Ajax played a good game against Juventus.
But they couldn't score a goal of all they're chances...:(

Bayern Munchen is not so good the last time, they make to many mistakes.

Bayern München vs Ajax will be a good game, one of these 2 teams becomes second I think... :)

I think it will be 0-2 for Ajax, and what do you guys think? ;)

well, i dont know where is the match going to be played, but if is in München, Bayern will win 2-1, since zlatan left ajax, i dont think it will be the same team.

They have Makaay :( He scored again today, he's 4 out of 6 right now I think...

I can still remember the last time our clubs met each other. After a 0-0 draw in Munich Ajax put 5 goals behind Kahn at the Amsterdam Arena. That was one of the most impressive performance I've ever seen.

However things have changed in the last couple of years and Bayern are now the favourites against the young guns.

We're not in a great shape at the moment but still winning the games so what will happen when all the players finally put it together and the team and the coach get used to each other? I've posted this before, I'm not sure it's going to happen.

No team has ever won by two goals at the Olympiastadion, doubtfully that Ajax could do it.

We've finally all players, including Ballack and Deisler, back on board so I expect a decent performance. Makaay is already as amazingly good as last year so he should score.

It's a must win game for Bayern. We could leave Ajax behind by 6 points after the second matchday. That's a great oppourtunity which we have to use.

I say 1-0 Bayern Makaay of course.

Oh man, that was ages ago. Good times, good times. [Compare the two squads from 1995 here (http://english.ajax.nl/show/id=119565/dbid=1110/typeofpage=1821).]


We had a very decent game against Juve and we should be able to beat Bayern easy. Just praying for an off-day for Roy.


Some news on Ajax: Grygera is injured, Mitea and Sonck are being saved for Tuesday. Rosales is still a question mark. Stekelenburg and Galasek are still out too. Both Rosales and Galasek will probably make the Bayern match.

2-0 Pizarro and Makaay :rockman:


ajax talks too much SHYT just wait intill u see bayerns true form:kader: :rockman:



dude for now u got OWN3D (H)

Nederland > Deutschland > :sb9: > Farfan



(H)

no class :kader:

lol good one Vagegast.

Anyway i think it'll be 2-1 ajax. :hump:

he's not funny he just thinks hes funny cuz he is a 39 year old virgin living his life in the computer talking smack NO CLASS :kader:


nuff said:f***:

Originally posted by Pizarro14
he is a 39 year old Close. I turned 44 two days ago.

What a squad Ajax had in 1995, something to be amazed, definately sweet....
but too bad for Ajax this is 2004, and Bayern have improved mountains. It will be a tight game but I think Ajax will respect Bayern too much thus play a very defensive game. If Bayern is smart, they will only play the counter because I know Ajax will do the same. If Bayern goes on an all out attack, there could be trouble. I hope Magath is smart to know that Ajax has a great defense, and that means the more preasure you put on their defense the better they are. So, the smart thing to do is to play from the bottom up to the top, in a countering way.

I will say Bayern wins 1-0. :mrpimp:

Originally posted by Vagegast
We had a very decent game against Juve and we should be able to beat Bayern easy. Just praying for an off-day for Roy.

Haha we're not in 1995. :p The others can score, too. Ballack and Frings scored today, Pizarro twice last Tuesday.

Makaay never really has an off-day. He usually can barely see him in the game but then he's just there out of nowhere.

Piza, stop talking too much out of your ass.

that guy started it man. i can't stand shyt talkers man. sorry btw stupid childish comment by me :(

no hard feelings?

They don't call Makaay the Phantom for nothing.

2-0 Bayern

Originally posted by Pizarro14
he's not funny he just thinks hes funny cuz he is a 39 year old virgin living his life in the computer talking smack NO CLASS :kader:


nuff said:f***:

http://www.soccergaming.tv/attachment.php?s=&postid=388694

Ajax 1-0.

Wesley Sneijder

Originally posted by peruytu
What a squad Ajax had in 1995, something to be amazed, definately sweet....
but too bad for Ajax this is 2004, and Bayern have improved mountains. It will be a tight game but I think Ajax will respect Bayern too much thus play a very defensive game. If Bayern is smart, they will only play the counter because I know Ajax will do the same. If Bayern goes on an all out attack, there could be trouble. I hope Magath is smart to know that Ajax has a great defense, and that means the more preasure you put on their defense the better they are. So, the smart thing to do is to play from the bottom up to the top, in a countering way.

I will say Bayern wins 1-0. :mrpimp: Hmm. We played on the counter against Juve and I thought it felt very weird, very un-Ajax. We like to play our own game, but we adjusted ourselves to Juve (another very un-Ajax thing) and I can't say it was very effective but it wasn't bad at all. At the end, we just lucked out. One thing I don't think you're right on: that Ajax respects Bayern because of it's big name. I don't think that's the case (van der Vaart said something along the lines of "A German opponent is always fun"). We'll play cautious because it's an away game, but that's it.

Koeman can be surprising sometimes, so I'm not sure how he decides to play. We'll find out Tuesday. But I think Bayern's weak point is their defense and their buildup. From what I've seen (and I admit, it's not much, just scattered highlights) Bayern rely on luck and Makaay. They don't play their own game.

As for us, defense is our weakest point. We've got talent but it's simply not working out. Midfield is very solid (van der Vaart, Sneijder, [Galasek?], Pienaar) and the same goes for our offense. Yeah, we're missing Zlatan but he was never a finisher but an integral part of the system. We should play our own game, but perhaps Koeman can assign someone to Makaay, instead of playing zone defense. It's risky and different but who cares?

I'm predicting a close 1-1 draw for this game. I just can't really see a team dominating in this encounter and I'm sorta expecting a lot of counterattacking instead of open end footy.

how about a 0-0 tie! :D :p

Thats also possible. But I sorta think that both teams will score...

I just have a feeling like bayern is getting better every week now. I really think bayern will win. if not o well hehe :rockman:

Last Saturday, in the stand of Mun vs Dortmund, two head coach
appearde.
One is Klinsman , other is Koeman.

That match , Mun revealed their strength.
I had never seen they fight so bravely for few years.

I love Ajax mostly, but Mun is so fearful.

I'm wonder how hard I'm going to laugh at all those hopeful Bayern who oversee their team played very badly. And were lucky they have Roy Makaay. But what if that man breaks a leg I think you then should start worry about relegation.

1-0 Ajax, powerful header of Heitinga. Resilient....

Relegation. Right :| Also not playing amazingly well we've got 11 points out of 6 games and are at the 4th spot in in the Bundesliga. The first CL game in Israel which was not an easy one was won as well as the first German Cup game. You're not underestimating Bayern a bit, eh?

True, Makaay is ONE of the key players, but remember that the whole team is working for him so although he scores almost every goal it's because of the tactics. These tactics would be a lot different without Makaay. Players like Pizarro or Frings could do a lot more on the offensive end.

Besides that, he's never missed a game due to injury in his first 12 months.

That becomes a good game

i predict:
2-0 Bayern München
Makaay (2)

makaay is amazing right now.. 2-0 bayern with makaay scoring both

Originally posted by -Vince-
Relegation. Right :| Also not playing amazingly well we've got 11 points out of 6 games and are at the 4th spot in in the Bundesliga. The first CL game in Israel which was not an easy one was won as well as the first German Cup game. You're not underestimating Bayern a bit, eh?

C'mon don't you understand humor just a bit. It was sarcasticly meant and 4th is far too low for a team that has dominated for the past few years in Germany.
Maccabi Tel Aviv is a strong squad.....yeah right :|
And everyone wins in the first game of the national cup mostly it is against a lower division club.

I'll just say ya: I'm gonna laugh very hard if we win

Originally posted by Zlatan
C'mon don't you understand humor just a bit. It was sarcasticly meant and 4th is far too low for a team that has dominated for the past few years in Germany.

Wat he meant is that for the way that we have been playing, 4th place is not bad at all. so 4th place is not far too low for right now.

Ah, so you admit you played bad lately...

Originally posted by Zlatan
It was sarcasticly meant and 4th is far too low for a team that has dominated for the past few years in Germany.

1 title in 3 years is not dominating. Of course the 4th spot is not really the target but it's not too bad either.

Maccabi Tel Aviv is a strong squad.....yeah right :|
Wait until Ajax have played them. They are well organized, play a counter attacking football and the fact that Israel is not the safest place in the world doesn't make it easier.

I'll just say ya: I'm gonna laugh very hard if we win
That's good for you.

Originally posted by Zlatan
Ah, so you admit you played bad lately...
No one denies it, but they're still winning.

Originally posted by Zlatan
Ah, so you admit you played bad lately...


did i ever deny that Bayern have been playing badly??:rolleyes:
it's not some big secret.....i'm sure every bayern fan is aware of that.

hmm.. 1-1 draw.

boring game.

I think we will come out on top, im sure after the bad luck against Juve, the players will be pumped up, and ready to give 100% for a win. I just dont see Bayern being as big of a problem for us as juve.Everyone is making too big a deal about Zlatan, no doubt he was a good player, but I always thought he was a bit over-rated. Like Vagegast said, he was never a finisher.

Originally posted by -Vince-


No one denies it, but they're still winning.

Ok then tell me why you're so optimistic that you can beat Ajax...

When was I being optimistic? :rolleyes: I predict a 1-0 win. Like I said Bayern have only lost once this season (to a very confident Leverkusen side) and won 5 out of 8 games (league, cup, cl).

I was just pointing out that some Ajax fans are underestimating their opponent.

http://www.uefa.com/ImagesContent/Competition/Clubs/Logos/70X70/50037.gif vs. http://www.uefa.com/ImagesContent/Competition/Clubs/Logos/70X70/50143.gif

Tuesday, 28th September, 2004. 20:45(CET)

Olympiastadion, Munchen
http://www.uefa.com/ml/ImagesContent/Competition/Stadiums/600X400/50037.jpg

Originally posted by -Vince-
When was I being optimistic? :rolleyes: I predict a 1-0 win. Like I said Bayern have only lost once this season (to a very confident Leverkusen side) and won 5 out of 8 games (league, cup, cl).

I was just pointing out that some Ajax fans are underestimating their opponent.

Ok, you won 5 out of 8 but not very confident was it? BTW we haven't lost one single time this competition...

Originally posted by Zlatan
Ok, you won 5 out of 8 but not very confident was it?
(Y)

BTW we haven't lost one single time this competition...
What?

25/9/2004 Ajax Roda JC 1-0 HC Eredivisie
19/9/2004 FC Den Bosch Ajax 0-5 HC Eredivisie
12/9/2004 ADO Den Haag Ajax 3-3 HC Eredivisie
29/8/2004 Ajax FC Utrecht 1-1 HC Eredivisie
22/8/2004 Ajax NAC Breda 6-2 HC Eredivisie
15/8/2004 FC Twente Ajax 2-3 HC Eredivisie

Oh you meant Dutch league, ok. Half the teams are as strong as German 2nd division teams though.

FC Bayern: Kahn – Salihamidzic, Lucio, Linke, Görlitz – Frings, Hargreaves:kader: – Ballack, Zé Roberto – Pizarro, Makaay

Ajax Amsterdam: Lobont – Grygera, Heitinga, de Jong, Maxwell – Sneijder, Galasek, van der Vaart – Rosales, Anastasiou, Pienaar

I ******* detest Hargreaves, but he's definitely better than Jeremies. And take Salihamidzic out damnit. I rather want a 10% fit Sagnol :nape:

I noticed that Magath has changed the tactics. He lets the team play a bit more defensive with the addition of a second DM. Not bad because Frings' talents were wasted.

is Diesler injured?

Originally posted by -Vince-
Oh you meant Dutch league, ok. Half the teams are as strong as German 2nd division teams though.

Who's underestimating who now?

anyway the referee for the match is called sars :rofl:

Originally posted by Pizarro14
is Diesler injured?
Nope, just being rested. He's had a long time injury, it's a good choice not to get the pressure too high on him.


Originally posted by Zlatan
Who's underestimating who now?

Well good competition looks different.


I want some cheese :borat:

As long as he's ready for the Juventus match me a happy guy :rockman: (H)

Originally posted by -Vince-

I want some cheese :borat:

I want some Bratwurst :borat:

Some comments about the game:

Roy Makaay:"We could put ourselves in a wonderful position, it'll be a huge step forward if we beat Ajax. We have a better team, and home advantage too."

Michael Ballack:"It'll be totally different against Ajax, a completely different mood and atmosphere. It's a massive game in the Champions League against class opposition like this. This is the first real challenge and it'll tell us where we really stand in international terms"

Oliver Kahn:"Ajax have reclaimed a place in the European elite."

Felix Magath:"I rate Ajax on a par with ourselves, the result will come down to form on the day."


Roy says it the best. :)

Its almost HT and Bayern is up 1-0, by a goal from Makaay.
I'm not watching nor listening to the game, but i'm following up live game plays on uefa.com and it seems to me that Pizarro is very active up top and pulling all the Ajax defenders to him, since he's so good at dribbling... no wonder Makaay loves to play alongside Pizarro. heh

2-0 Bayern Makaay again

oh well Ajax, uefa cup

2-0 for Bayern Munich
Makaay x 2

Best half since the Real game.

I hope they keep it up. Especially Hargreaves and Salihamidzic did a good job. (Y)

Makaay's goals were pure class. (H)

2-0 at HT. Hmmm I wonder what Zlatan has to say about this...
Anyways, I'm not watching the game, but from what I can read on Uefa.com its been a pretty equal game with Bayern have a little more chances on scoring. Pizarro hit the post once and missed two other times. Its probably going to be a little tighter in the second half as Ajax will most likely start attacking alot more.
Lets hope this same pace continues in favor of Bayern.

Originally posted by Zlatan
I want some Bratwurst :borat:

Don't tempt Vince :(

(H)

WTF???? Pizarro gets foul in the area and Makaay takes the penalty? What kind of bull$hit is that??
Thats the crap I dont like to see! :kader:

Well anyways, one more goal by Bayern (lets hope by Pizarro this time) and this could be considered an A$$ RAPE by all standards of the word!
I wonder where Zlatan, our very confident dutch is now? Hmmmm
Just when you need him to be around to tell us about his expertice on the matter of all Ajax, he doesnt show up.. oh well.

Ok , 4-0, this is officialy an ANAL RAPE by Bayern... literaly ripping Ajax another A$$hole. :rockman: :mrpimp: :rockman: :mrpimp: :hump: :hump: :hump:

One more goal for Bayern is and bye bye 1995. :)

Anyone have a bullet to spare?

:kader:

Hahah...Ajax suck :( :D

Someone put me out of my misery. We're done.

Originally posted by Vagegast
we should be able to beat Bayern easy
(H) :rockman: (H) :p

That game was just too good. (H)

Schade Ajax alles ist vorbei :p

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:kader: what the hell were Ajax doing out there? :(

:rofl: :rofl:

jajaja where's ajax fans??? too much talkin and less action ... bayern is breakin it ... omg 4-0 thats so crappy for a team like ajax ...

here the beautiful standings :

Bayern Ajax
4 - 0

28', 44', 51'(pen) Makaay :rockman: damn he's a killer
55' Zé Roberto

Group Stage - 28 September 2004 20:45 (CET)
Olympiastadion - Munich

It was the Roy Makaay show in Munich tonight as the Dutch striker claimed a hat-trick against AFC Ajax and set up the fourth for good measure as FC Bayern München continued their perfect start to UEFA Champions League Group C.

Makaay stars
Having scored twice in the first half, Makaay added another goal right after the break from the penalty spot in a match which Bayern dominated completely. He then passed for Zé Roberto to increase their lead, as Bayern stormed to the top of the group, but left Ajax without a point from their opening two fixtures.

Pizarro starts
Home coach Felix Magath made several changes, as he brought in right-back Samuel Kuffour for Tobias Rau, while Hasan Salihamidzic switched to the left wing. English international Owen Hargreaves started in place of Jens Jeremies and Claudio Pizarro returned from a serious head injury to partner Maakay in attack.

Bayern ahead
Bayern's dominance was rewarded on 28 minutes. Hargreaves's clever pass sent Makaay free with only Lobont to beat, and the striker shot early and accurately from 18 metres out. The same combination made it 2-0 a minute from the break, Hargreaves crossing and Makaay heading in.

Hat-trick complete
The Makaay show continued after the break. In the 52nd minute, Pizarro was displaying his trickery inside the Ajax penalty box when he was impeded by Lobont. French referee Alain Sars instantly gave a penalty, and Makaay converted for his hat-trick.

Lead increases
By now the visitors were shell-shocked, and within three minutes Bayern were further ahead as Kuffour, Pizarro and Makaay combined to set up Zé Roberto, who shot in unmarked in front of goal. With three points all but secure, Magath took off Pizarro and introduced Sebastian Deisler, as they conserved their energy for the forthcoming matches with Juventus FC. Van de Vaart forced Oliver Kahn to save on 67 minutes, but Ajax attacks were few and far between.

Late effort
Deisler, still recovering from his long absence last season, nearly made it 5-0 nine minutes from time as he shot just off target from distance. But the die was cast for Ajax, who may need maximum points from their forthcoming two encounters with fellow strugglers Maccabi Tel-Aviv FC, while Bayern look ahead to their double-header with Juventus, the first instalment of which is in Turin on 19 October.


.. and i recomend :jambo: to ajax fans : be more humble, not always who speaks louder is right

more luck for the next match ...

Let's not overreact here. Ajax fans have enough pain with this ass kicking result.

Nice. I wanted Bayern to win (not by 4 goals though)

This way Juve and Bayern can share the points when they face each other and still qualify.

Good stuff.

Damn !

I didn't see this coming.

I sold Makaay last week on fantasy though. :(

Juve - Bayern will be good (Y)

Ah thanks for reminding me. Makaay is my captain in the fantasy league. 3 goals and 1 assist. (H)

juve v bayern will be class. funnily enough i don't see that game being as high scoring or as one sided as this one.

Makaay is my captain too. (H) That'll help cheer me up :)

We're going for the UEFA Cup.

Very THX Bayern.

Now we were not the only team, which differentiated with four goals lost(H)

What a victory. I really would have thought that this game would be a tight 1-1 affair. Guess I was totally off.

Juve vs. Bayern should be a very interesting game, one that can help decide the winner of the group.

man i'm sad to be honest i didn't saw that one coming :( :( :(

WTF IS UP!!! GODDAM IT! :f***: :f***: :f***:


Oh well, at least Rooney made something happen elsewhere. :p

Roy Maakay :Bow:

:rockman: no comment.:rockman:

LOL, I guess this shows that Bundesliga aint that ****ty after all...:o

frankly, the score-line was one-sided, but not the match, not really anyway, again, like Juve, we held the ball for long periods of time, and did what we do best: play fluid passing football. We still have 5 games to play, its way too early to give up now. Where were you today Sneijder? You skank.....:( :(



and really, it doesnt show me anything about the bundesliga, all I saw was a bunch of guys get taken advantage of while they were still shell-shocked. It was Ajax's fault they lost, not Munich's skill on the ball or anything like that, a guy like Makaay will score 3 goals easy if the defenders are afraid to come anywhere near him.

I think if we would have played the way we did against Juve, or even if we played the entire game like we started, we would have won.

wow i just got home from work and i see the score. also no hard feelings ajax. I have lots of respect for you guys. :rockman:



can anyone grade the players from bayern how they played tonight? 1-10 overall please. i didn't get to see the game :rockman:

i'll tell u one that's for sure.

Makaay - 10/10

and ahmedk don't try to take anythin away from us. we dominated u. i still respect ajax.:)

i know makaay played well but i want to know all the other bayern player performance. please man just got home from work

Lobont -- 2/10 -- Gave away PK
De Jong -- 5/10 -- Zone defense didn't work
Grygera -- 3/10 -- Not good enough for Ajax
Heitinga -- 3/10 -- Don't know what it was, maybe injury.
Maxwell -- 7/10 -- Best player on Ajax side
Obodai -- 4/10 -- Good for HCE; not CL
Galásek -- 3/10 -- Invisible
Sneijder -- 3/10 -- Still playing dirt
Rosales -- 6/10 -- CL debut
Sonck -- 3/10 -- No Ajax striker. Didn't get a single ball but not his fault.
Van der Vaart -- 4/10 -- Not the VdV I know.

this is the fcking duo i told u ajax guys BAYERN PLAY BETTER WITH MAKAAY AND PIZARRO. they know wat to do they communicate so good on the field


:rockman: :rockman:

Kahn - 7 - got nothing to do except a few easy shots
Kuffour - 8 - very good on the defensive end, nice pass before the fourth goal
Lucio - 7 - the rock did his work which was not too much
Linke - 7 - see above
Salihamidzic - 7 - some good scenes in the first half, average in defense
Frings - 5 - that was not his game
Ballack - 6 - lost the ball too quicky, his shots were far away from goal
Ze Roberto - 8 - great game on the left wing + one goal
Hargreaves - 9 - that was the old Hargreaves, awesome game
Pizarro - 7 - got the penalty, did the hard work for
Makaay - 10 - :Bow:

Originally posted by AhmedK
I think if we would have played the way we did against Juve, or even if we played the entire game like we started, we would have won.
haha you lost 4-0 and were not even close to score. If we had the 2001 team we would win the Champions League.

This game shows the stae of dutch football. When players like Zlatan are bought from clubs like Ajax they can never get far in competitions like the CL. Koeman has such a hard task trying to create a team with a future when every player who's doing well will be snatched away from the team next season.

Ajax performed under par though against Bayern. That 4-0 scoreline makes Ajax look like a crap side while in fact they aren't.

*Runs away and goes sitting in a deep dark corner of dark house in a dark world*

EDIT: But Vince one thing is true: we had a very big chance with Raf who just missed the ball on centimeters. It's very easy to forget that but if that one was gone in I think you'd be the one who lost.

I don't know. Ajax's defense didn't look well organized throughout the match.

The tactic was definitely killing them. It's very hard to succeed at Olympiastadion if you play with a 3-man-defense and generally offensive minded. That's why Bayern usually play better against teams like Real, ManU or Dortmund at home because those teams don't just lie back but want to dominate the game.

Felix Magath:
"What Roy Makaay did was sensational, not only his goals but also the play leading up to them were superb and alone worth tonight's entrance fee. This result is proof that we have come on in the last few weeks and we showed what we are capable of. I knew that at some point things would take off for us."

Koeman:
"We have known about his quality in Holland for a long time and tonight he demonstrated it, he's a fantastic player for Bayern.''

Originally posted by -Vince-
I don't know. Ajax's defense didn't look well organized throughout the match.


Yes but it would've been a great punch in the face of bayern and it'll left them dizzy for a 30 minutes or so.

It took Bayern about 15 mins to bounce back against Freiburg on Saturday. Okay, Freiburg are not Ajax though.

Anyway, too much replies here using conditional tenses. :crazyboy:

Originally posted by Elber2k3
Schade Ajax alles ist vorbei :p
We'll get them in Amsterdam... :rolleyes:

lol ajax fans we will see (H) :rockman:

I'll probably watch the game after I finish downloading it today. But from what i read it seems that Ajax were stupid enough to go out with three defenders on an all out attack tactics. If you read my post prior to the game, I specificaly said that if Ajax does this they will be in trouble.. and lo-and-behold they got analy raped. Some things in life are simple.. unfortunately Koeman didn't care to read Bayern correctly. Thats what he gets for being lazy I guess.

Originally posted by ajaxforever
We'll get them in Amsterdam... :rolleyes:
You will only have to win the game 5-0 although I think that we will get at least one point vs. Juve so the last game vs. Ajax hopefully won't matter.

Ajax should focus on Maccabi. They're solid.

yes i agree, ajax should focus on maccabi haifa and bayern focus on bundesliga and in the next match with Juve, a very hard one; too much celebration could be wrong.

Originally posted by peruytu
I'll probably watch the game after I finish downloading it today.
Got a link?

That was a rocket shot from Makaay!

They had it on the sportscenter top 10.. .they rarely put footy on there...

i just saw the game i downloaded the game. AWESOME perfermance by bayern. Now Its juventus turn.




Pizarro and Makaay==== :rockman: :rockman: (H)

juventus will be very hard ... but not impossible. I hope that Makaay do his best in that match, and of course Pizza doing the hard work :p

Originally posted by Pizarro14
i just saw the game i downloaded the game. AWESOME perfermance by bayern. Now Its juventus turn.




Pizarro and Makaay==== :rockman: :rockman: (H)


where did u download from??

http://football.hn.org:6969/index.html?filter=Champions+League


enjoy