dont know why, but i just feel Ferguson doesn't have any faith in Richardson....rumours of Park of PSV.....

He' s ready for the first team but I think Ferguson believes that Giggs has 2 more seasons in him....Richardson has EPL experience which should be a factor in deciding over whether or not he goes and gets Park. The time is now for Richardson.

I think that if rio doesnt resign then we should go after Zat Knight. From what ive seen(England USA Tour) he is one of the best up and coming defenders and we should cash in on him, dont you all think.


no, he's too accident prone.

What do u mean by that?

he makes too many mistakes.

Well hes young so he could get better and from wat ive seen he can only get better.

I have no doubt about his ability, talent and his work ethic, but he finds it hard to adept to other countries/languages and that's why I doubt his mental strenght off the pitch. At PSV Hiddink was a trusted person for him, along with Lee. At ManUtd he's all alone.

usually korean sucks in english, even though some of them are great. this apply to japanese as well

Park and C.Ronaldo as wingers, U can be really happy Andrejs. Park has infinite Stamina, a hard worker, a great technical player and has a good shooter

personally i think c.ronaldo can be better if he plays as a forward. look at what he did in portugal NT.

he is the one who upset portugal in world cup 2002. he consider as my favorite korean player and he is way better than the korean who score the winning goal against italy in world cup 2002. can't remember his name :rolleyes:


Ahn Jung Hwan.. :)

is it we going to have a new home kit next season. i went to nike melbourne last weekend because there is a winter sales. i went to take a look on man utd kit, i found it somehow different than current season kit :confused:

http://www.kitbag.com/product_images/large/118834-666.jpg vs http://img216.echo.cx/img216/8473/new6dr.jpg

i don't like the white line style :(

is it we going to have a new home kit next season. i went to nike melbourne last weekend because there is a winter sales. i went to take a look on man utd kit, i found it somehow different than current season kit :confused:


I doubt so, we've just changed our home kit last year so that will be it at least until end of next season. We'll have new away kit, i think. :) So that shirt might be a fake..

how could a fake merchandise in nike shop :confused:

Yes, it's fake, it was posted before the last season aswell. The rule is that the EPL teams can have a new kit after every 2 seasons. United will get new away kit and 3rd kit only.

http://img216.echo.cx/img216/8473/new6dr.jpg

this picture i found from another web site. not the 1 i saw in nike melbourne. i don't know how describe but it just doesn't look like the current season 1 :|

ESSIEN UNVEILS BLUES DESIRE

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=282432&cpid=8&CLID=&lid=2&title=ESSIEN+UNVEILS+BLUES+DESIRE&channel=Football_Home


there goes yet another of our targets.
chelsea will pip out us and get him .and we'll just have to see essien become a huge star just the way we have seen ronaldinho,robben do

man...this sucks. If Essien is headed to the Bridge then we must atleast sign a GK...Casillas maybe,dont wanna see our targets going elsewhere.

About Park,i havent seen much of him apart from CL games but he is excellent. He shud fit our game. C'mon lets see those contracts made

:ewan: essien

Isaksson would be a good choice, but Rennes need him.


West Ham :ewan:

Basically, every EPL player came from there.

i guess we will lose every tranfer battle to Chelsea.

Most of the time yes but there will times where the player wont want to play for chelski and HOPEFULLY thats the way with Park.

Essien was never a tranfer target for United anyway. It was only media speculation. No one from the manchester united camp even mentioned that he may be a possible target.

Its still a damn loss tho!

I think we should forget about Essien and give more time to Phil Neville. :jambo:

I just found a video : Man Utd Official Bloopers Video.wmv
I uploaded a zip containing the torrent file and u can use BitTorrent client to download it. ;) If u want to dl it, be quick

Its still a damn loss tho!

I think we should forget about Essien and give more time to Phil Neville. :jambo:
I think we should also give more chance to Richardson and O'Shea.
And also we should try our young keeper Heaton. He played really well in the Soccer Sevens in Hong Kong.

And Smith

And Smith
yes...its a pity that Smithy has to sit on the bench... he is hard working and he has the spirit. Maybe Rooney should slot in the Scholes's position and Smith plays with Ruud up front.

My lineup for next year:

____________________*New Keeper*/Howard____________________

G Nev/Wes_________Rio_____________Silvestre_____________ Heinze


____Fletcher/*New CM*_____Keane/Kleberson____Scholes/Richardson____

___C Ronaldo/Ole___________Ruud/Smith___________Giggs/Rooney___


The new keeper i would go for would be out of Kameni, Frey, Given or Robinson.

Not too sure on CM but i wouldn't have had Essien anyway. Scott Parker would have been OK - even if he is a Chelsea reject he's still a quality player with that british drive to him. What do other guys think about Scott Parker?

Phil Neville should be used as an all round utility, of which he is blatantly the best in the world at; shove him anywhere in Defense or Midfield and guaranteeed 110% all the time and team work. He's also a very decent player imo, but not a starter - apart from maybe at DMC.

Rossi, Bardsley, Pique, Blake and Jones should also start being introduced into the first team, maybe even on loan (*cough* West Brom or Blackburn)

Spector should go on loan to Blackburn i reckon - as he WAS going to last year.

Scott would be an awsome addition to the team and i could really see getting lots of playing time.

My lineup for next year:

____________________*New Keeper*/Howard____________________

G Nev/Wes_________Rio_____________Silvestre_____________ Heinze


____Fletcher/*New CM*_____Keane/Kleberson____Scholes/Richardson____

___C Ronaldo/Ole___________Ruud/Smith___________Giggs/Rooney___


The new keeper i would go for would be out of Kameni, Frey, Given or Robinson.

Not too sure on CM but i wouldn't have had Essien anyway. Scott Parker would have been OK - even if he is a Chelsea reject he's still a quality player with that british drive to him. What do other guys think about Scott Parker?

Rossi, Bardsley, Pique and Jones should also start being introduced into the first team, maybe even on loan (*cough* West Brom or Blackburn)

Spector should go on loan to Blackburn i reckon - as he WAS going to last year.
Bardsley played well in the soccer 7's in Hong Kong too. He is not tall but his positioning is very good. He is a central defender but he can also play as a right back for us.

I think we should try to use our reserve team players coz they have won quadruple and they have shown they are able to play for us. We have trained so many youth players and why dont we trust them and play them in our first team matches?

We also shouldnt forget Blake, he is miles better then Lampard for an example :( (H)

I agree with Houston, we keep repeating that our youth system sucks and that there wont be any players like Becks, Neville brothers, Butt etc. but we can't say that without giving them a chance.

Ah shi't, forgot Blake, he's an amazing prospect.

Bardsley (and maybe Jones) is (are) the only player(s) to potentially have that "manchester" part of them that the Nevs, Scholes, Becks, Butt etc. have/had.

and Campbell, Frazer Campbell or Grazer...i forgot his first name. He is a quick and agile striker, like Bellion. He also came here and played well together with David Jones, David Fox...

Anyone watch the Belgium - Serbia game, damn Proto is class, i hope Fergie isn't sleeping on this kid, he is cheap too.

I saw the game, he looked pretty good and hes young.

did someone hear about the siging of van der sar is it true or not. but its a great goal keeper

he's waaaay too old. no thanks.


and you need to make your sig smaller, the limit is 300x100 ;)

like it or not, its now confirmed on SSN we are buying Van Der Sar.

Van Der Saar aint half bad at all, hell, good even. Similar to Schmeichel in that he communicates well and is big and strong. Besides we wouldn't want to buy a keeper whos too young since it's obvious that Howard is in Sir Alex's plan.

:rockman: Finally some good news in signing Van Der Sar. I don't care if he is too old, he is good and one of the best keepers in the EPL. We don't need a younger goallie, we have Howard who now has the time to develope into the keeper he showed he can be in his first season. And van der sar is one of the few goallies who can play together with a team,

Everywhere it is saying Fergie will be signing 2 keepers considering he has released 2 senior keepers. I think Van Der Sar will be a decent signing, think about some of the matches we've had against Fulham where we've just been unable to beat him. He'll probably go for another younger keeper such as Proto or Kanemi or something (Y)

Van Der Sar is a very good keeper undoubtedly. But we need a long-term keeper. If we buy Edwin and keep using him as our regular keeper, then who should we use a few years later? We should play Howard more, but then, we Van Der Sar has to sit on the bench.

Van Der Sar Signs For Man Utd (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4611715.stm)

i'm not saying i don't like him, i just think it's a bit surprising. He's a fantastic keeper and will give the team a hell of alot of experience.

A bit surprising but good signing.

Reminds me of when we signed Blanc.

I'd still love to see Kameni or Proto come to the club.

At the moment van der Sar is better then Howard.I just don't have any faith in Howard. I think van der Sar will be a starter for the next season and after that we will get a long-term goalie.

after watching that bloopers video uploaded by houston
Peter the great had some terrible goalkeeping blunders too
T Ho's blunder against Porto ain't really that bad comparing with those
Just stick with T Ho

At the moment van der Sar is better then Howard.I just don't have any faith in Howard. I think van der Sar will be a starter for the next season and after that we will get a long-term goalie.
What about his first season's performance?
Where did those come from?
He couldnt have done it without any talent
So that he has dropped his form
If you remembered, Peter Schmeichel's blunders were even more terrible
Just give Tim Howard some time
He can be, and will be the best in the world

Confirmation on manutd.com (http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=181999&itype=466&icategoryid=120)

At the moment van der Sar is better then Howard.I just don't have any faith in Howard. I think van der Sar will be a starter for the next season and after that we will get a long-term goalie.
No faith in howard? Some supporter you are? Did you start supporting this season past? Cause Howard's first season was brilliant. Howard is freaking young and Keepers get better and more sure of themselves with age, give him some time to develop in the EPL.

With van der Sar, Howard will have someone experienced near him who can turn him into a better goallie. At least with Sar we have a goallie who hardly makes any mistakes,

Yeah not to mention he can command our defense. We haven't had anyone who can really shout at our defenders all the time like Schmeichel did.

With van der Sar, Howard will have someone experienced near him who can turn him into a better goallie. At least with Sar we have a goallie who hardly makes any mistakes,

every keeper have mistake. he made 1 while he try to drible pass reyes but i'm still happy with him. he is a great keeper with lots experience. hope he might able to solve our keeper problems

Yeah not to mention he can command our defense. We haven't had anyone who can really shout at our defenders all the time like Schmeichel did.

yeah. commanding goal keeper is very important to lead the defend line. even though rio did a great job command the line but with van der sar, it might be even better

**** sake Fergie.

This stinks of lazyness on United's part, he's good, but he's not worth an 'undisclosed fee' because of his age. We should be getting someone in for the long-term and not someone who'll need replacing in one or two years. Dissapointed to say the least. Whilst we're bringing older players, Arsenal will probably unearth the next Petr Cech. We'll probably sign Luis ******* Figo next.

:nape:

You can't just have a squad with young players, you need to have experienced players on every part, defence, attack, midfield and now goallie. Howard is young and everybody knows that he is good, what's the use of bringing someone in with a similar age, it's just waisting one of the talents.

**** sake Fergie.

This stinks of lazyness on United's part, he's good, but he's not worth an 'undisclosed fee' because of his age. We should be getting someone in for the long-term and not someone who'll need replacing in one or two years. Dissapointed to say the least. Whilst we're bringing older players, Arsenal will probably unearth the next Petr Cech. We'll probably sign Luis ******* Figo next.

:nape:

apparently around 2mill according to manutd.com

i agree with that, although i still would like to see Figo at United. But Kameni or Frey would be ideal for United but i can't see it happening this season now :(

So we might have around 18 mill to spend now, who can we get with that? A defensive mid must be on the agenda now.

c.ronaldo scored a freekick for portugal :|

**** sake Fergie.

This stinks of lazyness on United's part, he's good, but he's not worth an 'undisclosed fee' because of his age. We should be getting someone in for the long-term and not someone who'll need replacing in one or two years. Dissapointed to say the least. Whilst we're bringing older players, Arsenal will probably unearth the next Petr Cech. We'll probably sign Luis ******* Figo next.

:nape:

Agreed to a certain point... BUT... Van der Sar is still a ******* world class keeper, who will win us points, instead of losing us points. He's a great communicator for the back four... he's good on the ball. Even though he's 34, I think he's got at least 4 years in him. He looks fitter than ever. Good signing. Now get a world class midfielder!

**** sake Fergie.

This stinks of lazyness on United's part, he's good, but he's not worth an 'undisclosed fee' because of his age. We should be getting someone in for the long-term and not someone who'll need replacing in one or two years. Dissapointed to say the least. Whilst we're bringing older players, Arsenal will probably unearth the next Petr Cech. We'll probably sign Luis ******* Figo next.

:nape:

its not that much, just 2m or so. its better than spending 10m on Robinson. :| beside we need to save more money for our midfield purchase.

SAF atleast has come back to his senses instead of buying a bunch of mediocre unknown players, I think we will see a good, wellknown midfielder

Everyone doubting Van Der Sar will be eating their words next season i reckon, he's an established goalie that constantly persist's in proving how good he is for Fulham. Better taking him than some ******* unknown keeper that will mess up all the time., at least we know what were getting with Van Der Sar.

Robinson is a class keeper and would be well worth 10mill :rolleyes:

c.ronaldo scored a freekick for portugal :|
Good, let him practice his set pieces more, he'll be nearly unstoppable.

Good, let him practice his set pieces more, he'll be nearly unstoppable.

he would practice more if you didn't have Rooney blast the ball over the bar from set pieces, 3 or 4 times in every match.

he would practice more if you didn't have Rooney blast the ball over the bar from set pieces, 3 or 4 times in every match.
Clash of the egos. :ewan: Ronaldo's still my favorite player though, and they're great friends off the pitch as well so it's all good.

I think Howard will gain some experience from Van Der Sar, and when its his time to retire, we will already have a goalkeeper who will be ready to step into his shoes.

Hopefully howard can learn a bit from van der sar and doesn't get too mad about his position. He had to be expecting that fergie would bring someone in, and personally I think this is better news for him. Van der sar is world class but due to age, will only be around probably a year or 2 at most, and by that time howard should have the position. Good to see we are going after some older guys instead of just the youngins. Hey while were at it, how bout beasley from PSV, sure i'm a little bias but who cares :hump: :hump: :rockman:

Robinson is a class keeper and would be well worth 10mill :rolleyes:

Robbo isn't a world class keeper is he?

The fact Van Der Sar will put in consistent peformances in europe could of been a major decision for Fergie signing him, he puts in good peformance's for the national side, and Fergie seems set on winning europe, but goalkeeper blunder's have stopped our progress the last couple of season's. Personally im happy Van Der Sar is at Man Utd, and i hope Howard replaces him once he finishes.

Robbo isn't a world class keeper is he?

i didn't use the word "world". But he's definately an EPL established keeper with the potential to become world class.

signing vander sar is not a bad idea....it will give tim time 2 learn coz he is young.....n vander sar is just a short term plan...for wat i see...tim is still in SAF plan in the future...bringing sumone wit xperiance is good 4 him n vd sar had proof tat he can b a good EPL GK...

Van Der sar is a good keeper with a lot of experience,i dont see how this could be a bad signing!
I dont think we could get Buffon or Casillas to come to OT so i am very pleased with the choice of Van Der Sar!
(H)

Van Der Sar is one of my favorite keepers and I can see him being as huge of a force for United as Schmeichel was. Now that our keeper problem is settled for a few years, we need to:

-Sell Silvestre, start Brown in his spot
-Sell Saha
-Buy Park or a midfielder with talent who can run and run like Park can/Keano could
-Loan out some of our promising reserves who aren't likely to break the first team next year... It's done wonders for Kieran, and I can't see Rossi or any of the other reserves getting much time next year...
-Get a new head scout

Yes our best signing in two years.

after rooney.

Oops i forgot him.:Bow:

and after ronaldo.
And i forgot him to.:chew: (6)

I was hoping we'd sign someone younger but van der Sar is a brilliant keeper. Fergie should really have looked at the long term though because it's no good chopping and changing all the time.

and heinze....

just shut up (Y)

just shut up (Y)


well said.

and heinze....

just shut up (Y)

Hahaha. :lui:

Wasn't expecting the signing at all.

Would have prefered a younger keeper but I like this move, Van der Sar has been the solid the past couple of seasons with Fulham. (Y)

van der sar is a great signing.
if he's good enough he'll can be first choice or second choice. if not he'd be great at the training ground guiding the younger keepers.

Howard, Van der Sar + another keeper sounds good to me.

do you guys think we will sign Park Ji-Sung ?

I wouldnt be suprised if both Arsenal and Liverpool sign younger good keepers.

Ah well, i'll miss the guy, he was by far our best player last season and i hope he does well

We finally got him ...

I liked him at Ajax, he sure is a good keeper (even if its only for 2-3 years)

now lets get at least 1 good midfielder (and sell Saha!)

i think we should spend money on a young keeper next season scouting this season because this signing still dosent slove our goalkeeping problem

now lets get at least 1 good midfielder (and sell Saha!)

Why sell Saha? Who's gonna buy a broken man? He's a good player still, he is just always injured. If anything leave our strike force as it is. We even have youth players (rossi) coming up.

We should just go for that elusive midfielder. 18m, ballack anyone?

Ballack is 30M at least. And he is not for sale.

no one cares about that stupid bayern fan yapping :ewan:

btw i was a little bit surprised when i saw the news
good signing though
we dont need two young keepers in a club
we have Tim Howard as the younger lad
Van Der Sar will provide experience to Tim and to the club
I don't think we need to find the third choice keeper as we have Steele and Heaton in the youth system
anyway I believe we should actually have signed VDS 6 years ago :lui:

I just hope one of the keepers will get a good run in the starting 11, im getting pissed at toggling keepers all the time, we had Schmeichel for almost 10 years and after him it has been like a roller coaster.

I agree with you, ericstarkid. We don't need another goalkeeper for the next season, Steele is not bad at all for a backup keeper.

Did ricardo ever play, if he did was he any good?

about 2 games, very messy and accident prone imo.

I'm suprised but satisfied with the signing of Van der Sar.

As we already know he's got experience. He pulls off some fantastic saves and i must say he does seem to play very well in European football. He's played at a high level for clubs like Juve and Ajax and has been a great keeper for Holland for 10 years. He's played well for Fulham although he has had some terrible clangers, but what keeper hasnt in the Premier League? (Cech could be one exception)

Maybe with a better defense in front of him Van Der Sar could be the perfect signing for us and put us back on track with the big boys. Also he aint gonna cost us anything like "Buffon" type money.

I woke up and see the news that Van der Sar is heading to Manchester United. I'm suggesting that Fergie doesn't have the foresight anymore. We could have signed this guy on a free but we paid some amount that we shouldn't have used.

Anyway, I think van der Sar is brilliant. But he needs to win over the critics fast and not make the odd mistakes.

With respect, I think some of you might be missing the point

Van der Saar in my opinion is a great aquistion at 2 million. Playing in front of your defense, and lest we forget, for a team like United, will re-energize him, im sure (not to take away from fulham, but lets face facts, in virtually every imaginable facet, this is a huge upgrade for him). Im sure he will be the solution your looking for in goal for at least a few years, and all at that very low price (dont forget, age is pretty irrelevant in goal).

But as a symbol, this signing is much more important. At the start of the glazer takeover, it was nothing but doom and gloom, and some had the worst outcome in mind. Yet now, the board, or whoever is really pulling the strings has shown a real willingness to improve the team, and spend real money despite the debt. If you get park too, Id call it a very successful summer for you Mancs already, given your unfortunate financial circumstances "the forehead" has piled on you

With respect, I think some of you might be missing the point

Van der Saar in my opinion is a great aquistion at 2 million. Playing in front of your defense, and lest we forget, for a team like United, will re-energize him, im sure (not to take away from fulham, but lets face facts, in virtually every imaginable facet, this is a huge upgrade for him). Im sure he will be the solution your looking for in goal for at least a few years, and all at that very low price (dont forget, age is pretty irrelevant in goal).

But as a symbol, this signing is much more important. At the start of the glazer takeover, it was nothing but doom and gloom, and some had the worst outcome in mind. Yet now, the board, or whoever is really pulling the strings has shown a real willingness to improve the team, and spend real money despite the debt. If you get park too, Id call it a very successful summer for you Mancs already, given your unfortunate financial circumstances "the forehead" has piled on you

Nice...Real Nice.....

i reckon we should we a defensive midifleder unless we decide to play phil more often. of course another playmaking midfield. park would be a good add but for sure someone in the squad must leave. we already have a huge squad, certainly we need somemore to leave and reduce the squad size

Did ricardo ever play, if he did was he any good?

always let in goals , no clean sheets, but he saved one penately against blackburn....

always let in goals , no clean sheets, but he saved one penately against blackburn....

i thought he is the one who concede the penalty? :rolleyes:

Man U signed Van der Sar? Wow, I didn't see this coming at all. Didn't even spot rumors. A very, very good signing. Finally the GK woes should be over. It's actually better you guys went with VdS instead of a young unproven talent since you need an immediate impact in the back and Van der Sar definately delivers. And only for 2 million? Wow, very nice, very nice indeed.

Why Ballack would want to join a fully debt loaded ManU when he is fine at Bayern and Real (A rich club for real) is after him?

Van der Sar was on a Bosman only a few months ago :ewan:

Finally, you get a decent goalie after Peter Schmeichel. :nape:

The Guardian said the fee is £1.5m.

United sign Van der Sar to solve No1 problem

Mike McGrath and Daniel Taylor
Monday June 6, 2005
The Guardian

Edwin van der Sar has become the first signing of the Malcolm Glazer era at Manchester United and the club's chief executive David Gill was in Holland last night to make the South Korean international Park Ji-sung the second.
Van der Sar, the 34-year-old Dutch international goalkeeper, has signed a two-year deal at Old Trafford after agreeing a move of around £1.5m from Fulham and, if everything goes according to plan, Park will sign for around £3m from the Dutch champions PSV Eindhoven. The 24-year-old attacking midfielder has impressed Sir Alex Ferguson with his performances in the Champions League this season, most notably against Milan in the semi-finals.

Van der Sar will go straight into the first team as a replacement for Roy Carroll, who was released after coming to the end of his contract last week. Ferguson wants the vastly experienced Dutchman to act as a mentor for Tim Howard, with the American international viewed as the long-term option.

Fulham have wasted little time in signing a replacement, finalising a pre-contract agreement with Jaroslav Drobny, a 25-year-old Czech who will arrive from the Greek side Panionios. Gill, meanwhile, spent the day in Holland where he had dinner with Van der Sar and then spoke to Park's representatives.

United are confident the deal is close to being finalised but the matter is complicated because their relationship with PSV has badly deteriorated over the last two years. Arjen Robben opted to join Chelsea in preference to a move to Old Trafford last year.

Glazer has pledged around £20m in transfer funds this summer but he will be aware, too, that an extensive recruitment programme will do little to repel the various support ers' groups opposing his takeover. The American multi-millionaire has not only employed round-the-clock security guards but called the police about a helicopter that was hovering over his Florida mansion, apparently believing there could be a sniper on board.

The Palm Beach Post in Tampa Bay reported that Glazer provided the police with the helicopter's fuselage number which was later tracked down to a neighbour.

"We weren't doing anything wrong, I swear," said the pilot Bob Miller, a local property developer who was on a joy ride with the county commissioner Jeff Koons. "I was showing Jeff my house and my son's house down the street. I didn't even know Malcolm lived there.

"When I got to my office the police were on the phone asking about a sniper on board. I was flying with the doors off but I can attest that no one wanted to do Malcolm in."

Glazer is expected to meet Gill in Tampa Bay this week to discuss his plans for the club but the 76-year-old businessman may never visit Manchester. While his son Joel wants an office at Old Trafford, as well as a seat in the directors' box, Glazer may oversee operations from Florida because, as the Palm Beach Post puts it, "some crazed fans who fear that he'll trash David Beckham's old club have threatened to kill him". The possibility of reprisals has also led Glazer to hire off-duty officers to guard his £7m beachfront mansion.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,1500066,00.html

The more and more i read about shareholders united, the more they seem like children who dont want to let go. I'm sorry for those who do support them, but what's done is done. We are signing some good players already (van der sar and hopefully park) and all is slowly calming down and going well. It's not like glazer has compeltly shut down the transfer's for us... with the right talent evaluators, 20 mill a year can go a long way. As for those threatening glazer (not saying it's shareholders cause i dont know who it is), it's truly ridiculous.

Hope PArk signs for us

The more and more i read about shareholders united, the more they seem like children who dont want to let go. I'm sorry for those who do support them, but what's done is done. We are signing some good players already (van der sar and hopefully park) and all is slowly calming down and going well. It's not like glazer has compeltly shut down the transfer's for us... with the right talent evaluators, 20 mill a year can go a long way. As for those threatening glazer (not saying it's shareholders cause i dont know who it is), it's truly ridiculous.

just to make a point

We don't like Glazer because:

1. he crippeled ManUtd with astronomic debts (from dept free) with no real possibility to pay them back (inlc. interest)

2. he so far refused to outlay any business plans aswell as sporting ones, he has not said a single word since he ows the club to what he intents to do.

and btw the 20 M £ Transferbudget is what we have to pay for him
the problems will start soon (about 1 year from now, when we won't be able to repay debts with interest) what will follow is

Playersales, Stadium & infrastructure sales or namesponsoring, more useless marketing tours & merchandising, higher prices (tickets, magazine etc) and in the end the club will have to annouce backruptcy.

just to make a point

We don't like Glazer because:

1. he crippeled ManUtd with astronomic debts (from dept free) with no real possibility to pay them back (inlc. interest)

2. he so far refused to outlay any business plans aswell as sporting ones, he has not said a single word since he ows the club to what he intents to do.

and btw the 20 M £ Transferbudget is what we have to pay for him
the problems will start soon (about 1 year from now, when we won't be able to repay debts with interest) what will follow is

Playersales, Stadium & infrastructure sales or namesponsoring, more useless marketing tours & merchandising, higher prices (tickets, magazine etc) and in the end the club will have to annouce backruptcy.





f*** GLAZER...



LEts be optimistic

i thought he is the one who concede the penalty? :rolleyes:

He did concede i suppose but he saved it too.. :)

What the **** is this?

United make Villa move
by Francisco Acedo

Manchester United have made a move to sign Real Zaragoza striker David Villa, according to the player's agent.

United are believed to have made their interest known to Zaragoza and are ready to rival Valencia for his signature.

Valencia have been in talks with Real Zaragoza for Villa for the last few days and are keen to bring him to La Mestalla.

Real Zaragoza are resigned to losing Villa due to their financial problems, but they are insistent that he will not be sold on the cheap.

Villa's release clause stands at €12 million and although Valencia are only offering €9 million Zaragoza are determined to get every penny for the striker.

Villa is regarded as one of the best young strikers in Spain and he was strongly linked with a move to Liverpool last January before they signed Fernando Morientes.

The 23-year-old enjoyed a productive season with Zaragoza last term netting 18 goals and breaking into the national team set-up.

His performances appear to have caught the eye of United boss Sir Alex Ferguson and he is hoping to lure him to Old Trafford.

News of United's interest in Villa comes as something of a surprise as they have an abundance of attacking talent already at Old Trafford with the likes of Wayne Rooney, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Alan Smith and Louis Saha all battling it out for places in the side.

However, it appears that Valencia are firm favourites to clinch Villa's signature with the player thought to be keen on staying in Spain at this stage of his career.

Villa's agent Jose Luis Tamargo has confirmed United's interest and admitted Villa is ready to snub a lucrative contract on offer from United to stay in Spain.

"The player is ready to accept less money to stay in La Liga," said Tamargo.

http://footballmsn.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=282651&cpid=23&CLID=&lid=2&title=United+make+Villa+move&channel=Football_Home

Van der Sar said he wants he'll retire at United.

I don't know much on Villa, but if our interest in him is genuine - then surely somebody must be on the way out ?!

I don't know much on Villa, but if our interest in him is genuine - then surely somebody must be on the way out ?!

You might be right, I think it's going to be Saha

great signing i think.
wonder who workd the brains out.
van is 34, and he has lets say around 3 years left, by that time tim howard will gain much experience and will be wel equipped to be our future goalkeeper for many years to come.
van der saar has a good command and just about the type of signing we needed. :lui:

fingers crossed its Saha and not Ruud, Roo or Smithy

after watching that bloopers video uploaded by houston
Peter the great had some terrible goalkeeping blunders too
T Ho's blunder against Porto ain't really that bad comparing with those
Just stick with T Ho
I absolutely agree with you. I think every keeper, every great keeper has made some big mistakes in their career. A keeper as legendary as Peter also made some really poor blunders. So we have to give Howard chances and support him. Van Der Sar is a good signing though.

Finally, the GK problem is solved..atleast for 2 years. At first i thought it wasnt a good signing considering his age but then i thought he is a very good keeper and shud guard our goal for 2-3 years and that too for 2m ! Moreover, Howard can learn(hes got potential ) from him and maybe he will be the future.

Now lets get Park and Essien (if possible). Havent seen much of Villa. how do u rate him guys? is he worth it?

Will Van Der Sar be given the no. 1 shirt? or just hand him the no. 13?
This signing can definitely give us a morale boost. Players and fans will feel comfortable to attack and feel confident on defence.

I've made a pic of our new keeper with Edwin's head putting on a Howard pic :p
http://www.soccergaming.tv/attachment.php?attachmentid=123850&stc=1

we don't know about the # yet - but I think the only free ones atm under 30 are 13, 19, 21 (mikel ev) and 26

ManUtd Squad & Numbers (http://www.manutd.com/teams/default.sps?iTeamID=458)

i wonder will he replace howard for the number 1 kit? :confused:

We have so many strikeers, but why are we still getting more????

i wonder will he replace howard for the number 1 kit? :confused:



I think so.....Normally a better keeper get the ''1'' jersey..


van der sar is better...

heard nothing of the david villa guy. if we approach for a striker, should be someone else out, lets hope is saha. i even wish we sell few more players (miller, kleberson..) to reduce the squad size and perhaps give more chance to the youngster, especially richardson.

park will be a good adition but i wish we can get another defensive midfielder

I think so.....Normally a better keeper get the ''1'' jersey..


van der sar is better...

this is pity for howard. from 14 -> 1 -> ? :|

this is pity for howard. from 14 -> 1 -> ? :|
yes...but the most important thing is that Timmy can learn something from Edwin.

and it seems that Richardson are having more and more support from the fans now. Fergie, dont forget we've got a young and fast and skillful left winger!

Finally a topkeeper again at Old Trafford, van der Sar is without a doubt one of the best goalkeepers for many years. The way he defended our goal against Romania last saturday was awesome again. He is dependable which means that if the defense looses the ball they still have to get past Edwin and that's not always an easy thing to do and attackers know this.
He is a goalkeeper who thinks ahead, sees things very fast in the game and he is a leaderfigure. Well done MU well done, I'm going to enjoy the team now even more with Edwin in the goal :lui: :lui:
O btw Tim Howard is not nearly as good as van der Sar :boohoo:

yes...but the most important thing is that Timmy can learn something from Edwin.

and it seems that Richardson are having more and more support from the fans now. Fergie, dont forget we've got a young and fast and skillful left winger!

ya. lets hope timmy do learn something valuable from edwin.

i would say he shows what he have and he deserve it. his performance speak it all

he probaly will learn something.

I think we get the point already...

i was just anding my input

David Villa Sanchez (Real Zaragoza) 15 Goals - skysports Info.

Well, does anyone know if he's an out and out striker, or more of a forward in the Henry/Reyes type. The only thing I know about him is from FM, and that he's supposed to be very good, but only recall seing him play once or twice in matches against Barca and Madrid.
This could be an interesting signing, but why the fvck?

I think it is pure speculation only

The only way we are gonna get Villa is if we sell Saha and Smith. There is still Ole.

there are only 3 players I'd keep before Smith and that's Rooney, Gaz, Keano

Smith is already a influental Squad Player and MUST stay, Saha on the other side can go ASAP.

fingers crossed its Saha and not Ruud, Roo or Smithy

why the hell would rooney be sold?

He's probably the safest player out of the lot.

why the hell would rooney be sold?

He's probably the safest player out of the lot.

Blow me. (H)

:(

I've got very mixed feeling about VdS. Potentially he could give us the extra security at the back we need but he's getting old and maybe slightly less sharp than he used to be and is just as likely to end up a liabilility. I think we would have been much better getting someone younger who had a future ahead of them. The comparison of his and Carroll's OPTA stats makes very interesting reading too. (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=282629&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=Opta:+Carroll+v+Van+der+Sar&channel=Premiership)

Couldnt United have just spent a bit more and waited for Frey?...Dont see the point of spending this money on a 34-year old and now Fulham can go sign Robert Green...

As for Richardson, would he really be able to replace Giggs...He was quite effective for WBA last season but that was mostly in the centre of midfield...

Couldnt United have just spent a bit more and waited for Frey?...Dont see the point of spending this money on a 34-year old and now Fulham can go sign Robert Green...

As for Richardson, would he really be able to replace Giggs...He was quite effective for WBA last season but that was mostly in the centre of midfield...

if VDS keeps up playing like he did last season it's worth the fee of 2-3 M £. We get a good expirienced goalie that can teach and hopefully improve the younger one. We got more time to look for a N1 or 2, depending on how you rate howard + we won't be forced to buy a expensive last minute goalie.

Fergie wanted a EXPIRIENCED Keeper not a younger one (Green, Robinson) and about Frey the same counts

Richardson definetly is the ManUtd Giggs Replacement - ; Young, English, Pace, Dribbling, Vision, good Crosses and better FKs than Giggs what more do you want ?!

Uh oh! Looks like Essien might do a 'John Obi Mikel' on us:

Essien to Chelsea? (http://www.teamtalk.com/teamtalk/News/Story_Page/0,7760,1778_504956,00.html)

Uh oh! Looks like Essien might do a 'John Obi Mikel' on us:

Essien to Chelsea? (http://www.teamtalk.com/teamtalk/News/Story_Page/0,7760,1778_504956,00.html)
That's just a rumor!
ive heard that Essien is going to stay so there are 3 option's:
1.he come's to us
2.he goes to Chelsea
3.he stays with Lyon

I'll bet for nr 3
(H)

I've got very mixed feeling about VdS. Potentially he could give us the extra security at the back we need but he's getting old and maybe slightly less sharp than he used to be and is just as likely to end up a liabilility. I think we would have been much better getting someone younger who had a future ahead of them. The comparison of his and Carroll's OPTA stats makes very interesting reading too. (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=282629&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=Opta:+Carroll+v+Van+der+Sar&channel=Premiership)

Yeah but Fulham's defence is **** compared to Man U's so those stats are a bit biased.

the stats dont lie
the stats arent biased at all
it all depends on how you interpret them
conclusion
Van der Sar > everything > sh!t > Carroll

the stats dont lie
the stats arent biased at all
it all depends on how you interpret them
conclusion
Van der Sar > everything > sh!t > Carroll
true2.....coz wit defend like fulham he still can keep clean sheet is amazing....wit united defend..i think he can do better......he just WC

the stats dont lie
the stats arent biased at all
it all depends on how you interpret them
conclusion
Van der Sar > everything > sh!t > Carroll

(:/)

The stats show Carroll coming out on top more than VdS so if they aren't biased then that should surely be Carroll > Van de Sar shouldn't it?

Stats aren't everything and that's just one season with different quality teams.

Whats everyone's problem with Carroll? i thought he was actually a decent keeper - maybe not United starter quality, but definately good enough for most Premiership clubs, at United he was a good 2nd keeper but nothing more really.



i'd prefer we got Scott Parker over Essien, we can get Parker for about £6mill and he's got that English drive in him aswell as being a class player in CM.

please fergie :)

Surely the way to improve our squad is to buy top class players, not ones that couldn't make the grade at Chelsea?

he definately has the potential to be a top class player, he's still good at the moment but he just doesn't fit in at Chelsea. But i certainly think he would at United.

imo he's the kind of player we need.

Chelsea will NEVER sell to a rival club

Unless they dont need him, and the rival pay double the money they payed for them. :ewan:

Chelsea will NEVER sell to a rival club

for a player like him, i think (hope) they would :)

I'm just thinkin that Lomana Lua Lua would be a good signing for United. Does anyone else think he'd be good to get. Or is it just me?

I'm just thinkin that Lomana Lua Lua would be a good signing for United. Does anyone else think he'd be good to get. Or is it just me?
It's just you.

We have much more pressing needs than yet ANOTHER striker; we have enough of em.

Whats everyone's problem with Carroll? i thought he was actually a decent keeper - maybe not United starter quality, but definately good enough for most Premiership clubs, at United he was a good 2nd keeper but nothing more really.

With VdS at Old Trafford, it would go VdS-Howard-Carroll, and I'm sure Carroll does not want to be put as the #3 keeper. A reason that he might not be able to play in the EPL is that his blunders are famous, especially in England, so clubs might not want to bring in an infamous keeper like him. He's not bad when he is on his game, but he is far too error-prone, and even at his best he does not compare to Van der Sar.


Richardson definetly is the ManUtd Giggs Replacement - ; Young, English, Pace, Dribbling, Vision, good Crosses and better FKs than Giggs what more do you want ?!
Giggs=Welsh

That's just a rumor!
ive heard that Essien is going to stay so there are 3 option's:
1.he come's to us
2.he goes to Chelsea
3.he stays with Lyon

I'll bet for nr 3
(H)

4) Arsenal buy him

4) Arsenal buy him
Youve already got a perfectly functional Patrick Viera. Why do you want the next one already? Granted, he may be less of a bitch, but still...

Because he's also a central defender, and Cygan is leaving

Because he's also a central defender, and Cygan is leaving
Ok, but I thought senderos was the real deal and given that, wouldnt you be looking for something more economical as a third option at center back....or are you computing with the assumption of Cole's sale and the estimated transfer kitty in the neighborhood of 45m pound?

He'd actually be 4th :(

Toure is first, by default because he's the only one who can play right center.

Campbell and Vieira are getting older, and Fabregas is still young. So we need someone if Gilberto gets hurt again.

He'd actually be 4th :(

Toure is first, by default because he's the only one who can play right center.

Campbell and Vieira are getting older, and Fabregas is still young. So we need someone if Gilberto gets hurt again.
The toure thing is noted. And you make a good point. Arsenal's youth are mighty impressive but its always a gamble without more experienced reserves. If a team could pry him from Lyon this season, though the hope seems to be fading, I think Arsenal could be most appealing to the lad at the moment.

By the way, now that we seem to have this thread to ourselves, i'd just like to say, Ive always though you had beautiful eyes :| :(

4) Arsenal buy him

prepare to get a new left back before thinking to get him (H)

He'd actually be 4th :(

Toure is first, by default because he's the only one who can play right center.

Campbell and Vieira are getting older, and Fabregas is still young. So we need someone if Gilberto gets hurt again.

I agree with Campbell getting older, but Vieira, please what have you been smoking, the boy is around 27 or 28 that isn't old at all.

Who would you guys want to be the next signing for Man U?

That's just a rumor!
ive heard that Essien is going to stay so there are 3 option's:
1.he come's to us
2.he goes to Chelsea
3.he stays with Lyon

I'll bet for nr 3
(H)

Haha, it is going to be the 3rd,
http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=282682&cpid=24&CLID=&lid=11&title=Essien+nears+Lyon+agreement&channel=France

I have a feeling that he will move to us in the future, what is he going to do at Chelsea's?, with the likes of Lampard, Joe Cole and Makelele ahead of you. He wouldn't stand a chance of being a regular starter. I am sure that he knows that too.

Giggs=Welsh

I know he's welsh, if you read carefully you can see that I was refering to Richie and not Giggsy.

I agree with Campbell getting older, but Vieira, please what have you been smoking, the boy is around 27 or 28 that isn't old at all.


Vieira has a bad knee, that tacks on around 3 years.

It didn't recover correctly.

He's still a great player, but that knee can only take a run of so many games and he has to sit. And we no longer have Edu (or Parlour) to call on.

And why do we need a new leftback? I've noticed no dropoff when Gael Clichy plays. In fact, he's faster than Cole.

ManUtd have made an official approach for PSV's Park.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4616589.stm

I hope the price won't be too high. Should defintely cost less than Robben.

Glazer sons join United baord. :(

http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=182632&itype=466&icategoryid=123

Glazer sons join United baord. :(

http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=182632&itype=466&icategoryid=123


WTF

I found out that Heinze can speak Welsh.

prepare to get a new left back before thinking to get him (H)
clichy?

:funny: I found out that Heinze can speak Welsh.

Well I'd be really interested - how on earth you came to that conclussion :funny:

btw: I've seen Glichy play at some French Under-whatever level
damn impressive the young frenchman - I'd like to have him if we wouldn't have Mr Argetina, nononsense Defener Gabriel Heinze.

I hope the price won't be too high. Should defintely cost less than Robben.

rumors said should be around £3m

rumors said should be around £3m

I think that's a bit low. He's got one year left on his contract which makes for a better negotiation position for ManUtd, but Park has played extremely well in the CL and he's young. I think we're lucky if we can get him for under 4-5m pounds = €6-7.5m

The player, who has a German father and an Italian mother, began his career in his homeland with Newell's Old Boys. Somewhat bizarrely, Heinze is able to speak Welsh. He hails from Patagonia, an area where many Welsh people settled in the 19th century and as such the language is spoken to some degree.

(Y)

http://www.manutdzone.com/playerpages/GabrielHeinze.jpg

ARG-EN-TINA! (8)
ARG-EN-TINA! (8)
ARG-EN-TINA! (8)

Ed: I Can Replace Schmeichel (http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=182402&itype=466&icategoryid=120)
"United wanted a goalkeeper with experience, leadership qualities and who has performed at the highest level. I am that man and I am still a player with big ambitions. I believe I am now back at a level where I belong."

Well said. We really need this kind of morale and experience boost now.

Its good to see that we are aggressive to approach the players now. We should buy suitable players ASAP and settle down early. A last-time expensive signing is not good. Fergie seems to have planned and targeted some players already. Really good to see this. Of coz it will be fantastic if we get Essien and so Chelsea cant.

(Y)
The player, who has a German father and an Italian mother, began his career in his homeland with Newell's Old Boys. Somewhat bizarrely, Heinze is able to speak Welsh. He hails from Patagonia, an area where many Welsh people settled in the 19th century and as such the language is spoken to some degree.
ARG-EN-TINA! (8)
ARG-EN-TINA! (8)
ARG-EN-TINA! (8) :funny: thanks for the info LMAO
btw what's the difference between Welsh & English ?
Maybe he adapted so easily because he understands/speaks the language well.

from rednews.co.uk
"FC United"s new name - the 3 final propositions are:

FC United of Manchester
FC Manchester Central
AFC Manchester 1878

what does AFC mean , FC stands for Football Club thats what I know.

Yup, they speak Welsh in Patagonia.

I don't think he'd adapt well in England because he speaks Welsh, it's as different to English as Norwegian is.

Yup, they speak Welsh in Patagonia.

I don't think he'd adapt well in England because he speaks Welsh, it's as different to English as Norwegian is.

thx for the language - summ up. well he gives everything in every game - so maybe it has to do with that. I'm so glad that Utd got him. he rocks :rockman:

thx for the language - summ up. well he gives everything in every game - so maybe it has to do with that. I'm so glad that Utd got him. he rocks :rockman:
Yes, Heinze Rocks!!! :rockman:

Has the United player of the season been announced? I guess its either Heinze or Rooney.

shuld b rooney....but heinze does got a chance in win it.......

i'd say heinze over rooney personally, he's been far more consistent.

i'd say heinze over rooney personally, he's been far more consistent.
I second that. However, Rooney scored some bloody great goals and defenders are always ignored.

PS. Dazmania's and MiCk_10's avatars are very similar. :p

I second that. However, Rooney scored some bloody great goals and defenders are always ignored.

PS. Dazmania's and MiCk_10's avatars are very similar. :p

true about defenders.

but my avatar is better :p

i'll go for heinze as well

true about defenders.

but my avatar is better :p
But Terry got the award :p perhaps the reason is none of the Chelsea's strikers outshine the midfielders and defenders.

your avatar is brighter but both are good coz thats Eric the King! :rockman:

I know he's welsh, if you read carefully you can see that I was refering to Richie and not Giggsy.
I thought that when you said:

Richardson definetly is the ManUtd Giggs Replacement - ; Young, English, Pace, Dribbling, Vision, good Crosses and better FKs than Giggs what more do you want ?!

That you meant that all of those things were things that they have in common.

Misunderstanding. (C)

I'm glad that we've made a move for Park, and I really hope that he signs for us. Look at our other PSV signings, Ruud and Stam, you can't deny that both were great for us. Hopefully Park (if we get him) will be even 3/4 as successful as the other two were/are at Old Trafford.

For the player of the year, I voted for Heinze. He's a real leader on the pitch (as is Rooney in a sense) but also keeps his head. He's been more dedicated than even Keano has, and all this in his first season. He's showing dedication of someone who's been at Old Trafford for ten years. After Keane is retired, I think that the captain armband will go to (in order of likeliness):

1: Gazza (Would likely make a good captain, great dedication and professionalism)
2: Heinze (My second favorite pick to get the band, behind VdS)
3: Van der Sar (I'd like VdS to get it)
4: Rio (I like him as a player but he's not deserving of the band)
5: Rooney (In a few year's he will hopefully have matured to a true leadership role)

I could have sworn that Fergie said that Rio was gonna be the next captain :confused:

Regardless of what Fergie said, I still don't think that he is deserving of the captaincy. The club and manager and fans stood by him for eight months due to his own dumb mistake, and now he holds for a huge paycheck. He was paid his wages when he wasn't even eligible to play, and now he wants more? I'm sure he does want to stay at the club, but he's just being a greedy, selfish prick right now. As good as he is on the field, we need someone who is willing to play their heart out for £120 a week, rather than £120,000 per week. The club isn't in the best of financial situations right now and he knows it, and he's already making a load of money. Just plain selfish. :kader: He doesn't even play with conviction or commitment like Heinze and Gazza and Keano and Rooney do.

Im glad to hear PSV have give Man Utd permission to offer Park a contract, and Park seem's really eager to join Man Utd, i feel like he's a player that will give 100% for the club everytime he play's, i hope the deal happen's.

for god sake! This whole Rio contract thing is getting out of hand!

What Rio has done is perfectly normal:

1. EVERYONE puts in a high unrealistic request in to start with and then it is negotiated down - that's a well known fact.

2. Rio has actually announced himself that he is totally commited to the club himself and can't wait to sign a new contract.

3. Contract negotiations always take a long time for a player of Rio's calibre, mainly because of agents.

4. It is mainly Rio's agent that is doing most of the negotiating.

Quotes from Rio himself from bbc.co.uk/sport

"Some people take two years; some people take 18 months; some people take a year"

"What I am saying is that people take 18 months to sign a contract. I have been given a month and my head is on the chopping board"


and Rio never looks like he's playing with conviction or commitment because he always looks so relaxed that's just his style. It doesn't mean he's NOT commited, it just doesn't look like he is.

FOR GOD SAKE HE IS NOT BEING SELFISH OR BETRAYING THE CLUB!! :nape:

i'm fed up with everyone f'ucking overreacting about everything :nape:

Rio = World Class Defender = Commited Man Utd Player = Next Captain

sorted.

for god sake! This whole Rio contract thing is getting out of hand!

What Rio has done is perfectly normal:

1. EVERYONE puts in a high unrealistic request in to start with and then it is negotiated down - that's a well known fact.

2. Rio has actually announced himself that he is totally commited to the club himself and can't wait to sign a new contract.

3. Contract negotiations always take a long time for a player of Rio's calibre, mainly because of agents.

4. It is mainly Rio's agent that is doing most of the negotiating.

Quotes from Rio himself from bbc.co.uk/sport

"Some people take two years; some people take 18 months; some people take a year"

"What I am saying is that people take 18 months to sign a contract. I have been given a month and my head is on the chopping board"


and Rio never looks like he's playing with conviction or commitment because he always looks so relaxed that's just his style. It doesn't mean he's NOT commited, it just doesn't look like he is.

FOR GOD SAKE HE IS NOT BEING SELFISH OR BETRAYING THE CLUB!! :nape:

i'm fed up with everyone f'ucking overreacting about everything :nape:

Rio = World Class Defender = Commited Man Utd Player = Next Captain

sorted.

Agreed!!

I bet the most peepz here don't even know the full story.

atleast someone here thinks with a clear head :).

1: Gazza (Would likely make a good captain, great dedication and professionalism)
2: Heinze (My second favorite pick to get the band, behind VdS)
3: Van der Sar (I'd like VdS to get it)
4: Rio (I like him as a player but he's not deserving of the band)
5: Rooney (In a few year's he will hopefully have matured to a true leadership role)

Who's Gazza? :S

Gary Neville :crazyboy:

he'd be a decent captain but i don't think he gets it usually because of his tendancy to argue alot with officials and generally talk too much. He's more of a "team-voice" but not captain if you understand me?

from rednews.co.uk
"FC United"s new name - the 3 final propositions are:

FC United of Manchester
FC Manchester Central
AFC Manchester 1878

what does AFC mean , FC stands for Football Club thats what I know.

Association Football Club, the word soccer came from that.

Association Football Club, the word soccer came from that.
Thanks for the Info


1: Gazza (Would likely make a good captain, great dedication and professionalism)
2: Heinze (My second favorite pick to get the band, behind VdS)
3: Van der Sar (I'd like VdS to get it)
4: Rio (I like him as a player but he's not deserving of the band)
5: Rooney (In a few year's he will hopefully have matured to a true leadership role)

My "Utd Captains-list":
ps: Gaz = Gary Neville (not Gazza - that's Paul Gascoigne's nick name)

1. Keane
2. G. Neville
3. Heinze
4. Smith
5. Rooney

Heinze needs to learn the language properly first heh

Rio would be my captain after Keane, maybe Gaz Nev after that.

Smith and Rooney are far too young imo, although Smith would be good if he was a regular.

for god sake! This whole Rio contract thing is getting out of hand!

What Rio has done is perfectly normal:

1. EVERYONE puts in a high unrealistic request in to start with and then it is negotiated down - that's a well known fact.

2. Rio has actually announced himself that he is totally commited to the club himself and can't wait to sign a new contract.

3. Contract negotiations always take a long time for a player of Rio's calibre, mainly because of agents.

4. It is mainly Rio's agent that is doing most of the negotiating.

Quotes from Rio himself from bbc.co.uk/sport

"Some people take two years; some people take 18 months; some people take a year"

"What I am saying is that people take 18 months to sign a contract. I have been given a month and my head is on the chopping board"


and Rio never looks like he's playing with conviction or commitment because he always looks so relaxed that's just his style. It doesn't mean he's NOT commited, it just doesn't look like he is.

FOR GOD SAKE HE IS NOT BEING SELFISH OR BETRAYING THE CLUB!! :nape:

i'm fed up with everyone f'ucking overreacting about everything :nape:

Rio = World Class Defender = Commited Man Utd Player = Next Captain

sorted.
I admit that in this situation you are right under the circumstances. I did not mean selfish as in selfish because he is holding out for a contract, everyone does that. But what angers me is that he still goes and puts out a huge number. Yes, it's not going to happen at 120000 per week, but still, for him to even play with that number after being paid wages to train, it's not an action I hold in the highest regards. You are right about his relaxed playing, it was a pretty invalid point I was making with that commitment/conviction comment. So basically, disregard just about everything from my last post. But I'd still like to see Gaz (I don't know why I called him Gazza... tired) as a captain, and when he retires, then it would likely be Rio's turn.

heinze still can't speak english?

he probably knows Basic English, as FM would say.

English(Basic)

houston! 23 of July. Are you going to the match? I think they have a couple more functions before that, souveneir auctions and practice before the match. going to those as well?

It's just been confirmed that I'll be in Hong Kong. I'm desperate for tickets.

why we have signed nobody, only v.d sar, oke its an great goalkeeper but we are supposed to sign more player like, juninho etc. right?

relax ! the transfer window has just opened and the register deadlines are still weeks/months ahead.

What do you guys think of Wolfburg's Andres D'alessandro?

why we have signed nobody, only v.d sar, oke its an great goalkeeper but we are supposed to sign more player like, juninho etc. right?

man, now is june. be patience

What do you guys think of Wolfburg's Andres D'alessandro?

i'm afraid he just another version of veron or forlan

What do you guys think of Wolfburg's Andres D'alessandro?
a great technican that will succed in spain, italy, germany but not england.
He would be a EPL-Veron here -it's way to quick and physical in the EPL.

If he stays in Germany or plays in Italy/Spain he can become a great player like Kaka, Ballack, Ronaldinho etc

I really think that kaka could really come here and do something he got some flair and can get rough when he needs to, quick, can hold the ball long, technicnally very good.
I could see him here and i could also see his price tag(it hurts my eyes).

Who do you think we will buy

Park i really wish kaka but thats never going to happen

MARK BOSNICH
I will never, ever, ever forgive the fatty sniffer for making me look silly in front of Sir in Brazil when he made a mess of two brilliantly perfect back passes from me. He had the nerve to blame me, Gary Neville, the bestest right-back (the hardest position in football) at the greatest club in the whole wide world ever! That's when I told Sir it would never work.

And he shouted at me (but I didn't cry. Much) once for using some of his talc on my winkie after a shower. What kind of talc costs £50 a gram though? Certainly not Karate!, which is my special favourite because mum says it makes me smell like a man.

And he's a Tory and everyone knows that Sir and me vote Labour (by the way, I think Sir should be Prime Minister and then I could be in his cabinet. Again).


MASSIMO TAIBI
A tramp. I once caught him sleeping in the goalmouth at Carrington. That's when I told Sir it would never work. He never did his homework and always tried to get out of having a bath - and then he had the cheek to tell Sir when I tried to get his kit off and drag him in! That's when he had mud on his knees for two whole weeks. And he wouldn't even let me spit on my hanky and rub it off like Mum does.

I miss him.


FABIEN BARTHEZ
A silly, silly man who thought he had the bushiest moustache on the whole team - I think he must have been jealous because his girlfriend Linda obviously thought that I was much more handsome with a much thicker moustache, and Mum agreed. And so did Phil after the Chinese burn. But I had to break her heart because we all know girls smell. That's when I told Sir it would never work.

I once asked David if I could kiss him on the head like Blankety-Blanc (:-)) did to Barthez before every game, but he said some very rude words to me. This is how you know David really, really likes you.


ANDY GORAM
A nice, cuddly man who reminded me of Matron.


ROY CARROLL
Sweaty Sock Roy is leaving the greatest club in the world ever now because Sir said he wouldn't give him any money and would only pay him in chips. I don't know what's wrong with that - Wayne gets paid in chips (and sausages for goals) and he's very happy. I would play for Action Men or bottles of Karate!. I helped Sir take the wheels off Roy's caravan so he couldn't take it with him.

I hope he plays for a Premiership club next season so that I can score lots and lots of spectacular goals. I scored one in training once against Roy. That's when I told Sir it would never work.

(By the way, whatever people say, that wasn't a goal against Tottenham. It's just that the light and the way that the grass was cut made it look like it was. In fact, lots and lots of goals have been given against us at Old Trafford that were never goals at all. So there.)


RICARDO
My best friend at the club - he was the only one who never told me to f*** off. And despite what Rio says, this is not because he can't speak English.


TIM HOWARD
Says a lot of rude words (like 'ass'! He he) but not as many as Roy and Sir. Apparently he is autistic (I lent him Rainman so he could understand but I don't think he knows how to use a DVD). Sir is trying to tap into his powers so he can win at horse racing. He let me put a bet on once of 23p - which is exactly half what Sweaty Sock Roy was paid before he left.

I found out that Tim is American. That's when I told Sir it would never work.

http://www.football365.com/features/fun_features/story_154260.shtml

:( :( :(

MARK BOSNICH
I will never, ever, ever forgive the fatty sniffer for making me look silly in front of Sir in Brazil when he made a mess of two brilliantly perfect back passes from me. He had the nerve to blame me, Gary Neville, the bestest right-back (the hardest position in football) at the greatest club in the whole wide world ever! That's when I told Sir it would never work.

And he shouted at me (but I didn't cry. Much) once for using some of his talc on my winkie after a shower. What kind of talc costs £50 a gram though? Certainly not Karate!, which is my special favourite because mum says it makes me smell like a man.

And he's a Tory and everyone knows that Sir and me vote Labour (by the way, I think Sir should be Prime Minister and then I could be in his cabinet. Again).


MASSIMO TAIBI
A tramp. I once caught him sleeping in the goalmouth at Carrington. That's when I told Sir it would never work. He never did his homework and always tried to get out of having a bath - and then he had the cheek to tell Sir when I tried to get his kit off and drag him in! That's when he had mud on his knees for two whole weeks. And he wouldn't even let me spit on my hanky and rub it off like Mum does.

I miss him.


FABIEN BARTHEZ
A silly, silly man who thought he had the bushiest moustache on the whole team - I think he must have been jealous because his girlfriend Linda obviously thought that I was much more handsome with a much thicker moustache, and Mum agreed. And so did Phil after the Chinese burn. But I had to break her heart because we all know girls smell. That's when I told Sir it would never work.

I once asked David if I could kiss him on the head like Blankety-Blanc (:-)) did to Barthez before every game, but he said some very rude words to me. This is how you know David really, really likes you.


ANDY GORAM
A nice, cuddly man who reminded me of Matron.


ROY CARROLL
Sweaty Sock Roy is leaving the greatest club in the world ever now because Sir said he wouldn't give him any money and would only pay him in chips. I don't know what's wrong with that - Wayne gets paid in chips (and sausages for goals) and he's very happy. I would play for Action Men or bottles of Karate!. I helped Sir take the wheels off Roy's caravan so he couldn't take it with him.

I hope he plays for a Premiership club next season so that I can score lots and lots of spectacular goals. I scored one in training once against Roy. That's when I told Sir it would never work.

(By the way, whatever people say, that wasn't a goal against Tottenham. It's just that the light and the way that the grass was cut made it look like it was. In fact, lots and lots of goals have been given against us at Old Trafford that were never goals at all. So there.)


RICARDO
My best friend at the club - he was the only one who never told me to f*** off. And despite what Rio says, this is not because he can't speak English.


TIM HOWARD
Says a lot of rude words (like 'ass'! He he) but not as many as Roy and Sir. Apparently he is autistic (I lent him Rainman so he could understand but I don't think he knows how to use a DVD). Sir is trying to tap into his powers so he can win at horse racing. He let me put a bet on once of 23p - which is exactly half what Sweaty Sock Roy was paid before he left.

I found out that Tim is American. That's when I told Sir it would never work.

http://www.football365.com/features/fun_features/story_154260.shtml

:( :( :(


HAHA! I love those Neville-perspective evaluations. Kudos to whoever writes them.

Personally, I think Essien staying at Lyon for another year means that, when next summer rolls around, its between ManU and Madrid to fight for his signature. Im sure they will have made a place by then, and if all goes as before, and the Van der Saar move is a sign of things to come, then it looks as if life as normal will resume after this summer in terms of transfers. That means, with acquiring park this year, you could have a midfield of...

---Rooney----Park----Ronaldo----
------Essien------Fletch--------

and thats if a declining Scholes or Giggs arent up to it. A midfield like that could carry you through for another half decade without tampering. The oldest player would be like 25 (Y)

MARK BOSNICH
I will never, ever, ever forgive the fatty sniffer for making me look silly in front of Sir in Brazil when he made a mess of two brilliantly perfect back passes from me. He had the nerve to blame me, Gary Neville, the bestest right-back (the hardest position in football) at the greatest club in the whole wide world ever! That's when I told Sir it would never work.

And he shouted at me (but I didn't cry. Much) once for using some of his talc on my winkie after a shower. What kind of talc costs £50 a gram though? Certainly not Karate!, which is my special favourite because mum says it makes me smell like a man.

And he's a Tory and everyone knows that Sir and me vote Labour (by the way, I think Sir should be Prime Minister and then I could be in his cabinet. Again).


MASSIMO TAIBI
A tramp. I once caught him sleeping in the goalmouth at Carrington. That's when I told Sir it would never work. He never did his homework and always tried to get out of having a bath - and then he had the cheek to tell Sir when I tried to get his kit off and drag him in! That's when he had mud on his knees for two whole weeks. And he wouldn't even let me spit on my hanky and rub it off like Mum does.

I miss him.


FABIEN BARTHEZ
A silly, silly man who thought he had the bushiest moustache on the whole team - I think he must have been jealous because his girlfriend Linda obviously thought that I was much more handsome with a much thicker moustache, and Mum agreed. And so did Phil after the Chinese burn. But I had to break her heart because we all know girls smell. That's when I told Sir it would never work.

I once asked David if I could kiss him on the head like Blankety-Blanc (:-)) did to Barthez before every game, but he said some very rude words to me. This is how you know David really, really likes you.


ANDY GORAM
A nice, cuddly man who reminded me of Matron.


ROY CARROLL
Sweaty Sock Roy is leaving the greatest club in the world ever now because Sir said he wouldn't give him any money and would only pay him in chips. I don't know what's wrong with that - Wayne gets paid in chips (and sausages for goals) and he's very happy. I would play for Action Men or bottles of Karate!. I helped Sir take the wheels off Roy's caravan so he couldn't take it with him.

I hope he plays for a Premiership club next season so that I can score lots and lots of spectacular goals. I scored one in training once against Roy. That's when I told Sir it would never work.

(By the way, whatever people say, that wasn't a goal against Tottenham. It's just that the light and the way that the grass was cut made it look like it was. In fact, lots and lots of goals have been given against us at Old Trafford that were never goals at all. So there.)


RICARDO
My best friend at the club - he was the only one who never told me to f*** off. And despite what Rio says, this is not because he can't speak English.


TIM HOWARD
Says a lot of rude words (like 'ass'! He he) but not as many as Roy and Sir. Apparently he is autistic (I lent him Rainman so he could understand but I don't think he knows how to use a DVD). Sir is trying to tap into his powers so he can win at horse racing. He let me put a bet on once of 23p - which is exactly half what Sweaty Sock Roy was paid before he left.

I found out that Tim is American. That's when I told Sir it would never work.

http://www.football365.com/features/fun_features/story_154260.shtml

:( :( :(


:rofl:

Man United still generates more revenue than any other club.

Manchester United are still the world's top club when it comes to generating revenue, according to new figures. Deloitte's annual report into football's finances revealed the club are still ahead of Chelsea when it comes to generating money - despite the London side's billionaire backer Roman Abrahmovich. But the London club now dwarf United's spending power when it comes to wages and salaries, after seeing their annual bill rise 110% while United's fell by 3%. United were top of in terms of revenue generation with £172million - the most for any club in the world - but Chelsea, with £144million, narrowed the gap. United's wage bill for the 03/04 season was 76,874,000, down 3% on the season before.

This is will, no doubt, be good news for the Glazer army.

LINK (http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/sport/football/manchesterunited/s/161/161597_reds_still_ahead_for_finance.html)

Meanwhile Glazer has given Fergie ultimatum: win or goodbye

Glazer comment (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=351474&in_page_id=1779&in_a_source=&ct=5)

What an idiot. He is very much trying to act like Abramovich...win or else kinda thing.

[QUOTE=newbie original] Meanwhile Glazer has given Fergie ultimatum: win or goodbye[QUOTE]

I think we shud give Glazer an ultimatum: Shut the f**k up or get killed!! :)

What an idiot. He is very much trying to act like Abramovich...win or else kinda thing.

If you can show me where Roman Ab ever said this then I'll accept that comment. Abramovich has always said he is in it for the long haul and instant results never mattered AFAIK :S

Glazer seems like a typical American businessman - fast buck, big profits. I feel for your club and I hope you have some success dispite this fat muppet of a man.

i'm confused. Is that writer confusing Tim's disease? He has tourettes not autism. Or is he trying to make a joke? Albeit not funny.

c.ronaldo just scored another goals for portugal :|

so does nistelrooy :D

jesus christ, this is over the friggin edge right here... SAF been around since the mid 80's, and here comes this fat ass american, saying "Win or leave ferguson"... does he realize the fans are going to (if they havent already started) hate him! he's digging himself a whole thats gonna be impossible to climb out of, and he doesnt seem to care! true, he's in it for the money, but show some respect man! here's a guy that does magic as a manager, and he's gonna get pushed off by a friggin american out for nothing less than money! and whos gonna get appointed? the friggin manager of the best team in the MLS (god help me idk who that is :nape: )???

god help us!!! :(

The Glazers finally stormed the Manchester United boardroom yesterday and told manager Sir Alex Ferguson that he must deliver the Premiership title next season.

i realize it aint a direct quote but SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!! :(

it makes me want to cry :(

and who the hell are we gonna be televised by? "FOX Soccer Channell"??? :(

what sponser are we gonna have.. if Glaser is on teh front of those jerseys... haha, that'd be great, no-one would buy em... but still...

and Joel Glazer in the friggin board room??? OMFG!!!!!

"expecting immediate dividends?" well this prooves just bout everything doesnt it :(

god dammit, this is sad, seriously :(

glazer just a plain business man. he knows nothing but profit. i read an article about him in a chinese web site. the article said he support the wrong football team when his own team get scored :| f.ck the f.cking f.cker glazer :f***: :f***: :f***:

i'm confused. Is that writer confusing Tim's disease? He has tourettes not autism. Or is he trying to make a joke? Albeit not funny. Its supposed to be Gary Neville who's writing that, the whole thing is a big joke.

United make move for winger

Valencia have dismissed an enquiry from Manchester United for winger Vicente.

The Premiership giants reportedly lodged their interest in the Spain international but their enquiry met with a cool response from Valencia.

Vicente is purported to be Sir Alex Ferguson's latest transfer target after the Scot started his summer recruitment drive with the capture of Dutch goalkeeper Edwin van der Sar.

But Ferguson has been given no encouragement by Valencia, who are determined to retain the services of the wide man.

The 23-year-old has a further two years remaining on his contract and is rated in the £14 million bracket.

The Che have regularly stated they do not wish to sell Vicente and club president Juan Soler confirmed he had rebuffed an enquiry from Old Trafford.

"A director at the English club called me but Vicente is totally untransferable," Soler told The Sun.

Vicente is also aware of the interest from United but acknowledged he has no yearning to quit the Mestalla for The Premiership.

The winger said: "It's pleasing United are interested but I'm happy at Valencia.

"I know that United are interested in me but I didn't speak to anyone.

"The president informed me about this situation.

"But I'm happy to remain at Valencia because I was born here and it's my home."

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=283286&cpid=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=United+make+move+for+winger&channel=Premiership

guess with a big bag of money he could be a manu player,so i dont think it's going to happen!
Vicente could be awsome at OT!
(H)

man.. ronaldo is smokin in the WC qualifiers

Here (http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/sport/football/manchesterunited/s/161/161541_reds_reinforcements.html) is a article from yesterdays MEN - summs up quite nicely the current squad ATM.

man.. ronaldo is smokin in the WC qualifiers

he play as a forward for portugal but as a winger for us. glad he keep scoring goals for portugal :)

and who the hell are we gonna be televised by? "FOX Soccer Channell"??? :(


You already are!!!! OMFG!!!!

hmm true - Ronaldo scores more as a "striker" for PT than for ManUtd as a winger...
that for we would need a reliable midfield.

Even if I upset a lot of people here now but Keane/Scholes are mostly - passed their best if you look at the performance - that has absolutly nothing to do with their commitment and ability.

This "system" only works if the the midfield push forward and deliver usefull passes/crosses - that was mostly not the case last season...(not only but aswell because we had to leave a young player with Keane)

4-3-3 becasue a 4-5-1 doesn't work for us

--------------Van der Sar--------------
G.Neville-Ferdinand-Brown/O’Shea-Heinze
---------------------------------------
------Fletcher---Smith---Richarson-----
---------------------------------------
---------Ronaldo---------Rooney-------
----------------Nistelrooy--------------

4-4-2 is and always will be my favourite

--------------Van der Sar--------------
G.Neville-Ferdinand-Brown/O’Shea-Heinze
----------------------------------------
--Ronaldo--Fletcher-Smith--Richardson--
----------------------------------------
---------Nistelrooy------Rooney--------

i don't want to see o'shea as center back :| i rather heinze switch to partner ferdinand at center and o'shea take left.

since becks left us, our squad have not much player able to produce good and quality crosses. so, i prefer we play simple quick tempo team football, short pass, 1-2 pass, through ball with players swaping position rather than keep playing the ball down both flanks for wingers and cross in for nistelrooy.

i don't wish we play smith as defensive midfielder. though he may do all the dirty works for us but are we already forget the hardworking phil neville? i would like to see him rotate with keane in defensive midfielder role. about smith, i prefer he play as supporting forward or center midfielder that can win us possesion.

i don't wish we play smith as defensive midfielder.
No I don't mean to use him as a DM - but as a CM

United make move for winger

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=283286&cpid=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=United+make+move+for+winger&channel=Premiership

Not that I would think it could happen, but now I really doubt that we will ever see Richardson in the starting 11.

Not that I would think it could happen, but now I really doubt that we will ever see Richardson in the starting 11.

probably he has no faith in him :nape:

it's one of the most ridiculous situations - how long have we been asking/saying that we need a giggs replacement - then we get one that we bought, but still formed and now he's looking for foreign players... :kader:

ps: not sure if it's all SAF's fault...maybe it's Mr $occer-I-own-a-still-PLC-Club-with-huge-debts probably prefers a foreign one (to get more fans and $) alltough I doubt SAF would allow such interferences.

he probably knows Basic English, as FM would say.

English(Basic)

houston! 23 of July. Are you going to the match? I think they have a couple more functions before that, souveneir auctions and practice before the match. going to those as well?

It's just been confirmed that I'll be in Hong Kong. I'm desperate for tickets.
I really want to go to the match... are u going to buy the $1200 ticket?
and i really really really want to go to the practice too... but i dont know where we can get the pass.

Today's newsapaper said that Fergie promised that the strongest squard will come. Dong and Van der Sar will hopefully have their first match at Untied in Hong Kong.. :)

Vicente would be a top signing, doubt it'll happen though.

U won't see Vicente playing in ManU, specially if you only pay 20€ millions :\

He is my wet dream for Real Madrid

thats £20mill not Euros.

£20mill = ~30mill Euros


i doubt we'd get him for that either though. Maybe Just.

But we've got Richardson, we don't need him :rockman:

Valencia missed out on a CL spot, so they may be tempted to let Vicente go for 20m. But will he agree to personal terms for the premiership.

I think Vicente said that he doesn't want to leave Valencia, although I have heard that before. If does he leave Valencia, I can only see him going to another La Liga club. It would be risky to bring La Liga based player to EPL for that kind of money anyway. We have Ronaldo, Giggs, Richardson and Park (if he comes) who can all play in left so we really don't need Vicente, even if he is world class.

Blah forget these Spanish mama boys man. I doubt they'd want to leave their homes with nice weather etc and come to rainy manchester anyway, they dont have the ambition and/or balls.

Argh, I'm still mad that Kenyon f*cked us over Robben... I can't really think of any other good wingers on the market so we'll have to make do with what we have and go after proper targets like a holding midfielder.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, we can go for Wesley Sneijder who isn't an out and out winger but he has some great ball distribution, I'm sure he can play in the Scholes role and on the wings from time to time.

You already are!!!! OMFG!!!!

im sorry, i know, i had a trip to america for school i just returned from, and that new channel FSC is showing games all the time, after their deal with Sky to show the EPL games, its just an example, at the team becoming Americanized... you live in the UK or at least not america right? so many of the other networks that could be the major one that exclusively televises man utd, i really couldnt name any american ones other than FSC.. maybe ESPN, but who the heck in the US gives a damn about football... many things have already been americanized, like it or not. but many people would rather have the US to have nothing to do with it at all! of course, the US has to have its little nose into everyones business, and some US involvement is absolutely impossible to stop. but when it comes to having money-guided americans demanding that man utds manager is going to be shown the door if he doesnt win the EPL, its too far. im not saying manchester uniuted cant, of course the team can win the title. but, given chelsea's position, they will be the team to beat next year... and demanding the EPL title, while certainly giving some incentive to win, will defenitely turn this year around in terms of the general atmosphere of the game - everyone knowing that the manager since 86 could be shown the sack if he doesnt win the EPL.

Hey i live the us and i give a damn about football.

but you're not American are you. Look around, your baseball loving neighbours, basketball playin friends, football pimpin cheerleaders (oh mercy!;)) You get the picture. Football ain't even reached half the demand that it would get in Europe, or Asia, let alone Saouth America etc etc.

So who the hell is he (the billspayer), to tell our manager to do what, this isn't American sport where u draft/trade players. In football, hard cash is what you gets you world class talent(and good youth system). Now that we got the 3 stooges roaming the board, who knows what kind of crap they could come up with. I'm just hoping they put some positive input into the club...Fingers crossed...really...









ah fvck it!

but you're not American are you. Look around, your baseball loving neighbours, basketball playin friends, football pimpin cheerleaders (oh mercy!;)) You get the picture. Football ain't even reached half the demand that it would get in Europe, or Asia, let alone Saouth America etc etc.

So who the hell is he (the billspayer), to tell our manager to do what, this isn't American sport where u draft/trade players. In football, hard cash is what you gets you world class talent(and good youth system). Now that we got the 3 stooges roaming the board, who knows what kind of crap they could come up with. I'm just hoping they put some positive input into the club...Fingers crossed...really...

Way to stereotype Americans. Not everyone in America is a baseball lover, basketball player, or football pimpin cheerleaders.

What do you hate more about Glazer, his debt or his nationality?

On the issue of Vicente, I really really really don't think that it would be a smart use of our money. He'd cost us just about all of our remaining transfer money for the year, and it's a position where we have 3 (or 4, if Park is to sign for us) talented players. Giggs may still have a year or two left (but he must improve from this last season) and Richardson should be able to break into the XI.

Oh and Seven8, I like your 4-3-3 and 4-4-2, except for having Smith in the midfield.

i think Alan Smith would be a quality DMC or MC if he could learn to tackle - he has similar determination and leadership qualities to Keane and also, he NEVER stops. He's one guy i know i can rely on to run his heart out in any situation.

I don't think smith has the positional senses that someone like Keane posses, or even O'Shea. Also many of his passes seem to go astray, now imagine him operating at midfield, giving away possession.

not O'Shea at all, but Smith definately has the potential to become very good in that position - he's still young and still learning. But O'Sheas not that kind of player at all.

i think Alan Smith would be a quality DMC or MC if he could learn to tackle - he has similar determination and leadership qualities to Keane and also, he NEVER stops. He's one guy i know i can rely on to run his heart out in any situation.
I agree that he could be shaped into a good player for DMC/MC, but right now he is best as a striker, and I couldn't see him maintaining a role in the midfield. But hopefully Fergie is thinking similarly to you because you're right, he has the potential to be perfect in the position. He'll be a good leader, once he starts getting into the team more often.

Oh yeah, and I didn't have time to type this the other day, but what I meant about Rio's apparent lack of conviction/commitment is that as a captain, I think we need someone who clearly shows their convictions with their play. Rio is by far our best defender, but he's not the type of player who could motivate his team through his play. I think Gary and Heinze are that type of player. While they're not as good as Rio (they're still damn good), they are the type of defender that can change a game with one tackle, the same way Keane did/does in the midfield. I didn't mean to say that Rio is not a committed Red Devil, but you can't see his commitment because of his fluid play.

well with Heinze and Gaz Nev on the pitch, Rio doesn't need to show his conviction does he? He shows his commitment etc. by being himself and being the cool, calm and collected defender he is - this is extremely inspirational for the players around him (i know, i've played with someone very similar to Rio). He'd be a great captain because of his calmness and he is also a great communicator and telling peopler where to be.