Manchester United Thread [2005/2006] [Archive] - Page 9

Fernandez

23-07-2005, 11:18:AM

The woman looks like a conwoman.

Asia Tour Begins With A Win

Pre-Season Friendly
Hong Kong 0
Manchester United 2
Hong Kong National Stadium

Young strikers Giuseppe Rossi and Dong Fangzhou scored second-half goals to get United's Asia Tour off to a winning start.

After a hatful of first-half chances had been squandered the young duo ended the resistance of the hard-working hosts with goals in the final 20 minutes.

Sir Alex Ferguson again fielded two totally different sides in each half, and the first 45 minutes were utterly frustrating as the Reds were foiled time and again by Hong Kong keeper Fan.

Ruud van Nistelrooy endured a personal nightmare as he was consistently thwarted by the home No 1. The Dutch striker also contrived to send two presentable chances over the crossbar.

Ji-sung Park put in a steady display but was unable to add the gloss of a goal, again because of Fan's heroics.

Louis Saha saw a header flash wide of the post and second-half captain Ryan Giggs was also foiled as United's pressure grew, but the deadlock was finally broken after 68 minutes.

When the hosts failed to properly clear Giggs' corner, the Welshman delivered an inch-perfect cross into the area which Giuseppe Rossi tapped over the line from four yards.

It was the Italian-born striker's second goal in two friendlies following his strike at Peterborough earlier this week.

The icing on the cake was provided by Dong Fangzhou, who was making his United debut after 18 months on loan at Royal Antwerp.

The Chinese striker capped an impressive, energetic display by racing clear of the defence after a poor clearance and clipping calmly over Fan into the far corner.

United team (first-half): Van der Sar, P Neville, Pique, Ferdinand, Fletcher, Park, Jones, Richardson, Scholes (c), Van Nistelrooy, Rooney.

United team (second-half): Howard, Bardsley, G Neville, Silvestre, O'Shea, Kleberson, Smith, Giggs (c), Fangzhou, Rossi, Saha.

Report by Steve Bartram

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Looks like Ferdinand is removed from captaincy duties. Serves his ass right.

x4dixont

23-07-2005, 11:52:AM

smith played very well AGAIN

AlienSeafood

23-07-2005, 12:36:PM

fernandez, she is not a conman/woman....we just called her company and they said theyll return our cash plus some freebies...but fackin hell man, this was my only chance to see united live but missed it....guess ill have to earn more money so that i can go to see a better match next time...a derby match that is....hehehehe

just saw the match on the tv....park is really a great signing plus smith really fits well in his "new position" :lui:

Fernandez

23-07-2005, 12:46:PM

I meant her face. Her smile looks like the one of a conwoman. As for Smith, I heard he had a great game but he won't be at the WC by playing in midfield. As for Park, I heard mixed reviews. Some said he was poo while others said he was blinding. I do know that Dong had a good debut. Anyone has the goals? Loved the previous 12 highlights of friendlies. I bet Malcolm won't be happy that someone is selling his product.

Hang0ne

23-07-2005, 12:47:PM

can someone post some highlights

garlei

23-07-2005, 01:35:PM

I have returned from the game. Will have pics and a match report by tomorrow. Pics won't be very good though as I sat pretty far away and my digital camera has limited zooming capabilites.

The game was a slow one and United players were very relaxed. Not a lot of tackles as there seemed to be a mutual understanding from both sets of players that this is merely a friendly. United easily contained Hong Kong with their formation and did not have to do much to stop them. Hong Kong lacked the skill and pace to trouble United a bit.

Smith was simply ok as he did not do too much. He did close down and ran after a ball a couple of times as a defensive midfielder but he hardly had a super game.

These players did pretty well:

Jones: consistent performance. handled situations well with central midfielders. Distributed the ball well and kept it simple. Well done. 7/10

Rossi: Flashes of brilliance. Was good on the ball and scored the first goal with a simple tap in. Played well at left wing. 6.5/10

Dong: Scored that one goal with a commendable piece of individual effort. Use his pace to go past the 2 defenders that were close to him (they were pretty tired) and finished very cooly by steering it past and over the keeper with a simple chip. Other than that he ran a lot and obviously put in a lot of effort. 7/10

Park: Looks a lot more comfortable with the formation and seems to be communicating well. Ran the most and made many decent runs. Great engine and pace, chased down loose ball. His first touch wasn't that good sometimes though so he wasn't able to do crisp quick 1-2s with some players. Nevertheless, he did his role and I was reasonably pleased. 7/10

All other players had a rather quiet game. And as mentinoed above unfortunately Ruud was pretty disappointing and missed about 3-4 rather good chances, chances that you would bet on him to score. 5/10 performance from him.

5/10 from Kleb as well. Was very frustrated with him. Didn't contribute much in central midfield, Smith had to do the defending for him. Played square balls most of the time. Did not bring the ball up like Saha did, did not make attacking runs. He was simply "there". Rather lazy to be honest.

houston3721

23-07-2005, 02:31:PM

Hi guys. I'll be there at the Hong Kong Stadium a couple of hours later. I promise as many pics as possible. I'll be sitting behind the goals at the south end so hopefully I'll be in a nice position to take some pics.

All the best guys.

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/53270190.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DE5CC12330C0B84608B1165D9FA4D5 775002D2F87637210EE4

Wish I could have attended training.
I have... hehe :rockman:
I got about 15 or 16 autographs from them!!! My dream have came true!!! but without Scholesy's, Park's, Howard's, and Keano ,Brown, Heinze and Ronaldo didnt come. :(

http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/6869/signedposter5pf.th.jpg (http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?image=signedposter5pf.jpg)
My signed poster!!

http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/7782/signedshirt2oo.th.jpg (http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?image=signedshirt2oo.jpg)
My friend's signed training kit.

I m also just back from the game, Ruud wasted a few chances but Smith played very well in the second half with many accurate tackles. Despite not having much support from Hong Kong fans, Dong Fang-Zhuo showed his speed and calmness in the one-on-one situation.

I will post some pictures from the games later...
btw, anyone watched the game live? MUTV has boardcasted it

Andrejs

23-07-2005, 02:44:PM

houston3721

23-07-2005, 02:53:PM

Some pictures from the training yesterday. (Exclusive! :rockman: )
We sat in the first row and therefore we can get almost all their autographs after the training. There are totally 4 goals on the pitch, the originally 2 and another 2 on the sideline. Thats why u can see the goal net in my pictures.

http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/5425/1003687edited5zb.th.jpg (http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1003687edited5zb.jpg)
http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/6315/1003688edited2ff.th.jpg (http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1003688edited2ff.jpg)
http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/329/1003689edited1jw.th.jpg (http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1003689edited1jw.jpg)

You can see one of Glazer's sons (Bryan Glazer maybe) in the pictures.
And I cant really recognise some autographs in my signed poster, please tell me which on is whose if u know :p

The ones i know : Gary's on Gary, Giggs's on Giggs, Rio's on Rio, Rooney's below Quieroz's legs, Saha's in between Rooney and Phil, Fletcher's above Fletcher (there are 2 fletch's coz the first one is too light), the one next to the United logo should be Ruud's, and the one next to it is Rossi's, O'shea's in the left bottom corner just above the words "man united", the very light one next to Jonny's is Fergie's.

The ones i also got... Luke Steele's, Bardsley's, Pique's, van der Sar's, Phil's, Miller's, Richardson's.

yea i shaked hands with Gerrard Pique!!! He is so nice and smiley.

Andrejs

23-07-2005, 02:58:PM

Thanks for the pics and autographs! I think I will copy them on some random kits and posters and then sell them on eBay :)

houston3721

23-07-2005, 03:03:PM

Yeah I saw the game. It must of felt horrible for the HK players. For them it was a huge match but where were all the Hong Kong supporters? Everyone were wearing Man United kits and were cheering for United :(

Good to see Dong scoring...
yea...only a few fans wear the Hong Kong Kit. But the Hong Kong kit is a new one and Hong Kong's home colour is red. So some of the fans wear the old red home kit of Hong Kong team and u may, just may misunderstand they are United kits. But still, there are MANY United kits in the stadium with names like Cantona, Smith, Rio, Ole, Scholes, Giggs, Ruud, Veron(me), Keane, Ronaldo, Rooney, the Nevilles, etc etc.

You know, there are so many United supporters in Hong Kong but we, the United fans, still support Hong Kong team at the same time, weird right? We kept yelling "Hong Kong! ...Hong Kong!..." after United leading 2-0. And this match is the last match of our #7 striker Au Wai-Lun, so when he was substituted in the second half, he recieved an ovation from all the fans in the stadium. And he is the Man of the Match in this game.

A not very exciting game but the atmosphere is quite good. A bit disappointing to miss Keane, Heinze, Brown and Ronaldo. Pique and Smith play really well.

Daz

23-07-2005, 03:04:PM

houston3721

23-07-2005, 03:11:PM

haha good one Andrejs.

Lucky bitch houston :(

i'm hoping to go up to OT next March for my birthday with some mates, just got to wait for tickets to become available, i don't care how much it'll cost, i'm GOING to see United at OT next season!
I do think i m really lucky coz the training session pass is really difficult to get and i was really surprised when the players started to come to us...... and everybody have gone crazy yelling their names!!! They DID sign for us!!!!

For the ones who watched the match, do u think our starting keeper (no.19) Fan Chun-Yip played well? he is Hong Kong fans' favourite apart from the striker Au Wai-Lun. However, we boo him when he tried to delay a few seconds before taking the goalkicks.

jefferson goh

23-07-2005, 03:29:PM

I envy u..

I hope they come to Singapore in the next fews years

houston3721

23-07-2005, 03:38:PM

I envy u..

I hope they come to Singapore in the next fews years
Just like I envy every fan at Old Trafford...

United will go to different places in next summer i guess coz they really want to explore the markets all over the world right?

Btw, Van der Sar wears number 19 while Dong Fang-Zhuo wears number 43. Howard will still wear the number 1 shirt, hope this would prevent him from losing confidence. And Dong's name is Dong Fang Zhuo, but not Fang Zhou. just to make it clear ;)

ladylover

23-07-2005, 03:53:PM

Are there torrents available from this match, if so were can I get them?

Thanx in advance

houston3721

23-07-2005, 04:05:PM

Are there torrents available from this match, if so were can I get them?

Thanx in advance
oh sorry...i promised to upload the torrents here

here u are, i found and put 2 torrents in the zip file. The [Soccer-media.com]'s one is 359mb rmvb, while the other one MUvsHK.torrent is 638mb rmvb. But I havent downloaded either of them, so u may try which one got more seeds~

sorry that i dont know if they have English commentation captured

cheers

houston3721

23-07-2005, 04:12:PM

Cristiano Ronaldo didnt come to Hong Kong with the rest of the team because he got kinda family problem. heard that its about his father's health. Ronaldo may join the team in the rest of the games in the Asia Tour, but still tbc.

houston3721

23-07-2005, 04:31:PM

some funny parts of the game...

http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/4930/redcard0wc.jpg
The referee gave Giggs a red card and asked him to sign an autograph. :p

http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/40/fergie5bc.jpg
After the final whistel, Fergie tried to find Hong Kong's manager and shake hands with him, but he failed to find the Hong Kong manager Lai Sun-Cheung. Its not quite polite not to shake hands with the away team's manager...although Lai might forget about that :(

ladylover

23-07-2005, 04:33:PM

oh sorry...i promised to upload the torrents here

here u are, i found and put 2 torrents in the zip file. The [Soccer-media.com]'s one is 359mb rmvb, while the other one MUvsHK.torrent is 638mb rmvb. But I havent downloaded either of them, so u may try which one got more seeds~

sorry that i dont know if they have English commentation captured

cheers

Thanx, no prob about the commentation, at least I can see the match

Daz

23-07-2005, 04:36:PM

http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/4930/redcard0wc.jpg
The referee gave Giggs a red card and asked him to sign an autograph. :p

hahaha! Classic! :funny:

houston3721

23-07-2005, 04:42:PM

Thanx, no prob about the commentation, at least I can see the match
u are welcome, glad to see many people watch Hong Kong team's match, although its because of United.
Please pay more attention to the Hong Kong players, they really have tried their best, especially our keeper Fan Chun-Yip who started (he wears number 19, same as Edwin). And the one who turned and made a beautiful shot which saved by Edwin, he is the number 7 striker Au Wai-Lun and this is his last match for the national team.

mnj2x

23-07-2005, 04:44:PM

This dong dude was impressive i have to say....loads of pace and Smith as usual the ball winner.

Andrejs

23-07-2005, 05:27:PM

Fan Chun-Yip

Oh yeah, the guy was amazing at times, also the guy who made the last appearance for HK, what was his name again?

birminghamfan2

23-07-2005, 05:29:PM

Some pictures from the training yesterday. (Exclusive! :rockman: )

http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/5425/1003687edited5zb.th.jpg (http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1003687edited5zb.jpg)
http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/6315/1003688edited2ff.th.jpg (http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1003688edited2ff.jpg)
http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/329/1003689edited1jw.th.jpg (http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1003689edited1jw.jpg)

is gary wearing adidas now? no longer diadora?

garlei

23-07-2005, 05:44:PM

Andrejs his name is Au Wai Lun, probably the most decorated striker in recent times, number 7.

He was really surprised when Fergie stood next to him to shake hands and take a picture after he heard from the loudspeaker that it was his last game. Au was very happy by Fergie's nice gesture and the crowd cheered them on.

I have 1024*768 pics each one meg each. anyone have ideas on how I should post them? I want to maintain the size. Don't mind if the qualtiy suffers. suggestions?

MikeyM

23-07-2005, 07:41:PM

is gary wearing adidas now? no longer diadora?

I noticed that he was wearing adidas in this game - I'm sure however that both Nevilles have a contract with Diadora.

As for fans looking for an opportunity to get match tickets, then just sign up to One United (£25 per season), alternatively tickets are on sale to non members for the UCL qualifiers.

Dong was a real revelation today though, very neat finish. Rossi played well too. Little dissapointed in the strikers' finishing, but that will come. Alan Smith looked assured in the holding (Keano) role - I think he likes being in the heat of the battle :) Good run out for David Jones again too. And great save by Edwin, only a keeper as tall as him would have made that.

Mike

Daz

23-07-2005, 07:48:PM

Today will have done alot in the effort of convincing alot of people that Alan Smith CAN replace Keane. Yes, i know it was weak opposition but he was absolutely superb!Even his tackling was decent! He was very disciplined in his positioning - and as he becomes more confident in that position i can see him charging forward more like Keano does. His drive and determination was immense!

Jones was also very impressive in that position in my opinion.

Rossi was good.

I was extremely impressed with Dong Fangzhou, he looked very comfortable on the ball. He also looked pretty strong aswell as pretty agile, i reckon he could do well in the EPL when he finally gets a work permit.

Bardsley looked impressive at RB despite a few stray passes, maybe G Nev's replacement eventually?

Pique looked very comfortable in CB, was very impressed.

Richardson surprising did pretty well at LB which gives him more of a chance at a first team place more often next year if he can play more positions.

MikeyM

23-07-2005, 07:53:PM

shokz

23-07-2005, 07:56:PM

http://64.34.164.206/ri_forum/showthread.php?t=47820

There was a huge row between Roy Keane and Alex Ferguson, but unfortunately they've sorted it all out, damn.

Daz

23-07-2005, 08:00:PM

And the great thing is, that when he gets to the attacking third, he knows where the goal is. It's only really the defensive part he needs to learn more, and he will. :)

Mike
he looked very impressive defensively to me and did exactly what was expected of him with covering positions, challenging the players running through the middle, picking up the loose ball etc.

MikeyM

23-07-2005, 10:33:PM

he looked very impressive defensively to me and did exactly what was expected of him with covering positions, challenging the players running through the middle, picking up the loose ball etc.

Yeah he did well today, but he's gonna have to learn defensive roles against top World players, like Shevchenko for example. Doing it against Hong Kong is one thing, the likes of AC Milan quite another.

As far as the Roy Keane / Fergie arguments, apparently this is nothing new - in fact Keano has reached a level in Fergie's respect that allows him to challenge him. Sir Alex admires his passion for the club and his faith in his convictions. Keano is Sir Alex's blue eyed boy.

No doubt the Sunday papers will be full of :sb9: . I wonder which one will link us with Michael Owen this week?

Mike

Hang0ne

23-07-2005, 10:57:PM

oh sorry...i promised to upload the torrents here

here u are, i found and put 2 torrents in the zip file. The [Soccer-media.com]'s one is 359mb rmvb, while the other one MUvsHK.torrent is 638mb rmvb. But I havent downloaded either of them, so u may try which one got more seeds~

sorry that i dont know if they have English commentation captured

cheers

houston can you teach me how 2 dl this

im new with torrents

RockShow

24-07-2005, 02:03:AM

this is rossi's break thru season. and i predict next summer he will be linked with a move to real madrid :p

ngyc

24-07-2005, 02:58:AM

this is rossi's break thru season. and i predict next summer he will be linked with a move to real madrid :p

no he won't unless he become a world class footballer in 1 season :p

ngyc

24-07-2005, 02:59:AM

is gary wearing adidas now? no longer diadora?

so does phil neville. he is wearing F50 :confused:

James007

24-07-2005, 03:54:AM

houston can you teach me how 2 dl this

im new with torrents

download the torrent, and then download Bit Torrent and just click the torrent whereever u saved it to. sorry for off topic

Hang0ne

24-07-2005, 10:16:AM

download the torrent, and then download Bit Torrent and just click the torrent whereever u saved it to. sorry for off topic

thx it worked :rockman:

ngyc

24-07-2005, 11:41:AM

http://64.34.164.206/ri_forum/showthread.php?t=47820

There was a huge row between Roy Keane and Alex Ferguson, but unfortunately they've sorted it all out, damn.

its been reported in skysports as well :(

ticcan

24-07-2005, 12:15:PM

It been reported in all over the british newspapers about the bust-up. :nape: :(

AlienSeafood

24-07-2005, 02:34:PM

go to manutd.com

u hav to be a member though

Fernandez

24-07-2005, 02:37:PM

I'd be suckered if Fergie do something stupid that is good only for himself.

ZamundaMan

24-07-2005, 05:09:PM

Its a prob a load of BS.

if it is true, the media is blowing it out of proportion.

pullstones_jr

24-07-2005, 07:32:PM

Keane aint the sort of person i'd want mad with me

b-ytter

24-07-2005, 07:36:PM

Its a prob a load of BS.

if it is true, the media is blowing it out of proportion.
Agree!
media is always overdoing there effort to cover there story's
:jap:

Hans

25-07-2005, 06:53:AM

This is not the first time Fergie is having a bust up with a senior member of the team, don`t worry about it.

houston3721

25-07-2005, 01:09:PM

houston can you teach me how 2 dl this

im new with torrents
Sorry that I reply so late as i didnt use the computer yesterday...

You have to dl a software like BitComet, then just open the torrents with BitComet. Make sure to upload a bit longer after downloading, otherwise others cant dl later ;)

Garlei, upload your pictures to http://www.imageshack.us/, they provide a maximum image size of 1MB. but u have to register before uploading them...and u can also dl a little program on the homepage called ImageShack Quickload for easier uploading.

ticcan

25-07-2005, 02:31:PM

Ronaldo has linked up with the squad. :)

http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=203417&itype=466&icategoryid=120

Fergie rejects rift reports

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=294079&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=Fergie+rejects+rift+reports&channel=football_home

FFC2004

25-07-2005, 04:31:PM

This is not the first time Fergie is having a bust up with a senior member of the team, don`t worry about it.

yeah beckham went to madrid

Daz

25-07-2005, 04:59:PM

hey guys, i was just wondering if anyone has got a decent sized pic of Gerard Pique? especially his face?

thanks

Daz

Kulixs

25-07-2005, 05:00:PM

hey guys, i was just wondering if anyone has got a decent sized pic of Gerard Pique? especially his face?

thanks

Daz
Why, you looking to make a Sig? Im sure you could go on manutd.com and check his profile, a pic will be there.

Daz

25-07-2005, 05:02:PM

well i need it for two purposes really, one to make a sig and the other to make a decent PES4 face for him.

the pic in his profile at manutd.com is not particularly good either.

Kulixs

25-07-2005, 06:00:PM

http://united.no/data/images//getty/pique_g-01.jpg

http://www.4thegame.com/media/00/02/29/pique_gerard_mufc_profile_2004.jpg

http://united.no/data/images//getty/pique_g-03.jpg

There the ones i got man, maybe you could use them for a sig. Sorry if there not too good.

Daz

25-07-2005, 06:07:PM

yer i think they'd be ok for a sig, thanks.

it's really hard to find pics of him at the moment :(

i'll probably have to wait until the new squad photos are up on uefa.com

untouchable

25-07-2005, 06:41:PM

I think you can use these.

http://www.altavista.com/image/results?q=Gerard+Pique&mik=photo&mik=graphic&mip=all&mis=all&miwxh=all

Hans

25-07-2005, 06:47:PM

yeah beckham went to madrid
Fergie and Peter Schemeichel almost punched each other and a year later we won the treble, and Beckham has been nothin` but commercial crap in Madrid so what`s your point :rolleyes: ? Every teams got their internal conflicts, but the media seems to love makin` a fuss about it whenever it happens in a big team.

untouchable

25-07-2005, 06:55:PM

Daz

25-07-2005, 06:56:PM

I think you can use these.

http://www.altavista.com/image/results?q=Gerard+Pique&mik=photo&mik=graphic&mip=all&mis=all&miwxh=all
hmm... they're all a bit small though.

Andrejs

25-07-2005, 07:20:PM

Just go to http://editorial.gettyimages.com and search for 'Gerard Pique'...

Daz

25-07-2005, 08:04:PM

the faces are all either too small or have a watermark through it.

FFC2004

25-07-2005, 08:41:PM

Daz

25-07-2005, 08:49:PM

but what he says is spot on. :)

FFC2004

25-07-2005, 10:19:PM

my point was, was that beckham wasn't the happiest bloke in manchester... and when he got hit by the boot, do you think that improved his relationship with fergie? he went off to madrid not long after... i'm not worried about his performances at madrid :)

houston3721

26-07-2005, 05:10:AM

Fergie and Peter Schemeichel almost punched each other and a year later we won the treble, and Beckham has been nothin` but commercial crap in Madrid so what`s your point :rolleyes: ? Every teams got their internal conflicts, but the media seems to love makin` a fuss about it whenever it happens in a big team.
yea, when there are people, there are conflicts. But even if it is a little conflict, the media would love to make it big. And for a big club, those stories alwayas appear.

and for the Pique's pictures.... I should have taken some big close-ups of him and other players while they were signing the autographs... but I was just too busy and excited to take pictures of them... :p

manutd4eva

26-07-2005, 05:48:AM

http://gallery.euphorics.net/uploads/united/79962995gleedyclunt.jpg

Awesome.

untouchable

26-07-2005, 06:08:AM

http://gallery.euphorics.net/uploads/united/79962995gleedyclunt.jpg

Awesome.
That goes on my harddrive....now. :ewan:

houston3721

26-07-2005, 06:09:AM

http://gallery.euphorics.net/uploads/united/79962995gleedyclunt.jpg

Awesome.
During the training session, the players went to us and sign autographs for us... after Rio signed for me and a few other lads, he was then about 2-3 metres away from us, I yelled "Sign the contract" to him but dont know if he heard that...and of coz he didnt respond.

I think Rio enjoys playing at United and I dont think he really wants to leave... i cant deny he is greedy tho.

Seven8

26-07-2005, 06:48:AM

http://gallery.euphorics.net/uploads/united/79962995gleedyclunt.jpg

Awesome.

the picture of the day :rofl:

b-ytter

26-07-2005, 06:55:AM

ha ha,funny picture
:rofl:

ticcan

26-07-2005, 06:58:AM

LOL :rofl: :funny:

ngyc

26-07-2005, 07:12:AM

http://gallery.euphorics.net/uploads/united/79962995gleedyclunt.jpg

Awesome.

houston, don't tell me that was you :p

houston3721

26-07-2005, 07:40:AM

houston, don't tell me that was you :p
I m only 16... Is that you, Garlei??? :rolleyes:
Being the fans of the team, I think we shouldnt do anything to hurt our players either mentally or physically.

In fact, my sister brought 3 cardboards with the letters R, I and O but I dont know if any cameraman caught it. :p

Fernandez

26-07-2005, 11:59:AM

Well, Rio is a gleedy clunt.

Andrejs

26-07-2005, 01:19:PM

Park got his first goal (Y)

houston3721

26-07-2005, 02:11:PM

Park got his first goal (Y)
This time Beijing Hyundai really force United to play seriously. Rooney, Ruud and Ronaldo all showed their unprofessionalism in this match.... :( Ruud should have been sent off...

Scholes scored 2 and was the MOM.

We played quite well in these 2 games, scoring 5 goals and keeping 2 clean sheets. However, our players should learn more about sportsmanship. Although one of the commentators and I also think that the Chinese teams play more dirty than Hong Kong teams, we shouldnt have done things like pushing others after got tackled, or touching other's head like Ronaldo did...

garlei

26-07-2005, 02:12:PM

:rockman: yep that was a nice finish from ronaldo superb run down the wing, skipping past two defenders.

SlowSilver

26-07-2005, 02:14:PM

Why should van Nistelrooy have been sent off? Did you not see the horrible tackle on him from behind? That player should have been off, disgusting tackle.

Fernandez

26-07-2005, 02:16:PM

I'd be pissed if anyone got injured. This is like Real Madrid v Tokyo Verdy. A mtach that is anything but a friendly.

houston3721

26-07-2005, 02:23:PM

Why should van Nistelrooy have been sent off? Did you not see the horrible tackle on him from behind? That player should have been off, disgusting tackle.
Beijing Hyundai players play dirtily and their tackles are very hard. The player who made the tackle should have been sent off but taking revenge costs u a red card too. However, i think that those Chinese referees were a bit biased...

ngyc

26-07-2005, 02:27:PM

anyone have the goal highlights?

Nuno

26-07-2005, 02:32:PM

anyone have the goal highlights?

Yes, hook it up. Did Ronaldo score again?

houston3721

26-07-2005, 02:37:PM

:rockman: yep that was a nice finish from ronaldo superb run down the wing, skipping past two defenders.
Richardson also made a very good run...sprinting down the wing and outspeeds the defender. Fergie kept putting Richardson in the left back position.... another Fortune?! :nape:

Andrejs

26-07-2005, 02:47:PM

Yes, hook it up. Did Ronaldo score again?

No, Scholes got two and Park got one. Ronaldo gave a brilliant cross to Park, though.

ngyc

26-07-2005, 02:50:PM

from SkySports

One worrying aspect for The Red Devils might be another game without a goal for Rooney, who continues to operate in what is effectively a midfield role and seems unable to get himself into goalscoring positions at present.

hmm....rooney yet to score :S

@Nuno: nope. he assists the park goal

ngyc

26-07-2005, 02:52:PM

Richardson also made a very good run...sprinting down the wing and outspeeds the defender. Fergie kept putting Richardson in the left back position.... another Fortune?! :nape:

i hate fergie when he play player out of their favorite position :nape:

untouchable

26-07-2005, 02:59:PM

Nuno

26-07-2005, 03:03:PM

No, Scholes got two and Park got one. Ronaldo gave a brilliant cross to Park, though.

Cool, I hope to see a highlight soon.

Fernandez

26-07-2005, 03:03:PM

Never. (in response the the post above the above post)

ZamundaMan

26-07-2005, 03:03:PM

how was smith's performance in the middle?

houston3721

26-07-2005, 03:08:PM

Nice to see that we won again. Sir Alex seems to be going after perfection now, he keeps on mentioning that Chelsea made no mistakes and that United are up for the challenge. Maybe we might see an unbeaten season for us? :ewan:
But Gary also said very well. We have 38 EPL matches in each season. Only 2 are against Chelsea. We can lose the 2 of them and win the other 36 games.

We need a flying start in the forthcoming season and grab 3 points when we face the lower teams.

untouchable

26-07-2005, 03:12:PM

If you think about it, the only thing that stopped us from going unbeaten last season was one top team(Chelsea) and a whole bunch of average teams. We need to blow away the average teams this season, and even if we can't beat Chelsea, we should at least try to draw against them.

We're really not that far away.

ngyc

26-07-2005, 03:18:PM

we have to make sure we're able to gain maximum point from those average team

AlienSeafood

26-07-2005, 03:19:PM

http://gallery.euphorics.net/uploads/united/79962995gleedyclunt.jpg

Awesome.

thats a PHOTOSHOP...it actually says RIO STAY

ufojeremy

26-07-2005, 03:37:PM

Rio worth 120000 pounds per week?
Gerrard only get 100000 pounds!!!!

SlowSilver

26-07-2005, 03:50:PM

Only?

manutd4eva

26-07-2005, 04:01:PM

Footballers earn way too much money to even ask for a raise.

ticcan

26-07-2005, 04:42:PM

UNITED REJECT BIDS For DUO

Manchester United have rejected bids for long-serving utility man Phil Neville and out-of-favour midfielder Kleberson.

The future of both men has been in doubt this summer, with Kleberson failing to make an impression in his two years at Old Trafford and Neville finding himself frozen out for much of the last campaign.

It has now been confirmed by Old Trafford officials that Spanish side Celta Vigo have followed up their initial interest with a firm bid, while Turkish outfit Besiktas have already declared their desire to sign the 26-year-old, a £6million capture from Atletico Paraenese two years ago.

Although Kleberson would appear destined for pastures new, United are determined to recoup as much of that outlay as possible and neither offer reached their valuation.

Neville's short-term career plans are also open to doubt. At 28, the England international knows he faces a similar situation to that experienced by old friend Nicky Butt 12 months ago.

After years of being on the fringes at United, Butt eventually opted to join Newcastle, although the example is not a good one for Neville given the midfielder's unhappy experiences at St James' Park.

A lifelong United fan, Neville has always stated he would never willingly choose to leave Old Trafford unless he feared his first-team chances were reducing.

But the arrival of Park Ji-sung and Ferguson's decision to experiment with Alan Smith in central midfield could be the catalyst for a move, with the United boss admitting he has received approaches for the likeable Bury-born player, who came off the bench in the 3-0 win over Beijing Hyundai.

"There have been a few inquiries for Phil over the last two or three weeks but so far we have not accepted any of them," confirmed the United boss.

Meanwhile midfielder Chris Eagles has joined Sheffield Wednesday on loan until the end of the year.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/05/07/26/SOCCER_Man_Utd_Bids.html&TEAMHD=soccer

ticcan

26-07-2005, 05:02:PM

The goals today against Beijing

1-0 (http://www.abu-jassim.com/majnoon_football/ManUnitedAsianTour/manutd1_0BeijingHyundai.wmv)

2-0 (http://www.abu-jassim.com/majnoon_football/ManUnitedAsianTour/manutd2_0BeijingHyundai.wmv)

3-0 (http://www.abu-jassim.com/majnoon_football/ManUnitedAsianTour/manutd3_0BeijingHyundai.wmv)

Nuno

26-07-2005, 05:56:PM

Thanks for the highlights!

Correct me if I'm wrong...

Goal 1 Fletcher assist to Scholes header.
Goal 2 Ruud assist to Scholes tap in.
Goal 3 Ronaldo assist to Park header.

RockShow

26-07-2005, 06:17:PM

Thanks for the highlights!

Correct me if I'm wrong...

Goal 1 Fletcher assist to Scholes header.
Goal 2 Ruud assist to Scholes tap in.
Goal 3 Ronaldo assist to Park header.

thats what i saw.

Hans

26-07-2005, 07:37:PM

Don`t separate the Nevilles !!!!!

I LOVE THEM !!!!!

manutd4eva

26-07-2005, 07:41:PM

Phil sucks though.

He only bothers to play when he's up against Vieira.

Seven8

26-07-2005, 09:29:PM

Phil sucks though.

He only bothers to play when he's up against Vieira.

I disagree with you.

he may not be the best ever player... :p
but he never complained being a squad/substitute player, and when asked, he always performed ok, he might not be a Keane, or a Gaz, or a Heinze etc but he could have done a lot worse.
He's a leading example of a good versatile substitute/squad player. :rockman:

manutd4eva

26-07-2005, 09:38:PM

Needs to move on.

Reduces the club's wage bill if he does.

What's he on, 50k a week? To sit on the bench all season.

Hopeunited

26-07-2005, 09:51:PM

I think we Phil should be kept. He's a versatility man, a team player, and a loyal person. We should be loyal to him in return, plus he is fairly valuable.

manutd4eva

26-07-2005, 10:16:PM

Yep, it's people like you who believe the likes of Keane should be kept, just because of loyaty.

There comes a time when the betterment of the club should be of greater importance than the loyalty shown to players.

ngyc

26-07-2005, 10:33:PM

Needs to move on.

Reduces the club's wage bill if he does.

What's he on, 50k a week? To sit on the bench all season.

and to reduce the squad size. we have huge squad size now :(

ZamundaMan

26-07-2005, 10:39:PM

b-ytter

26-07-2005, 10:40:PM

Phil is doing good when he get the chance to play,he is a average player and is good to have when we have injury problems!
on the other hand i would not say anything if he shoud decide to move on,but as long he is happy with his situation at the club i say (Y)

manutd4eva

26-07-2005, 10:42:PM

...right...:|

...sell the loayal players....

You are a bit dense.

I won't bother with you.

ZamundaMan

26-07-2005, 10:53:PM

You are a bit dense.

I won't bother with you.

...sell scholes...and gary....ruud...i mean he had a bad season...:lui:

rhizome17

26-07-2005, 10:54:PM

Sell Gary instead, his heart is not with the team anyway.

manutd4eva

26-07-2005, 10:57:PM

...sell scholes...and gary....ruud...i mean he had a bad season...:lui:

See my previous post............

b-ytter

26-07-2005, 11:03:PM

Sell Gary instead, his heart is not with the team anyway.
update your sig!!
your talented player ain't with you anymore!
:ewan:

TheBlueBalla

26-07-2005, 11:54:PM

update your sig!!
your talented player ain't with you anymore!
:ewan:
Dude, after that monstrosity "THE NEXT UNITED KEEPER" sig that you had which got lampooned oh so beautifully by AberdeenFC/Gavin, you have no room to speak on sigs (H)

ZamundaMan

27-07-2005, 12:18:AM

See my previous post............

http://www.soccergaming.tv/attachment.php?attachmentid=124637&stc=1

its time to stop

...for real tho...Phil is a good player who doesn't complain about being on the bench most of the season. I'm sure we'll miss him when Keane, and Smith are both injured, and Kleberson is the only jagoff to fill in that position.

It's better to have Phil around. We may need him during hard times.

rhizome17

27-07-2005, 12:36:AM

update your sig!!
your talented player ain't with you anymore!
:ewan:

Andy Cole, Andy Cole, Andy Andy Cole!

He gets the ball and scores a goal,

Andy, Andy Cole!

Darius, will tear you apart... again...

And the SWP sig stays, as homage to a great player. We City fans don't go slagging off anyone who leaves for another club unless it is you lot.

untouchable

27-07-2005, 12:49:AM

Andy Cole, Andy Cole, Andy Andy Cole!
Misses about 9357232357123 shots before he scores a goal!

Darius, will tear you apart... again...
Darius, the definition of one hit wonder, one goal pony. When was the last time he scored a goal? That bicycle kick for England against Holland? HA, he's average, City and him are made for each other.

And the SWP sig stays, as homage to a great player. We City fans don't go slagging off anyone who leaves for another club unless it is you lot.
Damn, do City suck that much? You dont even wanna put one of the players in your sig, you rather put a player who's at another club...go figure.

untouchable

27-07-2005, 12:52:AM

its time to stop

for real tho...Phil is a good player who doesn't complain about being on the bench most of the season. I'm sure we'll miss him when Keane, and Smith are both injured, and Kleberson is the only jagoff to fill in that position.

It's better to have Phil around. We may need him during hard times.
Whuh? Are you kidding me? *realises who he's talking to* Oh wait nevermind.

manutd4eva

27-07-2005, 01:16:AM

http://www.soccergaming.tv/attachment.php?attachmentid=124637&stc=1

its time to stop

...for real tho...Phil is a good player who doesn't complain about being on the bench most of the season. I'm sure we'll miss him when Keane, and Smith are both injured, and Kleberson is the only jagoff to fill in that position.

It's better to have Phil around. We may need him during hard times.

You're just as stupid as those who feel we don't need a new midfielder.

Phil Neville, Roy Keane, Alan Smith, Jose Kleberson as our options for central midfield, welcome to the f*cking battle royale for 3rd place between us and the f*cking Scousers.

untouchable

27-07-2005, 01:38:AM

ZamundaMan

27-07-2005, 01:44:AM

Whuh? Are you kidding me? *realises who he's talking to* Oh wait nevermind.

I hope your superiority complex and ego don't get in the way of your social progression in life.

There is no other utility player with that experience willing to come to united and sit on the bench. If Kleberson doesn't want to do it, I'm sure no one else will.

He's not a superstar, he knows it, we [fans] know it. He does not demand to be a first team regular. Phil can play 1 in 6 games and not voice his concerns.

At least if he is sold, SAF hopefully will not settle to give him away on a knocked down bargain price. Hence his rejection of the current bid.

manutd4eva

27-07-2005, 01:45:AM

I admit I'm not looking forward to Feelup Neville and Kleberfoot, but to be fair we have 2 great prospects in David Jones and Fletcher. Still I'd like to see a big midfield signing though, but I doubt it'd happen.

That's all they are at the moment, prospects.

Fletcher is good, but he blows hot and cold, not commanding enough for the defensive midfield role.

David Jones needs some burgers.

untouchable

27-07-2005, 01:55:AM

Oh...right...and you the great intellectual with the solution to United's problems written on your hankerchief...

There is no other utility player with that experience willing to come to united and sit on the bench. If Kleberson doesn't want to do it, I'm sure no one else will.

He's not a superstar, he knows it, we [fans] know it. He does not demand to be a first team regular. Phil can play 1 in 6 games and not voice his concerns.

At least if he is sold, SAF hopefully will not settle to give him away on a knocked down bargain price. Hence his rejection of the current bid.
Pee Neville is good, well for nothing. You can blabber on and on and on about commitment, not complaining blah blah blah, but the fact of the matter is, he's good at nothing. He can play simple short passes, dive into tackles.. and what else? He can't change matches, has no skill, no leadership... He wont help us break down bunker defenses, and he doesn't exactly bolster our defense.

Who needs Neville when we have such wonderfull prospects as Jones and Fletcher around? Not to mention O'Shea can play in the center as well.

rhizome17

27-07-2005, 01:56:AM

Misses about 9357232357123 shots before he scores a goal!

Darius, the definition of one hit wonder, one goal pony. When was the last time he scored a goal? That bicycle kick for England against Holland? HA, he's average, City and him are made for each other.

Damn, do City suck that much? You dont even wanna put one of the players in your sig, you rather put a player who's at another club...go figure.

Top scorers: Premiership 2004/05
Rank Player Goals
1 Thierry Henry (Arsenal) 25
2 Andrew Johnson (Crystal Palace) 21
3 Robert Pires (Arsenal) 14
4 Frank Lampard (Chelsea) 13
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink (Middlesbrough) 13
Aiyegbeni Yakubu (Portsmouth) 13
Jermain Defoe (Tottenham) 13
8 Andy Cole (Fulham) 12
Eidur Gudjohnsen (Chelsea) 12
Peter Crouch (Southampton) 12
Robbie Keane (Tottenham) 12
12 Tim Cahill (Everton) 11
Robert Earnshaw (West Brom) 11
Wayne Rooney (Man Utd) 11
15 Emile Heskey (Birmingham) 10
Shaun Wright-Phillips (Man City) 10
Robbie Fowler (Man City) 10
Kevin Phillips (Southampton) 10
Didier Drogba (Chelsea) 10
Fredrik Ljungberg (Arsenal) 10
21 Jose Antonio Reyes (Arsenal) 9
El-Hadji Diouf (Bolton) 9
Paul Scholes (Man Utd) 9
Paul Dickov (Blackburn) 9
Milan Baros (Liverpool) 9

Haha, Andy Cole scored more than any single United player last season (H)

But hey, guess you better get back to work so you can helkp clear Glazers (and now your clubs big debt :ewan:

untouchable

27-07-2005, 02:00:AM

That's all they are at the moment, prospects.

Fletcher is good, but he blows hot and cold, not commanding enough for the defensive midfield role.

David Jones needs some burgers.
He's not commanding enough for the defensive midfield role because he's not a defensive midfielder. Makelele is a defensive midfielder, he can't attack for his life, like a 5th defender.

Fletcher is more of a Lampard type player, not overly skillfull, but very talented. Fletcher can play some great Scholes/Beckham-esque passes,he can head the ball, he hits a mean long shot(when he actually tries),not to mention he's 6 feet, incredible workrate and a decent tackler as well. Not bad for a 21 year old who has plenty time to improve his game.

Jones is also a great young central midfield player but a with a stronger desire to defend. He has plenty time to beef up.

You have to remember, we just have to show some patience sometimes. We can't expect everyone to be perfect and to fit into this roles perfectly. Keane, Scholes, Giggs were all "Prospects" too, you just have to show some faith.

untouchable

27-07-2005, 02:04:AM

Haha, Andy Cole scored more than any single United player last season (H)
What? By 1/2 goals?? Groundbreaking!!!!!!11one

*Cue weak comeback*But hey, guess you better get back to work so you can helkp clear Glazers (and now your clubs big debt :ewan:*end weak comeback*
Yes, we are over 500 million pounds in debt and we are owned by Glazer. YAY!!!! :lui: Yet how much you wanna bet that we make that up faster than City make up their 50/60 million pound debt?

rhizome17

27-07-2005, 02:10:AM

I would bet anything that you fail to make the Champions League next season :ewan:

You read it here first :jap:

untouchable

27-07-2005, 02:18:AM

Well what can ya say, at least we would've had the chance to enter the competition, unlike your lot of course, who bottled the chance to 'qualify' for the Uefa Cup a.k.a the CL consolation prize. :jap:

Help?

27-07-2005, 04:00:AM

Sell Gary instead, his heart is not with the team anyway.
We still have Richard Dunne don't forget. I heard he is absolutely deadly infront of James' goal, he makes Schevchenko envy those first touches of his. Absolutely superb United striker.

goal_machine84

27-07-2005, 04:09:AM

:rofl:

Fernandez

27-07-2005, 04:24:AM

We still have Richard Dunne don't forget. I heard he is absolutely deadly infront of James' goal, he makes Schevchenko envy those first touches of his. Absolutely superb United striker.

Superb for pretty much of the other teams.

rhizome17

27-07-2005, 05:28:AM

ticcan

27-07-2005, 05:37:AM

I would bet anything that you fail to make the Champions League next season :ewan:

You read it here first :jap:

bet my money City will get relegated next season. :ewan:

Bobby

27-07-2005, 06:04:AM

What? By 1/2 goals?? Groundbreaking!!!!!!11one

Yes, we are over 500 million pounds in debt and we are owned by Glazer. YAY!!!! :lui: Yet how much you wanna bet that we make that up faster than City make up their 50/60 million pound debt?

City have cut that debt in half by selling SWP, and the fact that they now own CoMS means they get all the profits from events there. They have some more bright youth players who could fetch up to 10m some day.

They're on the right path, slowly but surely.

mnj2x

27-07-2005, 07:53:AM

i read somewhere that ruud had a conflict with one of the beijing players and had to be taken off by SAF......IS IT TRUE?

rhizome17

27-07-2005, 09:58:AM

Yes Its True!!!

Fernandez

27-07-2005, 11:21:AM

You can't impersonate Kurt Angle, rhizome (H)

birminghamfan2

27-07-2005, 01:38:PM

Wednesday, July 27, 2005

Sir Alex backs Park to make mark

Park Ji-Sung has emerged as a likely starter for Manchester United in their Premiership opener with Everton on August 13.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=337688&cc=5739

if park starts will it be on the left wing instead of giggs?

untouchable

27-07-2005, 02:29:PM

Yes I think he'll be on the left, which I think is great. Now we have more squad depth.

Fernandez

27-07-2005, 02:32:PM

I feel that Park should start on the bench like Ronaldo did two years ago in his EPL debut. I have my reasons for doing so.

Nuno

27-07-2005, 02:41:PM

I'm looking forward to August 13th and the start of the new EPL season. Man Utd will surely come out with a vengeance after last season.

Hendrik

27-07-2005, 02:45:PM

Even Chelsea's second unit is more talented. I don't see anything changing this year.

Fernandez

27-07-2005, 02:51:PM

Chelsea will have some unhappy campers in their team and thus low morale. This will in turn cause Chelsea to have poor form. Well I wish. :(

untouchable

27-07-2005, 02:52:PM

Old habits are hard to change, as I see that people are still determining our title challenge based on how much stars we have in our team, YAY!!! OMGZ!!!111, CHELSE@ HAVE MORE STARS, THAT MEANS UNITED STAND NO CHANCE OMNGZZZZZZZ11@one!! Typical really. But this club makes stars, we rarely sign them, so I can't wait to see all these Fifa kids eat their words come next summer.

"You'll never win anything with kids" said the critics when they dissed Beckham, Scholes, Keane, Butt, Giggs who were all 18-24.

Now back to the main issues. I think that with Park, we have a certain balance back to the team. When we had Beckham on one wing, and Giggs on the other, we had one livewire who dribbled rings around defenders, while another made good distribution, and worked hard to disposses opposition, I think we have that in Park and Ronaldo again.

Fernandez

27-07-2005, 02:54:PM

I am optimistic but sometimes I can be a pessimist when Fergie gets it all wrong.

untouchable

27-07-2005, 02:58:PM

My post was more of a reply to the Bayern fan over their who thinks a team that's not full of big names wont get anywhere. :nape:

We all know that Ferguson can make some mind numbing decisions at times, but we can clearly see that he knows what we have to do to win the title. He knows we have to have a nearly unblemished record, the team knows that they have to take apart the smaller teams, Ruud knows he needs to score more, Ronaldo knows he needs to cross/pass more...and they're all improving. The squad just doesn't stay static, they improve all the time.

Not to mention we have great talent like Rossi, Jones, Pique, Bardsley coming up, I mean, we can't expect these people who support other teams to recognize our talent. They know nothing about our club, so they assume that we are weak when they dont recognize some names on the teamsheet, but they are wrong, typical.

Hendrik

27-07-2005, 03:17:PM

Oh of course I forgot Rossi, Jones, Pique etc. will make an instant impact from day one.

Dude, there was a friggin 18 point gap between these two teams and Chelsea got even better. Let's have a bet: I say Chelsea will have a 10+ points lead come christmas. Okay?

untouchable

27-07-2005, 03:34:PM

Sunshine, who said that they would make an instant impact...? Who said they will light up the footballing world immediately? They are youngsters for ****sake use your ****in head. I honestly dont see how you get off on saying Chelsea's second string is better than us, that is nothing but bull**** and windups.

Chelsea's first team is barely better than our first team, where did you pull that statement from? So f*cking what if we're how much points behind them last season. Their superiority over us was that they beat the smaller teams, and we didn't, plain and simple. They had a key player like Lampard available all ******* season, they had brilliant defenders to choose from ALL season, and they were consistent. None of that had to do with individual talent, but their mentality and luck with injuries.

We went to their ground with Keane and Fortune in defense, no Ruud, no Heinze, no Rio, No Ronaldo, no Scholes...and we lost 1-0 big ****in whup. We had some of the worst luck with injuries, finishing, but I dont expect someone who knows **** all about our club to know that.

Seven8

27-07-2005, 03:40:PM

United only needs to win more games against the "small" ones. then there' won't be an 18pt gap + chelski probably won't win sixteen times or so with 1-0 and have all the key players (mainly terry, lampard) available all time

Deisler

27-07-2005, 03:45:PM

Man Yoo fans are unbelivable. Glazer buys their @$$ and promises to save their title hopes and what this maggots do? They go ahead and create FC United. Sign up for the 9 league and beg for a 15 000 stadium to play their games.
Wouldn't it be easier to follow the same team that got them every single title so far?

Seven8

27-07-2005, 03:49:PM

untouchable

27-07-2005, 03:53:PM

Wouldn't it be easier to follow the same team that got them every single title so far?
See? That just shows how naive you are. Not everything is about being "easier to follow the same team that got them every single title so far". Is it easy to support Bayern? Because they are the best German team? :nape:

To those supporters, the club is their lives. They put their heart and soul into it, and became dissillusioned by all the changes at the club(starting with the club going on the stock market in the 90s) so they create their own club. To each his own.

Deisler

27-07-2005, 04:01:PM

Seven8

27-07-2005, 04:06:PM

See? That just shows how naive you are. Not everything is about being "easier to follow the same team that got them every single title so far". Is it easy to support Bayern? Because they are the best German team? :nape: .

Untouchable - 100% agree

To those supporters, the club is their lives. They put their heart and soul into it, and became dissillusioned by all the changes at the club(starting with the club going on the stock market in the 90s) so they create their own club. To each his own.

to each his own (agree) and in my case both Uniteds. (I love the romantic, nostalgic, back to the roots FC United Idea, aswell as the MUFC Team)

Hendrik

27-07-2005, 04:08:PM

untouchable

27-07-2005, 04:31:PM

Wtf? So now everything Best, Cantona, Sheringham and co did is forgoten couse a fvck face from Florida bought the club?
Thats loyalty in your book?
Man Yoo fans are so friggin spoiled that they think theyre above the club. Times change and so does football. Now you have a Yankee as a prez live with it, dont whine and give me that loyalty BS couse if there is a fanbase more adicted to footballs commercialism those are you Man Yoo fans.
A typical response from a typical newbie to football, who is taught all the stereotypes of United fans, and taught to hate them when in fact you know nothing about the club. To fans in England, football is their lives. They work 5 days a week so that they can go to watch their teams play, and almost worship the team. Look at how they react when players leave them, they take it personally and are angered. You obviously can't understand how they would feel when some of the fans have been with the club through thick and thin, only for it to become some business, you will never understand that.

You are just one of the more casual 'soccer' 'fans' who just look for the most entertaining team and jump on the bandwagon, and to be honest, you have no right to be casting down judgement on others, shoving all United fans into some category like all the rest of the United hating pigs. If they like United, fine, leave them the hell alone, they can support who they want to support. Then you fools want to act surprised and shocked when we react angrily when you make bull**** statements.

garlei

27-07-2005, 04:41:PM

Deisler you don't have a clue about what you're wrote. Obviously you don't know anything about United and its football culture.

b-ytter

27-07-2005, 04:46:PM

A typical response from a typical newbie to football, who is taught all the stereotypes of United fans, and taught to hate them when in fact you know nothing about the club. To fans in England, football is their lives. They work 5 days a week so that they can go to watch their teams play, and almost worship the team. Look at how they react when players leave them, they take it personally and are angered. You obviously can't understand how they would feel when some of the fans have been with the club through thick and thin, only for it to become some business, you will never understand that.

You are just one of the more casual 'soccer' 'fans' who just look for the most entertaining team and jump on the bandwagon, and to be honest, you have no right to be casting down judgement on others, shoving all United fans into some category like all the rest of the United hating pigs. If they like United, fine, leave them the hell alone, they can support who they want to support. Then you fools want to act surprised and shocked when we react angrily when you make bull**** statements.
good reply,got to agree with you on that on!
(H)

ericstarkid

27-07-2005, 04:49:PM

:Bow: untouchable

ticcan

27-07-2005, 04:51:PM

Andrejs

27-07-2005, 04:54:PM

Man Yoo fans are so friggin spoiled that they think theyre above the club.

No fans, no club. Fact.

Deisler

27-07-2005, 04:57:PM

Andrejs

27-07-2005, 05:30:PM

Haha
Fans in England more devouted. Agreed. But most of the fans from SG are fvcking gloryhunters from the remote east. People from Indonesia, China, Japon, Malaysia you name it theyre all United Fans.

Same could be said about any other major club. Yes there are a lot of gloryhunters in United fans (most of them have "switched" clubs by now). Still alot of non-English fans have their reasons to support United, I, for an example, am a Latvian, with English roots and I lived in Salford for some years aswell. You never know if a person is a gloryhunter or not, so stop labeling us.

I didn't question your loyalty in the club, not at all. All i was surpeised with was the fact that you guys think above the team.

Jesus. ALL the teams exist thanks to their fans, if a pro-club has no fans there isn't any point playing football.

Man Yoo has the most arrogant fan base than any club in the EPL.

http://soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?t=123693

Look at teams in Italy there are a lot of big teams as well in financial trouble but the loyal fans dont b!tch about the owners. They support the team and criticise the system. Completely different with you guys.
Glazer just got in and without giving him the chance to perform arrogant pricks start barking.

Yes but usually it's the clubs fault that they are financially ****ed. United had a perfectly fine financial status before Glazer came. Most of the United fans blame "the system" too, but in this case Glazer IS the system.

I dislike the idea of FC United aswell, but I have better things to do then whine about it. We live in a free world, if they want to make a new club, please go ahead! But not all United fans will support them.

untouchable

27-07-2005, 05:34:PM

Haha
Fans in England more devouted. Agreed.

It's either devout, or devoted, please choose one.

But most of the fans from SG are fvcking gloryhunters from the remote east. People from Indonesia, China, Japon, Malaysia you name it theyre all United Fans.
So f*cking what? Asians aren't people too? They can't like football teams from Europe too? And what exactly are you? You're not from Germany are you?

I didn't question your loyalty in the club, not at all. All i was surpeised with was the fact that you guys think above the team. If youre that concerned with Uniteds fate get your lame @$$ with the others in Old Traford and protest. Its easy to talk trash in a fvcking forum,
Wtf are you stupid? This club was in ZERO debt and was extremely profitable and rich before this bastard ass leprechon took over, you expect us not to complain? And it's a ****in forum you asshat, do you know what a forum is?

. pl. fo·rums, also fo·ra (fôr, fr)

A public meeting place for open discussion.

That's right, we can talk about what ever the hell we want, and we can complain about whatever the hell we want, sue us.

but truth is: Man Yoo has the most arrogant fan base than any club in the EPL. Look at teams in Italy there are a lot of big teams as well in financial trouble but the loyal fans dont b!tch about the owners. They support the team and criticise the system. Completely different with you guys.
Son, just shut the royal **** up. You're so pissin ignorant, it's not even funny. Show us how we are arrogant, explain how we are arrogant? You spout more bull**** than the NY sewer system. All you go by is what other's say about us, and like any other redneck hick you follow blindly and come after us with pitchforks. Arsenal fans are arrogant, some Chelsea fans are arrogant, there is always a measure of arrogance amongst supporters, so stop acting like your **** dont stink and you're some perfect fan.

Glazer just got in and without giving him the chance to perform arrogant pricks start barking.
Yet more nationalistic bull****. I'M PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN, WHERE AT LEAST I KNOW I"M FREEEEEEE!!:jambo: Shut the **** up, he knows nothing about our club and plunged us into debt, we didn't need him before and we damn well dont need him now.

Deisler

27-07-2005, 05:44:PM

Andrejs

27-07-2005, 05:46:PM

Oh **** off...

garlei

27-07-2005, 05:49:PM

Haha
Fans in England more devouted. Agreed. But most of the fans from SG are fvcking gloryhunters from the remote east. People from Indonesia, China, Japon, Malaysia you name it theyre all United Fans.
I didn't question your loyalty in the club, not at all. All i was surpeised with was the fact that you guys think above the team. If youre that concerned with Uniteds fate get your lame @$$ with the others in Old Traford and protest. Its easy to talk trash in a fvcking forum, but truth is: Man Yoo has the most arrogant fan base than any club in the EPL.
Look at teams in Italy there are a lot of big teams as well in financial trouble but the loyal fans dont b!tch about the owners. They support the team and criticise the system. Completely different with you guys.
Glazer just got in and without giving him the chance to perform arrogant pricks start barking.

An American businessman who has no clue about football takes over your club. He purchases it with money he loaned and delists it from the stock exchange, before transfering his personal debt on the club. 600 million pounds. You have no idea about what he is going to do to relieve this situation.

If that does not infuriate you I don't know what will. Feeling angered and protesting about this takeover does not make me "an arrogant prick". I'm passionate about United and I'm sad to see it get taken over.

We're angry at the incompetent David Gill who facilitated the sale, the major shareholders (Irish duo) who sold us out and the Glazers. NOT the team and its underlying culture and ideology. The reason why some United fans have started FC United is because they feel like the United spirit and way of football will not continue under the Glazers, so they've started a new club.

It could have been hard them to accept that someone foreign has taken over the club. Worse still, he is ruthless businessman. What really blows though is that he's foreign to football as a sport.

untouchable

27-07-2005, 05:54:PM

You know what u little rat G wanna be. Arrogance is not a ******* fruit that can be weighted. It all shows on the way you sh!t hole talk.
I did say **** bou being an american and i could cere less about nationality. Simply it makes me sick to hear your bitchass whine and cry over something just started. he put you in debt? So what he did the same with Tampa Bay Buckaners ans made them a winning team and out of mediocrity.
Maney talks and so now your @$$ is owned by Glazier. Could some fvck from Manchester prevent that from happening? Probably someone coul. Did anyone do so? Fvck no. So now quit acting like an @$$ (Even though im sure as fvck u r one) and face facts.
Fact: Manchester United OWNED by Glazier. Nuff said
Wow, didn't your father know what a condom was? You are so pathetic, it's beyond words. Everyone stopped talking about Glazer ages ago, yet you, being like any other anti-united dickhead, felt the need to throw it in our faces again. You do so because you feel the need to come in here after I owned you all in the Bayern thread like I always own any idiot.

You stupid stupid patriot, Glazer didnt bring **** to tampa. It was years after he took over that Tampa won the Superbowl, and that's after sacking the previous coach(who put together the winning team btw) Where are Tampa now? Tampa are bottom of the barrell, ticket prices out of control, and fans unhappy. Glazer threatened to move the team if a new stadium wasn't built, some father figure huh? You dont know jack **** like the rest of the United haters, yet you continue to come back and embarrass yourself even further. Dont you have any pride? Of course you dont, you're a moron.

Deisler

27-07-2005, 06:10:PM

I owned you all in the Bayern thread like I always own any idiot.

Haha, My dad is stronger than yours kinda talk.

This forum should have an age limit.

Now talk to your Man Yoo mates u fvcking transexual wh0re.

Daz

27-07-2005, 06:13:PM

haha, he has no arguments left so he resorts to childish name calling.

"fvcking transexual wh0re." haha, you could've come up with something a tad more original :funny:

and also, the whole "0" thing instead of "o" is sooo lame.

untouchable

27-07-2005, 06:14:PM

Haha, My dad is stronger than yours kinda talk.

This forum should have an age limit.

Now talk to your Man Yoo mates u fvcking transexual wh0re.
Put a sock in it. You cant hide behind some fake ass 'maturity' wall. Your points dont have a shread of validity in them and were taken apart piece by piece. You lose, accept it and move on. Dont beat up yourself too much, it's not your fault you're stupid, I blame Mayor Bloomberg and his education plan.

x4dixont

27-07-2005, 10:18:PM

jeese i went into this thread to find out some news on man united not a bloody bitch-fight stfu.

untouchable

27-07-2005, 11:06:PM

jeese i went into this thread to find out some news on man united not a bloody bitch-fight stfu.
It's over now, dont start it again. Now can we please get back to team matters.

RockShow

28-07-2005, 02:02:AM

It's over now, dont start it again. Now can we please get back to team matters.

here! here!

Bobby

28-07-2005, 08:33:AM

This is the 2nd worst thread on SG, right after Hans' dick size thread.

garlei

28-07-2005, 09:51:AM

"Hans' dick size thread"?

don't even want to think about it.
Anyway, lets try to talk about United again.

I promised some pictures from the HK vs United game. They're all a meg each but after I've uploaded them on photobucket everything seems a bit distorted. All of them aren't good quality and since I'm really far away from the pitch don't expect anything too great.

garlei

28-07-2005, 09:55:AM

First off, the stadium
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b84/garleisg/IMGP2798.jpg
this was the first half right after kickoff. As you can see I'm pretty far away from the action. Got tickets a bit too late.

The first half team trains before the game. Try to find Roon, scholes, Park, Pique, Fletch, Ruud, Richardson, Rio, VDS and Phil

more stretching
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b84/garleisg/IMGP2779.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b84/garleisg/IMGP2769.jpg
some "twists and turns" warm up.

free form training. Rio is in the middle of the pic.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b84/garleisg/IMGP2793.jpg

garlei

28-07-2005, 10:01:AM

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b84/garleisg/IMGP2810.jpg

cool down session. After the first half, the team stayed on the pitch to do some short sprints to relax those muscles. Carlos was there and he mad them run about 10 times back and forth. You should be able to see those little yellow cones.

And for some reason, Rooney is missing from the team. Kind off cool seeing the shirts numbers altogether. I doubt we'll ever see this kind of a lineup again.

At the same time, the 2nd half team trains.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b84/garleisg/IMGP2805.jpg

As expected, all the girls screamed when Giggsy showed up.
You should be able to sport Saha, Kleb, Dong, Smith, Gary

garlei

28-07-2005, 10:18:AM

Later that night the players invited to a charity banquet of some sort. Later some of them went to experience Hong Kong's famous nightlife. Thought they could have gotten some better chicks. I'm seen much better at Lan Kwai Fong (The general area of the famous clubbing scene)
They went to Volar, Dragon-i and a few other places. Got all these links from redcafe.net. They're all from local newspapers in Hong Kong.
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garlei

28-07-2005, 10:19:AM

mnj2x

28-07-2005, 11:37:AM

Half time: Kashima 2 manutd 1

Giggs with the goal for us.

This match is really competitve...kashima are giving us a hard time lets see if our current team is gd enuf to beat them. oh..and ronaldo...a true entertainer!

Andrejs

28-07-2005, 12:04:PM

Ronaldos pass to O'Shea in the first half was just...brilliant!

There was a small earthquake too :p

Andrejs

28-07-2005, 12:38:PM

FT: 2-1 Kashima.

Good game by Kashima, decent by United, I guess. Ronaldo had a good game, though he could'nt score his chances. Saha can't score, totally hopeless, we should play him as a CB. Rio, well if he plays like this, he deserves £200k p/w :rolleyes:. I know it's just a pre-season friendly put the lack of finishing is still worrying.

Kashima (Y)

ZamundaMan

28-07-2005, 12:51:PM

Skysports reported that a fight (argument) broke out between Rio and Ruud at the end of the match.

ticcan

28-07-2005, 12:56:PM

Skysports reported that a fight (argument) broke out between Rio and Ruud at the end of the match.

Ruud has lost his cool in the last 2 matches. Fergie and Carlos looked embarrassed after seeing the replay of Ruud kneeing that Kashima Antler player unnecessarily..:nape:

Our goalscoring is still appalling, missing chance after chance. :kader:

ngyc

28-07-2005, 01:05:PM

It all turned ugly for United at the end; van Nistelrooy needlessly kneeing his marker in an off-the-ball incident and then becoming embroiled in a furious bust-up with Rio Ferdinand after the final whistle.

The two stars were arguing with each other, seemingly after Ferdinand accused the striker of failing to show for the ball in the closing stages.

what happen on both of them? :|

Andrejs

28-07-2005, 01:14:PM

Ruud shouting at Rio (H)(Y)

Rio is the last player in the squad who should whine about anything.

untouchable

28-07-2005, 02:02:PM

We lost? Daamn... I dunno if our opposition was in the middle of their current season and fitter or what?

Andrejs

28-07-2005, 02:15:PM

Yeah, Kashima are 1st in the J-League, 4 points clear from Gamba. They're last match was on the 23rd july against the 9th place side Omiya which the won 2-0. We should have won but we failed to score our chances, pretty much like the whole last season...

untouchable

28-07-2005, 02:18:PM

I guess our scoring problems is a mental thing, and really wont go away until we score in the premier ship, it's a confidence thing I'm sure of it now. Players just dont lose class like that.

manutd4eva

28-07-2005, 02:45:PM

Sack Fergie, Sell Park.

ticcan

28-07-2005, 02:46:PM

Foster going on loan to Watford (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/Article.asp?id=294883)

Besiktas upped Kleberson bid to £2m (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=294890&cpid=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=IMPROVED+BID+FOR+KLEBERSON&channel=premiership)

manutd4eva

28-07-2005, 02:47:PM

Get rid of that cnut!

SlowSilver

28-07-2005, 03:11:PM

Actually, Kleberson was pretty class in the 2nd half.

Daz

28-07-2005, 03:17:PM

don't listen to that fag anyway, he's an ignorant shi't.

ticcan

28-07-2005, 03:40:PM

Sir Alex Ferguson is satisfied with Manchester United's preparation for the new season despite a surprise 2-1 defeat to Kashima Antlers.

The United chief saw his players arguing amongst themselves at the end of the latest leg of their Asian tour but is convinced fitness is the important factor.

"We were slow to start," he told MUTV. "After that, we dominated the game.

"We had an awful lot of chances, they had counter-attacks and we could have lost one or two more, but I'm quite pleased.

"The quality of our game was good, we had a lot of good movement, but hopefully we'll not miss as many as that [when the season starts]. It was a repeat of the cup final [against Arsenal].

"I think we want to take a better percentage [of chances]. We missed some good ones tonight but, overall, I'm not unhappy with the performance.

"Four games in ten days, the important thing is to get this done and prepare for the European game. We need that recovery period after we come back from Japan in order to be 100 percent.

"It'll be a completely different team on Saturday [against Urawa Reds] and when we play Antwerp, it will probably be near my team [for the UEFA Champions League qualifier]."

Ferguson is keen to get Louis Saha more games under his belt but is not counting on Argentinian defender Gabriel Heinze yet.

"In the last year or so, Louis has had an awful lot of injuries," stated Ferguson.

"Not with us. I must say he only had one injury - against Norwich, his calf strain; in the main, the injuries have been with France so hopefully France won't pick him!

"Paul Scholes missed the game with 'flu, I don't know, but he felt a bit heavy today. Kieron Richardson has a calf strain but should be okay for Saturday.

"I'm not considering Gaby [Heinze] for the first European game anyway. We may wait for the second game if we need it. He needs a break, he played right up until the June 30 game against Brazil.

"Wes Brown has started training again and won't be fit probably for two weeks. Roy [Keane] had 45 minutes on Tuesday night and will hopefully get a full game on Saturday [against Walsall] and play against Antwerp."

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=294872&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=Ferguson+still+satisfied&channel=premiership

Fernandez

28-07-2005, 03:42:PM

Sack Fergie, Sell Park.

I can't believe you Dennis. The first part is understandable but not the second part. Give him 1/2 to 1 season to prove himself.

untouchable

28-07-2005, 03:45:PM

We have to understand, our players are getting almost zero rest, going on plane after plane, doing training session after training session then they jump right into matches with teams who are in their mid season and fully fit.

Not to mention Antlers are the best team in the J-League at the moment. That match really isn't a reflection on our season to come I'm sure.

Help?

28-07-2005, 03:57:PM

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This is weird, Gary and Scholesy going to nightclubs. Honestly they look really out of place =P
yeah, lol. They do look kind of out of place. Look at Smith, you could see his hungry eyes waiting just to get sometime in private. And Rio looks like a frigin shaved Snoop Dogg.

About the game, why do you all get so mad about the result. It's not like those teams are easy to beat, especially in that kind of wether. Plus keep in mind that it's a lot easier to play against a countries select in those conditions than a top team there. A top team would have players playing together for a very long time and they all know each other very well, plus there is much more desire to win against a big team, when you are surrounded with players that you practically grew up with. That's how it is in China i believe, all the players start at about the age of 5 and they almost live together training and only seeing there parents on like weekend. It's all desire to win and United's poor finishing because of the conditions i am sure.

pullstones_jr

28-07-2005, 04:04:PM

Don't worry about the preseason loss, its happened to the best of us :)

Andrejs

28-07-2005, 04:07:PM

No one is angry or too worried about it(hopefuly) , always feels bad to lose a winable match, though.

Nuno

28-07-2005, 04:10:PM

Don't sweat it. It's only a preseason game. Real Madrid had the same problem, and did you see the Chicago Fire yesterday. They outplayed AC Milan for most of the match and only lost because they couldn't finish.

shokz

28-07-2005, 04:49:PM

Ruud shouting at Rio (H)(Y)
Ruud should've smacked the wobbly-gobbed twat hard into his fat lip, it would've been totally justified in my opinion seeing as Ferdinand thought it was right to give the people who pay his wages the 'V' sign, the prick.

ticcan

28-07-2005, 05:31:PM

heard there was an minor earthquake during the first-half of the match. :|That must have been scary.

SlowSilver

28-07-2005, 06:00:PM

It was 150 miles outside of Tokyo. It measured 3 on the ricter scale.

rhizome17

28-07-2005, 09:11:PM

Haha

Fegie vs. Keane
Ruud vs. Rio

Whats next?

(H)

untouchable

28-07-2005, 09:13:PM

Lord knows, Half the team have a damn chip on their shoulders. :boohoo:

ticcan

28-07-2005, 09:24:PM

Ferdinand on shaky ground as problems rise in the East
From Oliver Kay in Tokyo

AN EARTHQUAKE measuring 5.1 on the Richter scale was the least of Manchester United’s worries last night as an arduous pre-season tour of Asia took two significant turns for the worse. As if revelations of a confrontation between Bryan Glazer and irate supporters earlier in the week were not damaging enough, it was later alleged that Rio Ferdinand had stuck up two fingers at travelling fans who verbally abused him after the team’s 2-1 defeat by Kashima Antlers in Tokyo.
United officials denied any knowledge of the incident last night. Ferdinand did not respond to a message left for him at the team hotel, but, even if unproven, the allegation, made by a reporter and fans who claimed to have witnessed the incident, is harmful at a time when the club is coming under growing criticism from supporters angered by the Glazer family’s takeover and by Ferdinand’s refusal to sign a new contract worth upwards of £100,000 a week.

Ferdinand was booed by a small group of supporters — English, not Japanese — and also involved in a slanging match with Ruud van Nistelrooy at the final whistle, who in turn was guilty of a violent challenge on an opponent in the closing stages.

The Ferdinand chants escalated in the post-match ceremony, when they crudely informed him that he was no longer welcome at the club. At that point he merely glared at the fans in question, but it was alleged that his patience had snapped when the abuse continued during the team’s warm-down 15 minutes later.

Ferdinand cut short a post-match interview inside the stadium when asked about the abuse he has received from supporters throughout United’s pre-season programme, but Alan Smith addressed the issue on his team-mate’s behalf. “Rio’s fine,” the striker said. “He will make his own mind up when he wants to sign his contract. That’s got nothing to do with me or any of the rest of the players. It ’s up to Rio. He’s said he wants to stay with us and I’m sure he’ll do that.”

Ferdinand’s willingness to stay for the remaining two years of his present deal is not in question, but his refusal to sign the enormous contract offered to him has infuriated many, including Sir Alex Ferguson, who has stripped him of the vice-captaincy. Earlier this month, before the team left for Asia, he was visited at his Cheshire home by a group of fans wearing balaclavas and demanding an explanation for his failure to sign a new deal.

In the unpopularity stakes, Ferdinand is surpassed only by the Glazers, whose £790 million takeover has caused severe disenchantment and hostility among fans. Bryan Glazer, one of the three brothers elected to the board as a non-executive director, has enjoyed witnessing the United phenomenon at first hand in the Far East, but it emerged that he had been interrogated by three supporters who forced their way into the VIP area after the club’s match in Beijing on Tuesday.

With David Gill, the chief executive, and fellow directors watching awkwardly, Glazer was asked by one supporter why the family had been unwilling to meet supporters earlier this month, when they visited Manchester for the first time since the takeover. Glazer is understood to have retained his composure, saying “all in good time” and that the family should be judged “in a year’s time”, rather than now.

The wisdom of the Glazer takeover, though, is already in question, with the club’s huge popularity in the Far East, on which part of their aggressive business plan is based, under threat. United were watched by only 24,223 fans in Beijing on Tuesday — a figure that Gill admitted was “disappointing” — and, while the crowd in Tokyo was a healthy 40,197, there were about 4,000 empty seats as well as a few murmurs of discontent when it was announced that Paul Scholes, Wayne Rooney, Smith and Van Nistelrooy would not start.

As such, a 2-1 defeat by Kashima Antlers, the J-League leaders, was no shock — not compared to the quake, during the first half, that drew gasps from the crowd but seemed to go unnoticed on the pitch — while most spectators seemed appeased by the dazzling form of Cristiano Ronaldo. But United are not a happy ship with Roy Keane at odds with Ferguson, Van Nistelrooy out of sorts and Ferdinand rivalling the Glazers as public enemy No 1 .

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,27-1712791,00.html

Great. Just what we need. Im really not optimistic over the coming season. Not only do we have on the field problems, but now even mentally our team seems abit off. And that hasnt been the case in recent times.. fergie needs to sort this out. These two are a big worry, rios loyalty and ruuds form. :nape:

mnj2x

29-07-2005, 10:24:AM

man...are we gonna have repeat of last season
whats up with all these arguements & fights...we will neva be able to win anythin if this carries on.Ruud has to cool it...its pre season and hes gettin involved in unnecessary sh*t. It hasnt been a gd asia tour 4 him but that doesnt mean he can go around venting his frustrations on the asian players

ticcan

29-07-2005, 11:00:AM

We have Debrecen / Hajduk in our 3rd round CL qualifying draw.

AberdeenFC

29-07-2005, 11:26:AM

houston3721

29-07-2005, 11:42:AM

Rio Ferdinand makes me sick. to be honest it should be made illegal to even offer a footballer half that money cause they dont deserve it. train for a bit durin the day then home for about 2pm... then have a wee game of football at the end of the week :|

its disgusting, think about how much money doctors and surgeons while saving lifes compared to guys like ferdinand! :s***:
Its the society which makes the players (esp the football stars) so different. The money they earn in one week is even more than someone's annual wage...

However they have to pay huge tax and their career lasts for a short time...

Btw, that no.10 striker played really well, scored the brilliant volley.

Andrejs

29-07-2005, 12:00:PM

However they have to pay huge tax and their career lasts for a short time...

Aww, poor Rio has to to pay higher taxes then a regular working class "scumbag" who actually gives something to the society :(

I bet he can't even afford an apple...no wonder he missed the drug test, public trasnport these days :nape:

houston3721

29-07-2005, 12:01:PM

Haha
Fans in England more devouted. Agreed. But most of the fans from SG are fvcking gloryhunters from the remote east. People from Indonesia, China, Japon, Malaysia you name it theyre all United Fans.
How can you label the fans of different clubs from the east and also the new country Japon? I am from Hong Kong, a small city in China, and i m a fan of United. Why are most of the fans here gloryhunters?
Thats all your discrimination and preconception.

Andrejs

29-07-2005, 12:08:PM

I am from Hong Kong, a small city in China

Haha, Hong Kong is bigger then the baltic states put togheter :D

Fernandez

29-07-2005, 12:22:PM

We are gonna play Debrecen/Hadjuk Split. Debrecen have a 3-0 advantage over Hadjuk. I can remember a time when we played a CL qualifier in Hungary. :rolleyes:

untouchable

29-07-2005, 01:15:PM

If we can't beat a f*ckin Hungarian team then I dont know what to believe.

ngyc

29-07-2005, 02:19:PM

If we can't beat a f*ckin Hungarian team then I dont know what to believe.

if we can't qualify to CL, we're going to f*ck ourselves

Scotto

29-07-2005, 02:27:PM

Just to change the subject has anyone got a video of Roy Keane's tackle on Alf Inge Haaland. The one where Haaland claimed it ended his career.

Fernandez

29-07-2005, 02:45:PM

If we can't beat a f*ckin Hungarian team then I dont know what to believe.

We didn't beat a Hungarian team three seasons ago.

ticcan

29-07-2005, 03:17:PM

We didn't beat a Hungarian team three seasons ago.

At least we still beaten them on aggregate. Well f*ck won't want a repeat of that 1-0 loss though.

But this time it different though we are playing the first leg at home.

Daz

29-07-2005, 03:21:PM

omg stop being so f'ucking negative! we've got to be more confident ffs!

untouchable

29-07-2005, 04:37:PM

Look, we have no control over the first team, so we might as well sit back and enjoy the football. The only way we will know if our team has what it takes, is to watch and support them to the fullest this season...come on August 13th!

ticcan

29-07-2005, 06:54:PM

Quieroz defends Rio. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4728729.stm) :boohoo:

C.Ronaldo said he could sign his new 5-year contract next week (http://www.teamtalk.com/teamtalk/News/Story_Page/0,7760,1778_598253,00.html) :)

Phil said Fergie want to keep him (http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/05/07/29/SOCCER_Man_Utd_Neville.html&TEAMHD=soccer)

I rather sell Phil and Kleberson and buy Ballack.

ericstarkid

29-07-2005, 08:15:PM

i would keep phil and sell kleb and buy ballack

untouchable

29-07-2005, 08:47:PM

If we buy Ballack, he will command the ball 90% of the time, and with players like Rooney, Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes, Keane, Park who all need the ball to be productive, I dont think it'll work out.

We're better off going for team players, or trying to improve the players we have. Kleberson is not a defensive midfielder or a winger, he's a midfield playmaker, so I dont know why Ferg keeps giving him defensive duties. All he has to do is increase the pace of his game and his strength and he could be a great stand in for Scholes in my opinion. Phil Neville is good for one thing: Destroying. He's a midfield destroyer, only good for hacking down incoming attacking players..not that he's really effective. That's why he did so well against Vieira, he constantly tackled the crap out of him, virtually nullifying Arsenal. If he was actually talented, he could've been a Makelele type player for us...ah well sell his ass.

Jones is a midfield commander, but due to the players ahead of him, he doesn't take the game by the scruff of the neck...yet. He needs some time in the first team so he can gather the balls to take control of matches, something he does so well. Fletcher needs to improve his short passes too.

Has anyone else noticed how good Ronaldo is playing of late? He's thinking about the team first now, crossing well, passing well, playing one-two passes...great stuff. All he has to do is chip in with the scoring and we'll be good.