What do you think.
He reached 10 goals in his 5. match in Galatasaray.And he've just started learn the style of his team friends.
Brazilia can't score goals lately.
Yeah,don't you think like me.

if I am not mistaken, he does play for his national team, and you are saying that he deserves to play there, like he doesn't.

i agree. he's probably one of the best strikers, but he doesn't get recognition just because he played in the portuguese league and only brazilians playing in italy, spain, england, or brazil get selected http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/wink.gif

yeah ok, he gets selected once in a while, but not as regularly as he should. not like how much roberto carlos gets selected, you know what i mean. same thing with elber. he should play more. and maybe sonny anderson too.

Your totally right. Luxembergo is totally Europeanized though. He cant figure it out that Players like R Carlos Rivaldo etc are very tired after their club + national matches.

Jardel should be starting every match with Ronaldinho. Romario is great but he is 35!!! We have serious problems if we need a soccer senior citizen to save our asses again.

Hagi10 ,I agree Jardel is great ,but didnt you all say the same thing about Hakan Sukur and so far he looks crap .

Europeanized?

Don't be such an arrogant bastard. Brazilians aren't the be all and end all of football. Those "Europeanized" Frenchmen won the ******* World Cup and EURO 2000.

Hey jerk I didnt mean to offend anyone. All im saying is that the coach is trying to make the players play totally the opposite of the way they played their whole life.

If a team like Italy that has perfected defense since the 30's decided to go all out and attack and started losing games 4 - 3 I would understand someone saying that the Italian coach was trying too hard to copy South American style of football.

Geez you dig too deep in anything anyone says. There have even been articles where the Football Federation has asked Luxembergo to stop wearing his Designer Suits to home games because it makes him look like he thinks he is better than his own country people. And in the history of Brasil he is the only guy that has played with one striker. So dont act like this is my opinion many many have already said it.

Paulo Rossi any player will be bad on a team like inter if they aren't given the chance to get settled on the team, and if they aren't being used the way they are best.
Hakan is a superb player if he is used right way and if the players on his team knows him!

Sorry. Maybe I overreacted.

I just don't like the idea of you portraying an image of "superior" Brazilian football. Thats bull****. Those Nike commercials about "Samba" football are so untrue.

Brazilians are just like the rest of us.

I dont think nike is emphazing that. It was jounalists from around the world that started calling brasil the Beautiful team after the 1970 win. And now the expectations are high for total attacking soccer. And when a guy like Luxembergo says that he wants to base his team on total football with all players able to play every where, I know it wont work. The Brasilians learned from a young age that technical ability is more important than versitility. And by trying to change players like Jardel, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo etc is a mistake.

I hope he smartens up too and realizes that it is WRONG to play with one striker. HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO SCORE in a 3 6 1??? We dont need to recall romario if you played a simple 4 4 2 with wingers and wing backs.

Just because he scores tons in the weak Porteguese league and then in the even weaker Turkish league doesn't mean he should suddenly partner the great R9 or Romario upfront for the selecao. IDIOT!!

Hey dummy ever hear of Champions league?? Teams like Juventus Real Madrid Bayern Munich. Jardel has scored against ALL of them. He just scored in the supercup 2. So shut the hell up!

Suddenly name-calling becomes involved and the discussion changes from whether Jardel deserves to be on the Brazailian national team to which one of these two can argue who made the dumber comment.

Come on, fellas, there's no need to call others names on here. I found that out myself, and it's a much better idea to apologise than to continue it.

-dsh

umm, Portuguese league isn't better than Turkish (look in the tankings).


Jardel did not play great in Brazil squad (he wasn't impressing: was not aggressive, did not "fight" for the ball, did not score enough), so that Luxemburgo even wanted to invite a Brazilian striker from Spartak Moscow in place of him.

He played much better in European matches rather than in intl, as i observed

no need to pay attention to daniel, just ignore him.

he always talks like that, the ass.

How did Galatasaray bought Jardel from Porto?
As i know Jardel had a very long range contract with Porto(something like 6 or 7 years) because the team didn't want to lose the best europeen striker who score ~30 goal every season.
SO HOW THE HELL GALATASARAY GET HIM???
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According to his contract A team who pays 16.000.000$ to Porto would be able buy Jardel.
And he will take 12.000.000$ for four years.

Personally I think it was the dumbest thing I have ever seen for Jardel to go to Turkey. It's simply not a good enough league. I heard he scored 7 goals in 1 game. Gala is good,but Turkey is not. He might score alot of goals,but against who?? Imagine if Shevshanko were to go,he would score alot to, but is it good to play against weak teams?

Chris Jardel didn't score 7 goals in one game, he scored 5. And it was against one of the worst teams in turkey.
You shouldn't write about something you know nothing about!

Btw Jardel once scored 7 goals in one match while he played for Porto!

chris16, please close your mouth on topics you have no clue on. thanks.

That is why Turkish league is 7th in the world -- 3 good teams (Gala, Fenebahce, Besiktas) and the rest of league is below a certain level. But Besiktas had 30 million dollars on transfers last season, Gala had almost the same, and these teams, in money, are not different from Manu, or Liverpool. Well, maybe they got money by selling a few players to Western European clubs, but anyways, that is a huge step for a league that was ranked 18th last season, being below Switzerland and Ukraine.

You must be an idiod
do you really think the jardel who is not faster than a cow with a broken leg can play in brazil replacing rivaldo or maybe just ronaldinho

you will se the difference between Nouma and Jardel in Champions League

We will be waiting for you in 2nd stage but i dont thimk you could be there

Oh yeah ! DAMN with the galatasaray

yo, please clarify who are you speaking to

I think Jardel's record at Porto and his start at Galatasaray are impressive. His goals are not in the Serie A, or the Premier League, but so what!!! Both Portugal and Turkey have credible and competitive leagues, although not on a level with Italy or England. In my opinion, Jardel deserves a good look on the national team. I'm not real sure how much he has actually palyed, but Brasil owes it to itself to see if he is the real thing... and they wont know that without a few games in a legitimate Brasilian formation.

Daniel:

Dude, Romario was '90-'94 R9 was '97 -'98. It's now 2000! That was then....this is now!

Chris 16:

Don't listen to these guys...you have a right to post on whatever you want (even if you do not know what your'e talking about ... I do it all the time http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif )

And... for once, I agree with a_shearer...when all is said and done, Brasilians are just like everybody else.

res ipsa loquitor.

Ok guys.Jardel is a good player.So what.There are many players from Brazil that play better than him and they don't play at their national team.For example:Giovvani.He plays at Olympiakos-Greece.Although he is not
a striker he played that role extremely well.I want to inform you that this guy is perfection itself.He scored many times and when he played in his position he was great,too.So I think that Giovvani deserves to play for Brazil,too.

russian rocket, there are actually four big teams in turkey. they're known as the big four, not 3. trabzonspor is the other team. and it's not just them that's good. there're other good teams as well, but the problem is that whenever they have a good player he's snatched up by a big club. i guess it's the same in other leagues. i mean, in italy, there's roma, fiorentina, lazio, inter, milan, and juventus. in england there's manu, chelsea, arsenal, and liverpool. in spain there's barca and madrid. you know what i'm saying, every league has their elite teams. but the other teams in turkey could compete with other teams in other leagues that aren't considered elite just as well as anyone.

but anyway, hey you, besiktas guy, why are you trying to cause a conflict here? maybe you should try siding with the other people who support the turkish league instead of going against them because in the world, there're not many. i don't like besiktas or fenerbahce or trabzonspor when it comes to the turkish league but i always want them to do well in europe. you should ashamed of your attitude, after all, if galatasaray does well, it also helps besiktas and turkish football in general. and don't go around boasting about nouma, i agree he's good, but let results speak for themselves. if other people talk about him, then ok, but right now we're talking about jardel.

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yeah, but Trabzonspor is not famous in Europe, like Fenebahce, Besiktas and Gala are.

In Russia there is Spartak and Loko, but these teams do not pick players from lower russian clubs much, so it looks balanced in Russia. Anzhi, Torpedo, Dinamo and CSKA are below the level of Loko and Spartak (or Gala, Fenebahce, Besiktas), but higher on the level than other Turkish teams (maybe even better than Trabzonspor).

Gala is the team that highered Turkish League rankings (of course -- UEFA Cup and Super Cup), and Turkey's nat. performance lately made European grand clubs to buy Turkish players from Turkey for big big big money.

Russia's got financial crisis for the past decade and that is why nobody was ever bought for the price higher than 1 million dollars.

Jardel may only have played in Turkey and Porto....BUT he has played in Champions league against the very best of players. He has scored against some of the best clubs in the world and is truly going to make himself a world class striker.

I cant believe big clubs like Madrid, Juventus etc that have trouble scoring goals havent went after him. He sure as hell finds the back of the net easier than guys like Anelka, Del Piero, Sukur.

Junhinio ,Juventus did buy a striker and its David Trezeguet .I dont see why they would buy Jardel .In my mind Trezeguet is more superior to Jardel and he proved it in Euro2000 and in yesterdays game when they beat Milan .Infact ,Trezeguet score in 8 consecutive games whether it was with France or Juventus .

"chris16, please close your mouth on topics you have no clue on. thanks"

HMMMMM....GSHANKAN...

SOUNDS ALOT LIKE YOUR VIEWS ON AUSTRALIA!!!

haha u make me laugh!

What has he proven. Jardel has led FC Porto to Champions league now they are out. He is the reason they did so well. He scores every where and Juventus will still win all their games 1 - 0 on Del Piero penalties. Unless they get a pure goal man like Jardel or Batistuta Inzaghi, Del Piero will do nothing.

and you want to know why i don't know anything about the australian league or anything australian? cuz i know they suck, and i only follow leagues that are worthy of following.

hey, i don't suppose you know much about the thai league, or the ecuadorean league, eh? well, guess what? neither do i!!

Junhinio,I just said Juve had signed Trezeguet ,so why should they get Jardel .Secondly ,Agnelli said that if he doesnt perform ,expect him to be gone .The critics are so severe on him that on Rai ,a guy predicted that del piero would be gone in less than 6 months .If Del Piero heard that ,he better perform or he will be out of work .

Jardel is a great player and I agree that he should be a starter at Brazil, but all of you are forgetting or don't know something important. Jardel has stated that he doesn't want to play for Selecao as long as Luxemburgo is their coach. So the only solution for Brazil's attack is Giovanni who kicks ass with Olympiakos and has scored 10 goals in the last 5 matches. Ze Elias and Luciano should also be in Luxemburgo's list for the national team. I think that Luxemburgo is dumb because he only calls the very famous players who play in europe like Rivaldo, Cafu, etc. or young players that play in Brazil and they may develop to great players in the future.

Shankan ure truly are a loser...

you want to know why the australian sucks??
because all our best players go overseas and be recognised!!

and like i said before...if you dont know anything about Australia how can you say we suck??

Man I told u u Turks are one sided. When someone stats there opionion u freak out...WHY?

I have followed the Turkish League,I only consider Gala and besiktas as good.The Turkish League as a whole isn't good.

Thats my opionion,SO F*CK OFF!!!!!

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ZHTO ELLAS!!! Olympiakos Forever!!!

Chris you say that turks are one sided...what about yourself. You say that the turkish league sucks and that the greek league is the best. Actually you only talk about the greek league.
I haven't said that the greek league is bad because I don't know the it very well, and since you don't know the Turkish league very well either, you shouldn't write about that.
Chris you say that the greek league is so good, but when did your teams actually win something in Europe?

chris16, i'll not be tempted to respond to your immature message in the same level as you. i'm more mature than that. all i have to say is let the results speak for themselves. i'll not take any more of your greek jealousy. if people choose to talk about the turkish league instead of the greek league, it must mean something. so don't boast about greek teams when nobody is talking about them.

kewell, i say the same thing to you. let the results speak for themselves. you think that even if your best players stayed in australia it would be good. well i'm sorry, but i won't consider them good until i see them in the world cup and actually do something.

that's all i gotta say. btw, losers are kool. winners suck.

Manny.I have to remind you that Panathinaikos
in 1996 played in semi-finals against Ajax.
And they managed to beat them in Holland 0-1.
On the other hand,Olympiakos played in quarter final in 1998.And If Juve didn't score a few minutes before the game ends they could easily reach semi-finals.So.I don't think that nobody is talking about greek teams.This one goes to GSHAKAN.

Oh Shankan u really do make me laugh..

you are the one who pays out Australian soccer and even our heritage (saying all Australian soccer players arent even australian) and when i explain to you why you are wrong you say
"whatever we all have our opinions"

You keep going on about Australia not making the World Cup..well how much did we miss out by??????
We were 2-0 up against Iran and then they came back to draw 2-2 and went through on away goals...i accept this defeat by im saying that we are getting closer all the time!

Ok question for you
WHAT DID TURKEY DO IN THE WORLD CUP!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Uhmm... guys I think you should stop that dumb conflict about who's league is better. I mean, Greece and Turkey are trying to be friends now so don't initiate such stupid fights. As for Manny well maybe greek teams haven't won anything in Europe but most times they have mre decent perfomances that turkish teams.

Louis Figo your right lets not argue anymore, we will never agree on the subject anyway.
The best luck to the turkish and the greek teams in this years champions league!

Kewell, SHankan just stated his opinion -- Australia does not have a good national team. With that he meant only that Turkish team is better. For Australia it is 100 times easier to qualify to the World Cup than for any European Country. All you have to do is to beat the crap out of teams like Solomons Islands, ot Kiribati, or Vanuatu, and to win to New Zealnd. That is easy. Playing some Asian country in the knock-out stage is tougher, and Australi usually has the same chances to qualify as that left-over Asian or South American team (last time it was Iran, in 94 they were unlucky -- Argentina).

For Turkey it is much much harder to qualify to the world cup. The same for teams like Russia, Greece, and others that weren't there. The fact that Australia barely missed the World Cup does not say anything -- the same did Russia with Turkey. But, as I believe, Russia or Turkey or any other team WOULD qualify to te World Cup 98 if there would be teams like New Zealand, Vanuatu on the way, instead of Israel or Bulgaria, and Iran in the final, insteadof Italy (that's how Russia disqualified from the World Cup).

i'm glad i make you laugh kewell. the reason i said whatever is because i didn't want to argue with you anymore about a topic you're completely biased and blinded by. anyway, russian rocket said it, you play teams like new zealand and fiji, ooooooooohhhh!!!! if you can step over here in europe and prove something then i'll give you some respect, but as of now, i'm sorry. and as for that races thing on the national team, i'm afraid you misunderstood me. i think most countries in the world have mixed races. but i know for a fact that the majority of the australian population is descended from western europeans. yet you have a team that's almost completely made up of eastern european descendants. and i just want to say that i don't want to debate that anymore.

chris16, i don't who you are, but we had this thing before, if you're not aware. i argued a lot with greekfanatik and kostas and then after a long time, we just kind of made up and now we're friends. but then you come along and rag off on turkish teams, so that's why this started again. i just want to say that there was no need for you to do it, and hopefully you've learned your lesson, and not start a fight everytime turkish football is discussed, by that i mean, not coming and saying that greek football is so much better, etc., if you think so, fine, but you don't need to bring it up. and anyway, who said i freak out? do my messages sound like i'm angry? well, i'm sorry you're so damn sensitive, but i'm responding in a normal tone like everyone else.

trickster, that was some years ago. when i said that, i meant right now at the moment. what i mean is like i said, if on the forum people are talking about turkish football, there is no need to bring up greek football just because you want to establish your position or whatever you want to do.

I never wanted to argue in the first place. I just stated my opinion,it's not my fault u couldn't take it. And then whats with this whole exageration thing u got going on. Someone says that there League is good and all of a sudden your saying that they said it's the best in the world! Just relax,don't freak out so much...

Chris16 sorry if I overreacted!
BTW There is a Danish player, Rene Henriksen who plays in Greece. In which club does he play and is he any good?