Oliver Stone's work of love, Alexander, is an epic story, and I have to compare it to'Troy' and say that the latter is a much better movie, with richer characters, and though some people complained that Troy avoided the bisexuality of the men in those times (specially in the movie' hero Achilles), Alexander is over packed with it, taking it to a point where is actually laughable

Alexander The Great is played by Colin Farrell in an excellent performance that surpasses his work in this year's, and also gay themed, 'A Home at the End of the World', only because of Alexander's massiveness. And also about that movie, where they decided to cut the scene where Colin's dick is shown, they show it here, in the shadows but they do, though there's a much longer scene of nudity which I'll discuss later.

Angelina Jolie plays Alexander's mother Olympias. She wants the best for Alexander, which is of course the kingdom, and she'll do whatever for Alexander to get it, even if she ends up being hated by him. Angelina looks beautiful, she's not old enough to play a 20 year old's mother yet, but it really didn't bother me. She was good at it, except for her accent which took me a while to get comfortable with.

King Philip II of Macedon, and Alexander's father (though not his birth father) is portrayed by Val Kilmer in a very good performance. He's got a few great scenes of rage and drunkenness, and his eye (or lack of it) also takes a while to get comfortable with, and in close ups you can't take your eyes out of it, but it doesn't hurt the character either which is a good character.

Anthony Hopkins gets top billing in the movie but his part is very small. He plays Ptolemy in his older days (he was one of Alexander's companions), and he narrates the story.

The we have the two loves of Alexander's life, and I'm not talking about his mother and father, nor about his child, cause he didn't have any (well, he did have one, but he never met him cause the child was born after Alexander's death), I'm talking about his wife Roxane, a dancer he fell in love with while in Persia, and his friend Hephaistion who was the person who he loved the most.
Roxane is played by Rosario Dawson in an ok performance. She doesn't have much to do except to get naked, and we get a full nude from her. Didn't know she had such huge tits.
Jared Leto plays Hephaistion, and his performance is very good.

My problems with the movie are a few, starting with the whole bisexuality issue, because it really was too much. The way Alexander and Hephaistion looked at each other all the time had a gay way to it, and don't get me started with Alexander's not love of his life but sexual partner, the bathing boy. When Alexander and the whole group goes into the Persian Harem, the place it's full of women, and Alexander, being the King, gets first choice, but his eyes are not with the women, but with this guy that is later going to bathe him.
And all the other guys kiss every now and then too, and at the parties there are old guys spanking the younger ones, etc. Stone really went too far with it cause while it was true, it happened, he spent too much time showing it.

My other complain is the editing, and not the way the story went back and forth in the years, but specifically during the battles. The first one is also very similar to the Battle of Pelennor Fields in the Lord of the Rings: Return of the King in magnitude and style, only that more dirtier, but bad edited and choreographed. The second battle, which happens in the woods, is better but still has editing problems. Both battles have a very good deal of gore though.

Colin's work here is really Oscar worthy, and it'd be great if he gets nominated, as well as Oliver Stone direction, because I don't think that the movie will.

if you like epic, historic movies, you'll like it, though if you didn't like Troy, you probably wont like this one. I did :D

Colin Farrell has been one of my favorite actors of late. I'll surely be checking out this one.(Y)

forget colin ferrel...and the movie TOO...i just want to see those lucious lips of Angelina Jolie on screen....she's the only reason i'll pay 9 dollars to see this damn movie(H)

I've wanted to see it for a while now but I personally don't think it will be that good, although I did like Troy.

I will have to wait a couple of weeks to see it.

Alexander is getting horrific reviews

sucks for the most expensive movie in the history of cinema.

I read a preview of Alexander in Empire. I really dislike the work of Oliver Stone, and since the abominations that were Troy and King Arthur, I have been put of the historical epic genre, but I will probably give this a try anyway as it will be one of the 'big things' of 2005 - plus anything that's good enough for Anthony Hopkins is good enough for me.

Unlike Troy, I dont really know the real historical story of Alexander the Great very well, so hopefully it wont be spoiled by the very likely chance that much of it is historically inaccurate. I wouldnt have thought Colin Farrell would have been a natural choice to play Alexander, but from what you say about his performance I guess he was.

I havent heard of either of the actresses that play his lovers, but I'll assume they're pretty fit, so it will probably be worth watching on the whole.

well Troy is mostly Mithology created by Homer.

Alexander was flesh and blood and they had historians that dedicated their lives to the knowledge of Alexander's life, coming over from the UK to help in the movie.

I watched in a documentary that one of these historians accepted no payment except taking part in a scene of cavalary charge under the command of Alexander.

Dunno how can the movie be such a mess, but will soon find out.

Originally posted by Virgo
well Troy is mostly Mithology created by Homer.
Even so, I would have liked the film to have stayed as faithful to Homer's account as possible, the fact that Menelaus and Agamemnon die at Troy is just so stupid and that whole film will give people such a bad idea of what the Illiad and Odyssey are really all about.

Based on history, or mythology, both these movies are crap. Typical hollywood cash-making movies :)

Troy is one of the reasons I haven't gone to a movie theater in months.

Well, if this one's even worse than Troy than... :-puke:

Never saw Troy, can't decide if I wanna give this one a shot.

seen Troy....thought it was average at best....hope Angelina Jolie is naked in Alexander...........:hump:

she's not. Rosario Dawson is.

really?....well, i'll settle for that....she aint that bad;)

Originally posted by Virgo
sucks for the most expensive movie in the history of cinema. $150 million is the most expensive movie ever? really?

nah, or maybe for a single movie. probably Titanic costed more :confused:

I know that the LotR trilogy was 300 million. the first Matrix was 70 million and Reloaded and Revolutions together were 300 million.
Terminator 3 was 170 million too I think.

Originally posted by Hakeem
she's not. Rosario Dawson is.
Wait, is she the one from The Rundown and Shattered Glass?

Originally posted by Vagegast
$150 million is the most expensive movie ever? really? I'm pretty sure Heaven's Gate cost more than that, as it has the record for the highest loss margin of all time I think. I think it cost $200m and made $25m, bankrupting Universal Artists in the process.

It's so annoying, the historical film you really want to be accurate, well researched and faithful (Troy) is so rediculously un-so that its unwatchable, and the film where I wanted a bit of elaboration and for the old legends remain and be expanded upon (King Arthur) is the one which they research and get to such a degree of historical accuracy that it's just some random poor-quality roman film. Oh how the Hollywood minds work.

Originally posted by bjmenge
Wait, is she the one from The Rundown and Shattered Glass?

yep.

Ah. Always thought she was kinda cute.

I went to see Alexander today... and...

IT IS ABSOLUTELY ONE OF THE DULLEST AND ****IEST MOVIE I HAVE EVER SEEN

The whole movie is sooooooooo repetitive, they keep on making the same dumb speeches and the plot is really ****ed up. Also there are alot of gay men and shemale stuff in the movie.

I fell asleep twice during the 3 long boring hours... the only reason that I didnt leave early is becuz I'm cheap and I don't want to spend 8 bux for nuthin...

:kader: :kader: :kader: :kader: :kader: :f***: :f***:

Honestly, trust me, DO NOT go see this movie, it really isn't worth it.

I bet you it isn't even that bad, just like the Village and Troy, they were good, you just have seen better or in your world, it's the worst film ever because it didn't meet your all so high expectations.

I bet you it is watchable, just the Troy is (and really, it is, some, wait, if not all of the fight scenes are fantastic), and the Village is (just to see what everyone is talking about agian and again). You are probably all influenced by your peers or by what others think... that's why you all say it sucked and all stick in groups... generally speaking.

That's why if one person says a movie is bad, you all do... I tend to be on the other end of the string here, I say that sucked and you all say "no, it was great!" like Man on Fire, or I say it was good and you all say "That sucked!" Like the Village.

Originally posted by hopeunited
I went to see Alexander today... and...

IT IS ABSOLUTELY ONE OF THE DULLEST AND ****IEST MOVIE I HAVE EVER SEEN

The whole movie is sooooooooo repetitive, they keep on making the same dumb speeches and the plot is really ****ed up. Also there are alot of gay men and shemale stuff in the movie.

I fell asleep twice during the 3 long boring hours... the only reason that I didnt leave early is becuz I'm cheap and I don't want to spend 8 bux for nuthin...

:kader: :kader: :kader: :kader: :kader: :f***: :f***:

Honestly, trust me, DO NOT go see this movie, it really isn't worth it.

So you knew the film was going to be about Alexander, why did you go and see it then?

You said, it was boring, but you knew what it was going to be about didn't you? You make no sense... you sound young as well, I bet your 10.

I will go and see it anyway.

Originally posted by Callan
So you knew the film was going to be about Alexander, why did you go and see it then?

You said, it was boring, but you knew what it was going to be about didn't you? You make no sense... you sound young as well, I bet your 10.
Dude, look, u think only u know whats right whats wrong don't u? I'm not stupid, and I'm 16 yrs old, and also I have my own judgement, I dont always follow what others say. But if you have actually watched this movie, and if u have common sense, u would surely agree with all the critics. It simply is horrible. Ur right, maybe it wasn't THAT bad, but considering the cost of the movie, of course the expectations were very high, and for a film with this much hype, it definitely was crap.

I watched Troy and I liked it, but Alexander is nowhere near Troy's standard.

I suggest u watch the film before commenting... thats IF u feel like wasting 8 bux...

Originally posted by hopeunited
Dude, look, u think only u know whats right whats wrong don't u? I'm not stupid, and I'm 16 yrs old, and also I have my own judgement, I dont always follow what others say. But if you have actually watched this movie, and if u have common sense, u would surely agree with all the critics. It simply is horrible. Ur right, maybe it wasn't THAT bad, but considering the cost of the movie, of course the expectations were very high, and for a film with this much hype, it definitely was crap.

I watched Troy and I liked it, but Alexander is nowhere near Troy's standard.

I suggest u watch the film before commenting... thats IF u feel like wasting 8 bux...

how about some more constructive comments from yourself... dude. And I don't read what critics say because I don't agree with them, I have my own judgement, so stick that in your rear.

I will watch it when it comes out in Australia, how can I possibly watch it now?

Just don't over sensationalise your comments, it really annoys some people, particularly me, who tends to suggest that you cannot respect the time and effort in a film because you wasted your so expensive 8 dollars... Fair enough if it is bad, but don't blast it unconstructivly... dude.

Originally posted by hopeunited
Dude, look, u think only u know whats right whats wrong don't u? I'm not stupid, and I'm 16 yrs old, and also I have my own judgement, I dont always follow what others say. But if you have actually watched this movie, and if u have common sense, u would surely agree with all the critics. It simply is horrible. Ur right, maybe it wasn't THAT bad, but considering the cost of the movie, of course the expectations were very high, and for a film with this much hype, it definitely was crap.

I watched Troy and I liked it, but Alexander is nowhere near Troy's standard.

I suggest u watch the film before commenting... thats IF u feel like wasting 8 bux... LOL I trust Callan's view on films above almost everyone on this forums :p

I will definately see this film, just cos it's such a big thing.

the movie isn't that bad... not an epic like it should've been...

but yeah I was a little shocked by all those weird "guys looking at guys" moments, but maybe in those time the ppl were like that...

Christ, the kid just said he watched and hated the movie, it's one person's opinion, who cares....I dunno what some of you are getting all in a huff over.

Originally posted by ::shinji::
Christ, the kid just said he watched and hated the movie, it's one person's opinion, who cares....I dunno what some of you are getting all in a huff over.
It's like some people here think they're better than others because they're being regulars in this forum.

Originally posted by hopeunited
I watched Troy and I liked it, but Alexander is nowhere near Troy's standard.

I agree with that, though I didnt find the movie repetitive nor boring. yes, it was 3 hours long, but it was fine IMO.

Originally posted by Hyun
It's like some people here think they're better than others
because they're being regulars in this forum.

:rolleyes:

What can I say?

Originally posted by ::shinji::
Christ, the kid just said he watched and hated the movie, it's one person's opinion, who cares....I dunno what some of you are getting all in a huff over.

You should read IMDB sometime, it's hilarious.

this movie absolutely tanked at the box office...6th????:rofl:

oh man this is going to be the biggest flop in years

Originally posted by Callan
:rolleyes:

What can I say?
I'm dying.

This movie couldve been a lot better. It had it's solid moments, but at times it was just flat out boring and uninteresting. If they cut off 40 min of the dead weight than it couldve ran a lot smoother.

The only lasting impression from this movie was Ferrell's awesome performance, unintentionally funny gay moments and Rosario Dawsons Y-uge gun's.