Sure i'm a bit upset now. But first and formost I support south america. Next I support Netherlands and France. Couple lines later Germany and Spain.

BUT I'LL NEVER SUPPORT ITALY!!!

Why idiot fans like Pablo Rossi. "I think I'm so great". I like Argentina because most of them are from italy. And other Bull_Sh!t like that.

First of all most Argentines are from Spain or cant you recognize that in their names, Diego, Carlos, Juan, Kily, Claudio.

Next your crap team was lucky to win. They beat the worst team in the world at penalties and they new it.

I can't wait til 2002 to hear you SOB's crying how unfair penalties are when a team like Germany, France, Brasil, Argentina send you packing home.

VIVA FRANCE.

Infact i hope france takes you guys to shots so that guys like Zidane, Henry, Djorkeff can break your hearts.

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I'm looking forward to seeing Pirlo, Cassano and Totti running circles around the teams you mentioned in the next 10 years.
With Vieri back, and after him Commandini, Ventola and Spinesi you won't be so lucky to face Inzaghi.

Problem is that only one of those guys will play in say the quarter finals of 2002 wc.

Lets say Pirlo. Great player like Vieri.

Now italy will hold 10 back with him upfront. Brasil or lets say for instance Germany will throw all they got. And poor Pirlo will be substituted by, um Ventola at 60min. Then again he will play defense.

Nesta will be fantastic, so will Caravanno.

Now were in extra time.

But this isn't holland. This is Brasil or Germany or France. And gasp... They can all score penalties easily.

In most likelyhood Zidane, Ronaldo, Rilemque etc would have scored a penalty in open play from a clumsy challange by one of your players.

When you make 100 tackles ONE will be bad in the box. And then your finished.

Oh may, GERMANY! Damn it, I really fear them after their brilliant performance this month.
Same will go for France and their 50 year old defenders.
I have spoken my mind about Brazil often enough, good team but overrated. Should have lost to Denmark, Holland in 98 and you know it.
And Vieri and say Pirlo will be enough to score a couple of goals against these pathetic brasilian defenders and their so called goalie. If Brazil qualify, that is...

After talking trash with you, cut this. You simply hate Italy, no point arguing with you. Gladly I hat no team, so I can enjoy any kind of match I see. Try to be a bit positiv man, just think about your nickname and try to be a bit brazilian. SAMBA!

The only thing word that prevail right now is that The Italian reach the Final stage. If u support France or other teams that is your right...but u should have a good mental to accept whether lose or win...

I think France will loose in final stage, coz Viera always playing dumb and emotional (he is the psycho footballer), Zidane and Deshamps could only score for Juventus not for France, Thuram will never betray Cannavaro.... and Del Piero will score hattrick.....


Regards

Icabola


PS. Portugal deserved to Win instead French

The only thing word that prevail right now is that The Italian reach the Final stage. If u support France or other teams that is your right...but u should have a good mental to accept whether lose or win...

I think France will loose in final stage, coz Viera always playing dumb and emotional (he is the psycho footballer), Zidane and Deshamps could only score for Juventus not for France, Thuram will never betray Cannavaro.... and Del Piero will score hattrick.....


Regards

Icabola


PS. Portugal deserved to Win instead French

You only hate Italy because they try and play the same type of football as Brazil.

Players with hard to pronounce names passing back and forth endlessly until some 60 million pound player from Barc/Juve/Inter taps one in and the stands go wild.

Brazil sucks,they cant even beat Uruguay who is less superior than Italy ,imagine if they would face a big team like italy or france,Brazil would get their ass kicked .And yes,most argentinians have a little italian blood,Example,Batistuta,Sensini,Gallardo,Scaloni etc....
2)Your just jealous cause were in the finals .And get a life .Italy has a lot of talent and their defense is sooo strong ,not even rivaldo can go through the wall.
Junhino ,U suck .

As i say i get aggravated by Pablo_Rossi and others comments.

1. It doesnt matter how many offensive Italian prodigies are playing. Countries like Argentina, Brasil, France will have more.

2. France 50 year old defenders?? Ever hear of Domourad, Sivelistre etc?? New Thuram and Desially.

3. If Italy lost on PK's you'd cry how its unfair. But when they win, the defended gloriously!!

4. Unfortunately for you Italy ain't the only team with good young players. Rilemque, Alex, Ronaldinho etc are all future stars with much brighter futures than you can imagine.

5. Answer my question:

With Ventola, Totti, Pirlo, Vieri, do you expect Italy to attack in the knockout phase of WC2002??

OF COURSE NOT!! Lie back let Nesta and Caravanno do all the work and Denilson dribble in the box and wait for a bad tackle, bang PK Ronaldo 1 Italy 0.

Wake up reality.

Oh only a ignorant person believes Brasil would not qualify for 2002. France Armenia, Andorra, Iceland all dirty victories now look at them.

Yeah, I heard of these 2 buggers you mentioned. They both sucked so bad that Inter got rid (or is getting rid) of them after 1 season respectivley.
Sure, I really see them as the next Thuram and Desailly.
How many ****ing times did Domoraud (spelling?) play this year. He played some games, then went on the stands to come back for some minutes in the last games before getting currently shipped.

And this 18 year old kid, Antonio Cassano, will (is) sooooo much better than your sweetheart Denilson, who can dribble like hell but do little else. He is also younger, but I guess I mentioned that already. 1982.

EXCLUSIVE EXCLUSIVE!!!
DINO ZOFF HAS JUST REVEALED THAT HE WON'T FIELD HIS ITALY TEAM TILL JUNINHO CHANGES HIS MIND AND LIKES ITALY AGAIN!
who cares if u don't like italy?
we like them because they're realistic, they play to win..not to entertain necessarily cause its a sport not a circus!!!!!!
cheers

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I love Germany too! =)
I do not know why you do, though, since the Mannschaft was seriously embarrassed at the Euro-Tourney...

However, there is still hope...Ribbeck has left...and I seriously do not wish to see Babbel, Jeremies and Hamann in the future line-ups because they have shown how selfish they are...they do not deserve to wear German uniforms...
Yet, I see good things happening after this tournament for Germany...

HAHA Mannschaft...Was bist du denn fuer einer?

Juninho, I think you hate Italy cuz you know that they would kick Brazil's ass anytime!!!

Woohooo

I only have to say one name:

Roberto Baggio

The grand symbol of Italian accomplishment - Massive Stupidity.

It seems to me that everyone is getting on Brasil's ass because you are the jealous ones. And if you for one minute think that Argentina play well because of Italian background, think again. They grow up in South America, under a totally different climate and environment. They play to win, but to have fun at the same time. No need to be cowardly and sit at the back for 130 minutes.

And isn't it great that it is a South American that has topped the goal-scoring charts in Italy for so many years ? Nuff Said.

TeKNoS

P.S. Here's a few jokes out of my official Italian Joke Book:

Q - What do you call an Italian ghetto ?
A - A SPAGHETTO !!!

Q - What do you call an Italian suppository ?
A - INNUENDO !!!

LoL

the reason why we are on brazil's case is cause junhino think brazil is the best ,well i disagree so i said my opinion .

I should remind you that Argentina might be in South America, but their culture is absolutely "European."
Throughout their history, they have strived to import only Europeans into their country (which is why you barely see Africans, if any, in Argentina)...instead of importing African slaves, they imported Italian servants...
Argentina subscribed to the European belief (at the time) that Europe was the headmaster in the school of culture...to this day, even their South American neighbors find them too Europeanisch...the common stereotype of an Argentine is that of "an Italian who behaves as an Englishmen"...

firstly Brazil is the BEST - the only country in the World to win 4 world cups.. they nearly won five while playing like shadows of thenselves. There is no dispute in history - BRAZIL ARE THE BEST

Uruguay are not inferior to Italy

Italy play too defensive to be Superior - Uruaguay play imaginative beatiful football.

Ciao folks

BTW Edmundo kicked Man U's arse this year ;D

What does 4 world cups have to do with them being the best team today .If Brazil would be that good as u all say ,they would 90 percent of their games and frankly they just keep tying against inferior teams or winning narrow victories against very weak teams like ecuador and Peru .Btw ,defensive football is as attractive as offensive football and yes Italy would beat Uruguay ,not by a big margin ,but easily 1 or 2 nil .Uruguay are not yet at that level .Its a shame that you people take defense for granted ,cause when you look at Italy ,they may not go on offense much ,but u have to watch out the counter attacks(ex;Delvecchio had 3 breakaways that could of ended the game very early ) .It doesnt mean that if they sit back that they wont try to score ,its just that they attack only when they need to know .Btw,If Italy has gone this far ,it is cause of their defensive tactics ,if they would play the attractive football like you like to say ,they wouldnt be here .Remember ,Nice guys finish last .

Btw,France is the best in the world since they r the world champs and are in the euro2000 finals .

Zambrotta, or Pablo Rossi - neither of you answered my question.

First off I said some players like Pirlo I like. Next I said Inter is my favorite team in a seperate thread. I hate Italy because of the way they play. Me a football fan with no Brasilian or Italian blood loves intense attacking soccer and hates to see a team that packs the back win.

You brought up Cassino, Ventola, Vieri Pirlo but failed to answer me.

Do you think all would play (insert team) in WC 2nd stage?? Lets say they face um how about Argentina, fair enough?

Okay OF COURSE 1 keeper 4 defenders 4 defensive mids 1 slight attacking mid and a lone striker.

For the sake of arguement say the striker is Pirlo. Now a team like Argentina with Veron, Rilemque, Lopez, Gonzalez are constantly attacking like the dutch today. Poor Nesta accidently trips one in the 70th minute after 50+ blocks and pinpoint tackles. Bang they score game over. Or say no goal it goes to PK.

Who will win Italy or Argentina??

Italy can beat - England, and the Netherlands in PK's out of the traditional soccer powers thats all.

Do you really think that all your aces will ever play a game together??

Of course not, thats why you refuse to acknowlege these points I make. Italy cant win with a lone striker.

Junhino,first of all ,Italy's defence rarely makes a mistake and when they do ,they find a way to clear the danger and who says anything about Pk,just cause it happened twice ,it doesnt mean it s going to happen again,Italy has never conceided a pk in this tournament before the Italy-Holland matchup .Secondly ,Italy always come strong in the world cup except in european championship .You may not like their tactics ,but they r still winning and isnt that important?

I have nothing personall against them as a naition or a football force. It's there fans I can't stand. They are the most gullable people on the face of the earth. And there club teams, all the stars are non Italian, there brazilian, dutch, mostly french you name it, and then the come to us boasting about there success. Juventus fields 2 italians in there games. Same goes for Inter and Lazio. I must say however I always likes inter for some reasone and even more now that the work horse Georgatos is running there left side.

Of course winning is important but even a dog has the sun shine on its back once in a while.

Admit this first I admit Italy's defense tonight was fantasic. But did they deserve to win, or were they lucky? What if say instead of Van Bronchest, um Dennis Irwin played a pro penalty taker?

Italy lost in 90WC, 94WC, 98WC, 96EC and 92WC.

They have 1 world cup in 60 years!

To play all defense and hope for good luck is like going to a battle field and hoping to not fight and just take bullets waiting for the war to end.

Italy beat Turkey, Belgium and Romaina 3 average - mediocre teams. They fluked out on the dutch.

Kostas I totally agree. These Italian clubs rely on the foreign stars to make them.

IE Zidane, Davids, Schevechenko, Batistuta, Veron etc.

Someone ought to tell the Italian coaches that no matter how good you defend you cant score goals but preventing them. And if you wanna wait for Shootout

Baggio
Serena
Massaro
Baresi
Di Bagio
Albertini
Maldini

Why was it a fluke?Toldo stopped De Boer's shot.What is fluke about that and Kluivert hit the post ,thats no fluke,the dutch did a mistake ,its not fluke .Yes we have won only won world cup in 60 years ,but we reached the finals twice ,finished 3rd once and 4th once and because of the torino tragic airplane crash ,we couldnt recover in the 1950's and 60's .But yet we still have 3 world cups whether you like it or not .Im not saying Italy is the best in the world ,but many of you think that they are a crappy team.Didnt u see how the players gave their bodies up during the Holland-Italy game.Nesta was about to die on the field .They are playing with their hearts right now .But if you ask me who is the best in the world ,it has to be France,unless we beat them in the finals .

Juninhio what is your question exactly, would I expect Italy to make 2nd round of WC in 2002? Of course!!! Look in your WC history book and tell me last 3 World Cups, which stage Italy reached. Expect more of the same in 2002. Also did you happen to notice Italy just won the U-21 Euro last month, so I think the future is pretty bright.

And as far as Uruguay being as good as or better than Italy, they should try to qualify for a world cup first and win a few games once there, then we can talk...

Polish my question is this, Would Italy have won playing against Brasil, Argentina, Germany, France like they did today??

Dont bad mouth germany thats off topic. Well would they??

Yeah I know brasil suck (sarcasm). But well? Okay France Argentina etc play possession full attack football.

Now lets say that Roberto Carlos and Rivaldo down the left and AS Roma's Cafu down the right bang Bang 2 penalties.

Ronaldo who all you Italians cry "ONLY CAN SCORE FROM PENALTIES" puts your team down 2.

Well looks like Pessotto, Nesta, Illuiano, Maldini, Di Bagio, Di Livio, Albertini gotta find a way to get 2 goals. Since Del Piero and Inzaghi get 1 every um, 20 games.

Well now if you play your disgusting "Lets hope for the best football" do you actually think you can beat anyone besides England or Netherlands come 2002?

Oh my, Juninhio, you must be sitting at home and getting all hot over these beautiful "virtual"-matches you make up in your mind, damn it, maybe become a fortune-teller or a soccer-story writer. I only think that nobody really cares.

Of course Italy will not play with the players I mentioned above at the same time, but Pirlo will surely play behind 2 forwards, as he did in the U-21 and will do for Inter. Speaking about Inter: not in a 1000 years they'll sign Denilson, just to remind you.

Problem is that you punk simply did it all what the media tell you, and since there are so many great foreigners the foreign media concentrate all on them.

Bad for you, but good for people who know the likes of the young Italians coming out (4 U21 championships in the last decade).

Please post a fictive match Italy-Brazil 0-5 from now until WC 2002, I'll be glad to read it, just to make the joy even bigger when players like Baronio, Gattuso, Zanetti and others you've possibly never heard of prove you wrong.

You're really a BIG fan of great soccer I've you liked this German squad or the one that won EURO 1996.

Teknos, you're one stupid *******, you're posting is even more incredibly stupid than the ones by your pal assius.

It must surely feel good to diss' a country as a whole... shown yourself a worthy part of the human society dude.

Zambrotta:

I don't post about black players not deserving to play on their national teams. I'm not Assius. I just don't like dirty, cowardly football. That's all.

Before you start pointing fingers out, remember how you undermine Brasilian accomplishment in the areas of cup-winning, and player provision and talent. Let's not forget your previous posting, undermining Germany's 1996 Eurocup championship.

We are all biased at some point. But I have to admit, I did get carried away. Italians are not stupid, and I don't hate them. The posts about Brasil and the behavior of some of you have just made me become angered and lash out against you. I apologize to Italians, but I do not apologize to those of you that have bashed Juninhio continuously this past week.

TeKNoS

"dirty" football. go get a mob and clean it if you please.

Thanks for the thumbs up. It seems that you agree with me on that one. Yeah I guess we both think sticking 10 players into the box and hardly ever venturing out of our side is dirty. Good to know that we are on better terms now Zambrotta.

And a mob ? I don't quite understand what you mean there...

TeKNoS

Now i dont really understand this......

why is everyone paying out italy so muhc????

now i am the first person to admit that i go for every team except for Italy (i dont hate them or anything but i just dont like the way they play) BUT! how can people STILL pay them out, the way they played against Holland??!?!?!?!?

They showed something that brazil do not show very often....
courage and heart

i mean first of all why the hell do people keep saying
"Ohh Italy suck cause they played 10 ppl in the penalty area and didnt play attacking..."

somehow i think most of the game with 10 men, having the whole crowd (well almost) against you, AND playing against one of the best attacking teams in the world Holland, you would be entitled to defend the whole game..
i mean its the way Italy plays and if you dont like it then get over it!!!!!
Delvecchio almost scored on the break for Italy, but for an outstanding save from Van Der Sar. if that went in then the gameplan wouldve gone completely to plan.

and i dont care how much you gone about Brazils attacking qualities there wouldnt be many teams that would be able to break down that Italian defense.....i think the only blemish was the second penalty.

i agree with Zambrotta...although defensive football is the most attractive it is still te most effective....

Italy are an uninspiring futebol team.
Brasil play inspired futebol, artful.

thas my opinion

having both styles is good for the game - and fun to watch wen contrasted .. imagine if italy tried to play like brasil - They dont have the players to do that - so they defend like lions - good on em .. they make the best of wat they got. Dull for the game but helps their results. Brasil certainly have the talent but they lack team cohesion, when they attain that - No team on the planet is in their class.

Beware - if Brasil are in the mood to play http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

How can u say that Italy plays uninspiring football.Didnt yesterday proove you wrong .They played very inspiring football,everyone put their bodies on the line and beleive me ,they were not only tired phisically but psychologicaly ,cause they always try to think whats the opponents next move and Toldo has also inspired the team with the 2 pk.If thats not inspiring then no one plays inspiring football cause what i saw yesterday was the proof that the players wanted to win and gave it their all .

Damn it Zambrotta I'm saying what all know. Pirlo behind 2 forwards in a must win against Brasil?? Thus only 4 at the back max?? Yeah right like italy wants to walk with a gun to their head.

Remember the Italian Defense of 1994?? Baresi Maldini Costacurta Albertini dropping deep?

Plan -- Contain Romario and Bebeto. Result a one sided game where the superior team won.

And another thing about your Italian defense how many goals did they let in in 1994? And Brasil?

Pray they dont get a center back like Nesta cause then they got the best player all over.

Why Uruguay? There are plenty of countries you can use to say they suck, BUT NO!!! You have to chose Uruguay, because I'm the only one that defends them. Well thank you very much. This is a conspiricy against me isn't it? Well mark my words Uruguay is gonna make the World Cup and they'r gonna kick some ass. Now If you don't mind I'm gonna go take a valium...

DAMN, how stupid is this topic? Why are all of you people jealous just cuz Italy reached the final? They couldn't have gotten there accidently! Did anyone say all this **** when the Checz reached the final in 1996?

Junhino,did Brazil score ,no!!! so shut your yap aand we did contain Romario and bebeto from scoring ,unfortunately they lost on pk ,but on open play ,thats why i was proud for italy ,i didnt care about brazil winning it ,I just enjoyed their performance especially that they started the tournament very badly .Second ,in 1982 ,the same thing happened to Italy ,they started slow and became stronger as the tournament progresses .Junhino ,what the hell is your problem with Italy ,why cant you respect them just like the way I respect Brazil history .Yes ,Brazil had great players ,but do i brag saying that they suck or not .When you say that Brazil is the best team in the world ,that I must disagree cause Argentina is the best in South America and France in Europe .Argentina is currently first in the world cup qualifyers .

Ruben Sosa:

Hey man...I think Uruguay is a powerhouse team just waiting to happen. They will easily qualify for the World Cup in 2002. They will advance past the group stage and give somebody all they can handle.

Anyone that disses Uruguay just has not seen them play.

Hey sorry if i bashed Uruguay ,its just that Junhino makes me mad when he says that they are the best when they dont win against teams that are slightly inferior to Brazil .

Hey did Holland score on open play?No ,they could of won on those 2 pk ,but what has holland done in open play ,even the commentators said that Italy has the top defense and Arsenal sucks,their defense aint like Italy's .Tell me ,other than Bergkamps post ,were there actually any big threat ,no ,cause the goalie and defensive restricted them of space ,i would like to see you people go throught the defense .Even Rijkaard said that Italy's defense was just solid .The dutch players said all that .Holland didnt have much chances to score on open play .Toldo had every angle covered whether the dutch striker was coming from the left or right .Why cant you accept the loss instead of complaining .We had more chances to score on open play than Holland .God,your such sore loser .Everyone(the media) all said Italy's defense is very solid and I suggest you to watch the game again .

Woah, can anybody feel the heat in here ??
And can anybody answer me why in the first half, even though they had 11 men for quite some period, did Italy not have attacking chances ? When Zambrotta was still there, how many times did Del Piero or Inzaghi get the ball and cause danger ?
And can anyone look me straight in the monitor and say : " Italy's defence was awesome, they were tops, everything the dutch threw at them they hit for a six ? " And if you can, let me refresh your memory, Zambrotta sent off, two penalties, two shots hitting the post. Now if you say " Italy's defence was good, although they had their fair share of luck, but Nesta, Cannavaro and Toldo are tops " Then that's more like it. Italy ain't god's gift to defensive football. Oh wait, also add " Nesta and Cannavaro reminds a lot of the Arsenal back four who have been throwing their bodies at shots for ages "