Carling Cup semi-final draw

CHELSEA v MAN UTD

LIVERPOOL v WATFORD

1st legs: Week commencing 10 January

2nd legs: Week commencing 24 January

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Wooooo :)

Just woooooooooooooooooooo (H)

Oh, so it's two legs now?

We shoud play the first team away, and second string at home.

No first team, the Carling Cup is a waste of time.

oh yeaaaah cmooon chelsea

like we say in Portugal:

A vingança serve-se fria!

(revenge is served cold... ok, sounds cheesy in english)

Why the hell is it 2 legs? That means more time for injuries.

The cup isn't very meaningful unless you want a quadruple anyway.

Originally posted by Rami
Carling Cup semi-final draw

CHELSEA v MAN UTD

LIVERPOOL v WATFORD

1st legs: Week commencing 10 January

2nd legs: Week commencing 24 January

===========================

Wooooo :)

Final: Chelsea vs Watford :D (H) :crazyboy:

Winner: Watford :D ;)

Originally posted by Bobby
The cup isn't very meaningful unless you want a quadruple anyway.

Chelsea are going for it.

Mourinho: "I sink this is a....very important trophy"

:(

Chelsea will get beat by some confrence outfit in the FA cup.

It's always been 2 legs at the semi's :confused:

As far as I know (I'm no Carling Cup fanatic), but it's kind of useless

its not that useless cuz players that don't get a run at first team can get play time and its also good for youngsters to get first team action

Cant believe we lost to Watford :( Was an absolute disgrace.

I'd of fancied our chances against Liverpool aswell :(

And it had to be United Chelsea eh lol, it's always the biggest game, never in the final which i'd of liked it to be. Please don't let Watford win it :D

I hope Watford win:D

Chelsea will use more than half of their first team, United will use no one from their starting line-up. Winner will be Chelsea :(

Chelsea will play the more out of favor players, but still they're a class team, nothing like reserves. Parker, Cole, Drogba, and I doubt he'll even play Kezman. That's a squad for ya lol. Chelsea have no youngsters to use. But yeah they'll probably win the cup but i'd like to see United's youngsters win it.

Originally posted by Bobby
Why the hell is it 2 legs? That means more time for injuries.

The cup isn't very meaningful unless you want a quadruple anyway.

Yeah ok man......you say that now you're out ..........demeaning the League Cup is something that Wenger decided to do because he's never had a big enough squad to be able to concentrate on the league and all the cups as well........If he had a strong second string,and judging by the way your players played tonight,he has not, his attitude would be different.Its just a poor excuse he uses because he knows that he cannot afford to compete in all competitions and risk injuries to the players he needs for the league. Well thats ok man.....let him keep putting the kids out.That doesn't mean to say everyone else has to do the same does it?And the reason he puts the kids out aint to blood them or give them experience,although they do get that of course,its because he has nobody else to play for him.So he covers his ass by saying the League Cup aint important......and you lot go along with it..........It dont matter what the competion is .....if you can keep winning then that maintains a confidence throughout the club........and confidence is something that the Arse could do with right now

what? the League cup is a crap cup. It's for minnows to get some silverware that they can't get anywhere else and get to even play in Europe.

The league cup is only important for teams that don't regularly make it to European competition. The top 3 teams(regardless of who they are) see this as a hassle and don't want to risk injury. I wonder how you'll feel if Lampard or Robben gets injured in this competition

Henny.....you must be pretty young man........and its only foreign coaches who came here and started that crap.In past years the League Cup was regarded as a worthwhile trophy to compete for....so whats changed?Nothing.....except now we have clubs and fans who think they are too good for it.And if its such a pony competition,why are all the stadiums packed on cup nights?Yeah its a great oppertunity for any small club to play outa their skins and progress, or knock out a bigger club......Hang on.....thats the same as the FA Cup.....so you think thats a waste of time too do you?..........Surely football is about winning things,winning matches,winning trophys.Whatever club you support the principle is the same.....Once you start picking and choosing cup competitions,then your clubs ego has expanded too much.No club should think they are too big or too good to play smaller teams.That is being a snob and elitist.........

hey so if liverpool, chelsea, and man utd finish in the top 4 in the prem, does that mean Watford's in Europe?

No. If Watford don't make the final they don't make the UEFA cup.

And the league cup is crap, that's why youth teams play in it. It's meaningful to teams that can't make european comps without it.

Originally posted by bigp
The league cup is only important for teams that don't regularly make it to European competition. The top 3 teams(regardless of who they are) see this as a hassle and don't want to risk injury. I wonder how you'll feel if Lampard or Robben gets injured in this competition

Thats just the way it goes.....and thats one of my points,it is a risk to the players to play in any game,but no club is too big or too important to be in it.And the only club to demean the League cup is Arsenal.....Other clubs may play reserves or young players.....thats up to them for whatever reasons but they dont slag it off......but if you have a big enough squad then why not go for it.....as i said it is used as a poor excuse so fans of "big" clubs dont ask the manager or directors..."Hey.....why dont we have sufficient players to compete in these competitions?"........

Originally posted by pede54
Thats just the way it goes.....and thats one of my points,it is a risk to the players to play in any game,but no club is too big or too important to be in it.And the only club to demean the League cup is Arsenal.....Other clubs may play reserves or young players.....thats up to them for whatever reasons but they dont slag it off......but if you have a big enough squad then why not go for it.....as i said it is used as a poor excuse so fans of "big" clubs dont ask the manager or directors..."Hey.....why dont we have sufficient players to compete in these competitions?"........

You know, 2 years ago, Chelsea wouldn't have had the players to compete in the carling cup.

Chelsea would be in a position worse than Leeds if Roman didn't save your asses.

You can only brag about earned success, not purchased success.

As much as I hate United, atleast they earned every penny of the money they spent on their Carling Cup team.

Originally posted by Bobby
No. If Watford don't make the final they don't make the UEFA cup.

And the league cup is crap, that's why youth teams play in it. It's meaningful to teams that can't make european comps without it.

Bobby ....you aint listening mate...............not all clubs play the kids.......mostly yours and Man U...and even Man U take it more seriously than you do...tonight Liverpool played a few and thats because they are already ravaged by injuries.....face it mate you lot have been fed a load of crap by your club and the media and you lot have swallowed it without even chewing it over first

So you expect every team to play their first team in the CC? So you expect a club to play their first 11 in the CC, FA Cup, Premiership, and Champions League/UEFA Cup and for these players to play in Internationals? They have to be rested and the Carling Cup is a good competition to rest their players. You think Mourinho would play a strong team if he had a youth setup at Chelsea? He would be doing the same as Man Utd and Arsenal but he can't since there are no youths at Chelsea. So you're saying that Wenger is demeaning the competition because he actually puts out a young team that can BEAT a few premiership teams?

Originally posted by Bobby
You know, 2 years ago, Chelsea wouldn't have had the players to compete in the carling cup.

Chelsea would be in a position worse than Leeds if Roman didn't save your asses.

You can only brag about earned success, not purchased success.

As much as I hate United, atleast they earned every penny of the money they spent on their Carling Cup team.

oh i see debate goes out the window and gooner nastyness takes over as soon as you lose an argument huh?
For your information I have been supporting Chelsea for over 30 years and we have always taken it seriously and fielded a strong team......and dont forget something else......we as a club have always had money mate........until towards the end when Bates lost the plot.....its just that now we have a lot more of it......and its a bit juvenile to start all that crap about buying success.It shows how much you know about football.Do you honestly think you can buy a load of expensive players.....put them on a pitch and win everything.......It still takes teamwork....dedication...and great management.........but thats typical sour grapes from a club who aint got a pot to piss in

Comma?

Originally posted by bigp
So you expect every team to play their first team in the CC? So you expect a club to play their first 11 in the CC, FA Cup, Premiership, and Champions League/UEFA Cup and for these players to play in Internationals? They have to be rested and the Carling Cup is a good competition to rest their players. You think Mourinho would play a strong team if he had a youth setup at Chelsea? He would be doing the same as Man Utd and Arsenal but he can't since there are no youths at Chelsea. So you're saying that Wenger is demeaning the competition because he actually puts out a young team that can BEAT a few premiership teams?


Read what i wrote mate....I said if you wanna put out your reserves then thats your choice.But dont expect everybody to do the same.Yeah i think you should be careful,i think you should pick a team thats trusted to win.You dont need your first eleven,but you need a mix of young players with experienced players.But if you aint got the squad then its nothing to be ashamed of to say so.....you dont have to demean the competion just because you cant afford to compete in it.And as a matter of fact,thats if you are interested in fact,Chelsea have a healthy youth setup......and we are already building a mega youth training center to accomodate our young players .Bates did let it run down a bit as he began to lose the plot but Roman is gonna build the biggest youth training center i Europe....so lets see what happens then huh?
Wenger demeans the competion by actually saying that its not important..........so if its so unimportant......then that means that nobody at Arsenal is dissapointed that they are out.The manager,the players or the fans.....right?

Actually I don't think Arsenal fans are that dissappointed with the loss. I mean to lose 1-0 to an experience Man Utd team is a good result. I think managers are just being selective of which competition they want to succeed in. I mean would you be proud if the only trophy Chelsea lifted was the Carling Cup?

Actually we aren't that disppointed that we're out of it. That's why we fielded all those really young players. The fact that our youngsters only lost 1-0 due to a mistake by a 17 year old in the 1st minute and then were able to concede no more goals is really an uplifter for them. The F.A Cup is where it's at nowadays man. I bet you Chelsea will not field the same team as they do in the Champions' League, it's just that with all the players on their roster their 2nd string team is much better than some teams' 1st string teams.

Chelsea filled half of their first team players and Arsenal fielded their young players, because they have nobody else to field and not because they want their youngsters to gain experience.

Originally posted by bigp
Actually I don't think Arsenal fans are that dissappointed with the loss. I mean to lose 1-0 to an experience Man Utd team is a good result. I think managers are just being selective of which competition they want to succeed in. I mean would you be proud if the only trophy Chelsea lifted was the Carling Cup?

I would be proud of my team whatever cup they won........you are a snob and elitist or a liar if you think otherwise.And if you aint dissapointed at all.......then why continue to demean it.Managers are entitled to be selective about what competitions they wanna go for.....but at least be honest about it and dont try to kid anyone or yourselves that it aint important....'cos the rest of us know why you are saying that and it makes you look silly

I can understand your view pede. You're old school. It's just that this competition is the LEAST important out of all the other ones. No team wants to risk injury if they have a chance to win the Premiership or CL. I mean would you consider the Liverpool season 2 years ago a success since they only won the CC?

Originally posted by henry#14
Actually we aren't that disppointed that we're out of it. That's why we fielded all those really young players. The fact that our youngsters only lost 1-0 due to a mistake by a 17 year old in the 1st minute and then were able to concede no more goals is really an uplifter for them. The F.A Cup is where it's at nowadays man. I bet you Chelsea will not field the same team as they do in the Champions' League, it's just that with all the players on their roster their 2nd string team is much better than some teams' 1st string teams.

No you fielded the kids 'cos you aint got anyone else left to play....and thats it.and your goalie is actually 27 and he made the big mistake.And whats the difference between the League Cup and the FA Cup?They are both knockout competitions that involve big clubs and small clubs....so i dont get your logic there dude.
Arsenal,even before the debt incurred by the new stadium, have always had money man.....but they liked to kid us that they were prudent and careful with it.....but the truth is that Arsenals boardroom have always been tighter than a ducks ass when it comes to spending.Do you know who is on the board at Arsenal and how much they are worth.....go and find out ,you will be a little surprised mate.

Originally posted by bigp
I can understand your view pede. You're old school. It's just that this competition is the LEAST important out of all the other ones. No team wants to risk injury if they have a chance to win the Premiership or CL. I mean would you consider the Liverpool season 2 years ago a success since they only won the CC?

Well maybe i am old school....:( .....but why not listen to an old man who remembers many great games from past League Cups......Of course i know the champions league has helped to push it down the pecking order........and clubs have to prioritise these days........and when Chelsea had a smaller and less able squad than they have now ......i used to crap myself at every game ,fearing injuries....so i know how that feels too......so i understand why you have to now choose whats more important.But its also true that if you can win the League Cup then it can also instill confidence into the club as a whole.Personally i would like to win the League Cup ,but i would also like to think that it wont be the only trophy we have a chance of winning.You gotta remember that the majority of clubs in all the leagues finish empty handed every year.......do you think they consider themselves failures?......they are probably dissapointed but they would never think of themselves as that.If winning trophys was ALL that football was about....then why do so many supporters turn out every week to watch little clubs like Cheshunt ,my local club?Its because they love their club and they love football.They wont win the FA Cup,League Cup or Champions League.....but there they are week in and week out......

Well that's why I said that the top 3 teams don't consider this as important. The other 90 something teams in England would find this competition important because they know they'll most likely end up trophyless. But the top 3 know they have a chance to win the Premiership and would rather concentrate on that. So to the top 3 teams, it would be a dissappointment if they only won this competition but for the others it would mean a lot.

Pede is just carrying on because he feels this is the only trophy Chelsea will win this season.

Carling Cup is crap. End of.

So when the division two teams field weakened sides in LDV Vans, that's wrong?

You're suppost to space 2 times after a period :( .

Well i'll do another cup good for Manchester.

Originally posted by Bobby
You know, 2 years ago, Chelsea wouldn't have had the players to compete in the carling cup.

We had very astute players, but not the quanity we have now.

Originally posted by Bobby
Chelsea would be in a position worse than Leeds if Roman didn't save your asses.

False. Unlike Leeds, Chelsea have assets such as the Chelsea Village and we owned our stadium, it wasn't put on loan to purchase players. The debts also were fixed loans that were organized by Ken Bates. Just like the loans Arsenal are taking out to build their new stadium? Right?

Originally posted by Bobby
You can only brag about earned success, not purchased success.

Purchased? As in buy?
To obtain in exchange for money or its equivalent.

Now excuse me but was Henry bought? Yes. Vieira? Yes. Pires? Yes. Reyes? Yes.

I could go on but you get the point.

Now another English lesson for you

Earned
To acquire or deserve as a result of effort or action.

Because we have been taken over by a clever businessman does that mean all the hours of training the players at Chelsea put in, the scouting, and research by the coaching staff and the overall effort of the team that if we win something it wasn't earned?

And if all of our trophies are quoted because we have been funded by Roman Abramovich, then please get on the back of Real Madrid, AC Milan or Arsenal bribing themselves into Division 1?

So obviously you “purchased” the right to play top level football all those years ago.

Originally posted by Bobby
As much as I hate United, at least they earned every penny of the money they spent on their Carling Cup team. Earned? More like exploited.

Poor little kids in China getting paid 5 cents an hour with no unions, toilet breaks, safety etc.

With aggressive marketing they have convinced supporters to buy there shirts and have became a brand, like Arsenal.