The Wolf 2005 Option File BETA8
http://www.fcchampionz.com/TheWolfFM2005BETA8.rar

I have converted all stats to FM2005 stats with the exception of approx. 50 players (free agents and young B-Team players mostly) in the game who were not in the FM database.

I understand that some people may not agree with the new stats but the FM database is widely respected across the world as the most accurate available. If your favourite player(s) have stats you are not happy with you can always change them back to the default values using the in-game editor.

The stats have mainly changed the mediocre players in real life to mediocre in the game as opposed to the good/very good ratings they previously had in the game. With the default Konami database there was very little difference between the best/fastest/most skilled players in the game and the majority of the other players. The FM stats give a more accurate representation of the differences without turning superstars into supermen.

I have updated the transfers (to Jan 22 2005) from:
http://www.evo-web.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=19059
http://www.footballtransfers.co.uk/index.asp

There are a number of players who were not in the game who I have not yet created and added to the squads because there may literally be hundreds of players needing to be created by the end of the January transfer window but there are only so many free slots available so I am not creating players that have little/no chance of playing first team soccer by the end of the season yet. At the end of the transfer window I will create more players to fill the slots with the preference towards the better players.

I have started to allocate the correct shoes (or at least the correct brand where possible) to players in the game but I'm only about 10% of the way through. These are allocated with reference to the shoe pack included with the 2005 patch which included many different brands of shoe rather than 3 different colors of the F50+ or other shoes like many other packs. This will be completed by the end of the transfer window. I've been using this guide:
http://www.evo-web.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=7937

What I need are corrections to:
- Squad numbers (some of the transfers have not yet been allocated squad numbers that I could find but you may know them). Also national squad numbers need updating for many teams.
- Starting line-ups for any team in the game including national teams. Please post in a format easy to follow or else I cannot implement it. Obviously if a need for formation change is required, please include it.
- Transfers I've missed. Retirements, free agents, etc.
- Appearance data. Please post what changes need to be made to players (hair, face etc.) and I'll make the changes for the final release.
- Incorrect player name spellings.

PLEASE REMEMBER that if you view squads using the in-game 'Edit Player' feature, THE SQUADS & DATA will not look correct. The in-game 'Edit Player' feature does not reflect many changes made to the game but instead reads the default database. If you post in this thread saying things like "Rooney's at Everton" then you will enter the Hall Of Shame below because this bug with the in-game editor has been with us for almost 18 months now.

I'll try to make all changes posted here (as long as they're correct). PLEASE DO NOT POST PERSONAL OPINIONS WHICH HAVE NO BASIS IN FACT such as who you think should start for your team but in reality rarely does or else it'll be another trip to the Hall of Shame. This option file is for the Konami community to have the most accurate option file possible, not for you to glorify your team/favourite player in direct conflict with reality.

The final option file will come with a mini-patch so that you may use it online and with your Masters League (assuming you start a new league with the new option file). A number of leagues will be using this new option file as the default option file for their league so it's in everybody's interest to get this as accurate as we can.

All changes need to be posted by Jan 31st to be included. Posting after this date will not help as one of my projects has not been time-travel.

Many thanks
The Wolf


***HALL OF SHAME***
Currently Empty (but plenty of space)

Hm... excellent work Wolf.
Players like Carlos Alberto, or Derlei, or Bugnet (not Bugner), who were in teams present in PES4, and were moved to a non-ingame team, will they be removed/replaced by another ones?

Originally posted by Scratch-Br
Hm... excellent work Wolf.
Players like Carlos Alberto, or Derlei, or Bugnet (not Bugner), who were in teams present in PES4, and were moved to a non-ingame team, will they be removed/replaced by another ones?

I'll try to overwrite the empty slots, non-real players and minor players released/at non-PES4 clubs first before I overwrite any major/talented players as they still have a use in the Masters League.

it has transfer s like eboue on arsenal?
:o

Originally posted by lopikau
it has transfer s like eboue on arsenal?
:o

Yes.

Note: Please check rather than asking. This thread is supposed to be for amendments not features.

to Wolf, thx for taking the time to fix the stats. Some of them I really like, but I disagree with CM2005 on some of them, like Beckham's long pass and free kick acc. should be alot higher and Lampard's stats should be better too. But my question is how to get ur new stats into Master League? I've been trying to play ML for a while now but i dont like the default stats that it always goes back to. Do you know how to change the ML stats into the edited ones? Thx.

Originally posted by Butters85
to Wolf, thx for taking the time to fix the stats. Some of them I really like, but I disagree with CM2005 on some of them, like Beckham's long pass and free kick acc. should be alot higher and Lampard's stats should be better too. But my question is how to get ur new stats into Master League? I've been trying to play ML for a while now but i dont like the default stats that it always goes back to. Do you know how to change the ML stats into the edited ones? Thx.

ah nevermind, i mustve not read the part about the mini-patch. Is this patch out yet cuz I would like to play now until ur final version is done. Thx.

great work and this is nothing against the work you have done and are still doing..

But do you not think in general that the stats in these games 2005/CM favour the teams from the "BIG" leagues the ones that get the most coverage?

Ah, every game is like this.
As you see Real Madrid... they're always better than they really are.
But, as he said, FM/CM Database is widely respected as very accurate.

Originally posted by TristanAbbott7
Yes.

Note: Please check rather than asking. This thread is supposed to be for amendments not features.

Ok, thanx btw. :thumbsup:

I've noted that a lot of top strikers like Totti and Cassano have D-line and sliding abilities, whereas top defenders like Nesta and Cannavaro have not. They have striker abilities, though, like 1-1 scoring.
This is a bit weird, and I guess that there is some problem with the EditPES4's converter. Otherwise, I like it a lot.

excellent stuff, Wolf!

a few small things I've noticed.. Have just been looking through a few EPL teams, lots of players now have lots of positions they could play in, which is great. But there's a bug somewhere.. e.g. in Man Utd, how come Jone (who, I guess, btw, should have a first name attached to him to avoid confusion) has CMF as preferred position, but it doesn't show in the middle of the screen (only has SB, DMF and SMF). Can you fix this??

And, sorry to moan about Fulham again. But here goes..
1. Van der Sar seems to be playing regularly for the team again.
2. Some of the younger players have REALLY low stats, and their graphs look liike a tiny circle... I guess these are what the CM/FM stats say?
3. really important that Rosenior is included. He's been starting a few EPL games now. Also featured in EPL matches a few times are: Fontaine (he started in the Carling Cup game a few days back), and Timlin. Please try and include all 3 if you could..

Many thanks, keep it up!

Originally posted by jonz
I've noted that a lot of top strikers like Totti and Cassano have D-line and sliding abilities, whereas top defenders like Nesta and Cannavaro have not. They have striker abilities, though, like 1-1 scoring.
This is a bit weird, and I guess that there is some problem with the EditPES4's converter. Otherwise, I like it a lot.

I think sliding is more relating to timing and getting on the end of a ball to direct it rather than tackling ability at least in the way the stats are used in the game.

Originally posted by elth
excellent stuff, Wolf!

a few small things I've noticed.. Have just been looking through a few EPL teams, lots of players now have lots of positions they could play in, which is great. But there's a bug somewhere.. e.g. in Man Utd, how come Jone (who, I guess, btw, should have a first name attached to him to avoid confusion) has CMF as preferred position, but it doesn't show in the middle of the screen (only has SB, DMF and SMF). Can you fix this??

And, sorry to moan about Fulham again. But here goes..
1. Van der Sar seems to be playing regularly for the team again.
2. Some of the younger players have REALLY low stats, and their graphs look liike a tiny circle... I guess these are what the CM/FM stats say?
3. really important that Rosenior is included. He's been starting a few EPL games now. Also featured in EPL matches a few times are: Fontaine (he started in the Carling Cup game a few days back), and Timlin. Please try and include all 3 if you could..

Many thanks, keep it up!


If you think about it, a lot of the younger players on teams get loaned out to 2nd and 3rd division clubs and although they often do a good job, they aren't a patch on the first team regulars. I think FM/CM does a good job of actually making it a big deal if you have to play a reserve player because in real life, more often than not, they won't perform to the standards of the regular player and can have the effect of weakening the team significantly. Even Man Utd reserves who everybody jokes about being an EPL team in themselves couldn't take Exeter apart in the FA Cup. There's often a big difference between reserves and first-teamers and I think it's good this is a little more pronounced now.

Originally posted by Butters85
to Wolf, thx for taking the time to fix the stats. Some of them I really like, but I disagree with CM2005 on some of them, like Beckham's long pass and free kick acc. should be alot higher and Lampard's stats should be better too. But my question is how to get ur new stats into Master League? I've been trying to play ML for a while now but i dont like the default stats that it always goes back to. Do you know how to change the ML stats into the edited ones? Thx.

If you look at Beckham's free kick to goal scoring ratio it really isn't that high. If it was any higher, you risk being able to score too frequently to be realistic. There's a good chance you can get it on target almost everytime but not score more than he realistically would.

I think the stats for Lampard were set to take into account he still has a lot of growth potential yet in a number of areas. He does have very on and off games and isn't a constant like Gerrard yet who again is given room for further development.

Wolf: There is still a duplicate Seedorf ingame... you have corrected C. Seedorf at AC Milan into the Holland squad but the twin Seedorf is still there...

Originally posted by thenerdgod
Wolf: There is still a duplicate Seedorf ingame... you have corrected C. Seedorf at AC Milan into the Holland squad but the twin Seedorf is still there...


Thanks man.

Player positions seem to be really messed up and some players have no positions set at all! eg. in Finland squad Tihinen and Kuivasto have their positions all grey, they should have CBT both, as well as Hyypiä who only has CBW. Litmanen should be OMF/CF.

Wolf: Also, if you're like me and can't stand duplicate players, the EditPES4OptionFile's 'Duplicate names' list is good help... I've gone thru the list and there appears to be many duplicates still (no doubt some legetimate) but I'm sure some are real duplicates.

Originally posted by thenerdgod
Wolf: Also, if you're like me and can't stand duplicate players, the EditPES4OptionFile's 'Duplicate names' list is good help... I've gone thru the list and there appears to be many duplicates still (no doubt some legetimate) but I'm sure some are real duplicates.


Actually when I go through the duplicates list using the editor, because I have the CM stats plugged in behind it, I can see which ones (at least with the same names) have the potential to be duplicates. Many of the duplicate names are actually ML young/growth players with the same name/nationality as real players.

Wolf : I know that eboue is in arsenal squad. but how to edit him?
I dont like editpes4optionfile.. make my game crashs
:rolleyes:

Wolf: I see what you mean regarding duplicate players... maybe if you have more time for your next release after Jan 31st, you could consider having first initial to distinguish false duplicates

Just spotted another confirmed duplicate:

Van Der Struijk at Willem II that has same stats

Also, I notice many unknown teams have their numbers completely messed up but it doesn't bother me:)

Originally posted by Juusto
Player positions seem to be really messed up and some players have no positions set at all! eg. in Finland squad Tihinen and Kuivasto have their positions all grey, they should have CBT both, as well as Hyypiä who only has CBW. Litmanen should be OMF/CF.

This appears to be a display problem for some reason as if you go to edit the player you'll see they have their correct positions there and if you highlight them in the edit team section, the correct position players are suggested (highlighted) to replace them in that position.

The FM/CM stats do offer more potential positions than those offered in the default Konami stats. For instance, over the years, Giggs has player as a forward, a central midfielder, an offensive midfielder, a winger and a side midfielder. Many players can slot to different positions if needed and actually when the CPU makes a sub for an inujured player, you don't actually get so many baffling replacements now. For instance, if Man Utd ran out of forwards in real life, they'd put somebody like Ronaldo, Giggs or Scholes up front who have all played forward before. With Konamis subs system the CPU would likely bring in a reserve b-team level player who in reality would not get the starting position.

Real Madrid corrections:

Morientes = #8 --swap-- with Borja = #4

Missing:
Javi Garcia (midfielder) (sub for Beckham)
Arbeloa (side back) (sub for salgado)

Note: these players listed have played AND started first team soccer.

Originally posted by thenerdgod
Wolf: I see what you mean regarding duplicate players... maybe if you have more time for your next release after Jan 31st, you could consider having first initial to distinguish false duplicates

Just spotted another confirmed duplicate:

Van Der Struijk at Willem II that has same stats

Also, I notice many unknown teams have their numbers completely messed up but it doesn't bother me:)


Thanks, just got rid of him. This is why it's a good idea to release a beta to solve these issues first :)

The squad numbers do need a complete overall especially with all the transfer going on. Might be a good idea to do these at the end of the transfer window.

Yes, Abreloa should be in there. Brazilian managers does not like the way european teams play a lot of times... That's why Luxemburgo put real back to the simple 4-4-2... and there was no right back disponible...
I don't know exactly, but Abreloa plays on B Team, don't know if it will stay there or keep playing with the first team.

Wolf, i can help you with french numbers in the end of transfer window... some teams had wrong numbers in it... and the Sochaux forward is just Santos, not F. dos Santos.

Sorry Wolf, maybe it's a bit irrelevent but.., have you ever considered to release option file that includes global(aka macro)player stat tweaks?
I believe there's quite a lot of people who would agree that PES4 feels too clumsy, even comical at times. The major problems are:

1) The first touch is awfull - bouncing rubber ball, players pushing/flicking the ball 10 meters away after weak pass, playuers pushing the ball out of bound without a good reason etc.
I think increasing tehnique and response by 10-15 digits for everyone would cure this.

2) Stumbling, shirt tuging, tripping over the ball - I know, modern football is very physical nowdays, but the exaggagerated way it's implemented in Pes4 is over the top. Both humans and AI should be forced to try and win ball using precise and smart tackling/covering and not reduce every struggle to just ''who will win the wrestle this time''.
Increasing balance could help this.

3) Game speed - you may have different views, but if talking facts, Pes4 is too fast compared to real thing. Watch La liga or Seria A, the match tempo is rarely so furious as it's almost all the time in Pes4. Players and CPU should be forced to play smarter, more and much sophisticated passing than just ''kick it, kick it''.
Top speed and acceleration, maybe short pass speed also must be decreased.

Dribble acc. speed should not be changed, it's fine as is.

I already experimented a bit with these ''macro'' changes and found the gameplay more enjoyable than previous. Proffesional footballers now behave more like they should insted of default setting where I got a feeling like I was playing sunday league teams with crap amateurs suffering from hangover.

Just a thought. Hope I haven't earned place in hall of shame. :confused:

Oh, and have my gratitude to monstrous work you're doing for community.:rockman:

Originally posted by Juusto
Player positions seem to be really messed up and some players have no positions set at all! eg. in Finland squad Tihinen and Kuivasto have their positions all grey, they should have CBT both, as well as Hyypiä who only has CBW. Litmanen should be OMF/CF.

This is due to a bug I just figured in EditPES4OptionFile conversion. Same goes for DLine and Sliding abilities.

The Wolf get in touch with me so we can find a quick way to proceed in fixing your option file.

Ok, thanks to Yannick (kschoice) the positions/attributes bug has now been fixed. I have posted a BETA2 version in the first post which shows the corrections.

Th next patch can solve 3D analyze problem?
or this problem need time to solve it.

Where is Fabregas :S:S

Cesc = Fabregas, he is in Arsenal

NOOOOOOOOO, I was just doing a big post of updates and the page crashed,ah well:rolleyes:

What boots are in this pack?

wolf i think you should release a option file without edited player stats,i was just editing arsenal players boots and van persie was all wrong his stats had dropped significantly and his dominant foot was right but hes left footed,i dont want to have to go through every player defaulting them. also alot of the premiership teams number colours are wrong

all the numbers in the premiership are black or white with the exception of west brom,blackburn and newcastle.

for example norwich's numbers aren't green with yellow short numbers,they are both black,also not all teams in the premiership have curved letters,chelsea for example,teams with new kits have curved letters whereas teams with kits in their second season have straight letters

Originally posted by jimbo118
wolf i think you should release a option file without edited player stats,i was just editing arsenal players boots and van persie was all wrong his stats had dropped significantly and his dominant foot was right but hes left footed,i dont want to have to go through every player defaulting them. also alot of the premiership teams number colours are wrong

all the numbers in the premiership are black or white with the exception of west brom,blackburn and newcastle.

for example norwich's numbers aren't green with yellow short numbers,they are both black,also not all teams in the premiership have curved letters,chelsea for example,teams with new kits have curved letters whereas teams with kits in their second season have straight letters

agreed

could you release just a transfer update?pretty pls:fluffy:

http://footballsquads.com/squads.htm

Squad numbers on there if you want to check, they are quite up to date as well.

Great work but its messed up positions quite badly. Here are the real Charlton positions, I found them when I posted them in one of the old threads. You did fix them in your old option file. Main position is first. Take away any other positions they aren't real at all.

Perry - CB
Hreidarsson - SB CB
Sankofa - CB SB
Fortune - CB
El Karkouri - CBW CB DMF
Kishishev - SB DMF CMF SMF
Stuart - CMF SMF
Sam - SM WF
Konchesky - SM SB
Euell - CMF CF OMF
Lisbie - CF WF
Johansson - CF WF
Hughes - CMF OMF SMF
McCafferty - CMF OMF
Long - CMF
Murphy - CMF OMF SMF
Thomas - SMF WF
Rommedahl - SMF WF
Holland CMF SMF DMF
Fish - CB


Check FM if needed these position are all in FM.

jesuli 6 special abilties,isnt that a bit much?

Excellent update on 0.92 kchoise. The positions and special abilities are perfect now !! How is it coming along with the use of FM05 database BTW?

Originally posted by jonz
Excellent update on 0.92 kchoise. The positions and special abilities are perfect now !! How is it coming along with the use of FM05 database BTW?

Unfortunately, I'm lacking a tiny bit of information to be able to support it.

Thanks, Wolf, great job, indeed !!!

As I previously mentionned in another post, some players (and some famous ones !) have wrong faces. Some with white-skinned faces have the #161 face instead of theirs. And the same problem occured for the other skin colors.
This seems to be caused by the use of out-of-date versions of EditPes4OptionFile, which didn't allow to assign faces with greater number than 161 to players. This problem has been solved by Yannick and it is now very easy to change the face numbers to their right values with EditPes4OptionFile (v. 0.92) in the Players > Physical Settings menu. It's even easier with the in-game editor by setting the face to its default values ("standard").

Here is the list of players having wrong faces (and the right face numbers) :

Color 1 (note : I've added some players who have wrong face in the game whereas they don't have #161 face, such as De Boer)

Di Biagio : 162
Morfeo : 165
Cudicini : 169
Doni : 170
Simone Inzhagi : 173
Overmars : 177 (not sure he's still in the game)
De Boer : 178
Bergkamp : 179
Bosvelt : 182
Van Bommel : 183
Van Der Meyde : 185
Van Persie : 187
Sneijder : 188
Dudek : 191
Couto : 193
Pauleta : 196
Chivu : 198
Karpin : 199
Nihat : 203
Montero : 205
O'Brien : 207
McBride : 208
Reyna : 209
Bellamy : 211
Milosevic : 213
Mijatovic : 214
Kovacevic : 216

Color 2
Bouma : 34

Color 3
Reiziger : 37
Nuno Gomes : 39
Howard : 44
Pienaar : 45

Color 4
Hasselbaink : 19
Davids : 20
Kluivert : 21
Kallon : 24
Yorke : 25

Originally posted by thenerdgod
Real Madrid corrections:

Morientes = #8 --swap-- with Borja = #4

Missing:
Javi Garcia (midfielder) (sub for Beckham)
Arbeloa (side back) (sub for salgado)

Note: these players listed have played AND started first team soccer.

Originally posted by TristanAbbott7

I think the stats for Lampard were set to take into account he still has a lot of growth potential yet in a number of areas. He does have very on and off games and isn't a constant like Gerrard yet who again is given room for further development.

I'm sorry, but the thing about Frank Lampard is that he IS very consistent. He almost never plays a poor game, so I don't really understand how you can say that he is very on and off.

Very good job with the patch though ;)

pellegrino is leaving valencia I think
dunno if he's retireing or if he is sold to another club though

Originally posted by cyril
Thanks, Wolf, great job, indeed !!!

As I previously mentionned in another post, some players (and some famous ones !) have wrong faces. Some with white-skinned faces have the #161 face instead of theirs. And the same problem occured for the other skin colors.
This seems to be caused by the use of out-of-date versions of EditPes4OptionFile, which didn't allow to assign faces with greater number than 161 to players. This problem has been solved by Yannick and it is now very easy to change the face numbers to their right values with EditPes4OptionFile (v. 0.92) in the Players > Physical Settings menu. It's even easier with the in-game editor by setting the face to its default values ("standard").

Here is the list of players having wrong faces (and the right face numbers) :

Color 1 (note : I've added some players who have wrong face in the game whereas they don't have #161 face, such as De Boer)

Di Biagio : 162
Morfeo : 165
Cudicini : 169
Doni : 170
Simone Inzhagi : 173
Overmars : 177 (not sure he's still in the game)
De Boer : 178
Bergkamp : 179
Bosvelt : 182
Van Bommel : 183
Van Der Meyde : 185
Van Persie : 187
Sneijder : 188
Dudek : 191
Couto : 193
Pauleta : 196
Chivu : 198
Karpin : 199
Nihat : 203
Montero : 205
O'Brien : 207
McBride : 208
Reyna : 209
Bellamy : 211
Milosevic : 213
Mijatovic : 214
Kovacevic : 216

Color 2
Bouma : 34

Color 3
Reiziger : 37
Nuno Gomes : 39
Howard : 44
Pienaar : 45

Color 4
Hasselbaink : 19
Davids : 20
Kluivert : 21
Kallon : 24
Yorke : 25

Thank you so much for the information, I'm hate to see the #161 face everywhere :( .... Please could you give us more update about the players face? Thanks

Very nice patch Wolf :)

Was just wondering about the AC milan squad. I see that Maldini is listed as CBT/CBW and his area of play is only in front of goal. I think he plays LB (left back) in real life but i'm not sure though :)

Same with Cafu I think. His area of play is missing on the RB side.

Everlast,

I'm fed up with those clones too ;-)

I only listed above (all) the players who have their real face in the game, i.e. famous players, but a lot of other (unknown) players also have that damn #161 face.

I can't list them all, there are too much. But as I said before, it's quite easy to remove the #161 face from those players in the in-game editor. What I suggest is to go to the edit menu each time you find a player with that face. In the "face" editor, you can change the settings to their default values and the #161 face will be gone.

Do the same for the other colors, as you may also find a strange amount of #18 faces (color 4) and #36 (color 3). I don't know for color 2.

By the way, I forgot
Van Hooijdonk : think his face should be #36, color 3
Kahn : #31, color 1.

Wolf,

I think Pires and Giuly should swap places.
Same for Henry and Saha.
Trezeguet is about to come back (and take Saha's place anyway ;))

Originally posted by jonz
Excellent update on 0.92 kchoise. The positions and special abilities are perfect now !! How is it coming along with the use of FM05 database BTW?

This has messed up special abilites a bit, LOADS of players have side and/or centre.

Olympiacos S.F.P.

Kit->Change Number Style to No.1

Line Up:
Milos Maric <---> Kafes
Mavrogennidis <---> Georgiadis

Captain: Djordjevic

--------------------------------------
Panathinaikos

OUT:
Sapanis

IN:
First Team:
ANDERSON LIMA (callname and jersey name Anderson) ->41
in cm4 -> Chalkidona A Ethniki Greece, Brazilian, skin like roberto carlos, slim built, very short almost shaved hair, please use FM2005 stats not CM4 if possible)

Subs:
HARALABIDES -> 40
ROUBAKIS ->37

Line Up:
Morris <---> Goumas
Sanmartean <---> Anderson

Captain: Goumas
---------------------------------------------

AEK Athens

Tziortzopoulos (No. 14) and Stergiatos (No.27) were there in the previous option file, seems like they were accidently removed.

IN:
First Team:
Krassas No. 30*
Kampantais No.11*

Subs:
Solakis No.20
Bourbos No.28
Kyrgiakidis No.26 (From Ionikos FC)

*were there in CM4 but uknown and VERY underrated, please use FM2005 stats not CM4 if possible. The same applies for Soares No.7

Line Up:
Amponsah (CBT)<---> Moras
Kappos (LB)<---> Tziortzopoulos
Petkov (DMF) <--->Asuncao
(LMF)--->Ivic
(RMF)--->Krassas
(OMF)--->Lyberopoulos
(CF)--->Soares

Ivic is No.17
Malbasa is No.3

Captain: Katsouranis
-----------------------------------

Greek National Team

Squad Number Changes:
Kapsis > 19
Fyssas > 14
Zagorakis > 7
Katsouranis > 21
Karagounis > 20
Vryzas > 15
Katergiannakis > 13
Chalkias > 12
Venetidis > 3
Kyrgiakos > 18
Georgiadis > 17
Lakis > 23
Giannakopoulos > 8
Amanatidis > 22
Papadopoulos > 11

Originally posted by cyril
Thanks, Wolf, great job, indeed !!!

As I previously mentionned in another post, some players (and some famous ones !) have wrong faces. Some with white-skinned faces have the #161 face instead of theirs. And the same problem occured for the other skin colors.
This seems to be caused by the use of out-of-date versions of EditPes4OptionFile, which didn't allow to assign faces with greater number than 161 to players. This problem has been solved by Yannick and it is now very easy to change the face numbers to their right values with EditPes4OptionFile (v. 0.92) in the Players > Physical Settings menu. It's even easier with the in-game editor by setting the face to its default values ("standard").

Here is the list of players having wrong faces (and the right face numbers) :

Color 1 (note : I've added some players who have wrong face in the game whereas they don't have #161 face, such as De Boer)

Di Biagio : 162
Morfeo : 165
Cudicini : 169
Doni : 170
Simone Inzhagi : 173
Overmars : 177 (not sure he's still in the game)
De Boer : 178
Bergkamp : 179
Bosvelt : 182
Van Bommel : 183
Van Der Meyde : 185
Van Persie : 187
Sneijder : 188
Dudek : 191
Couto : 193
Pauleta : 196
Chivu : 198
Karpin : 199
Nihat : 203
Montero : 205
O'Brien : 207
McBride : 208
Reyna : 209
Bellamy : 211
Milosevic : 213
Mijatovic : 214
Kovacevic : 216

Color 2
Bouma : 34

Color 3
Reiziger : 37
Nuno Gomes : 39
Howard : 44
Pienaar : 45

Color 4
Hasselbaink : 19
Davids : 20
Kluivert : 21
Kallon : 24
Yorke : 25 If somene can upload all the faces(the bin files) that created in Oedit and incllud them in a new option file(bases on the wolf new option file) with the right numbers..it will be the most reality patch in pes4!!! am I right guys??

Uh... the faces I mentioned here are already in the game ;)

sorry...I meant to the own created faces with Oedit

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National: Holland -> Captain, Davids
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Int. Ajax -> Captain, Galasek

Right Forward: Mauro Rosales
Center forward: Babel/Charisteas (Charisteas is new, dont know if he or babel will play more, just do what you think is best :) )

also babel doens't really looks like babel, i dont know if i should look for something better and post the numbers, but here's just a picture of him http://www.ajax.nl/upload_mm/1959420765_1999999390_contractondertekeningen_babe l.jpg
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Nice work again Wolf :)

Im not going to use this patch if abilities stay like this, I think the default database is more realistic. Top players are way too good in this patch and regular players have loads of special abilities too, but Ronaldinho for example is so underrated.

wolf any chance of just a option file for people who dont want updated stats as some of them are bonkers tbh,wayne bridge hasnt played a game hardly this year and now his stats have rocketed whereas john terry who has played every game stats have decreased,mediocre players have far too many special abilities,also john o'shea stats are way too high

pls think about a stat update free option file for us who dont want updated stats

Originally posted by jimbo118
wolf any chance of just a option file for people who dont want updated stats as some of them are bonkers tbh,wayne bridge hasnt played a game hardly this year and now his stats have rocketed whereas john terry who has played every game stats have decreased,mediocre players have far too many special abilities,also john o'shea stats are way too high

pls think about a stat update free option file for us who dont want updated stats

am I wrong or is it the third time you ask ? I believe The Wolf is sleeping right now, he's not going to answer you so please stop posting the same request again and again.

its a BETA so just wait on the FINAL VERSION !

just dont want him to forget;)

robben 9 special abilities yet the rest of the chelsea team have 1 or 2:crazyboy:

Originally posted by jimbo118
just dont want him to forget;)

robben 9 special abilities yet the rest of the chelsea team have 1 or 2:crazyboy:

Well Robben does always saves the day for chelsea ;)

just in Wesley Sonk form Ajax to Borussia Mönchengladbach :)

Originally posted by Juusto
Im not going to use this patch if abilities stay like this, I think the default database is more realistic. Top players are way too good in this patch and regular players have loads of special abilities too, but Ronaldinho for example is so underrated.

The default database is far from realistic. Konami bumped up the stats of poor and avarage players by 10-20 points in 95% of areas so they would be more competitive and teams would be more equal overall. In real life, a team such as Arsenal will beat any other team in the Premiership (with the exception of Man. Utd., or Chelsea) probably 8 times out of ten on current form. Konami tried to bring the weaker players/teams up to make them more competitive so that playing with a good team isn't too much of an advantage. How is that realistic though? Now, if you play as Arsenal then only the good/very good teams should give you a challenge if your a good player except for the odd freeaky game where you get beaten by weaker opposition. Again, just like in real life.

I didn't expect this option file to be popular with some people as sometimes more realism takes away from the enjoyment.

Regarding the multi-positions of some players, players can play in more than one position and 95% of the time in the game, the player will play their main position but just as I posted in another thread, if Man Utd in real life had their first choice forwards out of action, they would move Giggs or Scholes up front and put another good player in their place. They wouldn't leave Giigs or Scholes where they are and play some 3rd or 4th string player up front. You play your strongest players who can play the positions if they need to and do a good job. You don't not play Giggs as a forward but instead play some youth player just because Gigs is stuck at Left Winger in the game.

I've had this happen in the default Konami game where my central/offensive midfield players have been banned/injured and instead of the CPU putting someone like Ronaldo across to the center and putting somebody like Phil Neville to cover Ronaldo like in real life, the computer has put Rossi or Jones!!! Can you imagine that happening in real life? Scholes is injured so rather than playing a strong team and moving a player to a position they don't always play, we'll bring in a youth player who has never even started a premiership game!!!

I hope you can see what I mean by this. Short of playing aggressively and getting 3 or 4 players sent off every game (again, not realistic so you can only expect unrealistic consequences if you play like this) 99% of the time the players will play their regular position and only in emergencies, again, like real life, will the players play elsewhere.

As for players being overrated/underrated, that's just the stats that were created by a panel of people who made the FM/CM games. Lampard isn't Viera so why have his stats that high? You have to remember that although Lampards stats might not look like he's a superstar, the poor/average players stats have gone down so in relation, Lampard has become a far better player in the game.

nice work, although some faces are missplaced, some faces that already exist in the game (eg. Tim Howard, Sneijder, Nihat etc)

i mean, they were in the game already, eg. Nihat's face is 203, but he's got another face, like if you accidentally moved em

so are you gona release a default ability option file too,i mean robben 9 special abilities:o

Originally posted by elth
excellent stuff, Wolf!

a few small things I've noticed.. Have just been looking through a few EPL teams, lots of players now have lots of positions they could play in, which is great. But there's a bug somewhere.. e.g. in Man Utd, how come Jone (who, I guess, btw, should have a first name attached to him to avoid confusion) has CMF as preferred position, but it doesn't show in the middle of the screen (only has SB, DMF and SMF). Can you fix this??

And, sorry to moan about Fulham again. But here goes..
1. Van der Sar seems to be playing regularly for the team again.
2. Some of the younger players have REALLY low stats, and their graphs look liike a tiny circle... I guess these are what the CM/FM stats say?
3. really important that Rosenior is included. He's been starting a few EPL games now. Also featured in EPL matches a few times are: Fontaine (he started in the Carling Cup game a few days back), and Timlin. Please try and include all 3 if you could..

Many thanks, keep it up!


Added all these new Fulham players for you.

Originally posted by jimbo118
so are you gona release a default ability option file too,i mean robben 9 special abilities:o

No. I said in the first post that if people dislike individual players stats/changes they can just amend/default them using the in-game editor. You can just default players to their Konami database settings.

It would take too much time to simultaneously do two option files. All the new players in the game have to have the new stats anyway as no Konami ones are avaialble so this creates a mismatch if all players do not have the updated system.

ok but nearly every player has new stats,do i have to go through every player 1 by 1 or is their like a general default fix somewhere?

oh btw, i was just wondering, will the new patch also edit the ingame database? (the one used for online games and stuff? That would be great :) (or is that a big problem for online play?)

The Wolf there are some little problem on color number, for example on the Portugal team the front numbers has no correct color, because the circle has not exactly the same color than number.

the defaul ML players, Minanda, Ivarov, Valeny...etc, are now called

Ivarov ML
Minanda ML
Valeny ML
Kelsen ML

is there a way to fix this, cuz im playing and ML with the default players and their names have changed :)

Well, first of all, I'll applaud Wolf for what must have been a lot of work to make this sort of patch. It is something that many people wanted to see done.

However, from my experience with converters from CM/FM, is that they do make some players stats more realistic but make almost an equally amount of errored stats. CM/FM is a simulation game with a totally different game code. PES is an action game. What one stat in FM would affect does not in the same way in PES, even if it has the same name.

An example is the jump ability. In FM, since there is no height stats for players, it incorporates both height and leaping ability to jumping. However, in PES there is height values. SO, say for a goalie like Cech, who has a high jumping value in FM, will have extrememly high jumping values in PES PLUS having 2m height....There are many more examples of these types of discrepency.

I find that PES database is faily accurate. It's only flaw is that it tends to overate players past their peak. But all in all, the PES database was created with BALANCE in mind. THis is a key feature that has direct influence on how the game plays. I looked only briefly at some of your stats and found some errors that would be hard to fix without changing them indivdualy. Goalies seem to have lower than normal Defence ratings. A players like Xavi has become quite average. Things like long/short pass speed have become too strong, while Power has decreased to ludicrous values for some, etc.

You say that 'average' players are too good in the game. I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Why a team like Arsenal should beat the weaker EPL teams like you said 8/10 times, has to do with the cummulative slightly better abilities of individual players not just one superstar like Henry (though he may have a big influence). Teamplay is also very important (probably the most). Just look at Madrid this season...

If you continue to release your option file updates with this database, I urge you to make a version with default stats like has already been asked. Saying to change the stats for individual players that we disagree with is not a plausable solution.

Anyways, either way, thanks for the work Wolf.

Originally posted by Von Mistelroum
the defaul ML players, Minanda, Ivarov, Valeny...etc, are now called

Ivarov ML
Minanda ML
Valeny ML
Kelsen ML

is there a way to fix this, cuz im playing and ML with the default players and their names have changed :)


Well, the ML players have ML after them so they aren't accidentally edited over at the moment. The BETA file is just supposed to be for testing to make amendments, not really to play ongoing seasons with.

Originally posted by Master Kush
Well, first of all, I'll applaud Wolf for what must have been a lot of work to make this sort of patch. It is something that many people wanted to see done.

However, from my experience with converters from CM/FM, is that they do make some players stats more realistic but make almost an equally amount of errored stats. CM/FM is a simulation game with a totally different game code. PES is an action game. What one stat in FM would affect does not in the same way in PES, even if it has the same name.

An example is the jump ability. In FM, since there is no height stats for players, it incorporates both height and leaping ability to jumping. However, in PES there is height values. SO, say for a goalie like Cech, who has a high jumping value in FM, will have extrememly high jumping values in PES PLUS having 2m height....There are many more examples of these types of discrepency.

I find that PES database is faily accurate. It's only flaw is that it tends to overate players past their peak. But all in all, the PES database was created with BALANCE in mind. THis is a key feature that has direct influence on how the game plays. I looked only briefly at some of your stats and found some errors that would be hard to fix without changing them indivdualy. Goalies seem to have lower than normal Defence ratings. A players like Xavi has become quite average. Things like long/short pass speed have become too strong, while Power has decreased to ludicrous values for some, etc.

You say that 'average' players are too good in the game. I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Why a team like Arsenal should beat the weaker EPL teams like you said 8/10 times, has to do with the cummulative slightly better abilities of individual players not just one superstar like Henry (though he may have a big influence). Teamplay is also very important (probably the most). Just look at Madrid this season...

If you continue to release your option file updates with this database, I urge you to make a version with default stats like has already been asked. Saying to change the stats for individual players that we disagree with is not a plausable solution.

Anyways, either way, thanks for the work Wolf.


This is assuming jump ability is used in strict accordance with height in terms of chances of winning the ball. I understand what you are saying but the timing of the jump is vital to win the header otherwise a tall forward with a good jumping rating would win every header at corners. In real life you can have a tall player with a crappy jump ability who can get outjumped by shorter players with better jump ability and better timing. Perry at Charlton is an example. He outjumps some taller players with good timing and he has a good vertical leap. FM uses the stats for chance to reach the high ball irrespective of height which is pretty much the same as Konami's jump rating which is mostly independent of height also. The height is there in the Konami game but it's more for appearance than of use unless there is a vastly wide gap. Jump ability and timing and balance are more vital to winning the ball unless you are 350 tall or 100 tall.

Take dribble speed for example. In the default Konami database and the FM/CM satabase stats, some players have faster dribble speed than actual speed rating. On the face of it, this doesn't make sense but in actual face it's all on a scale, not as a comparative absolute. So 100 dribbling speed doesn't mean you can outrun a player running with 90 actual speed. It's a fact that no player can dribble as fast as they can just sprint. Some can get close and at very, very best, nature could make the numbers equal. But when you use a scale, you can have two players who have vastly different sprint to sprint speeds but the slower player may actually be able to dribble faster than the player who can beat them in an outright sprint.

The defense rating is PES4 is propensity to defense, not actuall effectiveness at defense. Take Campbell and reduce his defense to 0 but leaves his stats the same and he is still good in defense. You can put Henry in defense and he'll still be better at defense than some players with vastly higher 'defense' stats simply because of his speed and timing and balance etc.

The cumulative ratings of the team is important in winning games but how often do teams like Arsenal suffer when Henry is out of the game or Man Utd underplay without Keane in midfield. Individual players have a huge influence on the overall performance of teams. Remember Man Utd without Cantona?

Regarding pass speed, shouldn't pass speed (especially short pass speed) be high anyway for pretty much most of the players? Any professional can hit the ball very hard over a short distance. What is imortant is the accuracy.

In terms of realism, Real Madrid underperforming in real life is a mystery given the squad they have. Chelsea are more of an example of what a team full of superstars should do. But, if you play as Real Madrid in the game you should find it easier than if you play with Norwich City. You shouldn't be able to mark Ronaldo out of the game with any midfielder or defender in the game every time. The balance in Konami's database was there to enable players to stand a chance of winning with their favourite team regardless of what that team is. This is unrealistic. You shouldn't be able to find it easy to win every game on level 5 or 6 with AZ or WBA just because you're pretty good at the game. It should be a real struggle. Just as if you're not too good at the game, you should get better results with France than you would with Iran.

Konami made almost every player in the game as if they could pretty much walk onto any first team (except for maybe Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea, Real, Barca and AC Milan, etc.) and perform just as well as the player they replace. This is not realistic at all. If you have to play Rossi instead of Scholes, you should feel the difference big time.

The option file is a matter of taste. Like I said before, realism doesn't always make it more enjoyable for some people but my ultimate aim was to have the most realistic simulation possible.

Wolf,

Great job on the updated file. For me it makes the game more realistic than ever.
Update

James Beattie has been given the #8 by
Everton.
Keep up the great work.

Salmon

Could somebody Spanish check thie official La Liga website:

http://www.lfp.es/competiciones/2003-04/segunda/main_1.htm

and tell me if the Liga 1 squads are accurate and up to date.

Wolf,
The site is fairly up to date but

http://elmundodeporte.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/especiales/2004/08/liga/primeradivision/equipos/

is a better site transfers tend to be updated within 24 hours.
Hope this helps.

I have used the fm2005 stats option file wolf proivided, but i used we option file editor to increse all stats on all players by 3 points, so that now, a 20 in fm2005 is 99 in Pro4. This way its a bit more responsive.

Originally posted by Salmon
Wolf,
The site is fairly up to date but

http://elmundodeporte.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/especiales/2004/08/liga/primeradivision/equipos/

is a better site transfers tend to be updated within 24 hours.
Hope this helps.


Thanks man, that helps a lot.

I agree with Wolf's decision as I feel there SHOULD be a greater difference between galacticos and other players.

Those that disagree should firstly ACCEPT his decision and either hunt elsewhere for their OF needs or do something about it themselves e.g. converting them to default for the community instead of badgering Wolf to change his mind, which he won't. It's hard making one OF, why the hell would you ask him to make TWO? Why don't you make one yourself for the community?

Originally posted by Salmon
Wolf,
The site is fairly up to date but

http://elmundodeporte.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/especiales/2004/08/liga/primeradivision/equipos/

is a better site transfers tend to be updated within 24 hours.
Hope this helps.

Looking at the La Liga squads, this side is so out of date!!! A better side is:

http://www.zerozero.pt/uk/home.php

Originally posted by matthewfever
I have used the fm2005 stats option file wolf proivided, but i used we option file editor to increse all stats on all players by 3 points, so that now, a 20 in fm2005 is 99 in Pro4. This way its a bit more responsive.

Are you sure you weren't using EditPES4OptionFile ? There is another program called WEOptEditor but I don't think you could do that with it. So please refer to my program with the good name. ;)

Originally posted by thenerdgod
I agree with Wolf's decision as I feel there SHOULD be a greater difference between galacticos and other players.

Those that disagree should firstly ACCEPT his decision and either hunt elsewhere for their OF needs or do something about it themselves e.g. converting them to default for the community instead of badgering Wolf to change his mind, which he won't. It's hard making one OF, why the hell would you ask him to make TWO? Why don't you make one yourself for the community?

I second that.

Originally posted by Von Mistelroum
nice work, although some faces are missplaced, some faces that already exist in the game (eg. Tim Howard, Sneijder, Nihat etc)

i mean, they were in the game already, eg. Nihat's face is 203, but he's got another face, like if you accidentally moved em

There's a post about that problem in that thread already.
I've listed ALL the players having their real face in the game but "wearing" a wrong one in Wolf's option file.

I've also listed their respective real face numbers so as everyone (maybe the Wolf ? ;)) can make the changes to get the faces back to their original values.

ok i see people are split but i'll definately give it a shot,i just hope i dont get into a situation where for example im playing as arsenal and henry is able to sprint by every player on the pitch etc,we dont want to go back to the days of the awful 'dribbling fix' of pes2:rolleyes: ,i also dont understand why so many average players have so many special abilities,j.cole and robben have loads whereas the rest of the chelsea starting line up have only 1 or 2,special abilities for me should be at a minimum ,reserved for players who do things week in week out on the world stage etc,for example i believe someone like ronaldo should have the scoring ability but should j.hartson have it too if hes playing in vastly different and far worse league,if he was playing in spain he'd never have that ability,its all about balance

Originally posted by jimbo118
ok i see people are split but i'll definately give it a shot,i just hope i dont get into a situation where for example im playing as arsenal and henry is able to sprint by every player on the pitch etc,we dont want to go back to the days of the awful 'dribbling fix' of pes2:rolleyes: ,i also dont understand why so many average players have so many special abilities,j.cole and robben have loads whereas the rest of the chelsea starting line up have only 1 or 2,special abilities for me should be at a minimum ,reserved for players who do things week in week out on the world stage etc,for example i believe someone like ronaldo should have the scoring ability but should j.hartson have it too if hes playing in vastly different and far worse league,if he was playing in spain he'd never have that ability,its all about balance

As I said, stats may be more realistic, but special abilities aren't. Loads of players have side and/or centre thing, why? I don't think the converter works properly with special abilites.

For example, why has Kiely (Charlton keeper) got penalty scoring? Penalty stopping yes, but scoring I can't understand.

For example, why has Kiely (Charlton keeper) got penalty scoring? Penalty stopping yes, but scoring I can't understand

lol sounds like this converter has some teething problems,i noticed a few players had anti-dribbling goalie(another beauty from konami),isnt that a special ability for gk's?

Originally posted by jimbo118
lol sounds like this converter has some teething problems,i noticed a few players had anti-dribbling goalie(another beauty from konami),isnt that a special ability for gk's?

The text relative to this ability in PES is "Can guard the ball with tricky dribbling". Doesn't seem to me as a special ability for keepers.

Now, I'm getting sick of these comments about the converter. If you don't like it, either have a look at CM4 stats, and tell me what way I must convert them in order to make everyone of you happy with every single player of the game, or don't use it.

yeah i know kschoice i was just jokin about konami's awful translation you see,hmm that definition doesnt say it is for keepers or other players so maybe since it has goalie in the title it is a goalie special ability,any 1 know any players that has this ability?

Eej Wolf,

I hope I'm in time for some changes to some players.
I'll start with PSV Eindhoven.
John de Jong needs to have these changes made to his appearance:
Skin 1, face 194,
colour 1 1
colour 2 black
Hair:
Curly 1
Shape 4
Front 3
Volume 2
(picture here:) http://www.psv.nl/show?id=747&dbid=479&typeofpage=891

Mark van Bommel needs to change te face-number, his actual face is in there!
Skin 1, face 183
And Goal Celebration: 10 and 11

Mateja Kezman (Chelsea) ALWAYS celebrates his goals the same way: 46.
(pointing to his back)


New player for PSV (youth):
Ibrahim Afellay
1.80 meter, 86 kg
Has only played 1 match this season yet, is very quick, never gives up, but other 'qualities' are unknown... He's a defending midfielder. His picture can be seen here: http://www.psv.nl/show?id=747&contentid=7912

Nathan Coe, 3rd goalkeeper
20 years of age, Australian,
1.91, 82 kg, very athletic.
Picture here: http://www.psv.nl/show?id=747&dbid=627&typeofpage=891

And Eric Addo is back with PSV from Roda JC.

And important: V.O.Hesselink is actually called Vennegoor. So please change that one...

Now for the tactics: PSV plays this season in 4-4-2. Mostly, this is the starting line-up:

Gomes - Lee (left) - Bouma (leftcentre) - Alex (rightcentre) - Ooijer (right) [midfield:] Van Bommel (motor of the team, CM and captain) Cocu (defending midfield), Park (right) Beasley (more attacking, left) [Attack:] Farfan (wing, right) Vennegoor [centre]

NB: Sibon is rated too high, I'm sorry. He is a player who plays brilliantly 2 times a year, and the rest of the season he sucks. Vennegoor is the target-man iin the front, and he should be rated a little bit higher. He's unbeateble in the air and rarely looses a ball when he has it (though moving with it can be a problem). He NEVER gives up.


Hope you can use some of the information Wolf, keep up the super work!

Greets,

Limburglos PSV!

Originally posted by kschoice
The text relative to this ability in PES is "Can guard the ball with tricky dribbling". Doesn't seem to me as a special ability for keepers.

Now, I'm getting sick of these comments about the converter. If you don't like it, either have a look at CM4 stats, and tell me what way I must convert them in order to make everyone of you happy with every single player of the game, or don't use it.


In reality a lot of the special abilities don't actually translate to anything in the game compared to the numbered stats anyway. You can highlight 'side' and center' for every player and it make ZERO playing difference. I tried playing against a friend earlier two games, one game with all the special abilities highlighted for all of my players and one with none of them highlighted. We used the same teams an I beat my friend 2-0 with everything highlighted and 3-1 without them highlighted. The only difference I noticed were longer throws!

The numbers are what's important and it doesn't seem that Konami really attribute the special attirbutes with any kind of logic. For instance, why would a player with mid-80's dribbling speed and accuracy have a dribbling ability and a player with the same stats in the mid-90's not????? Does that make any sense?

I'll repeat it again, if you don't want more realistic stats then keep to the old option file or another one out there. The whole point of this option file update was to make the game more realistic. I understand that making the game harder for the majority of people might not be popular but that's real life. Unless you're one of the big teams then life is hard! Depending on your playing ability, in all reality, there is little or no difference in how a player will perform once their stats get past 80 except for speed. The performance only noticeably drops when some of these stats drop into the 60's and 50's.

You can stick to the old option files where Konami artificially boosts the stats for 80% of the platers in the game by 20 points to enable any player in the game to be able to walk onto any other first team and do just as good a job or play with this new version when it's ready where it actually makes a difference if you put inferior players into a starting line-up. With the default database you could take out the whole of Man Utd's midfield and replace it with St-Etienne's midfield and hardly notice a difference. Do the same with the new stats and you'll notice a big difference in terms of not winning as many 50:50's, struggling to get successful distribution against better teams etc.

This thread was supposed to be for people to help with squad amendments, line-ups, appearances, etc but instead it's turned into a bitching session about probably the best external editing program we've ever had for the games and whether it's actually a better thing to make the players stats more realistic!

just discard the messages about the statsnagging, if people don't like the way you make your patch, let them make their own :crazyboy:

1 small update:Veron socks down around ankles,ill post a ireland update later

Originally posted by limburglos
Eej Wolf,

I hope I'm in time for some changes to some players.
I'll start with PSV Eindhoven.
John de Jong needs to have these changes made to his appearance:
Skin 1, face 194,
colour 1 1
colour 2 black
Hair:
Curly 1
Shape 4
Front 3
Volume 2
(picture here:) http://www.psv.nl/show?id=747&dbid=479&typeofpage=891

Mark van Bommel needs to change te face-number, his actual face is in there!
Skin 1, face 183
And Goal Celebration: 10 and 11

Mateja Kezman (Chelsea) ALWAYS celebrates his goals the same way: 46.
(pointing to his back)


New player for PSV (youth):
Ibrahim Afellay
1.80 meter, 86 kg
Has only played 1 match this season yet, is very quick, never gives up, but other 'qualities' are unknown... He's a defending midfielder. His picture can be seen here: http://www.psv.nl/show?id=747&contentid=7912

Nathan Coe, 3rd goalkeeper
20 years of age, Australian,
1.91, 82 kg, very athletic.
Picture here: http://www.psv.nl/show?id=747&dbid=627&typeofpage=891

And Eric Addo is back with PSV from Roda JC.

And important: V.O.Hesselink is actually called Vennegoor. So please change that one...

Now for the tactics: PSV plays this season in 4-4-2. Mostly, this is the starting line-up:

Gomes - Lee (left) - Bouma (leftcentre) - Alex (rightcentre) - Ooijer (right) [midfield:] Van Bommel (motor of the team, CM and captain) Cocu (defending midfield), Park (right) Beasley (more attacking, left) [Attack:] Farfan (wing, right) Vennegoor [centre]

NB: Sibon is rated too high, I'm sorry. He is a player who plays brilliantly 2 times a year, and the rest of the season he sucks. Vennegoor is the target-man iin the front, and he should be rated a little bit higher. He's unbeateble in the air and rarely looses a ball when he has it (though moving with it can be a problem). He NEVER gives up.


Hope you can use some of the information Wolf, keep up the super work!

Greets,

Limburglos PSV!


This is the sort of information that is useful. I've edited all of this for you.

Wolf, are things that are not commented not edited? Or just silently edited? :)

Originally posted by Dave_Hagenaars
Wolf, are things that are not commented not edited? Or just silently edited? :)

Like what bud?

I'm working on updating transfers and squads from all over other than what's posted on here.

Boukhari is missing could you pls put him in to the Ajax squad and Morocco squad.

MayB usefull info.

Player Name
Player name N. Boukhari
Commentary name Boukhari
Name on strip B O U K H A R I

Position
Wing Forward * O

Nationality
Nationality Morocco

Basic Settings
Age 24
Dominant Foot L
Constitution C
Free Kick Type A
Penalty Kick A
Goal Celebration 1 No
Goal Celebration 2 No

Appearance, Head
Face Preset
Skin Colour 2
Face 19
Colour 1 1
Colour 2 Brown 2
Hairstyle Type Straight 2
Hairstyle Shape 2
Hairstyle Front 1
Hairstyle Volume 2
Hairstyle Darkness -
Hair Colour Type 11
Facial Hair Type No
Facial Hair Colour -
Bandana Type 1
Bandana Colour 2
Sun Glasses Type No
Sun Glasses Colour -
Mask Type No
Mask Colour -
Cap Type -
Cap Colour -

Appearance, Physique
Height 184
Weight 78
Body Type 3
Head Height 0
Head Width 0
Neck Length 0
Shoulder Height 0
Shoulder Width 0
Chest Measurement 0
Waiste Circumference 0
Arm Circumference 0
Leg Circumference 0
Calve Circumference 0
Leg Length 0

Appearance, Strip Fit
Sleeves Seasonal
Socks 2

Appearance, Boots
Type 2
Base Colour 7
Line Colour 1 2
Line Colour 2 2
Tongue Colour -
Studs Colour 2

Appearance, Accessories
Wristband Right
Tape Yes
Gloves No

Ability
Attack 76
Defense 41
Balance 82
Stamina 81
Top Speed 77
Acceleration 77
Response 72
Agility 81
Dribble Accuracy 87
Dribble Speed 77
Short Pass Accuracy 79
Short Pass Speed 72
Long Pass Accuracy 82
Long Pass Speed 82
Shot Accuracy 75
Shot Power 73
Shot Technique 72
Free Kick Accuracy 73
Curling 74
Header 65
Jump 72
Technique 80
Aggression 65
Mentality 68
Consistency 6
Goal Keeping Skills 60
Team Work Ability 67
Condition/Fitness 6
Weaker Foot Accuracy 5
Weak Foot Frequency 5

wel i posted some info @ 11-01-2005 07:12:PM in this thread, and didn't get any comment like "done" or something, it's not that i want comment, just silently putting it in is fine by me, but as you commented most other stuff i wondered maybe it's not the information you want?
Just checking, because i would love to see a "perfect" optionfile :)

MayB better Babel Face ?

Appearance, Head

Face Preset
Skin Colour 4
Face 12
Colour 1 1
Colour 2 Black 1
Hairstyle Type Curly 2
Hairstyle Shape 1
Hairstyle Front 3
Hairstyle Volume 2
Hairstyle Darkness -
Hair Colour Type 8
Facial Hair Type 20

Ireland:4-4-2(as is in game)

gk:Given
rb:carr
lb:o'shea
rcb:o'brien
lcb:cunningham(capt)
lm:duff
rm:finnan/andy reid
rcm:keano
lcm:kilbane/holland
lcf:keane(positioned a bit back from the main striker)
rcf:morrison

pk:robbie keane
fk l +s:duff/andy reid/ rob.keane(mostly keane)
lck:finnan/reid
rck:duff

also replace kinsella,carsley,mcateer,healy,connoly with miller(man utd),stephen reid(blackburn),mcgeady(celtic)macken,hes irish now(man city) and willo flood(man city)

Appearances
Given:preds
colgan:preds

breen:Hairstyle(hs)very short 1,1.Hair Clour(hc)10
Facial Hair(fh)80,7
boots(bts):t90 grey/white

cunningham:tape,pumas black
HS:very short 1,1,6.HC:12
special abilities:d-line sliding

carr:acceleration93,speed 88,he really is very fast,roberto carlos and robert pires couldnt get by him in the games ireland played against brazil and france
HS:buzz cut,1,3,-,3.HC:8
FH:80,c:7
bts:gun metal preds

o'shea:always long sleeves,f50+
o'brien:left wrist band,tape,preds,always short sleeves

g.doherty:preds,tape,always short sleeves
dunne:tape,umbros

harte:f50 black/grey
finnan:tape,preds

holland:short sleeves always,tape,pumas black
hs:very short 2,1,7.hc:12
shot accuracy:85,power:88,shot technique:88(his shooting really is very good particurly technique he never blazes shots wide or over, always on target.

kilbane:always long sleeves
hs:straight 1,1,10,1.HC:11

healy:preds
andy reid:hs:straight 1,1,7,1.hc:9.always short sleeves
puma bts black

duff:bts:f50 black/grey,always short sleeves,anti-dribbling goalie ability?side ability?

robbie keane:hs:straight 1,1,7,1.hc:9.
always short sleeves,left wrist band,navy vapors(henrys 1s)

morrison:tape,always short sleeves,vapors

stephen reid:preds(gun metal),tape.
mcgeady:f50 black/grey,a wee bit smaller too

macken:always long sleeves,tapee,umbros
flood:very fast i played against him at dublin trials lol so i know
;) .preds,tape.
hs:very short 1,1,5.hc:12

ps:sry about those smilies they just happened somehow

Originally posted by TristanAbbott7

The numbers are what's important and it doesn't seem that Konami really attribute the special attirbutes with any kind of logic. For instance, why would a player with mid-80's dribbling speed and accuracy have a dribbling ability and a player with the same stats in the mid-90's not????? Does that make any sense?


I'm not sure, but I think that if a player has the dribble special ability, he will try to dribble more than players without the dribble ability when playing as a CPU.

Boutta, who should Boukhari replace on the national team?

Originally posted by boutta
MayB better Babel Face ?

Appearance, Head

Face Preset
Skin Colour 4
Face 12
Colour 1 1
Colour 2 Black 1
Hairstyle Type Curly 2
Hairstyle Shape 1
Hairstyle Front 3
Hairstyle Volume 2
Hairstyle Darkness -
Hair Colour Type 8
Facial Hair Type 20

oh, and he plays on Golden boots, dont know if there are any of those in your grafical package? If there are.. :)

Originally posted by s1260018
I'm not sure, but I think that if a player has the dribble special ability, he will try to dribble more than players without the dribble ability when playing as a CPU.

Certainly haven't noticed that. I've played against the CPU with almost all of those attributes checked for all players on the CPU team and it didn't stick out that the CPU was trying to dribble more at all. Like I said, I'm not sure if many of those attributes have any effect without the stats to support them. However good a player is a dribbling, once a human gets average at the game, he can normally dispossess them.

Check your PM's Wolf :)

have you fixed the premiership's number colours and lettering,also have you included my ireland update?;)

Originally posted by s1260018
I'm not sure, but I think that if a player has the dribble special ability, he will try to dribble more than players without the dribble ability when playing as a CPU.
for Bidoudane

hey Wolf, you know that mini-patch u talked about in the first page about being able to use edited stats in ML? Well will we be able to change some of the stats that we dont like and still be able to use them in ML? Or will they still be the edited FM2005 stats? Also, is this mini-patch already out?

Originally posted by TristanAbbott7
Certainly haven't noticed that. I've played against the CPU with almost all of those attributes checked for all players on the CPU team and it didn't stick out that the CPU was trying to dribble more at all. Like I said, I'm not sure if many of those attributes have any effect without the stats to support them. However good a player is a dribbling, once a human gets average at the game, he can normally dispossess them. Don't know, but I read somewhere in an explanation that when a player has the dribbling special ability, "he favours dribbling when in possession of the ball."

To use an example from real life: Cristiano Ronaldo is a player who has the dribbling special ability. Whenever he has the ball, there's probably a 80% chance he will try to dribble with it. On the other hand, a player like Zinedine Zidane, who could probably dribble ANY player easily, does not have the dribble special ability. That is because he prefers passing the ball direct to a player.

But it seems that you have spent much time "researching" this, so it's probably I who am wrong ;)

MayB Mutu will play at Juventus. Juventus has offered him a 5 years contract but its not for shure.

Originally posted by boutta
for Bidoudane
Sorry?

Originally posted by jimbo118
have you fixed the premiership's number colours and lettering,also have you included my ireland update?;)

I haven't changed the EPL numbers yet as I need the breakdown for each team then I'lll do it.

I just incorporated all your Ireland changes though. :)

Thanks for those.

Originally posted by Butters85
hey Wolf, you know that mini-patch u talked about in the first page about being able to use edited stats in ML? Well will we be able to change some of the stats that we dont like and still be able to use them in ML? Or will they still be the edited FM2005 stats? Also, is this mini-patch already out?

I'll give a read me in the release to explain how to change the stats you don't like so you can use them in the ML. For online, it's only going to work if you're opponent has the same stats.

ok if you want ill do a list of the number colours and whether the lettering is straight or curved tomorrow,off to bed now

ps.yes the dribbling ability is related to cpu players,when you play a game against the cpu a player on the cpu team with this ability will dribble more often

BETA 3 now available.

Originally posted by TristanAbbott7
Could somebody Spanish check thie official La Liga website:

http://www.lfp.es/competiciones/2003-04/segunda/main_1.htm

and tell me if the Liga 1 squads are accurate and up to date.

www.soccer-spain.com is a good site as well. It has the formations/line-ups for every match as well as updated squad lists including new players numbers.

Maybe some 'special skills' of players are incorrect. Such as CB has 'positioning' and 'reaction'. I see Aimar has no 'playmaking', but Ayala has.

Just played a game against Barcelona and I notice the lack of pressence by Ronaldinho... hardly any affect on the game. Looking at the formation, I believe he should be OMF instead of LMF, kinda like Zidane and be placed as close as possible to the attack border so he gets a bigger 'appearance' ingame just like in real life.

Ronaldinho plays a dual role of attacker and midfielder so he definitely should be OMF with attacking arrows rather than isolated LMF.

Just my 2c

some bugs:
Ortega of Argentina's face are Ariel Ortega ,but the stat are another Ortega's.
Ledesma of River Plate has the same stat as Ledesma of Lecce. Surely it's not the correct case.
Mauro Rosales and Maschenaro both are 5x of Stamina. They can't play even half time in red condition.

I'm afraid CM4's stat are not so compatible with that of PES4/we8. Maybe they are defined with different thinking.

Originally posted by pubb
I'm afraid CM4's stat are not so compatible with that of PES4/we8. Maybe they are defined with different thinking.

After a lot of games I like the slower pace of the game, especially that fact that teams have longer possesion stretches and the fact that a player will now dribble no more that 1-2 defenders.

But I have to admit there are 2 things that the CM4 database is incompatible with:

1.Stamina: In PES4 anything below 70 means that the player's stamina bar won't rouhly make it through the 70 min. It may be so in some cases in real life, but noticing 25-27 year old side backs not making it through a game is not right. I think maybe the converter should adjust by setting CM4 10= PES4 70 instead of 50.

2. First touch is iffy. I have no idea which stat controls that and it's not major, but often even very skilled players like Rivaldo or Ronaldinio seem to first touch the ball high and far away from them without pressure.

IMO everything else seems just fine,and though some players may not exactly seem like their real life counterparts, the teams in general do. Maybe if the FM2005 database is finally supported things will get even more accurate.Keep up the good work

PS. Wolf ty and gj on the Greek teams, but can you pls change Olympiacos' number style to 1 , cause it's on 3 now and it's fugly
:)

Originally posted by thenerdgod
Just played a game against Barcelona and I notice the lack of pressence by Ronaldinho... hardly any affect on the game. Looking at the formation, I believe he should be OMF instead of LMF, kinda like Zidane and be placed as close as possible to the attack border so he gets a bigger 'appearance' ingame just like in real life.

Ronaldinho plays a dual role of attacker and midfielder so he definitely should be OMF with attacking arrows rather than isolated LMF.

Just my 2c


Ok, just sorted that out. Moved Ronny more inside and attacking arrows down wing and towards the goal.

Originally posted by pubb
some bugs:
Ortega of Argentina's face are Ariel Ortega ,but the stat are another Ortega's.
Ledesma of River Plate has the same stat as Ledesma of Lecce. Surely it's not the correct case.
Mauro Rosales and Maschenaro both are 5x of Stamina. They can't play even half time in red condition.

I'm afraid CM4's stat are not so compatible with that of PES4/we8. Maybe they are defined with different thinking.

Fixed the first two, thanks for pointing them out. Regarding the third one, I will look into the whole stamina thing. To be honest I've never liked the stamina thing at all as 99% of professional players, unless they're injured, should have the stamina to last a full game. The only exception in the game is if you continue to use the same player over and over and over again for longs runs.

Given that professional players should rarely be substituted because they don't have stamina (except when regaining match fitness after injury) we should put all staminas up to 90 or 100 so the only time they get tired is if you use them over and over.

Originally posted by nik0s
After a lot of games I like the slower pace of the game, especially that fact that teams have longer possesion stretches and the fact that a player will now dribble no more that 1-2 defenders.

But I have to admit there are 2 things that the CM4 database is incompatible with:

1.Stamina: In PES4 anything below 70 means that the player's stamina bar won't rouhly make it through the 70 min. It may be so in some cases in real life, but noticing 25-27 year old side backs not making it through a game is not right. I think maybe the converter should adjust by setting CM4 10= PES4 70 instead of 50.

2. First touch is iffy. I have no idea which stat controls that and it's not major, but often even very skilled players like Rivaldo or Ronaldinio seem to first touch the ball high and far away from them without pressure.

IMO everything else seems just fine,and though some players may not exactly seem like their real life counterparts, the teams in general do. Maybe if the FM2005 database is finally supported things will get even more accurate.Keep up the good work

PS. Wolf ty and gj on the Greek teams, but can you pls change Olympiacos' number style to 1 , cause it's on 3 now and it's fugly
:)

Agree on the stamina thing, may look to change it.

Regarding the first touch, this has always happened in the game even with the default Konami stats and it seems to happen even on players who are pretty maxed out in the 90s.

Charisteas number is 9
Boukhari's number is 28

Van hooidonk face 36
Hair pulled back
:)

Originally posted by TristanAbbott7
Agree on the stamina thing, may look to change it.

Regarding the first touch, this has always happened in the game even with the default Konami stats and it seems to happen even on players who are pretty maxed out in the 90s.

As someone who watches my football in the Nationwide Conference I quite like this "loose" aspect of the game. It's fun seeing Henry's first touch being no better than Anthony Elding or Brian Quailey's :)

just noticed alot of keepers have position and reaction,these are outfiled player abilities particurly reaction

also alot of defenders have line positioning but once again this is a special ability for strikers being able to beat the offside trap etc,this should be fixed

freddie ljungberg is right-footed,van persie is left footed,how come things like this are changed?also lauren d line ability?

kenny cunningham has 9 special abilies including playmaker.

I found it strange that i read that the "special ability's" don't affect the gameplay.......and this just after TWO games ????
I think you can say that it won't affect the gameplay if you see the sourcecode of pes4.

After i played a couple of games with the version 2 of the new optionfile, i found also that the "First touch" was not good on a lot of players. And also that sometimes the players makes strange movements.

I hope that all the (positive) comments here will result in an almost perfect and realistic optionfile.
Keep on the good work Wolf !

Thanks for your effort Wolf ;)

I want to add a couple of things about Liverpool:

- Morientes to Liverpool, no doubt you'll put him on the next patch already tho.

- Smicer should be put back in the Liverpool squad. He's injured ATM but still in the club.

Wolf any chance you fix the Charlton positions, I posted them a few pages ago, they are the correct ones from FM 2005, and any that aren't in FM will be in any SI data updates/FM 2006 (This is a fact, not just saying that either)

Can you explain please why basically all outfield players have side or centre? Is there a reason for this?

Another thing Kiely should not have penalty scoring, the reason his attribute for penalties is high in FM is for saving them, not scoring.

Euell plays for Jamaica now, should also be in their squad.

Jerome Thomas is a lot worse since he doesn't have many stats in CM/FM. I can give ones which will be in FM 2006/any SI data updates Wolf if you want (yes they are official).

Kishishev and Holland should be CMF not DMF in the formation. All squad numbers and set piece takers are correct though :)

kschoice one small problem I noticed is pace and acceleration is related to ability, It shouldn't be (may be more like this but harder to tell). Henry shouldn't be one of the fastest player on the game, the players with 20 pace and acceleration should be (eg Rommedahl). All physical stats shouldn't use anything else apart from relavant stats to work them out, better players shouldn't be faster, the fastest players should be the fastest, like in CM/FM.

Also might be better if it takes height into consideration (from PES) so jumping is more realistic. Apart from that and a few strange special abilities the converter works very well.

Is there and FM stat converter yet or was this all done with a CM0304 update?

I was just checking out the new EditPES4Optionfile and I went through the "Players from Greece" List:

Borbokis, Nikoaidis and Kostis are retired, you can use the slots to create other players

Same goes for Tatsis, Gonias and Karameris who have transfered to smaller clubs that are not in the game and will never play for the national team (I wonder why Konami thought Gonias is black :o )

Also , and I apologise for that, Sapanis is still with Panathinaikos , his transfer broke down. He is No. 22

Finally, I noticed that there is something wrong with the Youth Players, either in the option file or the editor, as a lot of players that belong to teams or are older 20 than are listed. Examples are Damian (Barcelona age 46) and Markori Age 35. Maybe they were linked to CM4 automaticly by name. Maybe the "Exclude Youth" check box wasn't clicked or is not working...

Hello,

This is my first post. I'm from spain and i would like to help us to update spanish squads..

I download the OPtFile Beta but.. I see this..

Anderson aren't in Villarreal.. is in Qtar.
Morientes (R.Madrid)--> [Liverpool]

FCBarcelona starting squad, real numbers, and real t-shirt names, and // are the subs :

4-3-3-C

1. V. Valdés // 25. Jorquera
23. Oleguer // 19. F.Navarro
5. Puyol // 34. Rodri
2. Belleti // 32. Damià
12. Gio // 16. Sylvinho
4. Márquez // 15. Edmilson [+] // 3. Motta [+]
6. Xavi // 14. Gerard
20. Deco // 18. Gabri [+]
8. Giuly // 24. A. Iniesta
10. Ronaldinho // 30. Messi
9. Eto'o // 7. Larsson [+]

[+] Injured

dinho would you know the spanish league players boots?like what the players in all the clubs wear or possibly a link to a spanish site that does?

Morientes (R.Madrid)--> [Liverpool]

at the end of the season right ??

and Mutu will he be at Juventus at the end of the season or right now ? becaude he has offered a 5 years contract from Juventus.

Vixente Lizarazu (Olympique Marseille) -----> Bayern Munich.

Why are most people only looking if the correct players are in an team, and not looking how the new stats for the players are in the gameplay ?????

Did we now have a better, more realistic, gameplay with this new optionfile than.

It looks that everything is going slower, maybe more realistic, but also shooting looks like it's with less power.

Originally posted by Prutser
Why are most people only looking if the correct players are in an team, and not looking how the new stats for the players are in the gameplay ?????

Did we now have a better, more realistic, gameplay with this new optionfile than.

It looks that everything is going slower, maybe more realistic, but also shooting looks like it's with less power.
Slower whit not good players like Charisteas and Henry see the difference damn BIG just like in REAL LIFE. I like the stats of the players because they are revealing the difference between a good and a bad club.

Slower whit not good players like Charisteas and Henry see the difference damn BIG

what?could you re-phrase that?i dont understand

Nordin Wooter (or Voter) from Anorthosis (Cyprus) to Panathinaikos
Shirt number 50

www.pao.gr/media/2004-2005/PLAYERS/300_VOTER.jpg


Panathinaikos released GK Kostas Chalkias and Joel Epallé

Must you take out your old folder1 ? or can you overwrite?

I just pulled the old folder 1 out of the save folder and put it somewhere else, so I could use it again if needed, and then dropped the new beta one into the save file.

And I also noticed the stamina issue while playing. It sometimes seems like half the team is running on empty come the end of the match.

Sorry man, I probably didn't make myself clear. The 'two' games was related to two specific attributes I was testing at the time. The other attributes I've been turning off and on for players over the course of about 30 or more games to see what affects what in the game if anything. Things I've noticed are that unless control related stats are all in the 90's, all players seem to have this pathetic first touch at times. I think that's just built in just like the catch up thing with defenders of 60 speed catching up with Henry.

The stat numbers definitely seem to have an effect once you shifted them by about 15-20 but the attributes I've started going through 1 by 1 turning them all on for one team and all off for another and then reversing it playing 2 10 minute games. I managed to get through 5 new attributes today and I've got a couple of buddies testing some of the others. The penalty save attribute was bizarre as I did 9 or 10 penalty shootouts with the shooters having penalty scoring all on and then all off but the results for the human and CPU seemed to be the same either way (i.e. like the attributes made no difference) and the same went for the goalkeeper having PK saving ability.

I really just think that a lot of these attributes are very minor in their effect compared to the stats and their effect. Like with the dribble. CPU players don't seem to try to dribble more with it on than off that I've experienced. What matters is whether the stats give that player more potential to be successful at dribbling.

Maybe this is all part of Konami's equalization factor (e.g. slow players catching up with fast players, etc.) that ultimately, unless there's a wide difference in stats between players, in any given game there's no guarantee a player will shoot on target or miss, a player will pass more accurately or screw up. It seems that Konami may add 5 invisible stats points on for an attribute or maybe even 10 but in reality, that's not a big enough addition to really change the gameplay noticeably for a player. The high rated players can't go any higher than 99 for an attribute anyway.

So, I wouldn't worry too much if we can't get these mystery attributes allocated exactly. For the most part they seem allocated correctly but there are bizarre pop-ups like some goalkeepers having penalty scoring ability. In reality though, how much is that gonna change the gameplay???

The side, position attributes I tried to concentrate on individual players to see what these attributes changed. Really couldn't see any difference at all.

The important thing is the stat numbers that have been changed. It's these which will make the gameplay more realistic in taking away Konamis "boosted" stats for 80% of players in the game which is the most unrealistic thing possible as I've discussed before. It might result in you being able to win the Premiership quite easily with Norwich City on level 5 when you get half decent at the game but it's just not realistic. There's no reason why Van Nistelrooy, Henry or Ronaldo should be able to be completely contained by 99% of the defenders/midfield players in the game with no special consideration to their excellent abilities. If I play against Ronaldo or Henry, I should have to make some kind of tactical allowance to cope with him, not be able to treat him with the same disregard as AZ or St-Etiennes offensive units.



Originally posted by Prutser
I found it strange that i read that the "special ability's" don't affect the gameplay.......and this just after TWO games ????
I think you can say that it won't affect the gameplay if you see the sourcecode of pes4.

After i played a couple of games with the version 2 of the new optionfile, i found also that the "First touch" was not good on a lot of players. And also that sometimes the players makes strange movements.

I hope that all the (positive) comments here will result in an almost perfect and realistic optionfile.
Keep on the good work Wolf !

Wolf: do you know if player ML progression is random, based on age or based on player slot#?

Reason I ask is that I notice underrated players e.g. Ronaldinho's dribbling stats aren't up there with others e.g. Henry/Ronaldo but if progression is based on age then I can understand as he would be up there when he's older.

The Wolf could you post 2 Option file version ??

I would like an Option File with all bonus blocked.

yeah wolf is there any way of blocking classic players in the ml as i find it unrealistic

"The high rated players can't go any higher than 99 for an attribute anyway."

"I think that's just built in just like the catch up thing with defenders of 60 speed catching up with Henry."

What if the full range of pace and acceleration is used, eg the slowest players 10-20, fastest in the 90's, would that possibly fix the problem at all?

Originally posted by scoham
"The high rated players can't go any higher than 99 for an attribute anyway."

"I think that's just built in just like the catch up thing with defenders of 60 speed catching up with Henry."

What if the full range of pace and acceleration is used, eg the slowest players 10-20, fastest in the 90's, would that possibly fix the problem at all?

I tried to use the full range of values for speed and acceleration but even that didn't seem enough to counter the catch-up engine, at least in 5 stars.

when january is over the "retail" patch will be released ?

I love the Wolf Beta3 patch :)

Really nice work. Any idea when Tevez will be added? :)

Tevez already in the game, he plays in Boca Juniors

Wolf..

Here you can find Spanish transfers up_to_date:

Altas y Bajas (http://marca.es/futbol/altasbajas04/primera_invierno.html)

and here the correct t-shirt names for spanish players:

t-Shirt (http://www.lfp.es/)


greetings

tshirtnames? :crazyboy:

Originally posted by Everlast
Tevez already in the game, he plays in Boca Juniors

Woot! My bad, I just looked in the Argentina squad and didn't see him there. Maybe he's too young for the squad, I dunno :)

what happens with my ML team, if I will use this optionfile...will I still have my players in ML like before ?

Originally posted by thenerdgod
Wolf: do you know if player ML progression is random, based on age or based on player slot#?

Reason I ask is that I notice underrated players e.g. Ronaldinho's dribbling stats aren't up there with others e.g. Henry/Ronaldo but if progression is based on age then I can understand as he would be up there when he's older.


It's mostly based upon age so the young players have a longer period to develop, it seems that 26/27 is the cut off point in ML. Players also have a development liit too. For instance, if you play Rooney in every game from game 1 of ML he'll continue to develop until about game 2 or 3 in the 2nd season but then he'll stop. By then though he's stats are close to Henrys!!! Some players have very little growth potential and hardly develop at all.

Originally posted by RicFlair
Must you take out your old folder1 ? or can you overwrite?

It's probably better to take out your old folder and just save it somewhere safe in case you don't like the new option file. You can overwrite but then there's no going back.

Originally posted by emilin
what happens with my ML team, if I will use this optionfile...will I still have my players in ML like before ?


plz tell me

yes i believe didn't affect mine

ok thx, would like to here it from Wolf also though

It will depends on how far you are into the ML season/campaign. Because by the end of the first season the teams are unrealistic anyway, any transfers I've made i nthe main game are irrelevant to ML.

Originally posted by TristanAbbott7
It will depends on how far you are into the ML season/campaign. Because by the end of the first season the teams are unrealistic anyway, any transfers I've made i nthe main game are irrelevant to ML.

what do you mean unrealistic ?

Well, because the squads at the end of the first season and the weeks before the start of the 2nd season has so much movement that hardly any of the squads resemble what they would genuinely be in real life. So, if the option file is up to date in terms of transfers, it's irrelevant if you're already into a ML game because the players are all over the place with the transfers the computer has done itself.

Masters League has gone further into unrealism this year despite being able to choose the teams you want. Growth players who can turn into the best player in the game, no options to turn transfers off, players aging too quickly and losing stat points by their 28th/29th birthday, etc.

I can't bring myself to even play ML at the moment, too unreal.

Hey Tristan,
don't forget to check out regularly the French league infos at the first page of this thread. I will updating it on a regular basis 'till the transfer window closes ;)

PS: EDIT I meant the other thread there about the window transfer

http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116793

Originally posted by Jomi
Hey Tristan,
don't forget to check out regularly the French league infos at the first page of this thread. I will updating it on a regular basis 'till the transfer window closes ;)

Thanks man, will do. I appreciate it.

Ok, YOUTH PLAYERS - freaking hate them!!!

Bit pissed at the unrealistic youth players who let's face it, aren't real and add too much fantasy to the game. I'm going to replace them with real players so that at least ML will be more like the real thing. If they are genuine youth/reserve players then at least when you add them to your team it's more realistic than before.

wolf mate - could you correct the foot preference for quite a few players, i've seen a few, most notably Ljungburg, Ewerthon. Great patch by the way, looks promising

Originally posted by pog88
wolf mate - could you correct the foot preference for quite a few players, i've seen a few, most notably Ljungburg, Ewerthon. Great patch by the way, looks promising


Sure, some of them have reversed in the database translation process. If you could list all the ones you're aware of, I'll change them before the final release.

Ikedia from RBC Rosendaal to AZ Alkmaar

Hey Wolf, I've done some updating regarding the faces of PSV Eindhoven players. I hope you can incorporate them in your patch :):

Name, Skin Colour, Face, Hairstyle Type, HS Shape, HS Front, Hair Colour
Zoetebier, 1, 81, Very Short 2, 3, 6, 12
Alex, 3, 12, Buzz Cut, 1, 1 (Darkness 3), 9
Lee, 2, 28, Very Short 1, 1, 2, 9
Bogelund (not Boegelund :)), 1, 16, Bald, 1
Lucius, 1, 8, Straight 1, 2, 12 (Volume 1), 17
De Jong, 1, 49, Curly 1, 3, 1 (Volume 1), 9
Park 2, 25, Straight 2, 1, 5 (Volume 1), 9
Vennegoor, 1, 140, Very Short 2, 2, 3, 10

The usual formation for PSV is 4-3-3 with 2 players at the front and one player at the back of the midfield.

GK: Gomes
DR: Ooijer
DC: Alex
DC: Bouma
DL: Lee
DMF: Cocu
(R)CMF: Van Bommel
(L)CMF: Vogel
(R)WF: Park
(L)WF: Farfan
CF: Vennegoor
Van Bommel is always the captain.

I hope this information can help you in some way :). Thanks for all the work you've done already!

wolf could you include a txt.file with your option file listing the players you created using existing players just so we know where to find them for future reference like for changing appearance etc

ex:michael carrick(tottenham)-insert player you used to create him over and team to find him in edit mode

ps,you were mentioning that you are gona replace youth players with real players,are these just the randomly generated youth players in the ml?i didnt now pes4 had randomly generated youth players,i know pes3 did but didnt know pes4 had

I'm hoping that you wont take away real promising youth players, like Izmailov, glen-johnson, lahm, nilmar and the list goes way further

because those players develope ALOT in real life to

I know this is a stupid question, but how do I activate this option file? I'm copying "folder 1" into my saves folder, and I still get Rooney on Everton, wrong players on Germany, etc.

Am I supposed to delete something, or am I putting "folder 1" in the wrong place?

thanks

Originally posted by rdaumeyer
I know this is a stupid question, but how do I activate this option file? I'm copying "folder 1" into my saves folder, and I still get Rooney on Everton, wrong players on Germany, etc.

Am I supposed to delete something, or am I putting "folder 1" in the wrong place?

thanks

what u see in EDIT PLAYER is not what the option file works on
u should look them up in EDIT TEAM/ EDIT BACK NUMBER and those are who you'll see in match mode

the ones in EDIT PLAYER are related to para_we8.bin
not the option file

Originally posted by boutta
Ikedia from RBC Rosendaal to AZ Alkmaar

Not until next season.

Originally posted by DenniZ
Not until next season.

oke sry :o

I'm still seeing things like the wrong Oliver Kahn face ... am I supposed to just drop the "folder 1" into the "save" folder and hit "replace"?

... or maybe Wolf didn't change Kahn's face. I never thought of that ...

For all of you guys ( & girls ) :p , looking to update your game with good player's appearances made with the "in game " editor ,here is a good adress to go

At PESFan.com, this guy ,delpiero, has made 100's of them

http://www.pesfan.com/bulletin/showthread.php?t=52559

To Robbydee : Face #31, color 1 for Kahn ;)

cheers jomi;)

Kluivert Hairstyle

Specail Hairstyles #2

Facial Hair #46
Color same as hair

EditPES4OptionFile v0.95 is available and is the first version to support FM databases.

This version also lets you visualise the original stats from the database so you can compare with the conversion's result.

good news :D here to download

http://perso.numericable.fr/~ryannick/

ks choice does the editor allow you default the players to the original players stats?

That's awesome, but if you could inlcude the original stats from the game too and the ability to change to either FM or PES stats that would be even awesome...er,or something :D

Another great feature would be the ability to import formations/rosters or player stats/appearnces from another option file. That way we can send player/roster/formation stuff to wolf with a single option file...

kschoice, I found a bug :)

I was trying to go through the teams and match all the player with the FM database, and I noticed that a few players get different stats everytime I click on import stats. Here's one of them so you can test:

Joni Saarinen (21/12/1985, Finland, FC International)

I noticed his stats on CM are a lot of 0s ... Also Forsell (Finland, Chelsea) has marking =0 on CM so his Defence on PES is also random.

(Finland is as as I've gone so far :) )

It would be real helpful if the first player on the list of uknown players is the one that's on the same team on FM2005 as on PES4. And also , it would be great if we could see the player's main position on the drop down list

Keep up the good work

i agree with nikos on the point about having an option to revert back to original stats

Originally posted by jimbo118
i agree with nikos on the point about having an option to revert back to original stats

paulie, I already told you you don't have to tell your point twice in an attempt to make it seem stronger.

I have no plans on doing that, cause I don't know where I would take the original stats, as I don't want to include the original option file in my program.

Originally posted by nik0s
kschoice, I found a bug :)

I was trying to go through the teams and match all the player with the FM database, and I noticed that a few players get different stats everytime I click on import stats. Here's one of them so you can test:

Joni Saarinen (21/12/1985, Finland, FC International)

I noticed his stats on CM are a lot of 0s ... Also Forsell (Finland, Chelsea) has marking =0 on CM so his Defence on PES is also random.

(Finland is as as I've gone so far :) )

It would be real helpful if the first player on the list of uknown players is the one that's on the same team on FM2005 as on PES4. And also , it would be great if we could see the player's main position on the drop down list

Keep up the good work

That is due to the fact that 0s are randomly replaced by average marks on conversion, as they seem to be there for stats the creators had no info on. It wasn't noticeable on former versions cause the conversion was a one-time process on creation of the cache.
Now that I display the CM stats in the editor, the conversion is only made when you click on Import stats, thus those randomly generated may change each time you click.

I'd be glad not to use random values, but would you rather have poor stats when players have lots of 0s ?

I cannot load the fm stats....when loading it says no cm4 database...

1st time was a QUESTION,not a point,nm anyway;)

Wolf,
FYI
If your interested there is an up-to-date
FM database as of Jan. 10th. Its made by
cmsorted, I have used their database in the past while playing CM/FM and overall I have been pleased with their work.

Sorry here's the link
http://www.cmsorted.net/

Originally posted by Salmon
Wolf,
FYI
If your interested there is an up-to-date
FM database as of Jan. 10th. Its made by
cmsorted, I have used their database in the past while playing CM/FM and overall I have been pleased with their work.

Thnaks man, I was going to be using that until Yannick (Kschoice) made the program compatable with FM2005 so I'm now using that.

Originally posted by roofio86
I cannot load the fm stats....when loading it says no cm4 database...

How did you proceed ? Which database did you use ?

Wolf: any updated betas for us to beta test?

kschoice: you are the programming God of the PES community and a true living legend... i worship you.

Originally posted by kschoice
How did you proceed ? Which database did you use ?

Well I downloaded the FMsorted update and extracted the people_db.dat and server_db.dat to the EditPES folder but on loading it says CM4 cm data found....but so i cannot convert and stats

how can i get it to load the fm database which i extracted??

FM sorted did work for me.
Try putting the PESOption Program in its own subdirectory and extract FMsorted in to that directory.
Let us know what happens.

This is my current EditPES folder....is this correct??

Originally posted by roofio86
This is my current EditPES folder....is this correct??

There should be 7 files of FM data.

yeh but u just need those 2 dont you?

Originally posted by roofio86
yeh but u just need those 2 dont you?

Yes, but they are not the same size as the ones I just downloaded from fmsorted.

Hi Wolf ! Can you or someone send me a colour palette from your boots, please(what was included in your last pack). Because I have terrible colours with my boot-pack, but boots are very good. So help me please :) My e-mail is zscars@tvnet.lv Thanks.

John.

Hi, this is my first post, i'm brazilian.
I think wolf's work is great, in brazilian foruns everyone likes them, great patches...
But I think he shouldn't use this CM Database, simply because it wasn't meant for being used in PES series.
In CM for exemple, a 80 value is really good, but in PES is a normal value, and there are a lot of players who are don't deserve normal values. Beckhams free kick for exemple, Wolf argued that wich 80s you should score what Beckham scores, but the truth is that beckham don't have 97 free kick accuracy because of the rating of scores/tries, he has this score because most of his free kicks goes on target, including on the head of the scorer from free kicks and corners. Score from a free kick is really hard, it is meant to be this way, even the top free kick scorer rarely scores more then 5-6 on a season. This is an exemple I used to ilustrate my way of thinking, in CM 80 is good, but in PES wich 80 you can't score like Beckham, perfect Free Kicks (even if the goalkeeper gets it). Also, Van Nistelrooy has 66 Shot Power. This is really unfair, it tries to be a way of saying Van Nistelrooy don't shoot is powerful as Adriano, he doesn't, but he shots really well, and who plays soccer knows that shotting with great strengh is more a matter of how you kick than how strong you kick. Sorry about the big post, but I don't think the CM database should be used, only for players who don't exist in the game...
It may be fair in most cases, but it is fair in a way PES don't accept, a guy who free kicks well but never scores in PES deserves 76-80 in CM he has 50, and for PES that's terrible, some for shot power, 66 in PES is horrible, in CM it may be fine because most players in CM have around this, but in PES most players have 70+, it's the normal in the game engine.
sorry for the long post and for my bad english.
see ya

Canhoteiro, there is absolutely no problem in using CM data. Its just a question of using them correctly, and thats up to the CM to PES converter, and actually I think that EditPes4 is doing an absolute fantastic job in doing so. And with the FM support we have now, we'll get accurate stats.
All thanks to Yannick.

Cheers Yannick!!
BTW now you have come so far with your editor, how about being able to change salery and transfer sum from FM?

Shot power isn't in CM/FM, so Im not sure what stats are used for it? Obviously means it won't be completely realistic for stats that aren't in FM.

Originally posted by scoham
Shot power isn't in CM/FM, so Im not sure what stats are used for it? Obviously means it won't be completely realistic for stats that aren't in FM.

Still there is a Long Shots ability in CM/FM.

I don't think the stats are accurate at all...see this Van Nistelrooy Shot Power I said...he has 66 shot power. This is absurd...he is one of the top scorer in the world, he know how to kick a ball hard, just watch some manchester games...
I don't think the CM stats where meant to be used in PES, as I said 80 free kick accuracy may be good in CM, but it isen't in PES, almost nobody in the world hits the ball like Beckham, 97 is a fair stats, it doesn't meant he hits the target 97 porcent of times, it's just the measure the games uses. The question is not that the CM stats are wrong and Konami is right, is how they reflect in the game. You put CM stats in PES, and the stats will not reflect in PES as they reflect in CM, simple as that.

Originally posted by Canhoteiro
The question is not that the CM stats are wrong and Konami is right, is how they reflect in the game. You put CM stats in PES, and the stats will not reflect in PES as they reflect in CM, simple as that.
(Y) (Y) (Y)

PLEASE Wolf rethink convertiing all stats in your new opt file. Or at least make two versions.

Its not that all stats in PES4 are ideal though ;) Some changes are welcomed -> For ex Tristan is way to bad :kader:

To make two versions would take forever especially as it would mean reverse engeneering the current version to get a seperate version without updated stats.

In regards to things like shot power, you consider 66 to be poor but you don't understand the scale it uses. 66 is still hard. The difference between 66 and 99 in the game is barely noticeable especially when you take into account technique and accuracy. It's not done on the same scale as something like acceleration where a 66 to a 99 is the difference between night and day. The same applies to jump ability, a 99 doesn't mean the player will jump to the sky anymore than a 66 for jumping would mean the player doesn't get off the ground. To put it into real life context, it literally translates to about 2 inches difference maximum every 10 points because even falsely giving a player 0 jumping height still doesn't take away all of their jump. The difference between 0 and 99 in jumping in real life is about 20 inches at the very most. Take into account good timing and the height of the player and even that becomes almost irrelevant much of the time.

Shoot as hard as you can with Van Nistelrooy and you'll see the ball still travels hard. The fact his accuracy is very high too makes the ball go on target at a good speed. Take into account you never really want to with 95% or more of the players approach anywhere near full power for shooting when shooting and you'll see that it's actually very realistic. Van Nistelrooy is not as good at shooting from long distance as Rooney who takes many great shots from long distance. But, you try and tell the difference in the game shooting hard from just inside the penalty area with Rooney and Van Nistelrooy and there's little difference if any that you can notice.

Some of you are freaking out over the stats conversion when you don't really understand the scale within the game that is used and how it differs from attribute to attribute. Morientes is another player in the game with what appears to be low shot power but I played a friendly game earlier yesterday to mirror the real life game Man Utd played against Liverpool (something sad I always do!!!) and Morientes scored a screamer against me from just outside of the area. If anything, it's sometimes easier to score a medium distance goal (15-25 yards out) with a 60-75 strength shooter because you don't have to worry about stopping the shot power bar before it gets barely past half way. From within 15 yards, Van Nistelrooy is as deadly as he is in real life with these stats.

There will NOT be two versions. When you've played the final release for a few games you'll see what I'm talking about and all these apparently worrying stats will actually turn out to be ok and realistic. Then you'll see what I mean by scale.

To leave you with a final example, in real life scale, how big do you think the speed difference between professional players playing short (5-15 yards) passes is. Do you think a professional player can hit the ball so much harder than another professional player over 15 yards that you could actually tell the difference with the naked eye? There's probably not a pro. player in the world who can't hit the ball over 15 yards so hard that you'd need slow motion photography to tell the difference. Some may hit passes slower out of choice but certainly not out of ability which is what the stats in the game represent. So, in the game, as an experiment, make a player's short pass speed 50 and then make it 99. In the training ground see how much difference you can tell between them! It's all about a scale which is very small for some of these atrributes. Worry NOT!!!

Wolf, when can we expect the final version> and how much difference is it to the one you've just released with the fix?

I think what most people are worried about is the fact that some players arent given as much credit that they are due. For example, many including myself feel that Beckham is the best in the world at free kicks and long pass accuracy and probably curving as well, and yet his rating is lower than a lot of players. Zidane is given a FK accuracy of 96, but I dont think he's better at free kicks then Beckham. If he was, then Zidane would be taking free kicks for Real Madrid, not Beckham. Beckham also has near perfect long pass accuracy in real life, but his stats are not very high in the game. I know hes not as good as he used to be, but in those two areas, hes still the best. Also, we all know Steven Gerrard is really good at passing, short and long, and his shot power is high as well, but his stats are relatively low compared to other good players. It just seems that some stats are a little off.

Originally posted by RicFlair
Wolf, when can we expect the final version> and how much difference is it to the one you've just released with the fix?

I'll release another BETA when I've updated all the stats to FM ones rather than the CM ones which were used in the first BETAs. (People who were concerned about players like Lampard's and Ronaldinho's stats in CM won't be worried when they see their stats in FM!)

When the new BETA comes out in the middle of the week, people need to go to the training ground section and play for 10-15 minutes with the old option file (before the CM stats) and with the new BETA and see how much difference there is. You'll find that there's no difference that ins't realistic and no difference that even remotely spoils any part of the game.

The final version should be out after the transfer window ends. I'll release an initial final BETA at the end of January for error/squad corrections and then the final version at the end of the first week of Feb.

I agree wich what you say Wolf, but as the game may became more realistic, it will certainly become more boring...
The game engine doesn't consider the same facts that happen in real life, facts that made for exemple a team lose 5x0 against barcelona then win 5x0 against milan.
These things aren't supose to be like real life, it's impossible.
It's about what you can do wich the players potencial...
I love you patchs, but I can't use this CM database, is just to wrong...Tevez has 90+ in a lot of things, against Internacional of Porto Alegre he did terrible, not as close as in the olympics.
It's impossible to simulate football PERFECTLY in a game, because it's just to umpredictable. I think PES stats don't try to be perfect, some great players like Nedved or Totti have lots of yellow stats and a few orange stats, and they work just as good in the game as ronaldinho gaúcho. Kaká works great in the game, even only having 2 90s and a lot of 80s. The players are good in the game, the way the engine use their stats...is just too hard to explain in words, I hope you get it...
If you have put in your head that you will use CM database, no one can do anything, but I really think you shouldn't, I think stats based PES is not perfect, but it works great as it is...

by the way, if you need anything to help wich the patchs, some brazilian transfers information, and classic players (i'm and expert about old football) just send me an email

Originally posted by Butters85
I think what most people are worried about is the fact that some players arent given as much credit that they are due. For example, many including myself feel that Beckham is the best in the world at free kicks and long pass accuracy and probably curving as well, and yet his rating is lower than a lot of players. Zidane is given a FK accuracy of 96, but I dont think he's better at free kicks then Beckham. If he was, then Zidane would be taking free kicks for Real Madrid, not Beckham. Beckham also has near perfect long pass accuracy in real life, but his stats are not very high in the game. I know hes not as good as he used to be, but in those two areas, hes still the best. Also, we all know Steven Gerrard is really good at passing, short and long, and his shot power is high as well, but his stats are relatively low compared to other good players. It just seems that some stats are a little off.


Although I see your point, there is a lot of personal opinion thrown in there. Beckham is a great free-kick taker but his ratio of kicks to goals is not that high and I think that's what the stats take into account. A lot of people have actually said that overall Beckham's stats may be too high. As for Gerrard, the majority of his FM stats are in the upper 80's and 90's which is high enough given he still has a lot of development potential in his game. Putting him much higher stat wise would give him no room for improvement and stating that he's reached his best which is almost definitely not true in real life.

The FM stats are the best around by a long way. They are only given on a scale of 1-20 so each point is worth 5 in PES terms. However, there is still the fact that all of these stats are on a pretty tight scale rather than 0 being a non-existant ability and 99 meaning total perfection. Taking into account that something as basic as shooting will also be affected by technique, shot technique, balance, curving and maybe others other than just shot accuracy and shot power, a single stat doesn't really mean that is the absolute guide to performance in that area. Also there is a degree of randomness built in which means that players won't always perform something the same way under identical conditions. How many shots have people missed playing as Henry or Van Nistelrooy when they really should have scored?

The whole point of this option file as I've said before is to replicate realism as much as is possible. The Sports Interactive series of games have been well known for years to provide the best overall database available. I've played a lot of games with these BETA's and the FM stats will improve even further upon the CM ones. I played a number of games earlier today and it just feels overall a lot more down to earth. People were complaining that PES4 had almost gotten too arcadey or like pinball or even resorting to the feel of the FIFA games but this FM stats overall changes the feel of the game very positively. The stamina issue has been resolved in terms of players having low stats. The positions are realistic in terms of players have their main position and alternate positions they have played in real life or have the stats to perform in that position comfortably.

Anyway, when people have had a chance to play the next BETA and get used to it, they'll prefer it I'm sure.

I'd like to point that The Wolf is not putting a gun to your head and asking you to play with his option file.
A lot of you seem to forget that people who spend time in PES patching do it for a better personal experience of the game, and are kind enough to make the results of their work available to those who may be interested.

If you're happy with the way PES 4 plays with original stats, The Wolf's option file ISN'T for you guys. It's tough, but true. Don't try to convince him Konami stats are wonderful, I don't think he'd spend this much time to modify them if he thought they made it for him.

Rather than moaning about getting two files from him, you should realize the time he already spends in this, and if you really want a file with the original stats, you should dedicate to do it yourself.

I provide you with a Windows editor for the game, of which, as you may not know, you can run two instances simultaneously. If you really want an option file with the original stats that bad, you can probably replicate the changes made in The Wolf's one in very less time it took him to make his.

hi Wolf,
i love your patch but i have one remark, i've noticed that some players have the wrong foot for ex: Cordoba from Inter is lefty but in reality he is right one.

i've noticed also Lijungberg,Maoulida etc...

but i'm probably wrong:rolleyes: ...and thks for all the job you do for us

wolf will the spanish,italian,german french etc club teams numbers be up to date for final release as there are alot of 99's in the betas

also again is there any chance you could provide a list of your created players and where to find them

and are you using yannick's tool for transfers as i believe they show up in edit mode in their new team when transfered

also i read somewhere that if you wanted the stats as default you can make a param_dat.bin,how do you make 1 though?

Wolf, how can we get back the original colour off the goal nets?
I don't like this, for example: http://img58.exs.cx/img58/1609/barca9mn.jpg

Any chance for the updated option file for the WE8 for PS2?

Originally posted by jimbo118
wolf will the spanish,italian,german french etc club teams numbers be up to date for final release as there are alot of 99's in the betas

also again is there any chance you could provide a list of your created players and where to find them

and are you using yannick's tool for transfers as i believe they show up in edit mode in their new team when transfered

also i read somewhere that if you wanted the stats as default you can make a param_dat.bin,how do you make 1 though?


Please go back and read the very first posting in the thread.

This whole thread was supposed to be for amendments, updates etc. not questions, complaints that stats of favourite players aren't exactly how every individual personally wants them and not to ask for further time-burning requests which will add further hours ontop what is already a big task anyway.

If you want correct numbers for the 99's in the squads, how about you help out and find out what they should be and post them here? I'll try to find as many as possible but you really need to go and find what a BETA is supposed to be i.e. NOT A FINAL RELEASE! Some of the players hadn't even been allocated numbers when the last option file was made!

So, for the last time to answer any questions on this thread at all:

1 - Maybe, it depends on whether people help with the squad number information because even the official websites of many clubs seem out of date and don't even mention transfers their club has made in the last week.
2 - No. I'm not going to create extra work by listing every movement, transfer, release, player creation etc. I make in the option file because there are hundreds and I don't have the time.
3 - If you'd read any previous posting you'd know the answer to this.
4 - Already been answered.

So, please, please, please keep this thread for useful information. Telling me a player has the wrong foot in theg ame is perfectly fine as it's helpful for editing, telling me a player has the wrong haircut is even fine as long as you give the numbers it should be.

Useful information for editing only from this point forward please otherwise I'm not goijng to bother answering.

Originally posted by WeVi
Any chance for the updated option file for the WE8 for PS2?

Yeah man, I'll convert it into as many different formats as I can, i.e. PS2 PES4, PS2 WE8 & X-Box PES4.

Wolf why dont you release an updated beta so we dont list mistakes that have already been corrected? Optimally a beta every 3 days would be good for feedback:)

relax man,no for question 2 i dont mean every player in the game just the created 1s,i have read every post in this thread too and i know its a beta as i stated that in the question

ah yes i see you updated pg 1 sorry,i usually just check the newest posts like usual

1 - Maybe, it depends on whether people help with the squad number information because even the official websites of many clubs seem out of date and don't even mention transfers their club has made in the last week.


would you like me to post some up to date squad numbers on here??

hey wolf i found a option file that claims to have all club squads numbers up to date,i checked it and while some new transfers numbers are wrong most seem fine,if you want i'll mail to you and you could incorporate it

Originally posted by Goodison
1 - Maybe, it depends on whether people help with the squad number information because even the official websites of many clubs seem out of date and don't even mention transfers their club has made in the last week.


would you like me to post some up to date squad numbers on here??

Definitely.

Originally posted by jimbo118
hey wolf i found a option file that claims to have all club squads numbers up to date,i checked it and while some new transfers numbers are wrong most seem fine,if you want i'll mail to you and you could incorporate it

I think if we wait until I release the enxt BETA (Wednesday/Thursday this week) and then people can help with the squad numbers from there as I may have found most by then. Really, there will still be many more moves in the last two weeks of the transfer window so squad numbers will still need tweaking until the beginning of February.

What I really need is some feedback on the national teams. What players to replace with other players in the game to get the lineups up to date and also updated national squad numbers.

Everton

1. Richard Wright
2. Steve Watson
3. Alessandro Pistone
4. Alan Stubbs
5. David Weir
6.
7. Marcus Bent
8. James Beattie
9.
10. Duncan Ferguson
11. James McFadden
12. Lie Tie
13.
14. Kevin Kilbane
15. Gary Naysmith
16.
17. Tim Cahill
18.
19. Nick Chadwick
20. Joseph Yobo
21.
22.
23. Eddie Bosnar
24.
25.
26. Lee Carsley
27.
28.
29.
30.
31.
32. Daniel Fox
33. Anthony Gerrard
34.
35.
36.
37. Iain Turner

found a good link for current formations

http://www.evo-web.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=14411&page=2&pp=30

there is also a transfer thread in this sites general soccer discussion

http://www.lfp.es/

great for all La liga numbers and names on shirts.

Wolf could you make a option file to play online whit it because when i use the beta option file and i create the par_we8 and play whit juventus online i see a different team whit different team players. So can you make a para_we8 from the new option file to play online whit good players transfers etc.

:mrpimp:

Originally posted by boutta
Wolf could you make a option file to play online whit it because when i use the beta option file and i create the par_we8 and play whit juventus online i see a different team whit different team players. So can you make a para_we8 from the new option file to play online whit good players transfers etc.

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The final version will be online compatable. The BETA versions are just for amendments and for people to provide updated info.

Originally posted by TristanAbbott7
I think if we wait until I release the enxt BETA (Wednesday/Thursday this week) and then people can help with the squad numbers from there as I may have found most by then. Really, there will still be many more moves in the last two weeks of the transfer window so squad numbers will still need tweaking until the beginning of February.

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I think letting the jersey numbers as 99, 98 etc... is a good idea
So everyone can see who the new players in team are. And it will be always time to fix them early February

Originally posted by TristanAbbott7
The final version will be online compatable. The BETA versions are just for amendments and for people to provide updated info.

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This is a message from "Fighters77", he cannot connect to the forum and I write what he's saying to me:

Please can somebody get in file this missing players in italian serie a and others cause in the wolf they're missing???

Here some players created in italianserie a by me::

Babu'
Mauri
Rocchi
Talamonti
Lequi
Esteban Gonzalez
Di Natale
Belleri
Cribari
Guardalben
Raimondi
Cordova
Budel
Fabio Simplicio
Contini
Cucciari
Amoruso
Bernardo
D'Alterio
Milanetto
Nygaard
Dallamano
Gobbi
Sinigaglia
Di Pasquale
Migliaccio
Cozza
Gustavo
Soviero
and other ones.....

Another msg from fighters77:

Can u get Adrian Mutu to AC Livorno 'til may?
The news is here:
http://sports.virgilio.it/it/cmc/calcio/20053/cmc_77170.html

the 5 years contract from Juventus is broken down ??

I'm actually creating a lot of missing players from the game at the moment. I've decided that the youth unreal players are a bit of a joke so I'm replacing them with genuine youth players from the leagues to up the realism further.

I'll try and add all the extra squad players I can for teams as much as the number of slots allow.

Östlund (swedish player) from Hammarby to Feyenoord

Kevin Hofs from Vitesse to Feyenoord

dutch source (http://www.vi.nl/vi/show/id=62802/contentid=66192/sc=57c381)

Nicola Legrottaglie

from to Juventus to Bologna.

I really think the Bulgarian squad is all messed up... I mean, How the hell can the overall defence be better than the attack when the only quality players we have are in the front part of the field? Is it possible that you do something to either make the attack better or make the defenders worse? It just doesn't make sense... and Bojinov sucks totally....

didnt know pes4 had youth unreal players,where do you find them in game,hadnt noticed them in ml

Originally posted by jimbo118
didnt know pes4 had youth unreal players,where do you find them in game,hadnt noticed them in ml

All those 16 and 17 year old players aren't real. They have a lot of common names but basically they're generic nobodies. Using the external editor you can list them all.

Suggestion: why not delete all players from popular clubs that are under 18 and recreate them as youth player slots?

what you mean players like svard,simek etc at arsenal arent real?they are arent they,where do these randomly generated youth payers show up in ml?i can never find em or do they just randomly generate in clubs

yeah i see now.i checked the free players in the editpes4option file program and noticed them,loads of 16 and 17 year olds,yeah by all means replace them with real players but i disagree with the nerdgod about replacing actual real life youngsters like fabregas etc

I am having PES 4 delivered hopefully this week. Is FM/CM needed in order to get this option file to work with PES 4?

The reason I ask is that I tried to load Wolf's option file for WE 7 but was never able to get it to load in the game? Do I need some other program in order to use this option file?

Thanks

No you don't need FM.