Chelsea Football Club

Full name: Chelsea Football Club
Nickname: The Blues
Founded: 1905
Ground: Stamford Bridge, London
Capacity: 42,449
Chairman: Bruce Buck
Manager: José Mourinho

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Chelsea Football Club (also known as the Blues, previously known as the Pensioners), founded in 1905, is a Premier League football team that plays at Stamford Bridge football ground in South west London. Notwithstanding the club's name, it is not actually based in the borough of Chelsea, but just outside its boundaries, in the borough of Hammersmith and Fulham. It is on the Fulham Road, which runs between Fulham and the borough district of Chelsea. Chelsea currently have the seventh longest unbroken tenure in the top division, having been there since the 1989-90 season.

History

Chelsea's history is inextricably linked to Stamford Bridge - the club's stadium since its inception - and its history, therefore, begins with the building of the stadium although this was before the foundation of the Club.

Stamford Bridge officially opened on 28 April 1877. For the first 28 years of its existence it was used almost exclusively by the London Athletic Club as an arena for athletics meetings and not for football at all. In 1904 the ownership of the ground changed hands when H A (Gus) Mears and his brother, J T Mears, obtained the deeds, having previously acquired additional land (formerly a large market garden) with the aim of establishing a football team there on the now 12.5 acre (51,000 m²) site. The Mears family remained the owners of the ground (and subsequently the Club) until the 1970s.

Stamford Bridge was designed by Archibald Leitch and initially included a 120 yard long stand on the East side which could hold 5000 spectators. The other sides were all open in a vast bowl with thousands of tons of material excavated from the building of the underground railway providing high terracing on the West side.

The stadium was initially offered to Fulham Football Club, but the offer was turned down. As a consequence, the owners decided to form Chelsea Football Club to occupy the new grounds. Most football clubs were founded first, and then sought grounds in which to play. By contrast and a historical quirk, Chelsea was founded for Stamford Bridge - a readymade club for the ground. Although technically in Fulham, the founders decided to adopt the name of the adjacent borough of Chelsea for the new club as there was already a Fulham Football Club in existence.

Chelsea F.C. was founded on March 14, 1905 at The Rising Sun pub (now The Greene Room) opposite today's main entrance to the ground on the Fulham Road. This was followed by the club's election into the Second Division at the Football League AGM on May 29, 1905. Chelsea's first match took place away at Stockport County on September 1, 1905. The Club began with established players recruited from other teams and promotion to the top flight was swift, but the club's early years were uneventful. Chelsea reached the FA Cup final in 1915, but no major honours were won until the 1954-55 season when Chelsea finished top of the First Division and lifted its first trophy - the league title.

The swinging 60's ushered in an era that saw football and inimitable style merge in the heart of London; with the fashionable King's Road at the heart of the swagger. A 60's Chelsea that oozed charisma and class soon built up a major following, but ultimately failed to match its swagger with on-field triumphs. No major domestic titles were won, except for the League Cup in 1965 (Chelsea's first League Cup), followed by an FA cup final loss in 1967.

The early 1970s saw a great Chelsea team which is still fondly remembered (not least because it was a couple of decades before its achievements were matched at the club): it featured the likes of Ron 'Chopper' Harris, Ian Hutchison and Peter Osgood. In 1970 Chelsea ran out F.A. Cup winners (beating 'dirty' Leeds 2-1 in a pulsating final). A UEFA Cup Winners' Cup triumph was added to the haul the following year - Chelsea's first non-domestic honour.

But there was no further success in that decade as the discipline of the team degenerated and an over-ambitious redevelopment of the stadium (which only got as far as the pioneering East Stand, which retains its place even in the modern stadium) threatened the financial stability of the club as well. Further problems were caused by a fearsome reputation for violence amongst a section of the supporters (the boundary between passion and hooliganism being dangerously narrow in those days) and the club started to fall apart both on and off the field.

The financial problems exacerbated the club's other difficulties and a spiral of decline began. Star players were sold off, the team was relegated, and the freehold of the stadium site was sold off to property developers, which was to create serious problems in the years to come.

As always, however, Chelsea retained its high profile; and its widespread base of supporters, many of them very hard core, saw it through what proved to be the very difficult years of the 1970's and 1980's. However, although relegated to the Second Division twice, it never fell further (although it came dangerously close).

Chelsea was, at the nadir of its fortunes, acquired from the Mears family interests by new Ken Bates for the princely sum of £1, and Bates proved to be a real fighter as the new Chairman, although his opponents included supporters (who did not take kindly to his suggestion of electrified fences to keep them off the pitch) as well as the property developers who now owned the freehold. In 1992, Bates finally outmanoevred the latter and reunited the freehold with the Club, by seeing the property developers go bust and doing a deal with their banks.

In the meantime, Chelsea had achieved promotion to the First Division again as Second Division champions in 1989 and, this time, it managed to stay in the top flight: indeed, it has remained there ever since.

In 1989-90, Chelsea finished fourth in the First Division under Bobby Campbell but were denied a place in the UEFA Cup because only the runners-up (Aston Villa) qualified for the competition. Campbell quit as manager the following season to be replaced by Reading manager Ian Porterfield, a former Chelsea player. In the inaugural 1992-1993 season of the Premier League Chelsea finished 11th, but not before seeing Porterfield resign and replaced (in a stop-gap capacity till the end of the season) by another former Chelsea player - David Webb, who had been part of the legendary 1970 FA Cup winning side. He made way for 35-year-old player-manager Glenn Hoddle at the end of the season.

Although Hoddle himself had no Chelsea pedigree at all - having spent his best playing years at rival London club Tottenham Hotspur - his appointment proved to be a turning point. Hoddle recruited world class players, albeit at the end of their careers, such as Ruud Gullit, and a vision of continental flair (Hoddle himself had played for AS Monaco) was introduced to the club. Upgrading of the stadium facilities also began again, now that the ownership question had been resolved, and a large contribution from millionnaire supporter Matthew Harding (later killed in a helicopter accident whilst travelling to an away game) made it possible to construct the present Matthew Harding Stand (the North Stand).

Hoddle's first season saw the club's league position drop 3 places to 14th - but this was made up for by the club reaching in 1994 its first FA Cup final since 1970. The final was lost 4-0 to Manchester United in a game marred by the award of two penalties against Chelsea.

But since Manchester United had won the Premiership, the runners up spot nevertheless qualified Chelsea for the 1994-95 Cup Winners' Cup competition. This was its first participation in non-domestic competition since its former glory days in the early 1970's and marked another step forward for the club. Chelsea reached the semi-finals in the 1994-1995 Cup Winners' Cup competition (losing by a single goal). The same season saw a respectable if unexciting mid-table Premiership finish at 11th place.

The 1995-96 season saw Chelsea finishing 11th in the Premiership - its third 11th place finish in four seasons. Hoddle left at the end of the season to manage the England national team. He was replaced as player-manager by the 33-year-old Ruud Gullit, the celebrated Dutch exponent of 'total football' who had joined the club a year earlier on a free transfer from Sampdoria.

Under Gullit, Chelsea started winning major honours again. He made history in 1996-97 by being the first foreign manager to win the FA Cup when his Chelsea side beat Middlesbrough 2-0 in the Final. That game set the record for the fastest goal scored in an F.A. Cup ever - with Chelsea's Roberto di Matteo scoring 43 seconds into the game. This was Chelsea's first major trophy for 25 years. Chelsea also achieved its best-yet finish in the Premiership, in sixth place.

In February 1998, Gullit was suddenly sacked as manager following a dispute with the board of directors. Another of Chelsea's star foreign players, the veteran Italian striker Gianluca Vialli took over as player-manager and quickly established himself by winning two major competitions - the domestic League Cup and the European Cup Winners Cup, both in 1998. By now, Chelsea had one of the largest contingents of foreign players in the Premiership, and had the dubious distinction of being the first team to field a non-English starting 11. Out went the likes of Gareth Hall, Mark Stein, Paul Furlong, David Rocastle and John Spencer. In came Dutch goalkeeper Ed de Goey, Nigerian defender Celestine Babayaro, Italian striker Gianfranco Zola (in 2003, voted as the best player in club history by the fans) and French midfielder Bernard Lambourde. But important English players remaining in the side included defender Graeme Le Saux and midfielder and Captain Dennis Wise.

Under Vialli, Chelsea continued to win trophies faster than at any time in its previous history. Chelsea lifted the European Super Cup at the start of 1998-99 season when it beat the reigning European Cup champions Real Madrid. Vialli subsequently led Chelsea to victory in the FA Cup in 2000 (the last showpiece final to be held at Wembley before its redevelopment). Chelsea also won the Charity Shield in August 2000. But despite these trophies, Vialli was sacked in September 2000. He had, it was reported, lost the confidence of his players.

Another Italian, Claudio Ranieri, replaced him as manager and set about rebuilding what was now an ageing side. Ranieri was Chelsea manager for four years, and bought players wisely without having unlimited funds at his disposal. His team, whilst it disappointingly won no honours, routinely pushed for a top 3 finish in the league and qualified, through its league positions, for UEFA Cup competition in the 2000-01 and 2001-02 seasons. In 2002 Chelsea reached the final of the FA Cup, but were beaten finalists at Cardiff's Millennium Stadium. Ranieri qualified for the 2003-04 Champions League competition in his penultimate season - a competition that saw the high of an emotional Chelsea victory over their London rivals Arsenal, followed by the low of ignominous defeat in the semi-final by 10-man Monaco. In the Premiership, Chelsea finished an extraordinary 2003-4 season as Premier League runners up - their highest league placing for half a century - once again qualifying them for the Champions League.

By now, the Club's extravagant spending on players and on buildings had caused it to accumulate huge debts of some £80 million which had brought it to the brink of insolvency. But in July 2003, Chelsea was suddenly acquired from Ken Bates by Roman Abramovich, a previously unknown Russian billionaire who was far and away the richest person ever to acquire a British football club. British tabloids immediately dubbed the club Chelski.

At a stroke, Abramovich used his fortune to wipe out the club's substantial debt, and then proceeded to fund the acquisition of new players on an unprecedented scale. New signings for the start of the 2003/04 season included the Irish left winger Damien Duff, Cameroon international right-sided midfielder Njitap Geremi, French midfielder Claude Makelele who joined from Real Madrid, Argentinian striker Hernán Crespo, English youngsters Wayne Bridge, Glen Johnson and Joe Cole and the Argentinian midfielder Juan Sebastián Verón. During the Christmas transfer period English midfielder Scott Parker joined after having impressed with his performances for Charlton Athletic.

Despite his side finishing runners-up in Premier League during the 2003-2004 season, and reaching the semi finals of the Champions League, manager Claudio Ranieri was sacked at the end of his fourth season at the Club, and first season under Abramovich's ownership, on 31 May 2004. It was clear that Abramovich wanted more than runners up status for his new club - and it seemed that he had the money to get what he wanted. Ranieri was well-liked inside and outside the Club, but he had won nothing, worked only with the first team, and did not share the holistic vision the board had for a manager in his capacity.

Ranieri's replacement is one of the most successful young managers of recent times - José Mourinho. Having won successive Portuguese league titles, the UEFA Cup, and the Champions League on the trot with an unfancied FC Porto, he was appointed Chelsea manager on 2 June 2004.

Mourinho's signings of Didier Drogba, Mateja Kezman, Paulo Ferreira, Ricardo Carvalho, and Tiago, coupled with the already-agreed deals for Arjen Robben and Petr Cech, pushed Abramovich's total spending on players above £200 million.

In the 2004-05 season, Chelsea went on to win the 2005 League (Carling) Cup, beating Liverpool 3-2 in the final, and the English Premier League breaking many records on the way such as post points (95), least goals conceeded, most away wins in a row, most wins, just to name a few.

Can the Blues do better in 05/06?

Nothing stopping them.

Honours
FA Premier League
Winners: 2004-05
Runners-Up: 2003-04
Division 1
Winners: 1954-55
Division 2
Winners: 1983-84, 1988-89
Runners-Up: 1906-07, 1911-12, 1929-30, 1962-63, 1976-77
FA Cup
Winners: 1970, 1997, 2000
Runners-Up: 1915, 1967, 1994, 2002
League Cup
Winners: 1965, 1998, 2005
Runners-Up: 1972
FA Charity Shield/Community Shield
Winners: 1956, 2000
Runners-Up: 1971, 1997
Full Members' Cup
Winners: 1986, 1990
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup
Winners: 1970-71, 1997-98
UEFA Super Cup
Winners: 1998
FA Youth Cup
Winners: 1960, 1961
Runners-Up: 1958

Squad List
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Post transfer rumours, results, etc here.

Alot better than the previous Chelsea thread, good job Rob. (Y)

Exactly the same post, read it.

That's because when Chelski won the FAPL, you changed the Title and the contents on the first post.

Check the date I changed the contests of the first post, it was ages ago.

Nice job Rob (Y)
Hopefully Chelsea will rule the EPL next season too ;)

Chelsea... history... what!?

Kidding mate :P

Looks like u cockney geeza's wont be getting Gerrard then. I doubt he will join even if Abramovich offered him 200,000 squid a wik.

His new deal at pool will put him on 100,000 a week compared to 120,000 Chelsea were offering. He's a club man and clearly he is not about money, rather football. Its rare to see.

Wish Dennis Wise was still at the peak of his powers. He would be the perfect "3rd midfielder" alongside Lampard and Makelele.

Looks like u cockney geeza's wont be getting Gerrard then. I doubt he will join even if Abramovich offered him 200,000 squid a wik.

His new deal at pool will put him on 100,000 a week compared to 120,000 Chelsea were offering. He's a club man and clearly he is not about money, rather football. Its rare to see.

so he's not a man about money, but he wnts 100k a week... riiiight

yeah right, didnt that pool fan Haukur or something get pissed because Gerrard was already packing his bags to Chelsea last year? he said he'll never forgive him, etc. dont really know the whole story though, but he sure aint all about football :).

Now that Pool have won something they can build on it. Thats what Gerrard is about then. Fair comment about the 100,000 though Dreath. But sooner or later 100,000 could be standard wage for top players in top clubs. Its a kind of respect for what he means to the club. Bottom line is Gerrard loves Liverpool and now they have matched his own ambitions he may well stay, so he can stop house hunting in London!

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=281054&cpid=8&CLID=8&lid=&title=Blues+head+Essien+chase&channel=Premiership

Blues head Essien chase
Chelsea are at the head of the queue to sign Lyon's powerful midfielder Michael Essien, according to the player's agent.

Lyon's Ghanaian star was recently crowned as the Players' Player of the Year in France after his dominant displays for the French champions.

Essien has also performed well in the UEFA Champions League for Lyon and he has attracted a number of admirers from across Europe.

Chelsea and Real Madrid were among the clubs jostling for position, but now Jose Mourinho's side seem to be heading the race.

Essien's agent, Fabien Piveteau, says that Real would struggle to find a non-EU place for Essien to fit into their squad - meaning Chelsea being closer to signing the player.

"We have spoken with Madrid after they showed an interest in the player but they stated that, at this time, they don't have a place for a non-European," Piveteau told Marca.

"Right now he is closer to Chelsea but both clubs have to keep on talking."

Lyon have resisted the temptation to cash in on Essien, and hope to keep the 22-year-old at Stade Gerland for next season.

However, Chelsea are chasing hard with Mourinho keen to add to his championship-winning squad for next year.

Essien may find the lure of Stamford Bridge too good to turn down, although Real Madrid may still try to juggle their squad to find a place for Essien should The Blues make the first move.

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=281038&CPID=8&CLID=8&lid=&title=Cech+fires+Reds+warning&channel=Premiership

Cech fires Reds warning

Petr Cech has warned Liverpool that they have a long way to go to challenge Chelsea for the Premiership crown next season.

Liverpool are still euphoric after grabbing the UEFA Champions League in thrilling fashion against Milan in Istanbul on Wednesday.

Reds boss Rafa Benitez has insisted that the hard work has only just started and is not getting carried away by conquering Europe in his first season in charge at Anfield.

Benitez has vowed to make wholesale changes to his squad in the summer in a bid to push harder on the domestic front, but Chelsea keeper Cech has warned that they are a long way behind.

The Czech Republic shot-stopper says that he is not worried about Liverpool challenging for the title next season.

"The Premiership is different from the Champions League, and Liverpool lacked consistency last season," said Cech.

"They played some fantastic games, but then they lost others because they played very poorly.

"They have to improve this aspect of their performances if they are to challenge, and at this stage I am not worried about them."

Cech admitted that he was backing an English side, containing two of his Czech colleagues, as they somehow managed to come from 3-0 down to beat Milan on penalties.

"I was watching the first half and AC Milan totally dominated.

"I told myself at half time that I would watch only another 15 or 20 minutes, and if Liverpool didn't score in that period I wouldn't watch any more.

"I was upset for Milan Baros and Vladimir Smicer, because they are good mates.

"But fortunately what happened meant I watched the rest of the game. It was unbelievable.

"And when Andrei Shevchenko missed his chance near the end of extra time.

"Jerzy Dudek will remember that save until his dying day.

"It was incredible: to make a save like that at the end of extra time in a Champions League final is amazing.

"And Steven Gerrard has been the leader and the best player for Liverpool all season, so I wasn't surprised to see him play as well as he did on Wednesday."

So rob will crespo be heading back to the bridge?

i think chelsea is gonna give milan crespo in return for kaladze and cash

We won't get Kaladze, we basically have signed Del Horno.

Crespo will come back to Chelsea I think, depending on what happens to Ancelotti.

it will depend on if milan sign gilardino

Crespo can take Drogba's spot.

Crespo still has to prove himself at Chelsea first.....i can see him sulking all season if he comes back to us after all the things he has said regarding coming back.Personally i'd like to see him come back ,if only to p.i.ss him off.....use him as a sub until his contract runs out.That'll teach him to bite the hand that feeds him...

Crespo still has to prove himself at Chelsea first.....

Personally i'd like to see him come back ,if only to p.i.ss him off.....use him as a sub until his contract runs out.

1) He had quite a good goals-minutes ratio in the Premiership if I remember right, but was unlucky with injuries, and lets not forget the goal at Highbury!

2) How would we benefit from putting him on the bench for 2 years (I'm guessing at his contract length) just to piss him off? It would cost us loads in wages and then he could walk out on a Bosman free transfer at the end of it; and we'd have to put up with constant moaning to the media which would no doubt lower the morale of the rest of the squad (sounds like the Bogarde situation all over again!).
Or we could sell him to Milan, stop paying the wages and recoup a bit of the transfer fee.

I know what sounds like the better deal to me!

Ah dont get me wrong man....i would rather offload him to be honest......I just dont like his attitude really, especially towards Chelsea.I dont see any point in having someone at the club who dont wanna be there anyway,and you are right ,a whinger like him around would bring the rest of the squad down as well and we really dont need that.To be honest i couldnt give a damn what happens to him....good riddance

I will play upfront if Mourinho wants me, and with the service of Lampard, Robben and Duff with Eidur playing that play maker role dropping back, (H)

Here is something...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/topstories/tm_objectid=15571499%26method=full%26siteid=94762% 26headline=football%2d%2dcrespo%2dbait%2dfor%2deto %2do-name_page.html

CRESPO BAIT FOR ETO'O
By Alan Nixon`

CHELSEA are offering Hernan Crespo to Barcelona as part of a £30million swoop for Samuel Eto'o.

Stamford Bridge owner Roman Abramovich has started talks to land the Cameroon striker and will use Crespo - who has returned from loan at AC Milan - in part-exchange.

Crespo was on the losing side against Liverpool in the Champions League Final, but his two goals increased the chance of the move going through.

There is little hope of him playing again for Chelsea and Abramovich wants to cash in, rather than loan him out again.

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Milan are reluctant to pay the £12m Chelsea want, but Barcelona may be prepared to take Crespo plus around £18m for Eto'o.

Abramovich and Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho are convinced Eto'o, whose 28 goals clinched the Spanish title for Barcelona, is the deadly finisher they need.

But Barcelona do not want to part with him and it will be hard to get them to change their mind, even with Chelsea's huge transfer kitty.

However, £6m a year may tempt Eto'o, despite the ill feeling following Barcelona's Champions League defeat by the west Londoners this season.

Eto'o was angered by Mourinho's antics and was alleged to have spat at a steward during the second leg at Stamford Bridge.

Sacked former Chelsea striker Adrian Mutu returned from a seventh-month drugs ban with a substitute appearance for Juventus in a 4-2 win over Cagliari. Ex-Blues star Gianfranco Zola scored both goals for the visitors.

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This is just baffling, when you have reports the same day coming out that Kaladze is on the verge of coming to Chelsea in a swap + some cash our way for Crespo.

dont waste your time trying to get etoo

More news.

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=281517&cpid=21&CLID=8&lid=&title=INTER:+ADRIANO+WON'T+MOVE&channel=Premiership

INTER: ADRIANO WON'T MOVE
by Nadia Carminati - created on 30 May 2005
Internazionale have issued a hands-off warning to those clubs eyeing a summer swoop for Adriano.

The gifted Brazilian has emerged as one of the world's hottest properties after a Serie A campaign that has yielded 26 goals in 35 starts.

Chelsea are thought to be the club most likely to test Internazionale's desire to keep their prized asset with a huge bid this close-season.

However, president Giacinto Facchetti insists the Milan giants have no intention of relinquishing their talismanic striker.

''Adriano? He will stay with us,'' said Facchetti.

''I know he is eyed by many big sides but he won't move.

''This season we started badly, earning 11 draws from the first 13 matches.

''Then we found the right balance. We are ready for next season. We will try to make just small changes because starting in a good way is very important.''

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Thoughts? Who should we sign upfront, I think Kezman has to leave.

Here is the article from the Observer

Denis Campbell, sports news correspondent
Sunday May 29, 2005
The Observer

Premiership clubs could receive four points for an away win under plans to be discussed by team bosses who want to make games more entertaining.

The radical idea will be floated at this week's Premier League annual meeting, which will hear calls for dramatic changes to address rising concern that there are too many boring, irrelevant matches.

In a briefing note to chairmen before this week's gathering, Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore has listed the many challenges that clubs face if the Premiership is to safeguard its status as the world's most popular and most lucrative league. It is a summary of areas of concern identified by the league's Attendances Working Group, which was set up last November to examine whether the increase in the number of matches shown on Sky television - up from 106 to 138 - and prices charged by clubs were affecting crowd levels.

The issues include 'quality of football - negativity, formations, less attacking play' and what many clubs believe is the closely related issue of 'competitiveness of the League - predictability, including points structure'. The recent decline in the number of away fans, the increased number of matches moved from Saturday 3pm kick-offs to suit television and negative impact of misbehaviour by players and managers are also on the agenda.

Several club chairmen and chief executives told Observer Sport yesterday of their fears that the tendency for teams to opt for safety-first football, deploying only one forward in a cautious attempt to avoid defeat, was producing too much dull play, leaving fans frustrated.

'Last season more and more teams played 4-5-1,' said one chairman. 'It may help them pick up more points than they might otherwise have got and increase their chances of staying up, but it's often not exciting. There are too many irrelevant, unmemorable games, especially involving teams in the middle of the table who won't get relegated or get into Europe, and especially towards the end of the season.'

Another chairman said: 'This trend towards 4-5-1 is understandable - the financial consequences of not surviving in the Premiership are serious - but it cannot be good for the Premier League in the long run. There are signs that, combined with the saturation coverage of games on TV and the cost and hassle of attending matches, this could make some fans stop coming.'

Encouraging the visiting team to attack by awarding them four points for a win is one of the ideas to be discussed. Concern about the attractiveness of the Premiership will be heightened by the revelation that matches televised by Sky suffered a 10 per cent fall in their average audience last season. Official figures from the British Audience Research Bureau published last week by TV Sports Markets magazine show that an average of 1.224million viewers per match tuned in during the 2004-05 season, a drop of 9.7 per cent on the previous season's 1.356m.

Club executives say that, with 32 further fixtures being shown and league rules requiring each team to be screened a certain number of times, a loss in the quality of some games shown - and reduction in the average audience - was inevitable. However, league chiefs are heartened by the fact that the total number of viewers watching live games over the course of the season has risen. It went up from 89.5m in 2003-04 to 107.7m, an increase of 20.4 per cent.

The annual meeting may also hear rumbles of discontent about the way the Premier League share out broadcasting revenue and claims that clubs below the unofficial Big Four of Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester United and Liverpool get too little. But new figures from the League, revealing how much each club earned last season, show the gap between the top and bottom clubs has narrowed. Chelsea, the champions, received £30.7m, while Southampton, who finished bottom, were paid £18.4m.

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Reading this, would be a stupid idea, however if it was inplace in 04/05 this is how the table would of looked.

Chelsea 110
Arsenal 95
Man Utd 87
Everton 67
Bolton 65
Liverpool 63
Middlesbrough 60
Man City 57
Tottenham 57
Aston Villa 51
Charlton 50
Birmingham 48
Fulham 48
Newcastle 47
Blackburn 46
Portsmouth 41
West Brom 35
Crystal Palace 34
Southampton 34
Norwich 33

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The only chance would of been swapping Bolton with Liverpool, and Southampton with Norwich.

Stupid idea, the system is fine now, doesn't need fixing so don't fix it.

Nice work Rob......yeah i agree its a stupid idea.If the Premier league want to ensure bigger attendances at away matches,then something has got to be done about ticket prices,and that includes all ticket prices,for home matches as well as away.No way can i afford to watch Chelsea at home and then 3 days later cough up for an away ticket,the fare or fuel money to say,Newcastle.Ticket prices are a joke especially at Chelsea.This club is seriously beginning to lose its identity by making it impossible for the working guy to afford to go to games.Last season i saw a bigger shift towards Gloryhunting affluent people at home games.I've been going to Chelsea all my life,meeting the same faces week in and week out.Last season i saw less and less of the hard core fans that have folloewd Chelsea for years.Instead they are being replaced by the "prawn sandwich brigade".Kenyon dont care either.As long as the tickets are sold he dont worry about anything else.I hear ticket prices at Chelsea are about to rise again.As i've said before,i might be a Chelsea supporter but i am not a mug,and they can stick their tickets up their rear end if an increase does happen.You get Arsenal fans being forced to help pay for a new stadium with their ticket increases,and we are expected to help pay the wages and transfer fees of our players.This is not the way its supposed to be.At the end of the day,we might revel in some glory but its someone else who is actually making the money and taking the profits.I never thought i would ever consider this but,its more affordable for me to get sky and become an armchair fan,than continue to allow Chelsea to take from me such a huge layout every season.I just cannot afford it anymore.

As for players in and out...i hear Essien is gonna stay in France next season.If Crespo is at least enthusiastic about playing for us ,then thats cool.As for Eto...after the disgusting way that he lied about Chelsea racially abusing him,(and did UEFA ever do anything about him over that?) and the continual crap that he spews out about us...then without a huge apology first.....he can just f.u.c.k. off as far as i am concerned.Its a matter of principles.....but then i wonder if Chelsea has any of those left anymore.

Ahh, new year, new thread (H)

for posterity's sake, the old thread: http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?t=94331

Now, to the topic at hand, the everpresent striker issue. With all this business about Del Horno, I too think that perhaps Hernan's return is on the brink. Seeing his performances during the season, Im all for it, as he wont cost a dime and has clear ability. If he can stay free of the injury bug, then who is to say what he is capable of in England: we dont know for certain that he is an exclusive Serie A wonder. If Crespo wants to return, give him a go for 6 months, and if its still not working, then ship him wherever. That all assumes, of course, that rumor that Jose doesnt like Argies is untrue ;)

As for the strike force in general, I expect Kezza to be given his walking papers anyday now, sadly. He cost so little, I really didnt care that he wasnt as brilliant as his time at PSV belied. Yet coming back today, and catching up with articles, I was dismayed at this: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=334616&cc=5901

Everton close in on Forssell's signature

Everton claim they are closing in on a deal to bring Chelsea striker Mikael Forssell to Goodison Park.
Blues chief executive Keith Wyness revealed today that officials from both clubs have held talks about the player.


'We haven't reached agreement yet, but we are not far apart now,' he told the club's website.

Everton face competition for the 24-year-old Finn from Birmingham, where Forssell had a successful spell on loan before suffering an injury.

Should a deal be struck between the clubs Forssell would be expected to arrive on Merseyside to discuss personal terms and undergo a medical as soon as possible after completing international duty with Finland.

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Does the club just hate Mikael, or something? Its not like he was given any chance this season to show his stuff outisde of a few meaningless games, and now hes back out the door again? Not only does he deserve a chance, he has been arguably the best striker the club have had the last two years, in terms of performance, and he's embarrassed them scoring all his goals for another team. If he has to leave, im glad it everton, and I hope its not another loan: enough jerking him around.

Speaking of Everton, what's all this about them looking to nab Paker and Carlo? Again, I like the toffee's as a club, and am in awe of their achievements this season, but Id rather Chelsea retain Parker and sell Carlo to an Italian club, as I get the feeling he's going to rob Chelsea of a few in the future if he stays in england. Scotty has been rather unlucky this season, but his ability in the haphazard cavalcade of talent the team was last year. If he can stay in Maka's shadow for a year or two, and learn from him, he can be excellent in the holding role. Cmon' Scotty.

Anyway, we have heard about Jose brining in a forward, a LB, and a mid. Being that the LB is in all liklihood Del Horno, who is everyone's realistic picks for the other two spots?

For me, I love Joaquin and Essien's talents, but I think the former would upset the Cole-Duff-Robben wing rotation that has worked well up until now, and the latter, well, that might mean Parker's sure exit. If Scotty departs before that point, id love to see Essien come, but until that point....

Thus, ill say Fernando Torres up front, and now that Stevie the bindipper is gone (personally, i didnt want to see him in blue in the first place, despite his obvious class) ill go off the beaten path and say Emre. Rob's idea about a Wisey return has got me jonesin' for that though. Player/co-assistant? (6)

However, id cream myself if Owen was signed, and until a forward is brought in, the possibility is always there. He or Torres up front with Drogba could make the team 4-4-2able with the ability to put away the balls lobben in he can knock down, plus theyve got speed.

Man, i could go forever at this stuff, but I'll stop now. Here's to two in a row for the blues!

makelele is for chelsea, and chelsea is for makelele

There already a topic on it, but the verdict is in: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=334802&cc=5901

'Tapping' trio hit with record fines


Chelsea have been fined £300,000 and hit with a suspended three-point deduction by the Premier League after being found guilty of making an illegal approach to Ashley Cole.
The points penalty will only be imposed if Chelsea commit a similar offence during the 2005/06 season.


Cole was fined £100,000 for his compliance, despite the Premier League declaring that he had been 'manipulated to a large extent by his agent'', and Mourinho was ordered to pay £200,000 as punishment for their roles in the saga.

The Premier League stated that the financial penalty imposed on the Arsenal and England defender would mean 'it is unlikely that Ashley Cole will ever be tempted in this way again''.

An independent commission concluded that the Arsenal and England defender did meet at a London hotel with Chelsea officials, including manager Jose Mourinho, to discuss a potential transfer to Stamford Bridge.

All parties acted without Arsenal's permission, and a complaint from the Gunners in February led the Premier League to carry out a thorough investigation.

Cole jetted in from New York to hear his fate at Premier League headquarters personally, hours after playing for England in their 3-2 win over Colombia.

He was found in breach of Premier League rule K5, which prohibited him from approaching Chelsea with a view to negotiating a transfer.

Chelsea were determined to have broken rule K3, forbidding them talking to Cole by any means while under contract and without Arsenal's authority. Cole's deal still has two years left to run.

Mourinho was deemed to be in breach of rule Q, governing managers' conduct.

It was first reported in January that Cole, Mourinho and Chelsea chief executive Peter Kenyon met at the Royal Park Hotel in London.

The FA launched their investigation seven days after the initial allegations, and charges were brought in March, with an independent commission hearing the case last month.

Chelsea's `super agent' Pini Zahavi was also alleged to have been at the Lancaster Gate meeting, as was Cole's representative Jonathan Barnett.

However, neither fall under the jurisdiction of the Premier League and therefore there could not be any imposition on them today.

The Premier League statement nonetheless added: 'We recommend that the responsible bodies concerned should investigate the roles of Pini Zahavi and Jonathan Barnett.'

The fines dwarf the Premier League's existing records in such a case, the £20,000 which Liverpool were ordered to pay for making an illegal approach to Christian Ziege, while he was at Middlesbrough in 2000.

The Germany defender was fined £10,000, while Aston Villa were more recently warned and ordered to pay costs for making an illegal approach to James Beattie in 2004.

The record fine meted out to an English club still stands at the #1.5million which Tottenham were ordered to pay after being found guilty of illegal payments to players in 1994.

Cole's legal team had been understood to be considering a defence that players should be entitled to talk to other clubs at any time during their contracts.

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger had warned of 'chaos' if they had succeeded.

All parties have 14 days in which to appeal, and Ashley Cole's agent has confirmed that his client will do so 'immediately'.

so discuss. Couldve been worse, for sure, but if the allegations are true, and this wasnt some lame set up by Zavi, then its well deserved.


Also, does anyone know when Del Horno will be introduced? Or even if? I havent heard anything new on the situation, but there was that comment by Kaladze about being certain of a transfer to Chelsea now clouding the situation. Either way, id be happy

Chelsea will only be deducted points if they are found guilty of the same offence of tapping up a player next season, and at the Premier League's discretion.

Well, if thats the case, then its pretty fair: From now on, though, the FA should come down hard on teams for tapping up. I know what Cole is claiming has merit, about the legality of what he does in the outside world, but still, I think its a pretty dodgy practice and teams should be scared out of even trying

A few articles:

Adriano apparrently wont come, even for 65 million. At that Price, thank god, but : http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=334863&cc=5901
of course, when you read it, its not the slap in the face it seems

Fifa rap for Zahavi?: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=334861&cc=5901
I doubt anything will happen, as not much really can happen, but its good to see this guy's role hasnt gone unnoticed. Some of the company uncle roman keeps, tisk tisk

More 'Kaladze to Chelsea' Stuff:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=334851&cc=5901
Nothing new here, just the same story swimming around. Honestly, this seems like the more sensible and feasable deal, what with Hernan at Milan, but supposedly, according to this article, Kaladze is urging the clubs to agree (despite the fact that theyre supposedly not even in discussion yet???) so if its to be believed he wants the move. I really think the guy, being only 27, could still have great years ahead of him, and really push Bridgey without the curly-haired one. Also, theres none of the possibility of stunting the guys development as there is with Del Horno, as he seems to have come to a professional plateau.

Oh, and its completely baseless, but the more and more I read about Owen to Chelsea, even if they are just his twisted comments and conjecture, the more and more i get excited. My favorite player coming to the blues would be a dream realized, and after this year in spain and this weeks hattrick, its quite clear "the midget" has still got it :hump:

What i'd like to know is where does the £400,000 go to.Does it go into Premier league pockets or is it invested into something useful for the game.The huge difference between the fines given to Chelsea and the fines given to Liverpool for exactly the same offence is scandalous.It is irrelevent whether Chelsea is a rich club or not,there is already a precedent as regards punishment for this offence,and i think the Premier League,(who are ,lets face it a greedy bunch of scumbags)....decided to make some money out of this.Put it this way.....If a millionaire gets nicked for breaking the speed limit,and a regular guy gets nicked for the same thing,the millionaire does not recieve a bigger fine because he has more money....he recieves the same fine as anyone else.That is called justice and there is a saying in England that goes"everyone is equal in the eyes of the law".......well obviously not where the Premier League are concerned.Liverpool were fined £20,000,thats it.No suspended 3 points docked hanging over their heads.Does the fact that David Dien,the Arsenal chairman is on the board of thre Premier League have anything to do with the punishment dished out?
Kenyon must be a complete wanker to have got Chelsea into this mess,and showed how arrogant and stupid he is to have the meeting in public.I dont see anything wrong in what they all did to be honest,but knowing the rules of the Premier League,as unlawful as they are,they should have been more careful,thats all.I agree with Ashley Cole.The European Union laws exist for a reason and i dont see why an employee of a club cannot talk to who he pleases,just like as an employee of a company can talk to whoever he likes if he thinks he can improve his circumstances.I too have a contract of employment but i am not restricted from seeking out another employer while still contracted.I hope Ashley does take his case to the European court.That would be a huge kick in the balls for the Premier League and it could have massive consequences as did the Bosman ruling.
Agents have to be sorted out as well......every scandal that exists within football is mainly because of dodgy dealings by agents.I agree that a player should have representation but the actions of agents has gotta be controlled and its about time that the football authorities did something about it.

It should goto charity, because the FA are morons and don't deserve it.

I swear UEFA, the FA, FIFA hate us.

Should go to Grass roots football, well at least you didn't get more than a 3 point penalty. :)

Thats the point Surfy......there must be a set punishment for any offences,whoever commits them.The Premier League cannot treat each club differently,that is just predjudice.If Liverpool,who commited the same offence ,only had a £20,000 fine,then why is that same level of punishment not imposed on ALL clubs for this offence.It is not an argument to say that Chelsea are richer than Liverpool.Liverpool,at the time of the offence were richer than many clubs in the league.£20,000 was the fine then and £20,000 should be the fine now.Liverpool were never threatened with having points deducted if they re-offended so why are Chelsea?I'll tell you why,its because David Dien is on the board at the Premier League and that must constitute a conflict of interest.He is the Chairman of Arsenal for gods sake.The Premier League board should be made up of people who have NO connections with any club whatsoever,and this is a perfect example of how a connection with a club is corruptive.All along Arsenal wanted points deducted and thats as close as they could get it ,by getting their chairman to fight ,at least for a suspended docking of points.The whole issue stinks.I can remember quite a few offences commited by Arsenal over the years,like using players on false passports and even,surprise surprise,allegations of poaching or tapping up of players.Not once has Arsenal ever been asked to explain themselves by the Premier League.How could they be asked?David Dien is one of THEM.The fine to Chelsea is easily payable,we all know that.£20,000 or £200,000,its all the same to Chelsea.So then you gotta ask yourself,why did Chelsea get a higher fine if it still wouldn't hurt them in the wallet?The answer must be so that the Premier League could make some money from the issue.They are a bunch of spiv businessmen who know or care, sod all about football.They are in it for the profit.These bunch of crooks have nothing top do with the FA.They are an independant body that oversees the league that they created,and it was created in the first place to oversee the distribution of TV revenue to the bigger clubs.That is why Dien is there,to look after Arsenals interests,and only a mug wouldn't see that.The FA are powerless to step in and so that leaves the EPL,one of,if not THE most lucretive league in the world,in the hands of a bunch of greedy moneygrabbing parasites,who live off the backs of our clubs.Its about time they were investigated and its time to stop the rot.And you know why the Premier League fear Chelsea?....Because Chelsea have so much money that they are not afraid to upset the status quo at the Premier League and the PL can see itself loosing its stranglehold on the clubs....that is what scares them so much.Still you cant blame Arsenal for trying to tip the playing field in their favour....lets face it,they do need all the help they can get don't they?I guess they know that without a bit of help they have not a cat in hells chance of bettering us from now on........... :rolleyes:

I heard that Chelsea is after Lyon's Diarra, is it true?

It should goto charity, because the FA are morons and don't deserve it.

I swear UEFA, the FA, FIFA hate us.

Wrong Rob, they hate us. Everytime it's Manchester United that got the worst of consequences.

No man....it aint the FA its the Premier League.... aint you noticed how it is? Whoever upsets Arsenal gets well and truely shafted whether its Man U or us.That Dien scumbag is a s.h.it stirrer mate and he has too much to say for himself.

Friday, June 3, 2005
Chelsea open Crespo talks with Milan
AC Milan are ready to step up their bid to sign Argentinian striker Hernan Crespo on a permanent transfer from Chelsea.

Milan's vice president Adriano Galliani, who handles the day-to-day running of the club for owner Silvio Berlusconi, expressed his determination on Friday that Crespo remain an integral part of the Rossoneri squad.

Galliani also revealed Chelsea made a firm approach for Milan striker Andriy Shevchenko last summer.

'After the acquisition of (Johann) Vogel and (Marek) Jankulovski, we will meet (Chelsea chief executive) Peter Kenyon at Milan's headquarters,' he said.

'We will speak about Hernan Crespo, a player that we absolutely want to keep.

'Our aim is to confirm the 11 players (starters) of Istanbul as our base for next season - a group that has nevertheless proved to be the strongest in Europe.

'I am optimistic that we will confirm Crespo because we've always had a good relationship with Chelsea and I believe this will mean that Milan and Chelsea will never have to fight in the transfer market.'

Galliani acknowledges that a Milan player could end up joining Chelsea.

'We have respect for the English club, for the way they have always approached any eventual negotiation,' Galliani said. 'Kenyon is negotiating with (Kakha) Kaladze but he did ask us for permission beforehand.

'(Roman) Abramovich did the same thing not more than a year ago with Sheva (Shevchenko), we gently told him to let it go and he didn't make an offer.

'In any case our summer signing season is almost concluded, we will only make a few alterations.'

However Galliani refused to be drawn on speculation that the Rossoneri are interested in signing Parma striker Albert Gilardino, who is also thought to be a target of Chelsea and Juventus.

'Are you telling me that Peter Kenyon will go to Parma in order to negotiate with an important player? So I'll trip him, I'll commit a penalty foul to block any move,' Galliani joked.

Source: Soccernet

According to the Spurs website, Chelsea have made an Illegal approach for Frank Arnesen..Naughty naughty...
And this is just after the Ashley Cole saga....

Linkage http://www.spurs.co.uk/index.asp

This approach was made both prior to requesting permission and without permission from the Club. Tottenham Hotspur Football Club refused permission for any discussions to take place.

that statement contradicts itself......God knows whats happening though...is this another setup against Chelsea?.........Is Kenyon about to be given the elbow?......i hope so.....

actually this approach was reported to have happened before the Premier League inquiry into the Cole saga............. :)

Oh yeah i know Pete mate...I meant its just come out after the Cole saga :)

Jesus am i getting paranoid or is there something nasty going on between all the other clubs versus Chelsea......i cant wait for the outcome of this one........ :)

Its a conspiracy...Get the rich bastards out!!! :)

I heard that Chelsea is after Lyon's Diarra, is it true?
Hadnt heard about that one, but of course, Lyon today said they will hang onto him, among others.

Anyway, im breaking with the ongoing Arnesen situation to rekindle the team thread over this latest news: What the hell is this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/4616169.stm

Spurs 'will take duo for Arnesen'
Tottenham want Scott Parker and Mikael Forssell in settlement of their dispute over Frank Arnesen's proposed move to Chelsea, according to reports.

Spurs have accused Chelsea of making an illegal approach for their sporting director, but have yet to make a formal complaint to the Premier League.

The Daily Telegraph claims Tottenham suggested signing midfielder Parker and taking striker Forssell on loan.

Neither player figures in Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho's first-team plans.

The £6m-rated Parker remains a transfer target for other Premiership clubs including Everton and Newcastle.

Finland's Forssell spent much of the last two seasons on loan at Birmingham City but returned to Chelsea following a serious knee injury last October.

He has also been in negotiations with Everton over a move to Goodison Park, but the club are reported to have concerns over his long-term fitness.

Chelsea have denied breaching FA Premier League regulations after formally requesting permission from Tottenham to approach Arnesen.

But Spurs maintain the Premiership champions have broken the rules because their letter regarding Arnesen was copied to the Dane.

"By definition, Frank was approached prior to the club having had any chance to refuse permission," said a statement on the club's website.

Chelsea were recently handed heavy fines and a suspended three-point deduction after being found guilty by a Premier League commission of "tapping up" Arsenal defender Ashley Cole.

However, the suspended penalty would only be activated by a repeat offence of Rule K3 which concerns players.

This has all taken a turn for the bizarre. This may "buy them off" for the moment, but at what price? In my eyes, theyre holding two players virtual hostages in exchange for compensation alone. Who knows if they want diciplinary action taken after that

No no no and no a thousand times more. Its not just that id like Parker and Forssell to feature next year, its also principle. That alone should be enough to reject this. The prospect of giving two Chelsea boys to Spurs is revolting

The prospect of dominating the transfer market with the links FA has is good though.

I know it is only Millwall, but god, I hate the FA, UEFA, FIFA, The Premier League, etc etc.

From The Times:

FA shown in poor light by hardline tactics against vunerable Millwall
By Rod Liddle

THE FA is expected to deliver its verdict today on what to do with Millwall. We’re in the dock again, this time awaiting sentence. The FA has already found us guilty, although quite how, or why, is anyone’s guess. The club fear a large fine and maybe closure of the ground — either of which could push us over the edge.

Like most clubs outside the Barclays Premiership, we’re perennially in debt. We don’t do much tapping up of famous players. The fans get tapped up for the occasional donation, that’s about it.

The circumstances of Millwall’s conviction are bizarre. But we’re dealing here with the monumental arrogance and partisanship of the FA and its eagerness to score cheap political points. For those in Soho Square, there are teams that matter — the Premiership teams — and those that don’t — the rest. What’s happening to Millwall could have happened to any small club, from Tranmere Rovers to Brighton & Hove Albion.

Last October, Millwall played Liverpool in a Carling Cup game and got well and truly stuffed. There was quite a lot of violence at the game — all of it from the Liverpool fans. Some 68 seats were ripped out of the away end, coins were hurled at home supporters and a disabled Liverpool fan was injured by his comrades in the mêlée. Three Liverpool fans were arrested and convicted: no Millwall fans were arrested.

Quite rightly, the FA decided to investigate and in March this year, under its new chief executive, Brian Barwick (a Liverpool fan), pronounced Millwall guilty. Liverpool, meanwhile, seem to have been exonerated.

The FA decided that Millwall fans, and therefore the club, were guilty of racist chanting directed at Liverpool’s black defender, Djimi Traoré. They came to this conclusion despite neither the player nor Liverpool officials making any such complaint. Nor, during or directly after the game, did Liverpool supporters make a complaint of racism. Further, the Millwall stewards, who evict racists peremptorily, heard no racist chanting and neither did the Metropolitan Police.

That’s what they told the FA, too. Just to confirm this, I spoke to the police yesterday: they insisted that at no time were any complaints received; that they heard no racist chanting and that no Millwall fans were evicted for racist chanting. Rick Parry, the Liverpool chief executive, is believed also to have told the FA there was no allegation of racist chanting.

I was there, too. I heard Traoré being roundly jeered by the Millwall contingent — but that was because he had clattered Marvin Elliott, the Millwall midfield player (who is, with wholly predictable irony, black). The FA says it thought the jeering took the form of monkey noises, but I’m not sure what sort of monkeys they’ve been mixing with. It sounded to me — and to everybody else — like “boooo!” There was some pretty unpleasant chanting about the Hillsborough disaster, which may be what inflamed the Liverpool fans. But that wasn’t on the charge sheet.

Once an inquiry had been called, a handful of Liverpool fans retrospectively decided that Millwall’s antipathy to Traoré had been provoked by the colour of his skin and — astonishingly — the FA agreed, despite testimonies to the contrary from the police, Liverpool, the player and Millwall. So we face crippling costs from the threat of an unspecified number of games behind closed doors while the FA continues its sterling efforts to get Liverpool admitted to next season’s Champions League.

As I say, there are clubs that matter and clubs that don’t matter. Never mind the evidence, never mind the ripped-out seats and the hurled coins, never mind the proven incidences of racism at other Premiership clubs this past year, about which the FA did, well, FA. Stick the boot into a small club who have neither the clout nor the influential lobby to hit back. It doesn’t matter if it scuppers their season or, indeed, their existence: it’s only Millwall. Or Tranmere, or Brighton. Or any of the rest.

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I know it is only Millwall, but god, I hate the FA, UEFA, FIFA, The Premier League, etc etc.

From The Times:

FA shown in poor light by hardline tactics against vunerable Millwall
By Rod Liddle

THE FA is expected to deliver its verdict today on what to do with Millwall. We’re in the dock again, this time awaiting sentence. The FA has already found us guilty, although quite how, or why, is anyone’s guess. The club fear a large fine and maybe closure of the ground — either of which could push us over the edge.

Like most clubs outside the Barclays Premiership, we’re perennially in debt. We don’t do much tapping up of famous players. The fans get tapped up for the occasional donation, that’s about it.

The circumstances of Millwall’s conviction are bizarre. But we’re dealing here with the monumental arrogance and partisanship of the FA and its eagerness to score cheap political points. For those in Soho Square, there are teams that matter — the Premiership teams — and those that don’t — the rest. What’s happening to Millwall could have happened to any small club, from Tranmere Rovers to Brighton & Hove Albion.

Last October, Millwall played Liverpool in a Carling Cup game and got well and truly stuffed. There was quite a lot of violence at the game — all of it from the Liverpool fans. Some 68 seats were ripped out of the away end, coins were hurled at home supporters and a disabled Liverpool fan was injured by his comrades in the mêlée. Three Liverpool fans were arrested and convicted: no Millwall fans were arrested.

Quite rightly, the FA decided to investigate and in March this year, under its new chief executive, Brian Barwick (a Liverpool fan), pronounced Millwall guilty. Liverpool, meanwhile, seem to have been exonerated.

The FA decided that Millwall fans, and therefore the club, were guilty of racist chanting directed at Liverpool’s black defender, Djimi Traoré. They came to this conclusion despite neither the player nor Liverpool officials making any such complaint. Nor, during or directly after the game, did Liverpool supporters make a complaint of racism. Further, the Millwall stewards, who evict racists peremptorily, heard no racist chanting and neither did the Metropolitan Police.

That’s what they told the FA, too. Just to confirm this, I spoke to the police yesterday: they insisted that at no time were any complaints received; that they heard no racist chanting and that no Millwall fans were evicted for racist chanting. Rick Parry, the Liverpool chief executive, is believed also to have told the FA there was no allegation of racist chanting.

I was there, too. I heard Traoré being roundly jeered by the Millwall contingent — but that was because he had clattered Marvin Elliott, the Millwall midfield player (who is, with wholly predictable irony, black). The FA says it thought the jeering took the form of monkey noises, but I’m not sure what sort of monkeys they’ve been mixing with. It sounded to me — and to everybody else — like “boooo!” There was some pretty unpleasant chanting about the Hillsborough disaster, which may be what inflamed the Liverpool fans. But that wasn’t on the charge sheet.

Once an inquiry had been called, a handful of Liverpool fans retrospectively decided that Millwall’s antipathy to Traoré had been provoked by the colour of his skin and — astonishingly — the FA agreed, despite testimonies to the contrary from the police, Liverpool, the player and Millwall. So we face crippling costs from the threat of an unspecified number of games behind closed doors while the FA continues its sterling efforts to get Liverpool admitted to next season’s Champions League.

As I say, there are clubs that matter and clubs that don’t matter. Never mind the evidence, never mind the ripped-out seats and the hurled coins, never mind the proven incidences of racism at other Premiership clubs this past year, about which the FA did, well, FA. Stick the boot into a small club who have neither the clout nor the influential lobby to hit back. It doesn’t matter if it scuppers their season or, indeed, their existence: it’s only Millwall. Or Tranmere, or Brighton. Or any of the rest.


I know Millwall has a well deserved reputation, but thats frankly pathetic. No evidence and they deal a blow like that to a club who needs gate revenues to survive. This is the same FA that is too gutless or whatever, objectively, to stick chelsea with more than a fine for these numerous inicidents of shadiness that have gone on in the past two years. I remember this match, and reading in the post match that Liverpool fans claimed, originally, taunting over Hillsbourough which sparked their violence. Still, it doesnt excuse a psuedo riot. Nice one FA.

Speaking of Millwall, is Wise now out of contract??? Id love to see him as an assistant when his playing days are done

He quit Millwall a month ago...Southampton want to sign him on a playing contract apparently.

The FA and the Premier League have no use for such a thing as evidence.They work through heresay and conjecture.Even the outcome of the Cole inquiry was not consistant with its findings.They admitted that Cole and his agent Barnett made all the first approaches towards chelsea,but Chelsea got fined more than Cole.So that proves that justice is not a word in their vocabulary.How much did Gerrard Houllier get fined for doing the same thing to Christian Ziegler?........Absolutely NOTHING.How much did the club get fined?........£20,000.Theres consistancy for you.They hit us hard because they do not like the fact that we are one of the big boys now,if not the biggest.If the FA and the PL dislike a club,as they do Millwall,they will act without evidence by just saying, "well,it sounds like the sort of thing they would do".The same logic they, and a lot of other people,including this forum,make about Chelsea whenever anyone wants to accuse us of anything at all.

http://www.fcdynamo.ru/phpeng/content.php?group=13&id=215

Dynamo Moscow Plan Re-match Against Chelsea 60 Years on

Dynamo Moscow plan an international tournament later this year to commemorate the 60th anniversary of their post-war trip to Britain, the Russian premier league club was quoted as saying by Reuters on Wednesday.

In 1945, Dynamo became the first Soviet team to tour Britain after the end of World War Two. They played four games, drawing 3-3 with Chelsea, beating Arsenal 4-3, crushing Cardiff City 10-1 and drawing 2-2 with Rangers in Glasgow.

The match against Chelsea was played in front of a crowd estimated to number up to 100,000 people, such was the appetite for football in England in the immediate post-war period.

This time they plan to invite English Premier League leaders Chelsea, French club Monaco and one of the Russian premier league sides to a four-team tournament in Moscow in mid-summer.

The London club are one of the most followed foreign teams in the country since Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich bought them in 2003, while Monaco, last year’s Champions League finalists, are sponsored in part by Dynamo owner Alexei Fedorychev.

Russian businessman Fedorychev, whose company Fedcominvest are Monaco’s shirt sponsors, has been transforming Dynamo into one of the top Russian sides since acquiring 51 percent of the Moscow club last September.

Dynamo finished in 13th place last year after battling relegation for much of the season.

He quit Millwall a month ago...Southampton want to sign him on a playing contract apparently.
Good luck to him then, but I hope there is a job waiting for him, like with Clarke, when he is finished for good. Speaking of Southampton, I wonder what LeSaux is going to do with himself? Surely he is good enough for some top-flighter's LB position if he wants it

The FA and the Premier League have no use for such a thing as evidence.They work through heresay and conjecture.Even the outcome of the Cole inquiry was not consistant with its findings.They admitted that Cole and his agent Barnett made all the first approaches towards chelsea,but Chelsea got fined more than Cole.So that proves that justice is not a word in their vocabulary.How much did Gerrard Houllier get fined for doing the same thing to Christian Ziegler?........Absolutely NOTHING.How much did the club get fined?........£20,000.Theres consistancy for you.They hit us hard because they do not like the fact that we are one of the big boys now,if not the biggest.If the FA and the PL dislike a club,as they do Millwall,they will act without evidence by just saying, "well,it sounds like the sort of thing they would do".The same logic they, and a lot of other people,including this forum,make about Chelsea whenever anyone wants to accuse us of anything at all.

Too right, Pede. Alot like UEFA: once the reputation is there, right and wrong in a situation matter for very little. This is akin to the evil of racial profiling :jambo: Alright, well, that might be getting out of control, but the end of the article says it best: clubs that matter and clubs that dont, and its clear to me that, though Chelsea's ascendency in England and Europe has, despite the claims of Cruyff and others, good for football financially (spreading the wealth) and competitively, that doesnt matter because somehow theyre too threatening, or whatever it is. The club has been in the wrong, no doubt, but if UEFA had their way, Chelsea wouldve been flayed alive for passing notes in the dugout. Anyway, life is unfair. If anyone wants, ill post an online petition in millwall's defense (yah, I know theyre useless)



Great news about the friendly with Dinamo. Does anyone have a picture of the crowd packed in that day? What was it, 106 thousand, or something like that?




Anyway, a bit of news, and dour news at that

Dont blink because Forssell (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=335290&cc=5901) and, if their website is to be believed (www.nufc.com) Scotty Parker have both left the club

Honestly, I dont get why Ranieri's purchases were dismissed so lightly by Jose. Mutu couldve been saved, in my opinion. Parker was good last year in a very talented squad, and yet now he too is history, despite never being a bust at all. Mikael is perhaps most tragic: brought back to the club this year, recovers, and sits behind Kezman and Drogba while they waste time getting cheap fouls. I know Jose knows football better than I know my own dong, but this is just wasteful and insulting to the talents these guys possess. Frankly, I thought Scotty at least could be excellent for Chelsea one day. Now nobody will ever know.

Anyone with some thoughts?

Here are the articles for the lazier of you :)

Forssell completes familiar trip to Brum


Mikael Forssell has set his sights on taking Birmingham into Europe after re-joining the club in a £3million move from Chelsea.

Forssell: Former City loan star. (LawrenceGriffiths/GettyImages)

Forssell has signed an initial three-year deal although there is also a two-year option on top of that for the Finnish international.


Blues manager Steve Bruce revealed that he had beaten off the interest of eight other Premiership clubs to bring Forssell back to St Andrews.

The player spent the 2003/04 campaign on loan from Chelsea and scored 19 goals, including 17 in the Premiership.

The 25-year-old agreed to then spend another season with Birmingham but was laid low from September with a knee problem which sidelined him for six months.

But Forssell insists he is now 100% fit and looking to reproduce his form of two years ago.

He said: 'The season I had two years ago with Birmingham was a big influence on my decision to come back.

'I had a great time here and this feels a bit like coming home.

'I have great respect for the manager and spoke to him a week ago and he was the one that persuaded me to come. It is very easy for me to settle back into things here.

'I believe that Birmingham is a club which is going forward and the football has improved a lot in the time I have been away from here.

'Hopefully, through my goals, I can help them to become even better. It is about doing things one step at a time but hopefully I can help get them into Europe.'

Forssell admitted: 'Everton were interested in me and we had some talks with them but I decided to come here because this is the right move at this stage of my career.

'I've been fit for the past two to three months. I thought I wasn't going to play at all last season but I got back quicker than I thought.

'I owe a big vote of thanks to Chelsea's physios and medical team and everything is fine now.

'It has been a very hard six months for me, not being able to play, but mentally I feel a lot stronger for the experience.'

Bruce admitted: 'There were eight other Premiership clubs after his services. But Birmingham was good for Mikael and the reason so many clubs wanted him was because of what he did with us the season before last.
'When I knew he was available, we had to act. He is the type of footballer everyone wants at their club - not just because of his ability but because of the way he conducts himself on and off the pitch.

'We've beaten off a few clubs, we have paid the fee wanted and have satisfied the player's personal demands.
'There is no doubt we missed him last season after he got injured and I had been looking forward to linking him up with Emile Heskey. We hope that can happen now.'

Scott set for Scot
Magpies boss Graeme Souness may soon get the breakthrough in the transfer market that his Tyneside career may well depend on, as the saga of Scott Parker nears completion - in our favour.

It's understood that a fee has now been agreed with Chelsea and personal terms have also been accepted by the 24 year-old midfielder.

And crucially, the player himself does apparently fancy the gig - dashing the hopes of three other Premiership clubs who were happy to meet the asking price.
Precisely when the announcement that the deal has been concluded will be is unclear - whether it'll come before Monday's 5pm season ticket deadline remains to be seen.



Oh, and if rumors are to be belived, Torres now looks like he could be Bridge-bound. Along with Owen the midget (H)

i guess since Forssell is the striker thats transferred out, Kezman is not transferring out! i hope he gets more playing time this season wit alot...ALOT more goals

God Spurs are such a bunch of spineless sh*ts. I mean they're trying to bargain with you after accusing you of cheating. If they accuse they should take it to the F.A. not try to get money or players out of Chelsea. Lowlife scum they are.

Well i am very dissapointed that Jose has sold Scotty and Mikel.I wouldn't mind if they were crap players,but Scott in my opinion,with a little more playing time was one of our best midfield players.Much better than a couple of midfielders that Jose obviously has a soft spot for,and has retained.Same goes for Mikel,a much better and settled striker than one or two of our first choice strikers.He and Eidur would have been fantastic together.If Kezman still cant cut it next season,we are gonna be sorry that Jose flogged Mikel.Two very bad decisions in my opinion,and I dont care how good Jose is,i cannot agree that selling them is a good thing for us,especially at the give away prices.Three Mill for Mikel ,that is a joke.
Regarding Dennis Wise ...He has nothing to offer us anymore.Played well most of the time when he was a Chelsea boy but he is and always will be a thug...nuff said about him.

Dreath.....a double blow huh?....not only will they not put Chelsea in the s.h.i.t,but they might make some money out of the episode too.....yup i can see why you might be dissapointed mate.......... :funny:

Speaking of Southampton, I wonder what LeSaux is going to do with himself? Surely he is good enough for some top-flighter's LB position if he wants it

He's retired from football to focus on commentating on games...to be honest I don't think he would've been able to keep up with the pace in the Premiership because last season he was given a rough ride nearly every week but I thought he would've stayed at the Saints for another year to help them win promotion from the Championship.

Well i am very dissapointed that Jose has sold Scotty and Mikel.I wouldn't mind if they were crap players,but Scott in my opinion,with a little more playing time was one of our best midfield players.Much better than a couple of midfielders that Jose obviously has a soft spot for,and has retained.Same goes for Mikel,a much better and settled striker than one or two of our first choice strikers.He and Eidur would have been fantastic together.If Kezman still cant cut it next season,we are gonna be sorry that Jose flogged Mikel.Two very bad decisions in my opinion,and I dont care how good Jose is,i cannot agree that selling them is a good thing for us,especially at the give away prices.Three Mill for Mikel ,that is a joke.

Hear Hear. Honestly, Forssell doesnt bother me as much, simply because Striker is an area of crisis for this club at present, and I believe theyre going to spend large this summer to rectify their issues. As such, if he was going to be relegated to the fourth spot again, I cant see why he wouldnt want to move clubs, so good luck to Forssell at Brum, albeit with regret at losing him. But on the brightside, well, maybe its a brightside, as wolfwood points out it could mean another chance for Kezman. If he is given the opportunity this year, after everyone left him for dead, he could just find it.

Parker, however, has the chance to be great and to learn from some of the best in the world, and yet hes being pushed out before his time. Like you say, Jose knows his stuff, but this does make you wonder. I also hope the same favoritism towards his portugeezers (ahem, Tiago) doesnt cause Billy Gallas to leave, as is the hot rumor these days, with Riccy Carvalho being picked over him. Anyway, I just hope this doesnt spell a 30 million pound bid for Essien, or something like that, because Im not convinced the guy is all he is cracked up to be, and lets face facts, Chelsea can pip any offer for him next summer.

Also, Dreathie makes a good point: Spurs have quashed more than a bit over this issue of Arnesen. Its as if they wanted chelsea's balls on a platter when they made the allegation, and then when the possibility of getting parker came up they were willing to worm it under the table. Id rather not see Scotty mature in a spurs uniform, because the young guys they have developing will be deadly in a few years, but if they want to work it out without a big fuss, so be it.

Oh, and thanks Vazza for the info

Damnit

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/4077990.stm

I guess it was an inevitability, but Scotty Parker is gone for good. 6.5 million p isnt bad, considering he was purchased for 10 (at least, thats not bad in the world of Chelseanomics) but im damn disappointed to see him go like this.

Now, a place is open for Rosicky. Get it done Jose (H) :(

Who do you lads see coming in now? I know another mid was going to be purchased, but does this now mean two are needed? Was Jose factoring in Parker's departure all along?

All I have to say is please, no Essien. His price tag is so inflated right now, and if Chelsea dont buy him this year, he will stay at Lyon, so passing this summer is win win. Hate to say it, but he might just be a bust, but thats highly unlikely. Its too bad Maniche has already moved....and that Xavi extended.

Sad to see him go...didn't get much of a look in but when he played he gave 100% despite being played out of position and never complained. BTW I could have sworn that the fee we paid was nearer £12m.

As for Rosicky, we don't need him cos he plays in Lampard's position and I don't see him starting over Frank, do you? Anyway, I really don't see why so many rate him...sure he has talent but he hasn't done much for the past couple of seasons.

I have to agree with you about Essien, I'm worried we'll get ripped off again, like we were with Didier but saying that there aren't too many quality young players in his position.

still the same preconceptions about the portuguese, when will you english guys get over it. Do we need to kick your arses yet again? :ewan:

I agree Chelsea could get better than Tiago with all the money they have (I mean there are much better midfielders in Portugal let alone the rest of the world), but Scott Parker is definitely not a better player than him. He lacks the positioning Tiago and Smertin have and that it's fundamental for that position. If you're saying no to Essien you clearly have no clue about the player himself who is currently probably the best player in the world in that particular position. Who cares about the price tag? You can afford it.

But Ricardo Carvalho... come on he may not have had the routine Gallas and Terry had when playing together last season, but as a player he's a class above Gallas. Gallas may be quicker (not much), Terry may be the best in the world (mainly because he's almost unbeatable in the air, but there is no CB in the world with RC's work rate.

I get the feeling you're a FM geek when I read BlueBalla's post, Rosicky is inconsistent as f*ck and not THAT special when he plays well.

Carvalho inspires more confidence in me at CB than Gallas does because he always seems calm, whatever the situation. As for Tiago, after a decidely patchy start, I thought he picked up towards the end of the season with some good performances, so hopefully he'll start next season the way he ended the last.

First let me put a disclaimer on the Rosicky thing: its not that I think the team needs him, I was just being a wiseass about getting a player I happen to like. Last summer, when it looked like he was surely headed for Chelsea, I was pretty excited, but even more-so after EURO2004. I just think the lad's brilliant, and I know he sucked this year and all, but I hope that he recovers his form because he is one of my favorite non-Chelsea players. I just hope the michael owen situation doesnt similarly come to a whole lot of nothing this summer, because that lad is my favorite non-chelskite.

By the way, i dont even own FM :(

Sad to see him go...didn't get much of a look in but when he played he gave 100% despite being played out of position and never complained. BTW I could have sworn that the fee we paid was nearer £12m.

As for Rosicky, we don't need him cos he plays in Lampard's position and I don't see him starting over Frank, do you? Anyway, I really don't see why so many rate him...sure he has talent but he hasn't done much for the past couple of seasons.

I have to agree with you about Essien, I'm worried we'll get ripped off again, like we were with Didier but saying that there aren't too many quality young players in his position.

Youre probably right on the Parker number, but I definately agree. And yah, the Drogba signing still kinda haunts me. Though I dont know the first thing about how the negociations went, I get the feeling that had Chelsea played the situation normally, that is reduced their intrest when the price got to high or chased other similar players, he wouldve cost closer to what he was actually worth. In any event, I just hope he isnt tossed out with Kezman with next weeks trash at a 24-7 million pound loss and is given another season to show what he can do. It seems that most chelsea fans who want him gone say so because he shot blanks in the second leg of the semis, which is pretty silly given how he did the rest of the season.

still the same preconceptions about the portuguese, when will you english guys get over it. Do we need to kick your arses yet again? :ewan:

I agree Chelsea could get better than Tiago with all the money they have (I mean there are much better midfielders in Portugal let alone the rest of the world), but Scott Parker is definitely not a better player than him. He lacks the positioning Tiago and Smertin have and that it's fundamental for that position. If you're saying no to Essien you clearly have no clue about the player himself who is currently probably the best player in the world in that particular position. Who cares about the price tag? You can afford it.

But Ricardo Carvalho... come on he may not have had the routine Gallas and Terry had when playing together last season, but as a player he's a class above Gallas. Gallas may be quicker (not much), Terry may be the best in the world (mainly because he's almost unbeatable in the air, but there is no CB in the world with RC's work rate.

I get the feeling you're a FM geek when I read BlueBalla's post, Rosicky is inconsistent as f*ck and not THAT special when he plays well.

Your spot on with all that. Let me just say, Tiago was excellent for most of the season, and people like myself and others who say he should be replaced say so, subconciously, because he doesnt fit the billing of "world class" eventhough he is class. But if it came to spending an extravagant amount (and it would be) on someone like Essien, then I would rather see Tiago retained as the third mid. However, I only say that because of the extravagant fee: Essien is the name this summer, along with Joaquin and perhaps Gilardino, that is nearly guaranteed to make a big move. Being that he is so coveted, I fear he could command even more than what Drogba did, and that might put undue pressure on the lad if he comes to the Bridge. Id rather let the intrest cool, and then maybe make a swoop during the January window because as it stands, Madrid and ManUnited arent really in a position to make their move, but I worry about Arsenal getting him.

Oh, and all you said about RC is absolutely right: not only is he more technically gifted than Gallas, he is poised and confident as Vazza put it, and I think of him much more in a Rio Ferdinand mold as a more smooth, precise CB. If it were not for the success of JT and Gallas, I would definately have him start, despite Billy Gallas' class. I still remember the second leg of the semi finals, and how the guy went balls to the wall, moving all over the field to make tackles and clearances. Having him, terry and gallas to fill two spots is the definition of 'embarrassment of riches'

By the way, i mentioned Joaquin, and another board mentioned that Chelsea were leading the race for his signature. He's absolutely brilliant, I know, but is anyone else worried his arrival is going to upset the Duff-Robben-Cole rotation on the wings? I get attached to the lads and dont want to see them leave, a la parker, but maybe given Robben's fragility, Joaquin is needed

my bet would be that as Mourinho didn't say he was looking for an attacking midfielder, his plan is to buy a right winger and play Cole more on the middle when needed.

It was noticeable though especially in the Anfield game that when Lamps has an off day Chelsea's midfield lacks creative spark.

With Tiago, it is all about positioning and running around the field closing down spaces with Makelele and forcing turn overs to distrbute the ball to Gudjohnsen when he players deep, who then is like Bergkamp with some slick passing he picks off Duff, Robben, Cole, Lampard or whoever is playing upfront and attacking.

Yeah, Rosicky's been teh suck for the last 2 years now, but it's the complete opposite when he plays with his national team. I guess he feels at ease with his country-men, or has more freedom with his national team, whatever the case may be. His market value's dropped, too. You could use him as a #2 or something.

Yeah, Rosicky's been teh suck for the last 2 years now, but it's the complete opposite when he plays with his national team. I guess he feels at ease with his country-men, or has more freedom with his national team, whatever the case may be. His market value's dropped, too. You could use him as a #2 or something.


I believe he will own in La Liga in a middle team like Sevilla, Atletico Madrid, Deportivo, etc

The point Rob brings up about Guddy is something that puzzles me, though. If the team pursues a third midfielder, and retains the 4-3-3, then what is Eidur's role going to be? Id rather see him out there for every start if he plays as he did this season, but if, as Virgo said, Cole could be relegated into the midfield, then thats something that would leave him out in the cold, but that I would welcome. Between striker and CAM or whatever else, im sure he can get plenty of minutes

As awful as it is to say, Robben's injury issues last year were kinda positive in a way ( :nape: ) in that Joe Cole stepped in and almost immediately, the offense almost began to run through him. Before that point, Jose clearly didnt rate him that much and he was on his way, in my opinion to being sold. Now the guy has seemed to find it, and if he can become that third midfielder, and Joaquin, duffer, and robben can share the wings, then im definately all for it. Might put a clamp on Lampard's ability to go forward as much, though, if Cole is the "offensive" man in midfield, but Im not gonna get into theoretics at this point any more than I have :)

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=335658&cc=5901

Milan close in on Crespo transfer

AC Milan tonight claimed Hernan Crespo's permanent move from Chelsea could be sealed in a matter of days and possibly be followed by Kakha Kaladze moving in the opposite direction...


Amen

Del Horno would be nice, but Kaladze comes with the incentive of Crepso going out permanently. It wouldve been suicide sending him on loan for another year, with the possibility of him taking at the end of the season or getting injured, and then being a valueless 31 year old next summer. On top of that, if Kaladze comes, im sure Bridgey will be retained, and with the last bit of news, about Del Horno's agent posturing despite the club getting no offers yet (as well as his comment which upset billy gallas) this seems like the safest, best move to make.

And on a similar, and more relieving note

Inter close to tying up Veron's future


Inter Milan are confident they can complete the permanent signing of Chelsea midfielder Juan Sebastian Veron by the end of the week.
Veron joined the Nerazzurri last summer on a season-long loan deal from the Premiership champions.

'We are working to keep the player,' sporting director Marco Branca told PA International.

'Veron's situation will probably be resolved in the next few days and we are optimistic that he will stay.'

The 30-year-old Argentinian, who sealed a £15million move to Chelsea from Manchester United in 2003, has a contract with the Stamford Bridge outfit until 2007 but could now sign a three-year deal with Inter...

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=335448&cc=5901

Im not trying to sell these guys up the river, as they are players with obvious talent and had bad luck while at Chelsea which killed their opportunities, but its best for all parties that they move on (Y) If some cash can be recouped from their sale, then all the better. Im happy with the crespo deal, and glad both can move on with their careers.

A 3 year deal? Oh hell no. Hopefully it doesn't happen. Let's be honest here. Veron was an integral part of the club this year but dreaming that he'd be able to play so well for 3 more years is crazy. Hopefully the other rumor of us getting him on loan for another year goes through instead. He could then head to Argentina to finish his career while the club could bring in Pizarro instead.

Though I fear he will be given a full contract. Hopefully the process doesn't include first dibs on Adriano :D

The other rumor is another loan season? Im wary about that for obvious reasons, as in the rumored Crespo loan extension. Im sure something sane would be negociated by inter, as in a year or two if they were to take him on fulltime, and, personally, Id like to see a player thrown in as a makeweight, and while adriano would be nice, id be perfectly happy with a guy like Emre. I think he is greatly underrated for his abilities, and I know a switch to England has been rumored for him. Andy VdM would also be alright with some cash if Joaquin doesnt sign with Chelsea.

In any event, Im just glad seba veron has found a new lease on life with Inter, and has been able to contribute. Its a shame he never found his legs in England though. Thanks for the info SB9, but which Pizarro were you referring to? Is that Claudio, as i recently remember something about him expressing a desire to play in Italy...

think it's david. chilean.

Chelsea complete Del Horno switch

Del Horno scored Spain's winner against England earlier this year
Chelsea have completed the signing of Spain left-back Asier del Horno for £8m from Athletic Bilbao.
The 24-year-old defender has agreed a three-year deal and will officially become a Blues player on 1 July.

Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho said Del Horno would be a big asset in the club's pursuit of major honours.

"Asier is an outstanding international player who will add quality to the squad in a position we needed to strengthen," said Mourinho.

Chelsea have been keen to boost their options on the left side of defence.

When England international Wayne Bridge suffered a double fracture of his left ankle in February, William Gallas was forced to play out of position.

Chelsea chief executive Peter Kenyon told the club's website: "Jose identified his target to fill the left-back position and we're delighted Asier has chosen to come to Chelsea.

Report: Spain 1-0 England

"The arrival of Asier signifies Chelsea's desire to strengthen the squad in key positions following a hugely successful season and we all look forward to seeing Asier in the blue of Chelsea in July."

Del Horno, who came through the ranks at Bilbao, made his debut for Spain last September in a friendly against Scotland and scored the winner against England in November.

this tranfer is going to be amazing!!!!!!

i hope you guys dont expect much defence from Del horno.. unless Mourinho can coach him up to it.. he loses interest in getting back and cover his area too often.. still sad to see him go, we will miss his goals against real madrid.. :ewan:

lets hope so...........more on the obi mikel saga

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/4106482.stm

and our latest signing

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/4115528.stm

and heres an interesting one

http://www.tribalfootball.com/june/spanishnews2210605.html

Eto is staying at Barca because his wife told him to.She heard that the weather here is lousy.Average temperatures this summer in London are 88degrees farenheight.....silly cow........ :funny:

you should by podolski

Eto is staying at Barca because his wife told him to.She heard that the weather here is lousy.Average temperatures this summer in London are 88degrees farenheight.....silly cow........ :funny:

Lets see....

a lot of money.... a wife afraid of weather...:|
:|:|:|
Thats it!!!! i never gonna marry....

Hmm anyway i dont believe him, Seems like Etoo really like money...

He wanted a new contract :read:

Thanks for all the updates Pede, Lads

First let me say I was pumped to see the del horno transfer had been done and dusted when I opened BBC tonight. Brilliant! Of Kaladze and Del Horno, its clear who has the more talent, and the brighter future, and Chelsea got him for 8 million pounds! Id expect Chelsea would have to pay more than that, but even for a left back, in my opinion that isnt bad at all. Wasnt his buyout like 24 million Euro?? In any event, I still think Bridgey has a future at the club as he is still brilliant when fit. All in all, a great night, and I think this kid is gonna be a real hit!

So what do the other Chelsea boys think about this signing? Does it spell the end for Wayne Bridge? Will the Crespo deal still get done as planned (last I heard, a permanent switch was close, thank god)? Did anyone actually want Kaladze more, or did anyone think it was a steal?

Speak up fellas :ewan:

i hope you guys dont expect much defence from Del horno.. unless Mourinho can coach him up to it.. he loses interest in getting back and cover his area too often.. still sad to see him go, we will miss his goals against real madrid.. :ewan:

Thanks for the info man. I knew he was a great offensive player, and maybe he can help alleviate some of the offensive difficulties this team invariably has. Jose, for some of his, err, insensitivity when dealing with players he really doesnt like or doesnt want (Mutu [yes, im still defending him :p] and Parker are two names) the case of Joe Cole has shown that when a player has towed the managers line and displayed comittment and improvement, they can really excell. Hopefully that will be Del Horno's tale from the get go.

And dont worry about his record against Madrid. Hopefully, he will be scoring plenty against them in the CL (H)

Oh, and BFS, about Poldoski, I dont know the first thing about him, other than he looks and sounds like a large lad. Does he play like a drogba/crouch type, as a big target up front? Personally, I think the type of forward needed is the Owen/Torres type who is crafty and quick, rather than the Kezman poacher type. I believe an Owen or a Torres would compliment Drogba greatly and allow Chelsea to try a sucessful 4-4-2, if need be.

Lets see....

a lot of money.... a wife afraid of weather...:|
:|:|:|
Thats it!!!! i never gonna marry....

Hmm anyway i dont believe him, Seems like Etoo really like money...

He wanted a new contract :read:

The last line is bolded because thats what I felt about this story too. If its true, and Chelsea actually bid on this scum, then im ashamed that they would. He showed his true colors, and they were every bad stereotype of the spoiled, petulant footballer all in one. I dont think anyone ever really wanted him at Chelsea, his record and talent be damned. To use an old line, his mouth is writing cheques his body cant cash, and at Chelsea its Jose's way or the highway. No room for guys like him.

Plus, if thats true, hes a pussy-whipped bitch like Crespo (H)

Why Del Horno, why! This guy would have been perfect for Inter's LB spot. Though atleast this ends any interest for Dede.

BTW yeah BlueBalla, I was talking about David Pizarro, Udinese's Chilean playmaker.

Thanks for clearing that up, SB9. And wasnt that LB from Argentina, Burdisso, supposed to be your LB for the future? Or does he only play in the center?

Anyway, just posting a pretty forboding article: Spurs have rejected an offer of players for compensation...apparrently Huth (along with Johno) was offered to shut them up :| Thank god they said no. Chelsea, frankly, deserve what punishment they get from the FA, and I hope its still enough to put a muzzle on Kenyon and this type of nasty behavior.

Well, anyway, the deadline has passed 3 hours ago to resolve the matter. Honestly, the fact that spurs were ready to listen to offers is a bit sad: They shouldve just gone right to the FA to begin with, but as Pede said before, they just look like theyre trying to scam a quick buck or some talent for not tattling. It comes off more as a bribe. Anyway, here it is...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/4121916.stm

Spurs to 'reject' Chelsea offer

Tottenham will reportedly not accept any players as part of a compensation package for Frank Arnesen's switch to Premiership champions Chelsea.
Chelsea are believed to be ready to offer Robert Huth and Glen Johnson to stop Spurs triggering a Premier League probe for their approach to Arnesen.

Spurs have given Chelsea until 1200 BST on Friday to resolve the dispute.

The deadline was set after Spurs were infuriated at Arnesen being pictured on Blues owner Roman Abramovich's yacht.

Abramovich is reported to have flown to London to try to broker a peace deal.

Carlton Cole and Wayne Bridge were also mentioned as potential bargaining chips but, according to the Press Association, the White Hart Lane club are not prepared to entertain such a deal.

"Having seen the pictures we've contacted Chelsea and set them a deadline," said a Spurs spokeswoman.

"If we don't reach agreement by noon on Friday, we'll make a formal complaint."

Spurs suspended Arnesen on 4 June after claiming Chelsea approached him without consent.

Chelsea, though, have insisted they followed Premier League rules.

The club have a suspended three-point deduction hanging over them after being found guilty of "tapping-up" Arsenal's Ashley Cole.

The two clubs had been in extensive negotiations over a compensation package when it became clear Arnesen was keen to move to Stamford Bridge.

But potential deals, including moves for Chelsea players Scott Parker (now at Newcastle), Mikael Forsell and Carlton Cole, have all fallen through.

Haha Spurs (H)

Why even try? Honestly, you thought Arsenal were bad. Spurs hate for Chelsea makes Arsenal's look like school boy stuff.

You're in for a long road.

Haha Spurs (H)

Why even try? Honestly, you thought Arsenal were bad. Spurs hate for Chelsea makes Arsenal's look like school boy stuff.

You're in for a long road.
Yah, but I hate Arsenal cause theyre good. I know the venom is more verulent with Spurs, but thats all historical. Its like two guys in class are assholes, but you hate the one who has a nice car and is smooth with girls more than the one at the back of the classroom sucking through his retainer :)

No doubt, they will get the FA to put chelsea through hell, and deservedly so. But honestly, something like a transfer ban or a point deduction would honestly be welcomed by many Chelsea folk. The club has gotten too big for its britches (do they still use that one in NC? (H) ) and should be taken down a peg. Ah well, que sera sera, and all that. It gives the silly season a little bit of extra juice.

EDIT: YESSSS

http://football.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,14546,-5096184,00.html

Veron makes permanent move to Inter Milan

MILAN, June 24 (Reuters) - Argentine midfielder Juan Sebastian Veron has signed a two-year deal with Inter Milan, making his move from Chelsea permanent.

Veron spent last season on loan from Chelsea and Inter have agreed terms with the English champions over the transfer -- although no fee has been made public.

"We are very satisfied with how the negotiations with Veron and Chelsea concluded," Inter technical director Marco Branca told the club's website.

"Keeping Veron at Inter was the objective of the club, coach Roberto Mancini and the player himself. He had for some time expressed his wish to continue with us," said Branca.


dunno what the fee was, but this is great news. Veron wasnt bad for Chelsea on his day, but this is one less black cloud of a former player to deal with, and Im happy hes found something good at Inter. Best of luck to Seba!

I know this looks like an NGYC impression, but Ive already edited once, and Bobby didnt come back with the bantering I expected

Anyway, the important thing is a very reliable source off an official Chelsea board has come out with mockups from what he has seen as from the new kit designs. Again: THESE ARE NOT EXACTLY THE NEW KITS. Just renditions of what they will be like from what he has seen. I trust him, and so should you. Afterall, hes yet another Blue from downunder :jap:

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/carefreechris/shirts/cfccentenaryshirthome_a.jpg
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/carefreechris/shirts/cfccentenaryshirtaway.jpg
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/carefreechris/shirts/3rdkitnewbadge.jpg

Personally Im pretty disappointed. The first one im not so keen on with the gold, but it could be worse. The second is nice, but im pretty sure the FA will investigate for ripping off Man City. Frankly, im a bit sad not to see the white job from the last two seasons there again: I thought that kit was brilliant.

Anyway, he said he wanted input back, so let em have it

No way am I wasting my money on those.

A bit of news...looks like some progress has been made with Spurs considering a new offer from the club despite the deadline passing but to be perfectly honest I'd prefer it if we were reported. This whole "compensation" business with players etc. seems very shady and will undoubtedly (and deservedly) attract criticism from all areas, possibly destroying the club's image to a far greater extent than an FA investigation. The club should just hold their hands up and take whatever punishment the FA decides upon (most possibly a big fine), on the chin.

i think Chelsea should just tell Spurs to take us to the FA.Thank God they didn't take Huth and Johnson.Why dont we offer Kenyon instead?Once we get to the FA hearing,Spurs are gonna look like idiots anyway having held us up to blackmail and then when they didn't get all the money they wanted,then they take us to a hearing.Even if we are found guilty,which is not proven as yet to be the case,the fine we get is always gonna be cheaper than what Spurs want,so i say F.u.c.k 'em.As for the punishment Balla,IF we are found to be at fault, this is one Chelsea supporter who would not like to see a deduction in points.Come on mate,what fan in their right minds would wish that upon their own club for Gods sake.No, IF guilty,fine them again and then Chelsea should give Kenyon the sack and sue him for all the money that he has cost the club.In short,ruin the prick.He is the one who needs taking down a peg or two,not Chelsea.

Yah, Pete your right. Chelsea havent been found guilty of anything yet, and we should wait and see. As for the statement about people wanting a point deduction, i dont think I was in my right mind with that one: A fine will probably be the result, because Spurs have shot themselves in the foot, like you say. I just get so damned frustrated seeing the club constantly under scrutiny, and I just wish this way in which Kenyon apparrently conducts business would end once and for all, as hes dragging the damn club through the mud over and over. But like you and Vazza said, the best idea would have just been to not play ball with Spurs, and get them to report it right away.

Your spot on about Kenyon though: his antics have cost this club enough reputation. Enough is enough.

Thats cool Balla ...we are all embarrased and frustrated by Kenyons behaviour.I just wanna see him kicked out to tell the truth,he is a complete asshole.I hoped Roman might have felt the same too.......... :ewan:

All of them look fake

i hope so se7en...'cos they are ugly man............... (N)

Would look better if this man was wearing them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/4621425.stm

Would look better if this man was wearing them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/4621425.stm
Bahhh! You beat me to it, albiet by a healthy margin. Damn your mod omnipresence! :taz:

Wow, what a rollercoaster day of Chelsea news. First, Spuds accept a bribe and temporarily spare Kenyon's balls from the bandsaw. Then Veron has supposedly gone to inter, and then hes been loaned for 2 more years :| Thanks again Peter! :nape:

Now, Shaun Wright-Phillips could be a Chelsea boy. 23 years old with pace, skill, finishing, strength and a bright future. Joaquin of course wouldve been nice too, but SWP is Premiership Tested, and obviously price isnt much of an issue. If its true, great news, and im sure he wont mind that potential away uni!

Now, im wondering whats going to happen with the midfield: A midfielder was slated to be bought at the start of the summer. But now that parker is gone, thats two slots to fill, as well as a forward...if im not mistaken. I mean, I know that SWP is a winger and all, but a striker is a must, and I think thats clear to everyone. Since Wright-Phillips came, relatively speaking, outta nowhere, the next few weeks should be pretty fun. Hopefully Kenyon doesnt ruin it too much more!

Thats cool Balla ...we are all embarrased and frustrated by Kenyons behaviour.I just wanna see him kicked out to tell the truth,he is a complete asshole.I hoped Roman might have felt the same too.......... :ewan:
Im getting to this point too: marketing empire be damned, the guy is absolutely clueless, and this disaster with Inter id wanna say is the last straw. Now, it may be part of a larger agreement for the future regarding Mr. Adriano (ok, its far fetched, but still when someone suggested it, it seemed viable) but it just looks like more boobery. At the same time, Kenyon probably doesnt use the toilet without Roman knowing about it, so I have to think Roman is well aware of whats up. Id think though, that he would get tired of wasting money on fines for silly indescretions

Oh, and Se7en, the guy who gave those to me, CarefreeChris, is pretty damned reliable. I forgot to say, though that the home kit has a gold trim

The kit would be better if the gold was white IMO. Would look better, however the design is the standard Umbro design for the coming season.

I told several people on MSN how the kit would look ages ago - bar the gold.

That logo will only be used next season right? because frankly it sucks and it ruins the kits even more...oh and if you didn't get my drift I think they suck :(.

The logo is great, it is like the old one.

Anyway, did anyone notice with the EPL fixture that we have to travel away after our first 5 European fixtures?

I'd think that with so much money, Chelsea would have plans for a better stadium (like Bayern Munich and the Allianz), and bought a new striker even if it's for $60 million-their funds are unlimited. Peter Kenyon needs to start making some transfers or Chelsea aren't gonna win Champs League. Gudjonsson is only one player (a really good one though) but he deserves a better partner then Drogba.

The new jersey sponsors I think are Adidas or is that the season after?

Please make that gold thing on the home Jersey coloured white.

Chelsea should keep Crespo since they haven't yet realized how much money they have and how they really could buy every player in the world buy offering more money then imaginable to the club. Maybe though, Chelsea could offer AC Milan H.Crespo, and the 57 million pounds in exchange for Andriy Schevchenko. If AC Milan say no, then offer them 70 million pounds, no one in their right mind would refuse that.

well Crespo's wife would rather pose around the shops of Milan than London and seeing as she wears the trousers,Crespo dont wanna be at Chelsea.I for one dont want him at chelsea either,he is just not EPL material.
Stamford Bridge is being expanded,the hotels at one end of the ground will be demolished to make way for a new stand.It would be nice to have a state of the art stadium i suppose,but if it means moving from Fulham road then ,no thanks.
As for Sheva,i dont think he would fit in at Chelsea.He's been in Italy too long now and i think he would be a flop like Crespo.I would have Michael Owen over Sheva any day of the week.

Rob....the FA must have set those fixtures to have a dig at us i think mate.......they want to make life very difficult for Chelsea this coming season.I suppose slimy David Dein has asked them to help Arse out as much as possible.That guy should not be anywhere near the boardroom of the FA or the Premier League,its ridiculous.

The FA favors both sneaky London clubs. We have the hard fixtures, Everton away and Villa home. What are they thinking of? :(

The FA doesn't favour any one. They just want to make the playing field more even so they're not going to hand the big clubs easy fixtures. They're just trying to even out the playing field and you can't blame them.

Now, Chelsea are rumoured to be trying to get SW Phillips.

I agree about Owen, he's always been a good striker and I think that his reputation took a hit because he couldn't make miracles for Liverpool. He'd be great at Chelsea with Gudjonsson. Gudjonsson would be giving Owen such great passes that he doesn't get at Real Madrid that Owen would be scoring more then Henry.

Honestly, I think the favoritism argument about the scheduling is all in peoples heads. Mancs have that precept that the FA hate them, not without good cause, but its clear that schedule is gonna take its toll: hopefully the group can be won without too much bother, and second teamers can be put in the last qualifying games in order to spell the regulars....whoever they will be next year.

All this talk about Shevchenko coming to London, I think, is a bit too fanciful. A 70 million pound wage is absolutely mind blowing. To put it in perspective, thats about one thirtieth of Roman's liquid assets on the transfer fee alone. Honestly though, he is a great player and all that, and would be an immense credit to any side in the world, but when I think of Shevchenko, I think of him only in Red and Black, and id almost prefer to see it stay that way. More importantly, I dont want to rock the proverbial boat with Milan, becuase theyre one of the few friends Chelsea have got in the footballing world

Pete, do you know when that slated expansion is supposed to happen??? Id much rather the club exapnd the Bridge than build a whole new stadium, even if its the best in the world, but hopefully this will alleviate the problems regular attendees have in getting tickets during the season. I know the hotel was part of Bates's grand plan and all, but compared to a few thousand more seats and a bigger shed end, theres no comparison.

I'd think that with so much money, Chelsea would have plans for a better stadium (like Bayern Munich and the Allianz), and bought a new striker even if it's for $60 million-their funds are unlimited. Peter Kenyon needs to start making some transfers or Chelsea aren't gonna win Champs League. Gudjonsson is only one player (a really good one though) but he deserves a better partner then Drogba.

Actually, I think this team is virtually set to take the Champs league, as we saw at how close they came this year. One way or another a striker will be purchased, but Drogba isnt that bad, and Guddy has now found a role as a rotational guy who can be stuck as an attacking midfielder if needed. The problem is that Drogba cannot play alone up front because, while he is big and a great longball/cross target, the guy has feet of stone, and cant beat or out think defenses on his own, even with Robben and Duffa slotting them into him. With a craftier poacher, err, not Kezman, like say Owen up front with him, im convinced it will be a different story. I could very well be wrong, but there is is.

Oh yah, and everyone knows it by now, but Shaun Wright-Phillips, for the moment, is going nowhere. Apparrently that article from the BBC had its source in the Sun :|

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/4621425.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/4623521.stm

fùck off, Real :kader:

khm, news of the world, khm...

If they are set to win the Champ's League, then how. Even if that goal that knocked Chelsea out and didn't cross the line hadn't counted, Chelsea would still needed to have scored. A shoot out is never a guaranteed win. Chelsea couldn't score a goal against Liverpool and you can't just say that it was bad luck. It's sad how Liverpool have a better overall strike force then Chelsea even though Chelsea's the richest club. You don't need to be picky in choosing a striker when you're in need of one. Chelsea don't have to think wheather Schevchenko or Owen would look good in Blue or not. Liverpool weren't picky in buying a striker because Cisse was injured and they bought Morientes even though he wasn't elegible to play in the Champions League.

By the way, I think that rule where once you get traded and can't play for another club in the the same cup competition like FA Cup or Champion's League is really stupid and pointless.

Well, I dont like to give much credence to rampant speculation, but I would believe that Madrid at least inquired about Lamps in some capacity. However, while I have the utmost respect for their tradition and history, as well as their class, I cant really ever see a player that hasnt been slighted by the club leaving Chelsea, even for madrid. The wage is just too good, and the future too bright: theres plenty more to be won

If they are set to win the Champ's League, then how. Even if that goal that knocked Chelsea out and didn't cross the line hadn't counted, Chelsea would still needed to have scored. A shoot out is never a guaranteed win. Chelsea couldn't score a goal against Liverpool and you can't just say that it was bad luck.
First of all, Treble, let me say 'Welcome' to the board and thread, unless someone has already. Youve got some good input to share, and we hope to see you here more often :)

My point about the liverpool game isnt that Chelsea should have won it. It was more that advancing to the semi-finals was damned impressive. Consider what Arsenal have done in the last 10 years of the CL compared to Chelsea in the last 2. When your going up against the best sides in all of Europe, there is no such thing as domination...unless you want to buy all of their players.

Forget about leg one entirely: had chances bounced differently, Chelsea couldve won that one. Regarding the second leg, the reason Chelsea looked so impotent in that game was, to me, multifaceted. Liverpool was playing in a more defend and clear style, especially after that early goal. It had worked against Juve, and I doubt they were going to abandon it in their own home. Compound that with Duff being exhausted, Robben just getting back, and the whole team on a let down after winning the league, and I think the loss was understadable.

People who slag Kezman and Drogba for their lame performances in that game are doing so in error: Drogba had an excellent strike ratio when fit. Kezman was decent for the time he was given, and helped win the League Cup. Im not going to cast 32 million pounds worth of forwards out the window because of one game, when nobody was able to crack that defense.

It's sad how Liverpool have a better overall strike force then Chelsea even though Chelsea's the richest club.
Thats entirely debateable. If you stack Morientes, Cisse, Baros and say Mellor up against Drogba, Gudjohnsen, Kezman, and Forssell, then it would be tough to say which is better. Frankly, Id still bet on Chelsea there.

You don't need to be picky in choosing a striker when you're in need of one. Chelsea don't have to think wheather Schevchenko or Owen would look good in Blue or not. Liverpool weren't picky in buying a striker because Cisse was injured and they bought Morientes even though he wasn't elegible to play in the Champions League
Dont be picky in chosing a striker? That reasoning resulted in 15 million gone for Crespo and 18 for Mutu, as there was no examination of how their games would translate, or how they could adjust. Liverpool had a desperate need: Baros, Mellor, and Sinima-Pongoelle were their options. Morientes just made sense, and he was pretty cheap.

Personally, Id rather think as to whether a striker would work with the formation and game Chelsea seek to play, before buying them, rather than getting them, seeing them flop, and then releasing them or practically giving them away after having wasted a year of their careers and a spot on the roster. Id like Owen or Torres for aforementioned reasons. I dont want Shevchenko because he would cost an untold amount. Adriano is tantalizing, but investing so much in him or Sheva means that they have so much pressure to do the job, they might just fail. With investments like that, Roman is going to fall out of love with Chelsea pretty quick

Alternatively, the club should get a young, moldable striker that develops into a star, a la Bojinov who might not be that much. Martins might also be an option. But frankly, I cant take the kind of stirker issues the club had this year if it means winning the leauge at a trot, being a factor in every competition and getting to the doorstep of a European Cup Final (Y)

Of course you have to be picky when buying players. It's just that I don't see many options. Maybe they should give Kezman another chance.

If sources are to be believed, then it looks as if now Crespo will be coming back. What the hell is going on? :nape: I wouldnt mind giving him another chance, but a new striker in an absolute must, especially with Kezman looking to go out the door

Info on Kezza: Now holding talks with Athletico Madrid

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/4630923.stm

but in the same breath, theyre warning they wont give up Torres.

Now, here is the info on Crespo: Ill post this one

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/4629163.stm

Crespo in line for Chelsea return

Chelsea may order on-loan striker Hernan Crespo to return to Stamford Bridge to solve their striker shortage.
Crespo, who turns 30 on 5 July, spent last season at AC Milan and scored twice in the Champions League final.

He was expected to stay, but Chelsea want him back, according to Milan deputy chief executive Ariedo Braida.

Braida said: "Milan and Chelsea have an agreement for the renewal of the loan, but Chelsea are trying to convince him to stay in London."

Chelsea, who are again being linked with Real Madrid's England striker Michael Owen, have had a £30m bid for Juventus' David Trezeguet turned down.

The bid was revealed by the Turin giants, although Chelsea have declined to comment.

And Atletico Madrid are reported to have rebuffed an inquiry for Spanish international striker Fernando Torres.

Chelsea have also been linked with Samuel Eto'o of Barcelona and Andriy Shevchenko of AC Milan, without coming close to signing either.

Jose Mourinho made it clear at the start of the summer he wanted to buy a left-back, a midfielder and a striker.

His top scorer last season was midfielder Frank Lampard, as the likes of Didier Drogba and Mateja Kezman struggled to find top form.

Crespo fears the breakdown of a possible exchange deal involving AC Milan defender Kakha Kaladze may have wrecked his hopes of a permanent deal.

"I'm not tranquil. I try not thinking and I wait to know what my future will be," Crespo told Italian newspaper Gazzetta dello Sport.

"I want to talk with Chelsea, I don't know when, maybe in these next days.

"I wait for my agent to define a meeting, he is trying to tell me to be calm.

"Surely Kaladze's negotiation has been involved in mine and something went in a bad way.

"But I'm absolutely confident in my agent Fernando Hidalgo who is working in a really good way to convince Chelsea."

Here is an excellent read, also from the BBC, on the striker issue

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/4627135.stm

Why can't Chelsea sign a striker?
By Andrew McKenzie and Dan Warren

Despite the millions of pounds at Chelsea's disposal, the Blues are yet to land the world-class striker manager Jose Mourinho craves.

And, amid rumours they are now trying to bring want-away forward Hernan Crespo back from his loan at AC Milan, it appears they are ready to admit defeat.

Roman Abramovich's millions got Chelsea the best manager money can buy.

It got them Manchester United's chief executive, Tottenham's sporting director and a squad full of star players - and some would argue it got them the Premiership title.

Yet despite more than £200m being spent on new talent, the Stamford Bridge faithful await the arrival of a genuine striking star.

It is not for want of trying.

Look at the six that got away. Inter Milan's Adriano, Barcelona's Samuel Eto'o, Arsenal's Thierry Henry, AC Milan's Andriy Shevchenko, Juventus' David Trezeguet and Atletico Madrid's Fernando Torres have all been linked with a move to Chelsea - but all are still with their clubs.

If the speculation is to be believed, the Blues' combined bids for the six players totals a gargantuan £335m.

Clearly this is not a case of Chelsea undervaluing the players. So why are they not willing to come?

THE SIX THAT GOT AWAY
Adriano - Inter Milan
Inter stubbornly refusing to let their prize asset go

S Eto'o - Barcelona
Mourinho's bust-up didn't help - nor did English weather

T Henry - Arsenal
Poor relations with Gunners after Ashley Cole affair

A Shevchenko - AC Milan
Milan legend - even a bid of £60m+ not enough to lure him

F Torres - Atletico Madrid
Remains loyal to his club - and his club are loyal to him

D Trezeguet - Juventus
Quite simply not for sale, say the Italians

Spanish football journalist Andy Mitten highlighted some of the reasons behind the refusal of Eto'o to move.

"I know Eto'o, I've interviewed him several times this year," he told BBC Sport.

"He loves living in Barcelona, as does his wife. It's a wonderful city to live in. His first season in Barcelona has been a huge success.

"He's adored by the public. He's playing in the biggest stadium in Europe, watched by the highest average crowds in Europe and he believes in this 'more than a club' ethic.

"And the weather is better."

Chelsea fans probably felt the sun was always shining on Stamford Bridge last season as they strolled to the Premiership title - but although the side does not lack quality, even ardent fans would admit that someone to lead the front line would be a huge boost.

The Blues' top scorer last season was midfielder Frank Lampard. Eidur Gudjohnsen is not an out-an-out striker, while Didier Drogba and Mateja Kezman both failed to fire in their first season at the club.

Indeed, Kezman seems to be bound for Atletico Madrid - but not with Torres moving in the opposition direction.

Mourinho has had no difficulty bringing in Athletic Bilbao left-back Asier del Horno and are still hopeful of signing Lyon midfielder Michael Essien, although the French club remain adamant their man will not be leaving.

But his search for a striker has so far drawn a blank - and not just because of the weather.

One problem for the Londoners is that the players they are trying to attract are already at big clubs.

It is one thing persuading Arjen Robben to leave PSV Eindhoven or Scott Parker to turn his back on Charlton - another to convince Eto'o to move from Barcelona.

Money has got them so far, but it appears Chelsea still cannot match the pulling power of some of Europe's more established clubs.

The other problem is convincing the clubs to sell their star men.

Mitten adds: "Everyone is waiting for the big centre-forward signing, but I'm not sure it will happen.

"Teams like Juventus and Barcelona are not going to let their star players go to a team who will be their rivals in Europe next year."

A prolific forward can be the difference to winning or losing the Champions League.

That can translate to £45m in the bank, and therefore it makes little sense to cash him in to one of your rivals.

As Mourinho admitted: "It is very difficult for Chelsea to sign players because the team is already good and great clubs want to keep their best players."

Football agent Jeff Weston believes there may be time for Chelsea to get their man.

He said: "Any player would be interested in playing for Chelsea because they are successful at the moment. All any player wants is to be at the top of their profession.

"And there's plenty of time left this summer."

The only problem is theyre confusing rumor with fact, alluding to all these supposed 60 million pound bids for Adriano and Sheva that might have been complete BS. I still hope the club never actually put in for Eto'o, but this article is claiming it was done, so again, its dubious in that department. In any event, a front four of Guddy-Drogba-Crespo-Owen will at least be decent without having the necesscity of using up too much cash.

In any event, this is getting to be almost embarrassing

http://img252.echo.cx/img252/9406/centenaryoutfieldhome2nm.jpg


Thanks to curs.

They look good. (Y)

Old kits were better. I wish they'd just stick with the old kits and just change the sponsor to Samsung or whoever.

http://img252.echo.cx/img252/2352/centenaryoutfieldaway1ft.jpg

Why sky blue?

If the colour of Chelsea is Blue, wouldn't it make sense to have a white shirt with blue shorts instead of black on the away kits.

lucas Podolski is the perfect forward for chelsea he is young (20 i think) and i think he would be a great fit

Oh man I agree with that. Podolski is awesome and I'm surprised that the hype which was with Rooney isn't around him. I'd want him to move to Chelsea but since my favourite team is Bayern Munich-I'd rather have hime in Munich although they don't need a striker. I really think that Germany is a good place for Chelsea to buy players without being rejected. Offer FC Cologne a good sum for Podolski and I guarentee you he'll be at the Bridge.

Podolski wouldn't join. He's very loyal to Koln and even stayed when they were relegated, so i doubt he would leave when they're back in the top flight. He has a contract until 2007 and Bayern is probably where he'll go IF he does leave Koln, which won't be anytimes soon.

Oh BTW, great kits!

Thanks for posting those, Duffer, but I agree with Treble: wouldve just liked to see last years kits retained with a new sponsor. Maybe thats cause were attached to them, but they had to do something different for the Centeniary. Dunno why sky blue though, but as a kit I dont think that one will look half bad

Anyway, bigger news on the night: Kezman is history

Chelsea striker Mateja Kezman has agreed terms on a three-year deal with Atletico Madrid, and will undergo a medical on Wednesday before completing his switch to La Liga.

The Serbia & Montenegro international flew to the Spanish capital on Tuesday afternoon for talks over a move to Atletico.

Kezman has held talks with Atletico and club president Enrique Cerezo says that there is a total agreement between both clubs and the player over his move.

Cerezo says that the only minor details to be sorted out are between Kezman and Chelsea.
http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=287983&cpid=23&CLID=&lid=2&title=Kezman+move+agreed&channel=football_home

Ok, im not gonna say 'good' or make some comment about the door hitting him on the ass on the way out. He came for not that much cash, he probably helped Robben settle in a bit being friends with him, he popped a few in against relegation calibre teams on very little or no time, he played with his heart and paid for it in cards, and he got the winning goal in the Carling Cup. I know how hard the year was on him as a player, but he tried his damnest out there, and I wish him the best. Hope he becomes Forlan II and rips La Liga to shreds....especally Barca (H)

ooo nice kits (Y)

Chelsea need a nu striker.

Scheva ,Eto', Trezi , Adriano etc have all declined to sign on ...( I dont blame em, its quiet a change in style between EPL & the continent)

Who should chelsea look @ now to partenr Drogba ( he seems to be stayin) and it looks like Kezmans leaving ( possibly to Atletico) which is a good move cos he moved to a HUGE club 2 soon. atletico will help him gain confidence and game time ( ala Forlan)


I say they must consider W. Pandiani ( Deportivo)

- He doesnt want o be @ Depo anymore
- They can get him for 2-3 million pounds
- Zargoza want him, but he'd want to saty in the Premeir ship
- He's got expeinerce in playing in England & did fairly welll
- good in the air as well


What yal think?

If U disagree, name some one else

Didn't Bayern get Podolski's Transfer rights?

Yeah, he would solve our striker problem. But I have a feeling he won't adjust to EPL. :(


Lineup:
--------Cech--------
Horno--Terry--Gallas--R.Carra
--Cole---Lampard--Robben
---------------Guddi
--Owen--Drogba------
or Podolski.


I mean if Podolski doesn't want to come, then we should get Owen.

Lineup:
--------Cech--------
Horno--Terry--Gallas--R.Carra
--Cole---Lampard--Robben
---------------Guddi
---------Drogba------


In football, a team starts with 11 players. :fool:

It is a horrible lineup regardless.

http://img252.echo.cx/img252/2352/centenaryoutfieldaway1ft.jpg

Showing some love to Man City

These kit makers better straighten out their designs, or else!

the Chelsea Lineup

---------------------------------Cech--------------------------------
P.Ferreria-----------J.Terry-------------R.Carvalho---------A.Del Horno-------------------------------------Makalele-------------------------------------------------------Lampard-------------Cole-----------------------------Duff---------------------------------------------Robben-------------------------------------------------Gudjonsen------------------------------

Backups

Cudicini
G.Johnson
R.Huth
W.Gallas
W.Bridge
Thiago
Geremi
Drogba
N.Moraisis

http://www.muzikmafia.com/images/artist_images/artist_10.jpg

Didn't Bayern get Podolski's Transfer rights?

I mean if Podolski doesn't want to come, then we should get Owen.

I am of the opinion that we should get Owen anyway...as he might be relatively easy to pry away, and cheap, when he gets wind of Chelsea's intrest. It seems, actually, that the guy was in London, specifically, Surrey houseshopping recently, so clearly he thinks he has a future somewhere in London.
the Chelsea Lineup

---------------------------------Cech--------------------------------
P.Ferreria-----------J.Terry-------------R.Carvalho---------A.Del Horno-------------------------------------Makalele-------------------------------------------------------Lampard-------------Cole-----------------------------Duff---------------------------------------------Robben-------------------------------------------------Gudjonsen------------------------------

Backups

Cudicini
G.Johnson
R.Huth
W.Gallas
W.Bridge
Thiago
Geremi
Drogba
N.Moraisis
After I quoted your lineup, it became balanced again. Strange. Anyway, your point of Cole as the third midfielder is the one I wanted to discuss. Many feel that he merits being put back on the bench with a fit Duffer and Robben back, but with his ability to adjust to what Jose wanted earlier this season I think the guy can be plopped in midfield and make the best of it. Tiago is great and all, but Joe is a rising star. Only problem is its gonna restrict Lamps going forward and if that happens, then nobody's gonna frigging score.

Bobby, you loveable bastard you :)

As it is, here is the big news: Gianfranco Zola has called it quits

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/4633563.stm

Edit: As always, i was beaten to the punch :|
Robs Thread: http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?t=124471&page=1

Chelsea legend Zola ends career

Former Chelsea and Italy striker Gianfranco Zola has quit the game, a week before his 39th birthday.

Zola had a fine season in Serie A with Cagliari, leading to speculation he might play on for another 12 months.

But the former Napoli and Parma star, a legend at Stamford Bridge, has confirmed he will now retire.

He said: "It was not an easy decision, but I felt an ever stronger desire to dedicate myself to things that I have neglected over these years."

Zola, who moved to Stamford Bridge from Parma for £4.5m in 1996, played for Chelsea for seven years but returned to Italy to finish his career with Cagliari.

He scored 80 goals and helped the club win six trophies during his seven seasons at Stamford Bridge.

What a legend. Someone on another forum immediately suggested a petition for the club to get a statue of him outside the Bridge and ill pass that along if it ever comes to fruition. I dearly hope the guy joins the front office or the bench, or just gets a spot somewhere with the club, because with all the negative press around the club right now, his class and humility is just whats needed

http://www.soccernet.com/images/us/20030221/s_zola_vt.jpg

zo long and thank you :jap:

Golden Arrow, I think that Pandiani can be good in the Premiership but he's not going to be any better then Drogba for Chelsea. The club is Chelsea, not Newcastle United or Liverpool so we can pretty much afford any player in the world and Pandiani isn't exactly the best although he's good. It'd just make more sense to buy Owen because you could get him from Real Madrid by using money. You can't buy Eto'o or Sheva or Henry, etc by offering money. It'd work on Owen though and he's still one of the best strikers in the world. Maybe his reputation took a small hit when he was with Liverpool because he couldn't save the team like everyone expected including Houllier.

Hope someday he comes to coach/whatever Chelsea. (Y)

U know what Im starting to hate bout chelsea, is that its become a cheque book club. Sort of a club U come to to ensure U get a really nice financial cushion for when they retire.

Theres no loyalty or passion for the club...its just become about MONEY!!

And the real danger is , it could become a club full of mercinaries ...

just check what happens if they dont win anything? Are they going to be united, work harder and make a comeback next season.

Or r they going to be divisions and cliques developnig and guys start thinking bout renegotiating contracts or look for moves elsewhere ...Real Madrid etc... because these are clubs wherethey can win things

U know what Im starting to hate bout chelsea, is that its become a cheque book club. Sort of a club U come to to ensure U get a really nice financial cushion for when they retire.

Theres no loyalty or passion for the club...its just become about MONEY!!

And the real danger is , it could become a club full of mercinaries ...

just check what happens if they dont win anything? Are they going to be united, work harder and make a comeback next season.

Or r they going to be divisions and cliques developnig and guys start thinking bout renegotiating contracts or look for moves elsewhere ...Real Madrid etc... because these are clubs wherethey can win things

Dont take this the wrong way, but youre sounding like the millions of jackasses that talk endlessly about Chelsea as if theyre the first team to ever buy players in a transfer market: Oh your players are mercenaries, oh its all about the money. Maybe Roman's first season was like that, but you need to do some research on how Mourinho runs the team. There is a reason he doesnt buy primmadonnas and superstars, as he wants younger, hungry players who dont get complacent, and he wants to be able to mold them into a cohesive group. His desire to win is like a force of nature and he wont let any bad attitude bitch ruin that. Look at the dedication the team has now: Lamps, Terry, Duffer, Joe Cole, Guddy, they all love Chelsea dearly now because theyre doing fantastic for one of the worlds top sides. Would Gallas have been crying on the pitch of Anfield in the CL semifinal if he didnt care about Chelsea and only cared about the money? Think about those things first: Yes, there probably are a few mercenaries, but its all for the club and one for all under Jose, and thats how it should be

Mourinho's created loyalty in the club inluding with all the Portuguesse players. I can't think of a single bitchy player in Chelsea. Look at their back up goalie Carlo Cudicini who could be starting for Italy, he hasn't left yet even though he's a backup-that's loyalty and I like Cudicini even if he doesn't have the invincibility that Cech has but who does nowadays. That's why Chelsea go after players like Michael Owen and Steven Gerard because they're good player who work hard and don't complain.

If u r looking for players like that u can bid Saviola :ewan:

Saviola, now that's a good idea. How old is he anyways?

i dont remember but i guess it 25 years old or younger, anyway is a good players
and u can bet he is never going to complain...

Yah, he doesn't have the prestige thing about him which isn't bad because that means he'll always be judged based on his performance unlike Raul, Ronaldo, etc.

Don't worry about it though, I'm sure that there'll be a world class striker at Stamford Bridge by the end of the summer, maybe two of them.

He is too short.

dosen't matter aren't you trying to get owen too isn't he short

He is too short.
For what exactly?

If he where a keeper I'd understand where you where comming from.

He is too short, Mourinho won't sign him, Mourinho does not like short players the size of Saviola upfront.

Saviola is 169 cm compared to Owens 176cm.

Owen is short yes, but he isnt thatshort that Mourinho would not sign him.

There are other short players in our team, but where any of them Mourinho signings? And look at all of his signings, and previous teams, almost all the players are fairly tall, and by no means small, I mean Deco is bigger then Owen in height.

Chelsea love playing the long balls in and getting crosses in from DUff n co he is too short to head the ball or hold it up

I'd had thought of Saviola in the past as I had always thought fondly of the guy (wasnt "the rabbit" his nickname? gotta love that) but the problems with obtaining him are three-fold: actually getting him from Barca, who now hate Chelsea, ensuring he is of the class and role needed, and yes, his size.
Chelsea love playing the long balls in and getting crosses in from DUff n co he is too short to head the ball or hold it up
dosen't matter aren't you trying to get owen too isn't he short
I know Owen is small too but he has proven, I say again proven to be effective, even as a lone striker in England.
For what exactly?
If he where a keeper I'd understand where you where comming from.
Its not only what rob points to, as in Jose's preference for larger players, but its also about the system. I know you were talking about Saviola, but if Michael Owen is the one signing for the striker spot (he wont be, but lets speak hypothetically) the 4-3-3 which Chelsea excelled with this season may have to be rubbished. That is why so many people believe only an Adriano or Fernando Torres type (i.e. big, strong target men who also possess blistering pace and a deadeye for goal) are the ones to get. The thing with a small striker like Owen is that if he comes to Chelsea he will have an Emile Hesky waiting for him in Drogba. Again, that would require playing two up front, and thus, Robben and Duff would be put in akward spots.

Personally, I want Owen and thats all there is to it. If he comes, and Crespo returns, then I would rather just play Johnson as the third winger, or get a lesser winger like an Andy Van der Meyde or someone of that calibre to "fill in" when needed, but definately not a Joaquin or SWP.

Anyway, with Owen supposedly house hunting near Cobham, I think a resolution to all this is bound to come by next week. Lets hope for the best (Y)

to what club did Forssell go?

Here is my suggestion. I know it is a bit of a stretch, but still I am sure it'd be successful for the Blues.

Have Crespo return from loan and buy Saviola. These two players have great chemistry. I am sure it would work out. Only problem would be that Drogba would have problems about not playing.

This would help Argentina out too for the upcoming World Cup. And also Michael Owen would stay in Madrid. :)


to what club did Forssell go?

Birmingham

Can somebody give me a link to a site that has info about the contracts of Chelsea's players?

And Saviola is 23

Did you try out the Chelsea homepage?

I hear Arsenal and Barca met and the apperent discussions were about G-14 clubs barring transfers to Chelsea. Honest.

Thoughts?

Then I guess Milan won't get Crespo. *tear*

Then I guess Milan won't get Crespo. *tear*
I didn't know you could force players against thier will.
Because if you could, one would've thought Crespo would be back with Chelsea already.

Here is my suggestion. I know it is a bit of a stretch, but still I am sure it'd be successful for the Blues.

Have Crespo return from loan and buy Saviola. These two players have great chemistry. I am sure it would work out. Only problem would be that Drogba would have problems about not playing.

This would help Argentina out too for the upcoming World Cup. And also Michael Owen would stay in Madrid. :)
An intresting idea, no doubt. But apparrently, Barca would be hard (or impossible....sore losing sods) to negociate with. However, if it were possible I wouldnt be completely opposed to it, being that Crespo would cost nothing...obviously.

Can somebody give me a link to a site that has info about the contracts of Chelsea's players?
Footballtransfers.info is a great site, but its offline right now or something. Try again in a week or so, se7en (Y)

I hear Arsenal and Barca met and the apperent discussions were about G-14 clubs barring transfers to Chelsea. Honest.

Thoughts?
Arsenal I understand. I think the Cole-gate thing was half the concoction of Zhavi in an attempt to fatten his payday, but Kenyon and Jose likely met with them knowing that even if they didnt manage to get Cole in the end, they would kinda screw the process of his new contract so bad and maybe force a move.

But Barca are just sad. Jose made one arrogant comment before the tie, as did Rijkaard, but they ran their mouths like nothing else between the ties, were so brash and arrogant about predicting victory, then they lost under admittedly dubious circumstances (but these things happen in any game, so that argument was crap) and they try to incite a mini-riot after they lose, Eto'o spits on a steward, and then alleges racism, a claim which was never corroborated. That was disgraceful, and they have no reason to be mad at Chelsea, except for the fact that they were beaten, end of. Chelsea have never done them over in the transfer market, never defamed their club, yet they just cant let go. For a team with such a glorious history you'd think they could just get over it.

Anyway, about the ban? Fine, I say let them try it. But I get the feeling that Marseillse, Porto and Milan wont play ball as theyve all benifeted in some way in the last couple of years. And even if they get it passed, the team as per "the plan" has a young, developing squad which can get by as is aswell as filling spots by recruiting from smaller clubs. We'll have to see though. This will be an intresting situation to monitor. (C)

P.S. Cowboy Troy is chud

I didn't know you could force players against thier will.
Because if you could, one would've thought Crespo would be back with Chelsea already.
Well, I think its obvious that Crespo will go where he gets paid. If he really really wont go back to London, then something can and will be worked out where they just get him for whatever meager fee, G-14 be damned.

His awful time in London was, and this is just what I hear, because his wife miscarried and became miserable. Thus she doesnt want to come back because of that. I think if the conditions were right, he could come back of his own volition and if he can stay injury free, then I think he could be a success. All in all, though, Id rather the guy gets his deal in Milan because he seems to be happier there, where it clearly works rather than trying to make it work in London. And yah, I realize that means buying 2 strikers this summer. Damn your love of coke, Mutu

Thanks. I'm back to the posting ways around here :)
I'd be so glad if Crespo won't be at Chelsea, we don't need him.

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Kaladze stays with Milan

Chelsea target Kakha Kaladze has ended speculation over his future by signing a new deal at Milan.

The Georgian international was strongly linked with a move to Stamford Bridge earlier in the summer.

However, the signing of Asier Del Horno from Athletic Bilbao appears to have ended Chelsea's interest in Kaladze.

Milan have moved to tie him down to a new long-term contract with Rossoneri director Ariedo Braida claiming the contract will keep the full back at the Giuseppe Meazza until 2010.

Kaladze admitted he was disappointed to see his proposed move to Chelsea fall through, but was looking forward to staying at Milan.

"Surely I'm a little disappointed for the way in which things with Chelsea went, but I can do nothing," Kaladze told Gazetta dello Sport.

"I'm a Milan player and surely this isn't a bad situation. If the two clubs haven't found an agreement for the moment I can say I'll remain a Milan player."

G14?............F.u.c.k the lot of them.......would UEFA actually support a boycott?.....i dont think so.........
If a player WANTS to come to Chelsea then they will come......if they dont wanna come then we dont want them,its as simple as that

I'd be so glad if Crespo won't be at Chelsea, we don't need him.


We'll, he might need to come back to Chelsea if we can't get a damn striker.

we'll get one man no worries,and he dont need to be a superstar.Jose will turn him into one if his attitude is right.I still think its gonna be Owen though.....at least i hope so.

Im not too won over by Jose's prowess in the transfer market, but I have no doubt that he can make a player great when the lad fits and has a role in the club: everyone always talks about his confidence and how it gets translated.

Anyway, I too think Owen has to be number one. If Crespo wont come back, and Adriano cant be had then Fernando Torres is the other man. Hopefully, this will be the last summer of splashing 40 million out to refit a strike force....but who knows

Yeah i agree man.....i think Jose was a little too quick to let Forsell go to be honest,but anyway you never know,Drogba might set the Prem alight this year too.To be fair to Jose though,if all you are gonna do is hunt down the big names,who are important members of their current teams,then the chances of the club letting them go are nil,unless they badly need the money.If a club do not need the money but they are willing to part with a player ,well,that dont say very much about how important he is to that club does it.So i gotta admit i'm pretty pleased that we haven't wasted any money as yet and there is still plenty of time to find the right guy.Players like Baptista are good players but they are money whores.He's coming to the prem for the money and for no other reason.He is a mercenary.If Seville could have matched or bettered Arsenals wages he would not be coming at all.The same goes for Eto and Adriano.All these players used Chelsea as a lever in negotiating better deals for themselves this year.They show interest in us just to put the fear of Christ into their clubs.They tell us they might be interested in coming,so Jose looks into it,but they have no intention of leaving their clubs at all.They get a better deal,Jose ends up looking silly as do the club.So,players are not refusing to come to Chelsea.These players never intended to leave their current clubs in the first place.Money whores all of them.To be honest i'm not worried at all.I still think we will dominate this coming season whatever happens.Ahhhhhhhh........ its great to be a blue :rockman:

juve are gonna buy vieri for free and sell u trezeguet. or u might just get vieri

The same goes for Eto and Adriano.All these players used Chelsea as a lever in negotiating better deals for themselves this year.They show interest in us just to put the fear of Christ into their clubs.They tell us they might be interested in coming,so Jose looks into it,but they have no intention of leaving their clubs at all.They get a better deal,Jose ends up looking silly as do the club.So,players are not refusing to come to Chelsea.These players never intended to leave their current clubs in the first place.Money whores all of them.To be honest i'm not worried at all.I still think we will dominate this coming season whatever happens.Ahhhhhhhh........ its great to be a blue :rockman:Eto'o never showed interest in Chelsea.. Chelsea made the offer. He would be a money whore if he had signed for Chelsea. The money is the only reason why a Barça player would move to Chelsea.

Eto'o never showed interest in Chelsea.. Chelsea made the offer. He would be a money whore if he had signed for Chelsea. The money is the only reason why a Barça player would move to Chelsea.

so did Barca pay Eto more money to make him stay?.......yes they did ....and if you think he stayed for any other reason ,then you are crazy mate.

If he went to Chelsea it would not have been for the money?

so did Barca pay Eto more money to make him stay?.......yes they did ....and if you think he stayed for any other reason ,then you are crazy mate.

No. Eto'o got a derserved pay increase.

Eto'o to Chelsea??
Dreaming instead

If he went to Chelsea it would not have been for the money?


yes it would have been for the money, because he is a money whore.

A deserved pay increase?....hhahahahahahaha....that has got to be sarcasm man......very funny......... :)

And UFO.....if you dony get it by now ....Chelsea fans would not want an asshole like Eto at our club thank you very much.Anyone who wants to spit or make false racial allegations should be banned for a very long time.If he would have come to Chelsea....the fans would have killed him........ :hump:

G14?............F.u.c.k the lot of them.......would UEFA actually support a boycott?.....i dont think so.........
If a player WANTS to come to Chelsea then they will come......if they dont wanna come then we dont want them,its as simple as that

UEFA can't do anything about it, if Arsenal want Cole to rot in the reserves instead of crossing London, they can. He's under contract, he signed it.

so did Barca pay Eto more money to make him stay?.......yes they did ....and if you think he stayed for any other reason ,then you are crazy mate.Eto'o got the raise that Laporta promised him a year ago and there's no one who deserves it more than him. Just like Deco, who also rejected Chelsea.

And UFO.....if you dony get it by now ....Chelsea fans would not want an asshole like Eto at our club thank you very much.Thank you? for what? no one offered you Eto'o.

Does he have to be offered for someone not to want him at their club?

I am sure you wouldn't want Mourinho at your club anymore, but did we offer him?

hiya Rob.......man its like talking to retards in here sometimes....they just dont understand anything............ :kader:

Not you Bobby.......well i get your point but then if we wanted someone so badly i think we would buy out the contract.Only a club with no class would be happy to see a player rot away for 2 years man....thats just vindictive :ewan:

Does he have to be offered for someone not to want him at their club?

I am sure you wouldn't want Mourinho at your club anymore, but did we offer him?If Barça made an offer for Mourinho I would think that Laporta is crazy.

I wouldn't reject him as if Mourinho was who offered himself to Barça. It wouldn't make any sense.

If Barça made an offer for Mourinho I would think that Laporta is crazy.

I wouldn't reject him as if Mourinho was who offered himself to Barça. I wouldn't make any sense.
Do you now see how Chelsea fans feel about Eto'o? Dont want him, and though they need a striker, there are plenty more to be had.

Eto'o to Chelsea??
Dreaming instead
Hows Lazio doing?

I dont understand why all you Barca fans are so damn embittered. You hate our club like you hate Madrid and it was your players, not ours who did the talking. Then, your manager lied about talking to the ref and was found out. So who was the offending party in all that. To me, your club was just another opponent in the Champs league, yet somehow it became ultra personal for you lot and frankly it doesnt make any sense

A big surprise would be Tevez coming, he transfered earlier to Corinthians, which is supported financially by Roman, so he can come for a lower transfer fee at Chelsea

I dont understand why all you Barca fans are so damn embittered. You hate our club like you hate Madrid and it was your players, not ours who did the talking. Then, your manager lied about talking to the ref and was found out. So who was the offending party in all that. To me, your club was just another opponent in the Champs league, yet somehow it became ultra personal for you lot and frankly it doesnt make any senseYou've written in this thread about "the ugly Barça" and "the ugly Eto'o" more than all the Barça fans about Chelsea in the whole forum.

I think you're who has not forgotten and you're lying to yourself.

I dont hate chelsea... maybe mourinho a little bit.. :rolleyes:

A deserved pay increase?....hhahahahahahaha....that has got to be sarcasm man......very funny......... :)

What's there to understand? It's the truth, come to terms with it already. And if anyone is a retard, it's you. If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were a down's syndrome victim, but in Internet format.

A big surprise would be Tevez coming, he transfered earlier to Corinthians, which is supported financially by Roman, so he can come for a lower transfer fee at Chelsea
Im wary of Tevez: while he might by a dynamo as far as talent is concerned, he seems to have personal issues which give me flashbacks of Mutu's adventures :|

Jose wont have a guy who rocks the boat

You've written in this thread about "the ugly Barça" and "the ugly Eto'o" more than all the Barça fans about Chelsea in the whole forum.

I think you're who has not forgotten and you're lying to yourself.
Let me make this absolutely clear: I cant like Samuel Eto'o, nor can I forgive him, not that he gives a fark, obviously. Many Chelsea fans feel the same way. What he did was beyond classless, and while our manager may act out of his place more often than I like, he is still ours and we must defend him. I also dont like Rijkaard for what he did and said. Outside of that, even with guys who ran their mouths, I have no issue. Deco, Ronaldinho, Xavi, Gio, they all seem like decent guys to me, and have talent in spades to a riddiculous degree.

My irritation at the whole thing came back when across numerous Chelsea boards on the web, Barca fans registered just to celebrate the victory of Liverpool and talk endless sh*t. So if I come across as sore, its not out of malace. I dont want Eto'o at Chelsea, and I think he is an "ugly" character, but thats about as far as my dislike goes. I know alot of you SG Barca crowd are very decent guys, so im hoping wecan all just bury this hatchet right here and now :jap:

So how much are you willing to pay for Jon Obi Mikel? 25 mill+Robben and Terry should suffice.

my god Barca fans really have no reason to be mad or hate Chelsea. Mourinho was right about Rijkaard and the ref, no racsm was done towards Eto'o and they we beaten fairly over what was one of the best 2 games between a club in CL in the past 10 years or so IMO. i think it's time u all just move on as Chelsea has not done anything wrong to Barca. unlike what they did to Arsenal.

plus as a Barca fan ( my first soccer jersey i had was given to me for my birthday when i was 4 by my spanish neighbours was a Barca jersey, which is the reason why they are 1 of the three teams i support only, and no i don't support Chelsea i just sympathize with the portuguese at the club) i wouldn't not want Eto'o on my team. If i had the chance to replace him with an Adriano, Gilardino, Torres i would in a sec. THE MAN IS A MONEY WHORE. the only reason why he stayed was because Barca offered more cash. I can't forgive Eto'o for the way he burned his team after HE failed, not the team, to win the leading scorer. HE was the one who missed an open net that would of won it for him against Sociedad. THE GREATER GOOD OF THE TEAM SHOULD ALWAYS BE PUT AHEAD OF THE GOOD OF THE INDIVIDUAL.

P.S to the guy who said Deco rejected Chelsea, you are horribly wrong. Deco rejected Mourinho, cuz they never really got along.

This makes no sense really.. Barça fans what?

People just said how/why Eto'o got a raise..

Who hates who?

Thank you for your opinion anyway..

:boohoo:

This makes no sense really.. Barça fans what?

People just said how/why Eto'o got a raise..

Who hates who?

Uhh, ok. I hate Eto'o...and Rijkaard....and your more arrogant fans. Thats it

my god Barca fans really have no reason to be mad or hate Chelsea. Mourinho was right about Rijkaard and the ref, no racsm was done towards Eto'o and they we beaten fairly over what was one of the best 2 games between a club in CL in the past 10 years or so IMO. i think it's time u all just move on as Chelsea has not done anything wrong to Barca. unlike what they did to Arsenal.

plus as a Barca fan ( my first soccer jersey i had was given to me for my birthday when i was 4 by my spanish neighbours was a Barca jersey, which is the reason why they are 1 of the three teams i support only, and no i don't support Chelsea i just sympathize with the portuguese at the club) i wouldn't not want Eto'o on my team. If i had the chance to replace him with an Adriano, Gilardino, Torres i would in a sec. THE MAN IS A MONEY WHORE. the only reason why he stayed was because Barca offered more cash. I can't forgive Eto'o for the way he burned his team after HE failed, not the team, to win the leading scorer. HE was the one who missed an open net that would of won it for him against Sociedad. THE GREATER GOOD OF THE TEAM SHOULD ALWAYS BE PUT AHEAD OF THE GOOD OF THE INDIVIDUAL.

P.S to the guy who said Deco rejected Chelsea, you are horribly wrong. Deco rejected Mourinho, cuz they never really got along.
Thanks for some piece of mind here. If I could rep a post, I would definately give you one here
Thank you for your opinion anyway..

:boohoo:
See, even he liked it!

So how much are you willing to pay for Jon Obi Mikel? 25 mill+Robben and Terry should suffice.
Actually, Chelseanomics state that we would just take his real value, and add about 270% to it!

In all seriousness though, that whole situation could be a dangerous precedent. Presidents signing players without their consent? Agents and team officials pulling a player in different directions? I resepect the fact that the boy is contractually tied to Man United, but if his signature got there in the manner his agent claims it did, then I think its only fair he be let out of it. At which time neither Chelsea or Man United should be allowed to sign him, just as a matter of fairness. Ok, thats unrealistic but still...

Mikel looked damn good in the U20 final today, though. The ball seemed to flow forward only through him for Nigeria. He seems like a real playmaker...

Imagine that Barça made an offer for Lampard and you go to the Barça thread to explain why Lampard has renewed his contract.

Then I reply:
I dont understand why all you Chelsea fans are so damn embittered. You hate our club like you hate Arsenal and it was your coach, not ours who did the talking. Then, your manager lied about talking to the ref and was found out. So who was the offending party in all that. To me, Mourinho was punished and I have nothing to add, yet somehow it became ultra personal for you lot and frankly it doesnt make any sense



You would think that I'm a lunatic..

This makes no sense really.. Barça fans what?

People just said how/why Eto'o got a raise..

Who hates who?

Thank you for your opinion anyway..

:boohoo:

you may not like my opinion, but it's so obvious that many Barca fans hate Chelsea not for Chelsea doing something wrong to Barca, like trying to tap up a Barca player or making false allegations, but they hate chelsea for the simple fact that Barca's CL hopes were crushed

Imagine that Barça made an offer for Lampard and you go to the Barça thread to explain why Lampard has renewed his contract.

Then I reply:
I dont understand why all you Chelsea fans are so damn embittered. You hate our club like you hate Arsenal and it was your coach, not ours who did the talking. Then, your manager lied about talking to the ref and was found out. So who was the offending party in all that. To me, Mourinho was punished and I have nothing to add, yet somehow it became ultra personal for you lot and frankly it doesnt make any sense



You would think that I'm a lunatic..

The fact is that Chelsea have more of a reason to be pissed off at Barca than Barca have to hate Chelsea. It wasn't Barca who had their coach suspended for telling the truth. It wasn't Chelsea who had a whiny little baby come up with false statements to make Chelsea and it's fans look bad. It wasn't Chelsea's coach who talked to the ref during half time.

Now this is the last i'll speak of this . goodnite

you may not like my opinion, but it's so obvious that many Barca fans hate Chelsea not for Chelsea doing something wrong to Barca, like trying to tap up a Barca player or making false allegations, but they hate chelsea for the simple fact that Barca's CL hopes were crushedYou spoke before as a Barça fan.. then you should know that Barça is the opposite to Chelsea. I don't like Chelsea since Abramovich bought them and I think the the Barça fans don't care if Chelsea or Juventus or Milan were who beat us because we always look at ourselves first.The fact is that Chelsea have more of a reason to be pissed off at Barca than Barca have to hate Chelsea. It wasn't Barca who had their coach suspended for telling the truth. It wasn't Chelsea who had a whiny little baby come up with false statements to make Chelsea and it's fans look bad. It wasn't Chelsea's coach who talked to the ref during half time.The own Mourinho admitted that he didn't see Rijkaard entering the referee's dressing room. He said that his assistant told him that someone saw that...blah blah blah, excuses. He lied, that's a fact, there was an investigation and he was punished. You only have the faith on Mourinho and if Mourinho says that 4+2=8, you believe that 4+2=8.


I don't know why the Chelsea fans want to start this discussion again, we won't agree, you've got your opinion and I don't care at all. You won't convince me and I won't convince you. Like you said before, move on.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was an agreement between the G14 clubs not to sell players to Chelsea.

well we know thats the sort of thing that Arsenal would like to see,but not all the G14 clubs think in the same pathetic way that Arsenal do.The manager aint called Wenger the whinger for nothing.Arsenal are just looking desperately for a way to improve their position over us,in any way they can,because they know that they cant do it on the pitch.So they go crying to the other clubs....pathetic.This just goes to show how much we really worry and scare them.We actually didnt need any help from any G14 clubs last season and we dont need any of their co-operation to win the league this season either,so as i said earlier....f.u.c.k them all.......... :ewan:

Crespo wants Italy stay

The Argentine international spent last season on loan at Italian giants Milan after falling out with manager Jose Mourinho before the start of last season.

Crespo, who led Milan to the UEFA Champions League final last term, has already stated his desire to make his move to the Rossoneri a permanent arrangement, but that has so far failed to materialise.

With the Premiership champions looking for a new striker following the sale of Mateja Kezman to Atletico Madrid, Mourinho is keen to bring the South American goalscorer back to Stamford Bridge.

Crespo, however, seems not that keen on a return to the English game and revealed his frustration at his current situation.

"Chelsea are trying to convince me to go back, but what I really want to do is stay in Italy and my wife would rather live in Italy too," Crespo told The SP.

"I am having the worst summer of my life because I don't know at what club I will be at in two weeks time.

"Since losing the Champions League final, the only good thing that has happened has been my wedding.

"I never had a problem with Mourinho, I just wasn't in his plans and I need to play.

"I have spoken to him, but I have been told that it is possible he has changed his opinion of me."

don't worry chelsea, G14 won't ban tranfers to you, Porto won't let it, we eant more of your money

oh and dreamteam, after Mourinho was suspended video evidence and even the fourt ref (the guy who holds the substitution board) said thet Rijkaard did takl to the ref. Just so you know

oh and dreamteam, after Mourinho was suspended video evidence and even the fourt ref (the guy who holds the substitution board) said thet Rijkaard did takl to the ref. Just so you knowI guess Mourinho is the only coach in the world who doesn't talk to the refs. Though what you are saying happened in the tunnel. Everybody said that Rijkaard talked to the ref in the tunnel, Rijkaard did after the match, so? There were UEFA observers and they didn't see anything wrong.


And THIS is why Mourinho was punished.. if you want to read it AGAIN..
Mourinho said on February 27: “When I saw Rijkaard entering the referee’s dressing room I couldn’t believe it. When (Didier) Drogba was sent off I didn’t get surprised.


UEFA spokesman William Gaillard said: “They were basically using lies as a pre-match tactic. They were trying to qualify for the next round by putting pressure on referees and officials through false statements.

“They were ready to use disloyal methods and, frankly, this is totally and completely unacceptable.”

Gaillard added: “I can categorically state this alleged meeting did not happen. There is a clear contradiction in Chelsea’s complaint. They say Clarke and Miles saw the meeting but we know by looking at the architecture that from where they were they could not have seen anything.

“Then Mr Mourinho says in a signed article he was the one who saw it."

“What we do know from the reports from the referee and the venue director is that Mr Mourinho came out of the Chelsea dressing room and shouted in a quite aggressive way at Anders Frisk: ‘Can I also come into your dressing room’.”

Easy guys... Gosh... Why we Barca fans are going to hate Chelsea? cause CL elimination?.. Both teams was looking to qualify thats the idea of CL, BIG DEAL!!!!!!

yeah give it a rest Dreamteam....it is very old news and it is very boring.... :ewan:

As for Crespo.....he is still under contract, but i can understand his feelings if he and Jose didn't see eye to eye,but they have got to sort that out because he is still a Chelsea player ,and if his wife dont want to live in England,then just leave her in Italy,and start to act like a professional...... and a man.... :)

chelsea not buying any stars for the new season??

Easy guys... Gosh... Why we Barca fans are going to hate Chelsea? cause CL elimination?.. Both teams was looking to qualify thats the idea of CL, BIG DEAL!!!!!!
Fair enough, man. Youre pretty level headed here and youre speaking sensibly. Thanks to everyone for a lively debate, because thats what the forum is for, in part, but of course we cannot tranlate our own colored opinions to see the other side. Im glad to see our opinions were at least shared in part by Paulo, so that were not completely biased, but its probably best to let it all slide.

As for Crespo.....he is still under contract, but i can understand his feelings if he and Jose didn't see eye to eye,but they have got to sort that out because he is still a Chelsea player ,and if his wife dont want to live in England,then just leave her in Italy,and start to act like a professional...... and a man.... :)

Agreed. If he wants to give an honest try and return to Chelsea, im all for it. But if he's gonna pussyfoot about and keep trying to stay in Milan (which I dont blame him for) then Id rather he stay there. I'd like the best for both club and player. Crespo seems to be happier in the Red and Black so if it aint broke....

And thanks for the article, Se7en (Y)

chelsea not buying any stars for the new season??
Well, Aiser Del Horno was already bought for 8 million P, but as far as any "big stars" per se, all I can say is have patience. I think a winger and a forward at least are on their way, and I doubt they will be relative unknowns

But despite what Paulo says, this G14 transfer ban worries me a bit. I dont think it will happen either, but I think Milan have soured on Chelsea a bit with the Crespo/Kaladze issues.

However, this (http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul3e.html) sent a chill up my spine. Trezeguet for 35 million pounds?!? :| Thats a farking joke. 40 Million could land Owen and Torres. I know Trez has all kinds of skill, but he is older, which doesnt fit with a Jose signing, and I dunno if he fits.

One more :| is only fitting

If its between Trez for that price or nobody, then id say nobody. I have faith in Guddy, despite my desire for new striking options

And thanks for the article, Se7en (Y)
No probs, I thought it would be useful but I never imagined that some one would thank me :p

There is no need to worry about the G-14 banning transfers to Chelsea. It won't happen!!! why would a team like Porto, Ajax, and other smaller teams in the G-14 risk not getting paid large sums of cash for players just because Arsenal and Barca want it. Plus the g-14 is absolutely worthless. What exactly do they do. I see them as those cool kids who get together in the cafeteria to talk **** about the other kids. Uefa and Fifa don't recognise it, nobody cares about it and even if the transfer ban does happen it's not like only these teams have good players.Out of those 14 teams there are only about 8-10 guys that could come to Chelsea and earn an immdiate starting spot

You make a good point: outside of Barca and Arsenal, maybe Man United, I cant really see many clubs getting behind such a resolution because, as you say the (fiscally) "smaller" clubs in the group wouldnt want to lose the possibility of such a huge and, lets face it, frivilous buyer. Dead on assessment.

But eventhough they have no direct power to do anything, Im just hoping the "offended clubs" dont look to lobby the official bodies, like, err, UEFA, who have a proven track record of trying to keep Chelsea down.

Robben raring to go

Chelsea sensation Arjen Robben has delivered a chilling message to his Premiership rivals, claiming there is plenty more still to come.

Robben's electric performances in the second half of last season were crucial as Chelsea wrapped up the Premiership title, with the talented winger scoring seven goals in just 18 Premiership appearances. However, the Dutchman finished the season feeling he still had plenty more to offer.

"Although we were champions, I wasn't 100 per cent satisfied with my contribution, which was mainly down to my injuries," Robben revealed to Soccer Digest.

"I hope next season I will manage to stay free from physical problems. It's hard being on the sidelines - you have no way of using up your energy and you get frustrated because you want to prove yourself, especially when you are playing for a new club."

Few will share Robben's disappointment with his contribution, as he lit up the Premiership with some exhilarating moments that have already inspired comparisons between the 21 year-old and Dutch legend Johan Cruyff. Robben, however, feels such comparisons are far too premature.

"I know why people draw the comparison - we are both more fragile than muscular, fast, skilful and like dribbling. And we both were pretty good at a young age. But I cannot be compared to Cruyff yet as I havent reached the same level. He was unbelievable.

"My style of play hasn't changed much since I was a youngster. I was always the same, taking on opponents, doing whatever came to mind - improvising, if you like. I have learned to keep an eye on where my team-mates are. If someone is in a better position than me, I'll pass.

"When I was a youngster I lacked that awareness - the only thing that interested me was scoring as many goals as possible and breaking records from the season before."

Robben hopes to keep on improving under the guidance of Jose Mourinho, and he is happy to hone his talents in the wide role that he currently occupies at Stamford Bridge.

"For now and the next couple of years, I'd like to play in a wide role, either left or right. It doesn't make much difference to me which side. It's the role I've always played and suits my qualities best.

"Maybe when I am in my mid-twenties or something, I'll want to try a more central role.

"What I like most in a coach is when he gives clear instructions without restricting my freedom too much and gives me confidence. He has to show faith in my qualities."

And if next season goes to plan for Robben, this time next year he'll be a step closer to the greatness of Johan Cruyff, after securing a UEFA Champions League winners medal.

"I think we will have the same chance of winning it next season. You need a little luck and I'm sure many people would agree that's what we were lacking a bit against Liverpool in the semis.

"When we start preparing for the new season we'll be looking to win it again."

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If that wasn't the best Robben, then I'm looking forward to see him next season

Hah Arsenal crack me up. You can't just go around doing things like that. It's a shame that in football, the federations like the FA, FIFA, and UEFA can't enforce themselves and tell teams like Arsenal to shut up with ideas like this.

The Italian media is reporting that the bid was accepted. But Gazzetta repors that the deal wouldn't be all cach but Crespo+cash deal (30 mil pounds ?)


Then our attack would look something like that Ibra - Mutu/Crespo
But this probably isn't true

Hah Arsenal crack me up. You can't just go around doing things like that. It's a shame that in football, the federations like the FA, FIFA, and UEFA can't enforce themselves and tell teams like Arsenal to shut up with ideas like this.


G14 is far more powerful than the FA, FIFA etc. and it's not our fault that you decide to tap up every player and play dirty. You play dirty, we play dirty.

G14 has no power whatsoever. When was the last decision they made that affected football worldwide

G14 has no power whatsoever. When was the last decision they made that affected football worldwide

They contain the 14 richest and most powerful clubs in the world. Now, if by themselves each club can laugh and piss all over thier repective FA and FIFA, then them put together makes them powerful. They can, if needs be change football completely.

ultimately the oly ppl that can change soccer are the confedareations and FIFA. And plus the g14 aren't the 14 most riches and powerful clubs. Porto and Ajax and PSV aren't rich clubs and not even remotely powerful. Many rich clubs aren't even invoved with them aka Chelsea, and many others They may be powerful but i'm pretty sure these 14 teams can't overrule any decision made by let's say the other thousands of clubs around the world

The G14 can threaten to form a European Super League. That's power.

then lets see them do it....and what would the outcome be?......14 teams playing each other year in and year out?....have some sense for once........you gooners are so daft its shameful.........Oh and Dreath.....dont forget one little point....Cole came to us,it was not the other way round......you mug :funny:

all they can do is threaten, nothing else. FIfa has already stated before that any players playing in those teams in the Euro Super League would not be allowed to play Fifa tournamanets and same goes with UEFA. NO CL, NO Euro for these players, no NATIONAL TEAMS FOR THESE PLAYERS.Tell me who has the power?

(Y) :clapwap:

all they can do is threaten, nothing else. FIfa has already stated before that any players playing in those teams in the Euro Super League would not be allowed to play Fifa tournamanets and same goes with UEFA. NO CL, NO Euro for these players, no NATIONAL TEAMS FOR THESE PLAYERS.Tell me who has the power?


So why do Chelsea want in? G14 is the most powerful thing in football. FIFA is laughable. Every FA is a piss take.

all they can do is threaten, nothing else. FIfa has already stated before that any players playing in those teams in the Euro Super League would not be allowed to play Fifa tournamanets and same goes with UEFA. NO CL, NO Euro for these players, no NATIONAL TEAMS FOR THESE PLAYERS.Tell me who has the power?

A Euro Super League would make so much money it's not even funny. TV rights would be huge and every TV station would show matches from the Euro Super League rather than an EPL with Chelsea, Bolton, etc. Chelsea is ***in desperate to get into the G14 and you know it. Too bad they already made enemies or else they would probably be in it by now.

And it's funny you mention the CL when there would be no point having the CL when you have the Euro Super League.

as i said before ....the same 14 teams playing each other year in and year out......dont be silly man....that would be a league that would soon bore ppl.And for your info,Chelsea would like to see the G14 disbanded ....if there is anything to disband.And do you serously want to tell me that every player in every G14 club awould be happy to be excluded from their National teams.....i really dont think so.....it will never happen.The 14 teams would be exiled to a football wilderness........and what a mediocre team like Arsenal is doing in the G14 i really dont know........

as i said before ....the same 14 teams playing each other year in and year out......dont be silly man....that would be a league that would soon bore ppl.And for your info,Chelsea would like to see the G14 disbanded ....if there is anything to disband.And do you serously want to tell me that every player in every G14 club awould be happy to be excluded from their National teams.....i really dont think so.....it will never happen.The 14 teams would be exiled to a football wilderness........and what a mediocre team like Arsenal is doing in the G14 i really dont know........

You lot do know that G14 is about a lot more than a Euro super league right? Obviously not. And so Chelsea want it disbanded at the same time want to be part of it? Riight..

since when does Chelsea want to be part of the G14?did you read anything in the papers or see anything on TV?No you haven't you got no sources. The euro super league won't work for many reasons. Most players take the national team very serious aka the Brasilians and Argentinians. Imagine all the argentinians and brasilians leaving those teams. Players won't want to sign at the prospect of missing out of National team soccer (WC and Euro for instance) The champion's league has history and prestige something this Euro super league would never have as it's a marketing gimmick only to make money. Teams like Porto would never trade in trophies domestically and playing in the CL to be among the last place teams in the ESL. Hell no. same goes with Ajax, PSV, Marseille, PSG.

Do you think your Arse idol Henry would trade in scoring 25+ goals in England so that he can play piss poor and ****ty like he does in the Cl and as he'll do playing in the ESL.

And i find it laugable to say the least that these are the most powerful clubs in the world.

PORTO?
PSV?
AJAX?
LYON?
PSG?
MARSEILLE?
BAYER LEVERKUSEN?
ARSENAL?LOL
DORTMUND?
VALENCIA?

don't kid yourself about the g14.

"Club football and national team football are complementary; it is just a question of finding the right balance between the two and setting the right conditions (rights & duties) for clubs on one hand and federations on the other."

oh wait. that's an exerpt from the official g14 site. they say they fight to find the right balance between International and club football. so by having or attempting to have a ESL they are contradicting themselves and showing themselves to be HYPOCRITES

One last thing

these are the members:

Liverpool FC
Manchester United FC
Olympique de Marseille
Paris Saint-Germain
FC Bayern München
Borussia Dortmund
AC Milan
FC Internazionale Milano
Juventus FC
AFC Ajax
PSV
Futebol Clube do Porto
FC Barcelona
Real Madrid CF

these are the members who have begged to be involved over the past couple of years, that still have no power.

Arsenal
Bayer Leverkusen
Lyon
Valencia

go figure Arsenal are the ones who had to beg and squeeze themselves into the g14. so mush that they don't even consider Arsenal part of the 14 teams with power. They go by "G14 + 4 other teams" one of those other teams being worthless little Arsenal.

G14 is far more powerful than the FA, FIFA etc. and it's not our fault that you decide to tap up every player and play dirty. You play dirty, we play dirty.

Why do people always have a tendency to say "you." Are you blaming me for the tap up row? I'm just someone who lives in Canada neither I or anyone else in this thread can influence the decisions made by a football club so why're you blaming me. I support Chelsea but that doesn't mean that I'm the one making the decisions. I'm just gonna assume that you're an Arsenal fan because you refer to the whole tapping up thing.

They could make another Champions League sort of tournament which is bigger and with more teams but it won't be a G14 thing

Oh and Dreath, no offence but you sound sore over something to do with Chelsea.

Wow, I go away for a day and return to find Paulo de Silva has become the bouncer for all the rif-raf in the Chelsea thread :rockman:

I dont wanna quote and reply to all the posts I agreed because id be here all damn night, but suffice it to say nice job lads, all three of ya (Y)

G14 is far more powerful than the FA, FIFA etc. and it's not our fault that you decide to tap up every player and play dirty. You play dirty, we play dirty.
Dreathy, you know full well before Roman's Chelsea took your crown Arsenal were the frigging co-kings of dodge transfers, mate. Your just mad that someone has got you beat at your own game ;)

And I'd hardly classify running to the other clubs and trying to ice them out of your little rich boy's club as "playing dirty", at least for Arsenal standards. Its a bit reminicent of many a koodies epidemic back in elementary school

They contain the 14 richest and most powerful clubs in the world. Now, if by themselves each club can laugh and piss all over thier repective FA and FIFA, then them put together makes them powerful. They can, if needs be change football completely.
But thats just it. Theyre 18 clubs who are themselves all working to undermind eachother. Their only real purpose for being together is to increase collective revenues as the biggest drawing clubs in the world. So how does a measure that eliminates the possibility of getting Roman's billions, decidedly in opposition to making money, make any sense to any of them? Most of the G14 have done good business with Chelsea to the tune of 120 million pounds in the last 2 years, by my count (Real 28-32 million P, Porto at what, 35 million P, PSV at 18 million P, Marseillse at 27 million P) , to say nothing of Milan and Real's supposed gentlemens agreements with Chelsea, as well as the loan deals to the Milan clubs. Besides, what do Real or Valencia care about Barca's bellyaching or for that matter anyone about Arsenal's (I only say that because 'Pool and ManUnited have axes to grind).

So what Im getting at is that the fact that they are 18 soverign clubs who compete much more than they cooperate, and thus, they wont have the mettle to wield the power they do have by virute of their wealth and pull.

A Euro Super League would make so much money it's not even funny. TV rights would be huge and every TV station would show matches from the Euro Super League rather than an EPL with Chelsea, Bolton, etc. Chelsea is ***in desperate to get into the G14 and you know it. Too bad they already made enemies or else they would probably be in it by now.

And it's funny you mention the CL when there would be no point having the CL when you have the Euro Super League.
Here, youre wrong. Chelsea was already disliked by some of the G14 clubs even before any of this, and there was rumor that many, especially the English ones, wanted more permanent success before they let Chelesa in. Not an unfair request really, but probably based a bit in jealousy as well.

As far as forming a European Super League being power, well rumors have been heard over the last two years that Roman has used that as a bargaining chip when dealing with the FA. Despite that, and for the dozen or so reasons Paulo so masterfully articulated, I dont think its a threat that holds much weight.

Anyway, debate is always fun so its always good to have dissenting opinions, as everyone has demonstrated and ability to keep it from being personal...at least with the Arse fans ;)

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Anyway, a big bit of rumor/news this evening:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/4651003.stm

Chelsea 'make £32m Gerrard offer'

Chelsea have made a British record £32m bid for Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard, say newspaper reports.

The offer would eclipse the £29.1m Manchester United paid to Leeds for Rio Ferdinand in 2002.

Liverpool are reported to have responded by offering the midfielder a two-year contract extension to 2009 on £100,000 a week.

The 25-year-old is thinking over the proposal made after meetings with club representatives on Monday

:O
I thought this whole saga was at an end when the CL final ended. Gerrard said it himself: "How could I even think about leaving after a night like this?" I guess the answer was 'with the help of your agent'. Of course, all the Spanish papers are insisting he is Madrid bound, and if Liverpool had to sell him i would guess they would rather do it outside of England.

All that said, its probably all his agency posturing to get him more money. Supposedly Rafa, Gerrard and his agent were having last minute meetings to get a 100k+ per week contract hashed out...something that Liverpool caved into him on, but is that gonna get it done? Who knows

Dont get me wrong, Stevie Gerrard is brilliant, and a Lampard, Gerrard, Makelele midfield would set England alight for the next few years. No club in the world wouldnt be made better by this guy. But if it means 32 million pounds for a guy whose heart I must question if he leaves his boyhood club, then let him stay, and groom Joey Cole for the third midfield role.

32 million pounds is an obscene amount of money. Over 47 million euros :eek:


I think it will come down to whether or not Liverpool want to sell him to an English club

Man Liverpool should just sell him if it means getting 32 million pounds. Chelsea would probably be willing to offer more then 40 million and Liverpool's could use the money sense they aren't completely financially safe.

This means WAR.

:hit:




(H)

In one corner, Abramovich (H)

In the other corner, Florentino.

Florentino would get killed by Roman if they actually got in a fight. :hit: Come to think of it, Abramovich can probably whoop any owners ass. (H)

Those Russians are pretty strong, but I'm pretty sure that Chelsea will get Gerrard. The thing they have to do though is sign him quick instead of last season where they tried to sign him and it took forever so Gerrard never came.

Like Barca is not bidding any big transfer, i gonna have a lot of fun with this Gerrard fight :) Go Roman!!!

Personally i don't feel Chelesea need Gerard. They have a great CM already. Plus you guys may not agree, but if Tiago is given regular football he is great Box-to-box midfielder like gerard and on top of that he wouldn't mind being on the bench, unlike Gerrard

I guess a lot of Liverpool fans will blame Gerrard for this and up to now ,on radio phone ins ETC,the opinions are all negative.But think on this.....One thing Gerrard was concerned about was the treatment that the English players were getting from Benitez.Gerrard was upset that Liverpool sold Owen.He said at the time that Owen was "persuaded" to leave.Gerrard has seen the club he loves and will always love become Atletico Liverpool.Soon the entire squad will be Spanish.I'm not saying that the players Benitez has bought are poor.No no no...they are good players,but Gerrard can see the English heart of Liverpool being replaced wholemeal with Spanish talent.Rumour has it that even Jamie Carragher is being readied to be sold.Gerrard is not just a proud Liverpool lad ,he is a proud Englishman and i can understand his dismay at seeing his club transformed in this way.He was waiting to see who Liverpool would buy for the new season ,and obviously the guy is dissapointed with what he sees.The money dont come into it,£90,000 a week or £100.000 a week.The difference of £10,000 a week aint going to be the sticking point that the club say it is.I think Gerrard is sick with the clubs attitude and thats it.Typical football "fans" though.....just like the Cole saga.....the "fans "turn their anger on the individual and not the club.....oh no never the glorious club.....wait for the full story to emerge before condemning the bloke....for what Gerrard has given Liverpool ,the "fans " owe him that much at least :)

Im personally not convinced that Gerrard will be Chelsea bound. Sure, this club can blow any offer out of the water if they so choose, but I doubt they are gonna offer silly money for Steven. He is damn talented, but I dont really trust him that much after his whole saga and if I were a betting man, I'd say he was headed to Madrid.

And Pete, thats a pretty intresting perspective on it. I realize that the money issue was, well, a non-issue so it had to be something else in Steven's mind. But what I think it is is his desire not to be the leader on a team. I dont think he appreciates or plays well under the burden of being the "franchise" at Liverpool. If they had offered the armband to Carragher, I wonder if things wouldve been different. Yet after the CL final, I thought he had reached the point of maturity where he could be a great player and a great leader. I guess not...

Personally i don't feel Chelesea need Gerard. They have a great CM already. Plus you guys may not agree, but if Tiago is given regular football he is great Box-to-box midfielder like gerard and on top of that he wouldn't mind being on the bench, unlike Gerrard
Well, Im in agreement over the fact that Chelsea dont need him: thats for sure. But I had held the same discussions about Tiago on other boards. He showed flashes of complete brilliance last year, and he is only 24: the lad definately has the potential to grow into a real star.

The other guy who I want to get consideration is Joey Cole. He was brilliant when he was given consistent time this year, and though it was at the winger spot, I really think he could be groomed to eventually realize Lampards offensive role in the midfield (though its like blasphemmy to say I want Lamps to be less offensive minded after what he has acomplished). Anyway, between Tiago and Cole, that 3rd spot in midfield is stacked enough. I hope neither Gerrard or Essien come this year so that Jose can see that potential realized by at least one of them this coming year.

Oh yah, and with Vieri signing for Milan and Gilardino set to make the same move, Crespo looks bound to return. Hopefully, its for the best...

pede54, I think that you should put that up on the Liverpool thread, a pretty good peace.

Anyways, Chelsea doesn't exactly need Gerard but here's how he'd help-Lampard was definitely overworked last season, he played almost every game including the pre season ones. He probably got fatigued. Makelele's getting older and he won't be playing every game so Gerard could be useful. Also if two central midfielders get injured, you'd have to play Cole in the middle but if you have Gerrard, you can keep Cole on the flag in case Duff or Robben get injured.

The position I'd say that needs reinforcing is Right Midfield even if Robben can play it.

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=289620&CPID=8&CLID=8&lid=&title=Would+Gerrard+fit+in+at+Chelsea?&channel=premiership

that's the thing treble41, Lamps wants to play everygame. It's what drives him to be the player he is. Lamps has started more than 100+ games in a row without complaining and will continue to start unless he seriously gets injured(knocks on wood)

now I've seen Tiago play every weekend for Benfica and Braga and belive me when i say and all you Chelsea fans should listen too, HE IS AN AWESOME PLAYER and to have a plyer like him on the bench is a luxury, cuz honestly he could start in Manchester, Liverpool (now that gerard is gone) and Arsenal.

Thsi is a guy who averaged ten goals a season as a DM. was rock solid defending, holding and even starting attacks. I'm glad BlueBalla likes him. I think he'd fill in nicely when Makalele is done

Crespo gets the Blues for next season. (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=336663&cc=5901)

If healthy he will succeed. :rockman:

The same thing applies to Drogba.

No pre-season, two big injuries and 16 goals and people complain, plus countless assists from headers into the path of running players, like Lampard and Gudjohnsen pushing from deep.

Crespo, Drogba, Eidur.

Bring it on, and bring on SWP.

Rob, what lineup do you see Chelsea playing ?

want to post it please :$

including the players of course :)

The same thing applies to Drogba.

No pre-season, two big injuries and 16 goals and people complain, plus countless assists from headers into the path of running players, like Lampard and Gudjohnsen pushing from deep.

Crespo, Drogba, Eidur.

Bring it on, and bring on SWP.

why do you want SWP you already have robben and duff not to mention j.cole

Damb, I almost cried when heard that Gerrard is staying at Liverpool this morning. Maybe if Chelsea had offered Liverpool over 50 million right away then he would've been house shopping in London. I'm sure that he got some sense in him after he was threatened by probably everyone in Liverpool. The person who was really stupid in this was Liverpool itself because think of all they could've done with above 40 million.
Well, back to chasing Essien even though I doubt the chances.

Terry, Chelsea want SWP because you know what happened last year, Duff and Robben got injured and Chelsea got screwed. Plus Robben and Duff are both left wingers although Robben can play the right but SWP is a right winger.

this is the team i would play next season

===================Cech=====================
P.Ferreira===R.Carvalho=======J.Terry=====A.Del Horno
==================Makelele===================
============Lampard=========================
====================Robben==================
Duff=============================Wridght Phillips
============Drogba/Gudjonhsen/Crespo===========

As much as i love Stevie,i'm glad he is staying with his Liverpool.He would have been a great buy for us ,not least because he is English therefore playing with Terry and Frank and Joe every week would bode well for the National team,but,in the end he could not leave Liverpool.I'm just amazed that some Liverpool fans are dissapointed that he is staying.
Crespo is coming back.....i just hope his mind is right by the time the season starts,i'm sure he will do well this time,he is making some positive comments so thats good.Lets also see the Drog setting the Prem alight this year,i'd love to see that.Eidur is Eidur so no worries there anyway.I still think there will be maybe a couple of more players coming in before the window closes anyway.I think i might know who one of them is but i aint saying nothing until he arrives,just in case this one goes belly up as well....... :ewan:

22million plus a player otherwise go looking elsewhere :jap:

this is the team i would play next season

===================Cech=====================
P.Ferreira===R.Carvalho=======J.Terry=====A.Del Horno
==================Makelele===================
============Lampard=========================
====================Robben==================
Duff=============================Wridght Phillips
============Drogba/Gudjonhsen/Crespo===========

can Robben play in the centre? He'd be more effective on the wing, I rate him higher than Duff, so I'd swap them round and put Tiago in the middle.

why do you want SWP you already have robben and duff not to mention j.cole
Because Duff and Robben are injury prone and cant play 50+ games a season, if they did it would be a miracle.

You need backup, someone you can rotate with.

I just have one thing to say regarding Stevie Gerrard and his decision to stay at Liverpool.
As the chant goes:-

F**k off Chelsea,
Chelsea F**k off!!!

Ha, ha!! (Stevie G - Once a Red, Always a Red!!!) YNWA.

I just have one thing to say regarding Stevie Gerrard and his decision to stay at Liverpool.
As the chant goes:-

F**k off Chelsea,
Chelsea F**k off!!!

Ha, ha!! (Stevie G - Once a Red, Always a Red!!!) YNWA.
Get bent, mate :ewan:
Once a red, always a red? When he drags your team through the same emotional rollercoaster next summer, will you sell him up the river like the majority of your fans did? Well, anyway, you've got a whole season of fighting with Spurs for a Uefa Cup place to mull that one over ;)

oh, and KTBFFH

Because Duff and Robben are injury prone and cant play 50+ games a season, if they did it would be a miracle.

You need backup, someone you can rotate with.
Not only that, but id rather Cole be paired in the middle of park with Lamps. Between he and Tiago, this team doesnt need a third midfielder.


Robben in the middle of park isnt a bad idea. I know he played there for PSV, but I have to question his ability to handle the roughness of the CF position if he were put there, for obvious reasons. Anyway, with Crespo back, hopefully we wont have to worry about it. And like Rob says, Drogba will be solid this season like he was last, given the circumstances, so the strikeforce should be fine. Still waiting on Owen though.... :)

Get bent, mate :ewan:
Once a red, always a red? When he drags your team through the same emotional rollercoaster next summer, will you sell him up the river like the majority of your fans did? Well, anyway, you've got a whole season of fighting with Spurs for a Uefa Cup place to mull that one over ;)

oh, and KTBFFH

Well I'm gald Stevie stayed and pissed all over the bonfire of any plans that chelsea had to buy him.
Anyways, Why would he want to move to the Champions of England, when he's playing for the Champions of the whole of Europe!!!

I think us Liverpool fans have got the last laugh on this one!!! Ha, ha, ha!!! :funny:

can Robben play in the centre? He'd be more effective on the wing, I rate him higher than Duff, so I'd swap them round and put Tiago in the middle.


Robben can play in the centre, more like a 2nd forward

Rob, what lineup do you see Chelsea playing ?

want to post it please :$

including the players of course :)
Cech

Ferreira Gallas Terry Bridge

Makelele

Lampard Gudjohnsen

Robben Duff

Drogba

That is the side I want to see played.

Gallas and Terry is clearly our best pairing in the centre, however to have someone lke Caravlho on the bench and Huth speaks volumes in our depth. Ferreira on the right, solid as Mourinho said. Bridge on the left, the stats don't lie how much a better side we are with him in the team.

Makelele and Lampard, the best centre pairing there is at the moment, Tiago does offer wonderful backup as do many of the other players but at the moment I can't see Tiago getting in bewteen them two despite his quality. Gudjohnsen MUST play as the 3rd midfielder, he was AWESOME in that role to the end of the year, playing as the link up man.

This article from BBC a few months ago, this picture infact explains why he must play

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41074000/gif/_41074277_che_gud_chalkboard4_416.gif

Robben and Duff, need I say more?

Drogba, 16 goals after no pre-season and 2 major injuries is a great return for his first season in the EPL. He is strong, a target man considering the width we play with and the amount of crosses diployed, and with Eidur playing deep, and Lampard pushing forward he is really great at using his aerial strength to header goals into their path.

ie. Gudjohnsen vs Man Utd at SB
ie. Lampard vs Bayern at SB
ie. Lampard vs Bolton at the Reebok Stadium.

With players like Cudicini, Del Horno, Carvalho, Tiago, Cole, Crespo not even being mentioned in my starting 11, speaks volumes as I said about our strength in this squad.

I am praying every night a certain SWP and Adriano join our ranks, but without them we still have a squad capable of taking all before them.

However, the only thing that worries me is if Lampard or Makelele gets injured, esp. Makelele.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41074000/gif/_41074273_che_mak_chalkboard_416.gif

Images used from this article. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/4473485.stm

Looks like you guys got Crespo back. :D
I really hope he is given a chance to perform this time. :rockman:

CHELSEA AGREE TO RONALDINHO' s TERMS? (http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/3743680)

Is this due to the missed attempt at Steven Gerrard?

"Anyways, Why would he want to move to the Champions of England, when he's playing for the Champions of the whole of Europe!!!

I think us Liverpool fans have got the last laugh on this one!!! Ha, ha, ha!!! "-wing172

Liverpool might be the European Champions so the best team in Europe officialy and you can deny it, but you know that Chelsea is still better and Chelsea still has a better chance of winning the Champion's League next year.

Oh and here are a few intresting pieces of opinion I found on the net on this whole Gerrard thing:

"This is the most brilliant piece of negotiation I've ever seen. He played Chelsea, Real and Liverpool against each other to get his £100k a week, and they all fell for it like fools. If he dummies as well on the field, England will be world champions next year. Simply brilliant, and a candidate for an Oscar to boot!"
SYKey, Malaysia

"Go to Chelsea Steve. Jose Mourinho will make you an even better player - just look at what he’s done for Joe Cole, Frank Lampard and John Terry. It would be the best choice of club for you with the World Cup in mind too. "
Paul House, New Zealand

Man Chelsea's so desperate now that we're going after players like Ronaldinho who we know we're not gonna get unless you offer 60 million +

Gallas and Terry is clearly our best pairing in the centre,

No, it's all about routine and Carvalho still didn't have the same routine with Terry as Gallas last season. He's a much better player than Gallas, especially marking. Huth is a joke as seen in the Confed Cup.

And Mourinho only played Gudjohnsen in the middle because he had to. He added power to the midfield when needed with more attacking sense than for instance Jarosik. There'a a reason why Chelsea is trying to get Gerrard or Essien or another strong midfielder.

Cech

Ferreira Gallas Terry Bridge

Makelele

Lampard Gudjohnsen

Robben Duff

Drogba


Thats the same team I'd pick, perhaps with Crespo in place of Drogba though, depending on pre season form.

Well I'm gald Stevie stayed and pissed all over the bonfire of any plans that chelsea had to buy him.
Anyways, Why would he want to move to the Champions of England, when he's playing for the Champions of the whole of Europe!!!

I think us Liverpool fans have got the last laugh on this one!!! Ha, ha, ha!!! :funny:


silly little boy..........if you read this thread you will see that ,although we all rate Gerrard ,we were all dissapointed for him that he felt he had to leave Anfield.We would have liked to have Stevie if he was clubless but nobody here was expecting it or wanting it.The concensus of opinion in this thread was that he would be better off staying at Liverpool.So what you mean by "Last laugh" i really dont know.Nobody thought the situation was funny in the first place.must be your juvenile sense of humour i guess.And get this,Liverpool might have won the CL last season,thanks mostly to a lot of luck(but also some hard fought games),but they were by no means an impressive team and you do know that.They were s.h.i.t in the league and every other domestic competition so dont get carried away mate.Just hope you get the luck again or your lot will not make it through the qualifying rounds.....then i might actually find THAT funny.......... :ewan:

No, it's all about routine and Carvalho still didn't have the same routine with Terry as Gallas last season. He's a much better player than Gallas, especially marking. Huth is a joke as seen in the Confed Cup.

And Mourinho only played Gudjohnsen in the middle because he had to. He added power to the midfield when needed with more attacking sense than for instance Jarosik. There'a a reason why Chelsea is trying to get Gerrard or Essien or another strong midfielder.
Yet we only conceeded 2 goals all year when Gallas and Terry played in the centre, and when we went through that amazing run of clean sheets, it was? Gallas and Terry in the centre.

Yet we only conceeded 2 goals all year when Gallas and Terry played in the centre, and when we went through that amazing run of clean sheets, it was? Gallas and Terry in the centre.

That's what I'm saying. There was probably better communication and obviously more routine between Gallas and Terry last season. Yet RC individually was amazing whenever he played, and I doubt he even knew how to understand english much less speak it properly.

I said

Originally Posted by Rob
Gallas and Terry is clearly our best pairing in the centre

You said, No.

Originally Posted by Virgo
No, it's all about routine and Carvalho still didn't have the same routine with Terry as Gallas last season.

Which directly backs up what I said about them being our best pairing in the centre, I did not once say RC is any less of a player, I agree he is an amazing defender however, currently as it stands Gallas and Terry are Chelsea's best pairing in the centre, the two compliment each other better.

With time that may change, but at the moment, as I write this post, they are our best pairing, and thus deserve to start.