SuperLiga first big match is next sunday at Da Luz. The stadium is already sold out. And the temperature among the fans of the two teams is already very HOT.

Benfica lead the SuperLiga with 13 points and Porto is the third with 9. Porto must win or at least draw to don't see Benfica open a big point difference.

MY prediction: 2-0 :)

Benfica all the way 1-0

Porto 2-0. McCarthy, Postiga.

I don't know what to expect.. a month ago I would be sure Benfica would win this one, but lately Porto seems to be getting back into gear, but so have we, so..

a Benfica win over Porto would be a HUGE boost right now, both for points and team morale!

I love big matches.

2-1 Benfica.

hoping for a win but I would be happy with a draw

I predict a 1-1 draw with Simão and Derlei scoring. This thread will prolly hit the 20 pages also. From a neutral perspective, i just hope that it´s a great game without many disciplinary cases or dubious referee calls.

2-1 FCP
Maniche and Benni to score

We'll win the game. I just know we will.

Benfica defeated Pinhalnovense 3-0 today in a training match.


Cadete thinks that Benfica is the favourite to win and deserves to be in the lead :p

Benfica.

Originally posted by sky.
Porto 2-0. McCarthy, Postiga.

How do ppl still count on this postiga guy to score? Is so freakin' overrated! Since the season started he has been on of the worst fcp players, and hasn't scored a single goal...

anyway I'll go for 1-0 Simao, or 1-1 by Derlei

Benfica. (H)

Benfica 2 - 0 Porto

(Simão and Nuno Gomes)

I'll be there :p

i'm not as confident as Infesta, i hope we can win it, but a draw can be considered a good result also...but if we loose it will be very dificult, and unlikely, to catch up with Benfica

Porto will win this match, it's a feeling i have, i'm very confident the result will be 0-2... (H) BTW bmpv666 i don't think a draw is a good result, even playing as a visitor in a big match like this, with the team we have we must win ALL the matches in our league, no excuses. I'll only be happy with a draw if Benfica plays better than us(which i don't think it will happen in this game) or if the ref rob us... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by [dfm]
or if the ref rob us... :rolleyes:

preparing the excuses already? :rolleyes:

my hate for benfica has grown even more, i'm completely disgusted by what your ******* president has done.

To everybody on this forum, Benfica are a bunch of no good ****in ppl. first they don't give Porto any tickets for the game, then when porto fans go to lisbon to buy tickets they don't sell them and the Porto fans who actually got tickets won't be let in. How's that for a well run team:rolleyes:

that is pathetic. I can just see this turning into a disater. Many pple will get injured and who knows same my even get killed. all thanks to one man, Benfica president, Luis Filipe Vieira.

I cant wait for this game, but the ref better not rob benfica like they did to porto hahaha...funny memory now:D

I predict a 2-2 tie.

Petit and Simao score for Benfica, with Maniche and McCarthy scoring for Porto.

Originally posted by Paulo Da Silva
my hate for benfica has grown even more, i'm completely disgusted by what your ******* president has done.

To everybody on this forum, Benfica are a bunch of no good ****in ppl. first they don't give Porto any tickets for the game, then when porto fans go to lisbon to buy tickets they don't sell them and the Porto fans who actually got tickets won't be let in. How's that for a well run team:rolleyes:

that is pathetic. I can just see this turning into a disater. Many pple will get injured and who knows same my even get killed. all thanks to one man, Benfica president, Luis Filipe Vieira.

Can't agree more, LFV is an idiot, if something bad happens next sunday he'll be the guilty.

Originally posted by Benfiquista
I cant wait for this game, but the ref better not rob benfica like they did to porto hahaha...funny memory now:D

What the hell are u talking about? :|

Benfica 2-1

Originally posted by Paulo Da Silva
my hate for benfica has grown even more, i'm completely disgusted by what your ******* president has done.

To everybody on this forum, Benfica are a bunch of no good ****in ppl. first they don't give Porto any tickets for the game, then when porto fans go to lisbon to buy tickets they don't sell them and the Porto fans who actually got tickets won't be let in. How's that for a well run team:rolleyes:

that is pathetic. I can just see this turning into a disater. Many pple will get injured and who knows same my even get killed. all thanks to one man, Benfica president, Luis Filipe Vieira.

Like it's SLB's fault that FCP didn't ask for tickets on time, and waited till 2 days after the deadline:rolleyes: And PDC saying his team won't show up because of security fears:rolleyes: another pathetic excuse since there will be twice as much security as the Supertaca final.

For me don't show up that will be 3 free points for us and point decution to FCP has a penatly.

Originally posted by [dfm]
Can't agree more, LFV is an idiot, if something bad happens next sunday he'll be the guilty.

if something happen the guilty is the people that make the bad action... or SD could make everything they want just because Benfica didn't gave tickets to Porto?

wow boys, let's spank and rob some fans because the guilty will be LFV... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Paulo Da Silva

To everybody on this forum, Benfica are a bunch of no good ****in ppl. first they don't give Porto any tickets for the game, then when porto fans go to lisbon to buy tickets they don't sell them and the Porto fans who actually got tickets won't be let in. How's that for a well run team:rolleyes:


won't be let in? LOL pathetic... instead of saying that your hate increased bla bla, informed your self better.

PORTO WILL WIN!!!

Benfica 1 vs 3 F.C.Porto

Goals:
Simao x1

Costinha x1
Diego x1
McCarthy x1

I CAN'T WAIT THE GAME!!!

POOOOOOOOOOOORTOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
ADC1987(H)

even if Porto didn't request tickets in time, it's just not right what Benfica is doing! Are u fn' afraid of 3,000, 4,000 portistas? I must say that was the most unfair-play move in the last 10/15 years by a portuguese team! really really really really really really low!!! rock bottom!

2-0 for us.

RR and Geo to score.

Originally posted by Funky--K
even if Porto didn't request tickets in time, it's just not right what Benfica is doing! Are u fn' afraid of 3,000, 4,000 portistas?

Porto didn't requested the tickets in time so Benfica offered the number of tickets available: 1008... simple... :rolleyes:

and Sporting made a worst thing last year, because Porto requested the tickets and Sporting didn't gave them...

I don't care anymore with the tickets issue, SD and Porto fans will be there anyway to see Porto winning one more game. :hump:

Benfica 2 - 2 Porto

Forza Porto !!! :rockman:

all this ticket story just stinks! funny how it started in a man that defended the "pacificação" of portuguese football after Feher's death...i don't think this kind of attitudes from him or Benfica are doing any better to our football :rolleyes:

Originally posted by bmpv666
all this ticket story just stinks! funny how it started in a man that defended the "pacificação" of portuguese football after Feher's death...i don't think this kind of attitudes from him or Benfica are doing any better to our football :rolleyes:

LFV is what i call an "oportunista", after Fehér's death he even said he was thinking in retire from football and now he's acting like a clown... that's the portuguese football at his best... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Punkt
Porto didn't requested the tickets in time so Benfica offered the number of tickets available: 1008... simple... :rolleyes:

and Sporting made a worst thing last year, because Porto requested the tickets and Sporting didn't gave them...

Exactly, the clown here it's not LFV...

It was Porto fault, the only clowns here are the one's who want to change the game to another day... :rolleyes:

how the **** is it Porto's fault. we asked for the tickets you didn't give them. Easy you guys should be punished, know Benfica says that the tickets are fake and the porto fans won't be let in.

Punkt i'm well informed, it was on rtp, so i know what the **** i'm saying idiot.

everybody on this forums know how SD are and they won't like the fact that they won't be allowed in. . Cuz of Benfica there might not even be a game. Thank you very much. Imagine 2 porto fans in the middle of 20 000 benfica supporters in every section. Very safe, i got to say. Very ***in safe.


Benfica had to save a certain amount of tickets for us. You didn't. I just feel sorry for all those fans that will get involved in what Luis Filipe Vieira has done, while he's sitting comfortably in his presidential suite.

Originally posted by Paulo Da Silva
how the **** is it Porto's fault. we asked for the tickets you didn't give them. Easy you guys should be punished, know Benfica says that the tickets are fake and the porto fans won't be let in.

Punkt i'm well informed, it was on rtp, so i know what the **** i'm saying idiot.



I just saw on TVI now that the "Liga de Clubes" confirmed that F.C.Porto didn't ask for the tickets on time... That's the reason of this sh*t! You should ask for them on time... But, even with this error, LFV could give you the tickets(if he wanted to), IF some of porto f*ckin idiots didn't "insult" Benfica organization...


You failed, end of story.

--EDIT-- But seeing that everything is in order now, i think we should talk about the GAME.

This is football showing the worst face of some people. Funny how pillars like 'Logic', 'Reason' or 'Common-sense' are thrown away in the garbage just because some moron who runs your little club (be it Porto or Benfica) says so.
At the end of the day, this is just football, and I think for myself, thank you very much.

This case is very simple to me:

- Porto didn't ask for tickets on time. Their mistake absolutely.
[On a sidenote, I wonder how often this happens in the Superliga. Was this a first time event?]

- Benfica's board already knew they'd get asked for tickets by Porto - many tickets; they also knew all tickets available could easily be sold on the night of the game to Benfica's fans - so why the rush in selling those couple thousands anyway?



Lets be honest here, Porto made a mistake and LFV used that to put the lives of many - especially the kind of people from Lisbon who go to matches with their family - at stake, just because he has a personal thing against PdC for years. Bottom line, this is a feud between 2 egotistical presidents, and now one of them has gone too far.

Porto is worried with their fans? In my opinion Benfica should be even more worried. We all know SDs are a dangerous group who follows their leaders with a complete lack of brain tissue involved in the process.

Look, I don't always agree with my president, but whoever can't see the low and potentially dangerous attitude of Luis Vieira just because Porto didn't ask for tickets on time has some serious flaws in their personality.

I'm really pissed off at this moron. It's not about Benfica, its supporters and players, it's about a moron that can cause a tragedy because of something minor.

5-0 Trappatoni's team

The main problem here is the type of ppl that we have as "dirigentes". If we analyze this from the start, we can conclude that this affair could be easily solved if we had reasonable ppl leading the clubs. Ok Fc Porto didn´t ask for the tickets before the deadline but cmon guys be reasonable. This was a mere burocratic problem who could have been solved by the two chairmans with a simple talk. But both parts choose to "radicalizar" their positions in order to please their own supporters. We all know that Luis Filipe Vieira used this affair for his own purposes, for his mediocre show off and to please the most radical supporters in Benfica. He was already talking about his re-election in his demagogic speech and antagonizing both our governament and Fc Porto.
Fc Porto was unable to issue a public apology or admit that they made a mistake in forgetting to ask for the tickets. They were too proud to admit their own error. And by that, they did exactly what LFV wanted.
Now we have an even more tense "clássico" and altough LFV gave his word that everything will be alright and that there will be no problems, i have my doubts. Imagine if the referee has a bad performance, it will be extremely hard to control both supporters. They are all over the stadium in various sectors and even with a police control sistem, it´s very hard to split the different supporters. Imagine if they get in the stadium without anything to distinguish themselves from the rival fans. It will be a "barril de pólvora".
The "dirigentes" must realize that they have responsabilities and that they can´t put their personal problems in front of their real duties. We ain´t dealing with tires, we are dealing with families or individuals.
The level of our "dirigentes" should follow the evolution of our professional football structure. We still have "dirigentes" with a type of belicist mentality from the past.

Originally posted by Paulo Da Silva
how the **** is it Porto's fault. we asked for the tickets you didn't give them. Easy you guys should be punished, know Benfica says that the tickets are fake and the porto fans won't be let in.


fake tickets will not enter for sure... if a Porto fan has a valid tickets off course he will enter... and porto didn't asked the tickets.. end of story... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Punkt
fake tickets will not enter for sure... if a Porto fan has a valid tickets off course he will enter... and porto didn't asked the tickets.. end of story... :rolleyes:


sure they will enter, porto fans will enter by the garage with no, or almost no ticket control... at least that's how it happened last year... against both porto and sporting.

i'll be there tomorrow!(H)


and i have my ticket!!!!! :D it's not a fake!

Luis Fabiano is out of the classic.

Deco thinks that Benfica is the favourite.

Players called:

BENFICA:

Guarda-redes: Moreira e Quim

Defesas: Amoreirinha, Luisão, Miguel, Ricardo Rocha, Argel, Dos Santos e Fyssas

Médios: Petit, Manuel Fernandes, Zahovic, Paulo Almeida, João Pereira, Bruno Aguiar, Geovanni, Simão

Avançados: Nuno Gomes, Sokota e Karadas

==

PORTO:

Guarda-redes: Vítor Baía e Nuno

Defesas: Jorge Costa, Ricardo Costa, Pepe, Seitaridis e Areias

Médios: Costinha, Bosingwa, Hugo Leal, Diego, Maniche, Raul Meireles, Carlos Alberto, Quaresma

Avançados: Hélder Postiga, Derlei, McCarthy e Hugo Almeida

5 hours to kick off :D

OFFICIAL LINE UPS:

BENFICA:

-------------------------- Moreira ------------------------------

Miguel ------------ Luisao -------- Rocha --------- Fyssas

---------------------- Petit ---------- Fernandes ---------------

Pereira ----------------- Geovanni --------------- Simao

------------------------- Nuno Gomes-----------------------------

PORTO:

------------------------------- Baia ----------------------------------

Seitaridis ------- Jorge Costa ----- Pepe ----------- R. Costa

-------------------- Costinha --------- Maniche -------------------

---------------C. Alberto --------------------- Diego -------------------

----------------------Derlei------- McCarthy ------------------------------

Hyped up and I still got to wait untill 3.30am to watch this... :(
So 9 hours to go for me
Damn, life's unfair :(

Here's hoping that the Portuguese channel i get here in Brazil through cable TV shows the game. Is Sporting vs Estoril today too or was it yesterday? I remember them annoucing this game.

Originally posted by Grunger
Here's hoping that the Portuguese channel i get here in Brazil through cable TV shows the game. Is Sporting vs Estoril today too or was it yesterday? I remember them annoucing this game.

Yesterday
Sporting won 4-1

If you are talking about RTP Internacional, they will pass the game taped. The live coverage is at SportTV.

I think i've got the 2nd one. Gotta check it later.

i would like 2 c portugish football in malaysia but here we only have spanish la liga, epl ,serie A & Japan League... we hope dat someone can bring this league to malaysia very soon....:)

My wishlist:
Bundesliga
Portugal League
Scottish League
French League
English First Divison
Asian Champions League
Korean League
:hump:

Believe me, the level of football in the English First Division is pretty mediocre. Just look at how the newly promoted teams do in the EPL. You wouldnt want to watch it.

COM UMA FORCA QUE NINGUEM PODEM MATAR!!!!

VAMOS PORTO!!!!!! VAMOS PORTO!!!!! OLE OLE OLE!!!

MATA OS MOUROS (heh heh ;) )

BoooooBooooo:)

25 minutes left ;)

Sokota will not seat in the bench.

bitches, where is Zahovic? He must play, he'll score :).

Originally posted by Drvar
bitches, where is Zahovic? He must play, he'll score :).

Za is in the bench, geovanni is in better shape and zahovic only make good games when he enter in the last 30 minutes. :p

Is it on any British channels anyone know? Eurosport might have it but I doubt it :(

Goal McCarthy 0-1

I'm not getting the game. The channel here is something like SiC Internacional.

Originally posted by Grunger
I'm not getting the game. The channel here is something like SiC Internacional.

SIC International doesn't broadcast the game

at HT Benfica 0 - 1 Porto :D
so far so good, let's see how the 2nd half goes for us ;)

Half time: 0-1

great goal of McCarthy with a terrible blunder of Fyssas... :kader:


we sucked hard in the first half and Porto controlled totally the midfield. :rolleyes:

porra os tripeiros têm sempre um ranço do caraças qdo é preciso :p

but yeah we've been total sh*te.

What was the goal like?

Pepe and Nuno Gomes sent off.

The usual stuff....

the usual sh*t the ref robbed us a clear goal :kader:

the usual robbery... a penalty, a goal that wasn't marked... :kader:

it's impossible to play against Porto...every year is the same **** Porto plays with 14 men.

Originally posted by [dfm]
or if the ref rob us... :rolleyes:

so he made a good service wasn't it? :kader:

WE WON! :clapwap: :bob:

nahhhhhhhhhhhhh the ref only robbed in the cup final... of course

Benfica's 1st half was very but very poor... Why do they always waste entire halfs like that? Why everytime they play against Porto they become nervous? I don't understand...
And that goal. A lucky shot from far away...
The assistant refferee should be erradicated from football, and all sports in general, he took from us a penalty and a goal! The ball entered the net!
It's very hard to lose a game like this...
Benfica played like crap in the 1st half, but Porto simply didn't exist in the 2nd!
As always the 'portistas' were luckier than us. As always we failed in an important match!

PS: Did you see Carolina Salgado? side by side with Helder (the guy who's threatning Mourinho), and in the end of the match, making obscene gestures... Pinto da Costa sure picks 'em well :D
Uma mula!

this result is a fake. it's discusting :kader:

... no more words needed

Depois desta jornada, o Benfica iniciou o caminho sem retorno ao lugar que lhe cabe no futebol português actual, o terceiro.

E isto apesar de mais um frango do Vítor Baía. Já foram quantos, este ano?

That assist ref should be empaled in a 2 metres stick!

Originally posted by SCP19O6
Depois desta jornada, o Benfica iniciou o caminho sem retorno ao lugar que lhe cabe no futebol português actual, o terceiro.

E isto apesar de mais um frango do Vítor Baía. Já foram quantos, este ano?


é o Sporting que fica em 2º? LOL vejam la é se não descem...:rolleyes:

e dizes bem frango do Baia. Golo do Benfica... :kader:

PS: O Benfica ainda está em 1º e o Porto em 3º... só para relembrar...

GRANDE PORTO!!!

GANHAMOS!!! :rockman: :hump: :rockman: :hump:

At first...3000 people, in a place of 1008??!?!?!? WHAT THE HELL?
That was ridiculous! But the SUPER DRAGOES DEMONSTRATE THAT THE PORTO FANS ARE THE BEST FANS IN THE WORLD!!!

The first half was our's! The 2nd from Benfica!

Great game for us! Nuno Gomes must be sent off but Pepe NOT!

I don't know if the ball from Petit is in or not...at first, the ball is on the line...and then it's hard to describe...

But that was the only chance that Benfica had, to score in the 2nd half...every time crosses from the two sides...but no 100 % opportunities...

Porto controlled the game!

And know we are 1 point away from Benfica!

O PRIMEIRO LUGAR É NOSSO!!!
ALLEZ ALLEZ PORTO ALLEZ
ALLEZ ALLEZ PORTO ALLEZ
ALLEZ ALLEZ PORTO ALLEZ
PORTO ALLEEEEZ PORTO ALLEEEEZ

ADC:rockman:

Originally posted by panduru
Benfica's 1st half was very but very poor... Why do they always waste entire halfs like that? Why everytime they play against Porto they become nervous? I don't understand...
And that goal. A lucky shot from far away...
The assistant refferee should be erradicated from football, and all sports in general, he took from us a penalty and a goal! The ball entered the net!
It's very hard to lose a game like this...
Benfica played like crap in the 1st half, but Porto simply didn't exist in the 2nd!
As always the 'portistas' were luckier than us. As always we failed in an important match!

PS: Did you see Carolina Salgado? side by side with Helder (the guy who's threatning Mourinho), and in the end of the match, making obscene gestures... Pinto da Costa sure picks 'em well :D
Uma mula!

I'm too upset to talk about this... I think you expressed very well my point of view...

In short: in the 1st half we were sh!t and Porto dominated totally; in the 2nd we absolutely owned Porto (they only had 1 shot, at the end of the game); we were ROBBED - a clear penalty and a clear goal...

Fair result (and the actual result, because we did score) 1-1... A fraud, really.

Anyway, congrats Porto, but we still are leaders.

Originally posted by SCP19O6
Depois desta jornada, o Benfica iniciou o caminho sem retorno ao lugar que lhe cabe no futebol português actual, o terceiro.

LOL... Speaks who? The third portuguese club (clearly, just look at their trophies and history and compare them with Benfica and Porto), that ended 3rd in the last two years. Sportinguistas are so lunatic, they are really funny people! I guess they learn with Dias da Cunha... :p

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

6 millions todos caladinhos.lol

where the **** did you guys see a PK. The only mistake the ref made was not allowing the goal and giving Pepe the red card.

we raped you in the first, you raped us in the second. benni scored a great goal.

Fyssas should have had a yellow when he pushed Seitaridis.

Nuno Gomes is a hack. He attacks Pepe and then fakes an injury. What a ****er. Then Pepe gets a red. It should have been Pepe yellow and Gomes red. If the ref had gotten that right the game would have been different and we would dominate. So the ref ****ed up for both sides.

Even though we won i'm not to pleased cuz of our second half display and the dissalowed goal, but i'll take it anyway and i'll laugh at Punkt's gay display name.lol

my player be player analysis:
Moreira(3)-had no fault on the goal. was secure when he had to be.
Miguel(4)- Benfica's best player, only player that tried to do something in the 1st half.
Luisao-(3) regular
Ricardo Rocha(2) wasn't to sedure in the first half, second half didn't have to do anything
Fyssas(1)utter **** and at fault on the goal
Petit(2)had trouble with Diego coudn't cantain him fully
Fernades(3)regualt performance
Geovanni(1) what a waste of player.
Simao(2) Seiatridis owned him today.
Pereira(2) didn't have enough time to show himself
Karadas(2) battles alot but nothing else
Gomes(1) red carded, faked a beating and didn't even touch the ball
Zahovic(1)it's Zahovic.....plus he came in too late.

Baia(2)****ed up a perfect performance with his blunder
Seitaridis(4)what a player.Showed Euro 2004 class
Jorge Costa(5)he was a monster today. Didn't lose any battles
Pepe(2)continues to look shaky
Ricardo Costa(4)looked like a real left back today. Congrats Ricardo Costa
Costinha(2) helped out defensively, but wasn't great and hardly shoed up in the game.
Maniche(3) regular. missed a sure goal
Diego(3) played great in the first, then Fernadez decides to play D and it kills Diego
Alberto(1) did nothing all game.
Derlei(1)lost everyball he had
Benni(2)scored and did absolutely nothing else
Areias(1)came in did his job
Quaresma(1) should of had came in earlier.
Bosigwa(2) helped ou a lot in midfield and got us some important fouls towards the end

That was clear goal. When the ball hit the limit of the goal line, it was obvious that with the trajectory the ball was completely in. I also have some doubts in that Karadas/Seitaridis play, it looked like a penalty.
Discussing football now, i think that Porto dominated the first half and that the second half was somewhat even with a natural pressure from Benfica without any clear goal chances besides the Karadas chance and the Petit "goal". Even so perhaps a draw was a more fair result.
I still can´t understand why Benfica can´t perform decently at home in the big games, 1-3 against Sporting, 1-1 against Porto last year and losing 0-1 this year with Porto again. It must be a mental thing since i think that the attitude was adequate.

ADC1987---->we do not have the best fans, by far we do not. I hate the Super Dragoes with a ***in passion.

Karadas/ Seitaridis play was nothing. the guy was falling before Seitaridis was there and even the ball.

Benfica dominated the 2nd, but had no clear chance for a goal.

dias da cunha is right

there is a system

i'd love to see PdC bitching about the refs now...

Originally posted by Virgo
... no more words needed

wow i dont know if thats in or not looks in to me

Whateva. It´s your opinion. I have mine and it´s similiar with the one from the Sporttv reporter. He lost his balance and couldnt shoot properly because of Seitaridis push. That´s my view of the play.

Originally posted by Nakamura
LOL... Speaks who? The third portuguese club (clearly, just look at their trophies and history and compare them with Benfica and Porto), that ended 3rd in the last two years. Sportinguistas are so lunatic, they are really funny people! I guess they learn with Dias da Cunha... :p

Originally posted by Punkt
é o Sporting que fica em 2º? LOL vejam la é se não descem...

LOL... Now , i hadn't posted here frequently or recently , so maybe you will see this as some kind of provocative intervention , but heck... i'll even write in our language , for a proper response for your tense interventions...

Eu até compreendo que possam estar revoltados com as imprecisões daquele sr que se auto-intitula como sendo arbitro de futebol... mas... o que me deixa estupefacto é essa ausencia de humor... vocês , benfiquistas... ultimamente , até primavam por um optimo humor... :confused: O rapaz fez apenas um comentário , com um teor provocatório , mas muitos têm sido feitos ultimamente , em relação ao Sporting... Nós ouvimos e lemos , e de forma constante , piadas acerca da eventual descida do Sporting , piadas sobre a debilidade mental do Peseiro e DDC (bem , mas neste ultimo aspecto , geralmente as piadas até reflectem a realidade ;)) lol... Curem essa azia pah... :p discutam acerca do jogo , do arbitro... mas não envolvam o Sporting... se fosse o contrário , aposto que surgiriam os comentários já desgastados " ah , o benfica é mesmo muito grande , é sempre referido , seja qual for a questão"... :boohoo:

Nakamura , pelo que leio das tuas intervenções , até te julgo uma pessoa sensata , consciente , e imparcial o suficiente , no que toca a análises futebolisticas... Por isso , estranho imenso essa reacção tão impetuosa ... e , permite-me uma observação... o Sporting é realmente , a nivel de palmáres FUTEBOLISTICO , o terceiro clube de futebol do país... ( não confundir com palmarés desportivo ) e não vejo porquê não o admitir , ao contrário de muitos benfiquistas que se recusam a admitir , por exemplo , que o porto tem um melhor palmáres futebolistico , a nivel internacional...

E por falar em humor... que momento sublime , esta conferência de imprensa , cujos principais intervenientes foram o Pneus Vieira e o Zé Veiga... absolutamente brilhante... o ridiculo do futebol português , uma vez mais , no seu expoente. :-puke:

Originally posted by Simao20
dias da cunha is right

there is a system



This is too funny, lol

When Benfica wins, DdC is a lunatic, when Benfica loses, he's right.. Go figure...

sairam da toca agora?


my comments on the game: :kader:

the better team won.

wat a goal from Benni(H)

My views on the three crucial events:

- The alleged penalty: did no one notice how it was Karadas who pulled Giourkas down. This made both players slip, causing this "event" to look like a fault by Seitaridis. Look closely and you'll see Giourkas not even using arms nor hands during that phase.

- The dissallowed goal: first I was absolutely sure it was in. But, after using slo-mo on the tape - I tape every big game - you could clearly see chalk coming up when the ball bounces. Surely you can create the fact of the ball passing the line when doing multiple re-runs in quick succession, like the SporTv director did. But, if you taped this game, look closely, use everything in your power to check things in detail and you'll see the ball bouncing ON the line. Yes, a part of the ball went over, but as I learned: the goal only counts when it goes 100% over the line, not for 1/3 or 2/3...

- The red card situation: can someone tell me since when it's bad to retalliate when you just got 'Cantonated'. Yes, Pepe deserved a card, but I'd rather give a yellow seeing the situation. btw, can someone show me a clear look of what Pepe really did? Cause - surprisingly :rolleyes: - the only camera image SporTv showed us was from about 30-40 metres away. I couldn't even see if Pepe actualy did something to deserve a red!

Still, we have to keep in mind that this was "O Classico" and things like this happen every year.
atm I'm damn happy, this just made my day :D and it'll be a week long festa!!!

FORCA PORTO...!!!

wow what a party you'll have with your stolen result

really man if you don't want to see the image I posted then don't, just don't post and make a total fool out of yourself

congrats !!

Virgo after seeing that image I have to agree, the ball was in.

This is 3 games in the time of 7 days with 3 disallowed goals which in my opinion should have been.

Scotland's goal.
Brazil's goal - NOBODY CAN DISPUTE THIS. REFEREE MUST BE KICKING HIMSELF.

and now this one.

You, Portistas should be ashamed of winning games like this...

Anyway, we play against a better team, that's the reason of our lost... Yeah, the refering team

:Bow: to them! You guys should love them don't you?

Apito Dourado ou Apito Abafado?

I change my prediction about who will be the champion, yeah... Porto will, after a game like this what can we say? In fact, i must be stupid if i thought Benfica would be... Congrats Porto on winning another game like this...

Jesus, do you guys feel well after this winning? I wouldn't... do you guys no what "Fair winning" means? I don't think so... :rolleyes:

Baía in the NT? ----> LOL
I prefer Ricardo!

LFV was right when he said before the game that people are afraid of Porto... i was just in front of the line of goal... And it never passed in my head that the ref. would disallow it... Even Baia should be surprised... The ref assistance "cagou-se todo" when he thought on the consequences of allowing that goal...

Still's the same thing for more than 10 years... Porto rulling Portugal... Yeah... People outside must think you guys should be unstopable, and that we (Benfica, Sporting) sucks...
Pinto Da Costa working hard to Porto win everything without thinking on ways to do it... There's to much sh*t going on Portuguese football... Specially for Porto lands, yeah, Boavista too... I had hope on somebody discover what's happening... The operation "Apito Dourado", once again i must be stupid if i thought PDC would be catched...
Because.... Like Diabos said...

"Apito Dourado ou Apito Abafado?"

You will NEVER reach our level, even if you pass our Palmarés.

There's only one way to "a verdade vir ao de cima"...

PDC retire from football.

You still think you weren't robbed don't you Tajike?

http://www.record.pt/getimage.asp?tb=IMAGENS&id=53741



Anyway, Congrats Benfica! Didn't played very well in the first half, still shaking in big games, but totally deserved at least the drawn in the second, Don't go down after this defeat, i know it's hard to after what happened, But you must be strong!

:Bow: Benfica!

EDIT

And Pinto da Costa wife(biatch?) just shows what kind of people you are... Bahh... Vocês provavelmente até deitaram espuma pela boca orgulhosos pelo que ela fez...

http://members.shaw.ca/lime-koolaide/MormonKnockKnock.jpg

Before anything else, forgive me for writing in Portuguese (mainly to those that don't understand the language), but I need to do so in order to able to express my points of view on this subject clearly. Also, sorry for the huge post (feel free to skip it if you don't have patience to read it ;) ).

Originally posted by Egocêntrico
Nakamura , pelo que leio das tuas intervenções , até te julgo uma pessoa sensata , consciente , e imparcial o suficiente , no que toca a análises futebolisticas... Por isso , estranho imenso essa reacção tão impetuosa ... e , permite-me uma observação... o Sporting é realmente , a nivel de palmáres FUTEBOLISTICO , o terceiro clube de futebol do país... ( não confundir com palmarés desportivo ) e não vejo porquê não o admitir , ao contrário de muitos benfiquistas que se recusam a admitir , por exemplo , que o porto tem um melhor palmáres futebolistico , a nivel internacional...

Tens razão... Ontem estava realmente aborrecido (e hoje ainda estou) e de cabeça quente (isso já não estou). A verdade é que naquela altura aquele comentário provocatório pareceu-me totalmente despropositado e sem sentido. Eu estava sem o mínimo sentido de humor... Claro, hoje reconheço que foi um "picanço" perfeitamente normal, que toda a gente faz. Mas deixa-me dizer, também como provocação, que não deixa de ser irónico ser precisamente um sportinguista a fazer um comentário daqueles. E tens toda a razão no que dizes: o Sporting é a 3ª equipa portuguesa e o Porto, nos últimos dois anos, tornou-se no clube português de maior sucesso internacional, superando o meu Benfica. Concordo totalmente, é a verdade crua e dura dos factos. :)

Agora, gostava de fazer uma análise mais aprofundada do jogo de ontem:

O Benfica continua sem ganhar na Nova Luz contra os seus rivais e a falhar nos momentos decisivos (excepção feita à final da Taça, o ano passado). Isto deve-se, a meu ver, principalmente a dois problemas, muito notórios nos últimos 3 anos. O problema #1 notou-se desde o início do jogo até ao fim da 1ª parte - a estrutura mental da equipa. Acusa muito a pressão, não assume o jogo como devia fazer e não é capaz de desenvolver o seu futebol habitual. Entram muitas vezes receosos e completamente desconcentrados, dando clara vantagem aos adversários e permitindo que várias vezes estes se adiantem no marcador (exs.: os jogos na Luz contra o Porto e Sporting do ano passado e o deste ano com o Porto). Assim sendo, no jogo de ontem, o Porto (que também não entrou muito bem) foi ganhando imediatamente confiança e, arriscando o remate de longe com insistência, acabou por marcar cedo, num grande golo (mas também de muita felicidade) de McCarthy, precedido por um erro grave de Fyssas.

O Benfica, em vez de responder, afundou-se ainda mais na sua insegurança, mostrou-se totalmente desorganizado e sem clarividência, insistindo nas bolas longas e não sendo capaz de fazer uma única jogada com princípio, meio e fim. Contrastando com esta pobreza, o Porto, embora nunca a jogar num nível muito alto, mostrou-se claramente superior, mais seguro e capaz de criar várias jogadas de combinação interessantes entre os seus jogadores atacantes. Mesmo assim, não dispôs de qualquer oportunidade clara e o jogo foi para intervalo com um resultado perfeitamente ajustado.

Na segunda parte, o Benfica, como era sua obrigação, entrou em campo com uma atitude radicalmente diferente e começou (finalmente) a jogar futebol, e de bom nível, diga-se. O Porto, por outro lado, perdeu o seu fio-de-jogo e pareceu remeter-se à sua defesa. Mas, mesmo a jogar bom futebol, o Benfica denotou o seu problema #2 - a dificuldade em transformar o volume de jogo em situações claras de golo condizentes e o desperdício das que consegue criar. Como podem comprovar se fizerem um exercício de memória, o Benfica, em quase todos os jogos "grandes" dos últimos anos, evidencia precisamente estes dois problemas, por vezes de forma alternada no mesmo jogo. O problema #1 (psicológico) notou-se nos jogos que referi anteriormente (na época passada os dois jogos com o Sporting e a 1ª parte na Luz contra o Porto) e o problema #2 (finalização) foi notório o ano passado (nas Antas, na 2ª parte na Luz contra o Porto, na 1ª parte da final da Taça) e este ano no jogo da Supertaça e na 2ª parte de ontem.

Mesmo assim, acho que ninguém com um mínimo de objectividade pode negar que o Benfica merecia ter conseguido o empate ontem (e conseguiu, mas já vamos lá), pois este era o resultado justo dada a prestação das duas equipas. Não gosto de desculpar os maus resultados com a arbitragem. Acho sempre que o resultado de um jogo depende essencialmente da prestação de cada equipa e não tenho dúvidas de que, mesmo com erros de arbitragem, se o Benfica tivesse conseguido superar os seus 2 grandes problemas, teria agora 4 ou 7 pontos de vantagem sobre o Porto. Mas não posso de dizer que a arbitragem de ontem foi bastante má e que prejudicou principalmente o Benfica (aliás, este foi o segundo jogo consecutivo em que isto aconteceu [lembram-se de Guimarães?]). Olegário Benquerença apitou por tudo e por nada (terrível hábito dos nossos árbitros), teve um critério disciplinar muito discutível (totalmente ridículo o amarelo a Seitaridis; incrível não mostrar um amarelo a Jorge Costa; excesso de zelo - a meu ver - nas expulsões de Nuno Gomes e Pepe) e a finalizar, o seu assistente cometeu dois erros gravíssimos - não marcar penalty na falta de Seitaridis sobre Karadas e não validar o golo claríssimo de Petit.

Quanto ao 1º lance, admito que se possa ter uma interpretação diferente e considerar-se que não houve nada. Mas, quanto ao 2º, creio que não podem restar dúvidas. Vemos que quando a bola bate no chão ainda está na linha, mas já quase na totalidade dentro, e que ao subir a sua trajectória leva-a ainda mais para dentro da baliza, acabando por atravessar completamente a linha, altura na qual Baía a tira para fora. Ainda mais se comprova isto com o facto de Baía ter dado uma "palmada" para a frente na bola e esta ainda ir embater na parte interna do poste, ressaltando quase para cima da linha de golo, o que nunca aconteceria, por ser fisicamente impossível, se a bola já não estivesse no interior da baliza.

Admito que ao árbitro não seja possível reparar nisto, mas o seu assistente tinha a obrigação de estar melhor posicionado e apereber-se desta situação. Foi bastante notório que era golo, pois logo a 1ª impressão era essa e as repetições apenas o tornaram mais claro. Mesmo assim, como dizem alguns, é um lance difícil de ajuízar no momento? Até admito que sim, mas isto leva-nos a uma questão do futebol actual que considero dever ser discutida pelas entidades competentes com a máxima urgência - o auxílio aos árbitros por parte da tecnologia e de imagens televisivas para casos em que seja humanamente impossível ou muito difícil decidir (mas atenção, apenas em certos casos, que reúnam determinadas condições, não em toda e qualquer decisão, pois isso "mataria" o jogo).

Portanto, o resultado foi 1-1, mas por um erro da equipa de arbitragem, que alterou a verdade desportiva, o Porto ganhou (claro que teve mérito, não tem culpa dos erros do árbitro, obviamente, mas o resultado não é nem adequado nem justo). No entanto, é importante referir que não acredito que haja um esquema premeditado para beneficiar A ou B e prejudicar C ou D no nosso futebol. O que há sim na nossa arbitragem é muita incompetência e falta de seriedade e/ou coragem... Urgente rever isto, mudar a estrutura da arbitragem, apostar na profissionalização e na responsabilização dos árbitros, na clareza e rigor dos observadores e de todo o processo de classificação. Não digo isto só por este jogo, mas por todos os casos incríveis que constantemente vemos, todas as jornadas, no nosso campeonato, envolvendo todas as equipas.

Para finalizar, os destaques. Do Porto, grande jogo de Jorge Costa, Seitaridis e Diego. No Benfica, notável esforço de Miguel e Petit. Parabéns ao Porto pela vitória, que certamente dará uma grande força anímica à equipa. O campeonato parece estar totalmente em aberto... Atenção, considero que o Sporting, se resolver os seus problemas internos, tem um plantel de muita qualidade e com capacidade de lutar pelo título. Para além disso, tenho a impressão que este ano iremos contar com pelo menos uma equipa dos "não-grandes" a disputar os lugares cimeiros. Neste momento, temos o Marítimo em igualdade com o Benfica, mas o campeonato ainda vai no início, podendo surgir outras equipas a "surpreender". Que não restem dúvidas que este ano os "grandes" vão perder muitos mais pontos com as outras equipas do que o habitual.

E claro, força Benfica! Ainda estamos em primeiro e continuamos a acreditar, embora cientes das dificuldades! :) Que sejamos capazes de dar a resposta àqueles que nos querem ver em baixo e esta semana regojizaram já no próximo jogo!

Originally posted by VilaDoConde
the better team won.

No, the better team didn't won. Benfica scored a goal and Porto too so it was a draw... but with a little help Porto is now with only 1 point less of Benfica....

O Vitor Baia é mesmo um guarda redes mt especial, nisso voces têm razão, é o unico a que é permitido jogar fora da área com a mão e agora até lhe é permitido dar frangalhadas à descrição porque, pode estar descansado que não será golo... revoltante e nojento. :kader:

Originally posted by Punkt
No, the better team didn't won. Benfica scored a goal and Porto too so it was a draw... but with a little help Porto is now with only 1 point less of Benfica....

O Vitor Baia é mesmo um guarda redes mt especial, nisso voces têm razão, é o unico a que é permitido jogar fora da área com a mão e agora até lhe é permitido dar frangalhadas à descrição porque, pode estar descansado que não será golo... revoltante e nojento. :kader:

LOL? :hump:

Just saw the highlights and damn.. That was blatantly over the line from Petit, beautiful shot.

Doesnt the ref see that for the ball to hit the post and go out, it'd have to be already over the line to hit the outside of the post?

Sheesh, no wonder everyone's upset and angry....

Originally posted by Amdy Faye
Doesnt the ref see that for the ball to hit the post and go out, it'd have to be already over the line to hit the outside of the post?

EXACTLY what I pointed in my Portuguese post.

Originally posted by Egocêntrico
o Pneus Vieira

Muahahah!!! :rofl:

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Alright, I'm just going to drop a couple thoughts on the game.

* We showed in the first half who's the better team. In my opinion, the difference - in football tgerms - between us and Benfica is still huuuuuuggeeeee.
Most of all, I'm glad to see we're clearly getting better each game.

* Benfica got all the ball possession in the second half and Porto had few chances. There is a reason for each fact:
- when we're a goal ahead playing away against a top team we always give them the all, wrapping them on our defensive web (for further referrence check any Porto CL away clash in the past year). To those who think Benfica made a fantastic second half and was so much better let me ask you how many chances you've had? Two, and one was a harmless shot which Baía felt he should put it insinde his own net!
- There was something different from the usual, though: we failed to create good chances from counter-attacks. The X factor was Pepe's red card. It changed our game altogether from then on.

- I wouldn't go on saying how great Benny's goal was or how well played Diego. Lets just say we we're better and deserved to win.

- The penalty: when I watched the replays I honestly couldn't tell whether Seitaridis had pushed Karadas or not, since no camera angle was really clear. It [i]looked like[i] the Benfica's striker had been pushed, but that was it.
Tonight in the Telejornal I saw a replay showing Karadas pulling Seita's arm. Still, I admit it's difficult to make a clear judgement of the action.

- Pepe's sending off: we can't see anything worthy of sending him off on the only available replay. Maybe the ref was right, maybe he was not.

- Petit's goal was clearly in, which saddens me since I felt we could win that one without much fuss anyway (btw Punkt, you can't judge anything from that pic all alone: the ball looks in but you got to count with the angle in which the camera was...). The logical result is that almost everyone will focus on the disallowed goal instead of seeing the big picture and how Porto deserved the win.
Having said that, does anyone genuinely knew instantly the ball was in?
How about the ref? I'm sure we all agree he wasn't in a position to make a good decision.
And what about the linesman? My personal opinion, and judging from his position (naturally following Porto's defence in look for an off-side) is that from that distance and quickness he wasn't 100% sure, so he didn't confirm the ball was in (which is the easiest way out for a ref in a situation like that).

- The rest, my friends, is the usual palhaçada. It stopped bothering me a while ago. Honestly, I look at it now as if I was being fed some questionable comedy from famous clowns.
The winners of the night were:
- PdC's gf singing 'Outra vez, outra vez, o campeonato com o caralho outra vez' and showing the sign 'Orelhas estou aqui'.
- Vieira explaining PdC's árvore genealógica.

Originally posted by INFESTA

The winners of the night were:
- PdC's gf singing 'Outra vez, outra vez, o campeonato com o caralho outra vez' and showing the sign 'Orelhas estou aqui'.



especially when you look at the table and see who's leading.

totally agree with you Infesta, i believe you and Nakamura are two of the most unbiased ppl on this forum.

Now i agree with you on the Benfica goal. Nobody caouls have tell that that goal wnet in right away from watching live play. If somebody' said they could then they are lying, cuz it was impossible to see. so think how the ref felt. it was a 50-50 call. It was impossinle for him to see that. it was like 10-20 cm inside the net. tough call to make.

There was no penalty at all. Karadas was holding onto Giourkas and they both fell.

hey punkt, How about Diego. I thought a good Dm would be able to contain him.LOL

Deigo's yellow was pathtic, same goes for Alberto. Pepe did jack **** to get a red card and that affected our game. If Pepe had gotten only a yellow and Gomes a red we would have put a strangle hold on the game.

The ref ****ed up for both sides, and that call was tough to make. That's why i believe there should be goal replay's atleast during games.

O campeonato com o caralho outra vez...

LOL

but who is leading the league? And Porto? i think you are in third...

PS: all are forgetting that push of Pepe in Karadas in the area... i think a foul in the area is a penalty, isn't it? oh i see, Porto has different rules...

wait a second...

http://img44.exs.cx/img44/9585/foto_principal_f.jpg

...was the ball really in? or was it not?? i'm soooo confused... :confused:

no this doesn't prove that wasn't in, but also shows that you can't prove with that image that the ball was in...if after all the images, and all the different camera angles there's still doubt, i wonder how the refs felt when they had to make a decision, knowing that they weren't in the best positions to make the good judgement.

Originally posted by Punkt
O campeonato com o caralho outra vez...

LOL

but who is leading the league? And Porto? i think you are in third...

PS: all are forgetting that push of Pepe in Karadas in the area... i think a foul in the area is a penalty, isn't it? oh i see, Porto has different rules...

u know what i seen. i seen both players going at it with each other. From waht i saw and you did to KAradas grabbed PEPE and then threw him on the gorund, banging his head.

by the way nice pic. See it was very hard to see in the pic, so imagine what the ref saw.

the point is that when in doubt the decisions always favour Porto..... it's been like that for years and years.

About the picture I say it again, If you don't want to see it that's ok just don't make total fool out of yourselves continuing to post crap.

the ball was in and everyone on the stands saw it expect the linesman

saw it on tv now. the ball was definetly in,because although it bounces with a small part on the chalk line, it continues to travel inside the goal before Baia pushes it out, and it (in my opinion) definetly completely crosses the line.

Originally posted by bmpv666
wait a second...

http://img44.exs.cx/img44/9585/foto_principal_f.jpg

...was the ball really in? or was it not?? i'm soooo confused... :confused:

no this doesn't prove that wasn't in, but also shows that you can't prove with that image that the ball was in...if after all the images, and all the different camera angles there's still doubt, i wonder how the refs felt when they had to make a decision, knowing that they weren't in the best positions to make the good judgement.

Read Nakamura's post...

E foi golo, eu estava no enfiamento da linha de fundo, por isso tinha uma visão priveligiada, e não hesitei a gritar golo, apesar de o fiscal de linha não estar na posição correcta dava perfeitamente para ver que foi golo. Acreditem se quiserem, mas foi descarado. O ângulo que a Sporttv apanhou pode enganar, mas o que é certo é que até o Baía ficou surpreendido... Não sei porquê também, o PDC não lhe avisou que o jogo já estava ganho?

Por isso não me venham com histórias que é dificíl de ajuizar o lance Bla Bla Bla...

E não me venham dizer que é normal o árbitro fazer erros destes... É normal sim, quando é num jogo ou outro... Agora durante 10 anos é de desconfiar ou não...?

Originally posted by Paulo Da Silva
From waht i saw and you did to KAradas grabbed PEPE and then threw him on the gorund, banging his head.



have you seen pepe holding his elbow against karadas in the beginning of that play?

acho que é mais que claro que da forma que a bola bate no poste quando é tirada pelo Baia so pode ter entrado... só não vê quem não quer...

Originally posted by Parasol
have you seen pepe holding his elbow against karadas in the beginning of that play?

ya i seen a normal tussle between two players. if the ref were to call them all the time, there would be like 10 penalties a game.

It's obviously a goal, mas o arbitro nao tem aquala visao privilegiada como to tenhas, quando to estas num lugar so, o arbitro ten que correr o campo todo.

Say what you want it was impossible to tell that it was goal right away unless you were seated in a seat in front of the goal line, like RuiCosta_10 was. You see the ref wasn't in your seat.

Look at the ref's perspective on it. What if it didn't go in and he counted it. You know many questions must be answered in a split second. It's a tough decision to make.

Plus if there is any doubt on a play like that, the decision must always favour the defending team. or something like that. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong. I think i read something like that

Originally posted by Paulo Da Silva
ya i seen a normal tussle between two players. if the ref were to call them all the time, there would be like 10 penalties a game.

It's obviously a goal, mas o arbitro nao tem aquala visao privilegiada como to tenhas, quando to estas num lugar so, o arbitro ten que correr o campo todo.

Say what you want it was impossible to tell that it was goal right away unless you were seated in a seat in front of the goal line, like RuiCosta_10 was. You see the ref wasn't in your seat.

Look at the ref's perspective on it. What if it didn't go in and he counted it. You know many questions must be answered in a split second. It's a tough decision to make.


and the linesman is for what? only to decorate the field?... :rolleyes:

i was talking about the linesman.

Originally posted by Punkt
acho que é mais que claro que da forma que a bola bate no poste quando é tirada pelo Baia so pode ter entrado... só não vê quem não quer...

Exactly...

I was away and with no chances to come here, this was a hard game to judge and i have a few things to say:

-First the game itself, we were a lot better in the first half and we could have decided the match with other goal in that period, we didn't and that was the main factor that made us being defending in the second half most of the time, still i think we had the better chance of goal by Maniche at the end of the game.

-Now the ref, i think NOBODY can say it is 100% sure the ball went all in, i saw the replay from different cameras maybe 50 times and i still have doubts, now imagine the linesman that wasn't in the line goal to judge it better... about the penalty i think is clearly a double foul and u can see Karadas pushing Seitaridis shirt at the same time he push a little bit Karadas too, there's thousands of plays like that in every game and no fouls signed so i don't see the big deal... there was also some ridiculous yellows showed to our players and i also think there was no reason to sent off Pepe, maybe a yellow was enough, Nuno Gomes was the first one to make an agression and i don't see a violent reaction from Pepe in the bad replay we have about that action of the game.

So to conclude i think our victory was fair because of what we did in the first half, the ref could have done a better job but don't tell me it was a "roubo" cause it wasn't, only in that Petit shot u can argue there was a possible mistake but u don't have proves to show that the ball was clearly 100% in so i don't see the point of so much bullsh*t said about the game and the ref, u lost again the European Champion so it wasn't a big shame at all. ;) :mrpimp:

P.S.- An advice to improve football, why not request FIFA to start putting a sensor(sp?) in the goalies that makes a noise when the ball completely goes in, that would definitely be better to football and to his fans...

K, both Benfiquistas and Portistas have - of course - different opinions about this.
Now you, Benfiquistas had the chance to prove things by posting pics and stuff. I think we have the right to defend ourselfs:

http://img73.exs.cx/img73/5079/Baia.jpg

Don't wanna put oil on the fire, just an equal chance to enforce our opinion on this...

Peace...?

funny I was just about to post that as I laughed my ass off at how pathetic the guy who took the trouble to do that is.

Some Porto fans like you Tajike are just too fanatic to accept the truth even if it was climbing up your ass.

The pathetic guy who did that forgot the simple thing that the ball was close to the ground, not at the height that it's suggested by the thingie he draw. He drew the angle the ball does with the goal line instead of with the ground below the ball.

Maybe he can prove next that Baia was also outside the goal :funny:

gotta laugh at you guys

If you look at the SHADOW of the ball, you can see it´s clearly in;)

Who was the better team is hard to now: 1st half was from Porto the 2nd was from Benfica

Tajike uma boa imagem mas bola está mais rente ao chão do que aí. Mas boa tentativa;) Eu acho que o que se devia de descutir não era se a bola entrou( porque entrou mesmo), mas sim se o árbitro fez de propósito ou não. Eu penso que foi um erro como qualquer outro, embora tirou o empate ao Benfica.

Agora todos os benficistas estao a dizer que sao sempre roubados contra o Porto...LOL!

O que foi na Final da Taca de Portugal?!?!?!? Mas eu quero que se LIXE!!!

A melhor equipa ganhou! E a melhor equipa foi o F.C.Porto!!!

O Benfica, so teve uma grande opurtunidade para marcar...e foi essa do petit...o resto foram cruzamentos dos dois lados, sempre sem perigo...

O Porto e que podia tido resolvido o jogo no fim...por Maniche...mas e igual. Trés pontos conquistados, agora ja estamos a um do Benfica!

O Filipe Vieira é o maior palhaco que há...e Nuno Gomes tambem...porque e que falou na namorada do Pinto da Costa e da mulher e da filha!?!?!?!??!? Nao tem outra conversa??? so á custa da familia dos outros???
Mas que merda venha ser essa? O Nuno Gomes nao tem nada a protestar...foi bem expulso!

O Porto deu a resposta no campo! Ganhamos, porque fomos superior ao adversario!

Aqueles erros acontecem em todas as ligas, so que, quando e contra o benfica ha sempre um escandalo do caracas...quantas vezes o Porto foi roubado?!?!? mas nos damos a resposta sempre no campo! Nao precisamos de arbitros para ganhar.

Pra proxima semana o benfica vai ganhar, e vai ser um lance de penalty...tehno a certeza que isso vai acontecer, mas depois nao se vai falar sobre isso...porque e o Benfica...LOL....

FORCA PORTO!!!
ADC1987(H)

Heres great goal from benni!

http://www.fcporto.ws/destdev3.html

The shadow doens't mean that the ball is in...

Anyway,

Quando a bola toca no chão, já quase que ultrapassa a linha, AGORA, a partir do momento em que toca no chão, anda mais uns centimetros para a frente, no segundo a seguir já está la dentro...

Agora não sei se na vossa opinião as bolas andam para trás sem interferência para tal, tem que me explicar essa teoria...

É assim tão dificil admitir aquilo que está aos olhos de toda a gente?

Até um CEGO vê melhor que voçês...

Inacreditável a vossa cegueira pelo porto... :rolleyes:

Tenham pelo menos o bom senso de admitir que a bola está dentro... Tão a fazer figuras perfeitamente ridículas, pelo menos se não querem admitir estejam calados, fiquem com os três pontos e não lançem mais comentários...


Já o Jorge Costa dizia que não foi golo porque o Karadas tava fora de jogo...

http://www.ojogo.pt/artigos/20-241/pri.jpg

OMG! Ao que voçês chegam! O cúmulo do ridículo...

Já vi montes de repetições e de fotos e ainda NENHUMA me provou taxativamente q a bola entrou, e n me venham dizer q se vê claramente pq n vê, se até com televisão e fotos é difícil avaliar imaginem o arbitro e o fiscal de linha no campo... ganhem juízo e aprendam a perder.

jesus ******* christ people, i understand this is a portoguese derby, therefore most people interested are portoguese, but it would be nice if i could actually understand the arguments ;).

Originally posted by [dfm]
ganhem juízo e aprendam a perder.

like you did in last year's cup final? :confused:

anyway we didn't lose, we tied

Originally posted by [dfm]
ganhem juízo e aprendam a perder.

olha quem fala... é preciso ter lata...

Se a bola não entrou como é que o Baia soca a bola e ela embate na parte interior do poste? ao menos sejam honestos...

Originally posted by [dfm]
Já vi montes de repetições e de fotos e ainda NENHUMA me provou taxativamente q a bola entrou, e n me venham dizer q se vê claramente pq n vê, se até com televisão e fotos é difícil avaliar imaginem o arbitro e o fiscal de linha no campo... ganhem juízo e aprendam a perder.

Jesus, you guys are complete morons...

Talking with a wall it's better than talk with you...

:nape:

Virgo, Punkt, Parasol etc...

Don't lose your time talking with them... it's like post-bosting.

Originally posted by RuiCosta_10
Jesus, you guys are complete morons...

Talking with a wall it's better than talk with you...

:nape:

Virgo, Punkt, Parasol etc...

Don't lose your time talking with them... it's like post-bosting.



have you seen my comments on this game? lol i don't comment tragic comedies...

http://www.sinelimite-europe.com/doc/Benf-Port.wmv

Ahem...

Save the link, open maximised, stop on the frame where Baía touches the ball and watch the blue shadow on the ball:P


I won't even try to discuss any further because this already seems the Record "forums"...

Have a nice day.

maybe it's time to lock this thread no? i'm way to tired of this subject, and we all know each one's opinion...so let's move on, there's nothing more to see here :crazyboy:

Just one more thing...

http://www.ojogo.pt/20-241/artigo416493.htm

Originally posted by zuppafly
http://www.sinelimite-europe.com/doc/Benf-Port.wmv

Ahem...

Save the link, open maximised, stop on the frame where Baía touches the ball and watch the blue shadow on the ball:P


I won't even try to discuss any further because this already seems the Record "forums"...

Have a nice day.

OMG, what a video. that just proves everything.

IT WAS NO GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LMFAO

great video, great angle, perfect.lol

http://www.ojogo.pt/20-242/Artigo416632.htm

seems like O jogo has seen the footage aswell.

NO ***IN GOAL.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH:p :rockman: :hump:

Originally posted by Paulo Da Silva
http://www.ojogo.pt/20-242/Artigo416632.htm

seems like O jogo has seen the footage aswell.

NO ***IN GOAL.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH:p :rockman: :hump:

Hehe, what a laugh... i saw the video and i'm speechless, that clearly proves that it was NO GOAL, which was my impression after all the replays, and some people called us(portistas) blinds just for saying it was no goal... eat that u bastards. :hump:

P.S.- Note that the thecnique used in the video is based in geometric rules so u have no arguments to say it's not well done. ;)

well, after watching that video i'd call it the day... no goal, no more bull**** please

Originally posted by Funky--K
well, after watching that video i'd call it the day... no goal, no more bull**** please

Exactly, i think there's no reason to keep talking about this issue. For me that's case closed, it was proved the result was in fact 0-1. ;)

Guys some explanations on the video please, i cant tell **** from it, so translations are welcomed :).

Originally posted by Drvar
Guys some explanations on the video please, i cant tell **** from it, so translations are welcomed :).

U mean the part of the video were it appears some text in french? :confused: If is that i can tell u that is basically what is used in the image to prove that the ball is not in.

well, the video works really slow and ****ty on my comp, and i cant tell **** from that blue square in the goal. what is it supposed to prove, and how?

it's an imaginary wall over the line, and it shows that the ball did not entirely go pass the "wall" :)

too bad the camera angle is sh*t as well and we can't be sure that imaginary line is accurate.

the only decent photo is the photo that proves the ball is inside the goal as everyone saw in the stadium.

but oh well... you never give up.

Originally posted by Virgo
too bad the camera angle is sh*t as well and we can't be sure that imaginary line is accurate.

the only decent photo is the photo that proves the ball is inside the goal as everyone saw in the stadium.

but oh well... you never give up.

you never give up, please!!! That video completely proves that it was no goal, and that pic is totally unclear

if that pic isn't clear that video certainly isn't

it just shows that you just believe in what you want to be the truth not what you know it is.

you are very disonest people.

your the one believing what you want.

That pic u talk about is totally unclear, while the video is clear and shows that it was no goal. Period

the better team won the game fair and square.

can we please drop the issue ITS OVER THE GAME IS OVER THERES NO CHANGE BACK (as of now) seriously fighting over this call is lame now its over PORTO WON o well n/t benfica btw it was a good game. i hope they close this thread like they did with the Lyon vs Fener

http://www.multiopticas.com

http://www.soccergaming.tv/attachment.php?s=&postid=1518326

guys....like in all the pics i've seen so far, that video can't prove anything! in order to acuratelly(sp?) determine if the ball was in or not, u need a 3D image! all the pics and the videos are 2D images, so it's easy to draw lines to make the ball apear inside or outside the goal...if u don't know the camera angle and zoom, the goal and ball dimensions u can't draw lines or whatever in those images to prove anything....

IT WAS A GOAL!!!

http://funkyk.do.sapo.pt/portoalez.jpg

no wait! no it wasnt! not by an inch!!!

http://funkyk.do.sapo.pt/porto_sem_duvida.jpg

Man...:confused: :confused: now i'm really messed up


:f***: STOP!!!!!!!! FOR F:UCK'S SAKE, IT DOES NOT MATTER IF IT WENT IN OR NOT, IT WAS NOT A GOAL, 1-0 PORTO, END OF THIS CRAP DISCUSSION!!!

(of course you guys needed a boavisteiro to end this)

LOL this discussion continues? but you don't see the shadow of tha ball inside the goal in the pic that Virgo posted? MY god! :kader:

please some mod close this...

Originally posted by bmpv666
guys....like in all the pics i've seen so far, that video can't prove anything! in order to acuratelly(sp?) determine if the ball was in or not, u need a 3D image! all the pics and the videos are 2D images, so it's easy to draw lines to make the ball apear inside or outside the goal...if u don't know the camera angle and zoom, the goal and ball dimensions u can't draw lines or whatever in those images to prove anything....

You're quite right!

As I said earlier, I have the clear idea that it was a goal, that the ball was indeed in. Anyway, as much as I (and the majority of people - just read the comments on the press) think that way or others that think it wasn't, nobody can say with 100% sure if it was or not. I have a firm, honest belief, from what I've seen, that it was (like I mentioned, so the majority of people), but who actually knows?

ANYWAY, this isn't important to me anymore. It's PAST! No use discussing it more... Let's think of the upcoming games (and we have a very important and difficult one tomorrow against Herenveen).

The only thing I think should still be discussed is that FIFA needs to stop being such a retrograde and incompetent organization and accept that it would only be better for the game if technology helped in those kind of difficult calls. Several sports do it, why would it be different with football? It would make things much easier, accurate and honest.

Originally posted by Virgo
http://www.soccergaming.tv/attachment.php?s=&postid=1518326
Judging from this angle and out of a completely neutral point of view


How can anyone argue about this? It was clearly a goal.

Originally posted by -Vince-
Judging from this angle and out of a completely neutral point of view


How can anyone argue about this? It was clearly a goal.

is baia's arm shadow exactly below his arm? no! it's deslocated to the inside of the goal. Same happens with the ball's shadow! Stadium lights...

Are we clear now?

"I was at Luz last Sunday seeing Benfica-Porto game and i think Benfica was robbed, because scored a clean goal"

Gertjan Verbeek
Heerenveen Manager

haha (H)

Here's the prove that the ball "didn't crossed the line":

http://gajazara.no.sapo.pt/afinal_n_entrou.jpg

Originally posted by Nakamura
You're quite right!

As I said earlier, I have the clear idea that it was a goal, that the ball was indeed in. Anyway, as much as I (and the majority of people - just read the comments on the press) think that way or others that think it wasn't, nobody can say with 100% sure if it was or not. I have a firm, honest belief, from what I've seen, that it was (like I mentioned, so the majority of people), but who actually knows?

ANYWAY, this isn't important to me anymore. It's PAST! No use discussing it more... Let's think of the upcoming games (and we have a very important and difficult one tomorrow against Herenveen).

The only thing I think should still be discussed is that FIFA needs to stop being such a retrograde and incompetent organization and accept that it would only be better for the game if technology helped in those kind of difficult calls. Several sports do it, why would it be different with football? It would make things much easier, accurate and honest.


i agree FIFA shuld implement some sort of way to look and check if it actually went in. This is getting pathetic