excuses. Brasil has more of a case, especially since Ronaldo had seizures before the game. Anyway that's not the point.

What I really wanted to do was post Brasil's lineup against Chile for those of you that think Brasil doesn't have talent:

Goalkeepers: Dida (AC Milan), Rogerio Ceni (Sao Paulo)

Defenders: Cafu (Roma), Evanilson (Borussia Dortmund), Beletti (Sao Paulo), Roberto Carlos (Real Madrid), Junior (Parma), Antonio Carlos (Roma), Roque Junior (Milan), Edmilson (Sao Paulo), Fabio Bilica (Venezia).

Midfielders: Emerson Ferreira (Roma), Djalminha (La Coruna), Marcos Assuncao (Roma), Alex (Parma), Rivaldo (Barcelona), Marcos Paulo (Cruzeiro), Ricardinho (Corinthians).

Forwards: Amoroso (Parma), Marques (Atletico Mineiro), Luizao (Corinthians)

Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world

I guess Italian clubs tend to disagree there, since there seem to be a lot of Brasilian national players playing on Italian clubs.

Also, don't call Juninhio dumb. You're the dumbass. In your topic "How is Brasil still number one in the world," you forgot to include a question mark. So please, don't go around thinking of yourself as an intelligent individual unless you identify your own faults first.

TeKNoS

No kidding Tek. This ****er writes messsages like how is Brasil #1 and expects us Fans to sit and shut up.

Well how is Italy in the top ten. You started this **** so now you cant handle it when we give it back.

I'm glad Italy lost cause then you cocky Italians would say Italy beat France so Italy is the best in the world and bull**** like that.

Even though they havent had a competiive match with Argentina or Brasil in years.

Hey you dumb****s ,you say Ronaldo was injured in the finals ,well we didnt have Vieri ,so we are equal .The impact of Vieri in the team would of made a big difference ,for one thing Del piero wouldnt had played in the finals .Wiltord and Trezeguet's goal were deserving to France ,but we cost the match by not keeping the ball longer wich would of meant that Wiltord would of probably never scored .

Hey asshole. I never said Ronaldo as an excuse. FRANCE BEAT BRASIL FAIR AND SQUARE. Same with Italy. Its you guys who always cry about the past.

I'm proud of Brasil they won 3 of the last 4 major tournements they were in. Wow they lost one world cup. No team wins every year. And unlike other teams Brasil is a favorite every year.

To show you how stupid your arguement is over vieri etc baggio in extra time in 98 etc i'll give you a Brasilian prespective I hate and disagree with.

Urugray didnt beat Brasil in 1950 Brasil beat Brasil. If they would have called the penalty on Adimar we could have won

Brasil didnt send its best players in 1966 no pele/gerson etc.

Brasil lost in 78 because the Argentina team has admited to paying off Peru to win 6 - 0 when Brasil would have went through if they won 5-0.

Italy didnt beat Brasil in 82 Brasil beat Brasil. Italy was lucky Pablo Rossi had his suspension cut short. Um, brasil didnt defend when they should have.

Brasil didnt beat france because of a missed Zico penalty.

Argentina cheated in 90 etc.

See how stupid all of that sounds. Brasil lost fair and square now I wish you Italians could accept the same for your team.

Sure I know they lose everytime on penalties or golden goals, but is it Brasil's fault?? Why must you guys post messages asking Why is Brasil #1 does it really affect you?

Its funny how you brag about the unbreakable Italian defense and they get shattered in 10 minutes.

First of all ,we do have an incredible defense .Against France ,our players werent playing cause they taught they were going to win ,but instead that cost him .As for Trezeguet's goal ,it was a good goal ,but our team didnt even play as good as they did in the first 90 minutes ,probably because they were shocked of Wiltord's goal .I knew as soon as Wiltord had scored ,that we were going to lose ,i just knew it .Secondly ,France does deserve the euro2000 title because they got the goals that they needed ,but in a way we screwed ourselves in the same time ,so may things could of had been done to prevent Wiltord's goal but we didnt .Secondly ,wasnt you guys who complained that Brazil gave the world cup away ?That to me is a cheap excuse .

paolo we 've heard ur biased italian bullcrap
cant u talk about anything else?
ur arguments are most boring and predictable..

il state my opinion again , for those who are unclear:
Brasil is #1
Italy are over-rated by paolo and italia type ppl
Brasil did not play their best futebol at wc98, France did and deserved the cup. Same for euro 2000 , it was great for non-boring futebol that France won.

http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif hope we talk bout somethin else - we all know each other's opinion by now

This post was written for "How is Brasil still #1," but I want to post here too.

[Teknos ,what is your point of posting the brazilian national team ?]

I know your question was made with the intention of irritating me, but that's ok. You're the ignorant one, since you don't pay attention to what I really mean with my posts.

Anyway to answer your question: I posted the Brasilian national team so you could read the little words in the parentheses (e.g. [Roma], [Parma], [Milan], [Venezia]), yeah you know, Italian club team names. I wanted you to see how Italy doesn't consider Brasilian players as untalented or undeveloped, or "low-ranking," as you try to depict them. Don't make me give you a reading lesson again please.

You can deny that, and then say "I think Brasil is a good team, bla bla bla," but I've seen enough posts about Italian players being "twice the talent of Ronaldinho," and other crap to know better. I'm extremely annoyed already. If Italy's strikers were better (and I'm saying this carefully, since I know you'll cry and start posting against ME), Totti would score on a more frequent basis. I believe that both teams have great talent, but in different areas. I believe that Brasil is a good all-around team, and has an unusual defensive style, since the defenders become wingers and attack too, and they have a good, flowing midfield, with great strikers will good ball control up top. I believe Italy is a great defensive team, and they have the solid, strong defense that helps them win their games. I really haven't seen much action with their midfield, but I have seen the strikers in action, and I think they're very random, but definitely can score when given the opportunity. I've only seen one goal by Totti though, and that was off of a header. Del Piero, I won't even say a word.

Also, I'd like to clarify that I'm not defending Juninhio, because I don't like the way he instigates arguments as well, but I defend Brasil out of my own free will. There are two teams that I love to watch when they play, and will always support, and those are Mexico and Brasil. I support my national team because I am proud of the talent that they have shown during my time, and I support Brasil for their amazing ballwork and control, and loose, flowing style of play.

That is why I am offended when you and Italia#1 post crap about how they aren't good anymore, or don't deserve to be considered good, because I disagree. I've seen enough talent. I also do not like when Paolo_Rossi posts things such as "Brasil's World Cups don't matter, that it doesn't represent talent, etc." I'm also tired of hearing about how Italy was the better team in the 94 final, and that they should have won, and bla bla bla. I'm also tired of hearing that Brasil deserved to lose in France 98, and how Italy deserved to win in Euro 2000. If it were the case, I think CROATIA should have won 98, since it was their first time and they got far, only to lose dramatically in the semis. When a team goes that far, no one deserves to lose or win. It is the winning team's will and strength that pushes themselves to victory, no matter if it is on the field or in penalties. In penalties a team's integrity and mental strength is tested. There players have to think about their country, instead of always trying to score a pretty goal. That is why players like Baggio (shut the f*ck up, I'm telling you now before you say crap later), Raul, De Boer, etc. have missed in the past, because they either are not mentally strong enough to handle pressure, or make the mistake of overestimating their talent. Anyway, this post has become quite long. I think I've made my point.

TeKNoS

Please mind Pablo he is living in some fantasy world where we believe Brasil gave France a world cup.

All of us know Brasil lost fair and square. It was a day when everything when wrong for Brasil.

Pablo Listen::

BRASIL LOST TO FRANCE FAIR AND SQAURE WERE NOT COMPLAINING!!! I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT IN 2002 the young stars ALEX RONALDINHO FELIPPE etc will provide a new nucleus.

hey dont count Australia out if Brazil finish 5th...

Teknos

the thing i find funny in this is that you have said numerous times that this argument is useless and that paolo is a dumbass...etc etc etc

so why do u continue to write lengthy posts and involving yourself in the argument!!!!

I stopped because i saw it was useless in trying to convince juninio to stop saying that Brazil was the best etc etc etc and when Paolo says that Italy are good (he never said they were better) he gets attacked by Juninio...

PS. You called Paolo a dumbass before for not putting a full stop at the end of a topic he posted......
oooooooohhhhhhh noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this sentence doesnt have a capital at the start!
*gasp*
you truly are grasping at straws if you start saying thigs like that!

Teknos ,Im really annoyed of you always posting how Ronaldhino is the best and all that stuff .First of all ,what has ronnaldinho done ?Ok,so he is 20 and is already considered the best futur prospect,but that doesnt mean he is the best forward ,he has yet to prove that .The day that i will say that he is the best player is the day that he plays in serie A and score a big number of goals .And then you compare to Totti and say how Ronaldinho is much better .First of all ,Totti plays in Serie A for many years and has performed very good in each of those season .You say he only scored one goal in euro2000 ,but your wrong he scored 2 and he played as a AMC and not as a striker and he was also in the euro2000 dream lineup .Ronaldinho wil become a big player in the futur or become a bust ,but he still has something to prove .

juninhio your eating your words, you have just replied saying that you lost to france fair and square which you did, but in a earlier reply you said that brazil had a bad day, meaning that you had a reason for why you lost to france. give me a break. make sure that you can back it up. and hopefully this will be the last time i have to say anything about this topic, in 2 matches against france italy, italy lost in a shoot-out, which they have lost for a while until holland. and the other it took the french until 3:30 of extra time to score. and ofcourse they won. in 1 match against france, brazil france beat brazil 3-0. ZIDANE, who got two goals of his head and petit. when italy played france i dont think you heard the name ZIDANE.

juninhio your eating your words, you have just replied saying that you lost to france fair and square which you did, but in a earlier reply you said that brazil had a bad day, meaning that you had a reason for why you lost to france. give me a break. make sure that you can back it up. and hopefully this will be the last time i have to say anything about this topic, in 2 matches against france italy, italy lost in a shoot-out, which they have lost for a while until holland. and the other it took the french until 3:30 of extra time to score. and ofcourse they won. in 1 match against france, brazil france beat brazil 3-0. ZIDANE, who got two goals of his head and petit. when italy played france i dont think you heard the name ZIDANE.

Kewell:

I hardly understood half of your gibberish. Better luck next time mate. Drink some more beeah to losen you up next time. Stop looking at the joeys hop around when you're stoned too.

Paolo:

When did I say Ronaldinho was the best ? I think you're confused with Juninhio. The only time I had posted about Ronaldinho was in my previous post. And even that, the comment wasn't directly about him. It was to point out how you like to portray Italian players as "twice the power of certain Brasilian players." Read more carefully next time before you waste a whole post on something that I hadn't done. Thanks,

TeKNoS

hey teknos, when you said that "That is why I am offended when you and Italia#1 post crap about how they aren't good anymore", now that is a bunch of crap, when did I once say that brazil isnt good anymore. when. ill believe you if you can go back in all of my post and find when i supposively said that.

and just so every brazilian out there nows that i think brazil is a great team, players like rivaldo, ronaldo, denilson, they have amazing skills that are out of this world, thats why i say that brazil still is #1 in the world in ball skills and their first touch, also their passing is fanominal, they dont keep the ball on their foot for less then a second, but right now in the world rankings i think that brazil should be #2 and france #1, thats all, believe me brazil will always be in the top 2,

so teknos stop putting words into my mouth

Yes Italia#1 Brasil did lose fair and square, thats because they had a very bad day everything went wrong for them.

I never said "Brasil beat Brasil not France beat brasil" or any bull **** you Italians like to reguritate.

When ever there is a tournement Brasil always must win there is no exception but their team is human and they must lose sometimes too.

And yes in my opinion Ronaldinho will be the best player just like in Pablo_Rossi's opinion Fiore will be much better than Veron on Lazio. http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Italia#1:

I didn't mean you directly, I mean you, Paolo_Rossi and other Italian, anti-Brasilian people on this forum that have posted against the Brasilian team. The thing that annoyed me was your pointless topic "How is Brasil still #1."
Which brings me to this:

[thats why i say that brazil still is #1 in the world]

You are contradicting yourself there buddy. Make up your mind. In the past you've said that they shouldn't be number one.

[but right now in the world rankings i think that brazil should be #2 and france #1, thats all, believe me brazil will always be in the top 2]

I have explained numerous times that the FIFA/COCA-COlA World Rankings are based on POINT VALUES for past victories in tournaments and A matches. That's the way it is, no one can change that but FIFA so why question over and over again ?

FRANCE IS NUMBER ONE RIGHT NOW. THEY WON THE WORLD CUP. ISN'T THAT PROOF ENOUGH ? Brasil is number one in the rankings because they've done well in the past. ALL TEAMS HAVE BAD SPELLS, GET OVER IT. BRASIL ISN'T INVINCIBLE.

JUNINHIO NEVER SAID THAT THEY NEVER LOSE, SO STOP ALREADY. One loss by Brasil and everyone jumps on Juninhio's back, saying things like "oh hey, didn't you say they were number one ?" , "Man Brasil sucks !" I'm tired of it. I'm tired of people thinking that Brasil always "underestimates" and "should always win if they're the best."

Man you people have no idea as to how hard it is for a team to beat all the nations that Brasil has beaten. These guys already go through a world of **** from the media, they don't need other people questioning them over and over again on this forum. When will you be satisfied ? When they're lynched on the streets for losing another qualifier ? When is this going to come to an end ? What does it take to stop the hatred in this forum ?

TeKNoS

I'll tell you what it takes. All it takes is for Juninhio and everybody else dissing Italy and going on and on about the great superiority of the Brazilian team to shut their mouth. We'll shut ours as well.

teknos i said in SKILL, again your putting more words in my mouth, and when i said "but right now in the world rankings i think that brazil should be #2 and france #1, thats all, believe me brazil will always be in the top 2.
i meant in the future


[This message has been edited by Italia#1 (edited 08-16-2000).]

Teknos,cant you ****n read,when did i every say that Brazil sucks ?I never said that .About Ronaldhino ,in my mind he will be a good player ,but he has yet to prove that he is the best and the only way he can is if he goes to play in europe ,because if he plays in brazil ,he wont get much recognition from the rest of the world .

I don't know about anyone else, but I find this discussion unbelievably amusing. It's like one of those circular arguments: "You're dumb!" "No, you are!" "Nu-uh, you are!" I kind of wonder, if Brazil and Italy hadn't played in the 94 final, would we still see this conversation? Perhaps that's completely unrelated, but I think there's still a grudge...

Carry on, boys.

-dsh

For starters, Juninhio you could learn how to spell Uruguay, spell it U-R-U-G-U-A-Y, it's that small country to the South.
Now don't think this is only going to you, it's going to you Italians


Uruguay could have won WC 1934 & 1938 had they decided to participate.

Uruguay could have won WC 1954, had Obdulio Varela not shatered his foot.

Uruguay could have won WC 1966, had the german Schnellinger not deflected Rocha's header with his hand.

Uruguay could have won WC 1970, had the Semi been played in El Azteca, the way it had been programed, insted of Guadalajara how Brazil demanded, and had Uruguay not been missing both fowards due to injuries.

Uruguay could have won Copa America 99, had we sent the Main squad insted of the Reserve.

Uruguay could have beaten Colombia yesterday, had Recoba not been injured.


Your not the only ones that can make escuses. I can go on like this for weeks...

Ruben thank you for veryifying the silly argument. I know how to spell it was a typo. Next I never said Italy sucks, I said inter is my favorite team I said they were idiots to loan Ventola and get Sukur etc.

I said I am offened when ever I express my opinion which is That Brasil is #1 (Believe it or not I get an opinion) and everyone gang beats me because thats how I feel. And its all the Italy fans Forza Azzurri Pablo, Italia, etc.

Its like it really hurts you guys if Brasil is ranked one. Well tomorrow do a test see that if Brasil is still ranked #1 by morning and the world has or has not ended okay?

First of all ,junhinio ,you said that Brazil is number 1 ,wich is your opinion and i posted my opinion that they are 2nd .So who's fault is it ?