Stadium ban for Besiktas
Tuesday, 23 November 2004
Besiktas JK must play their next three Turkish Superleague home matches behind closed doors following the killing of a fan at the Inönü stadium in Istanbul last weekend.

Sanction
The Turkish Football Association decided to impose the sanction after 16-year-old Cihat Aktas was stabbed to death when fighting broke out among Besiktas fans during half-time of Sunday's game against Rizespor. This decision means that the Inönü stadium will be empty for the matches against Istanbulspor AS, Akçaabat Sebatspor and Malatyaspor.



:kader:
ugly, ugly stuff, it's time for europe to get it's act together and stop the violence once and for all at soccer games, enough is enough. there is no reason any fan should have a weapon at any sporting event, and security needs to stop fights before they get this far. Besiktas should play out the rest of the season behind closed doors not just three games.

Is because some fans take it to the extreme and is not supossed to be like that , they need to calm down and only support their team.

Good job.. (Y) :rolleyes:

The other leagues must really look to the EPL for help, I honestly don't remember the last time I heard something as serious as this break out in England.

You can't stop violence in soccer, it won't ever go away. You can, however, contain it as much as possible.

Anyway, Besiktas should also be heavily fined.

This happened to two Leeds fans when they played in Turkey a few years ago. Two fans of Leeds United were stabbed to death and nothing happened. No games behind closed doors, No threat of a kicking out, no nothing.

Turkey should be banned from european competiton for at least 5 years

isn't turkey hosting the UEFA CUP and CL finals this season? :(

ok you all talked and now listen, I'll try to make it as clear as I can make

I'm turkish and a galatasaray fan. so I know what happened in the stadium rather than you the guys commenting from 6000 km's away. the stabbed fan had nothing to do with team, it's a personal disagreement so it's a criminal situation. it may happen elsewhere but it happened in a stadium. I agree, there's no room for a knife in a stadium, and the criminal didn't have a proper ticket for the match either. I again agree that stadium security is a bit lacking in turkey for domestical matches (clubs should obey UEFA rules in order to stay in competetions, so they do so in continental competetions).

and now, with your understanding, UEFA should ban AS Roma from international competetions for more than one matches, I don't know what the fcuk we should do to the persons who are responsible for Heysel (or whatever) in 1985, or we should permanently close the argentine league

and for dumbasses who are talking about EPL and Leeds: first we all know the stages you've gone through to obtain this discipline-security whatever you may call in EPL. hooliganism is a problem that you've faced and solved(?), it's not ours.

and for the leeds united case; turkish fans travel all over the continent for UEFA competetions, and our only clash is with you english bastards. but you get trouble to everywhere you go. that's what the world knows. for every action, there's a reaction. and a turkish reaction is quite a fcuking thing.

Originally posted by Ebonix
This happened to two Leeds fans when they played in Turkey a few years ago. Two fans of Leeds United were stabbed to death and nothing happened. No games behind closed doors, No threat of a kicking out, no nothing.

Turkey should be banned from european competiton for at least 5 years

do you know why leed fans killed? they were drunk at that night and they swear to Gala fans in street and fight begun and they died.. Did you watched NBA match Detroit-Indiana ? anybody could died at that fight..These fights is not only happening in Turkey..Why Turkey should be banned from European competitions??It's fans personel problem..It's not clubs problem..

Originally posted by rsnjg
isn't turkey hosting the UEFA CUP and CL finals this season? :(

uefa cup final is in lisbon at Sporting's stadium

Originally posted by diroix
do you know why leed fans killed? they were drunk at that night and they swear to Gala fans in street and fight begun and they died.. Did you watched NBA match Detroit-Indiana ? anybody could died at that fight..These fights is not only happening in Turkey..Why Turkey should be banned from European competitions??It's fans personel problem..It's not clubs problem..

actually it's not possible for someone to have been killed at that nba game considering that we here in the US don't let prople in with weapons, moron. we know how to control our fans and the worst thing you will see is someone getting punched and then security gets there immediatly to stop the fight.

And how the fvck is it not the clubs problem when a fan get murdered?!?! you must be the biggest idot, how can you be so dumb? it is first and foremost the clubs problem! and if I was in charge of the turkish fa or uefa I would ban besiktas the rest of the season and fine them heavily, and also force them to compinsate the poor family of this kid. this situation is absolutly disgusting and should never happen.

you're not in charge of turkish fa or UEFA so shut the fcuk up and do not comment like you know these situations better than them. unlike you, they investigate the situation first and then apply the proper charges-fines. you even don't know anything about the case. **** happens in a crowd-stadium, I've explained before that it was not a crowd trouble.

Originally posted by theedor
and for the leeds united case; turkish fans travel all over the continent for UEFA competetions, and our only clash is with you english bastards. but you get trouble to everywhere you go. that's what the world knows. for every action, there's a reaction. and a turkish reaction is quite a fcuking thing.

So you think killing people is a just reaction then....you are retarded mate.................:kader:

Originally posted by theedor
you're not in charge of turkish fa or UEFA so shut the fcuk up and do not comment like you know these situations better than them. unlike you, they investigate the situation first and then apply the proper charges-fines. you even don't know anything about the case. **** happens in a crowd-stadium, I've explained before that it was not a crowd trouble.

No and i guess Turkish fans are well behaved wherever they go huh?......You guys can be the most uncivilised supporters i have ever come across.You even had to have some matches played in another country because its too dangerous to go to Turkey to watch a football match......that is pathetic.You have written 2 posts and both of them are aggresive and violent.....you are not doing much of a job to convince people that you are a reasonable intelligent guy are you.........

pede54:

killing people is not a reaction.... turkish people can't just watch drunk bastards shouting out loud, swearing, making gestures to people in the middle of the night in the middle of istanbul. turkish people reacted and it was not killing directly!. a formal abuse turned into a fight, we turkish people are tempted. the point is, I'm writing with caps on, TURKISH FANS DID NOT AND DO NOT START FIGHTS, THAT'S THE ENGLISH FASHION!!..

and your second post, Galatasaray is playing in the champions league for 9 nine years. you may not have sufficient age to remember, I understand! just a reminder, turkish people travelled almost to every continent of europe; spain, norway, denmark, germany, bulgaria, russia, italy, france, switzerland, belgium, holland, czechia................ and think for their return.........

and now you just give me an example we behaved badly in these continents and I'll accept my bad. the only thing I can remember is AS Roma incident in Rome, and we all know, it was AS Roma style. it was almost the same thing that happened to Frisk.

people whom may call turkey as uncivilised should first think of their past. and it is dangerous yes to watch a football match in turkey if you're a bastard who is looking for trouble, otherwise, just talk someone who has previously been in turkey.

and at last, my reaction does not mean that neither I'm not unhappy for the stabbed guy(both for the leeds' case and besiktas case!) nor I do not accept the "relative" lack of security-discipline in football matches in turkey. I'm a bit pissed off comments from arses, made without knowing anything. there are governing and football authorities who are already taking care of this situation.

yeah turkish fans are angels.. :rolleyes:

I didn't meant that either. I wanted to make them think for their past before they post :sb9: 's.

in my opinion we're all the same shi*, we're all alike.

like it or not...violence wont leave soccer as long as games like (madrid vs barca) (river vs boca) (arsenal vs man u) are played...thats why i never get in fights at soccer games;) (i've been in one fight when my soccer coach decided to drink and fight some other paraguayan fan...anyways, we(5 people) won:evil: ...but had to sit somewhere else for the rest of the game

Originally posted by theedor
ok you all talked and now listen, I'll try to make it as clear as I can make

I'm turkish and a galatasaray fan. so I know what happened in the stadium rather than you the guys commenting from 6000 km's away. the stabbed fan had nothing to do with team, it's a personal disagreement so it's a criminal situation. it may happen elsewhere but it happened in a stadium. I agree, there's no room for a knife in a stadium, and the criminal didn't have a proper ticket for the match either. I again agree that stadium security is a bit lacking in turkey for domestical matches (clubs should obey UEFA rules in order to stay in competetions, so they do so in continental competetions).

and now, with your understanding, UEFA should ban AS Roma from international competetions for more than one matches, I don't know what the fcuk we should do to the persons who are responsible for Heysel (or whatever) in 1985, or we should permanently close the argentine league

and for dumbasses who are talking about EPL and Leeds: first we all know the stages you've gone through to obtain this discipline-security whatever you may call in EPL. hooliganism is a problem that you've faced and solved(?), it's not ours.

and for the leeds united case; turkish fans travel all over the continent for UEFA competetions, and our only clash is with you english bastards. but you get trouble to everywhere you go. that's what the world knows. for every action, there's a reaction. and a turkish reaction is quite a fcuking thing.

incredible how dumb you are :confused:

How about using metal detectors?

NOTE:
NOT TURKISH FANS!!!!!!!!!!!
ONLY THE besiktas FANS!!!!!!!!

f+ck u beziktas

:kader: :kader: :kader:

Originally posted by adizlaja
How about using metal detectors?

they will use from now on..

That seemed pretty ******* obvious to use them before. What if someone threw a knife or some **** at a player? God Damn.

Originally posted by PI-AIR 17
NOTE:
NOT TURKISH FANS!!!!!!!!!!!
ONLY THE besiktas FANS!!!!!!!!

f+ck u beziktas

:kader: :kader: :kader:


You're a tit.

Hahaha PI-AIR does it again :)

While we are at it, maybe you would like to translate all those racist remarks you made in Turkish league thread :)

Think everyone is jumping onto the bandwagon here. Turkish fans are no worse than French, Croats, Greeks or English. We all have our different styles.

In Easter Europe they have more scarfer types, where large groups get together, and demo in the streets. Where as in France you have the more casual types. In England its more formal. You've got your firms like the Headhunters or ICF. Brits make it offical type of thing. Brawls are organised, and generally more speradic. Doesn't mean it doesnt happen, just that they are so organised that the media don't get a whiff of it.

Turks have a repuatation, because its more obvious. If the truth is known then England is the worse for frequency of brawls. Just that they are on a smaller scale.

Now this Turk incident is bad, it cant be condoned, but just because it happened during a match, i guess inside the stadium, doesnt mean it was football related. If a man is stabbed in the street does it mean it was a street gang attack?

Finally, as some people are going on about the lack of security at Turkish stadiums, do we know how good it is? And for those who arent armchair fans, could you honestly name the last game, where you know you couldnt get a knife into? Ive followed Fulham to loads of places over the last 5 years, and cant recall one game where i couldnt have got a knife in. Old Trafford, Highbury, the Bridge, Upton Park, even Dean Court. THere all as bad as each other.

Originally posted by Andrejs
incredible how dumb you are :confused:

racism is not our problem, we turkish people are nowhere near of racism. nevertheless I had a quick look at turkish superleague thread and couldn't see anything racist as you've mentioned, it's common galatasaray-fenerbahce clash for pages, nothing more. if there's anything I've missed, then post please so I can accept my bad.

but in these conditions, I'd love to accept your comment in my dumbness; if you think you're smart and I'm dumb with this flawed and limited craft and vision of yours.

Originally posted by Chelives
Think everyone is jumping onto the bandwagon here. Turkish fans are no worse than French, Croats, Greeks or English. We all have our different styles.

In Easter Europe they have more scarfer types, where large groups get together, and demo in the streets. Where as in France you have the more casual types. In England its more formal. You've got your firms like the Headhunters or ICF. Brits make it offical type of thing. Brawls are organised, and generally more speradic. Doesn't mean it doesnt happen, just that they are so organised that the media don't get a whiff of it.

Turks have a repuatation, because its more obvious. If the truth is known then England is the worse for frequency of brawls. Just that they are on a smaller scale.

Now this Turk incident is bad, it cant be condoned, but just because it happened during a match, i guess inside the stadium, doesnt mean it was football related. If a man is stabbed in the street does it mean it was a street gang attack?

Finally, as some people are going on about the lack of security at Turkish stadiums, do we know how good it is? And for those who arent armchair fans, could you honestly name the last game, where you know you couldnt get a knife into? Ive followed Fulham to loads of places over the last 5 years, and cant recall one game where i couldnt have got a knife in. Old Trafford, Highbury, the Bridge, Upton Park, even Dean Court. THere all as bad as each other.

:jambo:

Originally posted by theedor
racism is not our problem, we turkish people are nowhere near of racism. nevertheless I had a quick look at turkish superleague thread and couldn't see anything racist as you've mentioned, it's common galatasaray-fenerbahce clash for pages, nothing more. if there's anything I've missed, then post please so I can accept my bad.

but in these conditions, I'd love to accept your comment in my dumbness; if you think you're smart and I'm dumb with this flawed and limited craft and vision of yours.

I didnt said that you are dumb because your a racist and i didnt called Turkey a racist country i just said that PI-AIR17 is a ****, he have deleted hes posts in the Turkish league thread...

The reason why i sayd your dumb is that you act like a blind dick, you think Turkey is perfect, well no Turkey isnt perfect :)

Originally posted by Chelives
Think everyone is jumping onto the bandwagon here. Turkish fans are no worse than French, Croats, Greeks or English. We all have our different styles.

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Now this Turk incident is bad, it cant be condoned, but just because it happened during a match, i guess inside the stadium, doesnt mean it was football related. If a man is stabbed in the street does it mean it was a street gang attack?

Finally, as some people are going on about the lack of security at Turkish stadiums, do we know how good it is? And for those who arent armchair fans, could you honestly name the last game, where you know you couldnt get a knife into? Ive followed Fulham to loads of places over the last 5 years, and cant recall one game where i couldnt have got a knife in. Old Trafford, Highbury, the Bridge, Upton Park, even Dean Court. THere all as bad as each other.

thank you. I just tried to mention these. we're almost the same, we're not "post-civilized" or "uncivilized". seems I couldn't cos I'm tempted by the immature comments.

Originally posted by Andrejs
I didnt said that you are dumb because your a racist and i didnt called Turkey a racist country i just said that PI-AIR17 is a ****, he have deleted hes posts in the Turkish league thread...

The reason why i sayd your dumb is that you act like a blind dick, you think Turkey is perfect, well no Turkey isnt perfect :)


I understand that I'm not dumb because I'm a racist. you misunderstood a misunderstanding (this is becoming schzoid)

by the way I agree pi-air17 is a silly ****

I posted this before, and I'll say it again to make it clear

we are not better than you, I don't think we're perfect. but we are not worse than you either. we're as bad as the spaniards throwing a pig's head to figo in a barcelona-real madrid match and we're as bad as AS Roma fans throwing a stone-light whatever to anders frisk, or we're not better than the dutch fans created trouble on a feyenoord match. let me rephrase again, we're nearly the same shi*. hope you got it now.

Pi-Air please please shut the f*ck up already.

Please lets not compare this situation to the Leeds one. Death is never acceptable but you can't expect to go into foreign countries swear, degrade the women, start fights, burn flags and leave unmarked.

The besiktas fan that died has nothing to do with Football. It was a non football related conflict, that ended in disgusting manner. I was heart broken when I saw this on the news, a 16 year old kid dies in a viscious way. Metal detectors are now a must, and this could of happened anywhere in europe, sh*t I live in Canada and I hear about a 16 year old being stabbed every weekend.

RIP to the boy that lost his life.

Ok lets leave it now, theedor, i have a big respect for Turkish people and Turkish footy, i try to avoid this kind of misunderstandings in the future :)

Lets get back on the topic

Rest in peace :(

Originally posted by diroix
do you know why leed fans killed? they were drunk at that night and they swear to Gala fans in street and fight begun and they died.. Did you watched NBA match Detroit-Indiana ? anybody could died at that fight..These fights is not only happening in Turkey..Why Turkey should be banned from European competitions??It's fans personel problem..It's not clubs problem..

There's a difference between a brawl and a murder.

I didn't start this thread bashing the turks, if you read my first post I said ALL EUROPEANS need to start controling thier fans more. don't tell me I can't comment because I'm not turkish, just b/c this was a non soccer related fight doesn't change a single thing, it still happend in a stadium which means it could have been stoped if they had proper security. its as simple as that. I would say the same thing no matter where it happend; in france, in italy, in spain, in the ukraine, anywhere. no matter what stadium in the world where this could happen the team should be given the biggest penalty possible, they should be banned for at least the rest of the season, until security is improved or uefa see fit. no minor technicalities should change anything about the situation.

yes you are right punishment is not enough..

Originally posted by Andrejs
Ok lets leave it now, theedor, i have a big respect for Turkish people and Turkish footy, i try to avoid this kind of misunderstandings in the future :)

Lets get back on the topic

Rest in peace :(




my bad, I should have controlled my behaviour. I've lost my temper. sorry.

should we charge the police for every murder in the streets?. life cannot be measured with anything so I do not want to sound like "ok 3 matches is enough for a murder in a stadium", but I think a full-season ban is not fair for besiktas. besiktas is only responsible for insufficient security precautions.

murderer should face the heaviest punishment indeed.

I agree with that.......the club should be punished for poor security only....they are not responsible for the behavoir of a few thugs..........and Theedor......peace mate.............:D

we're good ;o)

Every damn thread that has to do with Turkish Football has a fight somewhere or other in it... its just getting to the point where its sad

First of all, let me say that this is awfull. Turkey should be banned, not because they are bad or something, just so they have a reason to put things into order. And 2ndly (im English, my mum is from england so dont take me wrong on this) the english fans shouldnt realy start making comments about how bad turkish fans are, coz the english fans, outside of england, whereva they go they are always a problem, causing always trouble.

Of course there are some English thugs and idiots that follow their teams into Europe......all decent English fans,and that is the Majority of fans,are sick to death of them just as decent Turkish,Spanish,German,Dutch,Greek,Italian,Russian etc. etc. etc.fans,
are sick and tired of the thugs from their countries.Nobody should ever defend the things these lowlife scum do.I have travelled all over Europe follwing my team and England.I am a peaceful guy and i should be able to follow my team without idiots from the host country trying to kill me.I have been beaten up in Turkey,(not just by thugs but the police also),and i was assisted in Turkey by some great Turkish fans who saved my life i think.I was hit with a bottle in Germany,pissed on in Italy,cut with a knife in Holland......man the list goes on and on........I usually travel alone when i watch my team.....i am not in a crowd......I am not threatening or insulting......but my crime always seems to be the fact that i am English.......I want it to stop.....I want my team to beat your team......or your team to beat my team......i do not want our thugs beating your thugs or your thugs beating our thugs....because then, when you see me in your country,you do not see ME.......you see someone else,somebody who travels around Europe causing chaos.......That is not ME ...that is them...

Originally posted by ronnifan9
:jambo:



What does that smily mean? Leacture? Good Post?

Originally posted by pede54
Of course there are some English thugs and idiots that follow their teams into Europe......all decent English fans,and that is the Majority of fans,are sick to death of them just as decent Turkish,Spanish,German,Dutch,Greek,Italian,Russian etc. etc. etc.fans,
are sick and tired of the thugs from their countries.Nobody should ever defend the things these lowlife scum do.I have travelled all over Europe follwing my team and England.I am a peaceful guy and i should be able to follow my team without idiots from the host country trying to kill me.I have been beaten up in Turkey,(not just by thugs but the police also),and i was assisted in Turkey by some great Turkish fans who saved my life i think.I was hit with a bottle in Germany,pissed on in Italy,cut with a knife in Holland......man the list goes on and on........I usually travel alone when i watch my team.....i am not in a crowd......I am not threatening or insulting......but my crime always seems to be the fact that i am English.......I want it to stop.....I want my team to beat your team......or your team to beat my team......i do not want our thugs beating your thugs or your thugs beating our thugs....because then, when you see me in your country,you do not see ME.......you see someone else,somebody who travels around Europe causing chaos.......That is not ME ...that is them...

Great post pede54. Really well said.

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RIP to the 16 years old boy ... :(

Cya !

R.I.P Cihat Aktas...

It's a shame but it could happen anywhere in the world, you cant say it only happens in Turkey or smt. like this.There are psychos everywhere in the world.Cuz it wasnt a "fan" thing, it was a personal murder.

Let's kick racism and violence out of football.

EL TURKO.........................:rockman: