I'm just playing with Liverpool and what is bothering me is that although we have much (big) chances, something like 30 a match we still don't manage to score much with strikers like Baros, Cisse and Garcia.

This made me think of the days back in CM where we had this shooting bug. Has it returned?

But the rest is quite nice. The 2d pitch got more realistic (Y)

I do have some games where I have real trouble getting the ball in the net, but others where every-chance seems to go in, so I guess it evens out probably.

Originally posted by Zlatan
I'm just playing with Liverpool and what is bothering me is that although we have much (big) chances, something like 30 a match we still don't manage to score much with strikers like Baros, Cisse and Garcia.

From the few games i've played with Liverpool on FM, neither Baros, Cisse or Garcia are great strikers on the game though. Try playing with some team like Milan who has Shevchenko to see if you get the same stuff.

Because the 3 you named, always got a lot of 7's and only a few 8's.

Try playing with Real Madrid....I was beating Mallorca 10-0 by the 60th minute. I felt sorry for Mallorca so I gave them a chance and switched the strikers with the defenders.:rolleyes:

Some games...it is wayyyy to easy to score.

I think I averaged 5+ goals per game with Real Madrid....I think they are overrated. I even beat Barcelona 6-2

I just beat Arsenal 7-0 using Manutd in the charity shield. Alan SMith scored a hattrick on his debut.:crazyboy:

a lot of my shots go wide or straight at the keeper. it did remind me of CM 4 a bit to be honest.

Alot of my players seem to take on rediculous shots aswell when there would be a much better option. It does seem pretty rigged too. I was leading Fulham 2-0 and for the last 10 minutes, the 2d match engine did not switch off once. Every goal kick went straight to the opposition who shot, missed, another goal kick. It was crazy, good thing they were so crap at shooting.

Originally posted by CalumnCFC
Alot of my players seem to take on rediculous shots aswell when there would be a much better option. It does seem pretty rigged too. I was leading Fulham 2-0 and for the last 10 minutes, the 2d match engine did not switch off once. Every goal kick went straight to the opposition who shot, missed, another goal kick. It was crazy, good thing they were so crap at shooting.

Yea ive noticed that too. Last ten mintues is werid in the game.:confused: Also my strikers seem to miss lots of easy shots but make the amazingly impossible ones.(H)

iv found the conversion rates to be a bit dodgy... i have loads of shots, something like 30+ per game, and score 2-3 ish. the comp has a few shots and scores with a significantly lower amount of chances than i do... iv tried adjusting training, tactics etc.. im currently having a discussion about it with one of the guys from SI to see if it is down to tactics or training.... they dont seem to think there is an issue...

Yeh the shooting in this needs to be fixed

I just played with Chelsea my first games of this game. Kezman, Robben, Mutu and Gudjossen scored a lot, I beat all my rivals scoring 4+ goals every game, ok, there are friendlies, but every time Kezman has the ball is a goal; also Lampard plays too good in my game, getting only 9 or 10 even if he doesn't score, but...

Drogba is way underrated, he didn't managed to score one on 6 friendlies and always getting 7- :f***: :f***: :kader:

examples....

http://www.jowoods.com/andyspix/stats....jpg

http://www.jowoods.com/andyspix/stats.....jpg

i tested with arsenal cos villas strikers are quite frankly, crap. but even with henry and reyes, etc, its still dodgy... over at SI, they still claim its tactics and training, but i have decent both, if my bars and green arrows are good and im kicking arse on chances and restricting the opposition to few chances....

First one was just luck, there were many chances for Southampton as well, 9 against 18, 4 on target against 9, making an almost perfect half.

Now on second screen there's something fishy, 11 against 6, also a half against, but 1 against 0 on target, what sounds crappy, and Milan, without having an "on Target shot" scored without an own goal :confused:

I guess it was a goal that first touch a post, o bounces out of a defender/goalkeeper, but for me that 0 it's making no-sense :confused:

EDIT: I keep scoring a lot with Chelsea, maybe you want to try them, but keep Drogba as a sub, he didn't score ANY of the situation he had, talking about underrated

Originally posted by NIDOKING
I just played with Chelsea my first games of this game. Kezman, Robben, Mutu and Gudjossen scored a lot, I beat all my rivals scoring 4+ goals every game, ok, there are friendlies, but every time Kezman has the ball is a goal; also Lampard plays too good in my game, getting only 9 or 10 even if he doesn't score, but...

Drogba is way underrated, he didn't managed to score one on 6 friendlies and always getting 7- :f***: :f***: :kader: The stats and values of the Chelsea players are f*cked up, that's why I sold 90% of them :p

But yeah, it's the same for me as ralfwiggum. I'm sure the results of each game are pre-decided, and that you hve to fight real hard to change that, cos the number of times I press all of the first half for a goal, they dont have a chance, then finally it goes in after 43 minutes to which they knock in their first chance on 45 minutes is infuriating. Luckily I was good enough to be able to resist the rediculous number of chances they are always given in the final 10 mins, but I would like to see this made fairer.

Originally posted by NIDOKING
First one was just luck, there were many chances for Southampton as well, 9 against 18, 4 on target against 9, making an almost perfect half.

Now on second screen there's something fishy, 11 against 6, also a half against, but 1 against 0 on target, what sounds crappy, and Milan, without having an "on Target shot" scored without an own goal :confused:

I guess it was a goal that first touch a post, o bounces out of a defender/goalkeeper, but for me that 0 it's making no-sense :confused:

EDIT: I keep scoring a lot with Chelsea, maybe you want to try them, but keep Drogba as a sub, he didn't score ANY of the situation he had, talking about underrated

but these are just 2 screen shots of many where i kick arse on chances, at least over 20+ on average and they have 1 or 2 attempts and score from those. most of the games i have won, but thats not the point. on SI site they are claiming its all about conversion rates. now if thats true, then why isnt it the same for both sides? thats my issue with the game... apart from that, the game is superb...

Originally posted by ralfwiggum
http://www.jowoods.com/andyspix/stats.....jpg

look at the ss. milan on target is 0. why they leading 0-1????

I dont think it counts as a 'shot' if it's a goal. I think the 'On Targets' are just misses that were on target. I'm pretty sure that's how it is in real life anyway.

thanks for the explaination (Y)

a poor match. only 1 on target in a match :|

It was, but he still shouldnt have lost

their goal was a free shot in the middle of the box.... it didnt deflect so should have counted as a shot. if it goes in the net then its on target and counts as a shot on target... this is just 1 of a number of games where i pummel the opposition, and get screwed over by the comp who has minimal shots but still managed to score..... one of the testers/researchers from the SI site said that i need to play more defensively and let the opposition have more chances!

Originally posted by ralfwiggum
their goal was a free shot in the middle of the box.... it didnt deflect so should have counted as a shot. if it goes in the net then its on target and counts as a shot on target... this is just 1 of a number of games where i pummel the opposition, and get screwed over by the comp who has minimal shots but still managed to score..... one of the testers/researchers from the SI site said that i need to play more defensively and let the opposition have more chances! LMAO!!! So, according to SI, the more shots, the less chance you have of scoring! Lovin' that logic :crazyboy:

apparently its something to do with the conversion rates... im disputing this, but they seem to think its the minority that are having the problem even though theres a new thread about it every day....

i think im just not going to buy the game and give it a miss... a bit like my strikers....

shame really... apart from this, its a great game and probably would have rekindled my interest after the cm4 fiasco....

Originally posted by ralfwiggum
apparently its something to do with the conversion rates... im disputing this, but they seem to think its the minority that are having the problem even though theres a new thread about it every day....

i think im just not going to buy the game and give it a miss... a bit like my strikers....

shame really... apart from this, its a great game and probably would have rekindled my interest after the cm4 fiasco.... It's not enough to make the game not worth buying. They'll probably fix it next enhancement pack anway, and until then we can live with it, we all seem to be winning most of our games anyway.

But I agree with you, everyday more and more people seem to complain about it. They've got to listen sometime :mrpimp:

yea.. im probably being melodramatic, but its so dam frustrating. especially when im playing birmingham city... i kick their arse and go 1-0 up, then from out of the blue, they go and score 2 out of nowehere with the only shots they have all game.... and all of my strikers couldnt hit the back end of a barn with a banjo, and i end up being beaten or drawing. and i hate that.. any other club i can handle, but not the scum...

i think i will wait to buy it though.. see if they can/will fix it or not....

Originally posted by ralfwiggum
yea.. im probably being melodramatic, but its so dam frustrating. especially when im playing birmingham city... i kick their arse and go 1-0 up, then from out of the blue, they go and score 2 out of nowehere with the only shots they have all game.... and all of my strikers couldnt hit the back end of a barn with a banjo, and i end up being beaten or drawing. and i hate that.. any other club i can handle, but not the scum...

i think i will wait to buy it though.. see if they can/will fix it or not.... Just like I said, I'm sure the game decides who the winner is gonna be in advance and you have to try damn hard if your gonna change it.

yea it does.... i read it on the SI site somewhere..... recalculates it when you make changes to tactics or players, etc....

There will be a patch november 5th, btw, according to the Dutch researcher anyway. He said that in the Dutch data thread over at SIGames.com (www.sigames.com). Don't know if it's been officially announced yet.

yea, they are working on it at the moment, but the strikers issue wont be in it as they dont think there is a problem.....

Originally posted by ralfwiggum
yea, they are working on it at the moment, but the strikers issue wont be in it as they dont think there is a problem.....

Wow that sucks snice that is one of hte main problems i am having right now:kader: but i still win my games only by a goal or two though so its damn anoyying.

So anyone know what the patch will fix if this is not included?

Originally posted by rpvankasteren
There will be a patch november 5th, btw, according to the Dutch researcher anyway. He said that in the Dutch data thread over at SIGames.com (www.sigames.com). Don't know if it's been officially announced yet.

hadnt been 'confirmed' but IM pretty sure of it ;) ;)

TROD.

Originally posted by TottiNZidaneR#1
Wow that sucks snice that is one of hte main problems i am having right now:kader: but i still win my games only by a goal or two though so its damn anoyying.

So anyone know what the patch will fix if this is not included?

no list as yet....

there isnt a list availible to anyone apart from those who are actually IN SI's close circle.

TROD.

Well i havnt really noticed any other probelms thou:confused: Otherthan some player values but thats in all of the games.

my main problm now is player stats ( i think they are much worse in accuracy compared to older cms) :) And i dont like the some parts of the new layout. :)
isnt that cool :D
Shooting bug? If u mean players missing shots 1on1 90% of the times then yes. I agree with that :p

just been back onto SI site about this... they have told me that i have to play slower and let the opposition have more chances as they dont recognise this as an issue....

im baffled to see the replys of me playing very well but having the comp score on their few chances, to be told to adjust my tactic to play worse and slower!!! arsenal in real life dont play slow... they create and score many chances and have just goe 49 league games unbeaten.... i create many chances and restrict the opposition to few, yet my world class strikers have trouble scoring and the oppositions strikers could score several goals blindfolded and the only way to fix this is to play like chelsea... slow, boring and worse.....

if a team in real life, restricted the opposition to few chances and had many themselves while playing at a high tempo, then they would be playing superb football and would probably go a whole season unbeaten.... oh wait.....

thats the last straw... i will not buy this game....

arsenal dont do that at all, they quite obviously work using the counter-attack.

TROD.

Problem with high-paced matches is that your players get tired. Their reflexes must be falling, or something like that, when you reach later stages of a game.
It would be realistic, kind off, but it sure isn't made visible.

Originally posted by TROD
arsenal dont do that at all, they quite obviously work using the counter-attack.

TROD.

arsenal press teams, break up play in the middle and then attack with great pace in numbers...

and so do i...

i break up the play in the middle and then hit them on the counter, with pace. its a very good system. i get many chances and restrict the opposition to few....

at the end of the day, wether im playing counter or just outright attack, if im having more chances right through the game from start to finish, and im not scoring with world class strikers, yet the opposition can score at any point, even though they are being whalloped, consistantly, game after game, then there is an issue..... and someone telling me to play slow and worse is just a cop out....

Originally posted by rpvankasteren
Problem with high-paced matches is that your players get tired. Their reflexes must be falling, or something like that, when you reach later stages of a game.
It would be realistic, kind off, but it sure isn't made visible.

yea, understandable... but this is all throughout the match, every match....

It would explain why you get a goal against in the latter stages of the game. Maybe the strikers are just trying too hard. :S

OMG with strikers that have 18 for finishing or higher I still don't manage to score against Bergenz

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/maxiboesz-Shootingbugh.jpg

thats normal mate. i put nistelrooy + saha up front. whole match have 30 shots but only have 6 on target.

another thing really annoying me. my winger (giggs and ronaldo or others) they like to shot at impossible angle. cut it inside penalty box, they rather on side net or keeper save than pass to center for other players tab it. thats ridiculous

if this is happening then send SI a pkm of the match and they will look at it now.... too late for my saved games as i have uninstalled, but look on the SI site for info on how to, save a pkm and then email it to them explaining what they are looking at... the more of these we can get sent across, the better, because they can then address the issue.... hopefully...

I've started to play the beta demo, as i uninstalled CM03/04. I've noticed that the GK doesnt follow your instructions (you tell him to pass the ball to the defenders instead of kicking it, but he does the contrary). Also, my strikers cant hit a barn door (maybe it's the training schedule, dunno), and their strikers hit the target pretty often.

Plus on long shots, my GK, Kirkland in the case, doesnt move a finger to save the ball. Usually, if it hits the target it's in, as Kirko simply doesnt move. Also, Liverpool looks pretty underrated.

I mean, Cisse is ****e, Baros is average at best, neither Josemi or Finnan perform well for me, and anyone with a decent amount of pace makes a fool out of Hyypia. Not to mention Luis Garcia cant play a 7 for his life.

Jesus Christ. I guess they solved some of the Match Engine problems in the Gold demo, so i'm keen to play the full game. I had some troubles with the CM03/04 demo aswell, so...

My last match with Pool was a 1-1 draw with Fulham, i had 20+ shots and they had 7 or so (2 on target). I'm doing so ****e, 2 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses.

The Beta demo is full of crap. Try the gold demo.

Less than a week for the full game release. I'm not even going to bother downloading it i guess. Until the release, i guess i'll keep playing PES3 (god damnit, why dont ******* Konami release the PC version already?!).

anyone else finding that a lot of shots are being deflected/blocked? :confused:

yes, isn't it happen in real life as well?

hmmm.....like i play fifa only...:o

Originally posted by ngyc
yes, isn't it happen in real life as well?


surely not as much as in FM.......... im having all these teams with 9 men in the box and i cant get a shot on goal :S

i realize while CPU is defending. they draw back every single players into the penalty box which made it so crowded :confused:

another example. Alright we won but with 30 shots on goal and 1 goal in the last minute makes me piss off. :kader:

I'm Man Utd. And even with the likes of RVN, Rooney, Saha and Smith, 75% of my shots still seem to go wide :( (:/)

Originally posted by Dazmania
I'm Man Utd. And even with the likes of RVN, Rooney, Saha and Smith, 75% of my shots still seem to go wide :( (:/)

you're not alone :crazyboy: probably total shot per game for me is around 25-30. probably 4-6 on target :|:|:|

rvn doesnt take shots anyway, he just sits in the box waiting for the ball to hit his head or foot. so 75% missed is reasonable

fm......well.......:kader: