Can't believe that Gaz is punished for that "incident". If this is going to be the case, then a lot of players in the future will be receiving much worse.

our players are always the scapegoats

Barwick that Scouse c*nt *?!# ARGH

The Nev Imprope-Cunduct is a joke - again Utd Players get a different treatment...

Why are you stressing he'll only get a slap on the wrist and at worst a fine, the only reason he was charged because Riley decided after the game that he would have booked him.
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lol at official man utd website
'In the second half United came out strongest. Van Nistelrooy was again denied his second foal, forcing a magnificent full-stretch save from Friedel on 49 minutes.'

The Reserves are top of the league again. Rossi hit two, and Vidic made his first United start.

why that?

5 yellows.

http://www.soccergaming.tv/attachment.php?attachmentid=126864&stc=1

back from celebrating australia day.
so has anyone seen this vogel guy play? is he the type of player we need right now? is he a ac milan reject?

Vogel is not a AC Milan reject IMO, he has the likes as Pirlo and Gatusso in front of him, Milan never gave him a chance, but that's what they do, they buy players from upcoming teams and end up benching them, they did the same to Dhorasoo. Vogel was class during his PSV time, he was a major factor in the succesfull CL season of PSV last year, you can put him in the same bracket as Makelele, almost invincible during a match, but they work hard and clear most of the threats. He builts up play mainly by giving the simple but yet effective passes. We could use a mdifielder now and I think he could be usefull on the short term, he can decide the tempo in midfield etc, but I would prefer another midfielder for the long term.
I think SAF will try and loan a midfielder instead of buying him this moment, there isn't enough time to negotiate etc.

ah k thanks for the info man.

Simao to remain with Benfica
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=357383&CPID=8&clid=&lid=&title=Simao+to+remain+with+Benfica

Psh, I knew we had a central midfield shortage, but now we even have a wing shortage... :nape: Simao would be nice, but it should still be our priority (if we sign/loan ONE player) to find a central midfielder. Graveson just said that the diving and lack of punishment in La Liga results in La Liga being "for cowards and I will never get used to it. The day that I start doing it will be the day I retire."

Grav: Liga is for Cowards (http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=357196&CPID=23&CLID=1&lid=&title=Grav:+Liga+is+for+cowards&channel=skysports_home_page)

Graveson would do well enough for now, since it will be hard to find someone new in the last few days, and work on negotiations with the club and player. Real don't need him, he wants out, and I'm sure we could do something where we loan him now and have the option to buy later...

Oh, and I found this interesting.

Fergie's Solskjaer Regret (http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=356881&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=Fergie's+Solskjaer+regret&channel=skysports_home_page)

SAF definitely should've made Ole a winger earlier, it's not like he ever contributed as an amazing goalscoring striker... :rolleyes:

Vogel would be a bad move IMO

His Vision is great, the passing average, the tacklings are non existent + he is hardly a goal threat and he's quite injury prone.

Gravesen on the other hand is EPL suited, proven and very good technically. Still he now plays regularly again for Madrid.

We'll probably have to get someone on loan , the Glazers are tight like mans anus

and D3adly can you cut down your sig , it takes up my whole screen

http://www.soccergaming.tv/attachment.php?attachmentid=126866

Anyone here use this site: http://www.fbtz.com/forum/index.php? ? A torrent site, they upload full matches, shows: MOTD, documentary, season reviews etc. Great site.

Does anyone get the feeling that if we don't get a midfielder by 31st, Rio is gonna play in midfield and Vidic plays with Brown at the back?

Does anyone get the feeling that if we don't get a midfielder by 31st, Rio is gonna play in midfield and Vidic plays with Brown at the back?
I'd believe it. Either that, or Rio and Brown in CB with Vidic at DM. I have a good feeling that we're going to get someone though, whether it is on loan or a transfer.

some1 also readed about adu i hope that he will come he is so good the new super talent of man u

The search for a new midfielder during this transferwindow doesn't look good

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=356616&cc=5739

Jones has been recalled

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=357944&CPID=8&clid=&lid=&title=Jones+back+at+United

just a short question does UTD have 2 Jones Midfielders out on loan ?!

David Jones @ NEC Nijmegen
Richie Jones @ Royal Antwerp

I tought David was the one with the rave reviews why do we recall the other ?!

So, anyone wanna place bets on when will Fergie get charged by FA for the comments he made?

Man Mikel is pure class, he just scored a goal for Nigeria comin' on as a sub, I won't be happy if Man U decide to leave him. Selling him to Chelsea will only make them stronger. His distribution and positioning is awesome....

Man Mikel is pure class, he just scored a goal for Nigeria comin' on as a sub, I won't be happy if Man U decide to leave him. Selling him to Chelsea will only make them stronger. His distribution and positioning is awesome....
He doesn't want to play for us, so selling him and making money out of nothing would be the best choice.

He doesn't want to play for us, so selling him and making money out of nothing would be the best choice.
If we sell, how much would we actually get for future transfers?

like 10 million I suppose.

just a short question does UTD have 2 Jones Midfielders out on loan ?!

David Jones @ NEC Nijmegen
Richie Jones @ Royal Antwerp

I tought David was the one with the rave reviews why do we recall the other ?!

Richie Jones was the one who played in the Brentford game, and David Jones was the one that went with the tour to USA. SkySports is confusing because it's all about Richie Jones, with a pic of David :confused:

looks like its Richie Jones that has come back, didn't look too bad when i've seen him play.

Ferguson abandons midfield search. Great (Y) :(
http://www.teamtalk.com/teamtalk/News/Story_Page/0,7760,2483_979772,00.html

BTW are the 2 Jones siblings?

as far as i know they're not. Jones is quite a common name in the UK.

Jones vs Jones or Jonesx2 ?!
So which of the Jones-ys is the good one ? (which everyone raves about in the youth setup)
I haven't heard from Ritchie until today, always thought there was only one and that was David...

Mikel

A player who doesn't want to play for us - should just f*ck off, if we can get money for him, the better (since we don't pay his wages anyway). maybe he's a good player but he's not comitted so he can go and watch, eh I mean play for chelsea instead (I bet SWP is thinking wtf have I done, I only seldom play)

David Jones is the good one
Richard Jones has been featuring on the bench in those FA cup and Carling cup games
he started against Burton in the 0-0 tie
from what i saw in that game
he was pretty average

I'm looking for an "online" article that once came up in this, last seasons or the season before thread about "instead of dominating the midfields all over europe, butty is going downhill, becks has not been himslef at RM, Giggs, Scholes getting old and still at Utd, etc

It was quite a good article but I can't find the link anymore - can anybody help me ?

De Jong makes switch to Hamburg (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4652756.stm)

De Jong's contract with Ajax was due to expire in July 2006 and he is believed to have left for nearly £700,000.
:nape:

We could've gotten him cheap.

Giggs Hamstring Fears Allayed
http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=298870&itype=466&icategoryid=120

Papers: Rooney plays peacemaker
http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsId=298620&itype=466&icategoryid=365

Fergie Unlikely To Make Third January Signing
http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=298646

Jonah Moves Out Of His Comfort Zone
http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=297690

Fergie won't 'betray' Scotland
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=357789&CPID=8&clid=&lid=&title=Fergie+won't+'betray'+Scotland

Scolari backing for Ronaldo
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=357775&CPID=219&clid=&lid=&title=Scolari+backing+for+Ronaldo

Fergie Unimpressed By Double Charge
http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=298874&itype=466&icategoryid=120



Wolves will be no pushover, especially at Molineux. Fergie knows this and I would expect him to field the strongest team possible. This is no Burton Albion to go playing youngsters against.

dave jones is back:
Jonah Moves Out Of His Comfort Zone
http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=297690

No, David Jones is not back. If you would READ the article, it's talking about how Rene Meulensteen (reserve coach) thinks that David Jones will come back at the end of the season as a stronger player and a stronger person.

However, Ritchie Jones is back.

Reading helps.

sorry my mistake, its just that when i read"Reserves boss Rene Meulensteen has backed David Jones to come back from his loan spell at NEC Nijmegen both a new player and a new person" i got excited.
anyways on that de jong move, well that's fergie for ya too slow in the market. he would have be an awesome player for us in the future but ey hes gone.

De Jong got a lot of offers and I am sure we were included, it was his choice to join HSV. He doesn't want to join a big club yet, mainly because he wants to play more, at Man U he would've have been benched a couple of times, it would've taken long before he got his spot and that is not what he wants. At Ajax they had the same future plans, but he isn't down with that and that's why he left, he wants to make one step backward before making two steps forward, it was his own choice. Just like Van der Vaart, the media in Germany already call him Ballack's replacement, but he doesn't want to move to a big club yet.....so it is not about us being too slow.......

Ritchie Jones has his chance to shine.

one thing fergie has said that makes sense:
Brown for England - Fergie
http://www.teamtalk.com/teamtalk/News/Story_Page/0,7760,1778_980386,00.html

he has improved hell of alot in the past two seasons.

Ritchie Jones has his chance to shine.

They only recalled him as back-up, it is still going to be Fletcher and Smith/Richardson in the middle

i see in the blackburn game rooney was am and smith dm and richardson and fletcher as cm's in a 4-4-2 diamond, to be truthful that is a good formation for us currently for the situation we are in.

one thing fergie has said that makes sense:
Brown for England - Fergie
http://www.teamtalk.com/teamtalk/News/Story_Page/0,7760,1778_980386,00.html

he has improved hell of alot in the past two seasons.
If he gets chosen for the WC it'll be most probably as a RB. England has got too many great CBs for the moment. Rio, Campbell, King, Woodgate, Terry, Carragher...

Wes Brown fit and on form > King and Woodgate (unless he's fully fit himself)

Wes Brown fit and on form > King and Woodgate (unless he's fully fit himself)

no matter how he still can't beat john terry, campbell and ferdinand to become first choice CB. well, you know eriksson :rolleyes:

who says he'd be going as first choice? i think he'd be great to have at the world cup as both CB and RB cover. i wouldn't be surprised if Campbell got injured again before the world cup anyway.

How is Vidic gonna break into the squad then? If he doesn't, it's like throwing away 7mill.

Vidic will play, no worries. Brown is good atm. But SAF gives enough chances to every player,

I was just reading through the posts and i think we should have made de jong a offer he couldnt refuse and for john obi mikel he is a class player but wat i have read i really think its his agent holding out for the money if chelsea really wanted him they would have got him already i think its like the ronaldinho storey his agent messed that up for us i remember when fergie would fly over and talk to the players like ruud when he came fergie alwas had someone talking in ruuds ear making sure he came to united

How is Vidic gonna break into the squad then? If he doesn't, it's like throwing away 7mill.

he was bought to fill the gap when tweety gets shipped out... (6)

he probably was bought now with the idea of keeping the price "down" - the sm defence conceded very few goals and I'm sure in summer if they have a good tournament the prices soar skyhigh... - remember 2002 and the ferdinand buy. he had a great world cup and the price&interest just went up and up and up.


Arsenal kicked out of the FA Cup (6)

Arsenal are out of the FA Cup, that makes the chance for us winning the cup much bigger, now I hope Everton still can pull out a stunt to kick Chelsea out, they almost did it 2day

Arsenal are out of the FA Cup, that makes the chance for us winning the cup much bigger, now I hope Everton still can pull out a stunt to kick Chelsea out, they almost did it 2day

There is still the Dippers, Barcodes and the Wannabes.

hahaha Arse, a few weeks and they'll be out of the CL as well.

De Jong got a lot of offers and I am sure we were included, it was his choice to join HSV. He doesn't want to join a big club yet, mainly because he wants to play more, at Man U he would've have been benched a couple of times, it would've taken long before he got his spot and that is not what he wants. At Ajax they had the same future plans, but he isn't down with that and that's why he left, he wants to make one step backward before making two steps forward, it was his own choice. Just like Van der Vaart, the media in Germany already call him Ballack's replacement, but he doesn't want to move to a big club yet.....so it is not about us being too slow.......
That's partially true. I know that he didn't want to come to a real big club yet, with fear of being benched. However, given our squad, I'd say it's fair to believe that he'd be a fairly constant member of our starting eleven, in the midfield. Our best option at the moment is Smith, and even as tenacious and committed as he is, De Jong would be better.


How is Vidic gonna break into the squad then? If he doesn't, it's like throwing away 7mill.
Duh, he'll play DM!

But seriously, it seems that despite him not getting a start yet, he has been useful so far. Brown and Rio have both elevated their games since he got to the club.


Anyways, I hope to see Jones do well, although I would have preferred David Jones to come back.

Wow Jones is doing great at NEC Nijmegen, he scored 2 goals again today, I hope Meulensteen will be right about Jones returning to OT as a different person and player

Wow Jones is doing great at NEC Nijmegen, he scored 2 goals again today, I hope Meulensteen will be right about Jones returning to OT as a different person and player
Was that coming off the bench, or did he get a spot in the starting eleven?

Was that coming off the bench, or did he get a spot in the starting eleven?

He got a spot in the starting eleven

4 goals in two appearances. Impressively good.

man this david jones could become the next frank lampard for us. (6)

Just a random thought for ya.

Will there ever be a day when SAF comes to his sense and sees that Fletcher is a rubbish player and would be lucky to be in the starting line-up of an average team?

Just a random thought for ya.

Will there ever be a day when SAF comes to his sense and sees that Fletcher is a rubbish player and would be lucky to be in the starting line-up of an average team?
Nope.

Just a random thought for ya.

Will there ever be a day when SAF comes to his sense and sees that Fletcher is a rubbish player and would be lucky to be in the starting line-up of an average team?
That has been the thought of this thread for the last season.

To be fair, he has shown that he is capable of putting forth some good performances, but it's just a matter of his lack of consistency.

I don't really watch Man Utd games but I hear Smith isn't a good enough DM which I totally respect especially since he was more of a offensive player. But wouldn't it be better to have


Rio, and Vidic as the CB's and have Wes Brown as a DM? just a thought

Just a random thought for ya.

Will there ever be a day when SAF comes to his sense and sees that Fletcher is a rubbish player and would be lucky to be in the starting line-up of an average team?

no, because he is a Scott too (H)

I don't really watch Man Utd games but I hear Smith isn't a good enough DM which I totally respect especially since he was more of a offensive player. But wouldn't it be better to have


Rio, and Vidic as the CB's and have Wes Brown as a DM? just a thought

Smith is an offensive player with aggressive, die hard attitude. this made fergie think he can be a succersor of keano which is so gay. he forget a DM need to be good in tackling, marking and covering as well. aggressive is good for a DM but not good enough when you done some poor tackle in wrong time and wrong place. if opponent have the player like Juninho or Beckham or other good set pieces taker. we'll probably get raped by lots of set pieces goal

don't think brown can be a DM as well. not another o'sh!t, fortune .....

Smith is an offensive player with aggressive, die hard attitude. this made fergie think he can be a succersor of keano which is so gay. he forget a DM need to be good in tackling, marking and covering as well. aggressive is good for a DM but not good enough when you done some poor tackle in wrong time and wrong place. if opponent have the player like Juninho or Beckham or other good set pieces taker. we'll probably get raped by lots of set pieces goal

don't think brown can be a DM as well. not another o'sh!t, fortune .....
And despite all that, he's a contender for our best performer in the midfielder so far this season.

news round-up:
oh no!!!! this can't be happening:
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=358255&CPID=8&clid=&lid=2&title=Mourinho+eyes+Toure+swoop

No midfield role for Roo
http://www.teamtalk.com/teamtalk/News/Story_Page/0,7760,1778_983173,00.html

Milan warn United off Vogel
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=358234&CPID=21&clid=&lid=&title=Milan+warn+United+off+Vogel

mofo queit on saga
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=358206&CPID=8&clid=&lid=&title=Mikel+quiet+on+transfer+row

Riki told to shun Parma move
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=358220&CPID=23&clid=&lid=&title=Riki+told+to+shun+Parma+move


**** off mourinho, don't take this one away from us u got essien.

It's Reddy Freddy Go
Manchester United are stepping up their efforts to take American starlet Freddy Adu to Old Trafford. The Glazers are using their influence in the US to steer the 16-year-old to Manchester, possibly next summer.
Bill Thornton, Daily Star

read this on manutd website in the section what the papers say

ManUtd Line Up for the FA Cup game vs Wolves

Van Der Sar
Neville
Brown
Vidic
Silvestre
Ferdinand
Park
Richardson
Rooney
Saha
Nistelrooy

bench: smith fletcher bardsley evra howard

I suppose it's a 4-4-2 Diamond - not sure though.

----------VDS----------
Nev-Brown-Vidic-Tweety
----------Rio-----------
Park---------- Richardson
--------Rooney----------
----Saha----Nistelrooy----

Simao Deal Agreed

Taken from record

SAI NO FINAL DA ÉPOCA E O DESTINO DEVE SER O MANCHESTER UNITED

A transferência de Simão Sabrosa está negociada. O capitão do Benfica sairá no final da temporada, rumo a Inglaterra. O Manchester United afigura-se como o destino mais provável para o internacional português.

Entre o Benfica e o jogador existe, aliás, um entendimento para que este não saia na reabertura do mercado. Um acordo subentendido nas palavras que o presidente do clube da Luz, Luís Filipe Vieira, proferiu, esta semana: “Simão é jogador do Benfica até 2010. Tudo o que já foi feito até aqui, nem o Benfica, nem o Simão o devem divulgar. A única coisa que podemos dizer é que o Simão irá, de certeza absoluta, ficar no Benfica até final desta época.”

Com os encarnados envolvidos na luta pela revalidação do título, qualificados para os oitavos-de-final da Liga dos Campeões e da Taça de Portugal, o capitão benfiquista assume-se como peça fundamental da estratégia de Ronald Koeman. Ainda que os números indiciem uma época mais cinzenta do que a anterior – foi totalista absoluto na caminhada para o título que marcou o fim de jejum –, a influência do internacional português é incontornável no onze dos encarnados.

Transferência anunciada

A saída do camisola 20 tem sido tema alimentado ao longo desta temporada. Desde que o Liverpool veio a Lisboa, em Agosto, para contratar o jogador, em cima do fecho das inscrições. Mas Vieira resistiu aos milhões dos campeões europeus.

A porta tendo em vista a transferência de Simão ficou, no entanto, aberta. Tanto assim que Vieira deslocou-se, já este mês, a Israel para negociar com Pini Zahavi, empresário com ligações privilegiadas ao mercado inglês e um conhecido de longa data do clube da Luz, a venda do passe do capitão.

O acordo para a continuidade de Simão, até final da temporada, serve as duas partes. O Benfica pode contar com um dos pilares do onze, sem perder de vista o encaixe financeiro (uma verba entre os 18 a 20 milhões de euros é o que a SAD encarnada receberá); já o jogador, depois de uma experiência mal sucedida no Barcelona, poderá concretizar a aspiração de actuar no futebol inglês.

English translation

The transference of Simão Sabrosa is negotiated. The captain of the Benfica will leave in the end of the season, route England. The Manchester United is figured as the most likely destination for the Portuguese International. Between the Benfica and the player it exists, by the way, an agreement so that this not skirt in the reopening of the market. An implied agreement in the words that the president of the club of the Light, Luis Filipe Vieira, pronounced, this week: "Simão is player of the Benfica up to 2010. Everything what already was made until here, nor the Benfica, nor the Simão must divulge it. The only thing that we can say is that the Simão will go, of absolute certainty, to be in the Benfica until end of this time."

With involved fleshes-color in the fight for the revalidation of the heading, qualified for the eighth-of-end of Liga of the Champions and the Goblet of Portugal, the benfiquista captain assumes itself as basic part of the strategy of Ronald Koeman. Still that numbers accuse time more cinereous of the one than previous - was totalista absolute in the walked one for the heading that marked the end of jejum -, the influence of the Portuguese International is incontornável in the eleven of fleshes-color. Announced transference

The exit of nightgown 20 has been subject fed to the long one of this season. Since that the Liverpool came the Lisbon, in August, to contract the player, in top of the latch of the registrations. But Vieira resisted the millions of the European champions. The door in view of the transference of Simão was, however, open. In such a way thus that Vieira was dislocated, already this month, Israel to negotiate with Pini Zahavi, entrepreneur with privileged linkings to known English market and one of long date of the club of the Light, venda of the pass of the captain. The agreement for the continuity of Simão, until end of the season, serves the two parts. The Benfica can count on one of them pillars of the eleven, without losing of sight the financial rabbet (an mount of money enters the 18 20 million euros is what the incarnate SAD will receive); already the player, after an experience badly succeeded in Barcelona, will be able to materialize the aspiration of actuar in the English soccer.

The news could also be bollocks

btw the line-up for today is:

---------------------VDS-------------------------

gary----------brown----vidic-------silvestre

park-------------------rio--------------richardson

---------------------rooney----------------------

----------------saha------------ruud--------------

wonder how brown and vidic will do together and rio in the midfield also how will he go?

Why would we want Freddy though? WE NEED A DM!!!

goal 1-0 richardson!!!

Why would we want Freddy though? WE NEED A DM!!!


... and because we need a DM it means we can't look at any other players in any other position?


:rolleyes:

Richardson :O
Interesting to see our forward and our center back play together in midfield.

hahahh wolves got a goal denied

... and because we need a DM it means we can't look at any other players in any other position?


:rolleyes:

But we have plenty of Forwards all ready.

he can be a replacement for scholes man

any streams around?

if ya got sopcast holler

edit: rio playing great as dm, vidic is having a hard time

i'm trying to watch it on Sopcast, but the connection's terrible

yo dazmania i'll pm ya a good link k? but no sharing my special link k?

edit: saha 2-0!!

that'd be great thanks (Y)


Louis (H)

What a match! Great football by United.

And damn! :| Saha is smashing it up. Finally showing what he can do.

7 goals in 10 apps i think the commentator said

Saha was electric today. Made 1 and scored 1. Oh yeah, Gaz almost scored. Vidic has one assist to his name despite making an Evra-like debut.

Links please? :rolleyes:

Saha was electric today. Made 1 and scored 1. Oh yeah, Gaz almost scored. Vidic has one assist to his name despite making an Evra-like debut.

Vidic's passing looks quite dangerous, but with time, he could be a great CB. Don't forget, he hasn't played 90 minute for about 2 months. ;) He just needs match fitness.

richardson v ronaldo for a spot in the starting XI. richardson is winning already.

Rich with another goal.

richardson 3-0!!!

park playing great he is flamboyant!!

is Park playing RM and Richardson LM ?

Superb by Park there, Ruud with a perfect assist. Richardson finish (H)

backheel by Saha goes close :D

is Park playing RM and Richardson LM ?

yep

No link?

maybe this is the new formation that suits our team other than the normal 4-4-2

Smithy's coming on for Wes

smith on brown off. damn now smith will play dm and rio at cb, i was enjoying rio at dm (6)

cheers daz. :)

np


Richardson's down... injured :|:(:S

fletcher and evra on for richardson and saha

hhaaahha evra at lm fletcher as am and rooney at fc

Evra and Fletcher on

Evra playing LM

evra's crossing :kader:

fletcher and evra on for richardson and saha

hhaaahha evra at lm fletcher as am and rooney at fc
:|
Evra is known to be able to play lm and rooney plays fc usually, Fletcher at am is a little surprising, although he's just a little more attacking than usual.

evra's crossing :kader:
he's literally just come on and hasn't settled into the speed of the game yet, and it was just ONE cross. Don't expect TOO much straight away mate.

nah man u didn't understand what i meant. i know all of that, but i wanted to see how he would do at lm

it was the "hhaaahha" that implied you thought it was funny, i just didn't see how it was funny.

nah i didn't find it funny man. it was like " hahah lets see how he does at lm"

edit: vidic gets yellow. woosh that's a relief.

edit 2: neville gets yellow for sillyness.

heh he meant to kick it into the net but just skied it instead.

Man in crowd takes bite from hotdog.

Rooney has been a bit average. :(

he can't star in every game - give him a break he's only human too

well its proven that we don't need him to star in order to win.

he's only human too

Good observation. :rolleyes:

3-0 full time. fair enough game from vidic. he looks like robert huth type of player

3-0 Ft

Ferguson is a fool to play Rooney in midfield.This will limit his abilities in the game. Good win though but was bored to death after the third goal.

vds - good diving save
gary - silly booking (H)
vidic - fair enough game, lucky not getting sent off and thanks rio move back so he is not the last man
brown - solid like a rock
tweety - his passing are awful :|
rio - good as dm, made some good through pass
park - hardworking as usual, very impressive
richardson - 2 goals scorer :)
rooney - average, wrong position
ruud - nice chip to richie, and poor luck to have his volley denied by a cross bar
saha - impressive

evra - ok ...
smith - miss time tackle to give away set pieces at dangerous area
fletcher - basically didn't do much thing

well at the moment it's not as if we have any other option is it? besides, he was playing quite far forward anyways. i'm sure he'll be playing further up when we've got some more options in midfield.

Rooney slightly out of position is far better than no Rooney at all.

well at the moment it's not as if we have any other option is it? besides, he was playing quite far forward anyways. i'm sure he'll be playing further up when we've got some more options in midfield.

Rooney slightly out of position is far better than no Rooney at all.

I just thought that Ferguson could have played Smith, who would be suspended against Blackburn in midfield.

Rio looking good in that DM role and Vidic... I guess he'll improve with games and Evra looks much better as LB imo. Great display by Saha. He's back on track and looks strong and solid.
The 1st Richardson goal was a fluke one to be honest. The ball was 1 foot away from the keeper and he couldn't get a touch on the ball!

Goals against Wolves

Richardson 1-0 HQ - http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=...Wolves1_0HQ.avi (http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=video&file=NewRichardsonWolves1_0HQ.avi)

Saha Hq 2-0 - http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=...Wolves2_0HQ.avi (http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=video&file=SahaWolves2_0HQ.avi)

Richardson 3-0 Hq - http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=...chardson3_0.avi (http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=video&file=Richardson3_0.avi)

anyway, vidic did assist 1 (H)

i was impressed by vidic he hasnt played in 2 months so i think he did well he remined me of nesta and for freddy adu he cant leave the MLS until he is 18

I read on another site that we are chasing Barcelona Midfielder Deco, I hope its true since Deco can defend and create a lot in the midfield.

I read on another site that we are chasing Barcelona Midfielder Deco, I hope its true since Deco can defend and create a lot in the midfield.
:fool:

If Barca sold Deco, it'd be nearly as stupid as selling Ronaldinho. Watch them play. Without Deco, they are half the team they are with him. Don't even begin to hold your breath over getting him.

Adu: I don't understand why we would try to sign him, he is far from incredible. At 16, Rooney was scoring a game winner against Arsenal. Adu isn't even incredible in the MLS. Yes, he's a good young talent, but it wouldn't be a smart buy.

I find it funny that Fergie said he wouldn't put Rooney in the midfield. Even if he isn't playing the starlet role, he was the best option for the position, in my opinion. Good to see that Fergie opted for that decision over his fellow Scot.

That third goal was beautiful: great work from Park to keep it in and get it to Ruud, good patience by Ruud and a good move to draw the defender by Saha. Then the chip was lovely and the finish was great.

Good performance, and it's good to see that Fergie didn't overlook Wolves.

Barca wants to sell Deco you know, Barca confirmed it a few weeks ago, but he won't be cheap cause Barca wants 30m euro for him, they have enough quality midfielders, they need the money to bring in a new striker and defender

When will Obi Mikael join Man Utd?

When will Obi Mikael join Man Utd?
the day Mourinho manages Bury and Henry plays for Al Ittihad.

Barca wants to sell Deco you know, Barca confirmed it a few weeks ago, but he won't be cheap cause Barca wants 30m euro for him, they have enough quality midfielders, they need the money to bring in a new striker and defender
That's really, really dumb of them.

the day Mourinho manages Bury and Henry plays for Al Ittihad.

I dont really care if Obi joins us or not. He wants to play for the wannabes anyway. But what I want to know is when was he suppose to join us.

This just in
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In a shocking move, Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho has moved to Bury. "I want to bring a low league club to the top, and I have a chance to do that at Bury" the former Chelsea manager said.


And....
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Arsenal star striker Thierry Henry has made a shock move to Al Ittihad. "I don't know what to say", said one weeping Arsenal fan, "Henry was our last good player. Now we are nothing."

More on these stories as they develop.

This just in
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In a shocking move, Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho has moved to Bury. "I want to bring a low league club to the top, and I have a chance to do that at Bury" the former Chelsea manager said.


And....
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Arsenal star striker Thierry Henry has made a shock move to Al Ittihad. "I don't know what to say", said one weeping Arsenal fan, "Henry was our last good player. Now we are nothing."

More on these stories as they develop.
Source? :fool:

So Fowler back to Liverpool, Keown back to Arsenal... Cantona, come back! He'd be a great youth coach. If you don't follow his directions, you get a kick in the chest.

LMAO funny jokes :fool:

Cantona won't come back, specially aslong Glazer is here and the game is so money-driven

I dont really care if Obi joins us or not. He wants to play for the wannabes anyway. But what I want to know is when was he suppose to join us.

During this transfer window

What will happen if he does not sold during this window? Will he have to wait 6 months at home for the summer transfer window to open? Having signed a contract with Man U will he be able to play for Lyn? I don't get this clearly...

BTW Fergie praised Rio for his display in midfield today and says he might play him and Rooney in midfield against Blackburn. He also said that Richardson could play ahead of Ronaldo who'll be fit for the game. I personally think that Rio in Midfield is the best option at the moment due to the shortage in midfield players. Brown and Vidic would do just fine in defence.

BTW Fergie praised Rio for his display in midfield today and says he might play him and Rooney in midfield against Blackburn. He also said that Richardson could play ahead of Ronaldo who'll be fit for the game. I personally think that Rio in Midfield is the best option at the moment due to the shortage in midfield players. Brown and Vidic would do just fine in defence.

it will be gay to see rooney play as a midfielder, preffer to see him play as a center forward

According to skysports.com, fergie said that he was CONSIDERING playing both Rooney and Rio in midfield. It is not necessary that both of them will play in midfield. I don't like the idea of playing Rooney in midfield neither. Its like wasting his abilities.

Richardson ahead of Ronaldo in the lineup? Ferguson dont be an idiot.. :nape:

Barca wants to sell Deco you know, Barca confirmed it a few weeks ago, but he won't be cheap cause Barca wants 30m euro for him, they have enough quality midfielders, they need the money to bring in a new striker and defenderThat's not true. The best proof is that Laporta is still alive.

But if you need more, here's what Txiki Beguiristain said in December:When people talk about continuing to grow, they appeal for stability. Last week, the press was discussing the possibility that Barca would transfer Deco.

"Yes, and there's only one response: nobody's leaving. The group we have is young and is planned for growth. It has a path to follow and we will walk that path together".

We've seen everything happen in football

"Yes, but we've also learned that it wouldn't make sense for us to undo all the good work it's been so difficult to achieve. Why should we sell players that, if we didn't have them, we would want to have? The Club is quite clear that in order to get where we want to go, we need this group. We wouldn't be very clever if we complicated our own lives, would we".

Sometimes, sporting and financial needs don't go together

"That's true and we've seen that many times. But it's also true that the Board of Directors has never communicated to me the need to sell. Quite the opposite. In terms of work, the current situation is perfect".

And if one particular player wanted to leave...

"That's a false assumption. We don't want there to be movements in the squad because it's a young team. But apart from our wishes, I don't see any player who wants to leave. In a project like this one, which is for several years, the player has already chosen. And he's chosen Barca".


http://www.fcbarcelona.com/eng/noticias/noticias/n05122111.shtml

anyways why would deco leave barcelona? he seems to be enjoying his football there.

Cantona won't come back, specially aslong Glazer is here and the game is so money-driven

Cantona hates the Glazers , sadly he will never come back while they're at the club.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4458856.stm

yeh we all know that how much cantona hates the glazers.
he would super-kick them all if he met them in a tunnel. (6)

Midfield General, Great article from unitedrant.co.uk

Midfield General

As predicted in No Usual Suspects here on RANT, Sir Alex Ferguson is still bemusing Manchester United fans with his refusal or failure to sign a central midfield player. Despite his new founded admiration of the Glazers - and both David Gill and Ferguson have spoken about having resources to buy big in the summer - the club now has only one natural central midfield player fit, putting United fans in the somewhat unfamiliar position of praying nothing happens to Darren Fletcher! Amidst the manager's resolve however, one signing at Old Trafford slipped almost unnoticed through the net.

Although it didn't escape the eagle eyes here at RANT, two weeks ago Manchester United made a major signing that was almost lost everywhere else in the controversy of Sir Alex Ferguson's public backing for the Glazers' tenure. But it was not the signing of French full-back Patrice Evra, nor the deal that brought Serbia and Montenegro Centre Back Nemanja Vidic to Old Trafford. Indeed although this signing was made over Sir Alex Ferguson's head, there was no question of it undermining the Manchester United manager. The Glazers performed their own coup, signing Ed Woodward, a former investment banker who played a key role in structuring the takeover of Manchester United while he was at JP Morgan.

The Times reported on 12th January that Woodward started work for Glazer's takeover vehicle Red Football on November 28th 2005, but the media only learned of this appointment on the 11th January - making the timing of Sir Alex Ferguson's backing of the Glazer's on the 13th January intriguing. Woodward's role has been described as 'multi-faceted', working alongside Gill and the Board, but reporting to Malcolm and Joel Glazer. The role covers all of Glazer's UK interests and although his focus will be on United, he will be negotiating with JP Morgan, the chief lender in the takeover deal and will play a major role in the refinancing of the debt.

Well known for his stubbornness, Sir Alex Ferguson's u-turn on the merits of the Glazers' ownership was remarkable as it comes at a time when supporters are praying for him to perform an about-face on the signing of a central midfield player. Maybe The Independent Manchester United Supporters Trust had a point when they said that "It would be an extremely foolish and short-lived employee who did anything other than praise his employer in public". But perhaps this doesn't quite get to the bottom of what the canny Scot was up to. While burying bad news is a task all institutions undertake when there is other bad news to bury it in, I am not for one minute suggesting that Sir Alex Ferguson's comments were deliberately aimed at taking the heat out of the news of this appointment. I believe he was up to something else.

In the Glazer's business plan £25m per year has been set aside for transfers. Of course the club can raise more than this by procuring more money for the sale of its players, and if there was an emergency (i.e. injuries threatened its ability to secure a Champions League place) it would be logical for more money to be made available.

With Keane gone, Scholes and Fortune out seemingly for the season, Phil Neville and Kleberson sold, Liam Miller and both David and Richard Jones on loan, and even adopted central midfield players O'Shea, Giggs, and Smith carrying injuries, the failure to capture a central midfield player at the beginning of the season looks like a miscalculation. All transfers in the last two seasons involving outfield players have focussed on youngsters, but central midfield is the position on the pitch that needs to be mastered - hence the need for an experienced player. Such is the inactivity at Old Trafford in the search for such a player that supporters are not even able to accurately identify what kind of central midfield player Sir Alex Ferguson is looking for.


There are four types of central midfield players:-


The Defensive Player: - This player's main task is to sit in front of the back four and protect the defence by breaking up attacks. This player is usually less technically gifted than the other midfielders, but their importance to the team cannot be undermined. They are excellent readers of the game and their value is in their tough tackling. This player's contribution sometimes goes unheralded because their main aim is destructive rather than constructive. Examples of this type of player are Gattuso, Gilberto Silva, van Bommel, Hamann, Essien (at Chelsea), Gravesen, and Duscher.


The Water Carrier: - This player's main task is to dictate the tempo of the game. They have a great range of passing and movement although their role is even more unheralded than with the defensive player. This type of player is rarely seen in the British game which is more frenetic in nature, but in Italy and Spain a team can only accommodate this player if he is surrounded by world leaders in attack and elsewhere in midfield. One of the reasons that both Veron and Kleberson failed to have the same impact in British football as they had with Lazio or Brazil was because they were in essence more water carriers than defensive midfield players or playmakers. Examples of teams using water carriers would be the French world cup winning team, or Brazil. Players of this type include Deschamps and Seedorf.


The Playmaker: - This is a player who is excellent in their passing, movement, vision and mobility. They seem to act as the attacking catalyst for their team. They may or may not be excellent tacklers, but they do have an uncanny ability to score goals regularly from fairly deep positions. Players that typify this position include Zidane, Lampard, Pirlo, Ballack, Okocha, and Scholes.


The Box-to-Box Player: This type of player is necessary for a team to be great in the British game. This player is best defined by their engine - their ability to act as a defensive midfield player, to win all of the midfield battles, and also their ability to drive the team on. Their role is unselfish and to do all of this requires an engine to seemingly be all over the pitch at the same time, to break down the willpower of their opponents, an ability to score goals at important times, and a football brain to mastermind the whole game and carry through the vision of the manager to the rest of the team. Players of this type are very rare, but include Keane, Gerrard, Viera, Essien (at Lyon), and a younger Edgar Davids.

It is fairly clear to most observers that Manchester United need at least two of these central midfielders, but which types of midfielders is a hotly disputed area of debate. The signing of one player will determine the nature of the other. To go back to Sir Alex Ferguson's past; he has always valued box-to-box players (Robson, Keane) more highly than more defensive players (Ince). If he signs a defensive midfield player, then the nature of the playmaker becomes far more critical - he needs a world leader in his class. And if he signs a box-to-box player than the nature of the playmaker becomes slightly less critical.

Sir Alex Ferguson knows that it is impossible to win anything without a world class midfield. With one, anything is possible. Manchester United won the Treble with a world class midfield, and Liverpool the Champions League. The problem the club face at the moment is that not only does central midfield need improving, but players who have been brought in to plug a hole are now themselves injured, leaving the club scavenging its non-loan academy players and badgering half-injured players to play in these positions. The need for a world class central midfield is best highlighted at Chelsea, where even without a world class strike force, they are able to command the Premiership and gain good European results consistently. It would seem logical for Sir Alex Ferguson to dip into the transfer market since, without any central midfield, United's position looks, at best, tenuous.

Which brings us back to the Glazers

There can be no doubt that a good positioning in the league this year is crucial for Manchester United in lieu of the amount of debt the Glazers have taken on. Although the Glazer's financing has been budgeted with the expectation that Manchester United will finish no lower than fourth in the Premiership, Sir Alex Ferguson will need to remove any obstacles that threaten their existence in next year's Champion's League. This means finishing second in the Premiership is a priority.

Because of statements made by Sir Alex Ferguson before the Glazer takeover aligning himself with the majority of fans, some would argue that Glazer versus Ferguson is an unhappy marriage - hence the reaction to Sir Alex Ferguson's statements backing the Glazers. However, my reading of the situation is that it is in many ways a happy marriage. Sir Alex Ferguson needs the Glazer's support and they need him. It may even be written into the Glazer's financial arrangements that they cannot go against the board until they service the debt, without incurring significant financial penalties, as this increases the risk of the financiers. Financiers like to manage risk and Sir Alex Ferguson's 19 years ensures stability.

This will be severely scrutinised however, if Sir Alex Ferguson fails to qualify for next year's Champions League, and the chances are that if he fails to find a decent central midfield player from one of the categories listed above, he must at least sign another type of central midfield player:-

The Utility Player: This type of player is usually a full back or centre back, but can sometimes be a striker who has failed to make the grade, but who is an excellent tackler and good reader of the game. This type of player is usually not world class in that they are unable to stake a claim for a regular position even though they can be effective. Manchester United is usually blessed with such players and often the utility player has been able to completely dominate a world class midfield (P. Neville vs Viera for instance). Examples of this type of player include Ronnie Johnsen, Phil Neville, and Guti at Real Madrid.

Not signing a central midfield player at the beginning of the season was a mistake. Not signing one in January would be worse both in football and financial terms. For me, Sir Alex Ferguson was covering up this mistake by cleverly realigning himself with the club's new owners. But if United fail to qualify for the Champions League next season, that realignment will look fragile.Join The Forum

So while Sir Alex Ferguson gambles dangerously with the club's future, Malcolm Glazer is leaving nothing to chance appointing the one person who knows everything about the club's precarious financial position. If you were a football man you'd have to say that Glazer is playing Ferguson off the park with the signing of his own utility player.

btw just heard United are very close to agreeing a 70m£ deal with ettihad airways

you know... I dont think the Ethiad logo wont look too bad either

http://www.iagto.com/members/preferred_airlines/EtihadAirwaysLogo.gif

The gold "Etihad" would look cool

What is your opinion of Fletcher?
1,He's crap and wouldn't even start for another Premiership side.
2,He'll end up in a midtable Premiership side.
3,He will play a bit part in United's future
4,He will grow into a valuable member of the squad in the future
5,He will become one of the best CMs in the Premiership
6,He will develop into one of the world's finest midfielders at his peak.

I don't think any other player in the current squad splits public opinion like Darren Fletcher does. Some see lots of potential in him, some think he's so-so, whilst others think he's downright awful.

What in your view is Fletcher likely to develop into?

I just want to do a brief analysis of his strengths and weaknesses:
Strengths
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- Excellent mid-range and long-range passing
- Composure and attitude towards the game
- Exemplary positioning
- Good reading of the game
- Good first touch and ball control
- Tireless running

Weaknesses
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- Lack of strength and aggression; hence, tackles while usually well-timed have a poor success rate.
- Rushed decision-making at times, perhaps due to inability to retain possession while on the ball
- Poor accuracy rate for short-range passes
- Lack of pace and acceleration
- Mediocre dribbling ability
- Lacks confidence at times
- Doesn't get forward often enough
- Doesn't score too often
- Usually loses out in 50-50s


What is most likely to improve with time
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- Strength, which will contribute to an improvement in aerial ability, tacking success, and holding off players. Overall, an increase in his physical strenght will show an increase in ball possession
- Passing accuracy - most young players are erratic with their passing and generally improve on it with experience
- Confidence and assessment of his own capabilities

What kind of midfielder can we expect Fletcher to develop into?
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Right now, he lacks the pace and dribbling ability to be a right winger. He doesn't have the strength and physical presence to be an effective holding midfielder. He doesn't quite have the shooting abilities, flair, surging forward runs to quite be an attacking midfielder.
Given his current strengths and limitations, Fletcher is perhaps best suited to become a sort of deep-lying playmaker who receives the ball from the holding midfielder and sends it out wide to the wingers or forward to the offensive playmaker i.e Rooney.

Can Fletcher make it as a top-class Premiership midfielder?

our injury list:

Name-----------injury Sustained-----------club Says---------------------------------------Potential Return

ronaldo------knock on knee-----hopefully he should be ready for Wednesday.----blackburn(a)

giggs--------hamstring strain------------It's nothing long term----------------------------Fulham (h)


O'Shea-------Broken ribs----------------No statement made.-------------------------------Wigan (a)

Fortune-------Knee calcification--------"It's going to be a lengthy one."-------------------Unknown

Scholes-------Eye----------------"Specialists say he needs to rest for three months."----Pre-Season

Heinze ------- Cruciate ligaments----"I don't think he'll be available until next season."----Pre-Season

on mikel:
Obi Mikel Could be banned by FIFA

John Obi Mikel could be banned for up to two years by FIFA for not sticking to his initial contract with Manchester United. The midfielder has signed a contract with the club but wants a move to Chelsea and has stated he did not want to sign a contract with the reds.

John Obi Mikel has refused to meet not one but two contractual obligations, and has broken the golden rule by seeking redress in civil courts rather than first exhausting his options within the game. The player could face up to a two year ban if he does not meet his contract obligations.

If FIFA allowed the player to break his contract this could bring in a new law in football and this is something FIFA would not like to see.

Obi Mikel scored in Nigeira 2-0 win over Zimbabwe in the African nations cup but refused to comment on the contract situation.

"I'm very happy I came on in the second half; I thank the coach for giving me a chance to prove myself," said Mikel.

"About my transfer, I don't want to say anything.

"I'm playing with Nigeria's seniors now. This was my first goal and I'm very happy."



well this is my opinion on him anyway, what Do you want from a midfielder ?

vision ?awarness ?passing ?strength? ballance? brilliant control ?amazing long shots ? free kicks ?
he has all this and more , exactly what do you want more ?

he is so mature mentally and physically. i have seen him play in the african nations cup. His goal wasn't that good, but his overall performance was outstanding, especially when you consider how long he has now gone without a competitive game. As soon as he came on, Nigeria looked to him to do everything, play all the decisive passes, take all the corners, all the freekicks. He just looked head and shoulders above everyone else, and his vision and distribution of the ball, both in long and short passes was really quite incredible for a player his age.


We could do with Mikel in MF right now Stupid tosser!

Richardson ahead of Ronaldo in the lineup? Ferguson dont be an idiot.. :nape:

Well Ronaldo has been bad lately, complaining more to the ref then actually playing the game itself, so I am not surprised.

The stadium was a dumpster :p Good game though. After the match, I tried to get some autographs, but only Seol was willing to sign my notebook, after he did that, I told him that he isn't half as good in real life as he is in FM, but I don't think he understood :(

In the midfield (well the position doesn't matter) Rio > Fletcher.

Rio revels as the man in the middle
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=356910&cc=3436

so it could be rio in the midfield and terry and brown as cb's. (maybe)

oh! god! please let this be true, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:

DAILY STAR
Manchester United are making a deadline-beating £4m bid for AC Milan midfielder Johann Vogel, with the Reds then set to move for Marseille's Franck Ribery.

http://www.teamtalk.com/teamtalk/News/Story_Page/0,7760,3209_985453,00.html

French Under-21 midfielder Franck Ribery has emerged as a top target for Old Trafford boss Sir Alex Ferguson

The 22-year-old, who can play either as an attacking midfielder or right-winger, has shot to prominence since joining Marseille at the start of this season, winning three player of the month awards in France so far in this campaign.

Ribery was linked with a move to Tottenham in the summer and now United have declared their interest.
http://www.fansfc.com/manchesterunitedfootballclub/news.asp?newsid=149222

vogel and ribery would do wonders for united right now!

those deco rumours were true plus more:
http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=299360&itype=466&icategoryid=365

my match report:

Match Report : Wolves 0 - 3 Manchester United

So after a blood and thunder match against Blackburn in the week, it was the turn of FA cup match this weekend with a trip to Wolverhampton Wanderers awaiting Manutd. With smith suspended for the Midweek premiership match, most expected him to get a starting spot and also for rossi, who everytime takes his place for any united team, either for reserves or first team impresses everybody. The testiment to the fact of united's midfield woes were that, in the central midfield area, we had most expensive defender and most expensive striker in the world. This had to be the most expensive central midfield ever. After the burton away match debacle, fergie decided to go with the strongest lineup he had with smith,fletcher and rossi on the bench. Ronaldo missed the match after taking up a knock on his knee on thurday morning. 3 Lung park returned though, to the delight of the fans.

United began the match, as they usually do with their good passing and 1 touch football. But by 5 minutes we had the reason why wolves have been poor in their division, absolutely lacking pace in every department. Saha dropped a shoulder, and turned beautifully and with full pace skipped past his marker and delivered a low cross which was behind Ruud and wolves defenders, but incoming richardson coolly slotted the ball past postma with his right foot, 1-0 to united. From this moment on, it was an uphill struggle for wolves, but they showed plenty of spirit with 50 year old manutd midfield ace, ince leading the way. United's defence looked shaky when miller and cort ran directly at them and new boy, vidid was looking increasingly vulnerable.

But there was always a threat that wolves might get caught upfield and united will break away. That's exactly what happened when, richardson and saha played a 1-2 and richardson had a clear run on goal. But with, ruud waiting for the pass, richie delayed the pass a bit too much and at the end he could only hit at postma, a poor miss from richie. Wolves went straight upfield and from a super cross from wolves rightback, cort missed a good chance with his header going above the crossbar. United at one point looked like they didn't have a central midfield, rooney either getting caught upfield or too deep in his own half, and same for rio. It was ok against wolves, but will be ripped open against a good team. For few minutes in first half, united completely lost their shape and rythm
and vidic and brown were giving away freekicks. But united broke on the right and from a good play b/n park and rooney, saha had a good chance at the edge of the penalty area, but he woefully skied it high into the stands. A super run by park from his own half resulted in a pass to ruud, ruud spotted an excellent run by neville but just overhit it which should have been an easy pass. Again united were at it, super one touch football from united with rooney,park, neville and saha involved, saha hit a ferocious half volley which was well saved by postma to his right. When it was looking like united will go into the break with a one goal lead, much to hoddle's frustration a superb long ball from vidic sent saha through on goal and he toepoked it into the goal and it was 2-0 to united.


Hoddle responded to the scoreline, by making 2 substitutions at half time, cameron came on for seol to play behind the strikers and 17 year old davis came on for anderton. It gave wolves for a short period of time when cameron hit a vicious shot from 30 yards which was well saved by van der sar and miller to shot wide. But the joy was short lived as 3 lung park, ran the entire half length of the pitch shrugging of the challenges from wolves leftback, and pulled back to ruud, who delightfully chipped the ball to richie, who made no mistake with his head to round off a delightful move and united 3-0 up and the game well and truly over. With the game wrapped up fergie made his substitutions with smith coming on for brown, evra for richie and fletcher for saha. United took their foot of the gas and resulting in a midfield scrap which smith failed miserably giving the ball away umpteend times and from one of his mistakes, new striker for wolves, Frankowski had a chance but just miscued it wide. Also carl cort missed a sitter when rio had gifted him the chance, but he only could stab the ball wide.


United were getting a bit complacent, and neville showed it with a poor ball which got vidic into trouble. He blatantly blocked miller and got his first yellow card in a united's shirt. But in a moment of individual magic, rooney and ruud sowed why they are regarded as probably the best striking partnership in europe with 1-2 passing with their heads with ruud striking a ferocious half volley that clipped the bar. But the game was almost finished with either side looking for the end of the match, but there was still some time for stupidity from neville who needlessly hacked the ball into stands to earn himself his first yellow card of the season. That showed why people feel, he loses his head needlessly sometimes.
So, the final whistle blew and united now unbeaten in normal time for nearly 3 years in the FA cup and just conceding one goal during that time. The draw for the 5th round of FA cup, will be on monday and united fans will be eagerly awaiting it to see whether they will be drawn against pool or chelski.


RATINGS:

van der sar : didn't have much to do apart from a shot form cameron. 6

Neville : Excellent runs forward but a needless booking late on. 6

Brown : Looked good after a shaky start. 6

Vidic : Shaky debut but settled in quite well 7

Silvestre : Quiet match 6

park : STAR MAN, MAN OF THE MATCH. Excellent runs, superb awareness and good defending also. 9

Richardson : gave the ball away too often, didn't do too much apart from his 2 goals 6

Rooney: not one of his magical nights, but worked his socks off 6

Rio: good job as dm 8

saha : looks like getting back to his best 8

Ruud : didn't get the chances but did well in building up attacks 7

Smith : Poor, very poor. Gave needless fouls, lost the ball too often 5

evra : good runs forward but failed miserably with his final ball 6

fletcher: realised his weeknesses and tried to improve on them. 6


Moan of the match : Fergie's choice of his substitutes( not choosing rossi)

Match facts:

1. Nevilles's first yellow card of the season.
2. Vidic's debut and first yellow card in a red shirt
3. Richardson and saha have scored in both rounds of the fa cup
4. saha's 7th goal in his last 10 matches.
5. rooney's 7th match without a goal

dippers away in the 5th round of the FA Cup. :S

Rio (H) I bet them dippers will focus more on the Champions League.

btw just heard United are very close to agreeing a 70m£ deal with ettihad airways

you know... I dont think the Ethiad logo wont look too bad either

http://www.iagto.com/members/preferred_airlines/EtihadAirwaysLogo.gif

The gold "Etihad" would look cool

Ewww hell no..

It's either the Arabic or the English.

uhh we're playing Liverpool in the FA Cup 5th round :|
This time at anfield.
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=358526&CPID=8&clid=&lid=4161&title=Arch+rivals+lock+horns+in+FA+Cup

Ewww hell no..
Thats much much better than the boring Vodafone we actually have :rolleyes: . The gold colour would be nice on the red shirt imo.

Thats much much better than the boring Vodafone we actually have :rolleyes: . The gold colour would be nice on the red shirt imo.
Ohhhhh yeah. A red shirt with a hint of white here and black there, complimented by gold, with white shorts and black socks...real sexeh..

Our players will be lit up like damn christmas trees. Unless that 70 million goes into our transfer budget I dont want it! :fool:

Do you think the WHOLE of the logo would bo on the shirt? Would there be space on the shirt for the whole logo :fool: . Its probably gonna be only ETIHAD without the arabic just like Chelsea's old Fly Emirates. Look at the emirates logo. Chelsea's shirt didn't have even the arabic on it. http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:sHbYbzAz8TyqFM:www.travelexdubai.com/images/Logo_Emirates.jpg
SO its probably gonna be ETIHAD or ETIHAD Airways.

Do you think the WHOLE of the logo would bo on the shirt? Would there be space on the shirt for the whole logo :fool: . Its probably gonna be only ETIHAD without the arabic just like Chelsea's old Fly Emirates. Look at the emirates logo. Chelsea's shirt didn't have even the arabic on it. http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:sHbYbzAz8TyqFM:www.travelexdubai.com/images/Logo_Emirates.jpg
SO its probably gonna be ETIHAD or ETIHAD Airways.
Umm, Duh would be an understatement right now... OF COURSE I know the whole logo wont be on there.... I just dont think that the Etihad font will look good on our kit. It looks like some kind of Star Trek type thing.

Another encounter with Liverpool, this time at Anfield, this is going to be difficult, but I can see us winning again.

Other news: Lyn Oslo and Man U has stated that Mikel has been receiving death threats and that Chelsea know more about it. Mikel could've been forced by Chelsea to end his contract with Manchester United. If this is true then Chelsea could be banned from the transfermarket for some time and they won't be playing CL etc.

I should think that if the "ALLEDGED" death threats came from Chelsea.Stamford Bridge would be the last place Mikel would want to be.Don't you think so?
What you must understand also is that FIFA are not happy that Mikel signed the deal with Man U, without any agent or representative of Mikel being present.They have said that they are not happy that 2 days after his 17th birthday,Anderson and Gill pushed this through without Mikel being allowed to talk to his agent about it first.In fact his agent was sent on a wild goose chase by Anderson,so he would be out of the country when the deal was done.Anderson stood to personally make 2 million pounds from the deal.This will run and run.At the end of the day he will be a Chelsea player.Man U will have no use for a player who does not want to play for the club.
When this was looked into months ago,it appears that Anderson was also involved with a Nigerian betting syndicate who,along with Anderson,made a lot of money by betting that Mikel would sign for United.At that time the death threats were said to have been made by the Nigerians.Mikel in fact,states that the death threats just never happened and were fabricated by Anderson.A word of advice over this.....keep an open mind.We will find out the real story soon and then we will know who are the bad guys.Chelsea,ManU or/and Anderson.
Man U and Chelsea were involved with Mikel years before this hit the news.Chelsea actually paid Anderson for the training and care that Mikel and 3 other Nigerian kids were to recieve.Chelsea gave Anderson almost 1 million pounds towards their welfare on the promise that Chelsea would have first option on the boys.But Anderson soon realised that he personally would not recieve any payment from Chelsea.Thats when he turned to United and asked, "whats in it for me?"
United "ALLEDGEDLY" promised a payment to Anderson if he could deliver Mikel.Thats what started the ball rolling.Anderson sent ****tu,Mikels agent, to Africa to "look" at a couple of promising players that Anderson was interested in.On the day that ****tu flew out of the country,Anderson had Mikel meet Man U representatives.The deal was done.Whilst in Africa,****tu saw on the news that Mikel had signed for Man U.Angry and shocked he flew back to Norway and took Mikel out of the country.He took Mikel to London but Chelsea,realising the sensitivity of the situation,refused to talk to ****tu or Mikel.
Now just like you,i dont know what is bulls.h.it and what is not concerning this whole affair.Nobody is going to come out of this smelling of roses thats for sure.Should be interesting to see how it all pans out.
I cant see Blatter being very impressed having Man U tell him what he should be doing about it though.Maybe Blatter knows more about it than meets the eye.He is a bigger crook than Anderson after all.

Well I hope Mikel ends up at good place for him and all I know is that won't be Chelsea, the best example I can give is SWP. I am sure Shaun is sitting on the bench wondering why he end up choosing Chelsea over Arsenal etc. Eventually a player wants to play at his club and not be a part of a successfull club without ever playing for them

and after you have read Pede's post, use your heads. Why in gods name would the club put everything we have won or are trying to win in jeopardy for an admittedly brilliant teenager who wont see first team action for at least another three years in our squad?

Also, i'd like someone to explain the necesscity of getting Ribery when you have the quality and depth that you already enjoy out wide. That and forward seems the only two positions your team do not need to strengthen. Vogel, if you got him for 4 million, would be an excellent signing.

Well I hope Mikel ends up at good place for him and all I know is that won't be Chelsea, the best example I can give is SWP. I am sure Shaun is sitting on the bench wondering why he end up choosing Chelsea over Arsenal etc. Eventually a player wants to play at his club and not be a part of a successfull club without ever playing for them
our midfield consists of more than converted centrebacks and strikers. A teenager would have to wait his turn, obviously. Mikel and Wright-Phillips are 6 years apart in age.

Just for the record:

that Mikel-case just shows what's wrong with football today.

kids getting sold in a slavery like enviroment, agents *one of the biggest cancer in football* that wait infront of schools with contracts and a pen, money here money there - the whole thing is just wrong :kader:

Chelski do indeed have a dodgystyle in the transfermarket (not to mention moneylaundring) but so has Utd and other clubs.

Zavhi, Martin Feguson or the playeragency of Ferguson Jr...sh-ittu = :sb9:

Example
Another Example, maybe not so famous but as sad and wrong as the rest:

a 20 year old brazilian who plays(ed) for FC Thun (Swiss) is transfered via an Lithuanian Club to Hearts of Midlothian (Sco).

Thun -> Lithuanian Club (Transfer & Registration but no Qualification)
Lithuanian Club -> Hearts (Transfer & Registration and Qualification)

What sense does the Lithuanian Club make in that deal ?! ZERO

Note: Hearts is owned 60or more % by an Lithuanian Business Man named Romanov who is supposed to have conections to various dodgy companies and organisations.

And the Playeragent getting 2! a handy fee... which in the end the fan has to pay...

I'll let you do the math!

Playeragents are there to do what exactly ?! - take a hell lot of money out of football for pretty much doing nothing, starting transfers and deals.

the other dodgy thing is: Clubowners who should be "approved" by the majority of fans, the national FA and getting a background check run on them. this is called a "Fit&Proper Person test" but as the FA's UEFA and FIFA mostly close their eyes on those topics I see a very dark future for football.

Thats because football is rotten and corrupt from Blatter downwards.We know he takes backhanders.We know he looks after his mates,Jack Warner is a perfect example.Man at this moment Blatter is trying to sit Beckenbauer in the hot seat at UEFA.Blatter and Johannson do not get on at all,although they are both as bent as each other,but with Blatters ass licker in power at UEFA,this means that at long last Blatter will run UEFA too.The future looks bleak indeed.I suppose the winners of the Mikel case will be whoever offers Blatter the biggest bung.

Also, i'd like someone to explain the necesscity of getting Ribery when you have the quality and depth that you already enjoy out wide. That and forward seems the only two positions your team do not need to strengthen. Vogel, if you got him for 4 million, would be an excellent signing.


Giggs is getting past it...
Richardson is hardly a world-beater...
Ronaldo is suffering from...everything...
Park is a fluffy nut (H)(Y) ( but he can't finish :( )
Ribery would be an ace signing.

Also, Pede's post stinks of bias views. I'm all for open views, but how about practising what you preach...

edit: Also, did you just listen to the piece on Five Live including an interview from a couple of days ago with Mikel? He sounded scared to death, and also did a pretty good job of stitching chelsea up, claiming to have met mourinho on several occasions... so much for the kenyon claim that mourinho has had no contact watsoever with mikel.

Hang on, I don't understand!? What was Mikel scared of? :confused:

Mikel trained with the Chelsea academy last season before the s.h.i.t hit the fan.No body and i mean nobody has ever said Mikel has NEVER met Jose.So get it right stotty.Kenyon said Jose did not meet with Mikel after he fled Norway.

I thought my piece was unbiased actually.It does not show anyone in a good light at all,least of all Anderson.What do you wany me to say,that Man U are innocent of everything?That is not the case mate.Man U have a lot of questions to answer too.

Hang on, I don't understand!? What was Mikel scared of? :confused:


Its just a load of bollocks.

Kenyon stated they have not met mikel. Mikel stated since the transfer is has met them. Mikel is scared. Your just wearing your rose-tinted glasses and can't see chelsea in any bad light. The fact chelsea think they can just fob everyone off with huge payouts and the russian mafia is a disgrace. If they win this case, they might aswell rip up the rule book, as they'll believe they can get away with it again and again.
I'd just like you to answer how mikel could be so delighted with his transfer to Manchester United, then 48 hours later dissappear and then claim he wants to sign for chelsea? Heres a transcript of part of an interview after the signing.

"Mikel Joh Obi is the newest Nigerian sensation with his ten million pounds four year deal with Manchester United. in this first of it's kind interview he granted Ralph Chidozie George on 105.5 COSMO FM since signing for the biggest team in the world he talked about his career at club level, Flying Eagles and the world youth championships.

Nigeriasports.com -Could you give us a brief history of your career?
MJO- i started playing from the u-13 in Jos and went to play U-17 for three years and moved to the U-19 for one year and then moved to Plateau united where I stayed for 3 seasons before I traveled.

Nigeriasports-interesting build up to a big transfer to one of the biggest clubs in the world, I recall you first went for a youth trial at Man U, tell us about it.
MJO-it was nice when I went there, everybody welcomed me and I stayed there for over 2 months, the manager was very nice to me. After that I went back to Nigeria and then I went to Chelsea stayed there for almost a year and things did not work out and I had to go to Man U again.

Nigeriasports.com-so how did they contact you and the sealing of the deal.
MJO- well Man U officials have been visiting me secretly in Oslo and nobody new about it, it was nice and they kept asking me if I’m still interested in Chelsea and they kept pressing me and won my heart over Chelsea and then every thing happened so fast after that.

Nigeriasports.com-how did your teammates in Oslo take the deal?
MJO-they took it in good faith, it could happen to any player at any time, football is time and it could happen to any player at any time, they celebrated with me and they also advised me, they were happy because we’ve been together for long. There is no problem, they are all happy with me.

Nigeriasports.com-no agent negotiated on your behalf and this rare in such a big deal to a big club.
MJO-yeah, that’s they way it went, many agents are in touch with me and there is no one that has a complete hold of me that’s why I happened that way. But I am happy the way the transfer was handled despite the fact that Chelsea will be hurt.

Nigeriasports.com-if Chelsea had come earlier instead of waiting till the summer, would have gone to Stanford Bridge?
MJO-ahhhhm, well may be, just may be. Chelsea is also a big club with big money and any player would love to play for them and they just won the premiership which is any players dream but all the same I am happy with my deal with Manchester united.


Nigeriasports.com-as it were you will be in Lyn Oslo till the end of the season, would have preferred to move to Manchester immediately?
MJO-I have to wait and play with Lyn instead of moving immediately and training without a game, the rest of the season in Norway will help me get more experience and maturity while watching Manchester united games that’s why Man U officials told me to remain at Lyn Oslo, that is no problem, I am happy that I have to be here for this season and may be by December I will move and start playing for Manchester in January.

nigeriasports-Manchester has an array of super Stars like Roy Keane, Ruud Van Nistelroy, Ryan Giggs, Wayne Rooney and others, are you in any way scared to play with them?
MJO-it’s a very nice thing and that’s what every football player wants, to play with such world stars like that, I am very happy to be going to play with them and it’s going to be fine. I hope to learn from them.

Nigeriasports.com-You were given jersey number 21, is there anything about the number for you?
MJO-no, no, no there is nothing special about it but my manager at Lyn Oslo wore that number when he played at Old Trafford for Manchester United, may be he told them to give it to me and I am very happy to have it. "

http://nigeriasports.com/2302

Sorry Pede but if you believe that Man U is playing a 'bad' role in this saga then you must be dreaming, since Chelsea got loaded they think they can break all the rules. Chelsea tried it with Ashley Cole so why should it be any different with Mikel. I can't remember any case were Man U had any problems getting players in a wrong way, Chelsea has had many cases in 2 years time then Man U in the last 15 years.....

One thing I don't understand is where did Lyn come in to this , they brought him over from Africa and sold him a month later with no representatives present for the player. I don't think anyone is innocent in this case. It's sad that these African players are being treated like a commodity I though we had moved on from the Slave trading days.

What would u guys say to signin Kasper Schmeichel ?

What would u guys say to signin Kasper Schmeichel ?
From City?

We can't say who is innocent here and who is not. Chelsea is owned by one of the biggest crooks in the world and had a few dirty incidents before, plus the fact that it's Kenyon doing the work, also adds to the part that Chelsea could be the bad guys. But then you can't just assume that Chelsea are the bad guys, just because of their owner and past dealings. United had a few transfer "steals" as well in the past. Even the transfer of Roy Keane from Nottingham was legal but very unethical. So, the point is that we can't decide who is innocent and who is guilty, until somebody close to the situation comes out and shows his facts.


This issue, really takes corruption in football to the new level and i just hope that this issue is resolved quickly and we can get on with whatever the outcome is. I really couldn't care less if Mikael plays for us or somebody else, even if he turns into Ronaldinho-class player. Imo would have been better if he just went to Chelsea and sat on the bench there, than at least the word "bad" would not be in the same sentence as "Manchester United".

at least the word "bad" would not be in the same sentence as "Manchester United".
Did you see us in the Champions League?

Kidding, I know what you mean, but I must say that while things are still primarily in the dark about Obi, we can't really say who is the worst of the four forces (United, Chelsea, Obi, ****tu). I didn't think that pede's post was very biased, given the information presented. Yes, there was a hint of blue-shaded (not rose-shaded) glasses, but I don't think it was offensive at all. All I know is that I hope that Obi comes to United; I hope that the situation unwinds and whatever truth is out there shows United to have rights to him.

Richardson is hardly a world-beater...


ferguson reckons he has been on one the best players in the last two games. :boohoo:

From City?

yea

you think he will turn out to be like his dad NGAFOOTBALLKING? :kader:

hey im allowed to dream arent i!

Kasper is not as class as his father (the best ever keeper or at least up their with the all time greats). I'd rather give that Ben Foster a chance actually. heard promising things since he's been on loan

plus the fact that it's Kenyon doing the work, also adds to the part that Chelsea could be the bad guys.

Kenyon cant be that bad can he? I remember one time through connections a friend from Wimbledon talked to him at a business meeting and Kenyon sent me a big box of stuff from the MU shop at Old Trafford (freight was 60 pounds wtf?).

Cooper Leaves Old Trafford
http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=299769&itype=466&icategoryid=120

expect barton at united and dream boy richo at city. (pearce wanted him)
Fergie On Red Alert For Joey
Joey Barton is poised for a sensational switch across Manchester from City to United. The tough midfielder last night stunned City by handing in a written transfer request - 24 hours before the deadline. City immediately rejected the request, but sources claimed that the 23-year-old is about to solve Sir Alex Ferguson's midfield problem. If Ferguson lands Barton - for around £5m - United's Kieran Richardson could move to Eastlands as part of the deal.
Bill Thornton, Daily Star

some stats comparing him with gerrard:

Shooting Player Shots Shot %
1 Andrew Cole 48 48%
2 Joey Barton 46 50%
3 Darius Vassell 44 45%
4 Antoine Sibierski 25 36%
5 Kizito Musampa 21 29%

Shooting Player Shots Shot %
1 Steven Gerrard 55 45%
2 Peter Crouch 44 55%
3 Djibril Cisse 39 33%
4 Fernando Morientes 37 57%
5 Luis Garcia 29 41%

Passing Player Passes Pass %
1 Joey Barton 874 76%
2 Claudio Reyna 544 74%
3 Darius Vassell 532 74%
4 Sylvain Distin 521 78%
5 Richard Dunne 499 76%

Passing Player Passes Pass %
1 Xabi Alonso 1,106 76%
2 Jamie Carragher 905 74%
3 Sami Hyypia 879 74%
4 Steven Gerrard 837 78%
5 Steve Finnan 760 76%

Crossing Player Crosses Cross %
1 Joey Barton 120 30%
2 Trevor Sinclair 76 24%
3 Kizito Musampa 68 23%
4 Jihai Sun 67 19%
5 Stephen Ireland 54 26%

Crossing Player Crosses Cross %
1 Steven Gerrard 170 30%
2 Steve Finnan 72 24%
3 Djibril Cisse 54 23%
4 John Arne Riise 52 19%
5 Xabi Alonso 44 26%

Tackling Player Tackles Tackle %
1 Joey Barton 105 69%
2 Darius Vassell 62 73%
3 Ben Thatcher 59 69%
4 Sylvain Distin 58 64%
5 Stephen Ireland 58 73%

Tackling Player Tackles Tackle %
1 Mohamed Sissoko 112 69%
2 Xabi Alonso 89 73%
3 Steven Gerrard 59 69%
4 Steve Finnan 54 64%
5 Sami Hyypia 54 73%

Dribbling Player Dribbles Dribble %
1 Darius Vassell 94 53%
2 Trevor Sinclair 81 54%
3 Joey Barton 78 54%
4 Kizito Musampa 48 75%
5 Andrew Cole 47 59%

Dribbling Player Dribbles Dribble %
1 Steven Gerrard 114 53%
2 Luis Garcia 73 54%
3 Steve Finnan 62 54%
4 Harry Kewell 62 75%
5 Jamie Carragher 61 59%

Player Starts (Subs) Gls Asst Yellow Red
Barton...22.......(0)....5.....3......6......0


Player Starts (Subs) Gls Asst Yellow Red
Gerrard....19.....(0)....6.....3.......2........0

Interesting ey?

Barton is becoming a very classy midfielder. He could be one major missing link we lot need to be a fully balanced squad.

Kenyon cant be that bad can he? I remember one time through connections a friend from Wimbledon talked to him at a business meeting and Kenyon sent me a big box of stuff from the MU shop at Old Trafford (freight was 60 pounds wtf?).
Yeah, if you ask them and send letters or something, they will send you stuff back. At least that's what i heard, couldn't be bothered to try though, to lazy to write a letter.

Man u made an offer for Reggina's midfielder Carlos Paredes, but the 300 thousand bid was rejected, his contract expires at the end of this season

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=358867&CPID=21&clid=&lid=2&title=United+in+fresh+failure

We must be desperate. The next you know is that we sign Barton.

We must be desperate. The next you know is that we sign Barton.

Yeah it's understandeble, we need a short-term solution for now

@d3adly

Hey that Fergie-Wenger fit flash thing ala Champ. Manager is top class ! where did you get that from ?

We must be desperate. The next you know is that we sign Barton.

My left ball > :sb9: > Fletcher > Any Man City player.

My left ball > :sb9: > Fletcher > Any Man City player.

at least Fletcher > any Man City player :fool:

hell no, I don't want burning cigarettes in our youth players' eyes.

City still beated the crap out of us, so Ill take any player wrost than fletcher that get us on a winning street. eg. barton.

Help.......Just like at any club man.......If you are good enough you will not be warming the bench.
You guys say a statement like "warming the bench" as a put down right?So what would you give to have such a strength in depth in your squad.Exactly.....
Every fan would like their clubs first 22 players to be as, or almost as, exceptionally talented as the best players in the squad.Players come to Chelsea understanding that they can make it to the first 11.If they dont shape up then they will be in the 2nd 11 until they do.We dont have a first 11 and the rest are crap like some clubs.And for all the unsubstantiated accusations by the media and others regarding Abromovich,there is not one club in the country,hell probably the world that dont wish he was at their club. ................Roman > Malcolm.............You know what i mean? :)

i agree about Kenton though.He is a slime.But do you think he only became a slime since he went to Chelsea?...No way.He has always been like that as you lot already know.The diffence is this.When he was a slime for Man U ,you lot did not care what methods he used to get what he wanted.You closed your eyes to his methods....But now he is doing the same thing at Chelsea you say he is a disgrace for the things he does.I would say that is hypocrisy at its finest.He served his apprentiship at Man U.Who did he learn from thats what i would like to know.

Man I'm still hoping we will make a last minute move for a midfielder

Help.......Just like at any club man.......If you are good enough you will not be warming the bench.
You guys say a statement like "warming the bench" as a put down right?So what would you give to have such a strength in depth in your squad.Exactly.....
Every fan would like their clubs first 22 players to be as, or almost as, exceptionally talented as the best players in the squad.Players come to Chelsea understanding that they can make it to the first 11.If they dont shape up then they will be in the 2nd 11 until they do.We dont have a first 11 and the rest are crap like some clubs.And for all the unsubstantiated accusations by the media and others regarding Abromovich,there is not one club in the country,hell probably the world that dont wish he was at their club. ................Roman > Malcolm.............You know what i mean? :)

i agree about Kenton though.He is a slime.But do you think he only became a slime since he went to Chelsea?...No way.He has always been like that as you lot already know.The diffence is this.When he was a slime for Man U ,you lot did not care what methods he used to get what he wanted.You closed your eyes to his methods....But now he is doing the same thing at Chelsea you say he is a disgrace for the things he does.I would say that is hypocrisy at its finest.He served his apprentiship at Man U.Who did he learn from thats what i would like to know.
Nah, i don't know about others, but for me, i don't care about Kenyon. It's Roman, that i gotta problem with, not Chelsea-United problem, but a much more personal one.

F*ck off Mikel. What a dickhead, if he didn't want to sign for us why sign the contract. And why the feck are FIFA taking such a fecking long time to deal with this. Fecking joke! :|

Mikel calls on Man Utd to end row (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/4667934.stm)

mikel is really starting to get annoying. why sign the deal in the first place then? fifa should ban this kid for 2 years and then he'll know u got to stick with the rules

I think it's harsh to call for Mikel to be banned ,especially we don't know the full details of the case. Making a 17 year old sign a contract with no representation doesn't sound fair. FIFA are a joke anyway , I bet noone will be charged as a result

I hope he spends a good 3 years time on the Chelsea coz thats gonna be for his own good. Even on the bench who cares? He'll still get the money that he craves for. I don't get it why he signed for Man U even when he knew that Chelsea was interested in him.

he is a gold digger i tells ya. :ewan:
on a serious note, rio in the midfield and vidic to start in his first premiership match (C)

Window shuts on Defoe
Manchester United and Liverpool both failed on the eve of the transfer deadline with £12million player exchange bids for Tottenham misfit Jermain Defoe. United manager Sir Alex Ferguson, a long-term admirer of the Spurs and England forward, offered £2m cash plus French striker Louis Saha.
Tony Banks, Daily Express

wow defoe, he is about to spend 12 mill on a striker and not a midfielder. saha is in good form why him? this must be bull****, but on manutd site.

Saha on his day can be better than Defoe.

It's just crap, manutd.com quoted it from sources themselves

is there any link for tonight game?

is there any link for tonight game?

http://www.voetbalinbeeld.nl/woensdag.htm

add it to your favorites

Man Utd
E Van der Sar, G Neville, W Brown, N Vidic, P Evra, C Ronaldo, D Fletcher, R Ferdinand, K Richardson, W Rooney, L Saha
Subs: T Howard, R van Nistelrooy, J Park, M Silvestre, G Pique

Glad to see Saha on starting line-up. But Park is on bench. :rolleyes:

Park has been out injured for a month and played only on sunday. Give him some time to breathe min (H) He'll be on when ronaldo screws up anyway :(

F@ck... no link for this match :nape:

F@ck... no link for this match :nape:

Go one page back, the last post

Go one page back, the last post
I know that site, but there is nothing under ManUtd-Rovers... :nape:

There are 2 channels for Pool and Brum tho... that doesn't help :p

EDIT: there's a link now, yay! :lui:

I know that site, but there is nothing under ManUtd-Rovers... :nape:

There are 2 channels for Pool and Brum tho... that doesn't help :p

Well I see the link, go the last black bar and then press play, and maybe you didn't see it because it is Blackburn - Man U and not the other way around

I have PPLive installed, and have used it before, but now whenever I try to use it, it says "Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (synacast) isn't associated with any program."

In Internet Explorer, it says that the link is broken.

Anyone know how to fix this?

have you tried reinstalling it?

Damn!! Rio is pretty impressive in midfield, he got a lot of skills for a defender

Well I see the link, go the last black bar and then press play, and maybe you didn't see it because it is Blackburn - Man U and not the other way around
yep, it's good now. :) Just refreshed it a few times.

Goal Bentley, from Pederson. :nape:

holy fack son of a gun Pedersen hurts us again!! :f***: What a FK, right off the upright!!! And Bentley puts in the rebound... :kader:

BUY PEDERSEN!!! :(

Saha :o

Sahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

Was he not offside when rooney took his shot?

EDIT: VNS is on the bench and who starts ahead of him? Saha. Wonderful :rockman:

Saha on his day can be better than Defoe.
that goal just explained :D

YESSSSSSSS!!! Saha immediately equaliser!!! :lui:

Hahaha :D 2-1 Bently

what a relieve

Oh great! 2-1 Blackburn.

VDS's fault!

cl**t and vds miscommunication... terrible

Rio and VdS :kader:

What the hell were Rio and VDS doing, big f*ck-up. :kader:

Is Vidic and Evra starting?

2 stupid give-away goals,

Yes.

Why the feck we always have problems with fecking Blackburn. :nape:

OH FOR F@CKS SAKE :kader: :f***:

3-1

Game set and match Blackburn!

Atleast it wasnt Vidic who made the mistakes otherwise we'd all be sayin £7m wasted!

1-0 Blackburn, top class, VDS and the Post save, unlucky with the rebound - but where were the defenders ?

1-1 Saha was offside when Rooney took the shoot. Still a nice goal

2-1 Rovers - what a schoolboy error by both of them

3-1 it was a pen


***

Rio sucks in Midfield tonight.

Vidic is top class !

Evra is a f*cking lightweight who barely can walk

Jesus this is ******* terrible....Really is. Papering over the crack with the last week or so, now there showing again. :nape:

All 3 goals were defensive errors. Rio playing good in midfield except that **** up with VDS. Lack of communication there. VDS should've told Rio to leave the ball for him to catch.

LUCKY Blackburn. Gifts from our own defence :nape: . 3-1 HT game over.

SAF should bring on Park,

just when we thought Rio is no longer a **** after the fantastic performance against liverpool
just when we thought Wes is no longer that stupid defender and could become a worldclass player
they just have to screw it like this

from what I've seen when my stream runs for more than 30 seconds at a time, we've been mostly poor, but have gifted them all 3 goals. I ******* hate Blackburn. They're not even very good... so what the **** does that say about us. :nape:

SAF should bring on Park,

if he's fit enough - hell yeah ! and take off that c*nt ronaldo

Vidic is top class !
WTF? Vidic has been invisible so far. Everytime Rovers threaten it's been Brown and Gaz cleaning the mess. All I see everytime is Vidic in the background walking.

from what I've seen when my stream runs for more than 30 seconds at a time, we've been mostly poor, but have gifted them all 3 goals. I ******* hate Blackburn. They're not even very good... so what the **** does that say about us. :nape:
man, as soon as i tuned in the game i saw the mistake by VDS
then Saha's goal
then immediately the stupid schoolboy error between Rio and VDS
and after that Brown's handball
sigh

Vidic has been class, considering this is his second match, no defensive errors and his passing has been good

WTF? Vidic has been invisible so far. Everytime Rovers threaten it's been Brown and Gaz cleaning the mess. All I see everytime is Vidic in the background walking.

Well maybe my stream has f#cked up too much and it was Brown or but there were 2-3 great tackles by a UTD CB and it wasn't Rio

Well maybe my stream has f#cked up too much and it was Brown or but there were 2-3 great tackles by a UTD CB and it wasn't Rio
It was Vidic

man, as soon as i tuned in the game i saw the mistake by VDS

I wouldn't account the 1st goal as mistake by VDS, afterall he/or and the post saved the superb freekick, the rest was just unlucky IMO.


Arsenal is losing 1-2 atm
Chelski winning 1-0 atm
the Mickeys are on a 0-0 atm

As long as we can keep Liverpool behind us then I am happy, van der sar saved the free-kick, but it wasn't easy, there should've been a defender nearby. We can get more out of this match, but they have to take the initiative instead of leaning back, just move Rooney to the AM position and bring in Ruud for Fletch and Park for Ronaldo

Vidic hasn't made any mistakes yet that's true, but he's not giving us the aggressive, influential type of presence I was expecting. Our backline seems to be in a mess and Vidic hasn't gotten himself involved to restore some order.

As long as we can keep Liverpool behind us then I am happy, van der sar saved the free-kick, but it wasn't easy, there should've been a defender nearby

thanks for clearing that up - my streamimage is not really sharp.

Vidic hasn't made any mistakes yet that's true, but he's not giving us the aggressive, influential type of presence I was expecting. Our backline seems to be in a mess and Vidic hasn't gotten himself involved to restore some order.

maybe true but as said above it's only his 2nd game for us.

I dont think were gonna win from here but I wanna see 45 mins of urgency and attacking football by utd.

We seem to lose our away form, that was quite impressive the last one and a half season

oh my..... what a miss by Rooney. :S He probably thought he was offside.

DAMN!!!! Friedel, why does he always have to rise his game against us

f*ck why does Friedel always play so fantastic against Utd ?! what a save, IMO it was no Offside by Rooney

1-1 between Chelski-Villa 78mins gone - totally deserved (chelski was lucky 2 clear penaltys were not given against them)

good good, Richardson and Fletcher are both off. They have done as much as the 4th official so far.

ronaldo cant cross to save his life

RVN n park on. fletch n keiran off.
rio in DM rooney AM park n ronaldo on wings

EDIT: 4-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!