I guess I just can't relate to something like that because just about every captain I've had has been a Keane type midfielder. Actually I've had the same captain for every team I've been on since I was 10. I guess, besides from natural opinion, it also matters what type of players you've had as a captain. I definitely see your point in how he inspires his teammates, and he's probably the best communicator on the team (unless VdS counts). The more you talk, the more I think that Rio would make a good captain. I just never really noticed what his style of play can do, because I've never played with any center backs like him.

well maybe the whole alan smith converted to midfielder could happen. Look at what Jose did with Gudjohnsen, he was converted from an out and out striker to a roaming midfielder. He played very well in the champions league, so i dont see why the same couldnt happen with smith.

i think Alan Smith would be a quality DMC or MC if he could learn to tackle - he has similar determination and leadership qualities to Keane and also, he NEVER stops. He's one guy i know i can rely on to run his heart out in any situation.


You do know there's more to being a holding midfielder than just tackling? He may have determination, but determination only makes a fan's favourite, not a good player. He'll have to learn when to tackle and when not to tackle. He'll have to learn marking, a complete differnet positional system. He'll have to be able to read the game. It's a big jump from Striker to dMC. They're completely different.

You do know there's more to being a holding midfielder than just tackling? He may have determination, but determination only makes a fan's favourite, not a good player. He'll have to learn when to tackle and when not to tackle. He'll have to learn marking, a complete differnet positional system. He'll have to be able to read the game. It's a big jump from Striker to dMC. They're completely different.
Excellent point, very true. Hopefully this will open some people's eyes. :nape:

You do know there's more to being a holding midfielder than just tackling? He may have determination, but determination only makes a fan's favourite, not a good player. He'll have to learn when to tackle and when not to tackle. He'll have to learn marking, a complete differnet positional system. He'll have to be able to read the game. It's a big jump from Striker to dMC. They're completely different.

sorry to cause the big discussion now - didn't mean to.

When I did the line ups a page ago I didn't use Smith as a holding or defensive midfielder - there is no DM in my line up (think of it what you like) Smith and the others are CMs & wingers

Anyway Irwin thinks Keane can go on for more than 1 season
see MEN article here (http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/sport/football/manchesterunited/s/161/161840_keep_making_reds_tick_roy.html)
(Irwin = legend, a player who worked his *ss off when he turned 30 for about 5 seasons and always got a new 1 year deal - becuase he was still good enough - Giggs should have done the same. :jambo:

but you're not American are you. Look around, your baseball loving neighbours, basketball playin friends, football pimpin cheerleaders (oh mercy!;)) You get the picture. Football ain't even reached half the demand that it would get in Europe, or Asia, let alone Saouth America etc etc.

So who the hell is he (the billspayer), to tell our manager to do what, this isn't American sport where u draft/trade players. In football, hard cash is what you gets you world class talent(and good youth system). Now that we got the 3 stooges roaming the board, who knows what kind of crap they could come up with. I'm just hoping they put some positive input into the club...Fingers crossed...really...
ah fvck it!

Im not saying that i support Glazer (for all i care he can rot in fvcking h3ll)!

Very Bad News :kader: !
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1648580,00.html

Ticket Prices to rise 54% whitin 5 years!
yearly showcase game in Florida
Transferbudget limited to +/- 25 M £ a season
and so on...

F.a.c.k Glazer is great. He may rise the ticket prices but united will become stronger and have more money to spend. And if glazer got his money back we will have much more money that other clubs and maybe abramovich will be gone so we will be the richest club in the world again.

I know that wat i am saying is not good but if glazer doesn't do this chelsea will became so strong an rich that we will be rip sory this is the truth.

F.a.c.k Glazer is great. He may rise the ticket prices but united will become stronger and have more money to spend. And if glazer got his money back we will have much more money that other clubs and maybe abramovich will be gone so we will be the richest club in the world again.

I know that wat i am saying is not good but if glazer doesn't do this chelsea will became so strong an rich that we will be rip sory this is the truth.

Do you know what you are talking about ?! - I don't know how old you are but GROW UP and Open your eyes.

As soon as he has payed of his debts/interest with a BIG IF before (Because there is only a very very small possibility that that can happen and the Club survives) he will pocket all the money in HIS pockets and not in the club!

it is in Glazer's best interests that the club does well because then he makes more money. Simple as that.

Do you know what you are talking about ?! - I don't know how old you are but GROW UP and Open your eyes.

As soon as he has payed of his debts/interest with a BIG IF before (Because there is only a very very small possibility that that can happen and the Club survives) he will pocket all the money in HIS pockets and not in the club!

Seven 8 or wat the fck your called, did ya know why van der vaart doesn't want to go to england because he says that english people are stupid an maybe hese right, glazer buyed united so no one can change that so now you must look forward an support the men because if we dont he may sell united or do something crazy with us. So whos the stupid one.

And bytheway i am 17!!!!!

is mikel our player?????
MORE wingers Vicente (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=283286&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=United+make+move+for+winger&channel=Premiership) and Joaquin (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=283348&CPID=23&CLID=1&lid=&title=Betis:+Four+bids+for+Joaquin&channel=Premiership)

is mikel our player?????
MORE wingers Vicente (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=283286&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=United+make+move+for+winger&channel=Premiership) and Joaquin (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=283348&CPID=23&CLID=1&lid=&title=Betis:+Four+bids+for+Joaquin&channel=Premiership)

yes, he is our player but he said he was forced to sign for us

forget about both of them if chelsea step in. we're not going to win the bid war

yes, he is our player but he said he was forced to sign for us

forget about both of them if chelsea step in. we're not going to win the bid war
i know Joaquin will probably go to real but didnt hear anything about Vicente going any where

@oussimoes : If got no idea what you "brabble" in your post

Mikel is a bit in a grey area atm:

he signed like a "pre-contract" with ManUtd after they agreed terms with Lyn. This "pre-contract" is legal - therefore Mikel must show up @ManUtd when the contract begins. Lyn received already a undisclosed amount from United (probably not the whole transfer fee) so no other team is aloud to enter negations with Lyn - even if they would want to pay more for him than ManUtd did. It will be very interesting what FIFA thinks of the whole "Mikel-case"

Generally speaking - Playersagents are not good for the game

both spanish wingers are great players but probably cost too much anyway.

We don't need them anyway.

Park weighing up United chance (http://www.sportinglife.com/football/premiership/manu/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=international_feed/05/06/10/manual_114042.html&TEAMHD=manu&DIV=prem&TEAM=Man%20Utd&RH=Manchester--United&PREV_SEASON=)

Damn, I hope they can sort it out fast, I can already see the headlines; "Chelsea hijack Park deal" :(

We don't need them anyway.

Park weighing up United chance (http://www.sportinglife.com/football/premiership/manu/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=international_feed/05/06/10/manual_114042.html&TEAMHD=manu&DIV=prem&TEAM=Man%20Utd&RH=Manchester--United&PREV_SEASON=)

Damn, I hope they can sort it out fast, I can already see the headlines; "Chelsea hijack Park deal" :(

good to hear park confidence he able to adapt in english life. i believe chelsea won't show interest on park, i think they will go for some big name player

Park is an great player and he always work for 100 % so thats the player we need

Why the hell would chelsea want vicente when they have robben and duff as left wingers, and a natural right footer in joe cole who has played on the right. Anyway enough about them...

someone mentioned sneijder earlier ... he'd be a great signing i think, still very young and has great potential..

if we dont he may sell united or do something crazy with us. So whos the stupid one.

And bytheway i am 17!!!!!
If he did sell Man Utd it would rather be to somebody who's as rich or richer, so we'd be in a better situation than we are now :rolleyes:

Not particurlarly, if he ruins the club the overall value will fall, and he can sell it for much cheaper than he bought it, especially if there is debt attached to it.

With the insane increase in ticket prices, i'm not sure how many people will go, thnk about it, 50(pounds) a game, 2 games a week, 100 overall. Thas alot of money to spend on weekly games. I thnk people in Manchester will stop showing up eventually and who knows...

Plane tickets to England are cheaper :nape:

£50 pounds per game??!?!?!?!??! = RM350 / AUD$170+ man. how many thing i could do or could buy with this amount of money. it won't cost me that much to go for a footy game :|

i could even flight to tasmania twice :(

Not particurlarly, if he ruins the club the overall value will fall, and he can sell it for much cheaper than he bought it, especially if there is debt attached to it. Malcolm Glazer is a business man, he wouldn't commit to a football club to sell it for Cheaper than he bought it within a matter of months because of fans acting up like oussimoes thinks. Be a complete waste of money, its never going to happen.

here we have glazer planning to rise ticket prices and on the other hand we are increasing stadium capacity.
wonder how the stadium will fill up

what is the winger of psv called he played on the left wing against ac milan

the 2 wingers that start most of the time are


Jefferson Farfan and Ji-Sung Park

You guys would be sweating a little after reading this article
After all Park Ji-Sung coming to MU wouldnt be a very good idea

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/feature?id=335059&cc=5901

Young-Pyo Lee (http://www.psv.nl/upload_mm/1974028005_1999998865_YoungPyoLee.jpg)
it doesnt matter because we have the beswt left back in the world already but he really did impress me

You guys would be sweating a little after reading this article
After all Park Ji-Sung coming to MU wouldnt be a very good idea

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/feature?id=335059&cc=5901
I think Park would be a good signing for us... He'll be a cheap but very talented player who is more than willing to run for 90 minutes every game. He's a versatile player, he can play on the wings or in the center of the midfield. I'd love to see him sign for us. I'm liking how our transfer list is going so far, with Van der Sar signing (edit: signed) and Park contemplating.
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Van Der Sar Completes United Move

Manchester United is delighted to announce that it has finalised an agreement with Fulham FC for the transfer of Edwin van der Sar.

The Dutch goalkeeper has signed a two year contract until 30 June 2007.

Edwin van der Sar said: "I am delighted to have signed for Manchester United, one of the most famous clubs in the world.

"I’m looking forward to joining my new team mates to start preparations for the new season, which promises to be one of the most exciting of my career," he added.

Sir Alex Ferguson said: "Edwin brings a wealth of experience to the team. He is an international goalkeeper with proven class."

http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=183521&itype=466&icategoryid=0

i could even flight to tasmania twice :(

But who the hell would want to do that lol

But who the hell would want to do that lol

because i'm going to tasmania for my holiday in july :)

Real Madrid are seeking to offer Michael Owen to Manchester United in exchange for midfielder Cristiano Ronaldo. (Daily Mirror)

no thanks. :nape:

why the f*ck are we being linked to strikers this summer?
i know its just speculation,but speculation is also a hint of the things happeningin the clubs background.

owen,villa.....who else.
and now real want ronaldo for owen?
no chance.

Real Madrid are seeking to offer Michael Owen to Manchester United in exchange for midfielder Cristiano Ronaldo. (Daily Mirror)

no thanks. :nape:


yes,If they pay us 1billion

Ronaldo contract standstill / Heinze wants Glazer to reval his plans (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=283894&cpid=8&CLID=&lid=2&title=Ronaldo+talks+have+stalled&channel=Football_Home)

(finally a player appart from Ole who says something - even if they are probably probhited to do so...)

Did anyone see Holland U20 against Japan U20. The perfect replacement for Keane could be Ajax' Maduro, he is tall and strong. He can pass very good and he has scoring abillities. He is also part of the Dutch NT.

PSV Demand Big Park Fee (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=283901&CPID=8&CLID=&lid=2&title=PSV+will+demand+big+Park+fee&channel=Football_Home)

oh man :(

He should cost less than Djemba-Djemba and Kleberson. I'd be killing Fergie if we paid a high amount for a rather untested EPL player.

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=283678&lid=2&cpid=24&title=Ben+Arfa+staying+at+Lyon&channel=Football_Home

He is a good talent, especially if comes in cheap.

http://gallery.euphorics.net/uploads/united/41899394death2glazier3thslogan.JPG
I declare Fatwah on Uncle Malc. :jambo: :rockman:

Ronaldo should get his contract and he`ll most likely get the same as Rooney, would be a disgrace if the board give him less and we end up losing him. :nape:

I haven`t got the time to read this thread from the beginning, but Cristiano Ronaldo is coming to Indonesia for a charity event over the Aceh`s tsunami disaster. I`m plannin` to meet him personally. Finally, a Man U player I can meet up in person. BTW how`s Ole ? The TV station here is broadcasting a couple of Man U classic matches including the ones involving Ole scoring 4 goals in a couple of minutes as a late substitute against the Forrest a couple years back. I miss the guy.

Damn Man Udt are being screwed over by everyone. That's not right, i'm a gooner and know this is wrong :kader:

:o, that's very kind of you Dreath... it's very surprising to see a gooner with any kind of heart :)

Ah fvckin hell, seriously, transfer fee caps, maybe even certain salary caps, Nike b1tching, we are screwed. And on top of all that the fans are getting screwed, remember that the most loyal fans aren't nescessarily the rich elite crowd that Glazer is targeting. The loyal fans who go to OT week in week out screaming at their top of their lungs in support, will be priced out of watching the club that many of them have supported their whole lives. All for Glazer to fill up the pockets for himself and his sons. :nape:

fecking hell, so many depressing news surrounding us nowdays. :(

If we lose Ronaldo, we will be officially ****ed.


Why...why, why the **** should we want Owen? It's depressing to read **** like this.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.dor?STORY_NAME=soccer/05/06/11/manual_151139.html&TEAMHD=soccer

Ronaldo and Rooney are definitely very ambitious and this is a good attitude. But they should trust the club and trust themselves who are the players to bring the club to the top of the world. They should behave as a 20-year-old player, they should be humble in order to learn more and become a world class player in the future.

If Ronaldo goes, plus 10m, which would be **** in itself, then we must commit sin by trying to bring someone like Shawn-Wright to the club, he's just as good.

But its prob all BS, Ronaldo for Owen, we don't need a 5th striker.

Or even better, if Madrid do end up buying Ronaldo, we should hijack Robinho with the same money they give us, and loan his ass out till hes ready to play for United.

dont know if anyone posted before... really a very good scene :D
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=53049804&cdi=0
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=53049802&cdi=0
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=53049812&cdi=0

Owen for Van Nistelrooy would be tempting though... :p



Ronaldo won't go, i'm sure of it. Rooney won't either. They know that Man Utd is the best club for them to progress and learn at, with SAF at the helm (or in the backgrounds) they know that no where else can offer them what United can when it comes to player development.

If Ronaldo goes, plus 10m, which would be **** in itself, then we must commit sin by trying to bring someone like Shawn-Wright to the club, he's just as good.

But its prob all BS, Ronaldo for Owen, we don't need a 5th striker.

Or even better, if Madrid do end up buying Ronaldo, we should hijack Robinho with the same money they give us, and loan his ass out till hes ready to play for United.
and if Robinho is going to join us, kidnapping may occur again... :p

and yes, i dont think we need Owen. But are we going to sell Saha? or just keep him on the bench or even not on the bench?

Saha should go back to Fulham imo, or another club of that level - maybe Aston Villa - they've got the money!

but i don't think we should buy another striker to replace him, with Bellion and Rossi there is no need. Plus that means Smith will get more games.

and if Robinho is going to join us, kidnapping may occur again...

All we have to do is show Robinho our track record for developing young players. He is good, young, quick, weak so he will need improvements. In Madrid he has to battle for a first team spot regardless of owen or not, Manchester has a good rotation, nobody is above the club so anyone could be benched to make space. He can play anywhere up front, right, left, centre. Ah maybe I'm dreamin', prob no chance for him to want to come but who knows...

Robinho would obviously be a fantastic signing but i really doubt we'd get him.

I thought i remember reading once we had one of them youth links with santos...

Anyway, being linked with gatusso again (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=283972&cpid=21&CLID=1&lid=&title=United+consider+Gattuso&channel=Premiership)

About ronaldo, i doubt fergie would let the board sell him, saying he's staying an extra three years to see fletch,rooney and ronaldo develop into world class players.

i would absolutely LOVE Gattuso to come to United, he would instantly become a fan favourite with his mad style. He's such a quality player...


Reports in Italy have suggested that United's move is emanating from new owner Malcolm Glazer, who wants to try and ease his relationship with the club's fans by sanctioning a big-name signing.
oh please glazer please :)

Of coz everyone will love Gattuso coming... and i remember that just after we got knocked out by Milan, theres a rumour saying we wanted to buy Gattuso. But the rumour was turned down.

Our midfield really needs the kinds of box-to-box player and hard-working player. So Park Ji-Sung will be a good signing, and i think he can play DMC as well as winger.

Gattuso is extremely hard working. And can play the box-to-box game if we needed him to.

Everyone seems to think we need a "box-to-box" player, but there's no need with the system we play with Rooney dropping off the main striker into the gap with Scholes, CR and Giggs. So a "box-to-box" player is not completely necessary.

Even though Gattuso is better, I think Park would be a better signing for us.

BOTH BOTH BOTH! :D:D:D:D:D

anyways...

i bet VDS didn't know he'd be playing with this guy later on would he heheh

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/52507617.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=062216C2E92DE6860A1B42CC4DE98575621B2AC3A625 13D3

Gattuso would be fantastic, but he would need to adapt quickly considering his reputation. He'd be the dirty guy but it means that we'd have to play 4-5-1 unless Fergie has the balls to bench Scholes or Keane.

damn, how much i would like to see gattuso play for us but we MUST sell some players.

Gattuso would be fantastic, but he would need to adapt quickly considering his reputation. He'd be the dirty guy but it means that we'd have to play 4-5-1 unless Fergie has the balls to bench Scholes or Keane.

Id bench one of them but not both

Glazer has enough Man Utd shares to force fans to sell
By Andrew Murray-Watson (Filed: 12/06/2005)

Malcolm Glazer, the US sports tycoon, will tomorrow reveal that he has acquired more than 90 per cent of shares in Manchester United, allowing him to force fans opposed to his £790m takeover of the club to sell their shares.

UK stock market regulations allow Glazer to compulsorily acquire the outstanding shares in Man Utd once he crosses the 90 per cent threshold. It is understood that by late Friday Glazer held about 92 per cent of Man Utd's shares.


Representatives from Man Utd fan groups had hoped to hold on to their shares so they could put pressure on Glazer to invest sufficiently in the club.

Glazer's sons Joel, Bryan and Avram, who all joined the Man Utd board last week, are believed to be looking at the issue of naming rights for the club's Old Trafford stadium. Possible options include finding a sponsor for the whole stadium or for different parts of the ground. However, Glazer is thought to have ruled out a sale and leaseback of Old Trafford.

Opponents of the takeover fear Glazer might sell the ground - valued at £200m - as a way of paying back some of the £540m of debt he took on to fund the acquisition of Man Utd.




http://www.money.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2005/06/12/cnmanu12.xml&menuId=242&sSheet=/money/2005/06/12/ixfrontcity.html

i'd prefer ballack over gattuso anytime.
younger and can score hell lot of goals from midfield.absolute quality.
and nyways gattuso ain't younger by any means

i'd prefer ballack over gattuso anytime.
younger and can score hell lot of goals from midfield.absolute quality.
and nyways gattuso ain't younger by any means
Ballack is a bitch . . .

Gattusso would break his back in the match for the club. Gotta love and have a player like that.

Gattuso = World Class Midfield Player that would succed in the EPL (he played for Rangers I think so the britishstyle should not be a problem for him)

and wabout the Owen/Ronaldo swap - that's pure bs I'm sure.

I like & rate Owen highly, but we have already Rooney, Smith, Nistelrooy, Saha aka Mr. Injury, Solskjaer, Bellion and Rossi - we don't need a striker atm - unless some leave.

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=284106&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=Howard+unhappy+with+Van+arrival&channel=Premiership

FM like isn't it?

Gattuso = World Class Midfield Player that would succed in the EPL (he played for Rangers I think so the britishstyle should not be a problem for him)

I like & rate Owen highly, but we have already Rooney, Smith, Nistelrooy, Saha aka Mr. Injury, Solskjaer, Bellion and Rossi - we don't need a striker atm - unless some leave.

I would sell Saha and Solskjaer, then i would loan Bellion and Rossi. Hopefully they will turn out like Kieran Richardson.

sell Solskjaer :| you must be crazy. He's 32, so he's worth far more to the club than what we could sell him for.

He's a legend, there is no way we'd sell him.

Rather sell Solskjaer then Bellion and Kleberson? What an idiot...

I would sell Saha and Solskjaer, then i would loan Bellion and Rossi. Hopefully they will turn out like Kieran Richardson.
Did u get to mutch to drink,last night?
Why the hell do u want to sell Solskjaer?because he have been injuryed?
Solskjaer have been at Manu since 96,and have never had a bad season,exept for the one's with injury's
he have always popped up and scored importen goals.he is 32 and expect to end his career at manu!
I see no reason to sell him as long as we can expect him to deliver the goals!!
:read:

No its not that i just dont like him he does something that erkks me sorry if i hurt your feelings.

No its not that i just dont like him he does something that erkks me sorry if i hurt your feelings.
that's what i tought,it's you not Solskjaer that is the case here!!
(H)

There was only one time i did like him, in the 1999 CL Final.

i'd sell Fortune, Saha and Miller.

Kleberson should be given more opportunities in the first team to show us what an amazing player he is, or loan him out for a season.

Bellion should be loaned out to a club like west brom or west ham.
Rossi should be a kind of 4th striker replacing Saha, but Smith taking priority.

Silvestre had a bad season yes, but he should definately not be sold.

well Timmy is not happy - who's fault is that...
IMO - Sh*t up and work - if he's good enough he'll play...

Selling Solskjaer is a loose/loose situation - very little fee if any and selling a club legend just like that - doesn't go well with fans + expirience can be very helpful to guide young players -) Rooney, Rossi

Bellion - I'd loan him out for 6 months - if he improves like he did in the reserves we can keep him otherwise cut loses, spare the wage and squadnumber and give the place to a youngster.


Saha would be the only Striker I'd love to sell - even if we will get nowhere near the 12M £ or so we paid for him - his wages are not cheap either.

Howard should just shut the f*ck up and just be grateful for the opportunity to be a Manchester United player and actually have the chance to play.

There are LOTS of better keepers out there who'll never have such chance.

I would sell Saha and Solskjaer, then i would loan Bellion and Rossi. Hopefully they will turn out like Kieran Richardson.

I'd also sell Fortune, Miller and Kleberson.(C)

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=284106&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=Howard+unhappy+with+Van+arrival&channel=Premiership

FM like isn't it?


err who the hell he think he is :|? Howard should knuckle down and take this opportunity to learn from VDS. If he stopped ****ing twitching and dropping clangers we wouldnt have needed a new keeper. Mouthing off to the press in that manner does not improve his chances at all.

he wasn't mouthing off at all :| he's basically just saying that he was disappointed with the signing of VDS, which you can expect. So don't go on about all this "who the hell does he think he is?" shi't because he has every right to be disappointed with the situation he is currently in. I'm just hoping that it spurs him to improve even more to become a great keeper for Man Utd.

There was only one time i did like him, in the 1999 CL Final.

The moment that I always remember is when you guys were playing Newcastle a number of seasons ago...it was like a must win game and towards the end of the 90 minutes with you guys winning by a goal, Gary Speed (I think) broke through and was one on one but Solskjaer wasn't having any of it. He ran all the way back (your lazy ass defenders had given up) and hacked him down unceremoniously from behind, which got him sent off to a standing ovation...CLASS :fool:

legend Solskjaer :D :rockman:

The moment that I always remember is when you guys were playing Newcastle a number of seasons ago...it was like a must win game and towards the end of the 90 minutes with you guys winning by a goal, Gary Speed (I think) broke through and was one on one but Solskjaer wasn't having any of it. He ran all the way back (your lazy ass defenders had given up) and hacked him down unceremoniously from behind, which got him sent off to a standing ovation...CLASS :fool:
that's what called commited to the club!
what i see as a big moment,is when he scored 4 goals in 13 minute's against forest in 97 and the UCL final in 99

Watch it Ed, Ferguson has destroyed me
Manchester United outcast Ricardo today launches an astonishing attack on Sir Alex Ferguson and rages: "He destroyed me." The Spanish goalkeeper — who has just been released by the club — insists the manager never gave him a chance during his three years at Old Trafford. As new £2million signing Edwin Van der Sar becomes the latest man to try and fill United legend Peter Schmeichel's boots, Ricardo warns: "I had a nightmare three years under Ferguson. I came here as a Spanish international goalkeeper. I wanted to excel and what hurts the most is that Ferguson never gave me a chance. He stole my dreams, he destroyed my United career and I am furious with the way he treated me on a professional level. That's bad management. I came to United full of dreams and, without any explanation, it was all snatched away. If I had been given, say, 10 games and been poor, I'd keep my mouth shut. But that never happened."
Antony Kastrinakis, News of the World



on some grounds i agree with him.
he was never given a chance except for the one v blackburn where he gave away a pen and SAVED it.
should have been given atleast 5-6 runouts this season when neither roy or tim worked out well.

I agree, but I don't think you can compare Ricardo to VDS. VDS>>>>>>>>Ricardo

dont know if anyone posted before... really a very good scene :D
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=53049804&cdi=0
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I knew David Gill was tall, but taller than Van Der Sar :S

its prolly just the shoes!

Gill for Keeper '06! :fool:

Gill for Keeper '06!
:Bow: Gill the rock :drevil: wounder if he ever played football

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=284182&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=Moyes+seeks+Fergie+meeting&channel=Premiership

since when moyes so close to fergie :confused: hmm...

Moyes and Fergie have always been close, in fact Moyes played under Fergie.

that's what called commited to the club!
what i see as a big moment,is when he scored 4 goals in 13 minute's against forest in 97 and the UCL final in 99

haha missed you (H) off?:D

You didn't miss me then? :(

Varun you ho, you just leave me, i've wiped you from my mind, go back to your big issue girls :(

:boohoo:

Nah, soz about that...haven't had net access for a while at my flat but I'm back home now to revise for my exams.

Varun Potnudly, how ya doin' mate?

Phil the mexican transvestite :fluffy:

Varun, the damage is done now.... :nape:

Long time no speak, Phil! Yeah I'm not bad, what about yourself? Life's been a bit hectic for the past 6 months or so what with my new job as a operating theatre assistant, uni exams and of course, partying. What you been up to? BTW has your MSN changed, if it has PM the new one but I won't be able to get on till later this afternoon.

Just read that we've sold a record number of season tickets, 42,500, despite a rise of 10% in the price.

Ticket Sales Record (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4087282.stm)

Who said 'sell Solskjaer'?! Come to your senses, man! :) Selling Ole would be very, very wrong. Ole's a legend, as the banner in the Stretty says '20 LEGEND', and there aren't many United players with a banner in there. Ole will no longer be a United player when Ole decides he doesn't want to/can't play anymore.

ole ole ole........ole is a legend....n united dont sell legend

ole ole ole........ole is a legend....n united dont sell legend

Why he become a legend?
He is still playing !!!!!

Just read that we've sold a record number of season tickets, 42,500, despite a rise of 10% in the price.

Ticket Sales Record (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4087282.stm)
I'm glad (despite Glazer) that we're still getting lots of people at Old Trafford. Fergie and the players don't deserve to play in front of a half-empty stadium, especially with the new additions to the stands. Boycotting shirts, programs, and food is one thing, but we cannot purposefully fail to support our team at Old Trafford. Even with Glazer at the helm, it would be disrespectful to the history of the club to do so.
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Mour's Park war with Alex
Alex Ferguson is set for yet another war with Chelsea chief Jose Mourinho — this time over PSV winger Ji-Sung Park. Manchester United boss Fergie hoped to tie up a £4million deal for the South Korea star. But the Dutch side’s insistence they will not let Park go on the cheap — plus Frank Arnesen’s move to Chelsea — has moved the Blues into the box seat. And that will only add to the tension between the two clubs who are already locked in a bitter dispute over Nigerian whizkid John Obi Mikel. Park, 24, is out of contract next summer and will this week discuss his future with PSV boss Guus Hiddink. Mourinho is keen to sign a wide-right man. And Arnesen, who helped nurture Park while he was PSV’s technical director, will give the Blues boss glowing reports on the player once he completes his contro-versial switch from Spurs.
Ben Kinsella, The Sun

http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=184094&itype=466&icategoryid=365

I'm glad it's from The Sun. Chelsea buying Park would be the most pointless buy in the world.

The Sun just put 2 + 2 together and get 5. Why the hell would chelsea want park, when they have cole who can play on the right, then duff and robben interchanging, and being linked with joaquin and SWP, whilst also claiming to want one midfield who they are being linked with essien for.

The Sun just put 2 + 2 together and get 5. Why the hell would chelsea want park, when they have cole who can play on the right, then duff and robben interchanging, and being linked with joaquin and SWP, whilst also claiming to want one midfield who they are being linked with essien for.

would be absolutely pathetic if they want park just to stop us from buying him. :nape:

But I agree, the story seem rather bollox to me. Chelsea want a wide-right player, have shown NO interest in Park, the stpry came about because Arnesen is going to Chelsea (when, no one actually knows), then Chelsea could end up bidding for Park because Arnesen is a former PSV man...

Surprises could happen but it all seems a bit far fetched.

well Chelsea don't really need scouts at all... they can just sign whoever United are about to sign. Seems to have worked so far.

The Sun just put 2 + 2 together and get 5. Why the hell would chelsea want park, when they have cole who can play on the right, then duff and robben interchanging, and being linked with joaquin and SWP, whilst also claiming to want one midfield who they are being linked with essien for.

I'm really hoping this story isn't true because although he has great energy, enthusiasm and marketability, there are far better players in his position (against Milan, for example, he didn't seem to have great ball control and kept losing ball) and seeing as Mourinho's practically got an unlimited transfer budget, I don't see why Park would be a target. I apologise if this sounds really arrogant and maybe he'll prove me wrong and play really well in the Premiership (if he comes over here)...who knows.

Damn, I hope they can sort it out fast, I can already see the headlines; "Chelsea hijack Park deal" :(

:(

Hey, wasn't the FA Cup final a great game? (H)

hey, wasn't just missing out on a Euro spot to a team full of old cranks a great experience? (H)

Enjoy the Glazer takeover did ya? :p

Game, set and match :ewan:

Hey, isn't it great carrying more debt than CITY? (H)

haha...great minds, Aaron...great minds.

Snap!

In truth, Park would be foolish to go to Chelsea. By signing for United, Park would probably get to play around 75% of the games should he impresses. I think he is likely to challenge Giggs for the left-spot. I think too that if Park was signed for tapping the Asian market, Fergie will have no choice but to play him or else no one in Asia will buy his shirts. :jambo:

In truth, Park would be foolish to go to Chelsea.

there are still a lot of foolish player *cough* parker *cough*

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=284580&CPID=8&CLID=&lid=3&title=Benitez+reveals+Fergie+note&channel=Premiership

"Ferguson sent me a very strange one with a tactical evaluation - on his personalised paper - of Liverpool's performance in the whole competition, and particularly the final."

is it fergie too free? :confused:

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=284578&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=Korean+on+English+mission&channel=Premiership

another south korean wish to come epl

Manchester Citys New ground.http://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/content/images/2004/11/18/gallery_12_300x300.jpg

(H)

Why he become a legend?
He is still playing !!!!!
he is a legend because of the commitment to the club on the pitch and outside the pitch.
he set's the moral standard for the other player's.
U just got to admire him,trying to come back from an injury that most players would have desided to put the boots in the basement!
He have made it clear that there is only one club for him and when there is no use for him at OT he will retire!
He is the playing Legend,and sure will join Cantona and the other legend's when he retire!

i hope solskjaer able to recapture his form once he back from injury. to capture excellent form after out for so long time is not an easy thing. i hope he start by playing for reserve team then switch to first team after he fully fit

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=284600&CPID=8&CLID=&lid=2&title=Glazer+owns+97.3%+of+United&channel=Football_Home

Anybody else mentioned this :kader:

Damn yank geeza! :

Malcolm Glazer now owns 97.3 percent of Manchester United after the deadline for minority shareholders to sell their stake to the American tycoon expired on Monday.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers owner has allowed the minority of shareholders, who have retained their interest in the Old Trafford club, until June 27 to accept his offer of 300p per share.

It is understood that Glazer wanted at least 97.5 percent control of the club by Monday so he was just short of this target.

Despite angry protests from supporters, and fears of sharp increases in ticket prices, the Florida-based businessman has managed to gain control of one of the biggest football clubs in the world.

He has plans to exploit the club's brand name in both Asia and America and increase commercial revenue with a number of projects.

Glazer has passed the threshold for complete ownership of the club but reportedly needs to exceed 97.6 percent stake to earn the right to compulsorily buy out those holding onto their shares. This would increase his expenditure in buying United but would rid himself of any dissenting shareholders.

Shareholders United are building a 'Phoenix Fund' with a view to buying the club off Glazer if, as they anticipate, his business plan comes unstuck in spectacular fashion.

Ole can replace Beckham on the right side

i hope solskjaer able to recapture his form once he back from injury. to capture excellent form after out for so long time is not an easy thing. i hope he start by playing for reserve team then switch to first team after he fully fit
He said in an interwiew that he will return when he feel's that he has the form that it takes to be in the startingline up,it could take a month,3 month's or maybe 6 month's,but he was sure he would get back.
He will proberly join the reserves first,i think that shoud be the case with all player's who has been out with injury,not rush them back in the 1th team before they gain match fitness.that's what they did with Ruud and he was a long way from match fit when he returned,he shoud have played 2-3 games with the reserve team first,but then again he is starting to get in good old form now!
(H)

Park - I think he is likely to challenge Giggs for the left-spot.

What about Richardson...

btw I think aswell that the Chelski-Park is an absolute no go-er.
and Chelski/Real/Barca anyway get linked with every human being that can kick a ball...

Ole can replace Beckham on the right side
Hmmm...
We got Ronaldo u know,but he can play right winger that's true.maybe not as good as Becks "was".
as a alternative he could play winger (both sides),st and withdrawn striker behinde Ruud
he can perform from several position's so i dont think he will be "unused"
(H)

What about Richardson...

btw I think aswell that the Chelski-Park is an absolute no go-er.
and Chelski/Real/Barca anyway get linked with every human being that can kick a ball...
Richardson is going to be interesting to see,if he can perform as he did at the end of the season at WB over time,i think he has a bright future at OT.
he still have to learn,but he is a talented player.

OLE also bought shares to support Shareunited right???

yeah... that really shows his commitment to the club. What a guy.

I miss Ole so much
Cant wait to see him on the pitch again

One of the papers are linking saha with everton (Y) I'm willing to believe the story, whatever the paper (H)

One of the papers are linking saha with everton (Y) I'm willing to believe the story, whatever the paper (H)

But its neil custis and the Sun, I hope its true though. £6m would be a nice fee to get from considering his wrecked-injury records with us.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2005270183,00.html

Chelsea try to steal Park before ManUtd
Hope that ManUtd wont lose this time

But its neil custis and the Sun, I hope its true though. £6m would be a nice fee to get from considering his wrecked-injury records with us.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2005270183,00.html

ah...i didn't no which paper is was...ah well, theres always hope (H)

One less striker means Rossi is getting closer to his chance. If Fergie plays his cards right, Manchester United will have the 3Rs in the future, Ronaldo, Rooney and Rossi. Ruud would have retired by then.

ah...i didn't no which paper is was...ah well, theres always hope (H)

I hope so too.

Roy Carroll in talk's with West Ham!
I wish him the best!
(H)

Did some heard about mikel, i think he will join us! or not?

Essien interested in Premiership (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4091676.stm)

Michael Essien's agent has admitted that the player is keen on a switch to the Premiership but fears Lyon's asking price could scupper any potential move.

The French champions have so far resisted Chelsea's bid to sign the 22-year-old Ghana midfielder.

Fabien Piveteau told BBC Sport: "The problem is that Chelsea want him but, for now, the bid is too small for Lyon.

"If possible he would prefer to come to England. He speaks English, he likes English football."

Essien has so far declined to sign a contract extension but Lyon are determined not to let him go without a fight.

"Lyon want big, big money for the player," added Piveteau. "The problem for Chelsea is when they arrive for discussions with another club the price is doubled."


Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United and Arsenal would interest him
Essien's agent Fabien Piveteau

Piveteau said Essien would consider a move elsewhere in England but feels the transfer fee is likely to put most clubs off.

He added: "Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United and Arsenal would interest him.

"I know the Arsenal coach likes him very well but, for now, there have been no discussions.

"At Manchester I had discussions with their coach two months ago but after that there has been no news.

"For Liverpool there could be a solution because Lyon want Milan Baros and it may be possible to organise for Baros to go to Lyon and Michael to go to Liverpool - and the same for Chelsea with Didier Drogba."

Lyon dismissed a proposed swap deal involving Drogba on Monday.

Their president Jean-Michel Aulas told sports newspaper l'Equipe: "If chief executive Peter Kenyon proposes a deal because Chelsea have signed Eto'o or Adriano, I would listen.

"But I don't believe in Father Christmas."

Last season Ghana international Essien was voted Player of the Year by France's National Union of Professional Footballers (UNFP).

Meanwhile, Aulas has also confirmed their interested in Bordeaux's Marouane Chamakh and Baros.

"We have already made one, big offer for Chamakh. We want him, he's our priority," he said.

"We're waiting to hear from Baros and I plan to go to Prague to see him this week with coach Gerard Houllier."

Did some heard about mikel, i think he will join us! or not?

Please change your sig, it's probably the UGLIEST thing i've ever seen./ No-one should naturally have such a thin waist

we can almost forget essien now :ewan:

Did some heard about mikel, i think he will join us! or not?
no,there has not been new's about Mikel for a while now!
I dont really see what's the big deal with Mikel,i have seen him play for Lyn,and he aint that good,he sure has talent but he aint ready for the EPL!
I am sure there is kid's out there with more talent,who are more reliable than this dude.hell, he can't make up his mind about anything!
(H)

Btw:Henning Berg is the coach for Lyn (but u proberly new that)

Chelsea try to steal Park before ManUtd
Hope that ManUtd wont lose this time
Chelsea dont really need Park in the team...they just dont want United to get him... :nape:

PS. We should try something new...Scholes, Keane and Giggs will have to play less and less in order to give more 1st team chance to the youngsters

-----------Van Der Sar-------------
O'Shea------Rio----Brown-----Heinze
Ronaldo--Park---Rooney--Richardson
------------Ruud----Smith---------- :rolleyes:

Chelsea dont really need Park in the team...they just dont want United to get him... :nape:

That's just papertalk - I'm sure of that (Duff, Roben, JCole; Gudjohnsen) who needs Park then ?

PS. We should try something new...Scholes, Keane and Giggs will have to play less and less in order to give more 1st team chance to the youngsters

-----------Van Der Sar-------------
O'Shea------Rio----Brown-----Heinze
Ronaldo--Park---Rooney--Richardson
------------Ruud----Smith---------- :rolleyes:

Insert Fletcher for Park and Gaz for O'Shea and I agree with you ;)

none the less a good line up

Agent: C.Ronaldo wants to stay

http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=184683&itype=466&icategoryid=120

well i agree, he's on about 10,000 a week, he deserves more, compared to what some players get.

well i agree, he's on about 10,000 a week, he deserves more, compared to what some players get.

He deserves to be the highest paid Man United player as he has the most talent and has the most potential with no Ronaldo that team would be not even worth watching and the goals would be harder to come by seeing he creates so much open space for others. :jambo:

I wished he went to LaLiga but I guess if he stays indeed they have to pay him double what Rooney or any make as he is the biggest star they have and best income for their marketing income, as in Asia or any place only Beckham was near him, he is so popular and that genarates millions on image rights and shirt sales for Manchester, so I cant see why the new owner hasent rushed to give in what demmands CR7 wants.

In the field he is probally the EPL best draw, you get your money's worth seeing him play only Ronaldinho and Deco bring that excitement to the pitch. Having Giggs and a happy Ronaldo is always good for your club and their strikers.

I am sure this is a win win situation for both sides, how much is he going to get now?

Everton say they have no interest in Saha.

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/sport/football/manchesterunited/s/162/162352_fergie_praises_pool_cup_win.html

Park undecided on future

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/football/articles/19299065?source=PA

That's just papertalk - I'm sure of that (Duff, Roben, JCole; Gudjohnsen) who needs Park then ?



Insert Fletcher for Park and Gaz for O'Shea and I agree with you ;)

none the less a good line up
Of coz we are not using this lineup in the coming season...Giggs, Scholes and Keane will still get some games, but i said some games. Fergie should play the young players more, otherwise when the old players retire, the young ones cant carry on. There is a Chinese saying describing this kind of situation, "green/blue doesnt meet yellow" something like that and i use the dictionary software and got the translation "temporary shortage" :p

I think Fletcher plays well in the middle but he is more a AMC or MC than a DMC so we have to put a DMC beside him. Smith deserves to be in the starting 11 and Rooney can play in the Scholes position. I think maybe we can even try putting Richardson in the middle together with Keane and still Giggs and Ronaldo on the 2 sides. We have many young and decent players, if we try putting them into our first team, there may be something incredible! :rolleyes:

he is a legend because of the commitment to the club on the pitch and outside the pitch.
he set's the moral standard for the other player's.
U just got to admire him,trying to come back from an injury that most players would have desided to put the boots in the basement!
He have made it clear that there is only one club for him and when there is no use for him at OT he will retire!
He is the playing Legend,and sure will join Cantona and the other legend's when he retire!
really well said. He is our playing Legend. Cant wait to see him back on the pitch..
Will he be able to play some minutes in Hong Kong in the Asia Tour on 23/7? I can say Every United fan misses him and loves to see him playing again.

I think we should sing the song in the Hong Kong Stadium on 23/7...but i dont think many of the fans here in Hong Kong know this song and will sing chants when United come :(
(8) Oh my Solskjaer, My Ole Solskjaer (8)
(8) You make us happy, when skies are gray (8)
(8) Coz when its pouring, u just keep scoring (8)
(8) Please dont take my solskjaer away (8)

Gunners star arrested
http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=284617&CPID=8&CLID=&lid=2&title=Gunners+star+arrested&channel=Football_Home

Van Pussy raped someone or got raped? :rolleyes:

-----------Van Der Sar-------------
O'Shea------Rio----Brown-----Heinze
Ronaldo--Park---Rooney--Richardson
------------Ruud----Smith----------

there is no DMC :o and
o'shea --->
gaz <--- ;)

@Gilista: i think your sig is too big :confused:

Gunners star arrested
http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=284617&CPID=8&CLID=&lid=2&title=Gunners+star+arrested&channel=Football_Home

Van Pussy raped someone or got raped? :rolleyes:

you're late man. there's already a thread out there ;) btw who cares (H)

Man Utd supporters name new club

The new football club set up by disillusioned Manchester United fans will be known as Football Club United of Manchester.
More than 2,600 supporters fighting Malcolm Glazer's takeover at Old Trafford have pledged money and help to the new club, and voted on its name.

The steering group behind FC United of Manchester will apply to join the North West Counties League on Wednesday.

If successful, the new club will take part in the 2005/06 season.

A spokesman for FC United said: "The venture is quickly gathering momentum as will become more and more evident to our supporters.

"We will be announcing further developments in the coming days and are optimistic of a successful outcome."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4092870.stm

there is no DMC :o and
o'shea --->
gaz <--- ;)

@Gilista: i think your sig is too big :confused:
I think if Park joins United, he will play in that position as we have enough wingers already. With his high work rate, he can fit in the DMC position i guess. or maybe Park plays with Fletcher in the middle is a good idea. :rolleyes:

and yes, Gary is still our best right back right now, but my lineup was something new and i decided to use young O'Shea. :p

By the way, since he has reached 97.3% of the shareholdings, won' t Shareholders United' s campaign of the Phoenix Fund now be in serious jeapordy. I mean they are investing for the future....how long will that take to get here? I can' t see Glazer leaving for atleast a decade. I wonder if it is really worth fighting since these fans are in the monirity. I can't imagine that they would simply stop watching "THEIR" club play games altogether:nape: Perhaps the decision to sell their shares was, to put it bluntly, not the right one.

By the way, I can't see this FC United thing carrying on for too long.....the disgruntled fans will eventually go back to cheering for ManU. :jambo:

Man Utd supporters name new club

The new football club set up by disillusioned Manchester United fans will be known as Football Club United of Manchester.
More than 2,600 supporters fighting Malcolm Glazer's takeover at Old Trafford have pledged money and help to the new club, and voted on its name.

The steering group behind FC United of Manchester will apply to join the North West Counties League on Wednesday.

If successful, the new club will take part in the 2005/06 season.

A spokesman for FC United said: "The venture is quickly gathering momentum as will become more and more evident to our supporters.

"We will be announcing further developments in the coming days and are optimistic of a successful outcome."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4092870.stm
So who will be the "United" players?

i'd, personally say:

-----------Van Der Sar-------------
Brown*------Rio----Silvestre-----Heinze
Ronaldo--Fletcher--Richardson-----Park
------------Rooney----Smith----------


Although Gaz Nev should still always be first choice - he's got AT LEAST 2-3 top class seasons left in him.

i'd, personally say:

-----------Van Der Sar-------------
Brown*------Rio----Silvestre-----Heinze
Ronaldo--Fletcher--Richardson-----Park
------------Rooney----Smith----------


Although Gaz Nev should still always be first choice - he's got AT LEAST 2-3 top class seasons left in him.
This is also a nice lineup...but Fletcher + Richardson in the middle ...maybe a little lack in defence :rolleyes: we need someone who is hard-working in the midfield coz Keane is really getting old and his work rate is lowered. Park may be a good choice in the middle coz he is hard working and in the midfield we dont need many tackles coz DMC doesnt always tackle. all we need to do is to close down the opponent's midfielders. Richardson plays well in the middle at West Brom so its a good position for him...however i doubt the chance of Fergie to put him in this position this season

I agree Houston, with Silvestre in defence we should surely have a DMC, lol. I say let's forget about Park and get a DMC instead. Let's see how Giggsy and Richardson would do on the left, although I really don't believe that Richardson will get too much time in the starting eleven.

i'd, personally say:

-----------Van Der Sar-------------
Brown*------Rio----Silvestre-----Heinze
Ronaldo--Fletcher--Richardson-----Park
------------Rooney----Smith----------


Although Gaz Nev should still always be first choice - he's got AT LEAST 2-3 top class seasons left in him.

A strong DM is needed, your midfield is too concentrated on attacking

Smith instead of Van Nistelrooy??You can see his goal against Finland last week, it is the time Van Nistelrooy start to regain his full power!!!

I agree Houston, with Silvestre in defence we should surely have a DMC, lol. I say let's forget about Park and get a DMC instead. Let's see how Giggsy and Richardson would do on the left, although I really don't believe that Richardson will get too much time in the starting eleven.
I agree about "with Silvestre in defence we should surely have a DMC" lol
We should either get Essien or Mascherano and maybe even a central defender to play alongside Rio. Giggs is still good now but i hope Richardson to have more chances.

A strong DM is needed, your midfield is too concentrated on attacking

Smith instead of Van Nistelrooy??You can see his goal against Finland last week, it is the time Van Nistelrooy start to regain his full power!!!
that goal is cool :rockman: We really want to see the real Ruud back next season! and then we will have 2 "Van The Man"s :)

Fletcher is still young and i reckon he could become a very decent DM, he has played as a defensive midfielder occassionally for United already in a few matches and looked quite comfortable to me, he's also a verr hard worker.

i chose Smith over Ruud for that tactic because i think with 2 strikers, Smith and Rooney are a better pair, but if we play Rooney just behind the main striker, then Ruud's for the job.

Although i'd still prefer a 4-3-3 formation.

I agree about "with Silvestre in defence we should surely have a DMC" lol
We should either get Essien or Mascherano and maybe even a central defender to play alongside Rio. Giggs is still good now but i hope Richardson to have more chances. Hasn't Mascherano just recently moved to Corinthians?

Silvestre is perfectly fine as a DC, he just had ONE off season.

Mascherano just moved to Corinthians, yes.

Shame we didn't go for Scott Parker :(

This is from unitedrant.co.uk. The season in numbers...

United's Premiership rank for attempts on goal and crosses into the box was 1
Louis Saha scored 2 goals this season
2: The number of times United have been KO'd by **** goalkeeping in Europe
recently
3: The matches in which Arsenal were defeated by United this season
Ruud scored 3 goals from open play in the Premiership
John O'Shea also scored 3 goals this season
3: The number of times that Chelsea beat United
10: The amount of games that United were defeated in, in all competitions
United's Shots to Goals ratio was 10% (one of the worst in the league)
2004-5 was Premiership Season number 13
United have failed to score in 14 games
18 points separated Chelski and United
Liverpool lost 19 times in all Competitions this season and still manage to win the
UCL
United hit the woodwork 21 times this season in all games
24: The number of goals scored by United's strikers in the league
United's midfielders scored 25 in the league ... as did ex-United misfit Diego Forlan
in Spain
26: The number of goals conceded all season in the league
Arsenal scored 29 more goals than United in the league
30:The number of clean sheets kept by United in all competitions this season
37 points separate league winners Chelsea and Liverpool
Wayne Rooney's Shots-to-Goals ratio was 48%
58 goals was United's worst league tally in 17 years
58 was also the number of points Bolton Wanderers and Liverpool finished on, and
the number of shots in the league by Alan Smith and Paul Scholes
Cristiano Ronaldo attempted 98 shots in the League
100: The number of goals United scored in all competitions this season
Ronaldo and Giggs supplied United's forwards with 528 crosses this season
United had 537 shots on goal in the Premiership
Just 35,064 bothered turning up for European Champions Liverpool's Premiership
match against Portsmouth
67,803 was United's lowest attendance this season
United's home match against Portsmouth attracted 67,989

Looking at those stats, and other bits over the season, it would seem our only problem was that we no longer seem to care about building up attacks. Fergie seems to be content on letting Ronaldo and Rooney dribble and shoot whenever they want. We are missing the good old days of quick short passes in and around the box that would split defences into shreds.

My favored lineup:

------------Van der Sar--------------
G.Nev------Rio----Silvestre-----Heinze
Ronaldo---Scholes---Park---Richardson
-|-------------Rooney------------|--
-V--------------Ruud-------------V--

Bench:
Howard
Brown
O'Shea
Scholes
Smith

With Richardson and Giggs splitting time, at least if Richardson shows promise at OT. Scholes and Keane could probably split time, as Park has the stamina to compensate for Keane. Next season when Keane is most likely retired, Fletcher will be in a CM spot, hopefully with Park.

My favored lineup:

------------Van der Sar--------------
G.Nev------Rio----Silvestre-----Heinze
Ronaldo---Scholes---Park---Richardson
-|-------------Rooney------------|--
-V--------------Ruud-------------V--

Bench:
Howard
Brown
O'Shea
Scholes
Smith



two scholesy's, is the 1st as good as the 2nd? Cos if so somedays we could play a midfield of:

Ronaldo --Scholes -- Scholes -- Richardson (H)











:(

Meh, Fergie will never listen to anybody. He is his own man.

are we playing FM too much? never try to implement FM tactics into real world football, it is not that easy by just drag and drop the arrow everywhere and think it will works

two scholesy's, is the 1st as good as the 2nd? Cos if so somedays we could play a midfield of:

Ronaldo --Scholes -- Scholes -- Richardson (H)

...Paul's little brother... oops. I meant to have Keane on the bench, or in Scholes' spot, as they could split time.


are we playing FM too much? never try to implement FM tactics into real world football, it is not that easy by just drag and drop the arrow everywhere and think it will works
What I obviously meant is that they would be more attacking along the wings as opposed to playing in line with a straight 4 man midfield. Does it make a huge difference if I leave it out, probably not. When you've got Ronaldo and Giggs, they're obviously going to be playing on the wings. Richardson could play in the center, but with our deep lineup of center mids, plus Park if he signs, Richardson would be a bigger asset as a replacement to Giggs.

We could oso play Keane as defender

He hates it though. But he will play there if asked to.

What a team player. :rockman:

Keano Keano Keano!

I think Keano in defense could be very vulnerable as his pace is a major let down. Look at what Nedved did to Hierro in the CL semi final a few seasons ago. We dont want that appenin all the time.

Not to mention the fouls Keane may concede. He goes in pretty tough for tackles

We could oso play Keane as defender

why we keep put players out of their fav position?

What I obviously meant is that they would be more attacking along the wings as opposed to playing in line with a straight 4 man midfield. Does it make a huge difference if I leave it out, probably not. When you've got Ronaldo and Giggs, they're obviously going to be playing on the wings. Richardson could play in the center, but with our deep lineup of center mids, plus Park if he signs, Richardson would be a bigger asset as a replacement to Giggs.

i can understand what you mean in your tactic. i just try to point out that the thing works in FM is not always works in the real world. wing tactics is old and not efficient imo. we have playing way too much wing tactics by rely on ronaldo and giggs and even put rooney as left wing just to suit what we play

THe problem of Manutd is the attacking power of ManUtd
When comparing their no of goals to Chelsea and Arsenal, it show where their problem is
Park can help ManUtd "direct" attacking power, as I call C.Ronaldo an "indirect" attack because he always dribbles two or more before he pass the ball, which give time for the opponent defenders to return to their defending position, thats why his cross is not so effective!!

we have plenty of attacking power,and at times we attack better than any team!
the problem is to hit the target,we had a lot of balls going in the woodwork this season.
so the problem is the final step of the attack
(H)

Park decided to join United? (http://footballmsn.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=284835&cpid=9&CLID=&lid=2&title=Park+looking+United+bound&channel=Football_Home)

"Sources close to the player have confirmed to skysports.com that United are closing on Park and a deal could be concluded as early as Wednesday or Thursday."

Im getting tired of these "sources close to players"

Bad news about Ole (http://footballmsn.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=284833&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=Ole+comeback+delayed&channel=Premiership)

:(

Glazer to de-list United soon (http://sport.scotsman.com/football.cfm?id=655902005)

I hope the ****er will come out with an official statement or something, the the way he is hiding at the moment is getting annoying.

IMO Ole's news isn't bad, if he needs more time to gain full fitness then let him take it, in that way he will come back even stronger instead of rushing him back into action and risking another injury.

Park decided to join United? (http://footballmsn.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=284835&cpid=9&CLID=&lid=2&title=Park+looking+United+bound&channel=Football_Home)

"Sources close to the player have confirmed to skysports.com that United are closing on Park and a deal could be concluded as early as Wednesday or Thursday."

Im getting tired of these "sources close to players"

Bad news about Ole (http://footballmsn.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=284833&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=Ole+comeback+delayed&channel=Premiership)

:(

Glazer to de-list United soon (http://sport.scotsman.com/football.cfm?id=655902005)

I hope the ****er will come out with an official statement or something, the the way he is hiding at the moment is getting annoying.
The new's about Ole is not surprising me,he told it him self to norwegian tv that he did not know when he come back,it could be from 1-6 months!
he is just being sure he will be fit before he come back!
(H)

i rather see ole back with fully fit condition than we rush him back and make him injured once again. we will always looking forward for his come back :)

soccernet said ronaldo ready to sign 5 years deal :D good news

Ronaldo Set For Bumper New Deal

Manchester United winger Cristiano Ronaldo looks certain to continue his career at Old Trafford.

Europe's big guns are casting envious eyes over the 20-year-old Portugal international after a string of superb displays in the Barclays Premiership and for his country.

However it is understood that he has agreed a lucrative new five-year deal at United and is due to sign when he returns from holiday.

Should he, as expected, put pen to paper it would be a massive boost for manager Sir Alex Ferguson in his bid to regain the high ground from Chelsea.

Ferguson believes Ronaldo and England striker Wayne Rooney are two of the most exciting young players in the world.

Ronaldo has scored 15 goals in 90 games for United after moving to England from Sporting Lisbon for £12.5million as an 18-year-old.

He continued his progress last season despite the club failing to win a trophy, lighting up a number of games with his dribbling skills and pace.

Ronaldo began his career at Nacional before moving to Sporting and he was 17 when he made his debut for one of Portugal's top clubs.

And after watching him cap a dazzling display with a goal during United's pre-season friendly with Sporting, Ferguson decided to make his move.

"After the game the lads in the dressing room talked about Ronaldo constantly," said Ferguson at the time.

"And on the plane back from the game they urged me to sign him - that's how highly they rated him."

Ronaldo signed an initial five-year deal on the lowest wage band and his value now to United is amplified at national level.

He has scored seven goals for Portugal in their World Cup qualifying matches and is second in Europe's goalscoring ranks, ahead of Andriy Shevchenko and Ruud van Nistelrooy.

Not to mention the fouls Keane may concede. He goes in pretty tough for tackles


http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38193000/jpg/_38193114_keaneshouts300.jpg

:rockman: :rockman: :rockman: : :taz: :Bow:

Reports on ITV's telext are suggesting we had an enquiry for gattuso turned down last week :(

Reports on ITV's telext are suggesting we had an enquiry for gattuso turned down last week :(

too bad :( but who knows...

why didn't United go after Scott Parker ? Just read Newcastle paid "only" 6.5M £ for him

He has scored seven goals for Portugal in their World Cup qualifying matches and is second in Europe's goalscoring ranks, ahead of Andriy Shevchenko and Ruud van Nistelrooy.

You got to be kidding. :| He scored seven goals in lesser matches for his country than his club. :chew: I'd expect him to go into double figures next season.

C.Ronaldo is the kind of player that perform excellent in national team

But when he playing for ManUtd, he seem not suit into the team well

Chelsea would never sell Parker to their closest rivals, so I think it is a bit nonsense that the media is claiming why Man U didn't go after him.

i can understand what you mean in your tactic. i just try to point out that the thing works in FM is not always works in the real world. wing tactics is old and not efficient imo. we have playing way too much wing tactics by rely on ronaldo and giggs and even put rooney as left wing just to suit what we play
Yeah, I see what you mean. I would prefer a more direct attack myself, but that does not necesarily mean that we need to do away with our wing tactics entirely. We have a team that is good enough to continuosly switch up our play, and keep defenders guessing. With Ronaldo/Giggs/Richardson making the runs down the flanks, we can effectively create more space for our forwards and whoever else will be involved in our direct attack.

edit: I hope that Park article is true, as well as the Ronaldo one. :rockman: :rockman:

C.Ronaldo is the kind of player that perform excellent in national team

But when he playing for ManUtd, he seem not suit into the team well

right... :|

that's why he's been one of our star players for the past two years... because he doesn't suit the team well... :|

That's just because Scolari gives him the freedom to join the striker.

In Man Utd he's always close to the wing.

I really think he's wasted in the wing, he'd be much more useful in a position like Ronaldinho's in Barça

I agree. I already said that in this thread. Ronaldo performes better when he has tactical freedom. When Ferguson realizes that, Ronaldo will increase his goal tally. On another note, it´s good to see that (according to the rumours in Portugal) Ronaldo wants to stay in Manchester. I think it´s the best choice for his career. Ronaldo has been sublime in our Nt and we can also partially thank Manchester United for that. I hope he stays for many years (this if he is payed according to his performances on the pitch, i think he is already an influencial player on the squad).

dont know why but fergie seems to waste our players.
what i mean to say is instead of playing rooney right behind in the hole and ronaldo upclose to the striker,he plays em in rather less effective positions.

and by the way what ever happened to richardson signing a new contract for first team action? :boohoo:

we can't just play any player where they want to play... that would be even worse :|

these guys are young, they'll adapt to these positions that Fergie is playing them in and get better and better.

Versatility is a good thing (Y)

I really think he's wasted in the wing, he'd be much more useful in a position like Ronaldinho's in Barça

In English football, attacks are usually effectively built through the wings or from the edges using quick passes. If you give him that sort of freedom in the middle to dribble to kindom come he'll be clobbered.

very true.

I understand that Richardson should be given a chance..but the way you people are talking about him, he's some kind of god...

Well the rumours about all the wingers and Park coming CAN'T come out of blue, I think it's clear that Fergie is looking for a Giggs replacement and he isn't trusting Richardson enough to give him a place in the starting line-up the next season.

I agree with what Robbo sayed on MUTV: "Richardson is a quality player, but he havent got enough quality for United, yet" Don't get me wrong, I think Richardson is a great player and would be a good backup for the left winger next year but for his own sake, he should be loaned out for another season.

Yup, he's good but...he ain't that good. A first team regular for United. Nah...not yet.

Who knows? He might put in super performances in every match and suddenly become a world superstar.

Unlikely to happen though.

at least there is a hope (H)

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=335549&cc=3436

we interested on emre?

about richardson
i don't see the sense in loaning out players
i think that an average of 1out of 5 to 8 players that are loaned out at youth end up being starters for the team that initially owned them..
because in general teams are looking for the quick-fix rather than spending a year or two on a prospect and making him one of the best.

I think that keeping the player in the, in this case, general Manchester United Environment
may be better than a second-rate first-team environment.
espescially seeing as he still might be able to fight for a first-team spot.

and do you mancs (no offense) think that guiseppe rossi will also be loaned out also

Probably Fergie will blood him bit by bit.

The dutch media have announced that Ronaldo has signed a new contract which will see him being one of the high earners and with this Man U hopes to prevent clubs such as Real Madrid etc bidding him away.

owners??? I think you mean earners.

Yeah..... sorry for the confusion

Gill has confirmed Ronaldo will sign by the end of June. :) :lui:

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=285042&CPID=8&CLID=&lid=2&title=Ronaldo+nears+new+deal&channel=Football_Home

Gabby :rockman: Take note rio :jap: (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=285073&cpid=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=Heinze+content+at+United&channel=Premiership)

Lol and he is not even a top earner at United. :jambo:

Gabby :rockman: Take note rio :jap: (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=285073&cpid=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=Heinze+content+at+United&channel=Premiership)

Class:rockman: (C)

is it heinze the player of the season?

Details about our transfer budget??? (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2005/06/16/sfnbo16.xml&sSheet=/sport/2005/06/16/ixfooty.html)

(:/)

United And Chelsea Bid For Eto'o (http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=184985&itype=466&icategoryid=365)

hopefully after Saha goes then we can get him with that little bit more money. Chelsea will probably get him though :(

"He is not for sale, not for all the money in the world. He is a Barca player and will give many years of joy to the club." = "Only Chelsea can afford him."

:(

but he's refusing to sign a new contract unless they play him what he wants and Barca aren't willing to pay that, so i can see him possibly leaving.

From what seems to be going on, Eto'o is a bit of a crybaby.

But anyways maybe we can do a money+player (saha) deal with Barca for Eto'o. Good buy most definately.

Yeah but it would be good for United only. We would still have to pay a ****loads of money and we dont have that. I think he will end up in Chelsea anyway.

His career wil go downhill then.

From what seems to be going on, Eto'o is a bit of a crybaby.

Keano and Fergie will knock him back in his place :p

Park tell PSV he wants to join United.

http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=185327&itype=466&icategoryid=120

sounds good. he's the kind of player i think we need - extremely hard working and doesn't stop running. This kind of player is very important for the situation we are in at the moment, we need these players to win us those odd league matches against lower opposition where we dropped points last season.

Parking to Red Park

sounds good. he's the kind of player i think we need - extremely hard working and doesn't stop running. This kind of player is very important for the situation we are in at the moment, we need these players to win us those odd league matches against lower opposition where we dropped points last season.

I hope all that hard work counts for something. His efforts will be in vain if he run all 90 minutes in matches but fail to get anything.

well i've heard that he is also quite good with the ball and can actually get places :p

I hope all that hard work counts for something. His efforts will be in vain if he run all 90 minutes in matches but fail to get anything.

Which is exactly what happened against Milan, hence my apprehension when I heard rumours that we were gonna sign him.

United And Chelsea Bid For Eto'o (http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=184985&itype=466&icategoryid=365)

hopefully after Saha goes then we can get him with that little bit more money. Chelsea will probably get him though :(

he will go to chelsea

Ricardo join osasuna (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=285136&cpid=23&CLID=1&lid=&title=Ricardo+joins+Osasuna&channel=Premiership)

good for him though

Chelsea will just easily up the bid past anything we can afford to get eto'o , which is unfortunate but what can you do, it's not like we didn't do that to teams in the past :hump:

Ricardo join osasuna (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=285136&cpid=23&CLID=1&lid=&title=Ricardo+joins+Osasuna&channel=Premiership)

good for him though



Finally he can play...Not sitting on the bench

heh. i know this is FM, but it's so true (Y)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/Dazmania/fm-buyingpark.jpg



i know that it's probably one of the reasons for the specific signing of Park, but that wouldn't be the only reason we bought him, he's obviously got some talent.

heh. i know this is FM, but it's so true (Y)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/Dazmania/fm-buyingpark.jpg



i know that it's probably one of the reasons for the specific signing of Park, but that wouldn't be the only reason we bought him, he's obviously got some talent.

U mean Footman Manager 2005? If so,I gotta try the game.

heh. i know this is FM, but it's so true (Y)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/Dazmania/fm-buyingpark.jpg



i know that it's probably one of the reasons for the specific signing of Park, but that wouldn't be the only reason we bought him, he's obviously got some talent.

Haha (H)

Ill buy him later too. Got to start a new game though, since he is 32 in my game :(

I hope that Park wont turn out to be another Kleberson...or Veron...or Djemba...

Dutch players seem to do ok in the premiership.

Dutch players seem to do ok in the premiership.


but he's not Dutch :confused:

Haha (H)

Ill buy him later too. Got to start a new game though, since he is 32 in my game :(

I hope that Park wont turn out to be another Kleberson...or Veron...or Djemba...


yea.Veron is sh*t,he waste United money!!!! With that money,we can buy loads of players

heh. i know this is FM, but it's so true (Y)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/Dazmania/fm-buyingpark.jpg



i know that it's probably one of the reasons for the specific signing of Park, but that wouldn't be the only reason we bought him, he's obviously got some talent.

TBH, I saw quite a few Eredivisie PSV games on C5 last season and I didn't see anything special. I just don't think it would be a wise move, as I think he'll struggle over here...he was easily outmuscled against Milan so imagine him against Bolton :fool:, plus he isn't exactly gonna be cheap (I seem to remember a €9m fee being mentioned), so you'll be taking a risk. *cough* Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba (so good they named him twice...NOT)

Also, where's he gonna play? He's not even gonna get a look in unless there's an injury and anyway I think there are other areas you need to strengthen first, mainly someone to stand in for Keane and Park isn't that someone.

It just seems to me that you guys are desperate for a summer signing to (undertandably) take your mind off recent events i.e. the Glazer takeover.

yea.Veron is sh*t,he waste United money!!!! With that money,we can buy loads of players

i don't really think Veron was THAT bad, i think it was a mistake selling him when Beckham went aswell because his long balls were in my opinion on par with Beckhams.

He added another dimension to United which i personally liked and didn't really want him to leave.

He didn't get on with SAF, that was the major problem.

but he's not Dutch

I meant dutch leage players. Park will be ok for United. We need a real defensive mid, ball holder, like Makele/Gilberto type. Ferguson is forced to play some messed up tactics just to accomodate Keane's lack of pace. Instead of chasing after Eto's and Villas and what nots, we should've secured Essien or Diarra by now, or whoever else is good in that position.

He added another dimension to United which i personally liked and didn't really want him to leave.

He didn't get on with SAF, that was the major problem.

Ya man for sure, I remember towards the end of the 2003/04 Season. Seriously, Veron played some good football for United. It was when he came back from injury against Madrid and hence on, he was astounding. Then he was sold, just like that, right when he started settling in.

That was when United found themselves lacking creative options.

exactly, that's why i think the sale of Veron was a mistake, but selling Beckham wasn't.

Ya man for sure, I remember towards the end of the 2003/04 Season. Seriously, Veron played some good football for United. It was when he came back from injury against Madrid and hence on, he was astounding. Then he was sold, just like that, right when he started settling in.

That was when United found themselves lacking creative options.

He left before the 2003/2004 season started.

i heard u won the fair play league last year.

CONGRATS

Chelsea will just easily up the bid past anything we can afford to get eto'o , which is unfortunate but what can you do, it's not like we didn't do that to teams in the past :hump:
Im not trying to sound like a bitch but this is a moment of clarity I find rare among fans of the English game. I am overawed at your good sense, man :jap:

About Eto'o, among the all chelsea boards I inhabit, most people do not want him there at all (definately not at the absurd sun-reported cost of 24m + crespo + gallas :| ) and that SoB did way too much sh*ttalking and insulting for him to ever be brought to Chelsea, in my opinion.

I wont get into your debate about Veron, but I think Park could pay alot of dividends for you lot. You have no shortage of creative players, but I think his versatility could be critical. If im not mistaken, he can play in the middle of park and on the wings which would be great, if you could establish a rotational system with he, Ronaldo, Giggs on the wings, Scholes, Rooney in the CAM role, etc. If, as Vazza mentioned, the fee is in the range of 10 million euro, combined with the sale of Saha, which I think should net you back some of that, to say nothing of the revenue issue

The issue of his adaptation, is, in my mind a little bit overblown, because if he has adjusted ok to life in Holland, he should be ok in England. He may not be the Keane replacement your looking for, but if Essien doesnt move this summer, I have a feeling you'll get him next summer, despite Glazer. Barring that though, does Fletcher not play in that CDM role sometimes? Could he be the answer given enough time?