here's Kovac where you'll see him most of the time:
http://www.juventus.com/FE_images/fotogallery/voghera_juve_gall/zoom/22.jpg
Considering Thuram's age he should get some playing time.

of course, he'll play when we rest Canna and Lilian. He's got the whole Coppa Italia for himself too. He's gonna get some games for sure.

For some reason I feel for Kovac. Seems like Bayern just kicked him out. I just hope he fits into their system and gets some starts. Looks a bit weird seeing him in a Juve jerseys. He's still sporting the red Bayern-colored boots though. :)

They all come back, sooner or later.. :jambo: (6)

Magath in a explusive interview for FCBAYERN.DE


Interview: Felix Magath

fcbayern.de: Felix Magath, your four days in Bonn are coming to an end. What shape is the team in, four days ahead of the League Cup semi-final, their first competitive match?

Felix Magath: "The players who've been with me for three weeks already are in very good shape, but the seven who only arrived back here at the training camp have some catching up to do. They'll need to work hard and make up the ground on the others as fast as possible."

fcbayern.de: What's your impression of the players who only returned this week?

Magath: "They obviously enjoyed their holidays, and they've come back in good spirits. Everyone's delighted we're up to full strength again at last and focusing on our common goals together."

fcbayern.de: Michael Ballack's potential contract extension has made the headlines over the last few days. What influence can you bring to bear on whether he stays in Munich beyond 2006?

Magath: "I'm staying well out of the way for the most part. That's Uli Hoeneß and Karl-Heinz Rummenigge's business. I'm sure they'll achieve the very best result for this football club. Obviously, I speak to Michael now and then, and I use our conversations to try and persuade him to remain with us for a good few seasons yet."

fcbayern.de: Oliver Kahn is out of contract next summer, but the 36-year-old says he wants to keep on playing after that. Will he sign an extension at Bayern?

Magath: "I'm not sure he himself has an answer to that question yet. He'll wait and see what happens over the next few months."

fcbayern.de: You have three new faces in your squad: Ali Karimi, Valérien Ismael and Andreas Ottl. How are they doing?

Magath: "All three have settled in very quickly. There haven't been any major problems, not even for Ali Karimi. I think they're all feeling good."

fcbayern.de: You have a first real test on Tuesday in the League Cup semi-final. Can you say what your line-up will look like?

Magath: "Not yet. The players who only returned this week are well short of full fitness. One or two of them will end up on the subs' bench. It'll be a rather different line-up compared to the team for the Bundesliga opener against Monchengladbach."

fcbayern.de: Good luck to you and your players for the League Cup and the return to the Bundesliga action."

We will play Stuttgart in the League Cup semi final game on Tuesday.


MUNICH, Germany (AP) - Bayern Munich reported a record income of €180 million (US$218 million) last season and returned to profitability last season.

Club manager Uli Hoeness told Kicker Magazine that success on the pitch led to a €6.5 million (US$7.9 million) profit for the 2004-2005 season.

The income was a 12 percent increase over 2003-2004, when Bayern reported income of €166.3 million (US$200 million) but lost €3.4 million (US$4.1 million).

Under new coach Felix Magath, Bayern bounced back last season and won the Bundesliga and German Cup titles. It also reached the Champions League quarterfinals following two years of first round exits.

Hoeness said sponsorship deals also boosted income. The club originally expected to lose money due to the expensive signings of Brazilian international Lucio and German international Torsten Frings.

for Pizarro14 who wanted pics of Kovac in a Juve jersey.

here's Kovac playing:
http://www.juventus.com/FE_images/fotogallery/voghera_juve_gall/zoom/16.jpg

here's Kovac where you'll see him most of the time:
http://www.juventus.com/FE_images/fotogallery/voghera_juve_gall/zoom/22.jpg



thank you mark he does look sweet in that jersey but he is going to be a bench warmer lol goodluck in 05-06

Yeh he looks pretty good in the juve jersey, too bad hell be riding pine most of the time.

New plan for signing Ballack: contract until 2010 with an annual salary of €6,5M + €10M cash now for extending.

Does Lucio have pretty much an untouchable status at Bayern? Would 20-25million Euros plus a player interest you guys in the least bit?

Untouchable. He's one of the top 5 defenders out there and at good age.

1a) Lucio
1b) Nesta

1a) Nesta
1b) Lucio





Interchangeable in my books.

I'd throw John Terry in the same mist too.

Ferdinand, Terry, Lucio, Nesta and Puyol (not in order)

Yeah, and how can we forget King Cordoba?


*thinking of Cordoba naked....grooves on that thought*


sweet...... :hump:

Sick :kader:

New plan for signing Ballack: contract until 2010 with an annual salary of €6,5M + €10M cash now for extending.

That is SICK! 6.5 million per year means that Ballack will be getting weekly paycheques of roughly €125,000. Every week, he can buy himself a new car!!

They're all living their dreams :boohoo:

According to Bild Ballack will be making $43 Million for four years!
Thats just crazy... they should let him go, seriously. For that money I'll let him go for $20 million and buy Aimar.

Did you guys ever think that some of the money may come from sponsorships etc? :nape:

Did you guys ever think that some of the money may come from sponsorships etc? :nape:

Did you ever think that that money could be better spent? :rolleyes:

Ballack is the best and most popular German player in a huge market. You can't imagine how much Bayern makes with commercials including Ballack or selling jerseys with his name on the back.

You can't replace such a guy with Aimar whose name most people have never heard before. And if you pay about 20M for Aimar and give him a four year contract it's not much a difference.

Kahn makes €5M at the moment by the way.

Really?
I think Ballack never lived up to expectations at Bayern anyways. He might do well for Germany NT but does average at best in Bayern.
Anyways, as far as him being a name player that sells, well then that's all he's become now unfortunately.
Reminds of a Japanase player (not Nakata) that played somewhere and they named him "The Shirt" because all he was good for to sell shirts to (Japanese) fans. :)

As for Aimar, I never said to buy him for $20 million.. I meant that Ballack should be sold for that much and buy Aimar for alot less. Aimar is probably worth only $10 Million or less right now.

Aimar is probably worth only $10 Million or less right now.


You're having a laugh :|


:rofl:

You're having a laugh :|

:rofl:

You think he's worth more?
After his failure to secure a starting spot in Valencia after 3 years, you think he's still worth the money Valencia payed for? I seriously doubt it.
Anyways if you got offended by that comment, you shouldnt have because that price doesn't reflect on how good Aimar is.. hence my opinion of getting him would be a good buy. Duh.

Really?
I think Ballack never lived up to expectations at Bayern anyways. He might do well for Germany NT but does average at best in Bayern.
Anyways, as far as him being a name player that sells, well then that's all he's become now unfortunately.

Duh, name me a midfielder that gives you 15-20 goals a season. I agree he was average but only in the first months, he was class in the second half of the year.

He scored more goals than Pizza. :fool:

Still though 43 million for 4 years (including comercial deals) is a hell lot more than he is worth. He can sell jerseys, he can be a symbol but he aint no Mathaus, no Effenberg, no Scholl. If you get my point i want to say that i would care less how famous we are in the market, all i care is winning in Europe. He is not enough of a lider in the team.
I would be the first to be dissapointed by his departure but if it is for a good cause id live with it. Aimar is no lider eather, there are few players like that around and unfortunately for us Ballack semifullfits that position...

Duh, name me a midfielder that gives you 15-20 goals a season. I agree he was average but only in the first months, he was class in the second half of the year.

He scored more goals than Pizza. :fool:

Ballack has been in Bayern for more than "the second half of the year - (when) he was class" He's been there for quite a few years... and my opinion still stands, he's been average at best for Bayern throughout all those years, and with many times doing really bad.

What's the point of comparing Pizarro to ballack? :rolleyes: Needless to say, Pizarro has been injured.. but you already know that.

My point is, that money could be better spent somewhere else or on another player. Hell, i'd rather see that money on youth or scouts.. rather than this average player.

Still though 43 million for 4 years (including comercial deals) is a hell lot more than he is worth.

Exactly my point.

Why not save this money and buy Podolski? Now that would be a better investment.

Still though 43 million for 4 years (including comercial deals) is a hell lot more than he is worth. He can sell jerseys, he can be a symbol but he aint no Mathaus, no Effenberg, no Scholl. If you get my point i want to say that i would care less how famous we are in the market, all i care is winning in Europe. He is not enough of a lider in the team.
I would be the first to be dissapointed by his departure but if it is for a good cause id live with it. Aimar is no lider eather, there are few players like that around and unfortunately for us Ballack semifullfits that position...
You think our chances of winning the CL would be increased by selling him? (C) We wouldn't be getting a better player than him. The article I posted yesterday stated that we made profit in the past year so we don't need the money. The club officials knows what we can afford and what wages fit the players worth to the club.

What's the point of comparing Pizarro to ballack? :rolleyes: Needless to say, Pizarro has been injured.. but you already know that.
Well you're calling a player average that scored more goals as a midfielder than our class striker. This doesn't work. Both played roughly the same amount of games.


Why not save this money and buy Podolski? Now that would be a better investment.
Bayern will buy him next year, regardless of the peanuts coming off a possible Ballack transfer.

Well you're calling a player average that scored more goals as a midfielder than our class striker. This doesn't work. Both played roughly the same amount of games.


You're not taking into consideration the mentality within Bayern. Makaay HAS to score all the goals (because of all the money they invested in this old guy) and Ballack is next man in line, including penalties. Hmm you have to wonder how many penalties Makaay has kicked when the actual foul was committed on Pizarro, endless. And even when Makaay didnt take those penalties, Ballack would.
Now to the numbers:

Games Played

Pizarro 23 (BL) 7 (CL) 5 (DFB) = 35
Ballack 27 (BL) 9 (CL) 4 (DFB) = 40

Goals Scored

Pizarro 11 (BL) 4 (CL) 6 (DFB) = 21
Ballack 13 (BL) 2 (CL) 3 (DFB) = 18

Now, also you DO realize that Pizarro wasn't always a starter right? So if we went by minutes, the differece would be HUGE in minutes being played.

You see how retarded was to compare both players?

The fact we made a profit doesn't necesarily mean we have to be spendthrifters (Spelling?). Why not use that money in 2-3 promising youngsters. Lets say 40 million euros in sign and loan deals is a fortune for the upcoming years. Its a win win situation, something like what happened with Lahm. Ballack will benefit too since he said he wants to play Europe i think his motivation will lack a little. He will perform miraculously if let go somewhere else because he would have to prove something. At Bayern he is a stable starter and he considers it already old story. In that way we get a very well prepared captain for the 2006 WC.
Than you said it before we have already the players that would fill his spot and perform at the same level, probably even a little better.

18 goals in 40 games is just amazing for a midfielder.

18 goals in 40 games is just amazing for a midfielder.

O yeah is also 1 million euros per game.

Ballack is worth every penny that we can possibly spend on him. Bayern MUST keep him at Allianz Arena. He is currently in his prime years or at least nearing his prime years, which means that he will become a legend. If you ask me, I want a legend at Bayern, don't you? Scholl, Matthaus, Effenberg were probably the same at Ballack's age, but they develop. And also, a World Cup builds a star, and hmmm... isn't there one just around the corner, in 2006?? Isn't it also hosted by Ballack's home country, Germany? Ballack will be the star of this tournament, and if we get rid of him, then we will NOT win the Champions League.

My point is that he is turning from star into superstar very slowly, but he will become one. Michael Ballack will live up to expectations plus more.

We keep him, we win the Champions League and his expenses will basically be paid off, plus we still have him for a few more seasons.

Why can't you people get it? He is a star! Just like Klinsmann was, just like Haessler was, just like Basler was, Moller, etc etc... the next in line is Ballack... then maybe Schweinsteiger, but Ballack is NEXT. He MUST prove himself NOW and that is why we need to keep him at Bayern, regardless of the money we must give away.

18 goals in 40 games is just amazing for a midfielder.

Yeah, its not bad considering Salihadmejic had 5 goals and Ze Roberto 2 goals all year.
I'm not saying Ballack is a bad player.. i'm saying he's an everage player especially if you take into account all the years he's been playing in Bayern. To think of him highly because of the second half of the year is just rediculous. He scored alot of goals because Sali and Ze Roberto had OFF years and thank God Ballack was there to score them.
BUT again, I reiterate, with all this mind, do you really think he's worth THAT MUCH MONEY? Of course not. He's been average at best throughout his years at Bayern.

Ballack is worth every penny that we can possibly spend on him. Bayern MUST keep him at Allianz Arena. He is currently in his prime years or at least nearing his prime years, which means that he will become a legend. If you ask me, I want a legend at Bayern, don't you? Scholl, Matthaus, Effenberg were probably the same at Ballack's age, but they develop.

Your legend player was just about to leave for a few more pennies. You think he really cares about Bayern? Hell, when it comes to loyalty, Matthaus is number 1.. and hear me when I say this, BALLACK WILL NEVER BE MATTHAUS.

My point is that he is turning from star into superstar very slowly

In the condition that German football is in general i think waiting is just retarded. We dont have all the time in the world to wait and neather does Ballack to become a legend. I reming you he is already 29 years old. (C)

peruytu, I can't believe what you are saying.

Ballack is one of the best midfielders in the world and you are calling him average ?

He is the farthest thing from average.

You're even trying to make excuses :
He scored alot of goals because Sali and Ze Roberto had OFF years and thank God Ballack was there to score them.

Come On man.

peruytu, I can't believe what you are saying.

Ballack is one of the best midfielders in the world and you are calling him average ?

He is the farthest thing from average.

You're even trying to make excuses :


Come On man.

Yeah man, he's average at best.

I'm not making excuses... you can see what he's done for Bayern all these years (not just the second half of the year this past season) and they add up to nothing.
Point is (for the 10th time), money could be better spent and youth, or players his level but who are worth alot less.
Besides, he's only "world class" when he plays for the German NT... for that he probably would give his all, but for Bayern, it has been proven that he was ready to leave for a few extra pennies. We can do with better players, trust me.

Excuse me, but wasn't Effenberg 33 or 34 when he led us to the Champions League? Wasn't Lothar almost 40? And don't tell me he isn't worth it because that's garbage. He's the face of the club and one of the absolute best players in the world. Don't bring your athlete jealousy into this because looking at the market for a player like Ballack, he's worth that kind of money, and probably even more.

You talking to me?

You're not taking into consideration the mentality within Bayern. Makaay HAS to score all the goals (because of all the money they invested in this old guy) and Ballack is next man in line, including penalties. Hmm you have to wonder how many penalties Makaay has kicked when the actual foul was committed on Pizarro, endless. And even when Makaay didnt take those penalties, Ballack would.
Now to the numbers:

Games Played

Pizarro 23 (BL) 7 (CL) 5 (DFB) = 35
Ballack 27 (BL) 9 (CL) 4 (DFB) = 40

Goals Scored

Pizarro 11 (BL) 4 (CL) 6 (DFB) = 21
Ballack 13 (BL) 2 (CL) 3 (DFB) = 18

Now, also you DO realize that Pizarro wasn't always a starter right? So if we went by minutes, the differece would be HUGE in minutes being played.

You see how retarded was to compare both players?
Uh when was Pizarro not a starter apart from his inuries? Santa Cruz was injured the whole season, Guerrero played when either Claudio or Makaay where injured or as came as a sub. Penalties or not, you can't call Ballack average he scored 18 goals in 40 games a MIDFIELDER!!!!


Makaay HAS to score all the goals (because of all the money they invested in this old guy)
This was the best signing in years, he is worth every penny of the 20M and he can play for 4,5 more years on this level because he relies more on his goal instinct than on anything else.

Your legend player was just about to leave for a few more pennies. You think he really cares about Bayern? Hell, when it comes to loyalty, Matthaus is number 1.. and hear me when I say this, BALLACK WILL NEVER BE MATTHAUS.

Who said anything about loyalty? Once he signs, he SIGNS! I couldn't care less if he is loyal or not, but he will be to some point. He won't just play for the hell of it. If he signs, he signed for a reason!

To change the topic, the fans can vote on the new entrance music and goals sounds on the German version of fcb.de.

Star Wars Theme (http://wmt.fcbayern1.t-bn.de/ondemand/fcbayern1/ab/track10.wma)

Entrance of the Gladiators (http://wmt.fcbayern1.t-bn.de/ondemand/fcbayern1/ab/track08.wma)

Independence Day Theme (http://wmt.fcbayern1.t-bn.de/ondemand/fcbayern1/ab/track09.wma)

Triumphmarsch aus Aida (http://wmt.fcbayern1.t-bn.de/ondemand/fcbayern1/aida_triumphal_march.wma)

Pirates of the Caribbean Theme (currently leading) (http://wmt.fcbayern1.t-bn.de/ondemand/fcbayern1/ab/track07.wma)

goal sounds:

FC Bayern - immer wieder (http://wmt.fcbayern1.t-bn.de/ondemand/fcbayern1/ab/track06.wma)

Japadapadu (http://wmt.fcbayern1.t-bn.de/ondemand/fcbayern1/ab/track01.wma)

Overture from Carmen feat. Edi Finger (http://wmt.fcbayern1.t-bn.de/ondemand/fcbayern1/ab/track04.wma)

Zillerthaler Hochzeitsmarsch :fluffy: (http://wmt.fcbayern1.t-bn.de/ondemand/fcbayern1/ab/track03.wma)

"Music" from John Miles (currently leading) (http://wmt.fcbayern1.t-bn.de/ondemand/fcbayern1/ab/track02.wma)

Pirates of the Carribean for entrance!! :rockman:

Who wants Star Wars music playing as Ballack, Lucio, and Makaay run onto the field :rolleyes:

Did you ever think that that money could be better spent? :rolleyes:
You completely missed the point you jackass. My point was that not all that money could be coming from Bayern's pockets, it could be from outside sponsorships etc. ****in read properly before jumping into the fire with your sarcastic bull****.

And money better spent? Are you stupid? I swear some of you people play too much FM2005. D'Alessandro is good yes, but he's no Ballack. You just dont dump Ballack and drop D'Alessandro in there and think all will be well... In Ballack you have a tall, strong, technichally gifted player in your ranks who basically runs your team, and you talk about money better spent? Go back to fifa on your playstation wee boy.

Effenberg retires as a player :(

memorable moments in pictures:
http://www.sport1.de/coremedia/generator/www.sport1.de/Diashows/Fussball/2004/fus_20effenberg_20abschiedsspiel_202407_20sli.html

So Long Effenberg :nape:

Effenberg was a legend! I will never forget his commitment in 2001 and his strive to get Bayern that long-wanted Champions League trophy.

Ssshhhhh...don't tell the other Madridistas, but I'd rather have Ballack now and worry about Robinho in a year or two(for much cheaper).

Becks-----Gravesen----Ballack
-----------Zizou-------------

Solid midfield!!!

Maybe you want Kahn, too, as a striker?

Maybe you want Kahn, too, as a striker?



i posted that in the real thread also
imo ballack could play that position. he did it for the nationalteam in the wc 2002. also with a roberto carlos behind him ballack does not have to make the complete offensive game of real on this side, so he has the option to go into the middle/into the penalty area to score.
so it´s not the badest position for ballack.

It might not the worst position for him but you can find better players to fill in that role. I expect a left midfielder to run the side up and down and to make crosses. If you have Ballack you have to play him in the middle otherwise you're wasting his talent.

This can be a long time till Ballack makes his decision, the club has not given him a specific date, he canw ait until early 2006.

Maybe you want Kahn, too, as a striker?


It's sad that you don't understand the position. He wouldn't be a winger like Ze Roberto. He would be a CMF on the left.

Check it out....

-----------------Casillas----------------
----------Helguera-----Samuel----------
Salgado-------------------------R.Carlos
----------------Gravesen---------------
Beckham------------------Ballack-------
---------------Zidane-------------------
---------Ronaldo--------Raul------------

Notice how the left is open for RC. His position would be similar to Deco's/Xavi's in Barcelona.

It might not the worst position for him but you can find better players to fill in that role. I expect a left midfielder to run the side up and down and to make crosses.


you are sure right about that.

But:

If you have Ballack you have to play him in the middle otherwise you're wasting his talent.


Ballacks strength is neither to be a playmaker who claims every ball nor to be a number 6 who stops every attack of the opponet (like jeremies was in his prime). [just look at ballacks biggest year in his career 2002 at leverkusen: Ramelow played behind hime as the number 6, bastürk in front of him as a number 10 behind the strikers] So Ballack doesn´t have a certain role in teh game. In every game there are phases you don´t see him at all and then he scores a important goal or makes a great pass. if he does that on a central or a left central position in the midfield is imo irrelevant.

It's sad that you don't understand the position. He wouldn't be a winger like Ze Roberto. He would be a CMF on the left.

Check it out....

-----------------Casillas----------------
----------Helguera-----Samuel----------
Salgado-------------------------R.Carlos
----------------Gravesen---------------
Beckham------------------Ballack-------
---------------Zidane-------------------
---------Ronaldo--------Raul------------

Notice how the left is open for RC. His position would be similar to Deco's/Xavi's in Barcelona.



yes that´s the position i thought up for ballack also
i think he´s perfect for that, especially with a RC in the back

you are sure right about that.

But:



Ballacks strength is neither to be a playmaker who claims every ball nor to be a number 6 who stops every attack of the opponet (like jeremies was in his prime). [just look at ballacks biggest year in his career 2002 at leverkusen: Ramelow played behind hime as the number 6, bastürk in front of him as a number 10 behind the strikers] So Ballack doesn´t have a certain role in teh game. In every game there are phases you don´t see him at all and then he scores a important goal or makes a great pass. if he does that on a central or a left central position in the midfield is imo irrelevant.

Even better. CMF is the postion I'm suggesting he would play. You pretty much agree with me by saying that position is where he had the most success.

yes that´s the position i thought up for ballack also
i think he´s perfect for that, especially with a RC in the back

You typed quicker than me...... (Y) We are in total agreement. I really hope we get Ballack. At least he's proven. I'm a bit worried about Robinho.

Good Discussion (Y)


How much do you guys think Ballack has left in his tank. He's soon to be 29. Do you think he'll be able to play at a World-Class level for 4 more years?

Good Discussion (Y)


How much do you guys think Ballack has left in his tank. He's soon to be 29. Do you think he'll be able to play at a World-Class level for 4 more years?

I think so. Figo, Zidane, and Beckham were at similar ages when we bought them. Ballack would be class in our midfield. IMO, much more usefull than Robinho.

Well, Bayern vs. Stuttgart kicked off about half an hour ago.

It's the League Cup Semi Final for those who don't know. The game is played in Munich's Allianz Arena in front of 40,000 fans.

The game got off to a good start for Bayern, and in the 18th minute Hildebrand spilled the ball and Makaay was there to score. 1-0!

However, two minutes later, Thomas Hitzelsperger scored a cracker from 30 meters out!!! So it is currently 1-1.

Michael Rensing is playing for Bayern as Kahn is having back problems. Also, Ballack is sidelined as well. Magath wants him to be fit for the Japan tour. For Stuttgart, Jon Dahl Tomasson is starting on the bench.

It was just measured that Hitzelsperger's shot from 30 meters out went at a speed of 125 km/h!!! :jambo:

That clearly was Rensing's fault. I don't blame him, he's young and he can make mistakes he just has to learn.

It's sad that you don't understand the position. He wouldn't be a winger like Ze Roberto. He would be a CMF on the left.

Check it out....

-----------------Casillas----------------
----------Helguera-----Samuel----------
Salgado-------------------------R.Carlos
----------------Gravesen---------------
Beckham------------------Ballack-------
---------------Zidane-------------------
---------Ronaldo--------Raul------------

Notice how the left is open for RC. His position would be similar to Deco's/Xavi's in Barcelona.
Alright, I'm convinced.


How much do you guys think Ballack has left in his tank. He's soon to be 29. Do you think he'll be able to play at a World-Class level for 4 more years?
Yep definitely; his passing, his heading abilities and his shoot technique have nothing to do with age.

Also guys, the officials today made clear that the talks with Ballack won't start in the next days or during the Japan trip. If Ballack is leaving Bayern then it's after this season, the Bundesliga already starts next week and there is no way that such a guy will be sold during the season.

Real could get him for free next year.

Well, as long as the transfer window is open, there's always a chance.

Damn Stuttgart beat us 2-1 and we lost the first real game at the arena. Just a few minutes after Tomasson was subbed in he easily got past our defenders and assisted the goal. This scene was like 1 minute after Makaay missed his first penalty in his Bayern career. Bad luck. Santa Cruz really took the sh*t, he had million 100% chances but could not capitalize. Then he lost the ball which led to the counter attack and the deciding goal. The fans were chanting "Pizarro oh oh" lol he came in later.

Ballack was rested for the Japan tour. The team will fly to Asia this night and play some games there and do marketing stuff. The club earns €2M.

Congrats Trappatoni... nice start.

god da**it..Congrats Stuttgart, Santa Cruz :nape:

I just knew this would happen after Makaay's penalty miss. We just had really bad luck today. Stuttgart were very lucky, especially with that tying goal from Hitzelsperger. That should NOT have happened!!! :kader:

Pizarro being subbed in the 2nd half was a slap in the face



Santa Cruz can go rot in a mid table team his skills are vanishing every year and those injuries aren't helping him.

Pizarro being subbed in the 2nd half was a slap in the face


What do you expect, he was injured in the last week and couldn't train with the team.

What do you expect, he was injured in the last week and couldn't train with the team.


Ok Vince maybe ur right :p i been gone from the SG'S lol so BUFU :( lol



but what about Guerrero? Santa cruz just won't be the same as he was 2-3 years ago

anybody has the highlights of the game?
i missed it.
and i would love to see ex 1860 player stranzl kick your ass in th 90. minute :D

anybody has the highlights of the game?
i missed it.
and i would love to see ex 1860 player stranzl kick your ass in th 90. minute :D


i found the goals on http://www.soccerclips.net/uploadhttp.php

With Madrid close to signing Baptista the Ballack rumors should come to an end. :lui:

A short summary of the press today:

Kahn, Sagnol and Deisler will receive offers for a contract extension in the following weeks.

Makaay can expect an extension until 2011 or 2012.

Wait, aren't Bayern's second team better than Stuttgart? So how is it possible? How can it be? How can Stuttgart beat Bayern? Bayern has more stars! How? Why?.....

F*ckin Fifa Soccer generation...

Wait, aren't Bayern's second team better than Stuttgart?
Nope. :)

F*ckin Fifa Soccer generation...
F*cking Man Yoo fans with an iq of an orange.

Nope. :)


F*cking Man Yoo fans with an iq of an orange.

http://www.german-business-etiquette.com/img/15-german-stereotypes300.jpg http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~german/gif/german1.gif

Say hello to Lars and Ziegfried Vince.

Lars: I come into ManYoo thread to talk bull**** about Chelsea haveeng a bettor second team than Manyoo, HO HO HO

Ziegfried: HO HO HO

Lars:Howevor my team got beaten by a team that just lost it's best striker, and midfielder...HO HO H...wait a meeneet, that ees not funny
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Typical anti United arrogant response, make some pseudo-intellectual IQ remark. Hiding behind that doesn't make you any less stupid.

:|

http://www.german-business-etiquette.com/img/15-german-stereotypes300.jpg>>> :sb9: >>>http://www.englischtext.ch/pics/englaender.gif

Ight now piss off to manChester UNiTed thred and stay there..

I was saying that Chelsea's second unit is more talented than Man United's starting team. Most people would agree with that except some blinded Man U fans.

And that's exactly my point, you are judging us based on the player's name and reputations. A ball hasn't even been kicked yet and already you're writing us off.

And Deisler, mind your own damn business. You dont even know what's going on so cool yer herbs.

Okay I really should stop judging teams on players names and reputations.





























Wigan Athletic for Champions League :clapwap:

Michael Ballack has been named footballer of the year for the third time in his career.

Podolski came second, Marcelinho third.

Felix Magath got the coach of the year award, Mainz' coach Klopp came second.

If it wasn't for the fact that Koln was in bundesliga 2 i think he would have passed Ballack by far.
Marcelinha was a moreconsistent player than Ballack this season i gues he deserved it better.

True. However this award usually goes to a German player, in more than 40 years Ailton was the only foreigner to receive this price.

I think Podolski will win it this season.

The season music for Bayern should be Independent and Lauth Anhoren by Sportfreunde Stiller. The band is from Munich and the lead singer's favourite team is Bayern. They're pretty popular in Europe and in Quebec in Canada.

Ballack could play longer then Zidane or Figo or whoever because of the style of his game and he's better conditioned.



"Wait, aren't Bayern's second team better than Stuttgart? So how is it possible? How can it be? How can Stuttgart beat Bayern? Bayern has more stars! How? Why?.....

F*ckin Fifa Soccer generation..."-untouchable

You're pretty ignorant if you think that. Stuttgart is a pretty good team, maybe you should watch the Bundesliga once in a while. Stuttgart could even beat Manchester United. In a series out of 7 between VFB and Man U, Stuttgart would win at least two games (based on the fact that you have golden goal and no ties).

Treble you are in the wrong topic. This is not Chelsea man. :D

Lauth Anhoren by Sportfreunde Stiller.

1. Lauth=former player of 1860
2. the other two members of the band are 1860 fan like seen here:
http://www.sportfreunde-stiller2.de/image.php?n=1785
:D:D


so that song would not be that appropriate :D

FC Tokyo - FC Bayern 0:4 (0:2)

FC Bayern: Rensing (46. Dreher) - Sagnol (46. Ottl), Lucio (46. Guerrero), Ismael, Hargreaves – Deisler, Demichelis, Jeremies, Ballack – Karimi (65. Salihamidzic), Makaay (46. Pizarro)

Attendance: 23.618

Goals: 0:1 Makaay (19.), 0:2 Lucio (30.), 0:3 Guerrero (74.), 0:4 Salihamidzic (76.)

Good Discussion (Y)

How much do you guys think Ballack has left in his tank. He's soon to be 29. Do you think he'll be able to play at a World-Class level for 4 more years?

Now you're questioning yourself about ballack? You're a joke man...
before you were a Ballack worshipper back when it was cool.. now, you're just another idiot savant.

Anyways, like i give a $hit about ballack.....

Btw, what the fvck happened against stuttgart? I totally missed that game... and anybody have highlights of the 4-0 Bayern beating on FC Tokyo?

Where has our video highlight dude gone?

Now you're questioning yourself about ballack? You're a joke man...
before you were a Ballack worshipper back when it was cool.. now, you're just another idiot savant.


No dumbass.

I am wondering whether he can play at a world-class level for four or five more years.

You are the moron who thinks Bayern should sell him because it gives them a better chance to win. F*ck That.

What the hell are you saying calling me a Ballack Worshipper :funny: ? Look at you, I wouldn't be suprised if you had a shrine for Pizarro. I, unlike you, have logic. All it was, was a question to see the opinion of others.


Go suck off Claudio Pizarro, dumbf*ck.



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Oh, and to real Bayern fans, I am sure Ballack will stay with you guys now that we got Júlio Baptista.

Rusi and Deisler, check your PMs. :(

We'll talk, later this afternoon, I've got an interview in a few minutes (Y)

Oh, and to real Bayern fans, I am sure Ballack will stay with you guys now that we got Júlio Baptista.
Good. Madrid were the only club I was worried about because they could easily double his wages. Sir Alex Ferguson is interested in Ballack too but we can compete with them money wise.


Btw, what the fvck happened against stuttgart? I totally missed that game...

Tough luck and Stuttgart were in better shape.

No dumbass.

I am wondering whether he can play at a world-class level for four or five more years.

You are the moron who thinks Bayern should sell him because it gives them a better chance to win. F*ck That.

What the hell are you saying calling me a Ballack Worshipper :funny: ? Look at you, I wouldn't be suprised if you had a shrine for Pizarro. I, unlike you, have logic. All it was, was a question to see the opinion of others.


Go suck off Claudio Pizarro, dumbf*ck.








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Oh, and to real Bayern fans, I am sure Ballack will stay with you guys now that we got Júlio Baptista.




man thats ******* low rusi i expected alot more from u :( :nape:

I myself have a shrine for Hasan Salihamidzic, I sit naked and worship the bosnian superstar.

Highlight of the Tokyo Game:

http://www.qfile.de/dl/119804/fcbtokyo.wmv.html

Another link same vid though):
http://www.spread-it.com/dl.php?id=1a1162ec85b1d21244d7d3ecba5bc65878b73777

Download, Upload. ;)

Thanks to ISP (www.iransportspress.com) dudes for these linX.

"I myself have a shrine for Hasan Salihamidzic, I sit naked and worship the bosnian superstar."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Tomorrow we play Jubilo Iwata who lost 3-1 to Madrid a few days ago.

Hasan has been scoring lately.....I hope he gets that right mid spot.

I myself have a shrine for Hasan Salihamidzic, I sit naked and worship the bosnian superstar.

Doesn't that go without saying? It's like if I were to say "Everyone in Saudi Arabia has a prayer mat". Seriously, who doesn't do that at their own personal shrine to Salihamidzic?

I'm assuming he himself does not, but who knows.

Jubilo Iwata - FC Bayern 1:3 (1:0)


FC Bayern: Kahn – Sagnol, Lucio, Ismael, Hargreaves – Deisler (53. Ottl), Demichelis, Ballack, Salihamidzic (46. Karimi) - Pizarro, Guerrero

1:0 Maeda (16.), 1:1 Ballack (pen., 55.), 1:2 Guerrero (73.), 1:3 Ballack (83.)

There should be coming a video later today.

And oh yeah, who needs Ballack this mediocre player? (C)

Whats with all the odd asian team names.. Urawa Red Diamonds, Jubilo(im assuming means something to the effect of club)

Whats with all the odd asian team names.. Urawa Red Diamonds, Jubilo(im assuming means something to the effect of club)

What's so weird about the names? :nape:

1st half highlights (http://www.qfile.de/dl/125445/fcb_iwata_1hz.wmv.html)

2nd half highlights (http://www.qfile.de/dl/125497/fcb_iwata_2hz.wmv.html)


Hasan has been scoring lately.....I hope he gets that right mid spot.
Deisler or Karimi will get that spot. Left mid looks more like it at the moment.

What's so weird about the names? :nape:Why not FC Tokyo etc., most teams usually don't have mascot names(red diamonds) in the actual names.

Deisler or Karimi will get that spot. Left mid looks more like it at the moment.

what's the situation with Ze?

Am I the only one who's worried about Schalke giving us even harder competition than last year? Their team could look like this if they complete the signing of Baros and Rafinha.

---------------- Rost ----------

Rafinha --- Bordon -- Krstajic -- Pander

--Asamoah -- Lincoln -- Ernst -- Bajramovic

------- Kuranyi ----------- Baros--------


On paper we should be slightly ahead of them but they also added some depth which was their main weakness.

I wouldn't underestimate Stuttgart, Bremen and Hamburg either. This season will be awesome.

Schalke shouldn't be counting their chickens just yet, we're favorites to land Rafinha, too ....














or not. :(

BVB is favorite to landind no one man

























sadly :(

I wouldn't underestimate Stuttgart, Bremen and Hamburg either. This season will be awesome.

Oh man, this season WILL be awesome! I can hardly wait. Remember 2000/01? That was something!

You never know in the Bundesliga... Bayern are usually always the leaders but the followers keep changing. This year however, Hamburg have improved with a few signings and Schalke look amazing! Stuttgart got a new coach and Bremen can always cause surprises. But also, don't underestimate Hertha BSC, I can see them winning the DFB Pokal or something... maybe... we'll see... i hope not though haha.

Overall, like Vince said, if they sign Rafinha and/or Baros, then we better be careful.

Man, I just watched the highlights of that last game Bayern won 3-1 in Asia. Jubilo Iwata just fell apart after the penalty goal by Ballack.

Haha, Ballack surely showed how to take a penalty when he re-took the initially missed one.

He is a good leader, and Bayern would be completely different without him!! Legend in the making...

Very likely schalke will land baros.. :nape:

Very likely schalke will land baros.. :nape:
I hope so that'd be good for the league.


Bayern manager Uli Hoeneß:

"We have a new stadium this season and we want to build momentum for our club. That was the main reason behind our trip to Asia - and that's why it would be foolish to sell our best player.

At the moment we are behind the top clubs in Europe like Madrid, Milan or Manchester but in a couple of years we will have caught up with them, especially because of our sound financial planning."

Bayern wait on decision from Ballack

After a first round of talks with Michael Ballack and his agent Dr Michael Becker, Bayern are quietly confident of retaining the Germany captain's services beyond the end of his contract in 2006. "We have a more than fair chance of Michael playing for us after next year," Karl-Heinz Rummenigge announced on Monday.

The Munich giants have tabled an initial offer to the player. "We're waiting for an answer, but there's no time pressure," Rummenigge continued. "Michael and his agent weren't born yesterday, and we're not talking about small change here," Uli Hoeneß added, keen to dampen any premature optimism.
fcbayern.de
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God I can't stand this any longer. I hope we will get to know his decision before winterbreak.

What's Uli talking about, since when is Bayern behind Real, I'd say Bayern's ahead of Real Madrid.

You know what pisses me off but makes me happy as well, Schalke can't afford Baros even though he's 6 million and they finished 2nd last year. Shows that the financial situation isn't up to top standards in Germany which pisses me off. The good thing though is that Schalke couldn't get Baros and though their still a good team, I'd expect Bayern to still be ahead of them.

Good luck to Hamburg and Hertha, it'd be great for their fans if they accomplish something.

What's Uli talking about, since when is Bayern behind Real, I'd say Bayern's ahead of Real Madrid.

I think he meant in terms of "conquering" the Asian market. The whole Premier League gets about 200 M a year alone from Asian tv money - the Bundesliga 10 M.

In what aspect are we ahead of Madrid? Okay, we don't make dumb transfers and our ultras are not racist but apart from that?
We can beat them this year though.

You know what pisses me off but makes me happy as well, Schalke can't afford Baros even though he's 6 million and they finished 2nd last year. Shows that the financial situation isn't up to top standards in Germany which pisses me off. The good thing though is that Schalke couldn't get Baros and though their still a good team, I'd expect Bayern to still be ahead of them.
Dude they spent more money on new players than us.

7 m for Kuranyi
3 M for Larsen
yet to sign a new rightback, wan to spend another 5 M
Ernst and Bajramovic came via free transfers but have huge wages

Soon the league is going to start neotiating about a new tv deal which is expected to be at around €500 M, double the current amount and about the same the French league gets. This would be great for the clubs and we can expect more van der Vaarts and Tomassons to arrive in the next years.

In what aspect are we ahead of Madrid? Okay, we don't make dumb transfers and our ultras are not racist but apart from that?
We can beat them this year though.


HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Sure :boohoo:

Was that for the racist ultras or "we can beat them" line?

Anyway, thanks for your well thought-out response dumbfuck.

No dumbass.

I am wondering whether he can play at a world-class level for four or five more years.

You are the moron who thinks Bayern should sell him because it gives them a better chance to win. F*ck That.

What the hell are you saying calling me a Ballack Worshipper :funny: ? Look at you, I wouldn't be suprised if you had a shrine for Pizarro. I, unlike you, have logic. All it was, was a question to see the opinion of others.


Go suck off Claudio Pizarro, dumbf*ck.



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Oh, and to real Bayern fans, I am sure Ballack will stay with you guys now that we got Júlio Baptista.


What a poor imbecile you are, getting out of it after you made yourself look like a retard :nape:

Anyways whats this news coming out of Peru that Pizarro passed out? They saying it was physical stress related. Any news coming out of germany that goes into more detail on what happened?

Also, Guerrero has been scoring goals... would that mean he will be the third striker, even before Santa Cruz? What does the press say and what does Maggath have in mind? Inquiring minds want to know.

Anyways whats this news coming out of Peru that Pizarro passed out? They saying it was physical stress related. Any news coming out of germany that goes into more detail on what happened?

From what I heard it was caused by simply too much stress during the Asian tour. It was nothing serious though he's fine.

Also, Guerrero has been scoring goals... would that mean he will be the third striker, even before Santa Cruz? What does the press say and what does Maggath have in mind? Inquiring minds want to know.
The press doesn't care because the first attack is set. I guess it depends on the situation if you need to replace Pizza Santa Cruz will most probably play. He can fill out the supporting striker role better. When scoring is needed there's no doubt Guerrero will play.

Good info, thanks Vince.

Also, I just saw the video against Jubilo Iwata... was I seeing things or was that new Bayern jersey maroon and not red??? If thats the case i'm definately getting this one! I LOVE that color!

and in the end Schalke refused to pay enough to get Baros...


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Schalke have pulled out of the race to sign Milan Baros from Liverpool.

The Bundesliga side had wanted the 23-year-old Czech Republic striker to boost their strike force for their domestic and Champions League campaigns.

However, the club's general manager Rudi Assauer spoke to Liverpool on the phone on this morning and it soon became clear a deal would not be struck, with the Anfield side ruling out any loan move.

'The club (Liverpool) only wants to sell,' said Assauer to club website www.schalke04.de.

'Eight to 10million euros is impossible so Milan Baros will not be moving to Schalke.'
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Was that for the racist ultras or "we can beat them" line?

Anyway, thanks for your well thought-out response dumbfuck.

Both dumb****, our ultras are racist and yours are angles right.........NAZIS. You guys can beat us.....right, keep dreaming.

I'm glad and sad that Schalke didn't get Baros. Glad because they won't be as big a threat anymore (maybe), but sad that the Bundesliga missed out on another star player.

Oh well, let's hope that what Vince said about the new TV contract in the Bundesliga will come true.

our ultras are racist and yours are angles right.........NAZIS.
Ours don't boo black players so yours are the Nazis.


You guys can beat us.....right, keep dreaming.
It's always been close match-ups you arrogant fuck.

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The Guardian reports that Man Utd have reached an agreement with Ballack that he will come in 2006 for free. Ballack's agent denied it.
Doesn't bother me too much he turns 30 next year then we already got the best out of him.

Yeh, whats the payroll comparison aswell(Real to Bayern.)?

Rummenigge claims Ballack would be joining a team on the wane if he was to accept the overtures from The Red Devils.

"They are not the Manchester of before," Rummenigge told Sport-Bild magazine.

"If I were a player, I would laugh about it."

Haha you gotta love the club's arrogance. :D (Y)

yeh gotta love it...cuz Bayern are pathetic and your league is inferior to the premiership so in actual fact it would be a step up not down!

Bayern finished 14 points ahead of the second, won the domestic double and got a round further in the Champions League. Plus he's German hmmmmm

[QUOTE=-Vince-]Ours don't boo black players so yours are the Nazis.



It's always been close match-ups you arrogant fuck.

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LOL....i have to say Bayern are way ahead of Real Madrid. Their fans seem to accept ethnic minorities better than any club in Spain!!!...

As for Spanish clubs there still coming to terms that different colours exist in this world despite the fact that theres lots of North Africans living in Spain theres still intolerance. I have read up on the Ultras in Spain and they are very over the top. Also its very interesting to see Raul and Figo taking pictures with the Ultra surs. Hmmmm....Exposed by the british media in a national newspaper!!!! Flags and banners kept in the stadium. So who are Real exactly???? more politics than football.

Bayern finished 14 points ahead of the second, won the domestic double and got a round further in the Champions League. Plus he's German hmmmmm

i have family living in germany i do not have anything against anybody. I would agree that Munich is a better city than Manchester. But will Ballack be living in the street???????? Theres an area called Cheshire which is quiet and very nice and no one needs to know where u live.

as for your league...I have to say shows the amount of competition there is if your winning all the cups in sight!!!!.....although i still like Bayern as a team, i dont agree with your president. Man utd will come back strong.

Ballack has peaked at Bayern if hes so sure why is he stalling on a new contract????

Although i'd still say thanks for showing the premiership how to defend as a team against Arsenal!!!! Because for a while i thought they couldnt be touched.

Alot of rumors out there saying Ballack is indeed going to Man U! How true are these rumors, anything coming straight out of the Bayern camp yet?
Will Bayern smarten up as i've expected and really get rid of Ballack? If this does happens, kudos for Bayern.. they'd be doing themselves a great favor! Paying for a player $40 million for 4 years that will only be able to play top level futbol for the next two years, tops, would be crazy. Thanks Bayern.

Do you guys think the club will push to offer Ballack a new deal to see him stay, or simply try to sell him? If Ballack really doesn't want to stay then it would obviously be best to sell him, but how much would he cost?

He can take all the time he wants to make his finaly decision. The Bayern deal is one the table he just has to sign it. He might want to wait how the club does this year. It'll probably take one or two more months.

It's not a bad situation for the club. He's either staying or they have the whole season to look for a replacement, who knows maybe Deisler/Schweini/Karimi develop into the role.

I've said this a few times, I've no doubt he can play at the same level for the next four years. He wouldn't go for the money, both offers are around €10M but for a new competition towards the end of his career.

We should offer them Hargreaves lol.

Do you guys think the club will push to offer Ballack a new deal to see him stay, or simply try to sell him? If Ballack really doesn't want to stay then it would obviously be best to sell him, but how much would he cost?
The club won't sell him. Ballack wants to play this season in Germany so he has a sure place in the national team.

The club won't sell him. Ballack wants to play this season in Germany so he has a sure place in the national team.
As if they wont pick him regardless. :ewan:

You never know when moving to those folks up north. Lehmann was turned from a worldclass keeper into a mediocre one.

You never know when moving to those folks up north. Lehmann was turned from a worldclass keeper into a mediocre one.
Well he sure picked the wrong time to go world class against us last season. :nape:

I love how the Madrid fans just got owned and haven't come back at all. Throwing Nazi allegations against our fans? Come on now, Germany is SOOO far away from that it won't ever be a concern, especially for every day hardcore fans.

Ballack already has agreed to terms with Manchester? Isn't that ILLEGAL? He's still got a full year left on his deal!

Ballack's Agent Completely denies the Manutd deal

I love how the Madrid fans just got owned and haven't come back at all. Throwing Nazi allegations against our fans? Come on now, Germany is SOOO far away from that it won't ever be a concern, especially for every day hardcore fans.

Ballack already has agreed to terms with Manchester? Isn't that ILLEGAL? He's still got a full year left on his deal!

Its exactly what Bayern does every ******* year.

Official team photo for the year has been taken. Anybody have it in high resolution? I'd love to have it for my computer desktop. Thanks.

Yeh, whoever can find that will get tons of (6) and fresh (C) from me. :jambo:

Socrates, you aren't that bright. Bayern is definetely as good or better then Real, you're just living in the past with all your crap. I'd even go far enough to say that Bayern is as good as Manchester. Madrid's just a prestige team. The only players they have who are worth the price tag is Owen, Casillas, Gravesen, and that's pretty much it. They're retards for selling their main central defender and they still haven't realised that there team lacks defence.

If Bayern really is in a good financial state, then they should be able to keep Ballack since there isn't another player who can match him. He can play as a defensive midfielder and those can't be easily replaced. Hargreaves is a great player and underrated, but he can't replace Michael Ballack. Ballack would be stupid to go to Manchester because he has a better chance of winning with Bayern.

Its exactly what Bayern does every ******* year.

We pay for our players, meaning we go through the club and not tapping up players. Who was the last big name we got on a free? I can't remember one.

Karimi

:) I love our ability to be a great club with low rated signings. I mean bying stars doesn't necesarily pay.
We have our own way of winning games and thats sweet. :jap:

Yeah but domestically we do exactly the same, we just buy the best players of other teams. No wonder we're the most hated team by far. Leverkusen for instance got absolutely raped by Bayern in the past years (Ballack, Ze Roberto, Lucio, Kovac).

Yeah but domestically we do exactly the same, we just buy the best players of other teams. No wonder we're the most hated team by far. Leverkusen for instance got absolutely raped by Bayern in the past years (Ballack, Ze Roberto, Lucio, Kovac).


just remember how you destroyed karlsruhe years ago :nape: :jambo: (6)

I have no problem with buying who you can. I have a problem with illegally tapping up a player, which is what Manchester United have done if they've reached any sort of agreement with Ballack.

Man we should've bought Van der Vaart this season for that 5 M peanuts. I'm watching Intertoto Cup right now and he owns his opponents.

Maybe he can fill in Ballack's gap either next year or in 2010.

Yeah, it was tough to see him go to another Bundesliga club. He had some ego issues, but I think after Ajax basically kicked him out the door those might have changed. I mean, he was the captain of a major european club at 17!!

Ok boys and girls.. I found THE picture, enjoy. :)

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/XDE109080112_1024x768.jpg

You're welcome.

By the way, Maggath's mother was Puerto Rican. Hence his dark skin. I always thought Maggath had some turkish blood in him... but it all makes sense now.

Interesting factoid. :)

Ok boys and girls.. I found THE picture, enjoy. :)

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/XDE109080112_1024x768.jpg

You're welcome.
Thanks for that. Nice to see Lahm in a Bayern jersey and our new youngster Ottl (next to Guerrero).

W00t! Danke Peruytu.

Schalke finally got a trophy. :hump: :nape:

Haha with 9 men. Lincoln got a red card for spitting and will be suspended for all competitions until Aug 31st + 2 League Cup games, Kuranyi also got a red card but for a brutal foul and will be suspended for 3 League Cup games.

Those guys have problems handling the presure although I gotta admit they looked awesome in both league cup games. Their diamond midfield scares me to hell especially Lincoln.

I hope they get far in the CL.

Yeah, it was tough to see him go to another Bundesliga club. He had some ego issues, but I think after Ajax basically kicked him out the door those might have changed. I mean, he was the captain of a major european club at 17!!First off, if it were up to Ajax, van der Vaart would've stayed another season and left on a Bosman after this coming season. Ajax had no intention of selling him at all unless there was an amazing offer from Barca or whatever. Like Vince said, every player has his price. It was Raffie himself who made his intentions clear a few weeks before the end of the season: he wanted to leave. Unlike most other Ajax fans, I think we did the right tjiing for himself and Ajax by selling him. The team and the club will be better because of it. If anything, it means less bitching from him in post-match interviews. I do think that if Koeman hadn't become coach and either Co Adriaanse had stayed or Blind had become head coach earlier, van der Vaart would be still playing for Ajax.

Oh, and he became captain of Ajax at age 19 (shortly before turning 20). Bad, bad decision by Koeman with 20/20 hindsight. Now we have Julien Escude as captain :((Y)

Well, captain of Ajax at 19 is still quite the accomplishment. Captain of any professional team at 19 is an accomplishment.

Philipp Lahm has extended his contract until 2009. (Y)

Ballack, Sagnol and Kahn next.

The thing about these players, like van der Vaart and Aimar, etc is that they can't play a DM role like Ballack.

http://www.zoeball.net/gallery/Red%20Manchester%20United%20kit.jpg http://www.dw-world.de/dwelle/allgemein/bilder_show/0,3772,87255_7,00.jpg

We belong together!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bouncy: :read:

Well we got a whole season to boo the sh*t out of him if he leaves. (H)

Something random but damn the Allianz Arena looks great. (Y)

And i remember posting something on SG once saying it looked like a donut. :$

Less than 24 hours to Bundesliga kickoff! :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:

Will they be broadcasting the game in America? It's in free tv here so it wouldn't be a problem to watch it via streams.


Probable line-ups:

Bayern Munich: Kahn - Sagnol, Lucio, Ismael, Lizarazu - Salihamidzic, Demichelis, Ballack, Zé Roberto - Makaay, Pizarro

Borussia Mönchengladbach: Keller - Bögelund, Helveg, Strasser, Jansen - Broich, Oude Kamphuis, Heinz, Kluge - Sverkos, Neuville

No, we'll be getting the Duisburg v Stuttgart game on Saturday instead.

ELBER!!! ELBER!!! ELBER!!! :rofl:

No matter what the scoreline is the fans will cheer for him if he scores. I hope he doesn't get naked like he promised us...

found all channels

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German Bundesliga
Bayern Munich vs Borussia Moenchengladbach


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Any posible link where to see it?

The Bayernfans will strike, because of the new stadium order.

Yep I heard that, too. Great, just when the whole nation is watching the game. :rolleyes:

CCTV5 is supposed to show it on coolstreaming.

I think now that Santana and Prosieben show the games in America, FSC gets the match that is left after they take the best ones. Which sucks ass.

--------------- Kahn -----------------

Sagnol -- Lucio -- Ismael -- Hargreaves :|

Deisler -- Ballack -- Demichelis -- Brazzo

--------Makaay -- Santa Cruz :(

wow well that lineup is surprising, lets see what Santa Cruz can bring to the table :eek:

OOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNN

1-0

nice start play by hasan

1-0 Owen Hargreaves

red card for ismael damn IT! (N)



ismael angry= :taz:

great debut by Ismael :D.

great debut by Ismael :D.


ur sarcasm is killing me :( lol


1-0 HT

Not a bad goal to open the season. Nice through ball by Braco and nice play-back by Santa Cruz and of course, the finish by Hargreaves speaks for itself.

Sub Santa Crap off and bring Magic Karimi please.

CCTV5 is supposed to show it on coolstreaming.

Yup. I'm watching it through Coolstreaming. Quality could be better but I'm not complaining.

Anyone got the web radio link?

Lizarazu and Karimi in, Braco out :mad: and Demichelis?(i think)

ALI KARIMI is in guys!! :bouncy: :brow:

Lizarazu and Karimi in, Braco out :mad: and Demichelis?(i think)

I think that Karimi was subbed in for Deisler instead of Demichelis

I think that Karimi was subbed in for Deisler instead of Demichelis

yup, you're right. i wasn't sure in the first place.

Damn... I hear that Santa Cruz is screwing up way too many chances! (N)

2-0 Bayern



MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!






GAME OVER


(*still pissed about santa cruz starting lol) jk

3-0 Bayern

FT


MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AYYYYYYYYYYY





god what a finisher jesus christ (H)

RRRRoooyyyyyyyyy Makaaaayyyy.

......quiet most of the game and then just explodes. Almost had the hat-trick.

Makaay almost made it 3-0 in the 90th minute... if I remember correctly, that would have been the fastest hattrick in Bundesliga History. I think Sean Dundee holds it from around 7-9 years ago. I think it was like 6 minutes or something; Makaay's would have been 4!! WOW!

Too bad he missed it though.

It's all good, we're gonna be first place after this matchday, I doubt anybody else will win higher than 3-0.

i watched the game and absolutely dont understand people complaining about santa cruz. if it was not him, there wouldnt have been 1:0 at all. he did the most running and other dirty jobs of defenders, mr.everywhere almost. he prepared 1 goal, hit the sidebar once in 1vs2 situation and missed only 1 great header-chance. the other one shot was a 1vs3 situation and not even makaay would have scored that one. best players today: owen hargreaves, santa cruz, makaay. actually the whole team was good and worked really hard even 1 man down. gj.

Santa Cruz can't score for sh*t. How many chances does he need? Running is not enough. He'll never score more than 5 goals a season.

This is where Pizarro is better, he can do the working part AND finish.

Karimi played pretty well, he looked very comfortbale with the ball, had some good defensive tacklings and assisted the 3rd goal. Good addition to the team. (Y)

Hargreaves definitely man of the match today. He didn't lose the goal once while pushing forward.

think first. you say running is not enough. but what about his beautiful assist to 1:0? if not this goal, no way gladbach would have played such "offensive" in last 10min, and thus no way makaay would've got so much free space.

and santa cruz CAN score. in the past, when he was fit and he didnt get the chance to prove himself here, he always scored for paraguay. ok bayerns gameplay is more makaay-oriented but you should also understand that santa cruz had big family trouble shortly, and also that he was injured almost 2 years overall and need quite some games to feel comfortable.


(edit) ps: just an example. when makaay came to bayern he was already superstar but he still need quite few games to score his first goal

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Santa Cruz can't score for sh*t. How many chances does he need? Running is not enough. He'll never score more than 5 goals a season.

This is where Pizarro is better, he can do the working part AND finish.

Karimi played pretty well, he looked very comfortbale with the ball, had some good defensive tacklings and assisted the 3rd goal. Good addition to the team. (Y)

Hargreaves definitely man of the match today. He didn't lose the goal once while pushing forward.

Just FYI man, Karimi did not assist the 3rd goal, it was Demichelis :D They all look alike I know :sun:

A 3-0 win with 10 men for 45 minutes? That's impressive. What did Ismael do to get the red?

By the way, it's sad to see Borussia suck so hard especially since there are some players I like and know (Keller, Bogelund, Oude Kamphuis, Sonck).

One yellow for a foul, another one for a "Trikotzupfer".


Gladbach were the dominating side for most parts of the game the result doesn't do the game justice. 2 quick counter attacks and bang - 3-0.

Sonck is injured and will be out for a few months. I heard they're interested in Charisteas lol.

Their defense really sucks. I mean c'mon Helveg and Strasser as your starting CBs. :nape:

Oh man, the announcer is awesome (H)

Him: Roy
Crowd: MAKAAY!
Him: Roy
Crowd: MAKAAY!
Him: R-r-r-r-r-ooyyyyyy
Crowd: MAKAAAAY!


Man, Makaay is getting ready for the World Cup :((Y)

Too bad he doesn't fit the Dutch team. (H)

Well, it's not like he gets a chance to prove himself. It's not his fault he's such an incredible out-and-out striker :(

He deserves a spot. I really dont get MVB in this one. Not because he is a Bayern player but he is a scoring machine. Him and Rud would be great.

Great win for us. :D
Vince eat your shorts man. When Owen was in the back line you sounded sceptic. Truth is Owen was our best today. I hope he really gets back to his form, he can be our best signing (For not letting him go.)

What a fvcking idiot that Ismael is. I hope he doesn't get traped by this red card otherwise he will strugle all season long.

the secoond yellow by the ref on ismael was a bad call by the ref . Anyway wat a goal by my boy owen !!!

Great win for us. :D
Vince eat your shorts man. When Owen was in the back line you sounded sceptic. Truth is Owen was our best today. I hope he really gets back to his form, he can be our best signing (For not letting him go.)

He will walk away for free after this seaosn so he's still a ****twat.

What a fvcking idiot that Ismael is. I hope he doesn't get traped by this red card otherwise he will strugle all season long.
The problem is when either Lucio or Demichelis can't play we're doomed because we don't have any other CBs. Let's get Kuffour back. :P

http://www.allianz-arena.org/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/arena_spiele/3.jpg

The Players make a heart... Ohhh. :brow:

The Stadion looks very nice. (Y)

All first 5 minutes were all Duisburg, Shttutgart scores first. Typical of the Trap. :brow:

What a beautiful Stadium (Y)(Y)(Y)

the fans were outstanding last night, I was watching the game on setanta sports on directv at work and i saw the game was amazing atmosphere. When i come down to Germany for WC u def got to be my tour guide VINCE LOL :D (H)

According to Spanish Propaganda newspapaer Marca Sagnol has agreed to terms with Valencia. He's running out of contract and can leave the club for free. Apparently they're offering 3 M to get him now.

meh that's what you get when you only concentrate on re-signing Ballack. I hope it's not true. :rolleyes:

Görlitz is back in training by the way. He could replace him.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :( :( :( awesome Allianz Arena :(

Ismaels red card was unnecessary, he will miss against Leverkusen now.

What the €€€€ will happen to FCB next season if Hargreaves, Sagnol, Ballack leaves.. lol.. talk about a loss of strength.. :eek:

Yeah, but if you take that lineup we had today and take out those players, you just have to add Schweinsteiger, Lahm, and Gorlitz and we're cool. Deisler (or KARIMI!) could take over for Ballack, maybe not as good, but maybe just as good, but the style of play would change. If Deisler ever played up to his potential, what we thought we were getting when we bought him, we wouldn't miss Ballack all that much.

der stadionnnnnn

What the €€€€ will happen to FCB next season if Hargreaves, Sagnol, Ballack leaves.. lol.. talk about a loss of strength.. :eek:
Sagnol, Ze Roberto, Jeremies, Kahn maybe, Hargreaves, Lizarazu, Brazzo maybe

That'd be some huge wages coming off the payroll. Hargreaves wouldn't be a big loss, let him go to crappy Tottenham or Middlesbrough. Ballack most likely will stay. I hope Kahn decides to move to Japan after the WC otherwise Rensing is gone.

------------ Rensing ----------------

Görlitz -- Lucio -- Ismael -- Lahm -----

------------ Ballack ---------------

Deisler ----- Podolski----- Schweini ---

---- Makaay ---------- Pizarro -------

This looks good. Then loan Guerro so that he gets some playing time and add another young CB. Cologne played 8 German players yesterday, all at good age. We should take a look at them their CBs are both 19 and class.

But let's first win the treble with the current team ;)

I would never waste Podolski behind the strikers. Are you crazy or what? :brow:
I'd rather play with 3 strikers or sell one of them (Makaay or Pizarro..most likely Piza since we can gain more from him) and invest. I would love to see our front something like this:


-------------Van Der Vart---------------

---Makaay----------------Podoslki-------


Priceless.

Whats the use of having Podolski if we can't exploit him to his max potential. (surely I am wrong about not wanting him if we can't play him to his best, but u get my horrible point.)

That's why I would not play him as a striker but more as a forward. He's too good to be just the lethal striker. He has GREAT vision, he can make deadly passes, he can make good crosses etc.

-------------Van Der Vart---------------

---Makaay----------------Podoslki-------I just busted a nut

:taz:

Podolski (http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/53332993.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=B3B0CAEAE758B2F0FB3B4549F4C7D7A1621B2AC3A625 13D3)

:hit:

Ballack is my favourite also :P I dont believe that he goes away from Bayern. Transfer window is open. Is Bayern gonna buy Lucas Podolski ?

After the world cup, hopefully.

Tonight we play a friendly vs. Warsaw, it's exclusive on FCB Champions. Lucio, Demichelis and Sagnol won't be playing due to injury but Schweini makes his comeback.

I just busted a nut

:taz:


NExt time try to avoid using your head. (H)

Podolski (http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/53332993.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=B3B0CAEAE758B2F0FB3B4549F4C7D7A1621B2AC3A625 13D3)

:hit:
Hehe. He should go for the money. :sun:

man is santa cruz getting chances? sigh.............. o well i'am pulling for makaay to score using those amazing finishing skills

Is it 100% sure that Podolski will play for you guys next season?

No, but we're the only club that can afford spending about 15 M on a player. Other leagues shouldn't be an option for him.

At Bayern Munchen reserves plays 18-years-old Daniel Sikorski - son of Witold Sikorski, who played in Legia in years 1978-1988. "I'd like to Legia win this match"- said Daniel, who's Legia supporter. Unfortunetly he won't see this match but he saw last league match of Bayern. "We won 3:0 but Bayern played average" - said Sikorski. Daniel layed a trip on Makaay - "For me, he's not a hero. I don't like, when striker only stand in penatly area, wait for passes from other players and not run on the pitch".

For Sikorski Michael Ballack is really genius in Bayern. German team have other stars so is favorite in match against Legia. "Oo, in my opinion Legia won't win. But... Bayern is tired and perhaps will save forces. This is only chance for Legia" - ended Sikorski.

Very interesting opinion :brow:

Bleh, couldn't really understand the article :read:

Bleh, couldn't really understand the article :read:
sorry my english isn't really good. i know german too but it worse than my english :fool: :(

sorry my english isn't really good. i know german too but it worse than my english :fool: :(



its alright


anyways anyone know where i can watch the game? i want to see the Legia team play

in Polish TVN :D :P :) Sorry I don't know about channels from Germany.

I know that will be in Polish international channel - itvn... this channel is in Germany (Kabel Deutschland) but, as I know, you must pay for that channel...

BTW: Last match of these teams at Wojska Polskiego:
1988, UEFA Cup: Legia 3:7 Bayern :Bow: :Bow: :Bow: :Bow: :Bow:

They're not broadcasting the game in Germany, FCB Champions has the exclusive rights.

They're not broadcasting the game in Germany, FCB Champions has the exclusive rights.



will i get to watch it live on there website? if so i may become the new AWAX (H) (being tempted)

Only if you've subscripted to the service which costs a small monthly fee.

The starting team

Bernd Dreher 29
Bixente Lizarazu 69
Andreas Ottl 39
Valerien Ismael 25
Jens Jeremies 16
Owen Hargreaves 23
Bastian Schweinsteiger 31
Zé Roberto 11
Michael Ballack 13
José Paolo Guerrero 33
Claudio Pizarro 14

bench:

Ali Karimi 8
Roy Makaay 10
Hasan Salihamidzic 20
Roque Santa Cruz 24
Sebastian Deisler 26

At our stadium is less viewers that, it was on another friendly, against Bayer Leverkusen :O

Legia's deffence is shocking... :mad:

0:1...

Guerrero scores...

I knew it.. Legia is jittery... (N)

2 good chances for Legia... than goal to Munich... (N) 0:2

Guerrero scores another one. :sun:

I wonder why Legia strikers shoot too strenght without any technique on 1 on 1 actions...

Piooooooooootr Wlodarczyk... his first goal in this season ^^ 1:2