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Lonestarr022 10-12-2004, 10:03:PM www.uefa.com
Stadium ban for Lazio racism
Friday, 10 December 2004
S.S. Lazio must play their next European home game behind closed doors as punishment for the racist behaviour of their supporters in a UEFA Cup tie last month.
Stadium ban
UEFA's control and disciplinary body has punished the Rome club with a stadium ban following racist abuse and crowd disturbances - including missile throwing and flares being set off, clashes with police and a stabbing incident - during the UEFA Cup match against FK Partizan on 25 November.
Ban carried over
Lazio, who have now been penalised three times for racism offences, have completed their fixtures in this season's competition, meaning the ban will carry over until they next qualify for a UEFA club competition. Partizan, meanwhile, were fined €5,200 after their fans threw flares during the 2-2 draw at the Stadio Olimpico.
Real Madrid have also been fined for racism, but no stadium ban
Vagegast 11-12-2004, 01:41:AM They should play in an empty stadium permanently.
Well done UEFA. Cant stand those nazi/racist ****s at Lazio.
rony31 11-12-2004, 01:50:AM Rome shouldn't be allowed to have any more competitive sports teams
santino 11-12-2004, 02:27:AM quiet rony...or the nazi's will come after you:crazyboy:
stupid people ruin it for everyone else
Bobby 11-12-2004, 02:49:AM 3 times?!
Forget a stadium ban, strip them of professional status.
That would scare the racists away from all stadiums.
And yes, I hate Lazio. But 1 time is too many, let alone 3.
Jambo Den 11-12-2004, 02:58:AM Give them the '93 CL (H)
Hendrik 11-12-2004, 03:29:AM Real Madrid CF, meanwhile, have been fined €9,780 following the racist behaviour of some of their supporters
10,000 euros? Are you kidding me?? :kader:
Originally posted by -Vince-
10,000 euros? Are you kidding me?? :kader:
Damn. Your hatred for Real Madrid is unbelievable. Let it go man. Let it go.
Pizarro14 11-12-2004, 04:06:AM Originally posted by -Vince-
10,000 euros? Are you kidding me?? :kader:
i have to agree with vince its kinda low for that hitler salute (H)
Originally posted by Pizarro14
i have to agree with vince its kinda low for that hitler salute (H)
It was a small group of fans that were saluting(like idiots). They weren't there the next game. They need to use the video evidence to arrest those bastards. There was no violence so the fine is really just a minor statement by Uefa.
santino 11-12-2004, 05:06:AM Originally posted by Nuno79
It was a small group of fans that were saluting(like idiots). They weren't there the next game. They need to use the video evidence to arrest those bastards. There was no violence so the fine is really just a minor statement by Uefa.
it was only 1 person that hit frisk in the roma game
it was only a few people at the lazio games
all it takes is 1 idiot and real got off easy
yes roma got off easy to...but real got off easier
Pizarro14 11-12-2004, 05:14:AM Originally posted by santino
it was only 1 person that hit frisk in the roma game
it was only a few people at the lazio games
all it takes is 1 idiot and real got off easy
yes roma got off easy to...but real got off easier
I HAVE TO AGREE with u 90% of it but someone did get hurt in the roma-dynamo game. so of course the roma is way more serious
mega montana 11-12-2004, 05:36:AM no matter how you feel about a certain team, this racism crap is disheartening :(
I feel bad for fans in rome (both lazio and roma). I am sure it is just a few idiots, but now all the fans must pay the price.
Like Nuno said, look at the videotape and find out who is responsible. Take away their tickets for a few years.
Fernandez 11-12-2004, 06:19:AM Real Madrid's punishment is due to reputation I bet.
Vagegast 11-12-2004, 06:34:AM Originally posted by Nuno79
Damn. Your hatred for Real Madrid is unbelievable. Let it go man. Let it go. So I assume you support the fine gentlemen that are Real's Ultras? And hatred of Real Madrid, or the Spanish national team for that matter, would be fully justified by what happened during that game.
henry#14 11-12-2004, 06:36:AM Real get off with a slap on the wrist, big ******* surprise:rolleyes: UEFA should have a 0 tolerance policy IMO.
fender 11-12-2004, 09:30:AM Its sad how some racist pricks spoil the game for the true supporters of the club.
Credit goes to Yash for this image. :rockman:
IceBlu 11-12-2004, 01:52:PM heh.
10,000 Euros. What a joke. What Madrid fans did is pretty much the same thing Lazio fans did; But Madrid get off scotfree basically while Lazio are forced to play behind closed doors.
Lets not forget one thing - Real Madrid is a much bigger club than Lazio. They have a much bigger fan base which includes fans from all over the world. The Lazio - Partizan game was probably watched by 1/10000th of the population that watched the Madrid - Leverkusen game. And those fans had to witness extreme racist taunts and gestures. So if anything, UEFA should have imposed a more severe punishment on Madrid than they did on Lazio.
Also, Real have won the CL 9 times - more than any other club. They are supposed to be ambassadors of the competiton and their fans diplay some of the worst racism in recent times, and UEFA does donthing about it.
Bad behavior by Lazio fans reflects badly on Lazio. Bad behavior by Real's fans reflects badly not only on the club but the entire competition.
anyway, long story short, F*ck Real.
http://www.soccergaming.tv/attachment.php?postid=1595848
:)
Frostwolf 11-12-2004, 03:08:PM 10000 Euros is like, a tenth of Ronaldo's weekly wage, innit? **** off, both Madrid and UEFA.
Fener_Bahce 12-12-2004, 05:06:AM I hear so many rumours about Lazio being a racist club, management also. I thought it was all rumours, but this sure does make you think.
santino 12-12-2004, 05:07:AM racist fans, not club
there's a difference
Vagegast 12-12-2004, 05:36:AM Originally posted by santino
racist fans, not club
there's a difference
sports nut
Mussolini's Team
By Franklin Foer
Posted Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001, at 12:00 AM PT
The Shalom Cup, held last week, was the most unlikely soccer tournament in the world. Not because it showcased Jewish soccer players, including Maccabi Haifa, one of the few stellar Israeli sides. What made the Shalom Cup truly unlikely was its host: the Roman club S.S. Lazio.
Although the S.S. stands for societá sportiva, Lazio merits the abbreviation's worst connotations. Of all the clubs in Europe, each with its own goon squad of skinhead supporters, Lazio fans are easily the most racist, anti-Semitic, pro-fascist, and despicable of the bunch. The management of Lazio intended the Shalom Cup to be both an act of reparations and public relations. But even in the club's moment of contrition, Lazio's fans couldn't suppress their hate. Four days before the tournament, the team's anti-Semitic fan clubs (called ultras) announced they would boycott the pro-Semitic cup. When a relatively mediocre Ivory Coast club beat mighty Lazio to hoist the Shalom trophy, a pathetic crowd of 10,000 fans bothered to show up.
Lazio has always had unsavory connections and a spot on the brownshirts' end of the political spectrum. Mussolini adored the team, frequently appearing in the stands. Il Duce even built Lazio's current stadium, replacing the old Stadio del Partito Nazionale Fascista. In part, Mussolini was drawn to Silvio Piola, the team's unstoppable striker. But the fascists had a deeper attraction to the club. Founded in 1900 by Italian army officers, the club shrouded itself in a martial ethos. The team's logo, a strident-looking eagle, looks as if it could have been ripped off of one of Mussolini's caps. And with its north Rome fan base, Lazio attracted the conservative shopkeepers and bumpkins who constituted fascism's rank and file.
As the memory of Mussolini has grown distant, Lazio's affection for fascism has increased. Rightist parties like the old Alleanza Nazionale treated the team's stadium as their recruiting grounds. In the '80s, the ultras' politics acquired a racist, xenophobic bent as Italy attracted immigrants and Italian soccer attracted Brazilian and African players. New venomous slogans and banners began appearing in the Curva Nord, the ultra section of Lazio's stadium. Before one game last year, police seized 60 different racist and anti-Semitic banners but missed several large ones, including a 50-meter-long banner that taunted fans from a cross-town rival by declaring that they had a "Black Squad, Jewish Home End." At another match against Roma, the opponents were greeted with a sign that told them, "Auschwitz is your town, the ovens your houses." The ultras have been known to appropriate the Nazi font when spelling the "S.S." in S.S. Lazio. And when watching Lazio's matches on the Fox Sports World cable network, you can still catch glimpses of Mussolini's visage adoringly displayed by the crowd.
The ultras aren't merely making political statements. They like to put their slogans into action. During the previous two seasons, police tied Lazio's ultras to several acts of domestic terrorism. One planted a bomb at a museum dedicated to Italy's World War II resistance. Rome police also defused a Lazio bomb at a theater showing a documentary on Adolf Eichmann. On other occasions, Lazio fans have desecrated Jewish cemeteries and beaten players from opposing teams. Even by the appalling standards of European soccer, Lazio fans are object lessons in amorality.
Remarkably, Lazio reflects its fans' sentiments. Unlike Roma or almost every other team in the Series A, Lazio's roster is devoid of black players. When it once imported one, Dutchman Aron Winter, he quickly left after the team's fans hounded him with chants of "nigger Jew." Rather suspiciously, nearly all of Lazio's current foreign imports hail from countries with fascist pasts—Chile, Argentina, and Serbia. The team's defender, Sinisa Mihajlovic, unabashedly trumpets his devotion to Slobodan Milosevic and his friendship with the Serbian paramilitary leader Arkan, whose band of thugs raped and pillaged their way across Bosnia. When Arkan was killed, Mihajlovic placed a wistful memorial notice in a Belgrade daily.
If that didn't convince Lazio's management to distance themselves from Mihajlovic—or, better yet, ship him back to Belgrade—his behavior on the field should have. Last season, a player of Senegalese descent accused Mihajlovic of calling him a "******* black monkey." (Asked about the allegations, he replied: "I called him black ****. I didn't call him black monkey.") Alas, Lazio's punishment of Mihajlovic amounted to little more than a forced public apology. His coach even defended him: "I don't know whether you can call it racism. It's just making fun of someone." And moments after Mihajlovic made the apology, at a home game, fans began making monkey noises every time a Nigerian player touched the ball.
For a time, the embarrassment of Lazio could be hidden. The team wallowed in the middle of the Italian table. But in the late '90s it emerged as a European powerhouse, winning the UEFA Cup and lo scudetto, the national championship. Lazio's rise has come at the expense of the league's health, and the club's ethos has infected the entire culture of Italian soccer. Some of Italy's best players, including Zinedine Zidane, have fled to the better behaved, higher quality Spanish league. Others, like the magnificent Brazilian Cafu, have bemoaned the racism and openly considered leaving Italy behind. Even Lazio's President Sergio Cragnotti talks about his club in tones of disgust, calling its fans "imbeciles," and frequently threatens resignation. After handing the Africans the Shalom cup, however, he briefly cheered up and even described the moment as a "sign of civilization." It was Lazio's first.http://slate.msn.com/id/115070/
santino 12-12-2004, 08:23:AM well then i'll just shut my mouth:crazyboy:
not like i care what lazio does(H)
Vagegast 12-12-2004, 08:57:AM Aren't you supposed to hate Lazio in the first place? Man, I wish there were hard-core Lazio fans on this bored, I'd be posting anti-Lazio stuff 24/7 :(
santino 12-12-2004, 09:09:AM i was defending the club as part of italy, not because it was lazio
roma > lazio:)
RochesterFC1013 12-12-2004, 09:32:AM rome has some problems with there fans, and it i dont like, the racist part of football is getting worse and worse i feel, it iis good to see UEFA crack down.
Brondbyfan 12-12-2004, 12:47:PM Ever think we'll see a bunch of Roma fans put on Lazio strips and walk around doing the John Cleese goose-step to try and get another ban for Lazio? (H)
Jambo Den 12-12-2004, 05:48:PM (H)
No wonder there are wars when people, even today, can't accept that people look different.
-[ SAY NO TO RACISM ]-
Ubik Valis 12-12-2004, 10:52:PM Originally posted by Rob
Credit goes to Yash for this image. :rockman:
And Communist Chelsea is much better :rockman:
santino 12-12-2004, 10:54:PM there all communists damnit
Ubik Valis 12-12-2004, 10:55:PM Originally posted by santino
there all communists damnit
Especially Roma.....think about it....RED jersey......
(H)
santino 12-12-2004, 10:58:PM Originally posted by Dragan T
Especially Roma.....think about it....RED jersey......
(H)
yea and when totti scores and he kisses his fist and hold it up:o
Ubik Valis 12-12-2004, 11:00:PM Originally posted by santino
yea and when totti scores and he kisses his fist and hold it up:o
Haha......REVOLUTION! (H)
I bet Moron is a Roma fan then..... :(
Yossarian 15-12-2004, 02:23:AM Btw, the salute is from Mussolin's brown shirts, not Hitler. He copied it from them and they in turn copied (with some changes) from the Ancient Romans.
http://digilander.libero.it/ascaniograndi/Allievi/Ipertesti%20allievi/Ipertesto%20Salute%20e%20Ambiente/Testo/Hitler_e_Mussolini.jpg
claupastore 15-12-2004, 03:09:AM Originally posted by Dragan T
Especially Roma.....think about it....RED jersey......
(H)
the roma jersey isnt red
-William- 15-12-2004, 03:15:AM I've heard Mussolini's team was actually Roma :confused:
Another thing is that Mussolini also builted the Fiorentina stadium and when seen from above you can clearly notice its "D" shape that stands for "Duce".
In Italy every team has racist supporters, you can hear the "uh uh uh" in almost every stadium with exception of teams like Livorno that have communist ultras'
Yossarian 15-12-2004, 03:37:AM Could be true since he was always accused of rigging their first Scudetto.
Anyone have a pic of Fiorentina's first kits? I heard they were swastikas..
Ubik Valis 15-12-2004, 04:27:AM Originally posted by claupastore
the roma jersey isnt red
care
yoyo913 15-12-2004, 04:36:AM they have no colour they are just "tight"
yoyo913 15-12-2004, 04:38:AM *DAMN EDIT BUTTON NOT WORKING*
...its actually the colour of the compressed skin (H)
hummmm hummmmm
hey dragan budy, i like u man , u like qotsa so therefor EVERYTHING IS AMAZING
i'll give you 3 rare songs of theirs if u give me the edit +sg players lounge unban :(
Ubik Valis 15-12-2004, 04:59:AM I already have a couple of rare QOTSA tracks, so I doubt you have anything that could interest me. (H)
Besides, if I need QOTSA/Kyuss material....I go to Ruud (H)
yoyo913 15-12-2004, 08:09:AM yip
i have don't talk to me- GG alin cover, the kinks cover (everybody's gonna behappy) ode to clarissa
check out mondo generator !! (and some Eagle of DEath metal) although its pretty gay
FKPartizan 15-12-2004, 01:53:PM very disturbing stuff, it's really got to end, I've been happy with partizan recently to thwart this kind of behavior in belgrade and it's paid great dividends for both the fans and the club.
man would I love to see some of those lazio ****s walk around in chicago's west side, lets just say they would learn their lesson;) (H)
Voltaic Borusse 15-12-2004, 02:47:PM Originally posted by Horatiu
(and some Eagle of DEath metal) although its pretty gay
I love Eagles of Death Metal. Tim van Hamel rules.
By the way, I'm looking for "Do The Headright" by Mondo Generator. If you have it, please hook me up.
Ubik Valis 15-12-2004, 06:11:PM Yeah, EoDM are kinda gay, but awesome too. :D
(8) Makes me say, sh!t goddamn
I'm a man, I'm a man (8) (H)
:((Y)
Yossarian 15-12-2004, 06:41:PM Originally posted by claupastore
the roma jersey isnt red
Can you explain why they're called the "giallorossi "then?
Looks red to me......dark, burgundy-like red
http://www.asromastore.it/english/prodotti/articoli/6493.jpg
Originally posted by -William-
I've heard Mussolini's team was actually Roma :confused:
Another thing is that Mussolini also builted the Fiorentina stadium and when seen from above you can clearly notice its "D" shape that stands for "Duce".
In Italy every team has racist supporters, you can hear the "uh uh uh" in almost every stadium with exception of teams like Livorno that have communist ultras'
Just read this piece that dealt with the history of Roma and how they were founded by Mussolini for the sole purpose of merging with the other three Rome clubs of that time. Lazio rejected the idea since they were already a big club with a huge following at that time. Thus, the other teams joined together to form what is now A.S Roma....the working class' team and Lazio stayed as the club for the Elite of Rome.
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