no problemo :)

what u guys think of this formation against O. Lyon?

---------------Casillas---------------
-Salgado--Helguera--Ramos--R.Carlos-
----------P.Garcia--Gravesen---------
------Beckham----------Baptista-----
-----------Raúl-------Robinho--------

and if Beckham can't play, then i think Diogo or maybe De La Red should play in his position.
Guti was crap yesterday :kader:

and i came to think about something. so many people have wanted Raúl on the bench in a match. yesterday he was benched (cause of back pain) and what happened? We Lost :p

Is it just me or.................

since Madrid have Luxa theyve been scored on FIRST in almost EVERY GAME. What gives? They usually come back, but the defense does not seem motivated!

that's cause our defense is crap, for the most part

no problemo :)

what u guys think of this formation against O. Lyon?

---------------Casillas---------------
-Salgado--Helguera--Ramos--R.Carlos-
----------P.Garcia--Gravesen---------
------Beckham----------Baptista-----
-----------Raúl-------Robinho--------

and if Beckham can't play, then i think Diogo or maybe De La Red should play in his position.
Guti was crap yesterday :kader:

and i came to think about something. so many people have wanted Raúl on the bench in a match. yesterday he was benched (cause of back pain) and what happened? We Lost :p

I think were gonna play this formation for Lyon too.

and i came to think about something. so many people have wanted Raúl on the bench in a match. yesterday he was benched (cause of back pain) and what happened? We Lost :p

we lost because of the ref (but such things can happen in football and it's not that we lost everthing already)

Just to turn the table
RM scored 2 goals without Raul and none when he came on, + when he was on, we conceded and lost...

What position did Baptista play during the game and how did he do, same goes for Gravesen?

we lost because of the ref (but such things can happen in football and it's not that we lost everthing already)

Just to turn the table
RM scored 2 goals without Raul and none when he came on, + when he was on, we conceded and lost...

What position did Baptista play during the game and how did he do, same goes for Gravesen?


Apparently, Luxe used the "magic square." It looke something like this...

---------------Casillas---------------
-Salgado--Helguera--Pavon--R.Carlos-
---------Beckham--Gravesen---------
----------Guti--------Baptista--------
-------Robinho--------Ronaldo--------

Gravesen was actually really solid. He had no problems recovering the ball. Baptista Was on the left during defence, but would play centrally during attacks. He was awesome in the center. Baptista and Robinho were a joy to watch today. Great movement and short passes.

What let us down was our marking inside the box for the first and third goals. We deserved to lose because of that horrible marking. I don't blame just the defense though. Our midfield needed to help them there. I saw Baptista just watching the whole thing from outside the box. I'm sure this is something Luxe will correct in training.

so against Lyon it will probably be:

---------------Casillas---------------
-Salgado--Ramos----Helguera--R.Carlos-
---------Beckham--Gravesen---------
----------Guti--------Baptista--------
-------Robinho----------Raul--------

i heard on Sky Sports news that Becks is in the squad and should be fit to face Lyon.

anybody know if the match will be seen in either Fox Sports en Espanol or Gol TV?

Thanx in advance.

Here in Mexico Espn is gonna show it

News

Beckham and Pavón ready for Lyon test (http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/v4/l0/s22/e10187/sport_lng0_spo22_evt10187_sto764445.shtml)

and..

the team arrives in Lyon

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/2f0715raulsalida288p.jpg

If Pavon starts, we'll probably lose :kader:

I think we should play a 4-1-3-2 and f*ck the square (6)

i agree RUSI

i dont like the square either. it seems we are very vulnerable when playing that formation. it should be

------------------Casillas-----------------
--Salgado--Helguera--S.Ramos--R.Carlos--
----------------Gravesen-----------------
----Beckham----Baptista-----Guti--------
-------------Raúl------Robinho-----------

i changed my mind about Guti :)

i dont like the idea of pavon starting, especially against lyon. Too bad ramos hasnt had enough training with the team yet to start.

This game worries me, i hope we get a point out of it

don't you think Ramos will start?

I think Ramos will start for sure.

About the tactics... There´s really no square. It´s just Beckham goes to the center when defending, so he help the DM; and Baptista goes center when attacking, so he can percuss better.

BTW ive been revising LFP referee's guide, and Robinho goal shouldnt have been disallowed: Check page 4 (http://www.marca.com/futbol/varios/fueradejuego.pdf) (B) is Robinho and (A) Ronaldo.

yeah, i checked that up too. so technically, Robinho scored in his debut at Bernabéu. but it was disallowed, because of Mr. Ramirez "Dumbass" Dominguez :fool:

another thing. if Raúl scores tomorrow, then he have reached 50 goals in Champions League ! look at the players he have behind him.

Pos Player Team(s) Goals
1 Raúl González Real Madrid CF 49
2 Ruud van Nistelrooij PSV Eindhoven,
Manchester United FC 42
3 Thierry Henry AS Monaco FC, Juventus FC, Arsenal FC 36
4 Andriy Shevchenko FC Dynamo Kyiv, AC Milan 34
5 Alessandro Del Piero Juventus FC 33
6 Filippo Inzaghi Juventus FC, AC Milan 30
7 Patrick Kluivert AFC Ajax, FC Barcelona 29
8 Fernando Morientes Real Madrid CF, AS Monaco FC 26
9 Giovane Elber FC Bayern München, Olympique Lyonnais 25
9 Mário Jardel FC Porto, Galatasaray SK 25
9 Roy Makaay RC Deportivo La Coruña,
FC Bayern München 25
9 Rivaldo FC Barcelona, AC Milan, Olympiacos CFP 25
13 Jari Litmanen AFC Ajax, FC Barcelona, Liverpool FC 23
13 Luís Figo FC Barcelona, Real Madrid CF 23
15 David Trezeguet AS Monaco FC, Juventus FC 22
16 Hernán Crespo Parma FC, S.S. Lazio, FC Internazionale Milano, Chelsea FC, AC Milan 21
16 Ryan Giggs Manchester United FC 21
16 Marco Simone AC Milan, Paris Saint-Germain FC, AS Monaco FC 21

RVN is a big menace. Lets hope Raul scores tomorrow, as he will play upfront, and we need his goals against such complicated rival.

agree Guti was crap but after all he was coming from a injury. And isnt easy for him to play in a team without wingers

agree Guti was crap but after all he was coming from a injury. And isnt easy for him to play in a team without wingers

What team are you talking about??? I know Real Madrid uses Salgado and Roberto Carlos as wingers. As for the magic square, I don't see anything wrong with it. Did you guys see how strong our attack was? Celta's 30 center backs was the only thing that prevented us from scoring more goals. Our weak link was in supporting our defence. We weren't beaten off counters. Our midfield had time to help and didn't. Luxe has to do something about that.

if Raúl scores tomorrow, then he have reached 50 goals in Champions League ! look at the players he have behind him.

Pos Player Team(s) Goals
1 Raúl González Real Madrid CF 49
2 Ruud van Nistelrooij PSV Eindhoven,
Manchester United FC 42


why don't you put up the appereances aswell for those to players - Raul must be close to the top IMO only Becks, Del Piero and some others have more.

as for Goals per Game Ratio Nistelrooy scored 42 times in 46 CL matches for manutd or something like that, Raul has around 80 games I think

why don't you put up the appereances aswell for those to players - Raul must be close to the top IMO only Becks, Del Piero and some others have more.

as for Goals per Game Ratio Nistelrooy scored 42 times in 46 CL matches for manutd or something like that, Raul has around 80 games I think


- RVN is 2-3 years older.
- Raul never kick penalties, unlike RVN.
- Raul played most of that matches as 2nd forward, even as 3rd forward/Left Winger.

To score so many goals as RVN is not easy, but is never easy to score so many goals as Raul when you play with Suker + Mijatovic or + Morientes or + Ronaldo, players that also scores a lot of goals.

What team are you talking about??? I know Real Madrid uses Salgado and Roberto Carlos as wingers. As for the magic square, I don't see anything wrong with it. Did you guys see how strong our attack was? Celta's 30 center backs was the only thing that prevented us from scoring more goals. Our weak link was in supporting our defence. We weren't beaten off counters. Our midfield had time to help and didn't. Luxe has to do something about that.

R.Carlos and Salgado are RB/LB, in that match we needed a fast winger that can open widly the field. In that match Celta didnt defended with 20 CB, they only used 4 or 5 defenders but Madrid only wanted to play trying to enter in the center, not using the wings. Only Robinho did some nice actions as winger :\

Today everyone is talking about that in Madrid press, that our attack was only Center, not Wingers :(

Yep, I also think that having no wingers in team isn't good. But now it's bit to late to think about it...I just hope we won't suffer cuz of that.

True about us "only attacking in the center" and not using our wings...I pretty much read that everywhere.

Now with Robinho, Raul can be the full-time LF and Robinho can go on the right side...which i think won't be a problem for him.

Salgado has his days counted.

R.Carlos and Salgado are RB/LB


Luxe sees them as his wingers. (:/)

I actually was impressed with our attacking ferocity. Our defensive marking was what let us down.

Luxa will stick with his Quadrado Magicó.

the next 24 hrs for Beckham will be descisive. i dont think he will make the team. we shouldnt take any risks either. Raúl and Pavón are ready.

maybe ?

---------------Casillas-----------------
---------Helguera--S.Ramos-----------
--Salgado-------------------R.Carlos--
----------P.Garcia--Gravesen----------
--------Guti-----------Baptista--------
-----------Raúl------Robinho----------


now everyone pray that Luxa dont start Pavón tomorrow. :jambo: :eek:

luxe's system is more 2-4-2-2 than 4-2-2-2 imho...its nice, attacking. someones got to do it :).

i dont think Pavon will start, Sergio Ramos will, he played 45 mins at the weekend and has had a full pre-season with Seville and has had a run out with the national team, i'd put money on Beckham starting aswell.

Team:

---------------Casillas-----------------
---------Helguera--S.Ramos-----------
--Salgado-------------------R.Carlos--
----------Beckham--Gravesen----------
--------Guti-----------Baptista--------
-----------Raúl------Robinho----------

mark my words.

Beckham is a serious doubt for tomorrow ...

And if Pavon starts, we'll surely lose

---------------Casillas-----------------
---------Helguera--S.Ramos-----------
--Salgado-------------------R.Carlos--
----------P.Garcia--Gravesen----------
--------Guti-----------Baptista--------
-----------Raúl------Robinho----------

Would be nice (Y)

this is amazing. for the first time we all have same line-up ! :p

Beckham is a serious doubt for tomorrow ...

And if Pavon starts, we'll surely lose

---------------Casillas-----------------
---------Helguera--S.Ramos-----------
--Salgado-------------------R.Carlos--
----------P.Garcia--Gravesen----------
--------Guti-----------Baptista--------
-----------Raúl------Robinho----------

Would be nice (Y)

I think you're right about the lineup. And let's not be so hard on Pavon(Although I still want Sergio to start). Our midfield needs to help the defence. That didn't happen last Saturday.

If a Garcia - Gravesen midfield doesnm't help, I don't know what will ...


Also, I hope Diogo gets some playing time

If a Garcia - Gravesen midfield doesnm't help, I don't know what will ...


Also, I hope Diogo gets some playing time

True, but they need to be in the box and make sure no man is unmarked. They scored on us twice because of that last weekend.

i kinda feel bad for Diogo. hopefully he gets some time tomorrow, like u said RUSI.

It true that Diogo has not had much playing time.I expect a good match. Hope Raul can score to make 50 goals in CL.

why don't you put up the appereances aswell for those to players - Raul must be close to the top IMO only Becks, Del Piero and some others have more.

as for Goals per Game Ratio Nistelrooy scored 42 times in 46 CL matches for manutd or something like that, Raul has around 80 games I think
rvn plays as the lone striker, which means he'll get every chance, raul has played with the likes of moro, ronaldo, and anelka.

rvn also takes every penalty, raul never has, at least to my knowledge

i like the idea of two defensive midfielders, we really need to have a strong defense going against lyon on the road. Beckham didnt train today, so i doubt he'll play tomorrow.

Also, nice article in both AS and marca about how luxe doesnt give a damn about what the critics say about his system, he's gotten results with it before :)

i wish espn2 was showing the lyon game tomorrow

hopefully his Quadrado Magicó will work against Lyon. im all for the Diamond tho. :chew:

Pictures from 1st training session in Lyon

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/b88265raulluxe288p.jpg

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/b88265ramosbaptista288p.jpg

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/b88265helgueraluxe288p.jpg

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/b88265grupocorre288p.jpg

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/b88265gravesentiropuerta288p.jpg

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/b88265beckscorre288p.jpg

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/b88265robinhodispara288p.jpg

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/b88265soldadotijera288p.jpg
imagine Soldado scoring a goal like that tomorrow! :O :)

rvn plays as the lone striker, which means he'll get every chance, raul has played with the likes of moro, ronaldo, and anelka.

rvn also takes every penalty, raul never has, at least to my knowledge

i like the idea of two defensive midfielders, we really need to have a strong defense going against lyon on the road. Beckham didnt train today, so i doubt he'll play tomorrow.

Also, nice article in both AS and marca about how luxe doesnt give a damn about what the critics say about his system, he's gotten results with it before :)

i wish espn2 was showing the lyon game tomorrow

The game won't be on ESPN2. Only on ESPN Deportes, which barely anybody has. I'm going to watch it on Uefa.com when I get home from work.

maybe this would be better ?

---------------Casillas-----------------
---------Helguera--S.Ramos-----------
--Salgado-------------------R.Carlos--
----------P.Garcia--Gravesen----------
--------Guti-----------Robinho--------
-----------Raúl------Baptista----------

Baptista showed how lethal he is in attack against Celta.
and maybe Robinho fits better on the midfield?

good luck to us tomorrow, we are going to need it :rolleyes:

datboy, you bring up a nice idea! Robinho in the midfield might be the right idea. But either way, I think Guti should be on left- whether or not Baptista is in the midfield, I think Guti should be on the left.

Also, I like how our backups ARE gonna do just that- BACK UP. We would be screwed if we didnt have them.

your'e right. Guti on the left, Robinho on the right. :)

maybe this would be better ?

---------------Casillas-----------------
---------Helguera--S.Ramos-----------
--Salgado-------------------R.Carlos--
----------P.Garcia--Gravesen----------
--------Guti-----------Robinho--------
-----------Raúl------Baptista----------

Baptista showed how lethal he is in attack against Celta.
and maybe Robinho fits better on the midfield?

Could be good but i prefer Robinho upfront.

http://rm.sporthk.net/info/chairman1.jpg

My new wallpaper (H)!!!!!

LMAO, Floren 4 years ago.

http://www.as.com/recorte.php?id=XLCO&xref=20050913dasdaiftb_9&type=Ies
^2004/05 jersey ........................................... ^2003/04 jersey :rolleyes:

LMAO, Floren 4 years ago.

http://www.as.com/recorte.php?id=XLCO&xref=20050913dasdaiftb_9&type=Ies
^2004/05 jersey ........................................... ^2003/04 jersey :rolleyes:

Why are they wearing old jersey? :rolleyes:

That is odd why are they not in the new kits?

Maybe the press gave them that shirts, and the press just had the old shirt

thats a good point

anyone have a clip of the offsides goal Robinho scored? Or at least was talked about earlier?

Maybe the press gave them that shirts, and the press just had the old shirt

Yeah, AS budget isnt enough for 2 new jerseys :rolleyes:

I'm dissappointed in Luxe. He was afraid to make substitutions. He better work this out or Perez may do something rash...

how is it possible with an offense like real and not score one goal? I mean, god, I understand you concede goals, I mean, your defence is crap, but how come you can't score?
did you see the game? I didn't, can someone tell what happend?

3-0 :O Wow. Real f*cked up.

we missed alot of chances, if fatty fatty was there (Ronaldo), that wouldnt have happened. Coupet saved alot of sh*t. game pissed me off, because we missed so many easy chances, and we played good, 3-0 is not a fair result, but football isnt about fairness.

what happened is that we only attacked in central. and there Lyon had a whole damn army of defenders. it was impossible to go through. also we had our chances, but didnt manage to put them in.

Luxemburgo really did the dumbest thing ever tonight. he played the diamond with Gravesen on the left and Garcia as DM. Lyon discovered Garcia's bad handling of the ball and they made him the playmaker. therefore we lost several balls. Lyon's goals isnt much to say about. Juninho's 2 free kicks decided the match.

other then that, i think we played good. especially 2nd half. but u could tell that Ronaldo were missing. Robinho had a Very hard time getting through. if he got past 1, he always had 4 more. and that is impossible. even for him.

Raúl was the closest to score for us. he had 2-3 clear chances.

even tho, we lost. it looked much better then against Celta and i think were gonna improve more and more.

hope Luxa learned tonight that he can't have Garcia and Gravesen in a diamond formation. :kader: it looked disastrous.

what happened is that we only attacked in central. and there Lyon had a whole damn army of defenders. it was impossible to go through. also we had our chances, but didnt manage to put them in.

I've been saying this for weeks now.. Madrid has no wingers.

What's wrong with Ronaldo? How bad is his injury? Hopefully he's back soon because a 3-0 lost is simply disgraceful, Lyon or not.

he isnt injured, he got red-carded against Juve last CL campaign. hes out for 1 more match i think.

What's wrong with Ronaldo? How bad is his injury? Hopefully he's back soon because a 3-0 lost is simply disgraceful, Lyon or not.

Ronaldo is not injured he is suspended.

Well can anyone give a more detalied review becuase i couldnt see the match. Did Luxe actually use the diamond?? I thought he was going to use the ******* square that only attacks the middle anyways.

i dont have the will for a detailed review, but ill say this. Salgado sucked, Robinho did good, Ramos did good, Raul missed big chances, and Roberto Carlos had shooting practice at Coupet.

Lyon deserved to win - they out/overplayed us during the 3 goal wave before HT. RM had good chances (Freekicks were inches wide by Becks & Carlos) Raul had 2 good chances, Robinho one, Becks one.

Casillas saved the pen which wasn't one IMO, but he looked at least unfortunate with the 1st and 2nd goal.

I wouldn't bet on my money that Ronaldo would have scored tonight, he is no tricky player like Robinho and dribble trough 2 walls of defenders is something he can't - there's plenty of other things he can - if there is space and speed and not so much physical contact.

anyway Raul had one of the better games I have seen by him, he really worked for the team and had 2 chances. I haven't seen that Raul in ages.

my "ratings"
Baptista, Gravesen, Becks (Y) as Raul, Robinho and R.Carlos
nuetral Casillas, Helguera, Ramos, Salgado, Guti
Garcia (N)

It was a nice game to watch, even if RM lost, and as a plus point we played much better football than we did in LaLiga so far.

I'd only change Garcia for the next game, like that Ronaldo will have to work extra hard to get back, from which we all would profit.

I dont understand football, really.


Its like we are cursed or something.

Ok im gonna post in here my impressions cause the match thread is too full of bashers...

This result is very deceiving. The clue is that Lyon had 80% effectiveness, and we had 0%. In fact we had tons of chances. They have Juninho ( :Bow: ) and Coupet too.

And Luxa should have sub Gravesen for Guti when we recieved the first goal. Why do you keep a ultra defensive XI when u are losing?

I hope Garcia becomes our starter DM. He may run less than Gravesen, but with more sense.

Lets hope we have better luck this weekend. And about Lyon, see u at Bernabeu.

Lyon deserved to win - they out/overplayed us during the 3 goal wave before HT. RM had good chances (Freekicks were inches wide by Becks & Carlos) Raul had 2 good chances, Robinho one, Becks one.

Casillas saved the pen which wasn't one IMO, but he looked at least unfortunate with the 1st and 2nd goal.

I wouldn't bet on my money that Ronalod would have scored, he is no tricky player like Robinho and dribble trough 2 walls of defenders is something he can't - there's plenty of other things he can - if there is space and speed.

anyway Raul had one of the better games I have seen by him, he really worked for the team and had 2 chances. I haven't seen that Raul in ages.

my "ratings"
Baptista, Gravesen, Becks (Y) as Raul, Robinho and R.Carlos
nuetral Casillas, Helguera, Ramos, Salgado, Guti
Garcia (N)

It was a nice game to watch, even if RM lost, and as a plus point we played much better football than we did in LaLiga so far.


Im 80% disagree with all you said :P

I wouldn't bet on my money that Ronalod would have scored, he is no tricky player like Robinho and dribble trough 2 walls of defenders is something he can't - there's plenty of other things he can - if there is space and speed.

are you serious? Ronaldo can easily, effectively and decisively do all that. He does use his speed more than dribbling, but he gets results in what he does.

i think if Zidane and Ronaldo had started we would have won, we really miss them. I dont know what to say tonight, i guess we can take some cumfort that Rosenborg won 3-1 against Olympiakos, we'll be ok we can get 6 points of the two games against Rosenborg and probably 6 or 4 against Olympiakos, and i think we will beat Lyon at the Bernabeu or at lease a draw.

it'll be all "white" on the night.

didnt we lose 3-0 away to leverkusen on the first match day last year? And we still went through. I am not too worried, although seeing the 3-0 scoreline at work was a little disheartening :S

after this game.............

1. Casillas has been less than magical. This might be the year where he is full of "the shanks". Seems every Madrid player goes through that, and it seems like its his turn. BUT HE STILL manages to saved penalty (2nd in a row) which shows how freakin good he is!
2. Baptista can create some good chances- he's solid and did well. Robinho does awesome for 70 minutes. Raul can't score to save his life.
3. Salgado needs to take his mind of Cicnho and play some ball. Otherwise, his worries will turn into a reality.
4. Gravassen can't pass or defend without a yellow card. Garcia....I didnt notice him doing anything very well.
5. Helguera........omg........sometimes he's good...sometimes he makes R Bravo look good.

6. 12 minutes of succesful attack from the opposition doesnt scare the season out of me.

7. 7 goals in the last 3 games does worry me a bit. Especially since we're always getting scored on first.

8. Luxa needs to organize his defense.

didnt we lose 3-0 away to leverkusen on the first match day last year? And we still went through. I am not too worried, although seeing the 3-0 scoreline at work was a little disheartening :S

after you see the match, u will feel better. :)
at some points we actually dominated Lyon.

in 2nd half ball posession was 63%-37% for us.
we played really good. but Lyon made a Fort Knox in there penalty area.

and just ignore all the haters. they dont even watch the matches. they just see the result and say that our defence sucks. :kader:

Ramos > Pavón

tell me 1 mistake, he made? ;)

lyon dominated madrid, if in the second half madrid had more posession is because lyon was winning by 3 goals... :boohoo:

i wouldnt trust someone who listens to Bon Jovi. :rolleyes: :p

did u see the match?

LOL
bon jovi :rofl:

I think that Gravensen has really had a huge dip in his form, maybe last year was the peak of his career because hes just been awful this season. Now Garcia has to step up.

i totally agree with Alianza. Gravesen has been terrible. :nape:

well thats our problem.. RM can not play with only 1 CDM...
and if we do ... We can not score any goals without a CAM... :boohoo:
maybe we should only play with 1 forward and use our wingers :fool:tt

- Gravesen...slow, not very bright, below overage passer, JUST CAN'T OPEN THE FIELD.
- P.Garcia...just not the fit Madrid was looking for, but can do a very good job recovering and better midfielder than Gravesen.

hopefully we realize we don't have a CDM, someone such as Javier Mascherano (H)

:Bow: "El roba-balones" Mascherano

I think Pablo Garcia is good enough to be our starting DM. In fact he was the best DM of last La Liga (perhaps Marquez had a similar performance)

well atleast Garcia have some thought around his challenges and not try to kick away the legs of his opponent like Gravesen does nowadays. :nape:

i dont know, i think Gravesen might just be havin a dip in form, a player cant go from good to bad in 4 months. I still wish we would have got Vieira.

i dont know, i think Gravesen might just be havin a dip in form, a player cant go from good to bad in 4 months. I still wish we would have got Vieira.
When your 30 something and your posicion depends on you being abe to swallow the field and be in the right place at the right time it could affect your game. Another thing to consider Gravesen has played most of his career in a small club and hasn't had to have hectic scheldule the Real has. Imagine how many preseason games he played last year to this year.

Well Real Madrid lost.Ronaldo and Zidane would have been useful but i am sure that Real Madrid will pass the group stage like last year.

just saw the lyon highlights, it wasnt as bad as the score made it seem, we actually had some good chances but didnt capitalize on it

the atmosphere seemed incredible at the stadium

how did salgado play? All i saw was him making violent/stupid fouls :nape:

also, ronnifan, i think mascherano is on his way to atletico in january

I dont understand football, really.


Its like we are cursed or something.

I totally agree with you Crus. We play better, but lose. The team needs to stop these early goals. They make us desperate.

i wouldnt trust someone who listens to Bon Jovi. :rolleyes: :p

did u see the match?

It's my fuc.king problem if I like or dislike Bon jovi, but the fact is that your team didn't play better than Lyon. Only Real Madrid supporters think that Madrid played better (and most of those supporters don't know **** about football)

LOL
bon jovi :rofl:

Do you have a problem with that?

I totally agree with you Crus. We play better, but lose. The team needs to stop these early goals. They make us desperate.

Oh come on, Madrid didn't play better today. I agree that against Celta you guys deserved to win.

Oh come on, Madrid didn't play better today. I agree that against Celta you guys deserved to win.

I thought we created more chances. Lyon scored from two unbelievably good free kicks and fast attack that started at the goalie. Coupet also had alot to do with the result.

I still wish we would have got Vieira.

Sour grapes.... :brow:

whats wrong with Bon Jovi ?? Im looking forward to the new album also. (Y)

Just like everything else, Madrid fans lack good taste in music also by the looks of it. Bad taste is a prerequisite ...they wouldn't be Madrid fans in the first place if that weren't true ;)

whats wrong with Bon Jovi ?? Im looking forward to the new album also. (Y)

Just like everything else, Madrid fans lack good taste in music also by the looks of it. Bad taste is a prerequisite ...they wouldn't be Madrid fans in the first place if that weren't true ;)

Bon Jovi is corny. U2 is the Best Band EVA!!!!!!

Anyways,...

Good news Nuno, Gol TV's schedule this Sunday...

>Domingo 18
Juventus x Ascoli
Cadiz x Villarreal
Espanyol x Real Madrid (H)!!!
Sao Paulo x Vasco
Alianza Lima x Universitario
Ind. Medellin x America
Sampdoria x Milan

:lui:

Bon Jovi is corny. U2 is the Best Band EVA!!!!!!


Not sure about that but I do know is that Bono is one of the biggest c*nts EVA!!!!!!

Anyways,...

Good news Nuno, Gol TV's schedule this Sunday...

>Domingo 18
Juventus x Ascoli
Cadiz x Villarreal
Espanyol x Real Madrid (H)!!!
Sao Paulo x Vasco
Alianza Lima x Universitario
Ind. Medellin x America
Sampdoria x Milan

:lui:

Good sunday lineup for me (Y)

I fell that i might not leave the couch all day

Only Real Madrid supporters think that Madrid played better (and most of those supporters don't know **** about football)

Well, we had more ball possesion + more shots on goal. Lyon had more efectiveness, thats all.

don't worry, we'll bounce back

if woody and ramos are healthy, do you think we should use helguera as a DM? He'd be a good partner with garcia if gravesen continues his poor form

if woody and ramos are healthy, do you think we should use helguera as a DM? He'd be a good partner with garcia if gravesen continues his poor form

Theres no way we use 2 DM when we will have less than 2 players out. The place besides the DM is reserved for Becks :(

we have to give this time. hopefully, we wont loose more matches now.
we have Espanyol on sunday and then a mid-week match against Athletic on wednesday. it's important to win both those matches and get back the morale and confidence in the team.

about yesterday's match. i think it looked better in defence, then it has in a long time. yes, we conceded. but you cant blame the defence for 2 free-kick goals. maybe for Wiltord's goal tho.

im confident, we'll bounce back on Sunday against Espanyol. then Ronie will be back. Robinho needs some rest now. maybe start him on the bench?

With Zizou and Ronie.. I wanna see Real Madrid-Lyon at Bernabeu. (6)

2 home games are next up in CL. Olympiakos and Rosenborg.

damn! talk about a tight schedule :o

18/09/05 Espanyol - Real Madrid
22/09/05 Real Madrid - Athletic
25/09/05 Alavés - Real Madrid

we have Espanyol on sunday and then a mid-week match against Athletic on wednesday.

OMG, the calendar is pretty thight. I wish we had 1 free week for training the tactic system with the full squad (Robinho and Ramos included).

Though winning 2 games in such short space of time could be a real moral boost.

Anyways,...

Good news Nuno, Gol TV's schedule this Sunday...

>Domingo 18
Juventus x Ascoli
Cadiz x Villarreal
Espanyol x Real Madrid (H)!!!
Sao Paulo x Vasco
Alianza Lima x Universitario
Ind. Medellin x America
Sampdoria x Milan

:lui:

It's always good when I don't have to wait hours(downloading) to watch Real Madrid.


Not sure about that but I do know is that Bono is one of the biggest c*nts EVA!!!!!!

You would say something like that, wouldn't you.

Bon Jovi is crap when compared to U2.

First of all now I see that Luxemburgo isn’t good coach. It was his idea of playing without wingers and whats worse he sell all winger players(IMO Beckham isn’t typical winger) . Almost all of our attack’s are from center what makes them very easy to defend. And there is no chance to buy good winger, before season ends(except buying some unknown player who would be able to play in CL). Another thing is that Luxemburgo can’t make sensual substitutions, even more, he almost don’t do any substitution. For example, last season Solari play VERY rarely, nowadays example, look for Diogo, in preseason he prove that he could be very usefull player, but now he nearly never play a single minute(or only few, I’m not sure).
And he fuc*ed up the tactics against Lyon: Gravesen on left? WTF! No true striker like Ronaldo in starting eleven, Robinho and Raul like to play in middle what makes as playing sometimes with no one in front. Robinho is player that likes to dribble few of defenders and then give ball to striker, but there was no striker on field yesterday. Baptista should play in attack he could play as striker(for now Julio looks like useless buy :()
And another very important thing is that we have ONLY one true playmaker, that is old and unstable. Yeah Zidane is legend, genius etc. but he have no strength to play as good as he used to.


IMO this could be another shi*y season. I know that there weren’t much game played, but sufficiently to see that we’re playing AT MOST good nothing more. There is nothing magical(what was in it 3 season before) left in our team playing now. We no longer have player with great technique in our team (i mean that Figo left and Zidane isn’t so good now).
But as I write before there weren’t much game, so I will give sometime more time to our players and coach and wait what will happens.

guys please stop talking about BonJovi, U2 here - go into a seperate thread or so - I don't come here and want to read Bono/U2 things, it's about football, about RM to be specific.

Woodgate on Grav, Becks, Mickey, Targets, Luxe etc (http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=307703&cpid=&CLID=186&lid=&title=Woody's+title+tilt+-+Revista&channel=skysports_home_page)

Anyways,...

Good news Nuno, Gol TV's schedule this Sunday...

>Domingo 18
Juventus x Ascoli
Cadiz x Villarreal
Espanyol x Real Madrid (H)!!!
Sao Paulo x Vasco
Alianza Lima x Universitario
Ind. Medellin x America
Sampdoria x Milan

:lui:

Good they show Real Madrid this week. :hump:

OMG, the calendar is pretty thight. I wish we had 1 free week for training the tactic system with the full squad (Robinho and Ramos included).

Though winning 2 games in such short space of time could be a real moral boost.

I think the Espanyol game will be very important for our players confidence, if we dont win that match than i can see the team having a lot of trouble with the other matches in this tight scheduale.

Also i think Luxe is too arrogant at times, he says he dosnt care what the media or anyone thinks of his tactic. He should know that he needs to change his tactic when we are losing becuase it obivously is not working but he doesnt.

I think the Espanyol game will be very important for our players confidence, if we dont win that match than i can see the team having a lot of trouble with the other matches in this tight scheduale.

Also i think Luxe is too arrogant at times, he says he dosnt care what the media or anyone thinks of his tactic. He should know that he needs to change his tactic when we are losing becuase it obivously is not working but he doesnt.

A coach should never base his decisions on what the media says. Luxe just needs to gamble more with substitutions. He should have brought in Diogo and Soldado in yesterday's game.

Also i think Luxe is too arrogant at times, he says he dosnt care what the media or anyone thinks of his tactic. He should know that he needs to change his tactic when we are losing becuase it obivously is not working but he doesnt.

The problem may be not the tactic itself, but the players havent get used to it yet. Specially with this kind of tactics, that gives players a lot of freedom, so depends a lot of players inspiration to work.

I don't know who said this...

-----
I wouldn't bet on my money that Ronalod would have scored, he is no tricky player like Robinho and dribble trough 2 walls of defenders is something he can't - there's plenty of other things he can - if there is space and speed.
-----

...but it's obviously someone who has never seen Ronaldo play. I haven't seen too many RM games, but I did see him playing for Barcelona and he could go through 10 walls of defenders if he wanted.
Yes, he's not in his best shape atm, but there is no doubt he got the skills.

I hear so many say that ronaldo is such a crappy player etc. these days. Yes, he has gained a few pounds, but still he can outrun just about any player in the world, and if i'm not to wrong he came 3rd in the top-scorer list in spain last season?
and his dribbeling skills are beyond most strikers playing today.

Very strange. Gravesen has 1 or 2 bad games and he should be dropped, yet Raul has been even worse for the past two years and he should remain as captain (plus Madrid would have left with a point if he had put his chances away)? The problem in here with the "Madridistas" is that you are more concerned with the way things look than the way they should be.

Formations, player purchases and sales and this silly idea that the whole team should be spanish is what is leading to the clubs undoing (Spain isn't even really that good).

I don't know who said this...

-----
I wouldn't bet on my money that Ronalod would have scored, he is no tricky player like Robinho and dribble trough 2 walls of defenders is something he can't - there's plenty of other things he can - if there is space and speed.
-----

...but it's obviously someone who has never seen Ronaldo play. I haven't seen too many RM games, but I did see him playing for Barcelona and he could go through 10 walls of defenders if he wanted.
Yes, he's not in his best shape atm, but there is no doubt he got the skills.

I hear so many say that ronaldo is such a crappy player etc. these days. Yes, he has gained a few pounds, but still he can outrun just about any player in the world, and if i'm not to wrong he came 3rd in the top-scorer list in spain last season?
and his dribbeling skills are beyond most strikers playing today.

Ronaldo is still one of the best striker in the world .He can still outrun defence player and his skill are the best it just he dosent use his skill all the time to beat defence but he still got it.All the saying that is fat make me laugh cuz now he more muscle then before and some players have told that it true.

A coach should never base his decisions on what the media says. Luxe just needs to gamble more with substitutions. He should have brought in Diogo and Soldado in yesterday's game.

I agree he shoudlnt base it on the media but if all he is doing is attacking the middle and it aint working than he obiviously needs to change it. Maybe facenside is right that it should be given more time. I also agree about the subs, he waits too long to put them in.

I think that Luxe should try and rotate players since our bench is better this year. He really needs to give Diogo and Woodgate a try. Let's see what they can do.

i believe we should give Diogo a better chance.. hes a good defender :jambo:
and probably play better than salgado :)
also maybe woodgate.. we havents seen him play ... maybe hes gettin better than wat we expected ...
i am just disappointed at the way we played against Lyon...
when Lyon attacked we should have had all of our team defending.. in a block ... like 4 mids and 4 defenders...
but we werent
i think that is wat luxa should focus on... what to do when the team does not have the ball... how to move as a team, so **** wont happen when salgado looses a ball and they score on us
:jap:

All the saying that is fat make me laugh cuz now he more muscle then before and some players have told that it true.

exactly...

i'm no RM fan, infact i'm a huge barca fan, but Ronaldo is a legend and anyone ho talks badly about him is just ignorant. :Bow: Ronaldo :Bow:

I don't know who said this...

...but it's obviously someone who has never seen Ronaldo play. I haven't seen too many RM games, but I did see him playing for Barcelona and he could go through 10 walls of defenders if he wanted.
Yes, he's not in his best shape atm, but there is no doubt he got the skills.

I hear so many say that ronaldo is such a crappy player etc. these days. Yes, he has gained a few pounds, but still he can outrun just about any player in the world, and if i'm not to wrong he came 3rd in the top-scorer list in spain last season?
and his dribbeling skills are beyond most strikers playing today.


it was me and no I've seen him play plenty of times. (live and on tv)
what made me say that and most of you took as a personal vendetta.

Lyons midfield & defence was extremly solid, tight and physical, basicly everything Ronaldo hates - it wouldn't have been a game for Owen either or these types of strikers.

For these games you need someone like Robinho, much more "elastic" to turn sides quickly to go past them. But that's just my opinion of corse.

at Barca he was a different player than for RM, most fantastic goals he scored there were long solo runs and dribblings but he got SPACE; LESS PHYSICAL CONTACT there.

+ I didn't say he's a fattie or a bad striker now, I never did before.

it was me and no I've seen him play plenty of times. (live and on tv)
what made me say that and most of you took as a personal vendetta.

Lyons midfield & defence was extremly solid, tight and physical, basicly everything Ronaldo hates - it wouldn't have been a game for Owen either or these types of strikers.

For these games you need someone like Robinho, much more "elastic" to turn sides quickly to go past them. But that's just my opinion of corse.

at Barca he was a different player than for RM, most fantastic goals he scored there were long solo runs and dribblings but he got SPACE; LESS PHYSICAL CONTACT there.

+ I didn't say he's a fattie or a bad striker now, I never did before.

well it seems like you know your stuff, and I did not see the Lyon game, however I've seen Ronaldo dealing with situations, you describe as the once he hates, very very well. He has great a physique.
But naturally you are entitled to your opinion :)

Luxa did change his formation. we were playing the diamond against Lyon.

------------P.Garcia------------
--Beckham-----------Gravesen--
------------Baptista------------

we dont know how to defend when we dont have the ball.. thats our problem
i think luxa should play like this:
--------------casillas--------------
diogo---helguera---ramos---r.carlos-
--------------P.garcia---------------
-beckham----------------baptista
--------robinho------zidane-----
-------------ronaldo-------------

with a team like this.. we will attack with our wings.. and be more defensive at the same time

i like that but i think this is better:

----------------Casillas--------------
Salgado---Helguera---S.Ramos---R.Carlos-
---------------Gravesen---------------
--Beckham--------------------Zidane--
---------Baptista------Robinho-----
----------------Ronaldo-------------

but Raul will always play, so i guess either Zidane, Robinho or Baptista would have to drop out or even Gravesen and have Baptista as DM, but i dont really like him playin there.

But that formation is class :rockman:

why the hell was tommy on the left? I didnt get that at all

also, luxe should not listen to the fans/critics, he is the one in charge, no one else

why the hell was tommy on the left? I didnt get that at all

also, luxe should not listen to the fans/critics, he is the one in charge, no one else
i think people coments are really getting into every1...
me personally , i dont like the way we are playing, and i think luxa should focus on defendin as a team and not only attacking :boohoo:
We dont want to waste time, cuz if he doesnt change his formation now, he will regret when we get to 2nd place and 3 points away from barza :jambo:

mmm... i don't know what to say first, so i will spit it all out

we have lost all our 'luck'. the 'luck' (it wasn't exactly luck, but i don't know how to call it) we had last season, when we won a lot of matches after being dominated... the 'luck' to score 2 goals in 3 shots... the 'luck' Casillas had to save every shot. yesterday, we were dominating, but in 2 FK -> 2 goals, and that was it. We became the victim, the unlucky team who receive 2 goals in 2 shots after being in control of the match, and Lyon became last season's Real Madrid.

i'm not worried about 'el cuadrado' and all that, because i believe it will work out, with the right players:

Gravesen Guti
Beckham Baptista
Robinho Ronaldo

Raul can't play as a forward, and he shouldn't start anymore. he's a ghost. i don't care if he's the symbol/leyend/captain of the team, he doesn't deserve a spot in the XI.

i finally understood why we bought Diogo and Cicinho, and why we have seen all these rumors about Salgado leaving... Michel doesn't fit in this formation. We need a RB like Cicinho, someone who can run up and down without getting tired in 15min. and we need some backups. w/o Zidane and Ronaldo, we didn't have any replacements for Robinho/Raul/Baptista/Beckham... only Guti.

after CL match, i had a deja vú

last season
CL: B. Leverkusen 3-0 R. Madrid
Liga: Espanyol 1-0 R. Madrid
Camacho out

this season
CL: Lyon 3-0 R. Madrid
Liga: Espanyol ?-? R. Madrid :rolleyes:

i believe in Luxa, so i'd be sad if he resigns or something.

Hala Madrid! Siempre Fieles :jap:

You had Soldado

I'm speechless.


What do we need to do to win consistently?

:nape:

i like that but i think this is better:

----------------Casillas--------------
Salgado---Helguera---S.Ramos---R.Carlos-
---------------Gravesen---------------
--Beckham--------------------Zidane--
---------Baptista------Robinho-----
----------------Ronaldo-------------

but Raul will always play, so i guess either Zidane, Robinho or Baptista would have to drop out or even Gravesen and have Baptista as DM, but i dont really like him playin there.

But that formation is class :rockman:

I like that lineup/formation too - it's well balanced and Baptista can not only push forward, but aswell help Gravesen out. Robinho has his "freedom to dribble" and cut in which should open space to Ronaldo. Basicly it was lyons line up against us, another reason why the played balanced and were hard to get caught on attacks see @ http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UCL/FixturesResults/Round=2201/Match=1100260/Report=TL.html

but can't we play somebody else instead of Salgado ? Ramos - and Woody at CB ? What Ramos natural position ?

I like that lineup/formation too - it's well balanced and Baptista can not only push forward, but aswell help Gravesen out. Robinho has his "freedom to dribble" and cut in which should open space to Ronaldo. Basicly it was lyons line up against us, another reason why the played balanced and were hard to get caught on attacks see @ http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UCL/FixturesResults/Round=2201/Match=1100260/Report=TL.html

but can't we play somebody else instead of Salgado ? Ramos - and Woody at CB ? What Ramos natural position ?

Ramos natural position is RB, i think.

i thought about it. and i think the key to getting our play back is putting Raúl in midfield again. when he played there last year, it worked so much better. more control and we didnt get dominated like what has happened in the last 2 games.

a 4-5-1 come to mind, with 2 OMF's in Baptista and Robinho. and Raúl on the left. (this is without Zidane, since hes injured for a couple weeks more)

----------------Casillas-----------------
Salgado---Helguera---S.Ramos---R.Carlos-
---------------Gravesen-----------------
--Beckham--------------------Raúl------
---------Baptista------Robinho--------
----------------Ronaldo---------------

what you think ?

a big + for us is that Espanyol's best striker Raul Tamudo misses the match. he's out for 15 days. and maybe De La Pena misses it too, cause him and the coach arent friends right now.

what you think ?

I still believe its better to place Raul in his natural position, besides Ronaldo, so he open spaces that the striker can take advantage of.

a big + for us is that Espanyol's best striker Raul Tamudo misses the match. he's out for 15 days. and maybe De La Pena misses it too, cause him and the coach arent friends right now.

As long as we dont lose 1-0 otherwise, its gonna be like last year. :kader: :nape:

I cant really comment on Raul becuase i havnt seen the last two mathces.

Someone said that Cicinho is gonna replace Salgado..

I dont think Cicinho is supposed to take Salgado's place.

Cicinho isnt good enough (yet) to run up and down the field to attack and defend.

Salgado is a more solid player so he should be RB as long as R. Carlos plays.

Cicinho should play in midfield and have Ramos play RCB in a three man defense with Helguera and.. Just sort it out

you mean, something like this ....

Casillas
Helguera
Ramos Woodgate
Cicinho Gravesen R. Carlos
Beckham Baptista
Robinho Ronaldo

:confused: ?

that could actually work . we would have a solid defence (at least, more defenders), Cicinho (or Salgado) and R. Carlos could attack and defend better, and the 4 up-front would have enough freedom to do whatever they want. and considering that we have more defenders than midfielders in the bench, we would have as backups:

Helguera/Ramos/Woody -> Pavon, Mejia, Diogo, R. Bravo
Cicinho/Gravesen/R. Carlos -> Salgado (Cicinho), Diogo, Pablo Garcia, Guti, De La Red, R. Bravo
Beckham/Baptista -> Diogo, Zidane, Raul, Guti
Robinho/Ronaldo -> Raul, Guti, Soldado

i will send a e-mail to Luxemburgo :fool: he will still have his 'cuadrado' with Beckham/Baptista/Robinho/Ronaldo (6)

you mean, something like this ....

Casillas
Helguera
Ramos Woodgate
Cicinho Gravesen R. Carlos
Beckham Baptista
Robinho Ronaldo

:confused: ?

that could actually work . we would have a solid defence (at least, more defenders), Cicinho (or Salgado) and R. Carlos could attack and defend better, and the 4 up-front would have enough freedom to do whatever they want. and considering that we have more defenders than midfielders in the bench, we would have as backups:

Helguera/Ramos/Woody -> Pavon, Mejia, Diogo, R. Bravo
Cicinho/Gravesen/R. Carlos -> Salgado (Cicinho), Diogo, Pablo Garcia, Guti, De La Red, R. Bravo
Beckham/Baptista -> Diogo, Zidane, Raul, Guti
Robinho/Ronaldo -> Raul, Guti, Soldado

i will send a e-mail to Luxemburgo :fool: he will still have his 'cuadrado' with Beckham/Baptista/Robinho/Ronaldo (6)

Please do that. Then every game will be 3-0 to the other team.

I watched the entire first half last night. Those of you who said Gravesen was on the left didn't see the game. Our formation was 4-2-2-2.

----------------Casillas--------------
Salgado---Helguera--Ramos---R.Carlos
-------Gravesen------P.Garcia-------
--Beckham--------------Baptista-----
---------Robinho----Raul-------------

This was our formation the last time we won a title. (:/)

Last year Luxa, won 7 games, and lost 2. Then won a bunch more than lost a few....

up and down, up and down. More wins than loses.

You lot are still top heavy.

']Someone said that Cicinho is gonna replace Salgado..

I dont think Cicinho is supposed to take Salgado's place.

Cicinho isnt good enough (yet) to run up and down the field to attack and defend.

Salgado is a more solid player so he should be RB as long as R. Carlos plays.

Cicinho should play in midfield and have Ramos play RCB in a three man defense with Helguera and.. Just sort it outYes, we've had discussions about this 3-4-1-2 formation.

---------------Casillas----------------
---S.Ramos---Helguera---Woodgate---
---------Gravesen--P.Garcia-----------
---Beckham----------------Ro.Carlos--
--------------J.Baptista---------------
--------Ronaldo-------RauL------------

why are we going to play with 2 forwards.. if raul is always a ghost in the game...
its better to have some1 else with Ronaldo... maybe Robinho or Soldado

I watched the entire first half last night. Those of you who said Gravesen was on the left didn't see the game. Our formation was 4-2-2-2.

----------------Casillas--------------
Salgado---Helguera--Ramos---R.Carlos
-------Gravesen------P.Garcia-------
--Beckham--------------Baptista-----
---------Robinho----Raul-------------

This was our formation the last time we won a title. (:/)
oh i didnt know that

i just saw the lineup and the highlights...they had him listed on the left

Yes, we've had discussions about this 3-4-1-2 formation.

---------------Casillas----------------
---S.Ramos---Helguera---Woodgate---
---------Gravesen--P.Garcia-----------
---Beckham----------------Ro.Carlos--
--------------J.Baptista---------------
--------Ronaldo-------RauL------------

I am not sure of it but Raul i think need to play midfield too last year he was not so bad and put Robinho upfront with Ronaldo.

What should Wanderlei Luxemburgo fix at Real Madrid? The whole team is a mess...

- Beckham (I think he shouldn't be given the responsibility of having to defend, he obviously tries sometimes and isn't bad, but he is just not fit for the midfield defense...Luxa should let him roam freely in the right midfield especially in wing attacks)
- Raul's case is a strange one, since he can't carry his success from game to game. He has always been a LF, so I wouldn't like to see him in the midfield.
- Zidane (from his extensive injuries it's had to see him contributing anything at all this year especially since he still playing for his NT and can not put 100% effort in every single game for either team...he should've let the WC dream fade away)
- J.Baptista (it's still too early to see what will be his role/position in the team, we aviously would be wastin his talend in the midfield defence, he could really take a role like that of Decos (couldn't think of anybody else :() who very often comes down to defend but isn't his priority. He shouldn't also be left upfield as a striker, he has too many midfielder qualities that benefits the team as an extra defender.
- P.Garcia is NATURAL CM who isn't necessarily a CDM but at Madrid that's the only position that would benefit us. I hope I see soon the "pablo garcia" that I saw at Osasuna (I watched some of his games since Javier Aguillere coaches them)
- Gravesen (another player who is really playing a wasted postion for us, he just doesn't contribute much to the attack...and I know what his duties are but a nice pass every now and then doesnt hurt)

Primarily the midfield since Luxa keeps changin it every game...

Defenders: They just need to get aquainted more, serious work has to be done but with Ramos' arrival I think we're save for the next couple of years. Salgado declines w/ every game...Cicinho will be our RB (not RM) <---that's Joaquin's position. ;)

Forwards: They havent shined, because the team isn't working together...individually Ronaldo is still very good, Raul is coming back to form...sometime soon I hope.

it'll be an interesting weekend for sure, win or lose. I have faith in luxemborgo, he will make us happy. Hopefully woody will eventually get into a game

- P.Garcia is NATURAL CM who isn't necessarily a CDM but at Madrid that's the only position that would benefit us. I hope I see soon the "pablo garcia" that I saw at Osasuna (I watched some of his games since Javier Aguillere coaches them)
.
No my friend i P. Garcia is a Cdm to the purest effect. Gravesen was a Cm before coming to Real but has taken the Cdm. But Garcia Cdm all the way.

ok, time for some articles...haven't done this in awhile

helguera has offers in england and italy, he could leave in january since his contract is up in june :(

http://www.as.com/articulo.html?xref=20050916dasdaiftb_27&anchor=dasftb&type=Tes&d_date=20050916

looks like garcia will take over tommy's spot

http://www.as.com/articulo.html?d_date=20050916&xref=20050916dasdaiftb_25&type=Tes&anchor=dasftb

robinho praises luxe and his system

http://www.as.com/articulo.html?d_date=20050916&xref=20050916dasdaiftb_22&type=Tes&anchor=dasftb

we need more speed on the team

http://www.as.com/articulo.html?xref=20050916dasdaiftb_23&anchor=dasftb&type=Tes&d_date=20050916

more on the system in marca

http://www.marca.com/primeras/05/09/g0915.jpg

Please do that. Then every game will be 3-0 to the other team.

even if the other team is Thun? (6)

i've been thinking about it, and i'd like to see this lineup vs. Espanyol:

Casillas
Helguera
Ramos Pavón*
Gravesen Baptista
Beckham Raúl R. Carlos
Robinho Ronaldo

*if Woody isn't ready...

something like a 3-5-2, with Baptista coming from behind to help in the attack. but it won't happen :(. AS says that our lineup will be

Casillas
Salgado Helguera Ramos R. Carlos
P. García Baptista
Beckham Raúl
Robinho Ronaldo

yeah, Gravesen in the bench... :rolleyes:

AS says that our lineup will be

Casillas
Salgado Helguera Ramos R. Carlos
P. García Baptista
Beckham Raúl
Robinho Ronaldo

yeah, Gravesen in the bench... :rolleyes:

Casillas
Ramos Helguera Woodgate R. Carlos
Gravesen Baptista
Beckham Raúl
Robinho Ronaldo

if we use that strange system, I'd go for these players.¨
this would enable Becks the defensive freedom, Raul would have a bit more space, Robi will open spaces then for Ronaldo. Baptista coming forward whenever he "likes", with Gravesen securing behind him. Salgado would be replaced by Ramos, who might be less offensive but better defensive wise. and for fs...play Woody, he's fit now isn't he ?

yeah, Gravesen in the bench... :rolleyes:

At the moment i prefer Pablo over Gravesen, as Pablo is a true DM, and has played all his career there, and Gravesen is a reconverted CM.

i prefer pablo at the moment too

hopefully we can a solid lineup figured out sometime soon. I also hope woody finally plays :lui:

Today's training has left very interesting things! From what realmadrid.com says, this could be the lineup vs Espanyol.

------------Iker------------
-Salgado--Helg--Ramos--RC-
------------Garcia----------
---Becks-------------Raul---
-----------Baptista---------
-------Robinho--Ronaldo----

Garcia instead of Gravesen, Baptista in the middle and Raul coming from the left! :rockman:

BTW Robinho has shaved his head completely

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/f58b65robinho1p.jpg

facenside that looks like a good formation, i want to see us play that Looks like the diamond from last year just different players. So Raul is going to play as a winger??hmmm interesting indeed.

BTW Robinho has shaved his head completely

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/f58b65robinho1p.jpg

Maybe he going for the Ronaldo style. :)

Today's training has left very interesting things! From what realmadrid.com says, this could be the lineup vs Espanyol.

------------Iker------------
-Salgado--Helg--Ramos--RC-
------------Garcia----------
---Becks-------------Raul---
-----------Baptista---------
-------Robinho--Ronaldo----

that's way better that "el cuadrado" :lui:

Espanyol has 3 important players out for sunday's match: Tamudo (out 3 weeks), Zabaleta and... Juanfran (H) (thx god, i was having nightmares of him scoring a couple of goals...). If Juanfran plays, Espanyol will have to pay us some $$$ (he's on loan there).

however, De La Peña would start. (C)

this is wat it says in RM website:
"Pablo García y David Beckham formaron la pareja de centrocampistas, con Roberto Carlos y Salgado por los laterales. Baptista actuando prácticamente de enganche, con Raúl volcado a la izquierda y Ronaldo y Robinho de pareja de ataque."

It means that Garcia and Beckham are playing as CMs.... :boohoo: (not really wat i expected). Meanwhile R.Carlos and Salgado :boohoo: were used as our wingers...
Baptista as a CAM and Raul on the left... Ronaldo and Robinho on front...
i just dont understand this...
where is raul at??? if he is on the left.. who is on the right...
:rolleyes:

this is wat it says in RM website:
"Pablo García y David Beckham formaron la pareja de centrocampistas, con Roberto Carlos y Salgado por los laterales. Baptista actuando prácticamente de enganche, con Raúl volcado a la izquierda y Ronaldo y Robinho de pareja de ataque."

It means that Garcia and Beckham are playing as CMs.... :boohoo: (not really wat i expected). Meanwhile R.Carlos and Salgado :boohoo: were used as our wingers...
Baptista as a CAM and Raul on the left... Ronaldo and Robinho on front...
i just dont understand this...
where is raul at??? if he is on the left.. who is on the right...
:rolleyes:


I guess it'll look like this.

------------Iker-----------
---------Ivan--Sergio------
Michel---------------Carlos
-----------Pablo-----------
---Becks-------------------
---------------------Raul--
----------Julio-------------
----Robinho----------------
----------------Ronaldo----

Becks and Michel on the right and RC and Raul on the left. Baptista will be given attacking freedom, which is a good thing.

I like it better than what we have been playing


Let's see how Pablo Garcia does .... :)

i like baptista in the middle, i like it a lot

i think pablo garcia will impress on sunday :jambo:

If we dont win on Sunday, then I say start all over.
Madrid NEED a win. No tie, a WIN.

A win is definatley needed after the weeks drubbing at the hands of Lyon. Hopefully the team takes the initiative to come onto the field and play hard for a quick and decisive victory.

BTW where is Zidane? And I guess Ronaldo is back from injury? He was injured, right?

A win is definatley needed after the weeks drubbing at the hands of Lyon. Hopefully the team takes the initiative to come onto the field and play hard for a quick and decisive victory.

BTW where is Zidane? And I guess Ronaldo is back from injury? He was injured, right?
Zidane is still injured and out for 2 more weeks...

How'd he get injured? And also, when?

A win is definatley needed after the weeks drubbing at the hands of Lyon. Hopefully the team takes the initiative to come onto the field and play hard for a quick and decisive victory.

BTW where is Zidane? And I guess Ronaldo is back from injury? He was injured, right?
Ronaldo was supsended. Zidane was and still is injured. Ronaldo is suspended for 1 more CL game.

How'd he get injured? And also, when?

During the Irland-France international match :(

this new system looks interesting, to say the least!

Baptista as OMF! Finally :rockman:

I think we should stick with the ogre for the espanyol match. He'll come through for us. I almost pity Espanyol...our players have so much to prove, i believe we'll walk aaaaallllll over them. Mark my words

Peace

Condolences and sympathies to the Katrina victims

damn, looking over these potential lineups really blows me away, we have so much offensive firepower and that's without zidane

i hope we can get it together vs. espanyol

Starting Tomorrow, we have five matches in two weeks ...

Away : September 18 - Espanyol - Real Madrid
Home : September 21 - Real Madrid - Athletic Bilbao
Away : September 25 - Alavés - Real Madrid
Home : September 28 - Real Madrid - Olympiacos CFB
Home : October 2 - Real Madrid - Mallorca

Glad we have a lot of depth.

I think tomorrow we'll win by two goals.


Also, Castilla is beating Tenerife 1-0 on a goal by Soldado :jambo:

I expect a big victory tommorow.Ronaldo will score and maybe Robinho will get his first goal with Real Madrid.

I just realized there is a Real Madrid B in La Liga division 2? What happens if they got promoted? 2 Real Madrids in 1 league? :|

They can't be promoted.

As long that Real Madrid is in 1 league Real Madrid B can go to the 1 league even if they get the chance to get promoted.

****. Castilla lost 2-1 at the Bernabeu :(.

As long [as] that Real Madrid is in [the] 1[st] league, Real Madrid B can[n't] go to the 1[st] league even if they get the chance to get promoted.

Is that what you meant? That the B team can't be promoted no matter what? Sure would be weird to have two Real Madrids.

Is that what you meant? That the B team can't be promoted no matter what? Sure would be weird to have two Real Madrids.

Yep it would be weird to have two Real Madrids team.

ok guys, let's start the predictions :jambo:

0-2

Ronaldo, Robinho

I say 0-2 : Ronaldo, La Bestia

i ahvent posted for a while so i'll say.....3-1
Raul, Ronaldo and.......Baptista

i think 2-1

ronaldo and robinho (it won't get taken away this time :) )

the defense and midfield really need to get their act together, maybe pablo garcia will help

I have a strong feeling Robinho will score his first

2 or 3 - 1

Vamos !

Owen scored for Newcastle today, hopefully the old "when Owen scores Real win" thing will continue even though he's at Newcastle now. I think we will win 2-1 with the usuall nerve racking performance. :boohoo:

what if both RM's made it to the CL???!? :lui:

anyway, Robinho and Ronaldo will score today. 2-1 from behind as usual.

Confirmed lineups

Real Madrid

Casillas; Salgado, Helguera, Ramos, RC; Pablo García; Beckham, Baptista, Raúl; Robinho, Ronaldo

a 4-4-2, i don't know if a 'cuadrado' or a diamond. Woody on the bench :rockman:

Espanyol

Kameni; Jarque, Lopo, David García, Domi, Armando Sá; Ito, Costa, De la Peña; Corominas, Luis García

5-3-2 :| wow.

i predict... 1-1 :(

we are playing good. thats all i got to say.

0-0 at half-time. We are playing pretty good, its just hard when there is 6 or 7 defenders back there. Our defence has also been good but still they make some small mistakes that can add up to a goal :kader: Still we are doing good and we should get some goals and win this match.

HT 0-0

same old story

We are killing in terms of possesion, but we aren't playing with enough speed (with the exception to a couple chances) so by the time we are in Espanyol's third of the field, we can't do anything except take long shots.


We need to make some sort of change.


Espanyol are playing with 8 players behind the ball :|

0-0 HT

same story ...


We are killing in terms of possesion, but not playing with enough speed to do anything with Espanyol playing 9 behind the ball :|. We should make a change.


Oh, and Ronaldo is playing like sh*t.

Ronaldo has no luck against this keeper

guti in

Goal Jarque 1-0 Espanyol

1-0 Espanyol :rolleyes:

We suck so much..

1-0 in the 80th minute to espanyol :|

this is not good :nape:

F*ck this Sh*t.

Congratulations, Ramos and Baptista sent off. 0-1 lose. Hopefully Bilbao will have some mercy.

hahahaha (H) :lui: :lui: what an awesome day !

1-0 Espanyol :ewan: :ewan:

We are in really, REALLY deep sh*t!
:(

FT Espanyol 1-0 R.Madrid :)

Dont worry guys.. I can already see the 5-0 on thursday. (in madrids favor)

RM lost 1-0.... Time to send Luxemburgo home? Someone's gonna have to pay we all know that :P

dont worry guys, i can already see a 5-0 for Madrid on thursday

dont worry guys I can already see the 5-0 for madrid on thursday

As soon as I saw Luxe sub out Garcia for Guti, I said oh ****, here we go again. People say we have to many strikers, I say where? I only say one true stiker out there in Ronaldo. Raul, Robinho, and Baptista are support strikers at best. We have no out and out striker other than Ronaldo. Our defence worked really well with a true defensive midfielder in front of them. As soon as he was gone, the **** hit the fan. I mean c'mon if Luxe is so worried about Garcia seeing red, put Gravesen in there to mantain the balance. Then what happened to Diogo? Give the guy a chance. Or even Woody, make it a 3 man back line with two wing backs.

Horrible shot selection and poor coaching were our killers today. And Baptista's tackle was totally stupid. :kader:

We suck, we suck, we suck! :ewan:

We Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. (C)

the ref again :kader: the players went insane after so many mistakes :nape: we didn't deserve to win, we dominated the match, we had more chances, and we played very well until the 1-0

What in the hell is wrong with Real Madrid C.F. ? :|

I really not liking our season debut and i hope something will be made. :nape:

FT 1-0 for Espanol. :rolleyes:

What a bunch of ****. We were actually playing good today until the 1-0 than the team just lost it Ramos and Baptista sent off. That goal just killed us. ******* hell Robinho hit the post. Congrats Espanyol but god damn what a **** goal to lose to. :kader:

An absolutely incredible match against Espanyol, but sadly the team lost 1-0. It was a drama infested display, where Espanyol scored after a weird no call on a foul in the box. Some Espanyol scored on a header since the play continued. I must give it to the team who played their hearts out, but the squad simply couldn't get it done. Baptista and Garcia also got reds, which doesn't help for next week. Overall a crappy week for the team, 2 losses, no goals scored, 4 goals conceded. Incredible. Something's definately wrong, hopefully Luxe figures out what, very, very fast.

?

:kader:

Real lost again! :rofl: the refs hate real! :o

I wish I could see these posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dont worry guys, I can see the 5-0 for Madrid on thursday

I hate this begining of the season something sould be done. :nape:

i guess no1 wants to talk about the lost today... i am really mad at the way things are going...i even went to my friend's house to see the game and i was really disappointed :kader:
Sergio Ramos was send off... but i wouldnt blame him, due that he had to commit both faults
but Baptista foul was really bad... i know it wasnt intentionall.. but the poor player must be injured for more than a month :kader:

really sad to see RM play like this
Leverkusen 0-3, Espanyo 0-1 , coach fired
Lyon 0-3 , Espanyol 0-1 , coach .......... :rolleyes:

Atletico beat Barca 2-1, Barcelona are ahead of us with only 1 point.

i guess no1 wants to talk about the lost today... i am really mad at the way things are going...i even went to my friend's house to see the game and i was really disappointed :kader:
Sergio Ramos was send off... but i wouldnt blame him, due that he had to commit both faults
but Baptista foul was really bad... i know it wasnt intentionall.. but the poor player must be injured for more than a month :kader:

really sad to see RM play like this
Leverkusen 0-3, Espanyo 0-1 , coach fired
Lyon 0-3 , Espanyol 0-1 , coach .......... :rolleyes:

what a $hitty result

Another defeat and two red cards. Not bad.

Another defeat and two red cards. Wow.

How come nobody wrote here since the match? :|

Ok, this defeat hurts. We didnt deserve to lose, but neither to win.

In the first half, the problem was the players. It seems we were winning 0-3 or so. What a lack of mobility and dinamism. It feel strange to me see some new players like Baptista with no attitude at all. It seems he knows he has the spot guaranteed...

In the second half, the problem was Luxa. Guti entrance was right, we needed him but... Why did he choose Pablo as the subbed player? Luxa is too coward to sit the beings of Raul or Baptista (lost N balls today). Without Garcia, De la Peña got the control of the midfield.

About the goal, it was illegal (if a referee whistle, you HAVE to stop the game); but he would have give a penalty, so its the same.

I see everything black, very black ... :(

And then the goal,

Oh my, i actually feel sad for Madrid now. In supposedly your year, you got the worst possible start, i expect some huge bashing coming your way. Damn, that's what i call tough luck.

i guess no1 wants to talk about the lost today... i am really mad at the way things are going...i even went to my friend's house to see the game and i was really disappointed :kader:
Sergio Ramos was send off... but i wouldnt blame him, due that he had to commit both faults
but Baptista foul was really bad... i know it wasnt intentionall.. but the poor player must be injured for more than a month :kader:

really sad to see RM play like this
Leverkusen 0-3, Espanyo 0-1 , coach fired
Lyon 0-3 , Espanyol 0-1 , coach .......... :rolleyes:

wtf is wrong with SG??? :rolleyes:

btw, you can see all the post selecting "Thread Mode" in "Display Modes" :fool:

about RM, we don't have any luck. another poor ref, after kicking Espanyol's ass for 65 min, and that ******* bastard killed us: why the **** he blew the whistle and then, let the play continue?? :kader:

We were playing against De La Peña + 10 ****ty players (like Garcia :fool: ), we had more chances, more possession... but we didn't score :( (we missed MICHAEL OWEN!!!)

why Raul keeps starting?? he's so **** lately.

overall, i'm not worried. we're just 1 point behind Barcelona, our one and trully rival for the title. :jambo:

FT Espanyol 1-0 R.Madrid :)

Patetico 2-1 Barcelona :ewan:

ah, and Luxa won't resign. He isn't a big pussy like Camacho. With Camacho, we were playing horrible and losing with stupid goals. With Luxa, we are playing well, and losing without deserving it. :jap:

I expect a big victory tommorow.Ronaldo will score and maybe Robinho will get his first goal with Real Madrid.


Say what??? :rofl: :rofl:

Another defeat and two red cards. Wow.

i guess no1 wants to talk about the lost today... i am really mad at the way things are going...i even went to my friend's house to see the game and i was really disappointed :kader:
Sergio Ramos was send off... but i wouldnt blame him, due that he had to commit both faults
but Baptista foul was really bad... i know it wasnt intentionall.. but the poor player must be injured for more than a month :kader:

really sad to see RM play like this
Leverkusen 0-3, Espanyo 0-1 , coach fired
Lyon 0-3 , Espanyol 0-1 , coach .......... :rolleyes:

Raul and Ronaldo really sucked cock today.


We couldn't do anything apart from take 25+ yard shots against Espanyol's 8 man defense :nape:

Will you post that one more time Vince ???


:|

i dont know whats more ****ed up, our form or the reliability of this board

Not really happy how the season has started. :nape:

yes for some reason I cant view the end of this tread, i know there is more to it becuase it says when the last post is whenviwing from the team thread fourm, that last post i can read is this:


Confirmed lineups

Real Madrid

Casillas; Salgado, Helguera, Ramos, RC; Pablo García; Beckham, Baptista, Raúl; Robinho, Ronaldo

a 4-4-2, i don't know if a 'cuadrado' or a diamond. Woody on the bench :rockman:

Espanyol

Kameni; Jarque, Lopo, David García, Domi, Armando Sá; Ito, Costa, De la Peña; Corominas, Luis García

5-3-2 :| wow.

i predict... 1-1 :(

yeah so madrid lost again 1-0, ramos and baptista both red carded, :ewan:

Madrid is considering to impugn the match result, as the Espanyol goal is illegal, since when u whistle you cant apply the advantage rule. The whole match would be replayed.

http://www.as.com/articulo.html?xref=20050919dasdaiftb_21&anchor=dasftb&type=Tes&d_date=20050919

Espanyol 1 - Real Madrid 0

:lui: :lui: :lui:

Real's transfers this summer really seems to help... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

seems like this summers transfers are really helping :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Another defeat and two red cards. Well done.

Has the site been down or something???

Don't worry I predict madrid wins 5-0 on thursday

Another defeat and two red cards. Wow.

Anybody still here ?
the forum seems a bit death to me ?

11-0
















Oh, wait...(C)

Has the site been down or something???

:drevil: technical problems :drevil:

Madrid is considering to impugn the match result, as the Espanyol goal is illegal, since when u whistle you cant apply the advantage rule. The whole match would be replayed.

http://www.as.com/articulo.html?xref=20050919dasdaiftb_21&anchor=dasftb&type=Tes&d_date=20050919

mmm... i guess we could do that, but why for? the rest of the teams (most of them 'antimadridistas', like Valencia, Barcelona, Atletico, Depor, Athletic, Sevilla...) would whine FOREVER, and if the refs keep acting like retards, we wouldn't have too much support to change them or anything.

is it me, or Villar is behind all this? yesterday, Atletico also suffered from the bad refs (guess what... against Barcelona). Pablo received a red card for a little foul outside the box.

ah, Helguera is very doubtful for thursday's match (http://www.marca.es/edicion/marca/futbol/1a_division/real_madrid/es/desarrollo/560469.html). with Ramos already out, Woodgate could debut in La Liga as a starter. imho, i prefer one-legged Woody than Mejia or Bravo. (C) :ewan:

seems like this summers transfers really has helped real...

looks like this summers transfers really has helped real...

can we post again?

when will this thing be FIXED?!?!

this is such an annoying way of viewing posts!! :kader:

Anyway, Madrid are at another must win situation on Wednesday. PLUS I hope they can get that Espanyol game annuled.

F*ck off man

I support both Juventus and Barcelona, been like that for ever and will stay like that for ever.

pfffft. :rolleyes:

the threads been so empty since the defeat, i got some news for us:

Helguera Cud leave on a free (http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=308799&CPID=23&CLID=186&lid=&title=Helguera+hints+at+Real+exit&channel=spain)

Casillas unhappy with contract talks (http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=308657&CPID=23&CLID=186&lid=&title=Casillas+future+in+Real+doubt&channel=spain)

Real could appeal against Espanyol defeat (http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=309074&cpid=23&CLID=186&lid=&title=Real+appeal+Espanyol+defeat&channel=spain)

Beckham in slap claim (http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=308838&CPID=23&CLID=186&lid=&title=Beckham+cited+in+slap+claim&channel=spain)

Sergio Ramos blaims Reff (http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=308853&CPID=23&CLID=186&lid=&title=Real+star+in+ref+rant&channel=spain)

lets get this thread movin guys.

F*ck off man

I support both Juventus and Barcelona, been like that for ever and will stay like that for ever.

pfffft. :rolleyes: