matchday: Tuesday November 23, start at around 20:45 CET.

ok, let's hope the players have put Barca match behind them and have all focus on this clash. they defeated us 3-0 in Germany so now its payback time! (H)

this is the squad that as of now are available for play.

goalkeepers: Casillas, Cesár

defenders: Salgado, Pavón, Samuel, Helguera, Roberto Carlos, Mejía and Raúl Bravo.

midfielders: Figo, Beckham, Guti, Celades, Zidane and Solari

forwards: Morientes, Owen, Raúl and Ronaldo


my prediction is 3-1 for Madrid

Ronaldo, Owen, Raúl
Berbatov

It's Bayer not Bayern :crazyboy:

1-1

2-2 ;)

2-2 :)

owen and ronaldo

5-0 Real

Leverkusen haven't won an away game since April, neither CL nor league.

Besides that they're only 12th in the league and got their ass kicked by Schalke on the weekend.

Easy win for Real.

Real 3-0
Ronaldo
Owen
Carlos

2-0 leverkusen :(

i predict a Madrid win, i forget what score i predicted in the prediction league, but itll be by that score i predicted

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/preview?id=169193&cc=5901

Real face nerve-racking showdown

Real Madrid v Bayer Leverkusen
MADRID, Nov 22 (Reuters) - After morale-sapping defeats at the weekend Real Madrid and Bayer Leverkusen go head-to-head in the Champions League on Tuesday knowing that another slip-up could spell the end of their hopes of making the next round.

Real were dealt a humbling 3-0 defeat by arch-rivals Barcelona at the Nou Camp, while Leverkusen lost their first home match of the season when they went down by the same scoreline against Schalke 04.

With the two sides and Dynamo Kiev all tied on seven points in Group B, the complicated mathematics mean that a win for Real would put them through, but defeat at the Bernabeu would leave them at the mercy of other two sides who play each other in the final round of matches.

Real have been in disappointing form throughout the season and after Saturday's loss to Barca the talk in the Spanish media is that the team are in terminal decline.

But midfielder David Beckham, who was criticised for his anonymous performance at the Nou Camp, believes a win against Leverkusen will end talk of a crisis at the club.

'I don't think it's the end of any cycle I just thing it's was a bad result for us and we have to move on,' the England captain said.

'We need to get back to winning games and playing good football and we all know that Tuesday's match is a massive game for us. If we win everyone will be happy again.'

Beckham hinted that that he is still not match fit after his six-week injury lay-off and coach Mariano Garcia Remon could choose to drop Raul back into midfield and bring in Michael Owen up front in order to go for the win that would see Real through.

Raul goes into the match needing just one goal to equal the all-time European Cup scoring record of former Real great Alfredo Di Stefano whose record of 49 European goals has stood for just over 40 years.

He has also scored against Bayer before, most memorably in the 2002 Champions League final which Real won 2-1 in Glasgow.

Centre-back Ivan Helguera faces a late fitness test to see if he has recovered from the knee problems that kept him out of the Barca game, but right winger Luis Figo looks set to play despite some pain in his ankle.

Leverkusen, who slipped to 11th in the Bundesliga standings, after their defeat at home to Schalke 04, should welcome back skipper Jens Nowotny, who missed the game because of a minor stomach problem.

The Germans crushed Real 3-0 when they met at the BayArena in the opening group match in September and coach Klaus Augenthaler is optimistic that they can repeat that sort of performance in the return at the Bernabeu.

'We have another chance against Real and we must take it,' said coach Klaus Augenthaler. 'No one gives us much of a chance but we know we've always been a good side.'

Hanno Balitsch was also left out against Schalke, with Bernd Schneider preferred in the right wing-back slot. Augenthaler is set to reinstall Balitsch on the right of midfield and give Juan the right-sided defender's role against Real.

Probable teams:

Real Madrid: 1-Iker Casillas; 2-Michel Salgado, 19-Walter Samuel, 22-Francisco Pavon or 6-Ivan Helguera, 3-Roberto Carlos; 10-Luis Figo, 14-Guti, 23-David Beckham or 11-Michael Owen, 5-Zinedine Zidane, 7-Raul; 9-Ronaldo

Bayer Leverkusen: 1-Joerg Butt; 4-Juan, 5-Jens Nowotny, 3-Roque Junior; 25-Bernd Schneider, 28-Carsten Ramelow, 12-Andriy Voronin, 35-Diego Placente; 10-Paul Freier, 16-Jacek Krzynowek; 9-Dimitar Berbatov

Referee: Alain Hamer (Luxembourg)

Real Madrid 3-2 Bayer Leverkusen

Raul
Michael Owen x 2

Berbatove
Franca

1-0 Real Madrid

Raul

0-1
Berbatov
Leverkusen's first away win since April :p

3-0


Raul Hat-trick.

We win and we're in.(H)

Last time this fixture was happening, Madrid lost 3-0 and also lost me £15,000 on a bet. I hope you lose 20 - 0 cause I'm not putting my money on you this time. (H)

(Casillas OG x 5, Berbatov x 10 and Franca x 5)

:mrpimp:

4-0 Real
Owen
Raul
Ronaldo
Roberto Carlos:crazyboy:

Real got thrashed by Leverkusen last time around and i'm expecting pretty much the same.

Leverkusen haven't won in a long time so Real should be able to win

real madrid 19 - 0 bayer leverkusen

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Originally posted by RonaldinhoBR10
real madrid 19 - 0 bayer leverkusen

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hehe, you wish

im expecting Leverkusen winning again, remember their last match camacho quit, no its remon's turn!

i dont think so cuz real play well at home.

now its at bernabeu...3-0 Madrid: Raul, Owen, Becks, zidane, ronni....ohhh thats too many players well, i guess: raul, becks, zidane(H)

Bayer to win 1-0
Voronin

I can't believe TSN isn't showing this game.

I cant believe espn isnt showing this game either....BUNCH OF BULL they show the useless Madrid games, but the important ones they dont show...

If Madrid play like they did against Barca they'll lose. If Madrid can figure out how to get the ball to the fowards with space then Ronaldo will take care of the rest....or Raul....or Owen if he's given a ball in front of goal....it depends on the midfield IMO

Time for recovering from a bad dream (Camp Nou) and for revenge :mexican:

Madrid 3 -0 Leverkusen

They will need an aspirine :mrpimp:

I have a feeling this will be a tie... but I sure do hope that Lever rapes Real Mierda analy. :mrpimp:

I'll be watching and supporting Leverkusen tho I don't think Madrid can lose this one.They're at home but I wish best of luck to the Germans.

Should be good.

VAMO REAL CARAJO ... QUE TIENEN QUE GANAR !!!

really, Real Madrid with that squad shouldn't have ANY problem to win Leverkusen, but SH*T happens ... it would be really sad if real dont win ... a good match as it seems :rockman:

This i think will be the game i listen to on uefa.com's action pass

What a tackle by Samuel. :hump:


Even match so far.

I swear to God I hear those monkey chants again.

real madrid arent playing at their best so far

i think figo needs to come out right now

right now real madrid are looking like they were in the beginning of the season......horrible.......

i dont know wut happened to them!!!

Originally posted by enigma
I swear to God I hear those monkey chants again.

I hear it too. (:/)

I am watching it on the internet so I can't hear it.


F*ck !

0-1

Video Link?

yep and its looking ****** horrible right now madrid are playing ****

www.soccerstreams.com


How the hell did Samuel do that?

wut a chance for real wasted...........

its looking like we are starting to warm up now.....hopefully

did Samuel fu(ked up again?

veronin almost scores bayers second goal

Originally posted by Atlas
did Samuel fu(ked up again?

yeah actually it was him.......................always

0-1 HT


from uefa.com -

36' Berbatov (Leverkusen) scores! Leverkusen take the lead as Madrid's incessant drums are momentarily silenced. Nowotny hits a right-wing cross that Voronin heads against the bar. But the ball rebounds against the helpless Samuel and Placente gives the visitors the lead.

God what is up with the racism. I feel good for Bayer, good they're one nil up. Those racist ****s can now shut up.

But I think Real will explode in the second half, though.

jaja Madrid are dead. the only hope is to start playing like they did against AS Roma
but I doubt it

http://www.as.com/futbol/imagenes/capturas/2004/noviembre/23/1.jpg

http://www.as.com/futbol/imagenes/capturas/2004/noviembre/23/2.jpg

http://www.as.com/futbol/imagenes/capturas/2004/noviembre/23/3.jpg

The Real Madrid fans are a f*cking disgrace. Anytime Juan or Roque Junior got the ball you could hear those monkey chants. Furthermore there were people waving Nazi flags behind the Real's goal.

if they are doing that FIFA or UEFA should do something about it and NOW i hope more that Real Madrid loses the match

those are not Real Madrid fans anymore, thats just a racist group. and they even chanted "uh uh uh" at Kryznowek or however it is spelled at the begginning, and that boy couldnt be any more white.

Btw, **** performance except for the end, and Zidane made so many ******* errors, though he got better at the end, Beckham has been good imho, and its the same **** as against Barcelona, the players arent running, its happened like 10 times that they leave the ball to the player behind them and some Bayer player runs and takes it.

Originally posted by -Vince-
The Real Madrid fans are a f*cking disgrace.

******* disgraceful. Absolutely TERRIBLE.

Real losing again.(H)

Originally posted by -Vince-
The Real Madrid fans are a f*cking disgrace. Anytime Juan or Roque Junior got the ball you could hear those monkey chants. Furthermore there were people waving Nazi flags behind the Real's goal.


I don't want to defend those ****s for anything, but those are the Ultras Sur.

Theyare a group of 150-250 racist 'fans'


It's a shame. :(

Originally posted by Drvar
those are not Real Madrid fans anymore, thats just a racist group. and they even chanted "uh uh uh" at Kryznowek or however it is spelled at the begginning, and that boy couldnt be any more white.

Btw, **** performance except for the end, and Zidane made so many ******* errors, though he got better at the end, Beckham has been good imho, and its the same **** as against Barcelona, the players arent running, its happened like 10 times that they leave the ball to the player behind them and some Bayer player runs and takes it.

for real jaja they look like someone playing chekers.

Zidane has the ball everybody is standing still than he gives the ball to Raul who start moving and Zidane stand still jajaja

DAMN IT, SAMUEL...you gotta get on track son...come on man, what the f^ck r u thinking mijo....as for the racist chants, its a damn shame that a couple hundred fans disgrace the sport and all the real madrid fans around the world....this kind of ignorant behavior HAS to be stopped immediately:kader:

yeah I heard uh-uh-uh too and I was surprised coz it was to white players, maybe now we have black rasist hools and they shout only at white players in revenge..fools

nice game by Bayer, draw is good but victory of course is better :mrpimp:
terrible misses from Jaca, he could score twice..

becks looks hurt pretty bad

never mind.....it was just a hard hit on roque junior.....face to face..........

Originally posted by Mayor
yeah I heard uh-uh-uh too and I was surprised coz it was to white players, maybe now we have black rasist hools and they shout only at white players in revenge..fools

:|:|:|

im getting tired of BECKS....i wouldnt miss him at all if he went back to England...if i were madrid i would trade Becks straight up for Xabi Alonso OR Steven Gerrard

Owen must come in NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beckham just colided with Roque Junior.


It looked like he was knocked out for a few seconds.

He's back on now.


Vamos Madrid

did u guys see wut samuel did that almost caused the second goal?????????????????

wut the F*CK is he thinking??????????????

Originally posted by ronnifan9
im getting tired of BECKS....i wouldnt miss him at all if he went back to England...if i were madrid i would trade Becks straight up for Xabi Alonso OR Steven Gerrard

please we wouldn't even trade Salif Diao for that piss of ****

El Moro is getting ready :rockman:

becks sucks............................



sub real:

morientes (in)

beckham (out)

i think guti should have came out e didnt touch the ball

yeeeey...come on Moro....(H)

but at least Guti tries to tackle unlike Beckham he might get his shirt dirty

Originally posted by Atlas
Beckham he might get his shirt dirty

Haha.

(H)

real is looking much better now the becks came out

i like moro much more and i think he should start instead of becks in every game

Samuel just saved us

real is looking much better now

vamos pinche madrid!!!!...jueguen con huevos!!!!

NOOOOOO

wut a chance for real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by ronnifan9
vamos pinche madrid!!!!...jueguen con huevos!!!!

thats what Beckham do el si juega con los huevos (H)

WUT THE F*CK

how does morientes miss from that close??????????????

Originally posted by Atlas
thats what Beckham do el si juega con los huevos (H)

........:rolleyes:

Owen!!!Owen!!!Owen!!!Owen!!!Owen!!!Owen!!!

How did Morientes miss that header !!!!!!

Owen should be brought in I think he is Madrid most iin-form striker right now

great goal!

GGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL


WUT A PLAY BY FIGO AND ZIDANE AND PASSES IT TO RAUL AND TAPS IT IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RAUL!!!!

Finally.

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLl



DEL MADRID !!!


1-1


RAAAAAAUL !!


Otra mas


Figo is so much class.

madrid is by far the better team right now

Took long enough. Now one more dammit!!!!!!!!!!!!!:f***:

OOOOUUUUUUUUUUU



almost roberto carlos reat shot but the huge goalie saves it


maaaaannn we are so close to winning this match

Is Figo credited with the assist???

noooooooo
dynamo scored

now real need to win

Originally posted by RonaldinhoBR10
noooooooo
dynamo scored

now real need to win


NO! Actually Roma scored.......


































....in their own net..... :f***:

FFFFF*****CCCCCCCKKKKKK

\OFF THE POST FOR REAL SOOOOOO CLOSE!!!!

AND NOW WE HAVE A FREE KICK RIGHT OUTSIDE THE BOX......R.CARLOS.......

LETS GOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Nuno79
Is Figo credited with the assist???


He better be.


I don't see why he wouldn't



What a chance for Raul, he hit the post :(

DID U GUYS SEE HOW CLOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!

THIS F*CKING KEEPER IS SAVING EVERYTHING

AND NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER FREE KICK

Originally posted by RUSI
He better be.


I don't see why he wouldn't



What a chance for Raul, he hit the post :(

Just asking so I can update my stats.

penalty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YEEAAAHHH!!!!

Holy sh!t. :eek::|:eek::|:|

FIGO MISSED!!!!!!!!!


DAMNNNNNNN

nOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF is going on DammiT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

U DONT KNOW HOW F*CKING PISSED I AM RIGHT NOW

Oh my God.


Today is not our day. :(

Butt is being a Real ASS today!!!!!!!!

DYNAMO 2-0

F*CK!!!!!

Dynamo is wining till now is like this

Dynamo 10
Leverkusen 8
Real Madrid 8
AS Roma 1 (H)

Luckily we will be playing roma next

yeah true....i'd say we win easily by 4-1

UEFA Cup.

(H)

DAMMMMM BAYER ALMOST SCORED

IF THE STUPID REAL COACH DOESNT START MORIENTES VS ROMA ILL BE PISSED

I don't understand why Owen didn't play today....:(

moro is better than owen

ref says +4 mins

if they played owen i think they would have won

game over

God Damn It


FT 1-1


We deserved better.

now Real Must beat AS Roma
Leverkusen by tie with Dynamo and a tie by Madrid will be enough for them

FT 1-1, hopefully Dynamo can won or tie next matchday

Game over. Real Mierda ties at home, Roma gets raped (once again) and Bayern wins 5-1... its been a good day. :mrpimp:

Haha, Real suck.(H)

UEFA Cup is beckoning.(H)

All we have to do is beat Roma and we're through to the next round. No other option.

Ronaldo is absolute ****e. (H)

We win and we're in.

(again)



A loss for Bayer and a tie for us also puts us through I think.

Figo Man of the Match, like in every ******* game of Real Madrid this year :).
We deserved to win IMHO, luck wasnt on our side either today. When Figo misses a penalty, you know its a bad sign :).

Not a great result considering we were at home and had a pen. Im dissapointed but confident we'll qualify.

We just had horrible luck today. And what's happening to Ronaldo? I think we need to start Owen up front with him. I think Beckham should sit for a few games.

Originally posted by Sheringham10
0-1
Berbatov
Leverkusen's first away win since April :p
heh I was close.. only if Raul didn't score :p
Real are :sb9: :sb9: :sb9:
Welcome to the UEFA cup (almost) (H)

Leverkusen deserved that point.


Good thing Zidane's dive didn't get them a goal.

Leverkusen let them play, that was their mistake in the second half.

Both teams could've won it so I guess the draw is deserved.

Zidane looked like a 80 year old grandpa out there.

Originally posted by Sheringham10

Welcome to the UEFA cup (almost) (H)

it ain't over till the fat lady sings :o a win against roma in an empty stadium is all we need. :o

Walter Samuel is playing like one of those Championship defenders out there. Leverkusen has to rue their chances for not punishing him.

Originally posted by IceBlu
Leverkusen deserved that point.


Good thing Zidane's dive didn't get them a goal.

It was a clear penalty, very very clear, dont think Leverkusen fans will whine about it :)

Originally posted by fh_29
it ain't over till the fat lady sings :o

Does Ronaldo count?
:(

Originally posted by Andrejs
Does Ronaldo count?
:(


(H)


I'd laugh so much if Real Madrid go out first round. They'd deserve for having some of the worst fans.

Originally posted by Dreath
(H)


I'd laugh so much if Real Madrid go out first round. They'd deserve for having some of the worst fans.
Yeah + UEFA must take action

btw I think Ronaldo should start sitting on the bench from now on.. ofcourse those Ronaldo fanatics will automatically disagree..

Originally posted by IceBlu
Good thing Zidane's dive didn't get them a goal.

http://www.as.com/futbol/imagenes/capturas/2004/noviembre/23/10.jpg


Yep, clear dive. :rolleyes:



:kader:

Originally posted by Sheringham10
btw I think Ronaldo should start sitting on the bench from now on.. ofcourse those Ronaldo fanatics will automatically disagree..

so true, I expect to see some complaints from certain Ronaldo dickryders about how Ronaldo is sooooooooooo much better than RVN who only scores on tap-ins, blah blah blah blah..... it's funny, Real Madrid's problem last season was conceding too many goals, they buy Samuel and get 2 strikers but now they can't score goals. it's basically the same team with just Samuel in the 1st XI. If you look at the number of goals conceded so far, Samuel has actually been quite effective IMO it's just that he commits so many fouls. I think when Woodgate returns and Helguera can move to mid, then their season can turn around. Maybe if Mascherano comes and lives up to his billing, Real will once again be a force to be reckoned with but La Liga is Barca's I think. And honestly Zizou needs to go at the end of this season, he's just a shadow of who he was last season and I'd hate for him to ruin his reputation:( Anyway I think Real's best hope could be the UEFA Cup which is where I think they're going

i actually wouldnt be pissed.....wait, ronaldo to the bench????....r u f^cken kidding me bro.....thats like saying cesar should start instead of casillas:kader: ...as for the penalty, well you aint gonna make ALL of them, but this one would have given us a step into the next round....oh well:(

Raul's goal:

http://d9.yousendit.com/E/1697BF5EDB67F19779445A0F9D5AB392/Real.wmv

:rockman:

Originally posted by henry#14
[...] it's basically the same team with just Samuel in the 1st XI. If you look at the number of goals conceded so far, Samuel has actually been quite effective IMO it's just that he commits so many fouls. [...] Real Madrid have played 19 games so far, CL+Liga+Copa

With Samuel, 11 games, 16 goals conceded
Without Samuel, 8 games, 3 goals conceded :|



World class, Pavon is the guilty. :confused: :kader:

Originally posted by Dream Team
Real Madrid have played 19 games so far, CL+Liga+Copa

With Samuel, 11 games, 16 goals conceded
Without Samuel, 8 games, 3 goals conceded :|



World class, Pavon is the guilty. :confused: :kader:

haha (H) :mrpimp:

Samuel sucks IMO, the entire Madrid defence sucks.(H)

Originally posted by manutd4eva
Samuel sucks IMO, the entire Madrid defence sucks.(H)


He has played very inconsistently this season.

Walter has made weird (best way to describe it) mistakes.


He proves that he has class with some of the tackles that he makes. Today he made a handful of tackles that saved great opportunities from Bayer. Tackles on Berbatov and Ramelow come to mind.


I think Woodgate coming back (for good, i hope) will be a huge help to the team

Originally posted by Dream Team
Real Madrid have played 19 games so far, CL+Liga+Copa

With Samuel, 11 games, 16 goals conceded
Without Samuel, 8 games, 3 goals conceded :|



World class, Pavon is the guilty. :confused: :kader:

what the hell was I talking about then? :crazyboy:

Originally posted by RUSI
http://www.as.com/futbol/imagenes/capturas/2004/noviembre/23/10.jpg


Yep, clear dive. :rolleyes:



:kader:


Yes, clear dive indeed. Look at that pic yourself. He went in looking for that leg to stick out and fall with minimal contact. His body language suggested he was going to fall anyway.

Its experience, reputation and theatrics that got him the penalty. Good thing the oaf didn't convert the spot kick.

anyone have highlights of this match?

Real Madrid could be punished by Uefa after a section of the club's fans directed racial abuse at Bayer Leverkusen's black players.

Some fans at the Bernabeu stadium directed monkey chants at Leverkusen defenders Roque Junior and Juan during the 1-1 draw in the Champions League.

Several members in the home sections could also be seen making Nazi salutes.

The ugly scenes follow similar taunts suffered by England's black players in a friendly in Spain on 17 November.

England lost the match 1-0 but the match was marred by the racist chanting which Ashley Cole and Shaun Wright-Phillips, in particular, had to endure.

Fifa has demanded an explanation from the Spanish Football Federation for the events and the English Football Association has sent a letter of complaint to Uefa and Fifa as well as their counterparts. in Spain.

The international came under Fifa jurisdiction but the Champions League game on Tuesday comes under Uefa's control.

Their control and disciplinary panel may now take action after reviewing the referee's report and examining video and audio recordings from the match.

bbc.co.uk

why do real madrid not ban these sick fans. they should of been ejected from the stadium.

when woodgate returns, real fans we see what they been missing. the guy is quality!!

Originally posted by -Vince-

Real Madrid could be punished by Uefa after a section of the club's fans directed racial abuse at Bayer Leverkusen's black players.

Some fans at the Bernabeu stadium directed monkey chants at Leverkusen defenders Roque Junior and Juan during the 1-1 draw in the Champions League.

Several members in the home sections could also be seen making Nazi salutes.

The ugly scenes follow similar taunts suffered by England's black players in a friendly in Spain on 17 November.

England lost the match 1-0 but the match was marred by the racist chanting which Ashley Cole and Shaun Wright-Phillips, in particular, had to endure.

Fifa has demanded an explanation from the Spanish Football Federation for the events and the English Football Association has sent a letter of complaint to Uefa and Fifa as well as their counterparts. in Spain.

The international came under Fifa jurisdiction but the Champions League game on Tuesday comes under Uefa's control.

Their control and disciplinary panel may now take action after reviewing the referee's report and examining video and audio recordings from the match.

bbc.co.uk


I heard that yesterday. When Junior fouled Zidane (i think) and got booked, you could clearly hear the racist sounds.

But when Nowotny did the same and got booked, there were just regular boos and whistles.

Just shameful. Like club, like fans.

On Skysports they showed the people doing it, the first lot were actually Madrid fans I think, just normal people with Madrid scarves etc, and were just doing the racist chants and then shoutin other things. But the second lot probably didnt even support madrid, they may have but they just looked interested in chanting racist things. They had no shirts on, and one had a massive Nazi tattoo on his arm.

It's bad though, but fining the club isnt really gonna solve it is it, get those fans out. If that happened here the fans behind those people, or next to would of said somethin. But they were just left to do what they want :kader:

were them nazi's actually ejected from the ground or not??

Nope.

Apparently they're part of a group, and when the Micraphone's near them you can obviously hear it louder. The German TV people couldnt even pick it up they said, so it wasnt as bad as the England game. But I didnt know Spain really had people like that. Like I said in the Madrid thread, what if Lele and Flavio were still there. And Ronaldo's not exactly white is he.

Latest word is that they'll get a fine, or maybe be forced to play it behind closed doors, or at a neutral venue. But it's only about 10 people. So just chuck em out innit. It's not always as simple though, with death threats etc.

Originally posted by Amdy Faye
But I didnt know Spain really had people like that. Like I said in the Madrid thread, what if Lele and Flavio were still there. And Ronaldo's not exactly white is he.




That's the whole point. If you're a nazi/racist/whatever and come to games like these, you don't really care much for the club, you're just there to start trouble and provocate.

(N)

Did the Real fans really have a NPD (german Nazi party) flag?

Originally posted by Amdy Faye

But it's only about 10 people. So just chuck em out innit. It's not always as simple though, with death threats etc.

It was only a certain group of people but look at Roma's case where it was onlt one single person and they had their next 2 CL gaes behind closed doors.

Originally posted by IceBlu
Yes, clear dive indeed. Look at that pic yourself. He went in looking for that leg to stick out and fall with minimal contact. His body language suggested he was going to fall anyway.

Its experience, reputation and theatrics that got him the penalty. Good thing the oaf didn't convert the spot kick.



Call it a dive or whatever you want, the contact was worthy of a penalty. If it was a Juventus player, I guarantee you wouldn't say a damned thing.





Originally posted by IceBlu
Just shameful. Like club, like fans.

:kader:


This has to be the most ignorant post in a while.

Are you saying Real Madrid is a racist club?

You can't judge Real Madrid by 100 idiot fans.

Yup tru Dragan mate, and Elber, yep, one of the guys had a nazi tattoo on his arm, but I doubt he was actually a madrid fan. Wtf's he doin anyway with a nazi flag, he wasnt even alive when all that was goin on. Jus some Neo Nazi wannabe :kader:

And the penalty, like a lot these days, if the legs out, it's committed, you cannot do that in the penalty area. Like Rooney + Campbell. If the legs where, it's out.. You cant do that.

Originally posted by Amdy Faye
Wtf's he doin anyway with a nazi flag, he wasnt even alive when all that was goin on. Jus some Neo Nazi wannabe :kader:

That was a flag from todays German Nazi party, just at the middle of the Madrid Ultras.

This one click (http://www.flaggenkunde.de/deutscheflaggen/images/de%7Dnpd.gif)

I guess they really wanted to piss the opponent team off.

i've only seen confederate flags...which is still pretty ignorant:kader:

I dont really know a lot about Nazis lol, kinda did it in skewl but yea, there's still wannabe Nazi's about, but yea that guy had the actual Nazi tattoo, the original.

I cant believe Uefa havent even filed a report yet?.. Joke...

If ur gonna kill someone, do it on front of a Uefa representative, cause he sure as hell aint gonna tell anybody.

RAUL!!!

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http://www.bentex.co.uk/Real_Vs_Lev.wmv

LOL i thought it was live...

[vegagast]...thanx for the vid....i'd never seen it or heard it, but now that i've heard it, i asked myself "why"?????.....why such IGNORANCE:kader:

Originally posted by Horatiu
RAUL!!!

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you're too funny, thanks for that video Vagegast

Originally posted by Vagegast
http://www.bentex.co.uk/Real_Vs_Lev.wmv

sick

Originally posted by Vagegast
http://www.bentex.co.uk/Real_Vs_Lev.wmv


watch Crusad3r defend those scumbags.

Originally posted by Vagegast
http://www.bentex.co.uk/Real_Vs_Lev.wmv

:kader:



UEFA to probe Bernabeu incidents (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=317440&cc=5901) (Y)

Originally posted by IceBlu
watch Crusad3r defend those scumbags.

why do you tell me that ?

Im against that people, i have posted several time i feel ashamed cause UltraSur. But after all they are ... 200? 500 as much? in a stadium with 80.000 Real Madrid fans

Go f*ck another guy out there, and leave me alone please.

Crap people is crap people, dont care what team they support.

Real fans are supposed to kick the sh*t out of those dickheads.

Let's not pretend Real are the only one with this problem:-Four days after the abuse in Madrid, black striker Dwight Yorke said he was subjected to racist gestures and noises in Birmingham City's game at Blackburn. Police opened an investigation Monday.

-French club Paris Saint-Germain has an area where only white fans are welcome; another section is open to Paris' many Arab and black immigrants.

-Fans of Czech Republic team Sparta Prague still shout "Slavia Jude" (Slavia Jew) against local rivals Slavia Prague. The chant dates from pre-Second World War era when Slavia fans were often Jewish businessmen.

-Fans of Greek club Panathinaikos are under investigation for racial taunts last month against black players from English club Arsenal.

-Two black players at the French club Bastia were roughed up and insulted by 30 fans after a match earlier this month.http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=bbb0d047-beae-4425-a354-44b5b9772aae