Classificação:
1.º Espanha (59.599 pontos)
2.º Itália (55.927)
3.º Alemanha (46.403)
4.º França (42.727)
5.º Inglaterra (41.455)
6.º Holanda (36.666)
7.º Rússia (29.275)
8.º República Checa (29.123)
9.º Grécia (28.866)
10.º Portugal (24.549).

With as strong as Olympiakos and Panathinaikos look, I say they they have a good run in the CL. Along with AEK and PAOK in the Uefa Cup. Iraklis and OFI Crete look good also.

I say Greece can get 7th!

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ZHTO ELLAS!!! Olympiakos Forever!!!

1. Spain
2. Italy
3. Germany
4. France
5. England
6. Holland
7. Russia
8. Czech Republic
9. Greece
10. Portugal

These UEFA league rankings are a load of crap just like the World Rankings!

It should be:

1. Spain
2. Italy
3. England
4. Germany
5. France
6. Holland
7. Portugal
8. Turkey
9. Greece
10. Czech Republic

Simonius your funny man. Thanks for the free entertainment. Were did turky come out of. I Realize thay have a good National team and Galatasaray is a good club but that's about it. Gala goes to the villages and beats every team that ands with spor easly. There is no compitition there. The only thing turky has going for them at the club level in Europe is Gala and thats all, mind you that's still very good and I'm interested on how they do after all the changes that have taken place on the team.

i might sound like a nationalist but this is what i think

1.Italia
2.Spain
3.England
4.Germany
5.France
6.Holland
7.Brazil
8.Mexico
9.Argentina
10.Portugal

I know some people might ask why brazil, argentina, mexico? well i got to watch a mexican game between pachuca and monterry and it was very entertaining, also in the braziian league, i had the chance to watch palmeiras and corinthians also sao paulo and cruzeiro, again i thought they were extremely entertaining games, and in the argentinian league i watched boca juniors and gimnasia la plata, and i think you get my point so............

[This message has been edited by Italia#1 (edited 08-23-2000).]

nice nice nice, well well well. Simonius, your point of view is FAR from the reality because league rankings are used to rank leagues, remember? Although I am quite surprised you did not add Switzerland to your list, because last year, some certain individuals on this forum from Turkey ranked their championship as the best in Europe.

I am quite concerned about the leagues you listed from 7 to 10-th places. Portugal and Turkey are ok, especially Turkey, the fast growing league, but Czech Republic? They are ranked a bit worse than Russia in UEFA rankings, but I think that you wouldn't add Russia even in the first 15, wouldn't you? If yes, why?


About Russian League:
I know, the clubs' funds in Russia are pathetic (the biggest transfer in Russian 9 year old history was the signing of Yuran to Spartak...for just 1 million dollars), but that does not mean anything at all. Also, Russia did pretty poorly last season, but that shouldn't put my league down.

one sec, the rankings i said where for the world legues not uefa. for uefa i would say

1.Italia
2.Spain
3.England
4.Germany
5.France
6.Holland
7.Portugal
8.Greece
9.Scotland
10.Czech Republic

Kostas 7 You say that the only good team in Turkey is Galatasaray......That isnt true. Turkey also has Besiktas which Just qualified to the champions legue with a 3-0 and 3-1 victory against lokomotiv Moscow.
And they also have Fenerbache which has also been in the champions legue a couple of times....(Last time they actually beat Man U 1-0 in Old trafford)
The Turkish legue should have been on the top 10 list!

i agree -- instead of Czech. Rep. and Scotland there should be Russia and Turkey (in Italia#1's rankings)

Manny I know those teams exist man but lets face it. They don't have the impact Gala has in the European scene. And the rankings are based on the performance the clubs from each country. For example greek teams in the past 5 years have always been a force in the Champions league and have don well, with the exception of last year and that's why we fell from 7th to 9th. Now your going to say but Gala did well too for turkey and I agree but it's points accumulation still isn't enough. For example sum up the points Gala obtained from there uefa campaign (-) minus the champions leauge losses it comes out to a small gain. Add the small contribution other turkish teams had in the Uefa cup if any and it still isn't enough to propel the Turkish league into the top ten. Most of us here are favouring our home leages and that,s not right. The Spanish leauge desirves to be first cause there teams were succesfull last year and due to that they will have 9 teams this year in the European compititions. What this means is that the Sanish league will aslo be on top for the upcomming years cause they are bound to do well with so many teams. All thats neaded is a couple of back to back years of succes in those compititions and the league rattings change.

spain has showed that it's abetter league than italy's just look at last year's semifinalists(CL) and none of won the liga!
1-spain
2-italy
3-england
4-germany
5-holland
6-france
7-portugal
8-belgium

i can't judge any of the rest cause i haven't seen them but turkish?only gala,f.b. and beskitas and the rest are very far..

Why are Germany and England still in the TOP 10?

eh, because they always have teams in the quarter or semi finals of the champions league or the uefa cup?

kostas, you say those teams didn't do well in europe. well maybe they didn't win any championships or go to semifinals or anything, but they still do a solid job each year. assuming your greek, what have greek teams done exactly huh? i'm not criticizing greek football (unlike you for turkey) but i have to defend my league and point out what i believe is true. all you greeks do is criticize turkish football everytime (or well, when you reply to things) it's mentioned, you just can't stand to see it in front of your greek league. you think your teams like iraklis, ofi crete, or paok are so good, well this might surprise you but others don't. i've never even heard of iraklis and ofi crete. there're plenty of turkish teams that could take care of those teams, and aek too. so don't comment on something you don't know anything about. again, i'm not trying to criticize your country's football, but you shouldn't say turkish football shouldn't be up there when you insist that the greek league should be there. that's just plain stupid.

simonius, all you did there was rearrange the leagues. czech republic? what do they have there? i think belgium or russia should take its place.

Ok here it goes Hakan. Enough is enough. Every time we greeks open our mouths you assume it's critisizing turkey.Boy are you brain washed, guy I bet you you don't even know why this whole Greek-turkish thing is going on. Someone once told you to hate greeks and there you go. Did you even bother to read the the post? Or the fact that a greek was just mentioning something about turkish futball was enough for you to start accusing others. All I said was how the ******* point system works. If you don't want to read that and assume there is another anti-turkish movement between the words that's fine with me. Point's my friend points, regardles of were the team is from. On the contrary I gave respect to Gala in those postings but I'm not surprised you reacted like that. How old are you child. And since you mentioned it Panathinaikos whent to the semifinals and the year after Olympiakos whent to the Quarterfinals of the CL. And before you start up again may I remind you it's the CL all teams want to be in, not the Uefa cup. This however doesn't diminish the victory Gala had last year, it was a well desirved one and hard faught. So please spare us with Turkish Greek stuff ok. When you uderstand the difference between Nationalist and Patriot than we can talk.

[This message has been edited by Kostas 7 (edited 08-25-2000).]

BTW. I'm not insisting that the greek leauge should be up there cause it is. Second of all my postings I didn't even mention that the GR leauge has been unfarely ranked. I was mearly mentioning how the point system works. Now read this post for what it actually says. It is not a bomb threat or an assault. It is in your hands now. We either end this and act as gentelmen or we could act as nit wits. Your choice. I personally don't care and defienetly have nothing against you and we must keep our cool.

Look Kostas is right and is acting very mature abou this.

How are u going to respond GSHakan?

It is to my knowledge that every time someone's OPINION differs with yours or isn't all that great about Turkey u freak out...Why? Like Kostas said u can be patriotic but don't freak out to that next level. Turkey has some good teams:Gala,Besiktas but thats all I have heard of. And thats all that have shown me there good,well at least Gala.

I 'watch' the Turkish league,i'm not a good follower but I keep up with it. Nobody ever said it was bad,nor did they say PAOK,Iraklis and OFI Crete are the best. Those teams are good,but counld't compete in lets say the CL.Uefa Cup though is another story. Those teams I think can make it to the 3rd round,which for the 4th and 5th best clubs in Greece is pretty good. All in all my OPINION is that the Greek League as a whole is better than the Turkish. I mean when a player like Jardel just comes in and scores 7 goals in one game it shows that Turkeys lower teams really aren't matches at all......

With all due respect, I have to say that I am sceptical of the Greek teams. For the past few months I've seen posts on the forum that read "Whoah ! Watch out for ____ team from Greece ! They're really going to kick ass !" I don't watch Greek games, and who knows, perhaps they are really great. But I don't think that even with the few numbers of players that they send abroad or that have great talent at home, they would be able to match up to the bigger leagues.

Also about the Greek team, why is every Greek trying to make them seem intimidating and powerful ? Let results show that for you, don't post things like "Watch out ! Greece is going to kick ass !" Let us witness that for ourselves, because as much as you rant on and on, only results ultimately prove if they have improved or not. I think Greece's aim should be qualifying for WC 2002 before thinking of themselves as a football power.

TeKNoS

Teknos,

First of all when did we ever post such a thing as "Greece will kick ass".

2nd I merely stated that Greek Teams especially Olympiakos signed some really good players this off season and Greece has alot of young talent. Those are facts as for World Power...Hardly, And I never said that. Like u said lets hope results speak for themselves....

Teknos you are tottaly of topic in this one. Read the tittle of the topic and atleast some of the postings. Second of all lets not get this out of hand. I believe that any difference in opinion me and GSHakan had has been put well behind us and we have learned. Oh BTW Teknos, please enlighten us. Which topic is the one the Greeks are braging in and if you want 56 players names and there teams of those greeks that happen to be playing in the top 10 (- greece)Uefa rankings I would be glad to help you out with.

Simonius. Sinica Gogic was released at the end of this year (OLD AGE) from Oly and is now with APOEL. One more reason fore Cyprus to be #1. heehehehehehe

THE NEW RANKINGS:

1. Cyprus (Rainer Rauffman and Engomitis and Shimtras, so many stars gotta be #1)
2. Switzerland (FC Basel qualified for CL, Tchouga is now Europe's leading goalscorer and Shaun Bartlett and Chapuisat)
3. Italy (Sebastien Frey is the Man!!!)
4. England (Henchoz, the world's best defender)
5. Germany (Ciriaco Sforza of Bayern Munich is one of Europe's finest as is Zubi of Bayer)
6. France (Patrick Muller and Alex Comisetti are great players)
7. Holland (Johann Vogel!!!!!)
8. Spain (Lack of Swiss Players)
9. Greece (Sinissa Gogic!!!!!!!!!!!!)
10. Scotland (Ramon Vega is going to Celtic)

I saw on a galatasaray homepage that after all turkish teams had won their uefa and championsleage qualification games. Turkey has now gone 7 places up the list and has settled on the 7 place!

Kostas,

I thought that the Cypriot FA ruled that if he wanted to play in Cyprus he had to play for Anorthosis but he wanted to go to Apoel.

Apoel also signed Shimitras and Obiku so they're looking awesome. They qualified for the UEFA Cup.

Cypriot football rules!!! It isn't skatta like Greek football.

hehehehehehehe

For the Greeks:

I can't dig up posts that have been deleted. But in the past we would be discussing two different national teams in Europe, and out of nowhere, someone would blurt out something to the likes of "beware of Greece !" or "Greece's world class keeper is the best in Europe" and comments like that. I'm not trying to insult anyone, but if you truly want your team to be 'intimidating' or be respected, let results do that for you.

I cannot say that if I was a footballer from a top footballing nation, I would fear a country that hasn't made it to the World Cup recently. I think when Greece proves their strength in qualifiers, and their club teams show themselves to be strong and powerful against their European counterparts, then you can say that Greece truly has risen to become a top footballing nation.

Kostas7:

[Which topic is the one the Greeks are braging in and if you want 56 players names and there teams of those greeks that happen to be playing in the top 10 (- greece)Uefa rankings I would be glad to help you out with]

No thanks, I only follow top players, mostly from Spain, Italy, or England. Thanks anyways http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

TeKNoS

hakan suker is pure garbage, he proved that in euro cup 2000. The spanish league is the best, than the italian, and english are on par, and not far behind spain.

1.spanish
2.english
3.italian
4.german
5.french
6.portugese
7.scotish
8.dutch
you all know it is true, Turkey has nothing, 'gala' is 'garbage' and so is hakan suker. russia doesn't even have $5 dollars to put into a team let alone a player, 'dinamo' what? I say 'dinamo nothing'

simonious13, your burnt thats all i have to say

and exactly who the hell do you think you are, you 6 post wonder?

kostas, i didn't read your whole message, but i can assure you, i didn't assume it was a anti-turkish thing. i'm afraid you misunderstood me. not liking turkish football does not necessarily mean racism or anything, it doesn't mean you don't like the people. i actually have greek friends so you can be assured i'm not prejudiced or anything.

anyway, i'll say this again, i haven't even heard of iraklis whatever and crete whatever.

btw, andres, it's hakan sukur for your information. and i do believe he was the top scorer for the turkish team, which made it to the quarterfinals, jerk.

I think the Romanian league should be up there. I mean who have a lot of competion. There are teams like Steaua, Dinamo, Rapid, Arges, etc... who always battle for the title. Dinamo-Steaua is one of the biggest derbys in my opinion. Last year, the supporters set fire to the stadium and were fighting on the streets.(sad!!!!) Well i think we should be placed around 12th place and not around 20th. agree?

I think the Romanian league should be up there. I mean who have a lot of competion. There are teams like Steaua, Dinamo, Rapid, Arges, etc... who always battle for the title. Dinamo-Steaua is one of the biggest derbys in my opinion. Last year, the supporters set fire to the stadium and were fighting on the streets.(sad!!!!) Well i think we should be placed around 12th place and not around 20th. agree?

God, man, you f*cking asswipe, talking like a little kid.

I do not like some leagues, personally, I do think that Russian league is better than Scottish, Protuguese, and others, but I never say that those leagues suck.

Oh yeah, a "great" example -- "Dinamo". Dinamo finished 4-5th last year, and you even shouldn't come up with a team like that. Why don't you come up with Spartak Moscow -- who was in Cup Winners' Cup Semifinal in 1993, won ALL their Champions' League Group matches in 1995 (Blackburn -- English champions, Rossenborg -- Norwegian champions and Lagia Warsaw), then they got in UEFA Cup semifinal in 1998, beating Real Madrid 2:1 in 1999, and not qualifying out of group stage back then because of "group of death". Maybe last year Russian clubs sucked, but Spartak, for example are still considered "a higher" ranked club than, for example Arsenal.


In my country, money do not solve sh!t, in Western European countries, money solve everything. But when did you see a Scottish team in UEFA Cup semifinal these past 3 years? They even have 10 teams -- MLS have 12. You are just brainless idiot who just thinks that he is the one that should rate teams. I understand if you say that Russia isn't in the top 8, but saying stuff "Dinamo is nothing", "can't put 5 bucks for a player" is childish. Who the f*ck are you to rate teams by budgets??? Do you know that in UEFA it doesn't f*cking matter if you have money or not. It matters if you play good in European cups. Grow up, immature ignorant prick.

P.S. that was to andres.



[This message has been edited by Russian Rocket (edited 08-27-2000).]

Teknos,

Saying we have quality players isn't exactly saying we are the best. And yes, Eleftheropoulos is '1' of the best GK's in Europe. 98' Was voted #1 GK in CL. And last year got some European award for best GK in Europe. and he's only 24....

All we are saying is we have potential....Now let the results speak...

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ZHTO ELLAS!!! Olympiakos Forever!!!

And also it's funny how everyone is saying "IT SHOULD BE THIS". ummm...NO it shouldn't! Obviously it should be what is is!


PS Since Turkey have 2 teams in the qualifying round of the CL they have gotton more of a chance to get points,which they have done. Now there in 7th.

When you Greeks talk about "Olympiakos Forever" do you mean Olympiakos Piraeus or Olympiakos Nicosia?

Perhaps you should say

OLYMPIAKOS PIRAEUS FOREVER!

You said it yourself Simonius. When we greeks. Obviously the Greeks mean Olympiakos Pireaus. I don't see many Greeks favouring the Cyprian teams over the Greek ones but I personally follow some Cyprian soccer and always hope they do well in there European games.