Hey All

Adding the old "Render every AI frame" to the cfg h ini is not producing mega-smoothness in FIFA 2005 unlike 2004, 2004 and Euro 2004.

I think its not working at all.

Any ideas anyone?

Any ideas how to tell the devs it isn't working?

Its really cluunky without it, just like all the others.

Was thinking the same thing. There must be a way to fix this.

I'm getting a headache from playing the way it is now :crazyboy:

yes --the game is blurry during passes --it does create a headache- anyone else see this

I've tried it on 3 systems

do you think they will fix it in a patch - I doubt there will be much difference between the demo and the game...

too bad the game is fun to play...

Please can sombey check this? It have to be a way of add this line, i doubt EA removed it, this was reaaly important, my EURO 2004 ran perfect with this and without was like i run FIFA 2005, with a little of slowdowns. I want to run FIFA 2005 with a constanct framerate like in EURO 2004...

What exacly to write ?

has anybody had any luck yet? my eyes hurt.

come on someone must know im fed of this cheap ps 2 port they did and lagging badly

What exacly to write ? :f***:

I don't remember what to write, it was on EURO 2004 forum but someone removed it...

http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?s=&threadid=102217&highlight=render
this is the euro 2004 thread with render every frame i found it i guess try it out on fifa 2k5 see what u guys get

I've tried and i didn't noticed diferences... it's a shame that this command line doesn't work cause solved some frame rate issues, please someone in EA can confirm if this works or not? Thanks.

i tried it on my 5200 fx goes alot smoother for me

Just to report back, I have tried forcing the old magic render line in a number of ways without success.

The games giving me double vision!

But, I have found that by using Broadcast as the camera, the double vision eases a little and things seem a little smoother.

The render line is most def not working though.

Does some helpful EA dev want to tell us how to sort this??

I would REALLY like this magic line to work too!

Ive now mailed EA support and asked about this

I know that more than likley they will ask me to update my drivers or re-install directx (yeah right!!! How dumb do they think we are!!????) but you never know.


Ive also asked about the resolution problem , where selecting 1280 results in 1024.

I will post any reply I get

Cheers

here is what i put in my common.ini file

FEATURE_INGAME_REFEREE_ENABLED=1
FEATURE_INGAME_LINESMEN_ENABLED=1
RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME = 1
RENDER_QUALITY = 2
GAME_SPEED = 0
LIGHTGLOWS_ENABLED = 0
SKY_RENDER = 0

I experimented with RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME = 1

and

RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME = 0

and using "1" in my mind makes the game less blurry during long passes using the broadcast camera and zoom to max. The only downside is that although it is less blurry in quick camera moves, if the camera moves too fast, the game has a "hicup", probably because too much video data is going on quickly. This happens especially in hard fast shots on net from just outside the box.

PS: i did not have a common.ini file ,so i made my own. I know the game is using the common.ini file since, it includes infor to show linesmen and ref, and they show up in the game.


Can some one else try to confim this in their common.ini file?

Well I have had reply from EA!!

They suggest we check our Direct X!!!

Hehehe !

Its funny that we know more about their product than they do.

I have replied, suggesting they forward our question to the Devs.

We shall wait and see!

Grim

I have tried a common.ini as well. It fixes the ref problems but doesn't appear to fix Render_every or force a 1280 resolution.

Hello all,

My name is Kareem and I'm working with/at EA-UK customer/technical software support. Please be aware that I have been looking into this issue for some time now.

Also, we have not had any reports of this problem to us. I do not mean to shift the blame of attempt to fob you off but we have honestly recieved NO REPORTS of this problem to us.

When 'Askywalker' contacted us, this was our first indication of this issue.

Rest assured I am investigating the issue and will post back here by the end of today with my findings on Fifa 2005 and 2004 with this issue.

Regards,

Kareem.

Hello all,

I've been investigating this throughout today and I havnt been able to recreate this issue with a 6800GT 256MB...

Is this problem ONLY with the 6800 GT cards or also with other models/makes of cards?

My setup here is using the official 61.77 drivers from nvidia as well, so if anyone is using beta drivers or a different version, it may be advisable to use these instead.

If I could get some feedback, it would be much appreciated.

Also, the common.ini file that you have created, where have you placed it? I'm just trying to get an idea of what you all are trying so that I can help.

Can someone also post here the contents of their common.ini so I may have a look?

Kareem.

i got gefroce 5200fx on 2600amd 1 gig of ram and when i run the game on high settings and 1024*768 i get hicup(jerky) effects also using nvidia drivers 65.73 and theres other people i spoken to having this problem you really did not port the game well for fifa 2005. Ive also tried 61.77 drivers alot of blinking during the match and cant see the players not very stable drivers a blinking wierd line across the screen btw

Included in my response:

"Also, lastly, according to your forum post we advised you to 'simply' update your DirectX.
This is standard procedure and please also bear in mind that this problem is not been reported to us, so I would appreciate if you could be a little more positive when referring to us. We do try our best. I would also appreciate if you could encourage others to do the same."

That wasnt me.
As you can see, I am deem, not askywalker.
I assume I happened to contact you on the same day.




"I would appreciate if you could be a little more positive when referring to us."

Oh dear, I would actually appreciate it, if you didn't send me emails with comments like this before youv'e actually found out who I am.




I'm sure you can understand how frustrating it is that a company as big as yourselves release games that evidently are not up to scratch.

I've now tested the game myself, on 6 different systems, ranging from mid-range to high-end, and the problem is evident on all.

So, The problem is clearly not 6900gt based, as I included in my initial email, I have tested it on my second system, runnng a radeon sapphire x800pro, and 4 other systems hat include a radeon 9800xt, nvidia 5200ultra and an nvidia 5900ultra.



It's a shame that I had to go out today and spend 55 quid on an upscan converter and 40 quid on a copy of fifa 2005 for the xbox, just so I could enjoy it properly.

I look forward to your response and findings.

Cheers,

deem/steptoe/dan.

P.S if you find this too much of a coincidence, both askywalker and myself have our I.P's logged, I'm sure a moderator will be happy to assure you that we are not the same person.

oh, and another thing, I do kind of agree with him on the direct x point. If you are the sort of person hat edit's config files, then surely you would keep up to date with something as basic as direct x?

cheers.

I have a Radeon 9200 card and I'm experienceing choppy graphics with both Fifa 2004 and 2005. Having contacted EA Tech Support in the past regarding previous incarnations of Fifa I am used to the advice given - so I speak from the point of view of regularly updating my drivers, weeding my hard drive, ensuring I have all the recommended specs etc. The problem I experience is exactly as many are describing - ie ie this blurred jumpy effect whenever the ball is lobbed long distances or high in the air. Think of a momentary earthquake hitting Old Trafford and you'll get the idea. It makes the game hard to watch and the A1 Render thing fixes it. It just does . Fifa 2004 then runs like all of the other computer games I've ever bought - ie with no problems (apart from some slowing down during the cut scenes) and with a clarity that is pleasing to the eye rather than irritating to the soul. I have no idea why this trick doesn't work with Fifa 2005 or why the majority, as is claimed, do not experience this problem. I want to keep faith with Fifa because it's pretty good on the whole and it's got Motty - but PES4 is way cheaper than a vid card upgrade and might be worth a look (no pun intended). I hope the guys from Ea who are monitoring all of this can sort it out.

You EA Fix the laggyness i get on the sub screen please?

Deem, my apologies...
Obviously I got my wires crossed somewhere.... Regardless, there is a lot of negative feedback coming back at me here. I'm trying to help you all. :nape: Yeesh...

We at Electronic Arts do try our best to help people, not because its our job but because we like helping people... YES, WE LIKE HELPING PEOPLE! However, for some reason that has eluded me so far, for all the help we give, we get about twice the abuse back! :|
(Rant over) Now, it would be nice if you could help me to help you. Otherwise I cant do much for you... I spent most of yesterday looking into this issue, testing, researching. I spoke to my colleagues who have not heard of this issue. Again, it doesnt mean its not there, just that no-one is called or contacted us about this previously.

The rest of the day, however, I spent speaking to people who dont even know how to switch a PC on... (Not once regarding this game or problem, btw)

Anyway...

I havnt been able to re-create this problem. Also, I have been using retail copies of the game, not some magical internal bug-free copy.

I have tested this game on a 6800gt, a 5900xt, a 9800se, a GF4-Ti4600 and I have had no luck. I am using official nvidia 61.77 and ATi official Catalist 4.9 drivers on all setups.

It would assist me very much if you all who are affected could do me a favor. Could you upload dxdiag reports of your PCs so that I can have a look to see if there is some common factor here... Also, could you all just try uninstalling the game, deleting the game folder and re-installing... I know it sounds simple but you'll be surprised how much it works... Its obvious that there are quite a few 'altered' installations here so I'd like you all to try just a clean vanilla install of the game to see if it helps anyone.

Also, I ask again...
Can someone please clarify to me some more information about the common.ini file, where you are placing it, and what the contents of it are. I've been messing with my own custom ini files for some time but I'd like to know what you are all putting in yours. Also, it would be helpful if some of you could upload the contents of your common.ini files.

Thanks.

Kareem.

P.S: I'm trying to help you all here with the internal knowledge and resources that I have at my disposal. If I continue to get flamed, I'll stop. I'm sure you would all do the same. Thanks.

Hey

I meant no offence. Im sure the mail I received was an auto standard support reply.

Im surprised that you cannot recreate the problems.

I can confirm that if I choose 1280 in the game settings the match most def starts in 1024.

With rergard to Render_every _ai_frame = 1, and I mean this with no dis-respect, are you certain you know how the effect we are looking for when we say how much it improves improves the games smoothness?

For a clear indication of the improvement it makes, fire up 2003, 2004 or Euro and stick the line in CMN/cfg_h.ini and then compare that to 2005.

Thanks for your continued input. Im not at my game pc at the mo, so can't copy out the common.ini but it includes

VIDEO=0 (Resulting in no more EA Sports, its in the game MOVIE)

AND 2 other lines to force refs and linesmen.

I have added resolution=1280 etc but it doesnt work.

Thats it!

Cheers

Great to hear that someone from EA tries to help us here! Thanx!

This is what I (among other things) put in my locale.ini (also called common.ini) file (which I put in the root of my FIFA 2005 folder):

FEATURE_INGAME_REFEREE_ENABLED=1
FEATURE_INGAME_LINESMEN_ENABLED=1
RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME = 1
NO_MUSIC = 1

People have found a lot of other lines to put in there, but these are the ones I use in FIFA 2005 at the moment. Some of them work; others don't. The line RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME = 1 made the graphics much more fluent in FIFA 2004 (try it yourself - it really makes a big difference), but it doesn't seem to have any effect in FIFA 2005. Unfortunately.
The lines FEATURE_INGAME_REFEREE_ENABLED=1 and FEATURE_INGAME_LINESMEN_ENABLED=1 do work in FIFA 2005 although in my opinion it should not be necessary to add them. Why aren't the referee and linesmen visible by default? Bug?

My specs:
P4 2.26 Ghz 512 RAM GeForceTI4400 128 MB (61.77) DirectX 9.0b.

Regards,

Larsen :-)

Originally posted by plonka2000
Hello all,

My name is Kareem and I'm working with/at EA-UK customer/technical software support. Please be aware that I have been looking into this issue for some time now.


Regards,

Kareem.

Hi Kareem,

I have a different problem than this.

During night games, in some angles, there is exaggerated (i mean a lot! ) reflection of light on players. Their shirts, and everything .. It almost turns into some floodlight. This happens in some angles while the opposite angle would have no problem.

What can I do?

My system is as follows:

AMD ATHLON 64 3200
1GB DDR 400 RAM
ASUS ATI RADEON 9800 XT
16XAF / 6XAA activated.

thanks,

can you keep questions like that to a different thread?

The title of this thread is "render every AI frame"

Thanks.

Please delete or move.

I haven't bought the game yet, and I'm glad I checked this thread out first. If that line doesn't give you the buttery smooth animation the way it has in the past versions, I surley won't buy it either. The DEMO was silky smooth, are you guy's saying the game isn't as smooth as the demo? I didn't have to add the line for the demo...did EA dupe us? Why did we have to add that line every year to make the animation fluid anyway?: f***:

Can confirm that the problem occurs on both a GF TI4600 and GF 6800 GT with the 61.77 drivers and directX 9.0c. I have tried playing the game at the lowest grapical settings as well as changing the refresh rate of the monitor and enabling vertical sync but it makes no difference.

My system as follows:

ABIT NF7-S MoBo
Athlon XP 2800
1GB DDR RAM
Gainward 6800GT GS 256MB@400/1100
Win XP pro SP2

What I got in my common.ini is this:

FEATURE_INGAME_REFEREE_ENABLED=1
FEATURE_INGAME_LINESMEN_ENABLED=1
RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME = 1
VIDEO = 0

And yes, the common.ini should go in the FIFA2005 root folder where FIFA2005.exe is.

oh, and thanks for the time your putting into this Kareem (Y)

For what it's worth, I have a GeForce 4 Ti 4400 and added the line

"VSNYC_MODE = 0" along with the aforementioned lines to the cmn file and I have no stuttering graphics problems at all.
:)

OK, cool, no stuttering, but do you have any 'double vision' at all on the players that don't have the ball when you pass?

Like this:?

or this:

without much scrolling:

obviously, these pics are kak quality, taken with my phone, but it gives the general idea. Although it doesnt look quite as bad as this when its moving it's still wrong.

I've tried everything said in this thread but my players are still running at light speed. Is there any line I can add to solve this issue?

Originally posted by Pony_Wong
I've tried everything said in this thread but my players are still running at light speed. Is there any line I can add to solve this issue?

Can you read? what is the title of this thread? Does the phrase 'off topic' mean anything to you? If you want to ask a question that has no relevence to the thread title, why did you post it here?

The line VSYNC_MODE = 0 does not have any effect for me like RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME = 1 did in the previous versions of FIFA.
(I also have a GeForce TI4400.)

Hope Kareem soon will return with some good news!
askywalker - have you heard from him?

Regards

Larsen

pardon my ignorance but what program are you using to get to these lines.....

if not a program how do I do it...

Originally posted by italy74
pardon my ignorance but what program are you using to get to these lines.....

if not a program how do I do it...

You can edit with notepad.

I am a vetaran fifa fan but now i am bothered with EA
why??????????

Ea sports remove this command????

must it should they was defaulf enable

with this line(RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME) game is more smooth and much better, I use this line in
FIFA 2003
FIFA 2004
EURO 2004

And I do not believe that EA sport make the miracle and remove this command from fifa 2005!!!! why EA???Please make a patch it will add this.

which file is it?

thanks

Originally posted by italy74
which file is it?

thanks

There are 3 Config files in: C:\Program Files\EA SPORTS\FIFA 2005\data\cmn

There isn't someone in the universe who can to enable this command in fifa 2005 ??????

hey gousgounis! i am greek too. where are you from (state)?

i need too this command
:o

ASK EA PLEASE... if they removed this line they are completely morons... :kader:

(I am from kilkis)

Maybe Ea make a step back and remove this command

i will be happy if someone find a way to add this in new fifa.

What to write in locale.ini for computer can't make substitutions ?

Because game crash if i or cpu make subs.

SOmething like CPU_SUBSTITUTIONS = 0, is it right ?

What is happening with the RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME = 1 issue?
Kareem, EA? Askywalker? Any news?

Regards

Larsen

SORRY, can i delet it ?

If no, moderators, please delet it..

render every AI frame means that VGA CARD render all frames that make very smooth the game. maybe there are utilities to make this. anyone to know something?

Ea will probably need to release a patch - they are pretty good at doing that...

Hey Larsen

Still no news....

Whats happening Kareem??

Okay, Askywalker...
Guess we must wait and see, then... Hmmm...

Regards

A patch like this will be great also a patch who add all game pads like fifa 2004.

Hi All,
Apologies for the big delay...
I'm currently looking into the issue still with assistance from my colleagues.

Unfortunately, however, the rest of my work here is piled up something rotten because of it so I will need to take a day out to nerf it before I can get back on track with you guys.
I'm sure you understand.

I am looking into it, and I have had some progress, and I will update, and I havnt forgotten about you guys. :)

Kareem.

Go Kareem!

So be nice guys, Ive got private mail from him, HE IS GENUINE and HE IS TRYING to help us!

So no flames and be Nice :0)




askywalker

thanks Kareem, looking forward

Nice to see that Kareem is hanging on in there...

I try to select slow speed and fifa 2005 run more smooth but he has a bit slow action (H)

Thanks a lot, Kareem! Looking forward to see what you can come up with!

Regards

Larsen :-)

Hi guys,

I've 'flagged' this issue with the good guys at our testing dept and I'm waiting for them to get back to me.

If you could all bear with me a little longer, hopefully I can shed some more light on the matter.

Will come back here when I have some more progress. (I'm on the case)

Kareem.

Ok guys,
I've been in touch with our testing guys and all who are affected by this problem HAVE TO UPLOAD DXDIAGs OF THEIR MACHINES.

***IMPORTANT***
I really cant do go further with them about this if you guys dont gimme something to look at. The more DxDiag information I have, the faster I can work this through.

Thanks guys.
I'll check back here as much as I can.

Kareem.

EDIT: I also need to know exactly which monitor models you guys are using. Its been suggested that it may be some sort of monitor issue, however, I doubt it is. Also, remember we're here to help so no scarrin replies back please. Plain and simple, I need more information about your PCs from you guys. I havnt had anything such as a DxDiag back yet.

Thanks guys. I'll keep checking back here.

Where to upload it ? Or maybe better to send it to your e-mail ?

Originally posted by KB8
Where to upload it ? Or maybe better to send it to your e-mail ?

Yeah, I don't see where we can upload a file here.:( I made a Zip file of my DxDiag but where can I send it?

Originally posted by KB8
Where to upload it ? Or maybe better to send it to your e-mail ?

When you reply here, you can attach files to your posts. I'd rather not give out my email addy (no offense) and there is no incriminating information in a DxDiag report.

Thanks guys.

Originally posted by plonka2000
When you reply here, you can attach files to your posts. I'd rather not give out my email addy (no offense) and there is no incriminating information in a DxDiag report.

Thanks guys.

I only see an option to upload pictures in JPG & GIF format. What am I missing? How do we upload zip files here??

I tried save that text document as .jpg, but 'The uploaded file is not a valid GIF or JPG file. Please ensure that it is and try again.'

Originally posted by steady teddy
I only see an option to upload pictures in JPG & GIF format. What am I missing? How do we upload zip files here??

Just below where you type your post, there is a 'Attach File:' box and a [BROWSE...] button.

Click on browse and browse through to the DxDiag.txt file that you made.

I'm sure you guys know this already but you can make a DxDiag by clicking [START]-[RUN] and typing DxDiag in the box.
Then just click the [Save All Information...] button and voila... a DxDiag!

Hope this helps guys... Just to test, I've updated a test one of mine here... oh hold on... it wont upload... ok heres a new plan...

Rename your DxDiag.txt to DxDiag.jpg to satisfy the forum rules of uploads. I can then download the file and rename it again... :)

I've done the same here to test...

oh bugger... that wont upload either... -SIGH- ok... I'll see if I can get an email addy to send these to...

Kareem - looks like we can't upload our dxdiag txt files here - I've tried it and it doesn't work.

Why Dxdiags and monitors? I think we are talking about a command line that was removed... sorry if this looks too simple but in FIFA 2004 we just needed to put RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME = 1, is this removed? why? do EA thought that all the games would run perfectly?

Originally posted by plonka2000
Just below where you type your post, there is a 'Attach File:' box and a [BROWSE...] button.

Click on browse and browse through to the DxDiag.txt file that you made.

I'm sure you guys know this already but you can make a DxDiag by clicking [START]-[RUN] and typing DxDiag in the box.
Then just click the [Save All Information...] button and voila... a DxDiag!

Hope this helps guys... Just to test, I've updated a test one of mine here... oh hold on... it wont upload... ok heres a new plan...

Rename your DxDiag.txt to DxDiag.jpg to satisfy the forum rules of uploads. I can then download the file and rename it again... :)

I've done the same here to test...

oh bugger... that wont upload either... -SIGH- ok... I'll see if I can get an email addy to send these to...

We can't upload files here. Only images. And when you try to rename a file, you got this message 'The uploaded file is not a valid GIF or JPG file. Please ensure that it is and try again'

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
Why Dxdiags and monitors? I think we are talking about a command line that was removed... sorry if this looks too simple but in FIFA 2004 we just needed to put RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME = 1, is this removed? why? do EA thought that all the games would run perfectly?

I'm sure they're not being patronising, they're just going through the simple stuff before its considered something really serious. I had to do the same. Dont worry guys, they're stars and they have been getting back to me.

I'm basically composing as much info as possible about it so I can forward it through...

I'm trying to get hold of the devs right now to query them too. I'm on the case. I'm also working on re-configuring MY FTP server up so you can all easily upload your dxdiags to there. When it is, play nice cuz its my personal ftp...

We appreciate your hard work Kareem!:)

Ok... the ftp is up.
The addy is [removed]

There is only upload rights (so no-one else will nick your DxDiags except me) and can you please put your name and an underscore ("_") in the name of your DxDiag such as Kareems_DxDiag.txt.

Play nice now...

EDIT: Just to let you all know, this ftp will only be there for about a day, maybe 2 so please do this as soon as you can.
I've tested it and it works, btw...

Done..(H)

Originally posted by KB8
Done..(H)

Yeah I noticed as soon as it was up... :) Thanks.

keep them coming people.
The more information I have, the better.

***IMPORTANT***
I still need information about your monitors. Can you please let me know your monitor model numbers and types.

Thanks.

Kareem.

I uploaded my DxDiag also, since I'm one of the unlucky ones who got this issue. Monitor info is in the DxDiag, it's a NEC 17" LCD 1760NX.

Samsung SyncMaster 755DFX

If i don't make mistake this thread reference

render Every AI Frame a game engine command(for more smooth gameplay) who EA remove from last fifa 2005 there is any progres with that ????

Thanks.

Just uploaded my DXDiag. Hope we can solve this soon, I really want to start playing this game!

My monitor is a Samsung SyncMaster 957DF

Hey

You know, I can't upload my dxdiag. This PC is not my gaming one. Sorry, I can maybe get it uploaded next week

Props to the devs for moving this issue forward.

Im almost certain its not a monitor problem. Ive tested 3 resolutions at 2 bit depths, with v-sync off and with v-sync forced at 60, 72, 75,85 and 100, with no improvement in the double vision! Ive now also tried cfg_h.ini from Uefa and 04 aswell with no joy.

It would be good if as many as possible help.

Cheers

askywalker

Thanks guys.

Last night I forwarded all dxdiags I had recieved to the devs and monitor details as well.

When I have a response from our friendly devs I'll update here with information of any fix. (Y)

Kareem.

thanks all for the time and care on this subject...

as a pc gamer for 10 years I too am pretty certain this is not a monitor, video card, or driver issue - just a sloppy port

thanks again....

my monitor is a syncmaster 763 mb
I've tried all refresh rates
all drivers

I have a GeForce Ti4200 and in previous Fifa games i had to use RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME = 1 to make the game silky smooth.

When playing FIFA 2004 I once upgraded my drivers to 61.77 and the game became either same-old choppy without this line or unbearably, *ridiculously* slow with it.
So I rolled back to 45.33 and all was back to normal.

Fifa 2005 runs pretty well with the 45.33 drivers, and I'm not experiencing any of the double-vision blinking screen. I haven't tried 61.77 yet because I'm afraid that it would ruin Fifa.

I will try this

where i find this detonators drivers??

Originally posted by BigKubaG
I have a GeForce Ti4200 and in previous Fifa games i had to use RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME = 1 to make the game silky smooth.

When playing FIFA 2004 I once upgraded my drivers to 61.77 and the game became either same-old choppy without this line or unbearably, *ridiculously* slow with it.
So I rolled back to 45.33 and all was back to normal.

Fifa 2005 runs pretty well with the 45.33 drivers, and I'm not experiencing any of the double-vision blinking screen. I haven't tried 61.77 yet because I'm afraid that it would ruin Fifa.

This is a fix that is sometimes recommended to customers who have issues running with the latest drivers.
Though we always recommend the 45.23 nVidia drivers not 45.33.

The reasoning is, if you have a graphics card before the GeforceFX and Geforce6xxx range then the new features in the driver (DirectX 9.0, Pixel shaders, OpenGL1.5, etc...) will not be used because your graphics card will not support or use these features in hardware anyway.

Plus... nvidia's older drivers are updated by nvidia anyway to support the latest API so you can go to their site and download the 45.23 version which will support DX9 and work with GeforceFX cards anyway. The main reason to update to latest drivers is to take advantage of bug fixes with games in the latest drivers.

Though, I can confirm that this issue does not affect Fifa2004 or 2005, I would like to see if this helps anyone.

Also bear in mind that ATi drivers are a little different as there is no 'sweet spot' with them that I can find due to the fact that their naming structure makes no sense anyway...

Kareem.

unfortunately this fix doesn't work

i have a gforce ti4600 and rolling back to older drivers doesn't fix the problem...

and yes i agree older cards don't like newer drivers...

No

There isn't any defference

DXDiags and Monitor's have nothing to do with this problem!

Fire up FIFA 2003 and play without the line, then add it.

Originally posted by Iceflow
DXDiags and Monitor's have nothing to do with this problem!

Fire up FIFA 2003 and play without the line, then add it.

Also FIFA 2004,EURO 2004

Thank you all for trying to solve this issue!
Hope that Kareem will soon get back with some good news!

Cheers :-)

Hurry Up Kareem FFS.
God Damn these EA tech ppl are useless

Originally posted by Iceflow
Hurry Up Kareem FFS.
God Damn these EA tech ppl are useless

That's no way to ask for help. I'm sure the guy is doing all he can to help, and it's not his fault that the programmers have been sloppy.

Originally posted by Iceflow
Hurry Up Kareem FFS.
God Damn these EA tech ppl are useless

Iceflow, I suggest you take a chill pill with lots of water.

I'm working this as best I can, however, I am not hassling our guys here. They work hard as do I and when I get a good response from them that will help you all will be the first to know.

You are welcome to discuss the point further but I have not seen any indication of a helpful or constructive post from you here (yet).
You seem to think, also, that sarcasm as wittyness will hurry this along. Please take a page out of the rest of the forum users books and be patient. A little level-respect would go amiss either.

Kareem.

P.S: Espent is correct, thats no way to address someone.
I've not been rude to you or anyone else. I'd appreciate the same curtosy and respect back please. Thanks.

The game shouldnt have been released in this state in the first place. When we pay good money for a game that is choppy and 2nd rate we have a right to be pissed off

You and EA seeem to think that its not important and have still not released a patch or anything.

You say you are not hassling them, WHY NOT FFS????
This should have been resolved long ago, get your'e heads out of your'e overpayed asses.

EA have some of the worst technical support in the industry and some of the most dodgy code as well. (they don't even have a moderated tech support forum) They think they can release a game in any state working or non-working and expect us to pay top dollar, dxdiags and monitor's, lol get serious tell them we want the render every AI frame line back. It shouldnt have been removed in the first place and we shouldnt have had to add it either. When a game is released it should run smooth.

Come on Kareem you work for EA you must be used to far worse abuse than that, lol.

I agree with kareem -

disrespect and sarcasm doesnt really get much accomplished- You can express anger and frustration without being rude...

it sucks that we got a game in this condition - but its not new news- most games I get from ea needs work- (most games for the pc have something wrong with them)

he doesn't own ea - he works for them -

have patience my friend- patches and fixes aren't made overnight

yeah ok, Im sorry.
take your time kareem I know its not your fault.

I am really pissed with EA, all the money the make and year after year theyre sports products are faulty and their tech support is poor.

Originally posted by Iceflow
The game shouldnt have been released in this state in the first place. When we pay good money for a game that is choppy and 2nd rate we have a right to be pissed off

You and EA seeem to think that its not important and have still not released a patch or anything.

You say you are not hassling them, WHY NOT FFS????
This should have been resolved long ago, get your'e heads out of your'e overpayed asses.

EA have some of the worst technical support in the industry and some of the most dodgy code as well. (they don't even have a moderated tech support forum) They think they can release a game in any state working or non-working and expect us to pay top dollar, dxdiags and monitor's, lol get serious tell them we want the render every AI frame line back. It shouldnt have been removed in the first place and we shouldnt have had to add it either. When a game is released it should run smooth.

Come on Kareem you work for EA you must be used to far worse abuse than that, lol.

Originally posted by Iceflow
yeah ok, Im sorry.
take your time kareem I know its not your fault.

I am really pissed with EA, all the money the make and year after year theyre sports products are faulty and their tech support is poor.

To be honest, when I read what you have to say it brings me great sadness. The reason for that is that its glaringly obvious that you've never written or been involved in the writing of software. I have, now I troubleshoot it and hopefully I'll get back into software development again.

I know that when it comes to software, its a jungle out there. It really is. Honestly. Imagine writing a game that uses 3d accleration, and it has to run on the []billions[/B] of hardware configurations out there. Can these all be pre-tested?

And thats just the hardware side, you have to imagine new graphics cards that are being introduced all the time, the extra hassle of drivers and not to mention '3rd party' applications (Basically software that was written by you/me) that will interfere with your prized software.

With all the money that EA may or may not have, I dont think anyone can test that. Just remember 1 thing:
No software ANYWHERE is perfect. None. Nada. Zero.
Software is written by humans, which are imperfect by nature. When someone invents a machine that can write our games for us, I'm sure it will get better. But then that machine was invented by a human so its flawed my nature anyway...

Example of an issue that would also boggle my mind:
Last year, when ChampMan was released (I'm sure you all know this game) it WOULD NOT RUN on dell computers. It just refused. No-one knows why. And to be honest to this day I dont think they figured out why it was happening. Now ChampMan is not released, asscociated or funded by EA so I can only begin to imagine the 'abuse' that the ChampMan guys got for that.

The moral of this story, people, is that no software is perfect because its designed and manufactured by imperfect beings.
Flawed applications that run in a flawed operating system that runs on flawed hardware and operated by flawed beings.

Now I'm not getting all philosophical here but this really makes me wonder why people think abuse and harsh language will get things done. I'm sure if we were machines, you would be 'erased' for that (No offense intended but think about it...).

Now as I said before, I have never heard of this issue until now.
I'd honestly say that is because no-one has reported it to us. If they had, I'm sure someone else at EA would have been doing what I'm doing now. It also means that I would have heard about it and when I got word from you guys I would have been able to say "Oh yeah! Just do xyz and it'll work. Sorry for the inconvenience."

I'm working on the problem, testing with my excellent colleagues, querying the higher testing dept AND the the developers about it.
I wont hear any word back until monday anyway, and please bear in mind that fifa is written in Canada... That might give you a little scope to what communication I'm dealing with...

Now back to real life...
Its 11.30, its sunday morning... I've just rolled out of bed, I think I might have the flu and now I have a headache for thinking that much this early... Plus mom is coming over later... (:/)-sigh-

I'm going back to bed.

Kareem.

EDIT:
P.S: I'm not overpaid.

there is no excuse for such poor tech support.
where is the official Moderated EA FIFA technical support forums?
All of the other less paid distributers can manage it, ATARI, Activision ect....

Tell me why all of a sudden has the command line which worked flawlessly in all other versions suddenly been ditched?

It is a simple matter of them keeping it for FIFA 2005 and not the rocket science you make it out to be.

Come on what has drastically changed since Euro 2004?
theres only been a couple of minor driver updates.

I bet the command line still works fine with the 4.10's and DX9.0c on FIFA 2003/04, EURO 2004!

http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?threadid=112536

Thanks for trying to kelp Kareem.

Just one thing are you still trying to sort out the 1280x1024x32 problem that askywalker also asked about in his email?

Thanks agian for trying to help m8!

Kareem - keep going!

:-)

Originally posted by Iceflow
DXDiags and Monitor's have nothing to do with this problem!

Fire up FIFA 2003 and play without the line, then add it.


I agree, what it boils down to is sloppy coding and poor bugtesting. EA games should have no excuses.

I'm a programmer, i know many things and for god's sake, it's not that hard to see if render_every_ai_frame still works, it could have another name, it was a command that we could enable so it must be some kind of function... please stop with all this discussion and ask to EA programmers what's up with this kind of function, like i said they don't have a reason to remove this function, maybe it's renamed...

i agree, the man from ea has not asked the right question of his colleages
"is render every ai frame still in the game or not?"

they had no reason to not include direct ip option for euro2004 but they did !

Hello, I have a Gainward Geforce 6800 GT and are experiencing the same problems with FIFA 2005. I was just wondering if anyone has resolved the situation yet with either discovering the command line or has a patch been released?

Regards

Patrick Hall

Originally posted by Vazza46
Hello, I have a Gainward Geforce 6800 GT and are experiencing the same problems with FIFA 2005. I was just wondering if anyone has resolved the situation yet with either discovering the command line or has a patch been released?

Regards

Patrick Hall

****, with this MACHINE you have issues? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
****, with this MACHINE you have issues? :rolleyes:

Shows its nothing to do with the machines but something to do with the game. :kader:

Kareem i think all you need to ask your colleagues are: Is the "render every AI frame" still available in Fifa 2005. That line allows the game to run smoother and not stutter when we pass the ball around. If the line is still available, how dowe go about enabling it?

I think EA should also release a patch to solve the issues on ATI cards and Centrino processors...

I tried editing the common.ini again but to no avail still stutters when you pass the ball and alil blurry. Man gives me headaches.

This is whats in my common.ini:

FEATURE_INGAME_REFEREE_ENABLED=1
FEATURE_INGAME_LINESMEN_ENABLED=1
DO_CPU_SUB = 1
CPU_SUB = 1
RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME = 1
VSNYC_MODE = 0

Originally posted by silent_espy
I tried editing the common.ini again but to no avail still stutters when you pass the ball and alil blurry. Man gives me headaches.

This is whats in my common.ini:

FEATURE_INGAME_REFEREE_ENABLED=1
FEATURE_INGAME_LINESMEN_ENABLED=1
DO_CPU_SUB = 1
CPU_SUB = 1
RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME = 1
VSNYC_MODE = 0


I agree,the Blurry double vision effect is really bad on the eyes:rolleyes:

EA is it that difficult to solve this problem? What did you guys made to RENDER EVERY AI FRAME? :kader:

It shouldn't be that hard to create a patch, i just wish they could do it as soon as possible i wanna play fifa without gettin a headache. They should do it quick because this is involving health issues.

Maybe there wont be a patch?:(

Originally posted by silent_espy
Maybe there wont be a patch?:(

You could be right,dude !

EA are well known for the lack of support for the FIFA series.

It's a shame about this line being unusable this time round.

I've experimented with all sorts of resolution and vid settings for my Radeon 9200 including running the game at 800 x 600 on Low detail and with the card cranked up to Max Performance with no additional twiddles like Vsynch - and this juddery effect on long balls and lobs is still present. This leads me to conclude that purchasing a Radeon 9800 isn't going to help much, particularly as I can't be sure that I won't fall foul of the unusable 1280 resolution problem. (The guys from Fifa Web Portal brought out a brilliant resolution patch last year that solved this problem with my old 7500 card - it basically got the prog to run resolutions that had previously been barred).

To fully check out the situation, I've just got hold of an old copy of PES3 on EBay and I have to say that although the gamepad config is a nightmare and the overall look of the graphics not as good as Fifa, the rendering is superbly crisp and it's as good as Fifa 98 or 99 was with the old Rage Pro patch. Ditto Fifa 2004 with the render every frame line.

It absolutely transforms the look of the game and inputting it into the relevant file on 2004 was like upgrading my vid card.

My guess is that whereas before, EA might not have been too concerned with getting a patch out quickly, the whole business of PES4 breathing down their neck might be a good incentive. After all PES4 will require a higher spec vid card - something like a 9600. If EA can get mega smoothness for a 9200 or 9000, they'll be on to a winner. This year's early release of Fifa indicates that they're already taking note of PES4 so I'm still hopeful.

There is still hope in finding a fix, maybe that the early release was there primary idea in that to find all the errors in time to fix them before PES4. I just hope that they fix the error very soon and don't ignore the minority of people that are discovering this problem.

Every person counts in the advertising of FIFA 2005. Word of mouth is the most powerful source for advertising, and if people start to doubt EA and FIFA, the word will travel fast.

Come on EA were counting on YOU!

Originally posted by Vazza46
There is still hope in finding a fix, maybe that the early release was there primary idea in that to find all the errors in time to fix them before PES4. I just hope that they fix the error very soon and don't ignore the minority of people that are discovering this problem.

Every person counts in the advertising of FIFA 2005. Word of mouth is the most powerful source for advertising, and if people start to doubt EA and FIFA, the word will travel fast.

Come on EA were counting on YOU!

Well wheres kareem hes the only one from EA that gives a hoot abt our problem, the rest are prob on hol in the canary islands. :kader:

I got serious problems with my Fifa 2005. When I downloaded the demo everything worked great and I had a great time. But then I bought Fifa 2005, started playing it, and I started having this slow motion problem in the game. Every 5-7 secs the game goes into slow motion for about 4 secs. Its extremely annoying. I have a good machine too. 3.2 ghz processor, 512 MB DDR Ram, GeForce FX Go5200 64 MB graphics card. I have no spyware on my computer. I have about 20 GB of hard drive space left. I've tried reinstalling the game. I updated drivers, reinstalled DirectX all to no avail. I've tried going with 16 colors, lower resolution, lower detail, and I still have the same problem.

I even tried putting the game on high priority in the proccesses section in Windows Task Manager. Then I tried the Render Every Frame line. I also tried deleting the other config files. Nothing has worked so far. Its obvious to me that its the game and not my machine. All my other games work flawlessly. I plan on returning the game if EA doesn't do something soon.

I still got a blinking screen when I play the game...
geforce 2 mx 400 64ram
p4 2.0ghz
512ram ddr pc2700 (333mhz)
I also tried the common.ini with render every...
didn't help.

But...
I found a solution when I see the blinking problem I just use Alt + Tab to return to windows then another Alt + Tab for returning to game and “walla” problem fixed.
Of course every time blinking problem happened I need to repeat this action but it’s no a big deal.

Just when i'm playing via Dierct IP and using Alt + Tab, it's disconnect me from the game!!!

Yes the demo is very smooth and it isnt blurry but the full version is very blurry and stutters when the ball is passed around. :kader: EA better rectify the problem or their sales is gonna suffer for the next fifa release.

In order for us to be noticed, we ALL need to contact EA by any means. That means by phone or by e-mail to get noticed. The more they recieve this problem the more they'll sit back and begin to realise this problem is serious. Not only can it be poor support by EA meaning upset customers, but...this problem causes eye strain and headaches making this an important health issue. This needs to be retified asap so we need to work as a team and make ourselves heard. Kareem already knows the situation but one man cannot do it on his own, we need more EA techical support technicians to be working on the problem for a quick resolution. Come on guys we need to basically irritate EA in order to be noticed.

EA SPORTS WE NEED YOU PLEASE HELP US!!!

Someone could write these on EA official forums...

Kareem was supposed to help us but now he disappeared. Darn im not touching that game until we get an answer cos its making me dizzy.

yes we had a similar problem with mvp 2004 for the pc

with lots of complaining - emails mainly -

they released a patch 2 months later to fix it....

I will send them an email tommorow

Originally posted by italy74
yes we had a similar problem with mvp 2004 for the pc

with lots of complaining - emails mainly -

they released a patch 2 months later to fix it....

I will send them an email tommorow

and it was fixed with the patch?

yes it was fixed...

only because of the complaints

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
Someone could write these on EA official forums...


EA official forums?
you mean this poor excuse for a message board?
http://easports.boards.ea.com/messages?13@130.lwYVaEptg2b.2@.ef47bee

Maybe there are some files in the demo that were omitted in the full version?

Originally posted by silent_espy
Maybe there are some files in the demo that were omitted in the full version?

Yeah, maybe it's that :hump:

So who has found out what file or lines are missing in the full version pls post here. Thanx alot

Ive tried comparing the demo with the full version i dun see much difference in the files and lines. Damn EA they always make 2 steps back when they had made a step forward wheres the render every ai function EA?

Has anyone heard anything from EA yet or figured the command line out? God this is taking ages i've been a reliable FIFA fan for many years, if this is the way there gonna treat us i'll consider switching to the dark side (Pro Evo).


ANY WIZKIDS FIGURED IT OUT YET!???

yep, EA have lost me.
Ive put my copy of FIFA 2005 on ebay and reinstalled pro evo 3

I downloaded the demo and i descovered some configuration files which could be of some use to someone.

Check these pics out, these are the command lines contained in the 'high specification' config file. AKA cfg_pc_h.ini

Can someone insert these into there FIFA 2005 full game and see if they make a difference.

part 2 of the config file

any of these command lines could make a difference

Ive checked it and its the same the pc_h_ini is in the full version the lines and values are similar.

My game run with small jumps and blurred graphics during the passes and long shots...the same problem that happen in 2003 and 2004...But in the fifa 2005 the magic line called "rendery every..." does not work...
Ea sports, is unable to resolve our problem, your technical support is useless
Kareem seem our salvation but he has disappeared...
My Fifa 2005 will return to the limbo and I´m waiting PES 4.
The last Fifa that I will buy

P-IV
Radeon 9600 pro
512 MB
Sis 645
Directx 9.0c
Catalyst 4.10

Originally posted by ber
My game run with small jumps and blurred graphics during the passes and long shots...the same problem that happen in 2003 and 2004...But in the fifa 2005 the magic line called "rendery every..." does not work...
Ea sports, is unable to resolve our problem, your technical support is useless
Kareem seem our salvation but he has disappeared...
My Fifa 2005 will return to the limbo and I´m waiting PES 4.
The last Fifa that I will buy

P-IV
Radeon 9600 pro
512 MB
Sis 645
Directx 9.0c
Catalyst 4.10

Definitely my last too

E-Mail EA...

I'm still stuck with this choppiness thing and still unable to fly at 1280.

One thing I have noticed is that in addition to the choppiness on long balls and goalie kicks, when the halfway line is visible, it splits and judders in several places. I've tried to get a screenie but no joy so far. Any of you other chopsters had this? Has there been any sniff of a patch yet?

Nope no luck so far mate were patches are conserned. But the longer EA ignore us the more annoyed we get and we'll just play Pro Evo instead and then tell them why once there sales have dramatically decreased.

Definitly the last Fifa for me too. I already returned the game. I'm gonna go with the Winning Eleven series from now on.

Winning eleven for me too anyway i think PES would be out earlier than WE

Hi People,

Sorry for my absence. I've been ill with a virus... I wont go into any more than that. I'm sorry to leave you guys hanging like that though. Really.

Anyway, I'm back now and thankfully, our fifa devs, the compatibility team and the whole dev studio have been working on this while I've been away.

They do need some more info from your guys though, namely actual screenshots of an affected person.

I mean can someone go into the game, press [PRINT SCRN], paste it into Paint and post iot here. The more I can get the better.

Kareem.

What have print screens to do with fps problems? Btw i have some graphical issues... some point start appearing in the menues or in the kits, i'll post a screen later. I have a GeForce 4 488 Go 64 MB.

If you are having FPS problems, not to be rude, but its not intended for this thread. THe problem you are having is due to your mobile centrino processor which changes speed dynamically.
This causes havoc with games and cannot be fixed because its a proprietry technology and would take too long to reverse-engineer. Your issue needs to be directed at Intel/AMD. In any case there isnt a game developer/publisher out there who supports games on laptops.

For people affected by blurring/flickering, I have been requested to get scrren grabs from any/all affected users.
Again, I apologise for the dissapearance, but I am back now.

Kareem. :)

Originally posted by plonka2000
If you are having FPS problems, not to be rude, but its not intended for this thread. THe problem you are having is due to your mobile centrino processor which changes speed dynamically.
This causes havoc with games and cannot be fixed because its a proprietry technology and would take too long to reverse-engineer. Your issue needs to be directed at Intel/AMD. In any case there isnt a game developer/publisher out there who supports games on laptops.

For people affected by blurring/flickering, I have been requested to get scrren grabs from any/all affected users.
Again, I apologise for the dissapearance, but I am back now.

Kareem. :)

1rst Point : I have a P4 3,06 HT and not a Centrino
2nd Point: I have the problem of blurring/flickering that causes FPS problems...
3rd Point: The laptop support is a lie cause i played perfectly EURO 2004 with the render every AI Frame, i'm complaining about the blurring/flickering, the ghrapical issues are other question maybe concerned with Pixel Shader...

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
1rst Point : I have a P4 3,06 HT and not a Centrino
2nd Point: I have the problem of blurring/flickering that causes FPS problems...
3rd Point: The laptop support is a lie cause i played perfectly EURO 2004 with the render every AI Frame, i'm complaining about the blurring/flickering, the ghrapical issues are other question maybe concerned with Pixel Shader...

Look, I dont want to argue about this, however, you clearly stated that you have a Geforce 4 Go video card.
These cards are only available in laptops. If you do not have such a card or a laptop, please do not mislead.

Also, if Euro runs fine on your laptop, thats great. It really is. However, its still not supported.

If you do, please follow my previous advice.

As I stated before, I do not wish to argue about this (Or with anyone else). I am here to help, but your issue is one that does not seem to be the same as others.

If you have a non-laptop that is experiencing this problem, PLEASE post a screen grab here.

Trust me, I'm not being akward but it sounds like something totally separate problem.

Also (Lastly), I dont need this agrivation. I dont mean to go into a rant here but I have noticed over time that there are 2 kinds of people on message boards and forums.

1) Those who are helpful, direct and honest.
2)Those who are sarcastic, snappy, 'flamers', agressive in their language and downwright rude.

This is not to say that those in the second category dont have good points or are not intelligent, however, how you put something across to someone can help a great deal. And also less abuse and snappiness is not appreciated.

Have a think about it. I have read back through your previous posts in this thread and I honestly havnt been able to find a non-sarcastic or generally positive or constructive post.

As you have ALL gathered, this is something I dont appreciate. Especially since I'm trying to help where I dont have to. I also stated previously and repeatedly, that I will cease to post here if this continues.

Please refrain.

Kareem.

Hi Kareem, Glad to see your back and your well again thats the main thing. I tried to get some screenshots for you however was unsuccessful, some reason the screenshots do not show the blur when the picture is taken.

Basically its just the frame rate problem. Whenever the players or ball is in motion. Such as passing, running etc. I have tried various things to cure the problem but i have heard that this problem has occured in the last years version and Euro 2004. However people are wondering if maybe the command line name has changed for some reason this year?

I have the most up to date drivers and directX. I have tried the game on all settings and resolutions.

Here are my specs:

GC: nVidia Geforce 6800 GT
ram: Kingston HyperX 1GB 400mhz
hdd: Western Digital 160 GB
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3500+
Motherboard: ASUS A8V Deluxe

Kareem, you may have missed it, but forum member deem posted pics of the problem (taken by digicam) on page 3 of this thread:

http://www.soccergaming.tv/attachment.php?postid=1515320

http://www.soccergaming.tv/attachment.php?postid=1515320

This pic illustrates the problem perfectly. The faster the scroll the more blur you get (fast long balls etc.) It looks like a double picture, the new position is rendered but the old one is still on screen. But it more than just that. Even during slow play or minimal movement the game still looks choppy.

It appears on my system which is P4 NWood 3.0GHz HT, dual ddr400 (2x512 mb), 875P chipset, Ti4200 graphics card, latest directX and nvidia drivers installed.

Originally posted by Vazza46
Hi Kareem, Glad to see your back and your well again thats the main thing. I tried to get some screenshots for you however was unsuccessful, some reason the screenshots do not show the blur when the picture is taken.

Basically its just the frame rate problem. Whenever the players or ball is in motion. Such as passing, running etc. I have tried various things to cure the problem but i have heard that this problem has occured in the last years version and Euro 2004. However people are wondering if maybe the command line name has changed for some reason this year?

I have the most up to date drivers and directX. I have tried the game on all settings and resolutions.

Here are my specs:

GC: nVidia Geforce 6800 GT
ram: Kingston HyperX 1GB 400mhz
hdd: Western Digital 160 GB
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3500+
Motherboard: ASUS A8V Deluxe

I was afraid this would be the case.
Have anyone else tried what was suggested the post I saw by someone on here (Sorry cant remember the name).

Namely, to alt-tab out of the game and switch back to it...? I'd just like to see if this works in any way, because I suspect it may be a sync issue in some way. As far as I can tell, this does not solve the problem as it re-occurs soon after if I remember correctly.

If as many of you all could try this so that I can get some more evidence to put forward please. Also, if you all could also try to take screenshots to see if the burring will show up in any screenshots.
Please submit them here anyway.

I need to make a fair case to the devs as they need to know exactly what they're looking for.

Thanks people.

Kareem.

Originally posted by JumboJet
Kareem, you may have missed it, but forum member deem posted pics of the problem (taken by digicam) on page 3 of this thread:

http://www.soccergaming.tv/attachment.php?postid=1515320

http://www.soccergaming.tv/attachment.php?postid=1515320

This pic illustrates the problem perfectly. The faster the scroll the more blur you get (fast long balls etc.) It looks like a double picture, the new position is rendered but the old one is still on screen. But it more than just that. Even during slow play or minimal movement the game still looks choppy.

It appears on my system which is P4 NWood 3.0GHz HT, dual ddr400 (2x512 mb), 875P chipset, Ti4200 graphics card, latest directX and nvidia drivers installed.

Hi and thanks but I already have the pictures and so do the devs from me.

However, they are asking for actual screen grabs so here I am asking for them. ;)

Kareem.

i have the same problem too.
kareem , i understand your frustration at people directing all there displesure with EA at you. i do simpathise.
BUT...
i have asked you already in a very polite manner to answer 1 simple question......

is the render line still in the game or not?


i dont have a digi cam and print screen does not display the problem. therfore i cannot help with picks of this problem.

amd athlon 3200xp
gigabyte GA 7400-L
2 x 256mb of kingston dual chanel ram
nvidia FX5900XT
2 x seagate 40gig ata 133 HD's
20 inch sun microsystems monitor
all drivers upto date including board bios.
:rolleyes:
thanks for trying to help !

Originally posted by Brian Potter
i have the same problem too.
kareem , i understand your frustration at people directing all there displesure with EA at you. i do simpathise.
BUT...
i have asked you already in a very polite manner to answer 1 simple question......

is the render line still in the game or not?


i dont have a digi cam and print screen does not display the problem. therfore i cannot help with picks of this problem.

amd athlon 3200xp
gigabyte GA 7400-L
2 x 256mb of kingston dual chanel ram
nvidia FX5900XT
2 x seagate 40gig ata 133 HD's
20 inch sun microsystems monitor
all drivers upto date including board bios.
:rolleyes:
thanks for trying to help ! :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Plonka2000
Please submit them here anyway.

I have asked the devs regarding if the command is still there and they have not got back at me yet with a definite answer. Its not for me to assume if its a yes or no either.

However, they have assured me that they are looking into it.

As soon as I have some sort of solution, I will let you guys know for sure.

Kareem.

Cheers Kareem, We all appreciate your help. As long as we know its being delt with thats ok. I'd rather no its being worked on than nothing at all.

Hope to hear from you soon!

Patrick Hall

Kareem are you kidding with me? My problem is exactly the same as the others, i have a laptop but it has nothing to do with that. THE PROBLEM IS AND I REPEAT, WHERE'S RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME LINE COMMAND? This line made the game ran smooth as silk, this is THE PROBLEM, the game is not smooth... how many posts i'll have to do with this so you and EA guys understand? The game with that command line became smooth, it happened in EURO 2004, why EA removed it? :kader:

hi kareem,my pc is P4 3.2 with GEFORCE 6800 GT, 2MB memory
and i have the same problem, the game is not smooth,flickering,and blurring and no 1280X1024 resolution with the latest drivers of course
thanks for your help ,ive played fifa series since fifa 98 and it's the first time i see that problem
please help us thxs

Originally posted by titibou
hi kareem,my pc is P4 3.2 with GEFORCE 6800 GT, 2MB memory
and i have the same problem, the game is not smooth,flickering,and blurring and no 1280X1024 resolution with the latest drivers of course
thanks for your help ,ive played fifa series since fifa 98 and it's the first time i see that problem
please help us thxs

Kareem take this as example... a SUPER MACHINE and the game isn't smooth, now you can start to see what's happening and what we are complaining about. BRING RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME back...

I hope I've not sounded sarcastic or negatively critical - having realised that a barrage of EA SUCKS posts will produce only a vacuum of Kareem, my aim is to be as helpful as poss.

I've posted my Direct X report but like a lot of other people, I'm having trouble finding a screen grab. Hypersnap doesn't pick the problem up so I'm drawing a blank on this one...,.

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
Kareem are you kidding with me? My problem is exactly the same as the others, i have a laptop but it has nothing to do with that. THE PROBLEM IS AND I REPEAT, WHERE'S RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME LINE COMMAND? This line made the game ran smooth as silk, this is THE PROBLEM, the game is not smooth... how many posts i'll have to do with this so you and EA guys understand? The game with that command line became smooth, it happened in EURO 2004, why EA removed it?

If your problem is the same, please submit a screenshot. I have told you this before and advised people to submit screenshots ANYWAY, even if it seems like a normal shot.

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
Kareem take this as example... a SUPER MACHINE and the game isn't smooth, now you can start to see what's happening and what we are complaining about. BRING RENDER_EVERY_AI_FRAME back...

Please do not suggest that I am ignorant or do not know the problem that is evident here. I do see what is happening here, thanks.

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I'll clarify this 1 more time.
For this to go forward, I need screenshots from you ALL. The more the better, essentially. I cannot go back to our devs here and just say the screenshots dont show the problem without having a single screen to show that. I need screens taken while the problem was occuring, and even if it seems like the screens do not show the problem, there may be something there that does.

No-one is still submitted a single screen grab, even though everyone says they have them... CVS even stated he/she is using Hypersnap...

Can you all please submit your screenshots.

Thanks.

Kareem.

here the shots you requested kareem, i took them with fraps,
hope they help!

hrmm how can i send them u kareem ? it wont let me attach them to my post.

Here goes with a screenie.

It's taken at 1024 med res with my Radeon 9200 set at middle of the range settings. I've had to cut it down in size to upload it.

Doesn't show up what's happening but I hope it helps...

sussed it now had to compress with photoshop.

Hi Guys.

As this threads starter Ive been sitting back and letting the conversation roll!

Kareem,

Im glad to hear you a feeling better an have returned to help.

I dont think it is possible to capture the problem in a screen shot. A screenshot is after all a capture of a single frame.

The pictures on page 3 of this thread show the problem perfectly!

You know, I still the easiest way for the devs to understand what we are trying to fix here would be for them to install either FIFA2004 or EURO 2004 (Come on they must have a copy!!!) play it once to experience the choppiness and then to add the immortal RENDER_EVERY line to the high cfg file in DATA/CMN and then to play again and experience the sweet smoothness it results in!

Things I have tried so far that have failed.

1) Forced refresh rates at 60, 70, 72, 75, and 85.

2) 5 Different Forceware sets

3) Limiting render ahead in forceware

4) V sync on and off

5) Alt tabbing doesnt fix it like it does in Pro Evo 3. (Really it does!)

6) Changing the priority at which fifa2005.exe runs.

7) Banging my head against the keyboard. 123rr 1rjklqwefh jkorhuio

Originally posted by askywalker
Hi Guys.

As this threads starter Ive been sitting back and letting the conversation roll!

Kareem,

Im glad to hear you a feeling better an have returned to help.

I dont think it is possible to capture the problem in a screen shot. A screenshot is after all a capture of a single frame.

The pictures on page 3 of this thread show the problem perfectly!

You know, I still the easiest way for the devs to understand what we are trying to fix here would be for them to install either FIFA2004 or EURO 2004 (Come on they must have a copy!!!) play it once to experience the choppiness and then to add the immortal RENDER_EVERY line to the high cfg file in DATA/CMN and then to play again and experience the sweet smoothness it results in!

Things I have tried so far that have failed.

1) Forced refresh rates at 60, 70, 72, 75, and 85.

2) 5 Different Forceware sets

3) Limiting render ahead in forceware

4) V sync on and off

5) Alt tabbing doesnt fix it like it does in Pro Evo 3. (Really it does!)

6) Changing the priority at which fifa2005.exe runs.

7) Banging my head against the keyboard. 123rr 1rjklqwefh jkorhuio

This is what i'm trying to say in all this pages but Kareem asks for Dxdiag, screenshots... come on, it's that difficult to search for a command in a code?

Be thankful we are actually getting help from Kareem. If it wasnt for him we'd be stuck in the ****. but no he decided to help us. So i don't care what he asks for as long as it helps him discover the problem. I understand it is frustrating and taking a long process, but he's trying his best.

Keep the good work up Kareem some of us are behind u!

I agree with you Vazza46!

Im not flaming him, and I am thankful someone is trying to sort it. Im just listing some of the stuff Ive tried.

Chill everyone please!

Screenshot:

I still don't understand how a regular screen can show any problem... :confused:

Originally posted by [mouta-FCP]
I still don't understand how a regular screen can show any problem... :confused:

me too:kader:

the problem is in frames men!

Originally posted by Vazza46
Be thankful we are actually getting help from Kareem. If it wasnt for him we'd be stuck in the ****. but no he decided to help us. So i don't care what he asks for as long as it helps him discover the problem. I understand it is frustrating and taking a long process, but he's trying his best.

Keep the good work up Kareem some of us are behind u!






:o EA FANBOY ALERT !!!!!!! :o

when will guys like you learn ? EA don`t care if it`s buggy or not, as long as it sells by the SH*T load.

Not to offend anyone but if the problem isnt fixed by now, i dont think it will be.

I am running AMD XP 3000+ @ 2.2ghz, 512mb ram and an old 9600 SE Game Buster 128mb (that i borrowed off a friend) and the game works flawlessly for me. No blurriness or jumping. The only time it jumps is when emule runs in the background but thats always a memory hog.


The only problem with it is repetitive gameplay;)

Originally posted by Phoenix
Not to offend anyone but if the problem isnt fixed by now, i dont think it will be.


That`s a very good point, IF EA doesn`t think it`s broken, then they won`t fix it.

i will say it again
forget image Quallity and fresh rate. the problem is in frames!!

EA:kader:

Has anyone heard anything from EA or Kareem in the past couple of days then?

seems EA dont think our problem is worth the time to keep us informed with their progress on this problem.
why is it down to kareem?
are all the devs incapable of reading or posting on forums??
you would think a possable health issue with the game they have produced would warrent fast action. :rolleyes:

they are trying to slowly loose all their customers because they know pro evolution soccer will eventually take over.

i hate PES:kader:

Originally posted by ozzyosb
i hate PES:kader:


Dude !

You have shattered my beliefs that Intelligent life is possible on other planets.

:rolleyes: Anyways it seems everyone doesn't care anymore on this issue or just threw their FIFA copy out the window.

Hey Guys any one found a solution for this problem
Hey Kareem Where're u ...?

Originally posted by madmero
Hey Guys any one found a solution for this problem
Hey Kareem Where're u ...?


Yeah,
Uninstall and play PES3

hey. i have my opinion
so I HATE THE PES 3
i tryied the demo of pes 4 and i hate this too
so if you don't like fifa 2005 why are you in this thread?

go to www.guru3d.com and download nvidia driver 67.20 this is the best fifa 2005 driver in my opinon fixes all glitches etc.. from the game

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=915 <--- heres a direct link for all u lazy people

thanks i will try it

PES3 may not be as polished as FIFA,but at least it doesn`t cause eyestrain :(

i agree(H)

Originally posted by LucaToni
go to www.guru3d.com and download nvidia driver 67.20 this is the best fifa 2005 driver in my opinon fixes all glitches etc.. from the game

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=915 <--- heres a direct link for all u lazy people

erm nah those drivers suck! they fix nothing and cause other problems too.
tried with FX5900Xt

ill give this problem another week to be resolved, if no response then i will start to write complaints to the health authority.

Hi People,

Apologies for my absence (yet again).
I've been knocking back and forth with our friendly devs here and they're still looking into it.

I havnt posted because I havnt had anything good bad to say. I did also say before I'd post back when I had some news. Apologies.

Anyway, unfortunately, I have no hard fast fix just yet but we're working on it and I'll try as best I can to check back here more often in future. I've been piled under a mountain of work so apologies.

Kareem.

Originally posted by plonka2000
Hi People,

Apologies for my absence (yet again).
I've been knocking back and forth with our friendly devs here and they're still looking into it.

I havnt posted because I havnt had anything good bad to say. I did also say before I'd post back when I had some news. Apologies.

Anyway, unfortunately, I have no hard fast fix just yet but we're working on it and I'll try as best I can to check back here more often in future. I've been piled under a mountain of work so apologies.

Kareem.


I expected a better excuse than that lame effort. EA are churning out more games than any other company,yet they still have no idea how to fix a few bugs. :f***:

Maybe they should start by firing the game testers.

Roger That!
:fluffy:

Originally posted by charliehamster
I expected a better excuse than that lame effort. EA are churning out more games than any other company,yet they still have no idea how to fix a few bugs. :f***:

Maybe they should start by firing the game testers.

Maybe they should start testing their games.

lol i gave up on fifa 2005 tonight after i played pes 4 online with my friend tonight
i dont know how i changed my mind but it just clicked about pes 4 i cant explain. Anyways i uninstalled fifa 2k5 maybe next year ea u get it right with fifa 2006 lol

Ea SPORTS ITS IN THE BIN

I'm now running my mate's old 9600XT instead of my 9200 and there has been zero improvement in the problem. My fps is set at 100 yet the players still stutter on long balls and goal kicks. Can't get 1280 either.

Bizarre.

I'm heading off back to Fifa 2004 for a while.

[i]
I'm heading off back to Fifa 2004 for a while. [/B]


probably a good idea.:(

Ok people,
I've just got confirmation from the US testers and devs over there that the conmmand is been taken out of the game for some odd reason.

I'll be honest with you as I always have...
I've quizzed them and they cant cant explain why its not there either.

Anyway, they dont seem to want to be helpful in terms of a patch or advice otherwise. Personally, they've dissapointed me as well as I'm sure you all are as well.

I'm still looking into the problem here, however, with the UK support team to see if I can find out whats going on here but, ultimately, this may be a dead end since the 'friendly devs' I've been routing for have turned away.

Trust me, I'm not happy.:f***:

Kareem.

That`s the last time EA get my hard earned cash.
:f***: YOU, EA. I`m not prepared to hurt my eyes just because you lazy,greedy :f***: can`t be bothered to fix your buggy games .

Thanks Kareem - your honesty is appreciated. At least we know where we're at now.

Next stop : the 1280 resolution issue....

thanks , i remenbered something when ive played the demo with my old card (geforce4) ihad no flickering problems and i had 1280x1024 resolution
ive bought a new geforce 6800 GT since and all problems appears
my friend got also a brand nex ATI X800PRO same flickering and no 1024 resolution
it appears that this game doesnt support the new ATI ,NVidia cards
as i told you before i have aP4 3.2 processor 2GB ram and the latest drivers
did somebody already asked NVIDIA orATI websites to see what they can do about compatibility with FIFA2005 in their next drivers?
my first fifa game was 98 do not count on me to buy their next products "champion leagues or any others until those people from US try at least to listen to the community
its very disapointing and frustrating
thanks anyway UK, trying to solve our problem
but our problem now will be their problem in the future
i wont buy anything from EA anymore
a french fifa player very disapointed

As I've already said, the US team is really dissapointed me. I've let them know this and its only reinforced my opinion that our US-EA counterparts have no idea what they're doing.

[I would insert a random profanity there but I choose not to]

But then thats my rant... I'll save that for the office.

I'm going to keep looking into this issue for as long as I can, and see if I can spark a flame back in the US too.

Kareem.

well, i ve tried the 61.72 drivers included with my card and it seems to be better (it flickers sometimes but less often)
Vsync :AUTO
antialiasing:X2
anisotroping:X16
resolution:1600X1024 (no 1024 available)

RIVATUNER installed

thanks kareem,
seems the only thing left for us to do is report this matter to the press , health authority and anyone else who will listen.
there should be laws against this negligence, if there arnt any we need to lobby for them.
if there left to get away with it things will only get worse.

EA Games/Sports are money grabbing parasites who hide buggy, unfinished games behind fancy graphics.

This is ridiculous... why they removed the ******* line? Are they idiot? And now they don't wanna lose time making a patch... i hope at least that they bring back the command line in UFEA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE GAME. :kader:

just get pes 4 u will never play fifa again lol i gave up on fifa this week when pes 4 came out i thought id never say this since i been playing fifa since 1994

Ive got fifa and have same double image problems- downloaded the demo of total club manager and nhl 2005 and it was the same for that. There is definitely a patch for total club manager 2005 - maybe this addresses some of the visual problems? Seems to be a universal problem for me and Ea sports games

OK......

Well this is my thread (I guess!) so......

Kareem,

Thank you for your hard work and efforts to try and help us.

I know that these things are beyond your control.

OK, Render_Every no longer works. I won't know if they fix it in the new CL game EA are producing. I won't be buying.

Surely the Head of support has to understand that the 1280 resolution issue really does need a patch. I only have a 5900 but it should handle that res no problem. Ive even tried on my mates x800 and all he gets when he selects 1280 is 1024.

WE ALL KNOW ITS A BUG

To be honest, EA have to deliver a patch for the resolution.

Will Battle for Middle Earth offer 1280 and only deliver 1024.....I think not

What say your manager? For us, please ask him or her.

Thanks again for your help

48hrs (UK) till PES4

Cheers

askywalker

PS: Heres a tip for EA. Let the Japanese or Europeans make 2006. You know, somewhere where Soccer is the national sport..... ;0)

I've been an EA FIFA fan for years and I feel really disappointed (the least I could say) with the lack of interest of EA wrt the issues reported since the launch of FIFA 2005.

Personally, I've tried FIFA 2005 on several pc setups with gfx cards Nividia Ti4200 and Radeon 9800 pro and found out that on both systems the same issue arise i.e. even though the game settings is set at 1280*1024, the game runs at 1024*768. This is simply unacceptable!

As stated in the previous post, there must be a patch to resolve this issue. Up to now EA has not even acknowledge the fact that there is an issue and that they are working on it.. .so where do we go from there on?

I simply hope that Kareem will take up this issue urgently to end our frustration.... as personally this has forced me to consider PES as a solution !

This is pathetic. Game in my mind is unplayable because of this, gives me a headache after a while. Game runs between 60-100 fps all the time during game but when there is a long kick the graphics are choppy. Tried everything, changing resolution, graphics drives, screen referesh, Vsync on/off, changing things in various ini files, still the same.

Come on EA help us out.

By the way is Kareem real ?? Why call yourslef EAPLONKA if you work for them ??? Asking for screenshots etc, just seems a little odd to me, it's pretty obvious with us all ranting what the problem is. Hope he is real and he can sort things out, but to be honest i have my suspicions

Just keeping this one warm so it doesn't slide away out of view...

Sorry to say I have dumped this and my world has been opened to Pro Evo Soccer 4. What a great game that is. Don't get me wrong FIFA 2005 is good but for me Pro Evo outdoes it in virtually every area. I think this was the last FIFA I will try, shame EA you have lost another customer due to shoddy programming.



Huddo

I've just upgraded my PC to AMD Athlon 64bits 3000+, and a MSI mainboard, with my "old" Radeon 9800 pro 128.

I start the game, and the players are moving sloooooooow. I mean matrix style slow.... what the hell happend? I have DX9c and latest catalyst drivers.... weird stuff. game works on old systems but not on newer ones...

At last! The solution to the stuttery graphics issue and the problems with creating players!

It's called PES4!

Apols to Kareem but this appears to be mortal as far as the current incarnation of Fifa 2005 is concerned.

Smoke W**d when you play 2k5 !

Your frame problems will disapear for a little moment!

I do that, in online gaming ....

I'm really fed up about EA ...:rockman: