Time for one.

Squad for the WCQ06 games vs. Finland and Macedonia.

Goalkeepers: Edwin van der Sar (Fulham), Edwin Zoetebier (PSV Eindhoven).

Defenders: Khalid Bhoulahrouz (Hamburg SV), John Heitinga (Ajax Amsterdam), Nigel de Jong (Ajax Amsterdam), Wilfred Bouma (PSV Eindhoven), Giovanni van Bronckhorst (Barcelona), Kevin Hofland (Wolfsburg).

Midfielders: Mark van Bommel (PSV Eindhoven), Rafael van der Vaart (Ajax Amsterdam), Edgar Davids (Barcelona), Wesley Sneijder (Ajax Amsterdam), Denny Landzaat (AZ Alkmaar), Philip Cocu (PSV Eindhoven).

Forwards: Pierre van Hooijdonk (Fenerbahce), Roy Makaay (Bayern Munich), Romeo Castelen (Feyenoord), Dave van den Bergh (Utrecht), Dirk Kuijt (Feyenoord), Ruud van Nistelrooy

I can't wait for Romania vs. Holland to come around (H) :rockman:

Originally posted by $teauA
I can't wait for Romania vs. Holland to come around (H) :rockman: Can't wait to crush you either :rockman:

Half of them are them are new blood. :rolleyes:
Most of them are from the hthe dutch league.

Still Cocu in the team? :kader: .... I don't see this team going far without Seedorf.

Originally posted by Deisler
Half of them are them are new blood. :rolleyes: Most of them are from the hthe dutch league. At least they're not from the Bundesliga :fluffy: This is the same team that beat Czech Republic 2-0 a few weeks ago.Still Cocu in the team? :kader: .... I don't see this team going far without Seedorf. Yeah, Cocu's not the old Cocu. He's getting older, so you can't blame him. Seedorf can focus on Milan, van Bommel is far better suited for the Dutch NT. He defends when it's needed.

Now that i noticed even Stam is missing.... how do you think will Van Basten deal with the lack of character that Van Der Sar usually shows without a strong center like Stam is?

I personally like alot the idea of refreshing the team but not totally.....

I hope Van Basten plays Makkay now that FINALLY Kluivert is not there.:p

Originally posted by Deisler
Now that i noticed even Stam is missing.... how do you think will Van Basten deal with the lack of character that Van Der Sar usually shows without a strong center like Stam is?No idea what you're talking about. :( I hope Van Basten plays Makkay now that FINALLY Kluivert is not there.:p Van Hooydonk got nod over him last time. Van Basten is not a big fan of Makaay (learn to spell his name, dude, you're embarrassing yourself.)

Originally posted by Vagegast
Time for one.

Squad for the WCQ06 games vs. Finland and Macedonia.

Goalkeepers: Edwin Zoetebier (PSV Eindhoven).

Defenders: Khalid Bhoulahrouz (Hamburg SV), Nigel de Jong (Ajax Amsterdam), Kevin Hofland (Wolfsburg).

Midfielders: Denny Landzaat (AZ Alkmaar),

Forwards: Romeo Castelen (Feyenoord), Dave van den Bergh (Utrecht), Dirk Kuijt (Feyenoord),

Who the hell are these monkeys anyway? Is he trying to built a replika of the Bronx zoo? :D

Originally posted by Deisler
Who the hell are these monkeys anyway? Is he trying to built a replika of the Bronx zoo? :D He'd have to select ya maw (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.skfriends.com/monkey-hugging-dog-photo.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.skfriends.com/monkey-hugging-dog-photo.htm&h=450&w=316&sz=20&tbnid=jjzqtJ2VrrQJ:&tbnh=123&tbnw=87&start=5&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfemale%2Bmonkey%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26i e%3DUTF-8%26c2coff%3D1%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG) to accomplish that.

Location: The doghouse

I found who the dog is lol

Doghouse > Brooklyn Zoo

Any idea how Kevin Hofland is doing at Wolfsburg?

Pretty good. The defense is very stable and Wolfsburg are 1st.

Bhoulahrouz amazes me. He came for little money but he's already better than Ujfalusi.

Hey Vagegast do you know why Van Basten doesn't like Makaay. In newspaper Algemeen Dagblad I also read that "Makaay z'n krediet verspeeld heeft bij Van Basten".

That sounds like it's something personal. But I just can't imagine that with Van Basten en Makaay, you couldn't find two nicer, more down to earth guys.

Originally posted by Deisler
Half of them are them are new blood. :rolleyes:
Most of them are from the hthe dutch league.

Still Cocu in the team? :kader: .... I don't see this team going far without Seedorf.

You don't get it don't you?
The absence of Seedorf is just why it's going so well lately. I'm so happy with that new blood. So what they're from the HCE? Finally someone who desides not to take on those old ****heads. Bring on new glory, Don Marco!

Originally posted by mhflierman
Hey Vagegast do you know why Van Basten doesn't like Makaay. In newspaper Algemeen Dagblad I also read that "Makaay z'n krediet verspeeld heeft bij Van Basten".

That sounds like it's something personal. But I just can't imagine that with Van Basten en Makaay, you couldn't find two nicer, more down to earth guys. Yeah, I wondered too. He said before the games vs. Czech Republic he said Makaay hadn't done well at practice. :| That sounded more like an excuse to me than anything. And that's the only public thing he said on it from what I've heard. Makaay said this in the Parool after van Basten said that: ''Wat we hebben besproken, blijft tussen ons. Maar ik weet niet of de bondscoach zijn keuze maakt op basis van wat hij op de trainingen ziet. Het enige wat ik kan zeggen, is dat ik op mijn manier train. Dat doe ik al jaren zo en dat verander je ook niet zo snel. Veertig keer scoren op een training is leuk, maar het gaat erom dat je ze in de wedstrijd maakt. En ik train om in die wedstrijd zo fit en zo scherp mogelijk te zijn.''


You know what I think? This is a total guess but: Makaay is the total opposite of what van Basten used to be as a striker. Maybe he just doesn't like his style of playing. Total guess.

You're right about their characters too, they're both great guys. Just love the way Makaay talks? He's from Limburg isn't he?

Originally posted by Vagegast
Can't wait to crush you either :rockman:

dream much :)

Originally posted by Vagegast
Yeah, I wondered too. He said before the games vs. Czech Republic he said Makaay hadn't done well at practice. :| That sounded more like an excuse to me than anything. And that's the only public thing he said on it from what I've heard. Makaay said this in the Parool after van Basten said that: ''Wat we hebben besproken, blijft tussen ons. Maar ik weet niet of de bondscoach zijn keuze maakt op basis van wat hij op de trainingen ziet. Het enige wat ik kan zeggen, is dat ik op mijn manier train. Dat doe ik al jaren zo en dat verander je ook niet zo snel. Veertig keer scoren op een training is leuk, maar het gaat erom dat je ze in de wedstrijd maakt. En ik train om in die wedstrijd zo fit en zo scherp mogelijk te zijn.''


You know what I think? This is a total guess but: Makaay is the total opposite of what van Basten used to be as a striker. Maybe he just doesn't like his style of playing. Total guess.

You're right about their characters too, they're both great guys. Just love the way Makaay talks? He's from Limburg isn't he?

I know Makaay takes it easy at training. He has every right so. It's a dutch mentality to train insanely hard. When Stam moved to ManUtd from PSV, the first thing he noticed was how relaxed the training was. Dutch clubs and coaches kill their players during training. I had hoped Van Basten wouldn't do that. Anyway, I can understand why Makaay doesn't get so much playing time, he just doesn't contribute enough footballing wise. It would work if you played with two strikers, one behind the other, Makaay being the deep one. But that's not the style we dutch want to play. :rolleyes:.

Anyways we'll see what happens in the coming games. I hope we convince with some nice, flowing, quick, high ball circulation, Arsenal-like attacking/dominating kind of football, while winning both games with 4-0 or more, Van Nistelrooij scoring heaps of goals (I want him to take over the national top scorer title from Kluivert).

Oh and BTW Makaay is from Wijchen, which is between Arnhem and Nijmegen, so that would be Gelderland, in stead of Limburg. (H)

You Dutch always have to play this spectacular kind of football. The result (almost) doesn't matter.

Makaay would be an id
eal player for the German team. There's still no successor to Gerd Müller.

hesselnik from psv should be in the squad

Originally posted by -Vince-
You Dutch always have to play this spectacular kind of football. The result (almost) doesn't matter.

Makaay would be an id
eal player for the German team. There's still no successor to Gerd Müller.
What's wrong with that?

Anyway I've been a supporter of Makaay since he became a great striker at Deportivo la Coruna unfortunatly he was always 'discriminated' by the coaches.

Originally posted by Zlatan
What's wrong with that?

Nothing, it shows the different philosophies. You would think football is so simple, you only have to put the goal in the net.

Originally posted by -Vince-
You would think football is so simple, you only have to put the goal in the net.

Vince... that was... that was just so beautiful. You poet.

(H)

Originally posted by crepotheking
hesselnik from psv should be in the squad He would be if we didn't have so many good strikers. Originally posted by -Vince-
You Dutch always have to play this spectacular kind of football. The result (almost) doesn't matter. Yeah, there was a brief discussion during Euro 2004 about whether we should play the Dutch way or just make sure to win. Van Basten absolutely plays the Dutch way, very offensive. little emphasis on defending. Germany is the total opposite. Emphasis on defending (thank God for Kahn, right?) and winning by one goal. How you play is not important for you guys. Which is why you sucked in Portugal this year (H)

Germany sucks in general. But no, wait, Klinnnnnnnnnnnsmannnnnnnnnnnnnn said Germany would be serious WC contenders in 2006.

What a great comidean he is.

(H)

Not really sure why I posted this. :( But this thread needs to stay near the top. :p

Why not? We're a bit below the likes of Brazil, Argentina or Italy (Spain, England, Holland = underachievers (H) ).

With homeground advantage we should be a contender, the fans should make that up.

Our team is really getting better. No more Wörns, Bobic, Hamann and all those old scrubs.

(H)

You're top contenders because you're Germany, not because you're good at playing soccer. (H)

Well not good at playing soccer but at winning soccer games unlike our neighbour. (H)

Still, you suck and won't be world champions. Who's going to score yer goals... whose going to defend and who's going to catch the monkey (kahn)?

(H)

Kahn is 2nd option now (H)

Vagegast, this may be off topic, but you said you live in McLean VA right? Because I was just there and thought it sounded familiar; aside from Tyson Corner.

Nah, Herndon.

McLean is for incredibly rich white people. Dick Cheney lives there. :(

http://www.city-data.com/city/McLean-Virginia.html

Yeah I was confused about how someone with the location NETZERO.COM would be living in McLean. :D

Shut up and bring me some lobsters (H)

Watch out for Macedonia. The Netherlands should be able to pick up 3 points against Finland.

Any Australian here know if its going to be broadcasted? or would anyone know some links i could possibly watch the online stream?

Selection for the WCQ match vs. Andorra:

G: Edwin van der Sar (Fulham), Maarten Stekelenburg (Ajax).
D: Nigel de Jong (Ajax), Joris Mathijsen (AZ), Giovanni van Bronckhorst (Barcelona), Phillip Cocu (PSV), Khalid Boulahrouz (HSV), Mario Melchiot (Birmingham City)
M: Mark van Bommel (PSV), Edgar Davids (Internazionale), Wesley Sneijder (Ajax), Rafael van der Vaart (Ajax), Denny Landzaat (AZ)
A: Pierre van Hooijdonk (Fenerbahçe), Romeo Castelen (Feyenoord), Dirk Kuijt (Feyenoord), Ruud van Nistelrooy (Manchester United), Arjen Robben (Chelsea), Roy Makaay (Bayern München)

Man, am I bored :(

Friendly coming up February 9th at Villa Park. SWP will be on the left with David Putz on the right.


My ideal XI right now:
--------------------------van der Sar-----------------------------
De Jong--Ooijer--Bouhlarouz--van Bronckhorst
-------Landzaat--Sneijder--Davids----------
--------Kuyt--Makaay----Robben------

Subs:
Bouma, Heitinga, Mathijsen, Cocu
van Der Vaart, van Bommel, van Galen
Yildirim, van Hooydonck, Kluivert, van der Meyde, van Persie

Originally posted by Vagegast
Man, am I bored :(

Friendly coming up February 9th at Villa Park. SWP will be on the left with David Putz on the right.


My ideal XI right now:
--------------------------van der Sar-----------------------------
De Jong--Ooijer--Bouhlarouz--van Bronckhorst
-------Landzaat--Sneijder--Davids----------
--------Kuyt--Makaay----Robben------

Subs:
Bouma, Heitinga, Mathijsen, Cocu
van Der Vaart, van Bommel, van Galen
Yildirim, van Hooydonck, Kluivert, van der Meyde, van Persie

You wanna say it one more time?

''Ugur Yildirim zal vanavond zelf zijn keuze bekend maken, maar De Telegraaf weet vandaag te melden dat de speler van SC Heerenveen besloten heeft om zich beschikbaar te stellen voor het Nederlands Elftal. Yildirim werd ook uitgenodigd door de Turkse bondscoach en moest daarom een keuze maken tussen de twee nationale elftallen.

Yildirim denkt volgens het Amsterdamse dagblad dat hij in het speelsysteem van Oranje het best tot zijn recht komt. Bondscoach Marco van Basten heeft een voorkeur voor een systeem met drie spitsen en dat lijkt doorslaggevend te zijn geweest.''


Good for Holland. (Y) Not good for his reputation in Turkey and for the Turkish people in Holland though.

:bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:


YES!! Although... it is a very hard decision to make. Turkey doesn't play with a right winger but it's his country. On the other hand, you have Marco van Basten who plays in a winger-system. Let's hope it's true in any case (Y)

MAN I was praying for this news about Yildirim. He's my favorite player of the Eredivisie. His rightfoot is friggin GOLD. With Robben on the leftwing, Yildirim on the rightwing, Ruud in the centre... WK 2006 is ours :hump:

time to dig this one up

van basten announced the selection for the coming matches

De complete selectie van het Nederlands elftal voor de WK-kwalificatiewedstrijden tegen Roemenië (26 maart, Boekarest) en Armenië (30 maart, Rotterdam):
Doel: Van der Sar (Fulham), Timmer (AZ).
Verdediging: Bouhlarouz (HSV), Bouma (PSV), Van Bronckhorst (Barcelona), Heitinga (Ajax), Melchiot (Birmingham City), Kromkamp (AZ), Mathijsen (AZ).
Middenveld: Van Bommel (PSV), Cocu (PSV), Landzaat (AZ), Maduro (Ajax), Sneijder (Ajax), Van der Vaart (Ajax).
Aanval: Babel (Ajax), Kuijt (Feyenoord), Meerdink (AZ), Robben (Chelsea), Van Nistelrooy (Manchester United).

van Basten is still full of suprises... I don't understand why he has called up Heitinga instead of Ooijer. Heitinga is completely out of form and Ooijer is playing solid week in week out

Heitinga did quite good last matches IMO. But it really surprised me about Maduro I thought he only got him in his pre-selection to motivate him. If it was only a friendly I would understand it but this is one of the important quals in the group.

:confused:

Heitinga definitely deserved the call over Ooijer, without a doubt. No disrespect to Ooijer, but I'd always choose a versatile 22-year old over a stale 30-year old.

Maduro? I don't think he'll see any playing time, I'm not worried.

is the Kabel(Seedort Kluivert and Davids )era over with Van Basten ??

San Marco's provisional squad list:

Edwin van der Sar (Fulham), Henk Timmer (AZ), Edwin Zoetebier (PSV)
Johnny Heitinga, Nigel de Jong (both Ajax), Barry Opdam, Ron Vlaar (both AZ), Giovanni van Bronckhorst (Barcelona), Mario Melchiot (Birmingham City), Khalid Boulahrouz (Hamburg), Wilfred Bouma, Theo Lucius, Andre Ooijer (all PSV), Michael Jansen (Vitesse), Hedwiges Maduro, Wesley Sneijder, Rafael van der Vaart (all Ajax), Denny Landzaat, Olaf Lindenbergh (both AZ), Mark van Bommel, Phillip Cocu (both PSV), Ryan Babel (Ajax), Robin van Persie (Arsenal), Roy Makaay (Bayern Munich), Arjen Robben (Chelsea), Romeo Castelen, Dirk Kuyt (both Feyenoord), Kiki Musampa (Manchester City), Ruud van Nistelrooy (Manchester United), Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink (PSV)

Damnit, just when I thought Van Basten figured it out he loses the plot again? Musampa, Vlaar, Lucius, Vennegoor??? :kader:

They've all done good. Only Vlaar is a surprise to me; the others are reasonable call-ups.

They've all done good. Only Vlaar is a surprise to me; the others are reasonable call-ups.

Reasonably good players for their clubs yes. For their country no. We've got loads better then them.

So far San Marco was always right in his decisions, I trust him now again and everyone should do that.

Reasonably good players for their clubs yes. For their country no. We've got loads better then them.Who do you have in mind?

Musampa has a starting position at Citeh and has been great for them, possibly their best player behind SWP. Vlaar was impressive in the few games that he has played but I'm not defending his call-up? Lucius has been incredible for someone who's stepping in the footsteps of van Bommel. Vennegoor has scored 20+ goals for PSV this year.

EDIT: Yeah, Musampa is at City :( Just watch the highlights of the City-Boro match, you'll be convinced.

Musampa is with Manchester City actually. Vlaar is a bit like Maduro's shock call up. That seems to have worked well though :p

I hope Michael Jansen will be recovered from his concussion soon, he won't be wanting to miss this. :(

Zoetebier :| Oh right, he played 30 minutes against de Graafschap :p

Select Moens or maybe even Waterreus (H)

Seriously guys come on...

Melchiot, decent club player, not good enough for the world top, which was why he was dropped by Chelsea. I'd rather see Ooijer, De Jong, Heitinga or Reiziger at right back.

Musampa, same story, good club player for sub-top/mid-table clubs in top competions. Why would you want him in the NT, it's not like we haven't got enough midfielders.

Lucius, oh man, I admire his workrate and determination but I hate his mullet and he should just stick to gambling and selling fireworks. (H)!!! He'll never be a good enough NT player in this universe.

Vlaar, hell nobody knows him. How many minutes has played? I that even more than 100?

Again christmas has come early for some players. Van Basten should just stick with a group of players and stop adding every kid or guy who has played one good match. Most of them will not be able to command a place in the team let alone the starting eleven. If you select Melchiot, Vlaar, Lucius and Musampa, I'd like to throw in another name... Clarence Seedorf.

How about another discussion? Naturalisation of Kalou? I think it's pathetic that this is even a discussion. There is no way on earth he deserves a special procedure. It's measuring with two standards.

I agree with you, van Basten does really call up to many players. (Im surprised Sibon hasnt been called up, he did score against both Vitesse and Twente...)

About Kalou, he shouldnt get the dutch nationality IMO. The guy doesnt even speak proper dutch. If Kalou does get naturalisated I think we should go for Alex too. He would make a good defender for the Dutch NT (H) And Nevland too, and sooooo many others.

(I agree that Melchiot is trash!)

As for Kalou, I'd first like to say that Verdonk is a ******* c*nt. She's implementing a xenophobic immigration policy, that's what it comes down to but that's besides the point (for now). The point here is that there's a double standard. If Maxima and other sporters can get a sped up naturalization, why is Kalou being denied? That's the part of this issue that's pissing me off. The double standard.

As much as I like San Marco bashing the royal family ("What about Maxima?" (H)!!!), Kalou is from the Ivory Coast. Unlike Suriname and the Dutch Antilles, it has ZERO connection to the Netherlands. He still has a lot of trouble speaking the language, even though he's trying. Second of all, everybody deserves equal treatment. Why should Kalou be brought to the front of the line while others have to wait their turn? Plus, how much would Kalou contribute to the national squad in the first place? If, and that's a very big if, he get's to play for Holland he would join Foppe de Haan's Jong Oranje squad. Not to mention how overrated Kalou actually is. HE'S NOT THAT GOOD!!

Kalou should wait for his Dutch passport, just like everybody else. That is if he doesn't join Valencia over the summer.

If he doesn't become a Dutch citizen, he won't have the EU nationality Valencia need of him.

Who the **** chosed the De Kuip for Wednesday's game? Out of all cities the one with probably the most bunch of violent hooligans of whole Europe? :| :nape:

Because De Kuip is the only stadium really worthy for matches of the NT.

Amsterdam arena? Philips stadium? It's just a friendly.

The ArenA sucks and the Philips stadium is too small.

Well we didn't deserve it but it was a very useful victory against Armenia.

Win against Andorra will mean qualification for the WC but seeing yesterdays game I'd still have my doubts...

:nape:

You guys do us Romanians a favor and beat the Czechs for us :jap: :(

What an awful match, we wont get far in the WC though if we keep playing like we have so far with van Basten.

Win is a win, I agree last match was terrible but the match before Armenia were quite good with sometimes the freeflooding football that San Marco had promised us...

Well, on the positive side, the Armenians had NO serious chances. The tempo was so low, though, and Van Persie annoyed me even more when he kept trying impossible moves.

We played just as bad as we did against Finland and won.

The game was bad, i agree. But what can you do with this type of oppenent? I would call Armenia a badly trained Italy. Lets just wait for games against the Czech et al to see the real potential that i see in the Netherlands team.

If all goes well(hence we should be able to win against Andorra shouldn't we?) the game against the Czechs won't even matter a thing.

no matter how sh1t Holland played, the team should still have no problem with Andorra... unless Andorra play dirty again and injury the starting 11. :p

I don't think there is anything to worry about. I think the Dutch team is somewhat "temperamental" -- against stronger teams like Germany, Czechs the team gets fired up and play real Dutch football; but against an opponent like Armenia, the team was clearly just fooling and lacking effort, take Kuyt's squadering of a handful of good chances for example, and van Persie's trick attempts.

The team lacks a little bit of "killer instinct" I might say? That game vs Italy in EURO 2000... :p although it was probably bad luck too... and also the recent friendly vs Germany.

It's in Holland. If they play dirty, they'll be given 240 hours of community service.

It's in Holland. If they play dirty, they'll be given 240 hours of community service.Haha (H)

lol :lui:

man...u guyz have any streams showing the andorra game

Well here in Holland it's been send out live on SBS http://smile.smilies.nl/1502.gif but I doubt you'll be able to see them in foreign country's

Hans Kraay JR -->http://smile.smilies.nl/1512.gif

Hans Kraay jr is the most awful football person on television, Jan Mulder comes close though IMO

25th minute, score is 1-0. What a goal by van der Vaart (Y)

27th minute, header of Cocu, 2-0

Red card Cocu......Andorra's being annoying.

A goal, an assist and red for Cocu

Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuud

'42


3-0

In the next hour you can follow the game here live:
http://www.uefa.com/Live/competitions/WorldCup/MatchCentreLight/matchday=11/day=1/Match=75173/index.html

Right now Holland are winning 3-0.
vd Vaart, an own goal, and Ruud have scored.

Lineup is:
* 1 Van der Sar
* 2 Boulahrouz
* 3 Lucius
* 4 Opdam
* 5 Cocu
* 6 Sneijder
* 7 Van der Vaart
* 8 De Cler
* 9 Robben
* 10 Van Nistelrooij
* 11 Van Persie

Bench
* 12 Timmer
* 13 Bouma
* 14 Maduro
* 15 Landzaat
* 16 Babel
* 17 Kuijt
* 18 Vennegoor

hopefully someone can post highlights

4-0 Van Nistelrooy. His celebration (H)(Y) Stupid fat Andorra defender

:S

Worst display from us in ages. Really disappointed with the lack of discipline, just shows that the mentality is still crap. Best man on the pitch: Koldo. He stopped 8 shots on goal.

Shut up Ruud (H) The lack of discipline was a big plus (H)

And it's why we won't ever become world champions.

a summary of the match someone... :ewan:

Solid victory I guess, against a very poor opponent. The first half was entertaining, IMO, and vd Vaart's goal was just spectacular. Andorra did nothing but tackle and dive, but Cocu should never have lost his cool. He has só much experience... No. 5 of Andorra was a laugh :) . Second half was not quite as interesting as the first half, but once again 3 pts closer to Germany :)

From what ive heard of Andorra's antics in past matches, a bit of indicipline on Holland's part sounds like a taste of their own medicine

Oh, and congrats of course. You should send a game tape to the FA in Soho and show them how "big" teams conquer little ones like theyre supposed to :)

why did ruud taunt the defender...i just saw the goal...man that lacked class and sportsmanship & we are talkin abt a profilic goalscorer

Because the defender did exactly the same with Ruud after he had missed a penalty 3 minutes earlier. As I said, total lack of mentality. And it shows the ref's quality too. He noticed the def's reaction as well, but didn't book him, because he already had been booked. Inconsistency at its best.

Northern Ireland isn't the same as Andorra, at least NIR know how to play football, so they don't fall back on annoyance to gain some advantage.

I hear van Persie showed skills all over, same with VdW. I'll look for clips and post them.

hahahahaha Ruud!!!! ABSOFVCKINLUTE LEGEND!!!! :rockman: :rockman: :rockman:

That was some funny sh1t hahaha. But Andorra definitely deserves that taunt hahahaha. Especially the fatass #5, way to play the offside hahahahaha... deserves to be taunted just for that stupidity. :fool:

**** Andorra and **** that ref. Andorra shouldn't even be a country (N)

I liked the way van Nistelrooy taunted the defenders. What's wrong with showing a bit of fighting spirit, Ruud? :(

****ty football BUT #1 in Group 1. 28 points out of a possible 30 in 10 matches. Nobody wants to say it but van Basten plays a more realistic-oriented, conservative football. He's proving that "goed spelen" and "winnen" isn't necessarily the right formula to success.

haha ruud is a fookin legend. Love his celebration. Van persie and vd vaart were dominating andorra, luckily the game was in holland where its legal to have so many balls inbetween your legs in one night.

Ruud's celebration: posted by Ticcan
http://bigjet.free.fr/upload/images/ruud.gif

a summary of the match someone... :ewan:
Uefa.com:
Marco van Basten's Dutch were confidently expected to brush aside Andorra and so it proved as they eased to a 4-0 win.

Rafael van der Vaart opened the scoring with a sublime lob on ten minutes, with the second coming from the unfortunate boot of Antonio Lima who turned a Philip Cocu header into his own net.

Manchester United striker Ruud van Nistelrooy is in a rich vein of form he netted on 42 and 89 minutes and also missed a penalty as the Netherlands cruised to victory despite seeing Cocu dismissed for an off the ball incident.

Soccernet
Ten-man Netherlands consolidated their position at the top of Group One with a 4-0 World Cup qualifying rout of Andorra on Wednesday.

The Dutch went 2-0 up inside 28 minutes thanks to Rafael van der Vaart and an own goal from Antonio Lima.

Philip Cocu was dismissed for elbowing in the 38th minute before Ruud van Nistelrooy added a third goal before the break.

Van Nistelrooy notched his second goal in the final minute.

Netherlands have 28 points from 10 matches, four more than the second-placed Czech Republic. Andorra are second from bottom on five points.

The Dutch and the Czechs meet in Prague on October 8 and Netherlands only need a point to qualify for the finals.

Coach Marco van Basten made five changes to the Dutch team on duty for the 1-0 victory in Armenia on Saturday, with Arjen Robben and Robin van Persie supporting van Nistelrooy up front.

Andorra, who have never won an away match, were forced to retreat as Robben and van Persie spurned early chances.

Van der Vaart opened the scoring with a superb lob from 10 metres before the unfortunate Lima put through his own net following a header from Cocu.

Cocu, though, was shown the red card for elbowing Fernando Silva after the Andorra striker had fouled van der Vaart.

Even with 10 men Netherlands kept Andorra under pressure and van Nistelrooy claimed his 24th international goal to level van Basten's tally.

The Manchester United striker hit the post with an 83rd-minute penalty before making up for his error with the fourth goal six minutes later.

Hey Larry can you make that vid in avatar size?

Anyway Andorra are really the wannabe footballers. I think their should be a B or C(so you like) division so that these stupid creatures won't be able to play against real country's

me too... i want that for my avatar

Video of the skills from Robben, van Persie and vDW: http://rapidshare.de/files/4874250/Skills_Hol-And.wmv.html

Hey Larry can you make that vid in avatar size?

Yeah sure.

Heres 50x41:
http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/1866/ruud9oj.gif

and stretched to 50x50:
http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/5844/ruud1sh.gif

Thanks man (Y)

I know this is off topic, but i would like to know if any of you Dutch fans would post pictures of the adboards they have in ur stadium...
I am makin a patch for FIFA 06 to include Holland in the game, but i need pictures of the adboards :)

Off-topic here.

What's the Dutch word for 'Netherlands' ? Is it "NEDERLAND" ?

Yes.

Yep, Holland for that matter is only the economic most important part of the country.

korea's giving Advocaat a try with the NT. he took a paycut to leave UAE and manage in the World Cup.

the bonus deal for us is that we get Pim Verbeek too, the dutch coach who assisted Hiddink.


good luck to y'all in the World Cup, and thanks for the great managers. (except Bonfrere)



all aside though, the kfa sure loves everything dutch. I hope it turns out to be good.

korea's giving Advocaat a try with the NT. he took a paycut to leave UAE and manage in the World Cup.

the bonus deal for us is that we get Pim Verbeek too, the dutch coach who assisted Hiddink.


good luck to y'all in the World Cup, and thanks for the great managers. (except Bonfrere)



all aside though, the kfa sure loves everything dutch. I hope it turns out to be good.
I dunno... Dick has never seemed very convincing...

I dunno... Dick has never seemed very convincing...
if by any chance the worst of the worst happens with Advocaat,


we'll still beat China. (C)

Advocaat. (:/)


He got the Dutch into the semi's with luck.










Hope you guys do beat China. (H)




Fire Advocaat after you guys beat China (H)

Davids is back in the dutch NT. :rockman:
I think we really need a type of player like him. I only hope he doesn't get two yellows in the first ten minutes as he did in the last match against Czech Republic. :(

The whole squad for Czech Republic and Macedonia matches:

Goalkeepers: Van der Sar (Manchester United) en Timmer (AZ)
Defenders: Bouma (Aston Villa), De Cler, Opdam en Vlaar (all AZ), Van Bronckhorst (Barcelona), Boulahrouz (HSV) en Kromkamp (Villarreal)
Midfielders: De Jong, Lindenbergh, Maduro en Sneijder (all Ajax), Landzaat (AZ), Van der Vaart (HSV), Boateng (Middlesbrough) en Davids (Tottenham Hotspur)
Attackers: Babel (Ajax), Van Persie (Arsenal), Robben (Chelsea), Kuijt (Feyenoord), Van Nistelrooy (Manchester United) en Vennegoor of Hesselink (PSV)

if by any chance the worst of the worst happens with Advocaat,


we'll still beat China. (C)
lol... now THAT, I have to completely agree with you. Our NT is pure ass replica dirt sh1t, I have no faith in them, just like 95% of Chinese soccer fans. :crazyboy:

Please explain the Vlaar, Boateng and Vennegoor selection. They all dont deserve it. Why on earth Boateng, when youve got Van Bommel, this is getting pathetic

Hey dude, I'm in total agreement. Yeah, van Bommel must've seriously pissed off van Basten... but if San Marco ends up doing incredibly good, will anyone remember? Team > player.

Don't understand the Boateng selection either, he's been only back for a few months and hasn't been as impressive as he was two seasons ago. Plus, enough people for his position anyway (Landzaat, Maduro, Davids). And Vennegoor has earned some points for that Macedonia game. Makaay will be back, watch. Vlaar, he was crap against that Russian game, I'm not sure what the hell he's doing there.

At least no Heitinga (H)

Van Bommel has played two matches invincibly for Barca. Logical he's not picked up. I think he has made the wrong choice for going to Barca with all these world-class midfielders like Ronaldinho, Deco and Xavi so he'll never get enough playtime there.

Yet I agree Boateng's selection pretty weird though San Marco will have his reasons for it.

Well, why would van Bommel have to play to get selected, while Maduro didnt even play 5 full games in his professional career before he gets selected. Also leaving Ooijer out of the squad because hes injured is bull****. He was fit to play for PSV....(Im happy though, he could use some rest, just like Cocu)

Totally agree with everyone here, I dont see the reason of the calling of Boateng, he is no good, and as already mentioned we got Davids there. I player i would definetly call for his performance at the Youth Championship and recent events with Arsenal is Quincy Owusu-Abeyie. I find him necessary for the Dutch team, at least as a sub. And I for one, dont think Timmer is fit for the NT, and would call youngster Krul.

A player I definitely wouldnt call up is Quincy Owusu Abeyie. What a useless excuse for a player. Go back to the circus. Dance with the monkeys or whatever he wants.

:D

Well, why would van Bommel have to play to get selected, while Maduro didnt even play 5 full games in his professional career before he gets selected. Also leaving Ooijer out of the squad because hes injured is bull****. He was fit to play for PSV....(Im happy though, he could use some rest, just like Cocu)

If van Bommel played 5 full games that excellent on an age of 20 he would be selected right away. But Maduro isn't the question here van Bommel only plays 2 games in which he might have touched the ball once. I see the reason why Marco won't call him up.

If van Bommel played 5 full games that excellent on an age of 20 he would be selected right away. But Maduro isn't the question here van Bommel only plays 2 games in which he might have touched the ball once. I see the reason why Marco won't call him up.

So why is Vlaar called up? He doesnt play regulary, call up De Zeeuw instead then...if you look it from that point of view

You're right but San Marco's reason not to call up van Bommel isn't because he's only played two matches.

what a game, congratulations holland. they are by far my favorite int'l team, and i support them for every tournament. this team looks very promising, and i think they'll do very very well at the world cup!

it's true, the dutch are due for a trophy.....

San Marco is a fcvking genius :Bow: :Bow: :Bow: It's amazing how he turned a bunch of relatively unknown homegrown youngsters into a well-organized team that breezed through the group of death!!! :Bow:

Great win over the Czechs, Robben is the man. Opdam played very well and Vaart too. 2nd half was a bit scary tho, but we still got van der Sar. :D

WORLD CUP!!! :bouncy:

Don't say in Germany that you're from Holland. :taz:

So why is Vlaar called up? He doesnt play regulary, call up De Zeeuw instead then...if you look it from that point of view
You keep coming up with others players while we are talking about van Bommel. Vlaar isn't the question van Bommel is!

Oh and BTW Vlaar played great, doing heaps better than that Bouhlarouz guy.

Im making a comparison...You say van Bommel shouldnt be called up because he doesnt play, I say Vlaar shouldnt be called up because he has only played 6 league games in his career....

stop the pointless arguing. Whatever we say, it's San Marco's decision to select the team. And apparently, all his decisions have been 100% correct so far. Holland is going to Germany and everyone is happy, no need to complain about van Bommel missing action.

I can understand his choice of using Vlaar. van Basten has trusted youth over his reign as Dutch manager, and he has done well. Obviously he sees talent in Vlaar and wants to give him some international experience and also boost his confidence by giving him a debut against a big team like the Czechs, especially since Holland are almost certainly qualified before the match.

I fully support San Marco's way of managing and testing the youth and inexperienced. Without his brave experiments, we would not have realized that players like Opdam, Maduro, Kronkamp are good enough for international football. We'd still be sticking with the 30 year olds and we'd be no different from Advocaat's reign.

Maduro is good enough for international football? I think he still has to prove that really. He's played decent games, but he adds just about zip to the team in most games :S

Im making a comparison...You say van Bommel shouldnt be called up because he doesnt play, I say Vlaar shouldnt be called up because he has only played 6 league games in his career....

Totally agree with hopeunited here...
Vlaar is a defender in which we were short off with the injuries we had(Mathijssen, etc.) if Van Bommel would've been a defender and a good one he'll be called up immediatly. Yet he's a poor midfielder who has had one season of joy and for the rest he will spent the time grow corn on his ass while he sits at the bench of Barcelona.

Now shut up...Marco has silenced you with his results...
11 wins 4 draws 0 loses, from which the greater part was without that Van Bommel guy, facts don't lie!

stop the pointless arguing. Whatever we say, it's San Marco's decision to select the team. And apparently, all his decisions have been 100% correct so far. Holland is going to Germany and everyone is happy, no need to complain about van Bommel missing action.

I can understand his choice of using Vlaar. van Basten has trusted youth over his reign as Dutch manager, and he has done well. Obviously he sees talent in Vlaar and wants to give him some international experience and also boost his confidence by giving him a debut against a big team like the Czechs, especially since Holland are almost certainly qualified before the match.

I fully support San Marco's way of managing and testing the youth and inexperienced. Without his brave experiments, we would not have realized that players like Opdam, Maduro, Kronkamp are good enough for international football. We'd still be sticking with the 30 year olds and we'd be no different from Advocaat's reign.

errm, i think with a midfield like this we'll get owned on the WC. We've got no physical power with a Landzaat--Maduro--Cocu midfield. A van Bommel or Davids would really help. And I dont think it's van Basten's quality that he selected Opdam, Kromkamp or all the other AZ players, that is Adriaanse's quality.

I dont think Maduro is ready for a first team place in the Dutch NT either. Let him be sub, he isnt ready to dictate the play, while he should be doing that at that position.

edit: Max, van Bommel isnt a poor midfielder, he has been waaaay better than any Ajax or Feyenoord or any other dutch midfielder in the past years, with maybe the 03/04 season as an exception.

errm, i think with a midfield like this we'll get owned on the WC. We've got no physical power with a Landzaat--Maduro--Cocu midfield. A van Bommel or Davids would really help.


i agree. in the czech game, although we won, it wasn't as comfortable a victory as a 2-0 scoreline suggests. czechs had many goal scoring opportunities, especially as the game dragged on. i think that someone like davids is crucial to have in the side. he adds a lot of stability, power, and depth to the midfield. i agree that van Basten's selections have been 100% spot on so far, but would this midfield be able to match the likes of Brazil and Argentina in the WC? I don't think so, and if we're going to win, that is what we are going to be up against. Get some experience in that squad, or we're going to have a hard time getting past the quarter finals.

also, i wanted to get some other fans' opinions on this. does anyone think kluivert will be playing in the WC for holland, or even be on the team? i know he hasn't done anything recently, but i think he's still a quality striker who should at least be called up. i think if he starts playing regularly for valencia, he should be on the team.

what do you guys think? any other kluivert fans on this forum??? anywhere? :fool:

Kluivert for Oranje?

Sure, in 1998.

I can see the Holland will do well in Germany.

With Van Basten as a coach, as he was an attacking player in his career & grew up under Rinus Michels' total football, the current Dutch team can be seen as attacking football team.

I love with the way they play under Van Basten.

Wish this team all the best & who knows they can win the WC title for the 1st time.

Hup Holland !

Kluivert should first get a first team place at Valencia, not like he will get called up if he does (fortunatly)

I will never forget:

Kluivert, 85', Ernst Happel Stadion, Vienna.
This is why I still respect him very much even after all those cases he had in the past years(hitting girlfriend, driving 120 kpH in the narrow streets of Amsterdam).

About his chances of coming back before Marco resigns well they're about minimum

Not minimal, they are 0.

'85?! (H)

85th minute... CL final? Come on, you're an Ajax fan :|

I thought he meant year :(

what you guys think about taking Yildirim to the world cup? IMHO i think he should go, he has earned a place in the team, and I think right now he is way more classy than Castelen. At least for the moment.

what you guys think about taking Yildirim to the world cup? IMHO i think he should go, he has earned a place in the team, and I think right now he is way more classy than Castelen. At least for the moment.
Castelen is no longer good enough to make the team. Actually he never was good enough, just a clueless fool that runs around.

Believe it or not he was in the Provisional team against Czech Republic and Macedonia, but was ruled out from the team after all. I just dont get why Yildirim was called only once! :nape:

Kluivert is a legend in my heart, because of the crucial goals he has scored for club and country, not to mention the amount of goals he scored for country. But honestly there is no chance for him to make the squad considering how he hasn't really played any important role in club football for 3 years. Plus the Dutch squad is always loaded with firepower, this time around with the likes of Ruud, Makaay, Kuijt, Robben, Persie.

Don't say in Germany that you're from Holland. :taz:

Haha :D I knew it. The tension between Holland & Germany is high. :jap:

I thought he meant year :(

Than I would've set the ' at the other side. It's as Ruud meant the 85th minute, 23th May 1995.

Jol: England are better than the Dutch

Tottenham's Dutch coach Martin Jol is adamant that England will be contenders for World Cup glory and says Sven-Goran Eriksson's men are better than his home nation (Holland) on their day.

Eriksson and his side have been heavily criticised during their qualifying campaign, particularly after the shock 1-0 defeat at the hands of Northern Ireland, but the manner of their victory over Poland has put the smile back on the faces of the nation.

Now Jol believes Eriksson's side will be major contenders for success in Germany and believes they are better than the current Dutch side - which has won 10 out of their last 12 internationals.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=345673&cc=5901


What a joke! Holland hasn't lost a game in like 2 years or so, and he has the balls to say that England is a better team at the moment. Give me a break. I'm excited that England qualified for the WC, but statements like this just make you wonder. I hope they get hammered by Argentina in their upcoming friendly, just to remind England that they need to worry about getting out of the group stages of the WC first. Winning the tournament is a LONG LONG LONG way away if you're an English fan.

I think he's right. Our team has 3 weak spots in the starting 11, 2 full backs and a right winger.
England only has 1, Eriksson.

Basically he's saying that England is better individually and he's right when it comes to their defense and midfield. I disagree with him on our reliance on Robben, we're simply not. Plus, their weak spot does more harm than ours.

England has an easy group: they finished with 25 points and a goal difference of 12. We had a tough group that included Romania and the Czech Republic. We finished first with 32 points and a goal difference of 25 (!). I think that speaks for itself.

(Holland)

Holland

The Netherlands

Im very pissed for that comment of that traitor. Although it is true we have two weak spots, One Full Back (Opdam seems steady to me) and the right winger. As you already said. :jambo: Ill like to see that bastard's face when we get to a nice stage of the WC and England only gets to the 3 place of the group.

By the way, what team would you guys take to Germany?

1.- Van der Sar
2.- Timmer
3.- Stekelenburg

4.- Opdam
5.- Van Bronkhorst
6.- Kromkamp
7.- De Jong
8.- Emmanuelson
9.- Boulahrouz

10.- Van der Vaart
11.- Maduro
12.- Sneijder
13.- Landzaat
14.- Cocu
15.- Van Bommel
16.- Davids

17.- Van Nistelrooy
18.- Robben
19.- Van Persie
20.- Babel
21.- Kuijt
22.- Yildirim

Opdam is steady, but he's a center back, and only standing in for Joris Mathijsen.

hmmm

GK
Van Der Sar
Timmer
Moens

DR
Kromkamp
Ooijer

DL
Van Bronckhorst
Bouma

DC
Opdam
Mathijsen
Bouhlarouz
Vlaar

MC:
Van Bommel
Cocu
Van der Vaart
Sneijder
Landzaat
Davids

FR:
Kuijt (lack of a good real FR)
Van Persie (use him on the right IMO)

FL:
Robben
Meerdink

SC:
Van Nistelrooy
Makaay

So Vlaar is good enough?! :O!

I like Meerdink but by the time he's back he will have been out for 8 months.

Yeah I was just about to say, first you start talking Vlaar is not good enough and than you select him in your team :confused: .

Meerdink is just a one day fly, had the time of his life broke a leg and will be the attacker of the quality of De Graafschap again, I doubt he'd even get a place in AZ's team now as Sektioui, Perez and Shota are on fire. Same goes for Mathijssen although he has more talent than Meerdink IMO.

Meerdink is a right winger, not left :S

1. van der Sar
2. Timmer
3. Stekelenberg

4. Opdam
5. Boulahrouz
6. Kronkamp
7. van Bronckhorst
8. Heitinga
9. Mathijsen
10. Nigel de Jong

11. Maduro
12. van der Vaart
13. Sneijder
14. Landzaat
15. Davids
16. van Bommel
17. Cocu

18. Babel
19. Robben
20. van Persie
21. van Nistelrooy
22. Makaay
23. Kuijt

It'd be good if Seedorf would be selected but from recent experiences it doesn't seem likely.

I never said Vlaar wasnt good enough, reread what I said. I said it in relation to van Bommel and their playing time, but when you call up van Bommel, like I did, then there's no reason not to call him up. And Vlaar will be mainly there to get experience, he would be my 5th choice centre back (Id rather line up Ooijer there in the important matches)

Meerdink really is a right winger? (H) Cool (H) Yes, I know so much about Dutch football (H)

http://www.talpa.tv/upload/131539_610_1129721190729-shirtje1.gif

Holland's new jersey according to Talpa.

That's bull****, we are sponsered by nike aren't we, so where is the swoosh mark.

The new home shirt is a deep orange coloured shirt, with collar. No pictures were allowed to be taken at the presentation yesterday, so any picture you see will be fake.

That would be a cool shirt though. I'd buy that.

I think the current Nike Holland jersey should be worn until the WC finals.

The term is usually used up every 2 years.

btw, I like the away white Holland jersey. It looks very appealing to me. T90 is so comfortable to wear.

http://www.talpa.tv/upload/131539_610_1129721190729-shirtje1.gif

Holland's new jersey according to Talpa.
lol are you kidding me? I'd wear that for waterpolo warmup.

i hope they go back to the orange top and black shorts. i think that looked better than the all orange kits. when they pictures come out, could someone post them please?

lol are you kidding me? I'd wear that for waterpolo warmup.

It's confirmed as the new away-shirt of Oranje. The home shirt hasn't been shown yet.

It's confirmed as the new away-shirt of Oranje. The home shirt hasn't been shown yet.
:-puke:

That jersey is just...:(


Holland were the ones with all the good kits.

Well actually I don't disgust it really. Good thing they finally got the nations flag in and not that stupid orange colour of the royalty.

I like it (Y) I will buy one, with nr.6 van Bommel (H)

He shouldnt be playing btw.

--Afellay--Maduro--Aissati--


(H)
edit: to the one who wants the Dutch NT to go back to orange black, they ARE gonna change the all orange to orange white. (I like that the best, orange shirt, white shorts and blue socks)

Yeah, I actually like this, it's really different (Y)

Van Bommel just scored soo...

--Afellay--van Bommel--Aissati--

:(

Squad: Edwin van der Sar (Manchester United), Henk Timmer (AZ Alkmaar); Urby Emanuelson (Ajax), Nigel de Jong (Ajax), Ron Vlaar (AZ Alkmaar), Giovanni van Bronckhorst (Barcelona), Joris Mathijsen (AZ Alkmaar), Khalid Boulahrouz (HSV Hamburg), Andre Ooijer (PSV Eindhoven), Jan Kromkamp (Villarreal); Hedwiges Maduro (Ajax), Wesley Sneijder (Ajax), Denny Landzaat (AZ Alkmaar), Rafael van der Vaart (HSV Hamburg), George Boateng (Middlesbrough), Philip Cocu (PSV Eindhoven); Ryan Babel (Ajax), Robin van Persie (Arsenal), Romeo Castelen (Feyenoord), Dirk Kuyt (Feyenoord), Ruud van Nistelrooy (Manchester United), Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink (PSV Eindhoven)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is the squad to face Italy obtained from skysports. Apparently, there is no Robben or van Bommel. I wish van Nistelrooy would be omitted also.

Pathetic. Calling up Boateng is just stupid. Surely Afellay should be called up in stead of Sneijder...

Afellay (and Aissati) were called up to the under 21 squad for the EC playoff with Slovenia. Strangely enough Van Basten didn't allow Emanuelson, Vlaar, Babel, and Maduro to join them as well, although De Haan did want to take them.

Does he think that one friendly is so instrumental in the preparation towards Germany that not using them in the first team is going to cause trouble next summer? I can understand he wants Maduro, as he is the one he aims to be playing at DMC in Germany, but the others will surely be no more than subs?

I don't see what's wrong with selecting Sneijder, damn hasn't anyone noticed his recent form streak, practically beeing the only player together with Hatem who are up the task for Ajax.

It's confirmed as the new away-shirt of Oranje. The home shirt hasn't been shown yet.

oh gosh.....the jersey just ............... :kader:

Afellay (and Aissati) were called up to the under 21 squad for the EC playoff with Slovenia. Strangely enough Van Basten didn't allow Emanuelson, Vlaar, Babel, and Maduro to join them as well, although De Haan did want to take them.

Does he think that one friendly is so instrumental in the preparation towards Germany that not using them in the first team is going to cause trouble next summer? I can understand he wants Maduro, as he is the one he aims to be playing at DMC in Germany, but the others will surely be no more than subs?Let me be honest and just say that I wholeheartedly agree for once...

Emanuelson was called up because de Cler is injured, but this is only a friendly. Is it really necessary to have back-up for Gio? I don't think so.

Mathijsen has played how many games since he has returned from his injury?

Anyone else noticed, Makaay has been dropped for the second time in a row... justifiably.

Oh, here's the U-21 squad....

Doel: Remko Pasveer (FC Twente), Boy Waterman (SC Heerenveen).

Verdediging: Edson Braafheid (FC Utrecht), Jeroen Drost (SC Heerenveen), Arnold Kruiswijk (FC Groningen), Gijs Luirink (FC Groningen), Dwight Tiendalli (FC Utrecht), Paul Verhaegh (FC Den Bosch), Ramon Zomer (FC Twente).

Middenveld: Ibrahim Afellay (PSV), Ismail Aissati (PSV), Stijn Schaars (AZ), Gianni Zuiverloon (RKC Waalwijk).

Aanval: Eljero Elia (ADO Den Haag), Klaas-Jan Huntelaar (SC Heerenveen), Julian Jenner (NAC), Quincy Owusu-Abeyie (Arsenal), Daniël de Ridder (Celta de Vigo).

Not a single Ajax player... we know why. 'Jongens die bij ons niet aan de bak komen, kunnen zich voor die wedstrijd op woensdag bij Foppe aansluiten', zegt Van Basten. 'We proberen het samen zo goed mogelijk op te lossen, maar het hoogste elftal gaat altijd voor.'And...Aisatti ontbrak in september op het WK onder 17, waar de Nederlandse jeugdploeg na een mooie zegetocht de bronzen medaille greep. 'Dat kwam door een communicatiestoornis met Onder 17-coach Ruud Kaiser', aldus De Haan. 'Hij heeft nu volmondig gezegd dat hij voor Jong Oranje wil spelen. Binnenkort zullen we nog in een goed gesprek alle kou uit de lucht halen.'A miscommunication? :|

No Ajax players indeed, but most of them are trained by our academy... :)

Van Basten called up Berlin's Ellery Cairo for the Italy game. :| :| :|

Afellay isnt allowed to go with the u-21 team, I heard, Hiddink thought he should rest because of his small injury.

Van Bommel in NT (Y) Not like he will play...

Good thing on calling up Jaliens. He's a good defender, I would take him above Vlaar at the moment.

Cairo :|

Van Bommel selected... than got injured during the very first practice. It's just not meant to be (H)

Cairo?! :|

Jaliens (Y)

Tough draw for the Oranje. But we definitely have the quality to win the group. Just need to have a top-notch performance against Argentina, re-live 2000 against Serbia, and be cautious with CIV.

I hope San Marco will draft a little more experience into his WC squad than that he had for the qualifying campaign.

"It's a good group to be in because you won't have very difficult clubs in the second round and we'll survive the poule" -Translation of a phrase Johan Cruijff said yesterday on the NOS. You know he's always right. (H)

Yeah, Mexico and Portugal are really easy opponents. Cruijff is the biggest poser ever.

We won't even advance from the group anyway. Not the way Van Basten plays. We need Cody as national manager.

Nah, Cody would select an all out PSV selection. (H) :p

Yes! Viva la revolution!

----------Zoetebier---------

--Lamey-Ooijer-Marcellis-Ball-(naturalise him!)-

----------Lucius------------

--Afellay--Cocu----Aissati---

----Vennegoor----Sibon----

Back ups include Hofland, Waterreus, Bouma, Lodewijks, Hoogstrate, Arvid Smit, Harrie Gommans (H), Erik Meijer, Zinedine Zidane (naturalise), Ronaldinho (naturalise) and Nesta (naturalise)

I don't value any of Cruijff's opinions anymore and I never will either. He always talks about knowing what's best for the country and especially Ajax. But as soon as someone like van Geel publicizes his views in public he starts moaning about it in his little ****ty column in de Telegraaf or in front of the NOS cameras during a post-match analysis. Cruijff is always right? To be honest, the last time he was right was when he decided to stop smoking.

And Unlike some of you, I have faith in van Basten. I think we're lucky that we're playing Argentinia last and I'm hoping they get the full six points in their first two games so that they rest some of their better players against us. Only team I'm really afraid of is Argentinia. They're the real deal and they can demolish us if we're having a bad day. I think we can deal with the Ivory Coast but Serbia (let's just call them Yugoslavia; it brings back memories from that day in Rotterdam 5 years ago) can be really tricky to play. Not only did they win their group ahead of Spain, they also have awesome players: Kezman, Zigic, Jevric and Milosevic.

Plus, we'll likely play Portugal if we do advance. Does anyone need to point our recent record against them?

If these dutchmen don't throw Argentina out i will hate you guys more. :D

OMFG :|

http://www.nos.nl/nosstudiosport/images/oranje_378_tcm45-217362.jpg

The new home jerseys are terrible, they have "rugby" written all over them. I'm actually beginning to like the away ones.

Well TBH, KJH has only been consistent for a few games so I think it's a little bit early yet and otherwise those PSV-fans(and others) will call Marco underserved a manager who only chooses Ajax players

friendly vs Ecuador tomorrow. I can't wait to see how this team will perform. VDV, Sneijder, VPersie are absent due to injuries tho. And Nick Hofs is selected to the squad... WTF

Should be boring, I'm gonna watch England v Uruguay, not much more intresting but atleast it's 99999999 times better broadcast by MOTD.

yea it was pretty boring... I ended up watching another "Orange" instead... Cote d'Ivoire. :p They're an exciting team. The WC group is gonna be hectic.

Well as predicted, pretty boring 1-0. Well atleast we've won. :rolleyes:

Haha, great Kalou wont become a Dutch citizen :rockman: the fool, now he can't play for the Netherlands, and he wont be able to play for Ivory Coast too, as the fans hate him. Serves him right for betraying his own country.

Haha he's in a real mess indeed, I think he only wanted to become Dutch to get a big transfer.
Always love to see 010 players in trouble. :D

And they're not even mentioning Sibon. He definitely should be there

And they're not even mentioning Sibon. He definitely should be there
HA...... HA...........

World Cup of Football, Cody. Not Darts.

Sibon's column in Sportweek is the best one out there, you got to admit, that already deserves a callup for the NT (H)

De voorlopige selectie voor het WK 2006:

Doel: Patrick Lodewijks (Feyenoord), Edwin van der Sar (Manchester United), Maarten Stekelenburg (Ajax) en Henk Timmer (AZ).

Verdediging: Khalid Boulahrouz (HSV), Wilfred Bouma (Aston Villa), Giovanni van Bronckhorst (Barcelona), Tim de Cler (AZ), Urby Emanuelson (Ajax), Kew Jaliens (AZ), Jan Kromkamp (Liverpool), Joris Mathijsen (AZ), André Ooijer (PSV), Barry Opdam (AZ) en Ron Vlaar (Feyenoord).

Middenveld: George Boateng (Middlesbrough), Mark van Bommel (Barcelona), Phillip Cocu (PSV), Edgar Davids (Tottenham Hotspur), Nigel de Jong (HSV), Denny Landzaat (AZ), Hedwiges Maduro (Ajax), Wesley Sneijder (Ajax) en Rafael van der Vaart (HSV).

Aanval: Ryan Babel (Ajax), Romeo Castelen (Feyenoord), Klaas-Jan Huntelaar (Ajax), Dirk Kuyt (Feyenoord), Martijn Meerdink (AZ), Ruud van Nistelrooy (Manchester United), Robin van Persie (Arsenal), Arjen Robben (Chelsea) en Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink (PSV).

The Hunter will deservedly travel to Germany! I have no doubts ...

can't believe Ryan Babel has been included in the provisional squad ... hasn't had enough playing time to warrant a call-up IMO; but hey, its great to see more Ajacied in Oranje ...

I wonder what the final 23 will look like ... ? There are a number of guaranteed spots, but there are still some tough decisions to be made ...

San Marco will definatly drop players like Jaliens, Meerdink, Boateng, Babel and Meerdink for the official squad, I'm sure.

We really need good wingbacks.

We really need good wingbacks.
thats what Urby's there for! :)

4 years from now, yes.

Left back is pretty well populated with Urby, De Cler and Van Bronckhorst. But I agree right-back is a rather big problem.

Noooooooooo! Klaas doesn't go to the WC instead that oversized pig Venegoor of Hesselink goes. Who said Marco prefers Ajax players?
Who would you rather take to the biggest tournament a striker that bagged 50 goals or a striker that bagged about 15 goals? Hmm, difficult choice. :rolleyes:

Here's the squad:

Keepers: Van der Sar (Manchester United), Timmer (AZ),Stekelenburg (Ajax)
Defenders: Jaliens,Mathijsen,De Cler (allen AZ),Boulahrouz (HSV),Kromkamp
(Liverpool),Ooijer (PSV),Heitinga (Ajax Van Bronckhorst (Barcelona)
Midfielders: Landzaat (AZ),Cocu (PSV), Sneijder (Ajax),Van Bommel (Barcelona),
Van der Vaart (HSV),Maduro (Ajax)
Attackers: Vennegoor of Hesselink (PSV), Van Nistelrooij (Manchester United), Robben (Chelsea),Van Persie (Arsenal), Kuijt (Feyenoord),Babel (Ajax)

I AM SO FUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKKIIIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGG PISSED OFF WITH VAN BASTEN OVER NOT SELECTING KLAAS-JAN!!!!

what a f*cking disgrace that Venegoor that piece of sh!t and even our own benchwarmer Ryan Babel gets to go, but THE HUNTER DOESN'T?!!!!

I haven't posted on SG for a while as I've been busy preparing for my summer in Europe (Champions League Final, World Cup, et al) ... but thats left a real bitter taste in my mouth ... I'm still going to watch the bloody games (coz I finally got tickets for Oranje), but we better have one hell of a World Cup if Van Basten is going to get my forgiveness ...

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FVCKN KIDDING ME!!!

now that is flippin pathetic... I've always respected van Basten's great decisions but this time, hell no! You can't even compare Hasselink to KJH!!!

The only reasonable reason I see is that van Basten wants to give the old hitmen (RVN, Hasselink) a last run in perhaps the last WC in their lives. KJH meanwhile is still young and van Basten thinks he still has 3 or 4 WCs waiting for him in the future...

:kader: :kader: :kader:

Now my sig doesn't even make sense.

Let's all hope someone 'accidently' breaks Husslelink's legs for the sake of Oranje.

Let's all hope someone 'accidently' breaks Husslelink's legs for the sake of Oranje.
yea and then watch Romeo Castelen gets called up :p

Van Basten is an Hypocrit, KJH should be in the squad and should be the starter...He is the best striker in Holland and top 5 in Europe right now...And Bad Luck? I guess they just wrote players names on pieces of paper, threw them in a hat or something and picked them without looking...maybe thats the reason he is saying klass had bad luck. If someone gets injured and get called I would love to see him say No thanks!

Vennegoor is the pinchhitter. The only competition for his spot is Pierre van Hooijdonk. Kuijt is first choice for the right wing, leaving Van Nistelrooij as Huntelaar's only competitor for the spot of first striker. Surely Van Nistelrooij is more appropriate than Huntelaar.

Form-wise, i dont think so. Of course, Ruud has more class on him, but Huntelaar deserved a call up, maybe not in place of Ruud, but someone else.

Vennegoor is the pinchhitter. The only competition for his spot is Pierre van Hooijdonk. Kuijt is first choice for the right wing, leaving Van Nistelrooij as Huntelaar's only competitor for the spot of first striker. Surely Van Nistelrooij is more appropriate than Huntelaar.
no... van Basten said he has 2 players for every position, so clearly Robben & Babel are for the left, Kuijt and RVP for the right, and RVN and Vennegoor for the centre. That is just injustice there because KJH definitely should've been in that spot instead of Vennegoor.

Well Husslelink was brought in the squad to be our 'breekijzer' but we won't need one if Klaas has already put us on a safe distance. :rolleyes:

Good game vs Cameroon yesterday I think guys. Especially in the first half of first half( :p ) we played great.

With Serbia and Ivory Coast playing boring and bad, I'm getting optimistic. (Y)

Hey, did you guys already come across the EA Germany's Fifa World Cup commericals?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9pwr3fkqhZA&search=stop%20holland
stop-holland.de

And your fans are not really going to wear de oranje helms, are they? :D

People wearing them can be stopped at the gates and put on a train to Poland, for all I care. Worst joke ever.

Who do guys think will be your starting lineup for the game on thursday versus Mexico in Eindhoven?

What you guys crap about the Oranje helmets. Should've stopped Hitler in 1933 if you wanted to avoid that. Now it's eigen schuld dikke bult. (H)

*prepares for series of insults of Germans*

It's more an insult to the people killed in camps during WWII than it is to Germans.

I don't feel insulted by your fans wearing Wehrmacht helmets. I can supply them with iron crosses if they want to . (H)

Extremely bad taste indeed. Only an ignorant pig would think of wearing one of those helmets in Germany. The same company tried to export them to England too but they were banned from selling them here. Correct decision in my opinion.

It sure does Holland no favours in the eyes of the World, to see its citizens wearing such attire. Pathetic....... :kader:

Calm down guys, it's just a joke, a silly one perhaps but still.
And don't think I'm going to wear one but I can see the humor of it.

**** the Krauts.

went to the store and bought a t-shirt today that I'll be wearing to school on the Oranje's matchdays! It says "NEDERLAND" on the back and has the KNVB logo on the front. Nothing special for you guys but I bet I'll be the only one to wear it here! Gotta wear my Robben jersey too! I'm soooooooo pumped for the WC!!! :)

http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/4623/picture285ak.jpg

That's the same shirt a Japanese reporter was wearing at the NT training yesterday. :p

Van der Vaart hurt his ankle again, let's all cross our fingers and hope he'll be ok. :(

I'll be wearing this for the WC.

http://shop.cruyff-foundation.org/MEDIA/CustomProductCatalog/m520098_JCF_8910205_sm.jpg

(H)

I will be donning this in support of the Oranje.
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/299/holtotalfootballtt2006c5bb.gif

I hope they go all the way, WC 98 (semis), Euro 2000 (semis), WC 02 (cockup), Euro 04 (semis) not too bad a track record if you ask me. Fingers crossed and if they do get to the final i will be supporting them in spirit as i won't be able to watch the final due to unforseen circumstances. :( :( :( :( :(

That's the same shirt a Japanese reporter was wearing at the NT training yesterday. :p
oh really? damn that sucks lol. well, that was probably the best "fan ware" I could get in my city. Canada sucks when it comes to these things. :boohoo:

i have faith in our team...i think we can go a long way. But first we need a good performance against mexico

fingers crossed for van der Vaart, hopefully he'll be back for some action in the group stage.

man we need to be scoring more goals... that is why the aus got back in the game.... well a draw not too bad but expected a win.

Injured VoH = Klaas = more goals. :D

Unfortunatly VoH is not injured. :(

Sneijder Injury. Man i was gutted when i heard that. Looks quite bad, just hope its not as bad as it first appears and he can still play. Quality player (Y)

I think he won't make it.
I hope Marco will call Davids into action to replace him.

noooooooooooooo!!! Sneijder!!!!!! :( :nape:

and I don't think van der Vaart will make it either. This is soooooooo disappointing!

Interesting news though: coming wednesday is the deadline for van der Vaart, if he's not in shape he can forget about the WC. I really hope that he will go to Germany with our guys cause he is very important when he is playing.
However....I just heard on tv that when vdV won't make it, van Basten will choose a Young Oranje player to replace him and maybe this could be Klaas-Jan Huntelaar. Neeskens and Gullit just told on tv that van Basten would be a fool not to take him along to the WC and I agree but then again I never understood in the first place why he picked JvH over KJH.
I mean KJH became topscorer on the European Championship under 21 with 4 goals I rest my case..

BTW CAMPEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE UNDER 21 WELL DONE LADS :lui: :lui:

Well, could Klaas shut van Basten's mouth any better than by becoming the topscorer of the tournament, all-time topscorer of Oranje under 21 and scoring 2 in the final?

Fortunatly I was wrong guys; Sneijder is gonna make it to the WC just as Gio! (Y)

But still it remains the question wheter Raffie, Jaliens and Cocu can make it. :(

THANK GOD! It's good to hear that we'll have one of Sneijder/van der Vaart at least. I'm praying for vdv and Cocu, they're too important to miss it.

Screw Jaliens, call up KJH to replace him lol, nothing wrong with more attackers. :p

Still doubts. Right now it seems Jaliens and Gio will be fine, but Sneijder, Vd Vaart, and Cocu are still no certainties. Nigel de Jong and Stijn Schaars have been added as backups to the training squad, and could come in as replacements until 24h before the match against Serbia and Montenegro.

bring back my man kluivert!

Huntelaar was never an option according to van Basten so that's that!
With Nigel de Jong and Stijn Schaars the team has been completed and they are in Germany right now. Can't wait can't wait :lui:

According to studiosport.nl both Cocu and Sneijder are gonna make it. So the only question marks remain Jaliens and Raffie.

Who cares about Jaliens, he is a mediocre defender if you ask me :rolleyes:
If I were Marco I would've left his @ss home and picked Huntelaar to go in his place.

Raffie has to make it, i don't care about Jaliens, Boulahrouz and Heitinga are way better than him.

I don't care either about Jaliens we've got about 5 players now that can play on right back.