number 11 = 1 + 1 = 2

:P

Number 2 = Salgado = the number he cannot have

number 11 = 1 + 1 = 2

:P

Number 2 = Salgado = the number he cannot have
makes sense to me

still is gonna be real interesting to see where he plays, i still think salgado is leaving sooner rather than later

makes sense to me

still is gonna be real interesting to see where he plays, i still think salgado is leaving sooner rather than later

I hope Salgado dosnt leave, i hope Cicinho turns out to be a good player for us.

I hope Cicinho can play on the left and give Roberto a long holidays...

Can Cicinho play in the left to give some break to R.Carlos ?

number 11 = 1 + 1 = 2

:P


:D hah ... nice save

i hope we could use Cicinho on the left side :jambo:

Ronaldo is injured and will miss the 1st leg Cup match vs Atlethic at Bernabeu. I suppose Caro won't make strange experiments like Luxa, and will place Soldado upfront as his direct sub.

BTW in today's training Cicinho played as RB, but Salgado wasn't present, so this doesn't give much info at all.

One last thing, check out the video at the bottom of this article (http://www.realmadrid.com/articulo/rma28244.htm) . It's a ranking with our best 10 goals of the season so far, and i think both the goals and the music are great :) Does somebody know how the song is named?

you kidding me? He's injured again?!?

time to bid adieu to ronaldo

face, the music in the video is by a norwegian band called "Royksopp" and the name of the song is "Remind Me".

Nice to see Cicinho being presented! quite odd number for a defender, tho..

he made his first training session today! :rockman:

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/1bc5dd5288xcicinhoentrenop.jpg

and Ronaldo injured again? i dont care. i rather see Soldado right now.

possible interest in arango, the venezuelan forward from mallorca

http://www.as.com/articulo.html?d_date=&xref=20051229dasdasftb_19&type=Tes&anchor=dasftbA00

apparently floro is a fan and there could be a transfer (Y)

i'd rather have Arango then Cassano. :)

AS also has some info on tomorrow's friendly Madrid derby now.

Helguera, Sergio Ramos, Salgado, Ronaldo and Cicinho (registered at Jan 2nd) will all miss the match.

the rest of the team seems fit to play.

i hope Caro gives the Canterano's a chance tomorrow ! :)

Ronaldo injured again !!! He injured himself too much this season :nape:

Ronaldo injured again !!! He injured himself too much this season :nape:
and then ppl say that we ask for too many forwards...

and then ppl say that we ask for too many forwards...

Arango will be a better choice then Cassano if this continue we really need another striker.

Arango will be a better choice then Cassano if this continue we really need another striker.

danm right bro:rockman:

Lopez Caro trained with this formation today. it's the probable starting lineup for tonight.

Diego López; Diogo, Pavón, Mejía, Roberto Carlos; Gravesen, Guti; Beckham, Baptista, Robinho; Soldado.

------------D.López------------
--Diogo--Pavón--Mejía--Carlos--
-----------Gravesen------------
--Beckham------------Guti-----
------------Baptista------------
-------Soldado--Robinho--------

maybe? :p

the full squad called up for Atletico-Real


Casillas, Diego López and Casilla.
Roberto Carlos, Raúl Bravo, Pavón, Mejía, Arbeloa and Diogo.
Beckham, Gravesen, De la Red, Sergio Ramos, Javi García, Jurado, Baptista, Guti, Balboa and Pablo García.
Soldado and Robinho


and last, but definitely not least.....

LOOK WHO'S BACK AT VALDEBEBAS !!!!! :lui: :lui: :lui:

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/1cba015raul2p.jpg

face, the music in the video is by a norwegian band called "Royksopp" and the name of the song is "Remind Me".Thnk u very much dat ;) Being a scandinavian group u must know them very well, don't you?

Great news about Raul, let's hope he avoid surgery... ¡Vamos capitán!

Great to see Raul back again!!! Cicinho is great man!! I cant wait to see him play...pretty weird number btw :P

Lopez Caro trained with this formation today. it's the probable starting lineup for tonight.

Diego López; Diogo, Pavón, Mejía, Roberto Carlos; Gravesen, Guti; Beckham, Baptista, Robinho; Soldado.

------------D.López------------
--Diogo--Pavón--Mejía--Carlos--
-----------Gravesen------------
--Beckham------------Guti-----
------------Baptista------------
-------Soldado--Robinho--------

maybe? :p

the full squad called up for Atletico-Real


Casillas, Diego López and Casilla.
Roberto Carlos, Raúl Bravo, Pavón, Mejía, Arbeloa and Diogo.
Beckham, Gravesen, De la Red, Sergio Ramos, Javi García, Jurado, Baptista, Guti, Balboa and Pablo García.
Soldado and Robinho



What Game are you talking abourt ?

thought the 1st game after the "winterbreak" would be Copa del Rey (4th) and then on the 8th January vs Villareal away.

and why aren't Ramos, Salgado included ?

Helguera, Ronaldo are injuried as is Raul and Woodgate is not yet fit (thought he's ready when the 2nd half of the season starts)

nice to see Gravesen get a game (Whatever game that is), aswell as Soldado.

What Game are you talking about ?It's only a friendly match we have today vs Atletico de Madrid, as a memorial for the deceased Jesus Gil, former Atletico president. That's the reason many players aren't called up, seemingly Caro will give many minutes to canteranos and no habitual players.

ah it's he was that "Crazy" President of A. Madrid who bought a Military Ship and so
Wasn't he in jail or so ?
Didn't know he died.

ah I see. thanks for the info faceNside

good to see raul back out there training

fenerbahce want roberto carlos

http://marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/1a_division/real_madrid/es/desarrollo/604578.html

ah it's he was that "Crazy" President of A. Madrid Hehe yes he was crazy, he was the man

http://static.epl.ee/g/pics/2005/03/13/picOF7GVp.jpg:Bow: One of the greatest entertainers of La Liga ever.

Ronaldo out 10 to 14 days :nape:

http://www.realmadrid.com/articulo/ronaldo_dias_baja_28372.htm

Raul :|:|:|

How the **** that ligament healed so quickly. The way he snapped it , jeez . . .

and last, but definitely not least.....

LOOK WHO'S BACK AT VALDEBEBAS !!!!! :lui: :lui: :lui:

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/1cba015raul2p.jpg

That is great news look like Raul progress are going really great good for el capitan.

good to see raul back out there training

fenerbahce want roberto carlos

http://marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/1a_division/real_madrid/es/desarrollo/604578.html
no way... carlos as to stay in real..

any news on the game ? any goals by RM ?

Well Real Madrid won the friendly match versus Atl.Madrid by 1-0 by a goal that Soldado score.

http://www.realmadrid.com/articulo/0-1_madrid_soldado_28380.htm

the game is not over yet... Real is leading 1-0 at halftime

1:1 Ibagaza now. i think its near over.

1-1 FT but Real won in the penalty shootout

who took the pens for RM and who scored/missed ?

We won the game in the penalties (6-5). Very good first half, great match by Gravesen, Balboa, Soldado and Jurado. Sh*tty match by Baptista as usual.

Our starting XI was:

---------Diego Lopez--------
--Diogo--Mejia--Pavon--RC--
-------Guti--Gravesen------
-Balboa----Baptista----Robinho-
-----------Soldado-----------

Our PK were scored by: Baptista, Beckham, Ramos, De La Red, Jurado, Raul Bravo (:p). No one missed.

FT 1-1 (7-6 to Real Madrid after penalties) :rockman:

29' Soldado (great buildup by Balboa to setup the goal)

http://s65.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1T5TLKUDDLF6K1SW4DP1LRGRKG

75' Ibagaza

http://s50.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0XO7GOXJFOKEY1KUATWFT7LKSG

Baptista, Beckham, De La Red, Sergio Ramos, Jurado and Raúl Bravo took our penalties.

after 6 penalties each, Atleticó player García Calvo blows his penalty and Raúl Bravo steps up to take our 7th penalty. he converts it and we are the winners !!! :rockman:

odd too see Raúl Bravo actually WIN something for Real Madrid. heh :lui:

hehe Bravo scores the winner... how ironic

Can please somebody upload the pens aswell or at least Becks one ?

haven't seen him score one since a while...*caugh*

thanks for the infos and highlights so far guys

Just seen the goals, nice one by Soldado - if the coach uses him now instead of whatever brazilian upfront RM actually has a striker that can head - and put in the goals, thanks to the crosses by Becks & Balboa.


Shocking one to concede once again 3vs3 and RM gets overruned

Can Balboa only play RM ?

Soldado also had a goal disallowed, which would have mean't 0-2. you could see on the replay that he wasnt offside at all. :nape:

but who cares. We won. :)

FICHA TÉCNICA:
ATLÉTICO DE MADRID: Falcón; Velasco (Valera, m.53), Pablo (García Calvo, m.46), Perea, Molinero; Colsa (Braulio, m.78), Zahínos, Gabi (Mario Suárez, m.62); Ibagaza (Manu del Moral, m.78); Fernando Torres y Petrov.
REAL MADRID:Diego López (Iker Casillas, m.46); Diogo (Sergio Ramos, m.74), Pavón (Arbeloa, m.46), Mejía, Roberto Carlos (Raúl Bravo, m.46); Guti (Pablo García, m.46), Gravesen (De la Red, m.46); Balboa (Beckham, m.46), Robinho (Jurado, m.62), Baptista; y Soldado (Javi García, m.70).
GOLES 0-1 (29'): Soldado resuelve de cabeza una magnífico centro de Balboa.
1-1 (75'): Ibagaza tras un contraataque rojiblanco.
ÁRBITRO: Esquina Torres, del Colegio Madrileño. Tarjetas amarillas a Perea y Mejia.
INCIDENCIAS: Buena entrada en una noche con mucho frío. Terreno en buenas condiciones. Además de recordar al que fuera presidente del Atlético de Madird, el partido sirvió para decir un no rotundo contra el racismo y de apoyo a las personas afectadas de fibrosis quística. Antes, se disputó un partido entre famosos que hizo las delicias de los aficionados.

Caro used all his players :rockman:

I just read that Cassano is a done deal. 5.5 million euros, 5.5 years.

The 1st trophy of the season! LOL

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/1dae255288xcasillastrofeop.jpg

HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone!!

and here come's the best news of 2005!

Raúl won't need surgery! that means that if all goes well, he will be able to play again in the middle of February. and his comeback is planned to be against Arsenal at Bernabeu on February 21! :lui: :rockman:

http://www.as.com/articulo.html?d_date=20051231&xref=20051231dasdaiftb_1&type=Tes&anchor=dasftb

Raúl won't need surgery! that means that if all goes well, he will be able to play again in the middle of February. and his comeback is planned to be against Arsenal at Bernabeu on February 21! :lui: :rockman:That would be hell of a christmas present :rockman: But I think they're way too optimistic. Don't discard having him fit for March tho.

BTW happy new year to you all too!! I have a curiosity... How do u celebrate the moment when the 12 bell rings sound? Here in Spain we take 12 grapes, 1 with each ringing. :p

That would be hell of a christmas present :rockman: But I think they're way too optimistic. Don't discard having him fit for March tho.

BTW happy new year to you all too!! I have a curiosity... How do u celebrate the moment when the 12 bell rings sound? Here in Spain we take 12 grapes, 1 with each ringing. :p

Well here in Holland we wait for the first ring and then BANG BOOM BANG ;)

EDIT: Oops, forgot to wish you all a HAPPY NEW YEAAAAR!!!!!! :rockman: :rockman:
Let 2006 be Real Madrid YeaR!!!

Happy New Year to everyone here as well. Raul coming back in February :O That would be amazing but March will do as well, as long as he plays a little this season and plays in the WC.

Thanks for the goals datboy Soldado's goal was very nice and a nice cross of Balboa too. :rockman:

really good news about raul!

happy new year everyone! :ewan:

HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone!!

and here come's the best news of 2005!

Raúl won't need surgery! that means that if all goes well, he will be able to play again in the middle of February. and his comeback is planned to be against Arsenal at Bernabeu on February 21! :lui: :rockman:

http://www.as.com/articulo.html?d_date=20051231&xref=20051231dasdaiftb_1&type=Tes&anchor=dasftb

That great news :rockman:

In Trinidad we just light off a ****load of fireworks...illegal or not lol

where is raikonnen

could some1 translate this please:

El dorsal.
Florentino lo quiere incorporar ya, aunque si no se pudiera cerrar la operación en el mercado de invierno, el futbolista vendría en mayo. En estos momentos Cassano sufre una lesión muscular por lo que no se entrena con el grupo. En el Madrid renunciaría al dorsal número 18, ocupado por Woodgate y en Italia se especula que luciría el 25. Hoy se puede cerrar el acuerdo.

It says that Cassano will wear number 25 on his shirt and in case Real can't close the deal now they will in May.

Cheers m8 (Y)

The squad for Athletic-Real tomorrow (Copa Del Rey)

Diego López and Casillas.
Salgado, Diogo, Ramos, Mejía, Raúl Bravo, Cicinho and Woodgate.
Gravesen, Javi García, Baptista, Zidane, Guti, Beckham and Balboa.
Robinho and Soldado.

Woody back in the squad !! :lui:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cassano deal should be closed today, according to Spanish and Italian reports.
we pay 5M euro and he gets a 5 year contract. he will probably wear number #25, since #18 is Woody's. :)


im also worried about Raikko.. where are you? :(

Woody :hump: Hopefully he'll stay injury free and get his form. He's been rock solid and appart from his nightmare debut he's been fantastic at the back and even scoring (vs Rosenborg)

F*ck I don't want Cassano... If we sign him I will be totally dissapointed in Floro, what a squad design.

It's like "You want a support forward? Come and see! We have 4! Raul (our captain, i wouldn't like to see him benched), Baptista (signed this very year by 25 m €), Robinho (the same case) and Cassano(surely he won't stand be benched)! All for 1 or as much 2 spots!"













:S

F*ck I don't want Cassano... If we sign him I will be totally dissapointed in Floro, what a squad design.

It's like "You want a support forward? Come and see! We have 4! Raul, Baptista (signed this very year by 25 m €) , Robinho and Cassano! All for 1 or as much 2 spots!"












:S

What if Cassano plays on the left instead? I really dont know about this on the one hand i dont want it to happen but 5M Euros for a player like Cassano Baptista please dont even mention him...i wonder if Arsenal still want him Reyes x Baptista switch :lui: :( that would be awsome.

BTW i will be able to see the game tommarow :bob: Hopefully its a nice match.

Well it seem the Cassano is going in advance i really dont like him as a player but only time will say it he will be a great deal.

even if Cassano comes, that won't help RM - they need some CHARACTER Players that put hard work, team work and the team above their own interests. they don't need to be world class but ala Solari IMO

we need better midfield players, imo

they are either old/inconsistent (zidane) or played out of position (baptista!)

another striker isnt the worst thing in the world, considering raul is injured for who knows how long, ronaldo is too busy being lazy or injured and robinho/baptista havent done anything as strikers so far. I'd rather recall portillo, give more minutes to soldado or bring in arango from osasuna

Any news on Juanfran?

even if Cassano comes, that won't help RM - they need some CHARACTER Players that put hard work, team work and the team above their own interests. they don't need to be world class but ala Solari IMO

Totally agree with you.

lol, Perez is not serious about buying Cassano, is he? :funny: :funny: :funny:
















Is he trying to set a record for having the most top strikers in the world in one team and win ****?

lol, Perez is not serious about buying Cassano, is he? :funny: :funny: :funny:
















Is he trying to set a record for having the most top strikers in the world in one team and win ****?

I thought he was more of a attacking midfilder type player and someone also said he played on the left for Italy NT so...but still i agree with others about not wanting him, his attitude and all could be too much.

I thought he was more of a attacking midfilder type player and someone also said he played on the left for Italy NT so...but still i agree with others about not wanting him, his attitude and all could be too much.
If you know how to handle the kid`s antiques, you`ll be very grateful. Cassano = next Italian legend in the making.

He was a poor kid from Bari`s slump. He made it big just barely 17, the kid is awesome. Like other brilliants, they got some attitude.

is it possible that older players (zidane, ronaldo ect) can teach him to control his attitude??


PS> Happy new years!

Cassano deal to be sorted by this afternoon like, 6 million Euros plus incentives. Slight problem with image rights...

considering raul is injured for who knows how long, ronaldo is too busy being lazy or injured and robinho/baptista havent done anything as strikers so far.Well if u want to replace temporary a injured player u sign another for half a season or 1 and a half as much. You don't give a superstar a 5 years contract. It seems Floren wants to give Raul an early retirement :(
On the other hand, buying Cassano to replace Robinho or Baptista would be like throwing down 50 m euros to the WC. How can Floren be willing to replace these guys who have been that expensive and haven´t had time to adapt?
And buying him for replacing Ronaldo would be OK... If Cassano was a pure striker :nape: and if we hadn't got a super class 9 like Soldado. Another canterano that receives a door slash in his face.

FaceNside i am agree with you, but remember too that Cassano, Raul, Robinho and Baptista are not pure strikers, they are used to play as 2nd forward/3rd forward:



So basically we have 4 players for 2 positions, or even 5 players for 3 spots if you count Ronaldo.

I believe Baptista is gonna be leaving the next season.

yea i think baptista is gone, he's been awful, trade him to arsenal for cole :bob:

edit: looks like cassano is just a matter of time

http://www.as.com/recorte.php?xref=20060103dasdaiftb_21&id=SCO&type=Ies

also, cicinho will not play in the copa del rey

Cassano is planned to arrive in Madrid at 16:30 CET. (according to Italian reports)

MARCA says he will have his medical and be presented on same day (tomorrow).

and like megamontana said.. Cicinho will not play against Athletic tonight cause of unfinished paperwork :nape:

so both him and Cassano will debut against Villareal this weekend! :)

according to RM.com, this is the starting lineup for tonight's match:

4-2-3-1

---------------Casillas--------------
--Salgado--Ramos--Mejía--R. Bravo--
--------Beckham----Gravesen-------
---Robinho----Baptista-----Guti-----
--------------Soldado--------------

Ramos back in defence.
Robinho on the right, eh? I LIKE. :)

subs: Diego López, Diogo, Woodgate, Balboa, Javi García and Zidane

:junior:

I hope after you guys get Cassano you guys can sell Baptista, he has been horrible from what I hear. Waste of money just sell him to Arsenal they were interested in him before

I hope after you guys get Cassano you guys can sell Baptista, he has been horrible from what I hear. Waste of money just sell him to Arsenal they were interested in him before

I believe Wenger still wanna have Baptista, as well he did getting Henry and vieira after failing in Juve and Milan. But its for sure Baptista now will be underpriced :(

If La Bestia doesn't improve we should ask for a trade for Reyes(Can play LM) or Cole

I am changing my mind on Cassano, he is very talented and we can make room for him.
Lately our transfers have had huge expectations from us and have underperformed. Maybe now that we won't expect as much Il Cassanova will suprise us. :)

5 million is very cheap for a player of his class.

If La Bestia doesn't improve we should ask for a trade for Reyes(Can play LM) or Cole

I am changing my mind on Cassano, he is very talented and we can make room for him.
Lately our transfers have had huge expectations from us and have underperformed. Maybe now that we won't expect as much Il Cassanova will suprise us. :)

5 million is very cheap for a player of his class.

Agree,

Anyone can tell us what happened with Cassano? What problems/incidents they had in Roma?

I dont like the signing, but only 5€ m... its a bargain. It will be funny anyway!

I dont like the signing, but only 5€ m... its a bargain. It will be funny anyway!Man, he's closing the doors to the likes of Soldado, Jurado, Raul... WTF! We're losing our identity. And Floro=decorating vase. He dismissed the sign of De Rossi (the kind of player we needed) and then he agree to sign another 2nd striker :nape: I can't be more angry.

Man, he's closing the doors to the likes of Soldado, Jurado, Raul... WTF! We're losing our identity. And Floro=decorating vase. He dismissed the sign of De Rossi (the kind of player we needed) and then he agree to sign another 2nd striker :nape: I can't be more angry.


Soldado is 20 years old, he will have his chances anyway.

Raul > Cassano

I wanna think we are bringing Cassano cause Capello requested it :fool:

Cassano definitely will not play over Raul.

I see what you mean, but I think that our offensive half needs something after seeing the first half of season. We can't say that we will wait and let our players adapt because we are running out of time and changes need to be made.

WTF is wrong with these rotten signing? I thought after 3 years of being basically no body in both europe and Spain Perez would learn the lesson and sign some decent above the average hungry defenders. Now he goes and sign Cichino and Cassano.

Man, he's closing the doors to the likes of Soldado, Jurado, Raul... WTF! We're losing our identity. And Floro=decorating vase. He dismissed the sign of De Rossi (the kind of player we needed) and then he agree to sign another 2nd striker :nape: I can't be more angry.

Cassano will never play over Raul :) IMO im kind of agree with Crus and Rusi i mean 5€ m and he can play the left, imo that is where they will put him. You said it yourself we need players on the left and right that can dribble and score for themselves and Cassano can do that. Its not like a lot of players can play the left for us right now as it is.

BTW Crus i think i read some where of Cassano punching players or a ref and not going to training and all but that was in the past lately he hasnt done anything so we will see how it goes.

BTW for todays match i want Ramos and Woodgate to be our starting CBs and why is Beckham in a DM spot :nape: this has bad news all over it

WTF is wrong with these rotten signing? I thought after 3 years of being basically no body in both europe and Spain Perez would learn the lesson and sign some decent above the average hungry defenders. Now he goes and sign Cichino and Cassano.

Who do you want us to sign, John Terry and Nesta:| I dont agree with Cicinho but that was already agreed from before it seems. Our midfiled hasnt been so impressive this year if you have seen us play this year.

ok, i v read all the posts about Cassano and i agree about everything except the fact that no one gives him a chance...this guy didnt play well cus of the situation at Roma with that Coach. In the times where Capello was in Roma, Cassano showed pure MAGIC! So please give him a chance and we ll see...

am I the only one who thinks Soldado just cant cut it??
The kid is too young IMO. I like his heart but he's not cutting it for me....maybe just me...

Reyes would be a GREAT addition to Madrid BTW...

Reyes? WTF? THis is crahahhazy. Man why not take Ashley Cole from Arsenal? You went out there and signed Cassano when from Roma there were players like Chivu and Mexess wich you desperately need.

My point is you don't need atackers but DEFENDERS.

Reyes? WTF? THis is crahahhazy. Man why not take Ashley Cole from Arsenal? You went out there and signed Cassano when from Roma there were players like Chivu and Mexess wich you desperately need.

My point is you don't need atackers but DEFENDERS.

Ok look at this for defenders

CB - Ramos, Woodgate ( he has been injured but we have other CBs in the Castilla that can play for us if needed ) , Pavon, Helguera ( only Helguera has been imo poor this year )
LB - Carlos and no real backup ( i dont consider Bravo a backup ) thats why he keeps playing - Cole would do well
RB - Salgado, Cicinho, Diogo that 3 players for 1 spot...great Cicinho wasnt needed but oh well.

Now we dont have any left mids for our 4-2-3-1 that is where Reyes would play, get it? Sign Chivu and Mexes and have 6 CB's fighting for 2 spots. Instead of buying Chivu or Mexes we should give other players in our team more chances such as Mejia. I would love it if somehow the Reyes x Baptista switch was actually possible.

Reyes? WTF? THis is crahahhazy. Man why not take Ashley Cole from Arsenal? You went out there and signed Cassano when from Roma there were players like Chivu and Mexess wich you desperately need.

My point is you don't need atackers but DEFENDERS.

Are you a moron?

I think we'll try to make Ciinho a LB. If not, we'll go for Ashley Cole.

Reyes? WTF? THis is crahahhazy. Man why not take Ashley Cole from Arsenal? You went out there and signed Cassano when from Roma there were players like Chivu and Mexess wich you desperately need.

My point is you don't need atackers but DEFENDERS.

Defending players?

Salgado
Diogo
Cicinho
Ramos
Woodgate
Roberto Carlos
Raul Bravo
Pavon
Helguera
De La Red
Gravesen
Pablo Garcia

Most of them are used to play with their NT, so they are not bad at all...

We need midfielders like Ballack in example, players that can keep the ball.
We dont need a Beckham we cannot keep a ball...

Defending players?
Raul Bravo


?? :(

The more i read the names of your defenders, the more i believe you should shop for defenders instead of Strikers.

Yeah you have too many but that's not a bad thing, it's a good one. You can tr to trade some of them.

Up front you guys got : Raul, Ronaldo, Robinho and now Cassano. Don't need to improve that.

I agree with the fact that you need more midfielders that are in their prime not old
pr!cks such as Zidane or Helguera.

We need midfielders like Ballack in example, players that can keep the ball.
We dont need a Beckham we cannot keep a ball...

What the hell? Beckhams been magnificent this season. Sure, it would be great having Ballack. Beckham's pin-point passing and crossing is something we could do with. Ballack do all of that, but nobody can touch Beckham in that department.

Not even Ballack. ;)

My point is you don't need atackers but DEFENDERS.

Thanks for stating the obvious, genius.


not old
pr!cks such as Zidane

? :|

Cassano will be like Samuel and return to Italy, but this time to the red half of Milan (H)


Nah joking. We're gonna get Torres :D


Cassano's a good signing but Real should have really gone for a target man kind of striker. Toni would have been perfect. Cassano now has to compete with Robinho and Raul to play behind Ronaldo.

About him playing LM, if I remember correctly, the LM position he was playing is similiar to Rooney's LM position at Man Utd when they play a 4-5-1. On paper its left midfield but actually he's playing behind the frontman, very advanced, on the left side.

Good luck though, wonderful player (Y)

What the hell? Beckhams been magnificent this season. Sure, it would be great having Ballack. Beckham's pin-point passing and crossing is something we could do with. Ballack do all of that, but nobody can touch Beckham in that department.

Not even Ballack. ;)



That true Beckham is one players that always give his all in almost every match and remember that he played with a really bad backpain.

In my opinion Beckham is horrible as football player in a team like Real Madrid, this is not england, this is not i get a ball and i try a long pass in every action.

I know Beckham is good giving assist. and long passes. But actually in madrid we are lacking some football creation. Beckham is the opposite of Pirlo, Deco, Xavi, Xabi Alonso,... he cannot keep the ball in his feet more than 3 seconds cause he doesnt have the skill for that and in Real Madrid that is very big problem.

I recommend you to watch the R.Madrid matches without Beckham, we had more possesion and we played better. In fact last match we won (Malaga 0-2) Beckham didnt played :P

Possibility 4-5-1/4-3-3

------------------ Casillas ------------------------
Right-Back --- Ramos - Woodgate --- R. Carlos -----
-------------- Garcia/Gravesen --------------------
---------- Beckham ----- Guti/Baptista ----------
--- Robinho/Balboa -------- Zidane/Cassano -------
------------- Ronaldo/Soldado -------------

By the way :

http://www.as.com/portada/imgs/portadas/cassanoya.jpg

http://www.as.com/articulo.html?d_date=20060103&xref=20060103dasdasftb_10&type=Tes&anchor=dasftbA00
http://marca.es/edicion/marca/futbol/1a_division/real_madrid/es/desarrollo/605028.html

He will sign till 2010.
About 5.5 million euros.

Beckham is the only on who plays his ass out everygame, the others don't even mind loosing.

In my opinion Beckham is horrible as football player in a team like Real Madrid, this is not england, this is not i get a ball and i try a long pass in every action.

I know Beckham is good giving assist. and long passes. But actually in madrid we are lacking some football creation. Beckham is the opposite of Pirlo, Deco, Xavi, Xabi Alonso,... he cannot keep the ball in his feet more than 3 seconds cause he doesnt have the skill for that and in Real Madrid that is very big problem.

I recommend you to watch the R.Madrid matches without Beckham, we had more possesion and we played better. In fact last match we won (Malaga 0-2) Beckham didnt played :P

Errm what?? I agree Beckham is not the ideal player for a 4-2-3-1 but in a diamond he would own. IMO he is a great player but he might not fit into Caro's tactic, only more time will tell. Remember his start to the season, it was amazing.

We also had more possesion vs Racing where Beckham was playing, a lot more infact and still lost, it was just bad luck man.

is the Copa Del Rey game today?!?!?

CASSANO ! :bob:
come on face, give him a chance. :jap:

In my opinion Beckham is horrible as football player in a team like Real Madrid, this is not england, this is not i get a ball and i try a long pass in every action.

I know Beckham is good giving assist. and long passes. But actually in madrid we are lacking some football creation. Beckham is the opposite of Pirlo, Deco, Xavi, Xabi Alonso,... he cannot keep the ball in his feet more than 3 seconds cause he doesnt have the skill for that and in Real Madrid that is very big problem.

I recommend you to watch the R.Madrid matches without Beckham, we had more possesion and we played better. In fact last match we won (Malaga 0-2) Beckham didnt played :P

Your right about Beckhams ability to hold the ball, he just can't do it. But if we ever did get somebody like Pirlo (will never ever happen, but somebody like him), Beckham would be a great option if we ever needed to change the style of play, which is always a great thing to do. Just look at Chelsea. :p

But I really do feel that atleast 2 CB's come in, because right now, we have no depth in defence. I'm still not entirely convinced about Ramos, he'll definately be a star in the future, but right now, I'd rather someone that's big and tall. Kinda like Stam. :p

is the Copa Del Rey game today?!?!?

Yes, Gol TV is showing it too :bob: Its at 3 PM Centeral time.

I feel that Cassano will pay of in a Madrid jersey. He may have a bad temper but one thing that must be remembered is that under that temper is a young quality striker who has to prove himself not only to the fans but also to Italys coach for a spot at the WC so he will be on a mission.

SWEET!! I'll record it for whan I get home!

in case anyone still doubted it..

OFFICIAL

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/2df5a6cassanotrofeosp.jpg

http://www.realmadrid.com/articulo/real_madrid_roma_antonio_cassano_28419.htm

CASSANO ! :bob:
come on face, give him a chance. :jap:Haha (H) In fact he's a great player but I just think ATM he wasn't needed. As Crus said, we need more players that can keep the ball in the midfield; we only have Guti and Zidane ATM, and the problem with Zizou is that he can't play alongside the DM cause he never defend, or neither bother the attackers like Guti do.

What is clear is that if there's gonna be a damnificated player he's Baptista. You're right, if we keep a spanish coach he won't never sacrifice Raul.

--------DM--Guti--------
-Robinho--Raul--Cassano-
---------Ronaldo---------

^^ Won't be bad, but with Becks we'll always lose the Right Attacking Midfielder spot. So we would have to bench either Robinho, Raul or Cassano.

if Beckham HAVE to be on the field then i think it's best to play him in the center midfield.
the right wing should be occupied by either Robinho or Balboa. 2 players who actually can dribble.

like this, maybe?

----Beckham--Garcia-----
-Robinho--Raul--Cassano-
---------Ronaldo---------

if our forwards would head home every Beckham cross from the right wing, then we would be the best team in the world. but that's impossible and since he refuses to dribble (or can't) then it's best to put him in the middle.

attacking down the wings is the formula for Madrid. and with Robinho or Balboa on the RW spot instead of Becks, we can bring that back.

Match is about to start. Confirmed lineup:

--------------Diego Lopez------------
-Salgado---Mejia--Ramos-----Bravo--
-----------Gravesen--Guti-----------
---Becks-------Baptista------Robinho--
--------------Soldado-----------------

(N) No Woodgate, Baptista playing, Becks position

if Beckham HAVE to be on the field then i think it's best to play him in the center midfield.
the right wing should be occupied by either Robinho or Balboa. 2 players who actually can dribble.

like this, maybe?

----Beckham--Garcia-----
-Robinho--Raul--Cassano-
---------Ronaldo---------

if our forwards would head home every Beckham cross from the right wing, then we would be the best team in the world. but that's impossible and since he refuses to dribble (or can't) then it's best to put him in the middle.

attacking down the wings is the formula for Madrid. and with Robinho or Balboa on the RW spot instead of Becks, we can bring that back.

Sorry datboy but the above posted if one of the most - "non intelligent things" I've read in a while. take your glasses of...

:jambo: if they strikers actually would be capable of heading - RM' would almost score freely. - it's not down to Becks crossing... it's the strikers who can't head (No Owen, No Morientes)

ffs Becks never dribbled, he's crosses are so good he doesn't have to go out till almost the behindline, he just hit's them from whereever he is and they arrive perfect for the striker - just remember Yorke, Cole, Sheringham, Solskjaer, Nistelrooy who all scored freely a lot, not only but aswell thanks to his crosses.

There was one particular CL game I remember this Season where he hit around 28-30 crosses in the box, Soldado scored from one in the end but otherwise no striker could head them.

When I was in Madrid RM scored thanks to 2 Becks freekicks he sent in (Helguera and Woodgate both scored from them) and they are almost the only ones that can head in the whole team...

I'm not saying Becks has his place no matter what, Balboa looked very good and liveley.

Becks as CM only works if you give him a free role - meaning NO defensive work ala Lampard where Makelele and Essien clear his back. I even remember a Cruyff interview when he talked about Becks playing such a role. I'd like to see that for a few games. (see below)

-----Gravesen-Garcia-----
Balboa----Beckham----X1--
-------------X2------------
X1 - somebody who can play LM/AM/ST
X2 - a striker who can head


Still appart from him & Casillas are playing there @ss off for the team ?

Since Cassano now officialy is at the club, I know his character is childish, I don't really like him, still he is skilled, but could maybe he eventually head a ball ?

Match is about to start. Confirmed lineup:

--------------Diego Lopez------------
-Salgado---Mejia--Ramos-----Bravo--
-----------Gravesen--Guti-----------
---Becks-------Baptista------Robinho--
--------------Soldado-----------------

(N) No Woodgate, Baptista playing, Becks position

at least Soldado is playing

0-0 HT. Very good game by Madrid so far. The bad aspects, the known ones: Beckham playing on the right= no depth in the right side, Baptista awful as ever.

On the other hand Robinho is improving a lot, he looks faster and defends everytime he loses or don't have the ball. I don't like Mejia, he should have been loaned or sold already.
:jambo: if they strikers actually would be capable of heading - RM' would almost score freely. - it's not down to Becks crossing... it's the strikers who can't head (No Owen, No Morientes)He has not said the reason of our strikers not heading all was Becks. Just pointed that fact. And since we didn't have that kind of heading strikers, we need Right Midfielders to actually dribble and enter the area, so they can shoot, or give back passes to the forwards, or whatever.

Seven8, if you wanna call me non intelligent. then that's up to you. (C)
but i think you missed my point. which facenside pointed out for you.

btw face, thanks for the halftime update. i can't see the match :(

datboy - didn't want to offense you - it just sounded all like the typical "Becks is shyte because he can't dribble" i"t's all Becks fault anyway" type of message.

But why have one of the best crossers in the team and then not use that skill ?


yeah thanks for the updates of the game, the chanel which usually shows la liga / copa del rey doesn't show this game tonight.

datboy - didn't want to offense you - it just sounded all like the typical "Becks is shyte because he can't dribble" i"t's all Becks fault anyway" type of message.

I think that beckham is an amazing player for the EPL...
however, in la liga... we need players that can dribble and shoot and score ...
other teams do have this kinda players...
Joaquin, Vicente on the right side...
Messi and Guily for example....

I have never seen becks take more than 3 shots in a game.. :$

true that he's better suited for the EPL than La Liga.

Still when he played CM I was hopeful for him to do just that, but then he always had to stay behing and to the DM/Securing spot.

gol de beckham!!!! :bob:

Becks just scored!!!!!!!!!! and it wasnt a deadball situation!!

:lui:

*YES* Can't write that big enough *YES* - please post Pics/Vids if you have them

Agree,

Anyone can tell us what happened with Cassano? What problems/incidents they had in Roma?

I dont like the signing, but only 5€ m... its a bargain. It will be funny anyway!
cassano basically disagreed with every coach he had and lately was not getting along with totti. He's been asked to leave the team before because of a bad attitude, which is why his price was so low.

Great talent, bad attitude, but maybe a new country/league will bring out the best in him. Also, he's played for like 6 coaches in the past 2 years, so he's a natural to play for madrid :fool:

becks???? (6)
Yes!!!..... just wat i was talkin bout, and finally stood up and scored :fool:
hope we score more

The more i read the names of your defenders, the more i believe you should shop for defenders instead of Strikers.

Yeah you have too many but that's not a bad thing, it's a good one. You can tr to trade some of them.

Up front you guys got : Raul, Ronaldo, Robinho and now Cassano. Don't need to improve that.

I agree with the fact that you need more midfielders that are in their prime not old
pr!cks such as Zidane or Helguera.
helguera a midfielder? :| get your facts straight man

raul could be out for the year, ronaldo has been injured off and on a bunch this year and robinho is unproven...dont need to improve on that? Another good attacker is always a good idea

:junior:

http://www.as.com/futbol/imagenes/capturas/2006/enero/3/7.jpg

http://www.as.com/futbol/imagenes/capturas/2006/enero/3/8.jpg

Robinho has been very good today, good assist he got aswell today it was a nice pass to Becks. Baptista is utter ****, i will post more later at the end of the game.

face and others:

i am not a huge fan of cassano, but give the guy a chance, he's definitely skilled and he's come here to win. I love madrid too much to see him fail

Also, i really hope we can close out this game!

:junior:

http://www.as.com/futbol/imagenes/capturas/2006/enero/3/7.jpg

http://www.as.com/futbol/imagenes/capturas/2006/enero/3/8.jpg

yo did u made those ss where are u watching the game if its a program can u tell which???

FT 0-1

nice way to start of 2006 :junior:

now i want a full match report :)

yo did u made those ss where are u watching the game if its a program can u tell which???

Those pictures are from as.com

0-1 FT Good match (Y)

Diego Lopez - he was very nice today, made 2 great saves. He is a great keeper and i am very happy with having him, if Iker ever gets injured i would be happy having him play.

Salgado - didnt attack much but did defend, he was solid

Ramos - Good match for him as usual, made good tackels.

Mejia - i dont like him much should have started Woodgate who was also good

R. Bravo - was somehow good in defence

Gravesen - pretty bad imo made a couple of bad backpasses and is not the same player of last year:(

Guti - had a good match imo some of his passes opened up the defence very nicely

Beckham - i didnt see much from him in the first half but second half he was much better and got the goal aswell :bob: Worked very hard as usual. Still not sure if he will work on the right side of this tactic though.

Baptista - **** please Caro take note, never play him again missed a 1 on 1 in the second half, he is very slow, bad passes, cant control, etc was just **** as usual :kader: He should have been subbed off instead of Soldado

Robinho - one of his best matches (Y) should have had 2 assist i didnt think he was offside in the goal that was not allowed. Nice dribbles, nice passes, and he was defending too. MOM imo.

Soldado - i thought he didnt do too bad, he scored but it was called offside:( eventhough imo it wasnt offside, he shouldnt have been subbed off either.

The subs - none of them had enough time to make an impact so wont really comment on them.

Beckham's goal :bob:

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/2df5a6288athletic-rmbeckhamp.jpg

http://files.filefront.com/Beckhamwmv/;4560484;;/fileinfo.html

thanks for the goalclip datboy

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/2df5a6288athletic-rmalegriap.jpg
The protagonist of the goal :bob:

Hehe Woody played 15' without getting injured :D Zidane should have started instead of Baptista.

Socrates, it's true, that goal shouldn't have been disallowed. Robinho was in line with the defenders when he received the pass.

This match had some ups and downs.Real Madrid could have lost this one but the goal was the huge factor.Baptista i really dont know about this guy he do not find his game he should have been sub and not Soldado.

thanks for the clip

:( Baptista :( I feel bad for the guy. I don't know what his problem is...

M.O.M. : Robinho

Good job Becks also.

Now time for Villarreal.


BTW -

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/2df5a6cassanoiip.jpg
He is so ugly. :p

is Cassano cuptied?

I thought so, but I heard from someone or read on SG that the Uefa Cup and the CL don't count against each other if you know what I mean.

asked my mate @ UEFA HQ

Players who played UEFA Cup with Team A can play Champions League with Team B (the otherway around aswell)

Aslong as the player hasn't taken part in the current competition already with another team, he's eligable to play.

Baptista - **** please Caro take note, never play him again missed a 1 on 1 in the second half, he is very slow, bad passes, cant control, etc was just **** as usual :kader: He should have been subbed off instead of Soldado

He played crap again? :( I've gotta say, he's been a pretty poor signing. (:/) :$

I think Cassano will step over Baptista very easily.

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/3d37e6cassanopresentacioncamisetap.jpg

#19, makes more sense than 25. I expect great things from him.

19 rings a bell...Dwighty "I always smile" Yorke...

What positions does he play, when is he eligble to do so (same for Cicinho)

and my question of the day, can Cassano head a ball properly ?

just finished watching Cassano's presentation. :)

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/3d37e6cassanopresentacioncamisetap.jpg

http://www.realmadrid.com/articulo/cassano_hala_madrid_28451.htm

helguera a midfielder? :| get your facts straight man


He was right. Helguera was a midfielder. He got the number 6 straight from Redondo, because he was prepared to become the defensive midfielder under del Bosque. For some reasons Helguera was moved into CB role some two years ago . . .

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3930/cassano7jk.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cassano7jk.jpg)

:p

He was right. Helguera was a midfielder. He got the number 6 straight from Redondo, because he was prepared to become the defensive midfielder under del Bosque. For some reasons Helguera was moved into CB role some two years ago . . .

as you said yourself, he WAS a midfielder. i dont think he can do either job good enough tho these days (cb or dm).

And since we didn't have that kind of heading strikers

was baptista ever used up front?

just a question out of curiosity.

He played crap again? :( I've gotta say, he's been a pretty poor signing. (:/) :$

Yes he was very poor. He had 2 golden chances but threw it away. He is so slow, cant dribble, for a big guy like him i thought he would be better at heading but nope, and his passes were also off. There was one noticable pass that he missed it was Becks running on a counterattack and Baptista passed it behind him and the ball went out:| another one was a bad pass to Guti i think and Guti started going insane over it was like it what the **** Baptista, that was just 2 of his bad passes he had more over the whole game:(. Really poor game from him.

was baptista ever used up front?

just a question out of curiosity.

Yes he was used up there before but he wasnt so good there either:( He has been the worst player in our whole team although Helguera could give him a run for that title.

Man i just hope there isnt too much underwear showings by Cassano :p

Man i just hope there isnt too much underwear showings by Cassano :p

:funny: let's hope so for the male sake...

Yes he was used up there before but he wasnt so good there either:(

There is no service for him, that's why he was so poor. He was a goal machine at Sevilla.

There is no service for him, that's why he was so poor. He was a goal machine at Sevilla.

He has changed snice Sevilla he forgot how to play the game. He cant pass, shoot, dribble, or head. He had two golden chances yesterday and blew them, he also played as a forward yesterday for about 25 mins and was still ****. I thought he could head in Becks crosses but he sucks at that too. Its more of his fault than anyone elses. He also played like a second forward type role at Sevilla and did very well but now he is just crap.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3930/cassano7jk.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cassano7jk.jpg)

:p

Can't wait to play Pro Evo now. (H)

Socrates, maybe there is a lot of pressure on Baptista to perform week in, week out. After all, we are a bigger club than Sevilla. He couldn't have become a bad player over night. :)

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/3d37e6cassanopresentacioncamisetap.jpg

#19, makes more sense than 25. I expect great things from him.

Well i hope he does well and he said he want to change his image here with Real Madrid and not have the badboy thing here will see if he does that.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3930/cassano7jk.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cassano7jk.jpg)

:p

I guessed the wrong number. I gave him 17. :$

BTW decent match yesterday, although the ref as usual was very frustrating. I went from watching the Man U x Arsenal game which had great fluidity to the foul fest that was our game. I'm just glad to see Robinho has finally found a position he's good at(winger). Second striker wasn't working out for him. I also hope to see Cassano get some minutes this weekend. If not, he'll surely play against Bilbao next Thursday.

Last, but not least, Happy New Year everbody!

Robino was great yesterday...what the hell can we say about Baptista now?! he had his chances even more then Robinho this season...he played every match and s*cked a$$! O well maybe Arsenal wants a Reyes Baptista switch ;) ?

How is the first post looking guys ... ?

Missing anything ?

http://www.soccergaming.tv/showpost.php?p=1806035&postcount=1

:)

I guessed the wrong number. I gave him 17. :$

BTW decent match yesterday, although the ref as usual was very frustrating. I went from watching the Man U x Arsenal game which had great fluidity to the foul fest that was our game. I'm just glad to see Robinho has finally found a position he's good at(winger). Second striker wasn't working out for him. I also hope to see Cassano get some minutes this weekend. If not, he'll surely play against Bilbao next Thursday.

Last, but not least, Happy New Year everbody!

Cassano has passed the medical without any problems but he himself said he is not fully fit yet because he hasnt trained in 15 days but he said if he started against Villarreal he would have no problem and would be happy to play vs Villarreal. So he might get some minutes.

How is the first post looking guys ... ?

Missing anything ?

http://www.soccergaming.tv/showpost.php?p=1806035&postcount=1

:)

change the manager's name :junior:
Luxa still there (6)

Hey Fellas, i was just tryin to sort out are formation on Pro Evo, and i cant decide who would play / not play

This is what ive got, if everyone was fit:

--------------Casillas-------------

--------Helguera----Woodgate-------
Salgado----------------------R. Carlos-

----------S.Ramos---Guti H.------------

-Beckham-------Raul----------Zidane-----

---------------Ronaldo-------------------

what do you guys reckon?

Hey Fellas, i was just tryin to sort out are formation on Pro Evo, and i cant decide who would play / not play

This is what ive got, if everyone was fit:

--------------Casillas-------------

--------Helguera----Woodgate-------
Salgado----------------------R. Carlos-

----------S.Ramos---Guti H.------------

-Beckham-------Raul----------Zidane-----

---------------Ronaldo-------------------

what do you guys reckon?

How is Cicinho in Pro Evo 5?! If he is good then i would put him for Salgado...the rest seems fine to me! Zidane is supurb! Ronaldo is somehow underrated in Pro Evo 5 (I really hated that :P)
Great team mate!
You could also try 4-4-2 with a diamond! That always worked out for me!
cheers!

btw, i just was watchin one Baptista video and damn he was GREAT at Sevilla...I kinda almost cried when i saw how good he was :P With Real he s*cks :kader:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4972685087013971514&q=baptista
He 'was' class! :P

Cicinho's great on Pro Evo, very quick and great at gettin forward, Cassano is really good too if i had the diamond i would probably go with:

---------------Casillas--------------

--------Helguera----Woodgate-------

Cicinho----------------------R. Carlos-

--------------S.Ramos--------------

----Beckham-------------Zidane-----

----------------Raul----------------

-------Ronaldo-------Cassano---------

Yeah the Diamond looks very good too! With Cassano and Ronaldo upfront! You can put Robinho too in that formation as a sub for Cassano maybe?! or as a starter?! But it all looks very good!!

btw, i just was watchin one Baptista video and damn he was GREAT at Sevilla...I kinda almost cried when i saw how good he was :P With Real he s*cks :kader:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4972685087013971514&q=baptista
He 'was' class! :P
Don't expect much from Cicinho or Cassano as well.


I don't understand how everytime Real has a bad game, you guys complain about having too many attacking players and crap defense, then when you sign yet another attacking player, you are all happy and think that things will change. Nothing will change, Real will still be bad in the back and in DM position, while Cassano will make his career progress much slower now.

I don't understand how everytime Real has a bad game, you guys complain about having too many attacking players and crap defense, then when you sign yet another attacking player, you are all happy and think that things will change. Nothing will change, Real will still be bad in the back and in DM position, while Cassano will make his career progress much slower now.

Im just wondering, do you actually see Madrid games this season or just see the scoreline and than post about it??

I don't understand how everytime Real has a bad game, you guys complain about having too many attacking players and crap defense.Every time we lose Madrid bashers who don't even watch the games says our defence is sh!t. Not us.

BTW my PES5 Madrid lineup is as follows:

--------------Iker------------
-Cicinho--Ramos-Woody--RC--
----------Garcia-Guti---------
----Becks----Raul-----Robinho-
------------Ronaldo-----------

I'm using ProEvolutiOnline Superpatch stats, so Ramos and Robinho are much better than originals. I have improved Garcia myself too :p

btw, i just was watchin one Baptista video and damn he was GREAT at Sevilla...I kinda almost cried when i saw how good he was :P With Real he s*cks :kader:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4972685087013971514&q=baptista
He 'was' class! :P

Man what happen to that Baptista he was real class and now he not even close at the level he played with Sevilla.

Im just wondering, do you actually see Madrid games this season or just see the scoreline and than post about it??

This dumbf*ck says the same thing every 3 weeks or so. I'm pretty sure he doesn't watch the games or else he would have noticed how wrong he is.

What the hell has happened to Baptista? :kader:

GOL TV will have the Madrid vs. Villareal game on Sunday. (Y)

...sooo many possible line-ups. :nape:

Imagine this dream line-up:
-----------casillas---------------
-Diogo----Ramos----Woody---Cicinho
---------Garcia-----Guti------------
Robinho-------------------Cassano
------------Zidane----------------
-------------Ronaldo------------------

It would be sick (6)
but we all noe wat happens :X

Imagine this dream line-up:
-----------casillas---------------
-Diogo----Ramos----Woody---Cicinho
---------Garcia-----Guti------------
Robinho-------------------Cassano
------------Zidane----------------
-------------Ronaldo------------------

It would be sick (6)
but we all noe wat happens :X

Diogo over Salgado?? Has Cicinho ever played the left?? I will wait to see what Cassano has to offer and where he will offer it. i doubt Zidane can handle playing every match as the man behind Ronaldo. Anyways thing i want to see is Ramos always playing as CB with Woodgate by him unless he is injured than Pavon should get the call ahead of Helguera.

so waht do u guys think will happen with baptista? do u think hell leave now that cassano is coming, considering baptista as a striker? i sure hope so, because im sure he would like a move to arsenal and im sure wenger would take him and im also sure hell make him a star... well, what do you think of him now that youv had him for half a season?

I believe Baptista is a good player... but just that a player that can do good things but its not a star player. Maybe he is not worth more than 10€ m :\

Eng4Worldcup i think if Wenger wanna have Baptista he will have it easily. Robinho will stay, aswell Raul, Ronaldo maybe will stay but if he is leaving we need to sign a pure striker, Cassaso must show he is a valid player, but Baptista future looks very dark in Madrid. Do you think could be OK a Reyes x Baptista transfer?

Who knows, we are still in January, maybe in the next months he can score a few goals and he can change our minds.

This dumbf*ck says
heh










And i do watch Madrid games, especially now that they show GolTV here in Canada as well. But not a lot of them, i admit and won't blindly lie like some people do sometimes. So if you all think that you will be winning much more games with Cassano and will be almost at the level of Barca, fine, i really couldn't care less, my own team has enough problems to worry about. Good luck to him at Madrid, although i still don't see how it was needed to buy him, instead of a same level defensive player, not someone like Ramos or Garcia.

I believe Baptista is a good player... but just that a player that can do good things but its not a star player. Maybe he is not worth more than 10€ m :\

Eng4Worldcup i think if Wenger wanna have Baptista he will have it easily. Robinho will stay, aswell Raul, Ronaldo maybe will stay but if he is leaving we need to sign a pure striker, Cassaso must show he is a valid player, but Baptista future looks very dark in Madrid. Do you think could be OK a Reyes x Baptista transfer?

Who knows, we are still in January, maybe in the next months he can score a few goals and he can change our minds.
its possible he can change your minds, just like reyes has in the last week. hes been playing very very well. i dont see him leaving, but maybe if henry is definitley going to leave maybe well swap him with baptista? although in my honest opinion i dont see henry leaving

its possible he can change your minds, just like reyes has in the last week. hes been playing very very well. i dont see him leaving, but maybe if henry is definitley going to leave maybe well swap him with baptista? although in my honest opinion i dont see henry leaving


Tbh i dont see Henry going to Madrid, maybe only if Ronaldo is leaving us, but i think if Henry leaves Arsenal he will join Barça. About Reyes, im sure he would like to play in Madrid and to be back to Spain.

Reyes and Baptista both are young, and i have the feeling they could do better in other team, Baptista in EPL, Reyes in Liga.

Reyes for Baptista would be wishing too much I think, sounds like it could happen though. (6)

And i do watch Madrid games, especially now that they show GolTV here in Canada as well. But not a lot of them, i admit and won't blindly lie like some people do sometimes. So if you all think that you will be winning much more games with Cassano and will be almost at the level of Barca, fine, i really couldn't care less, my own team has enough problems to worry about. Good luck to him at Madrid, although i still don't see how it was needed to buy him, instead of a same level defensive player, not someone like Ramos or Garcia.

Whats wrong with Ramos?? or Garcia for that matter. Ramos has been the best buy this season and one of the better players overall for us. Garcia started out hot as hell just owning everyone in midfiled but now he was just playing like average although i believe he will be back to his best soon. Level of play of Barca?? who said we would be playing at that level?? Right now i want to see Cassano be put over Baptista, hell anyone over Baptista but you were talking about crappy defence. The only defender which has been crappy at times has been Helguera but thats it Ramos, Woodgate, and Pavon have all been good and hopefully Helguera gets good too. Garcia has been good and i quite like Salgado no matter what anyone says, i think he does better defending than Diogo does. Carlos has been lacking but we all know that and a new LB is expected for next year as well as a backup i hope. Raul Bravo cant seriously be considered a backup to Carlos.

Speaking of Baptista x Reyes switch if Arsenal were serious about it i accept right away. I dont think Baptista is what Madrid needs and it was a bad transfer to get him so if he leaves i wont be bothered at all. I also agree that i dont see Henry coming to Madrid.

i still don't see how it was needed to buy him, instead of a same level defensive player


i think the point the guy was trying to make is that for a long time now, your defence has heavily relied on casillas to bail them out of trouble. you don't have a terrible back line, but i think you all can admit that it is extremely heavily dependent on casillas bailing you out of trouble. you've been lucky that he's been injury free for a long time now, but if he were to get injured, or if he had one bad day, you'd be in deep trouble. hence, it would have made sense that the back line have been reinforced rather than buying more firepower up front, to relieve some pressure off the keeper.

i'm not trying to be annoying, just resfectfully giving my perspective.

Good luck to him at Madrid, although i still don't see how it was needed to buy him, instead of a same level defensive player, not someone like Ramos or Garcia.

Thanks for proving my point.


i think the point the guy was trying to make is that for a long time now, your defence has heavily relied on casillas to bail them out of trouble. you don't have a terrible back line, but i think you all can admit that it is extremely heavily dependent on casillas bailing you out of trouble. you've been lucky that he's been injury free for a long time now, but if he were to get injured, or if he had one bad day, you'd be in deep trouble. hence, it would have made sense that the back line have been reinforced rather than buying more firepower up front, to relieve some pressure off the keeper.

i'm not trying to be annoying, just resfectfully giving my perspective.

Our defense has improved so much from the last 2 years. Our biggest problem is missing a midfielder who can hold posession well (i.e. Xavi, Deco)


Cicinho will start on Sunday - http://www.as.com/articulo.html?d_date=&xref=20060105dasdaiftb_10&type=Tes&anchor=dasftbA00

Also, Cassano will be given a week to train and find his form. He hasn't trained in weeks. He will not make the trip to Villarreal. I expect him to debut next Thursday vs. Athletic Bilbao @ El Estadio Santiago Bernabéu. :)

Thanks for proving my point.




Our defense has improved so much from the last 2 years. Our biggest problem is missing a midfielder who can hold posession well (i.e. Xavi, Deco)


Cicinho will start on Sunday - http://www.as.com/articulo.html?d_date=&xref=20060105dasdaiftb_10&type=Tes&anchor=dasftbA00

Also, Cassano will be given a week to train and find his form. He hasn't trained in weeks. He will not make the trip to Villarreal. I expect him to debut next Thursday vs. Athletic Bilbao @ El Estadio Santiago Bernabéu. :)
Cicinho starting on Sunday... :lui: And perfect setup for Cassano to come in and score against the 'REAL' derby. :$

Against Villareal (I think):

--------------------Casillas----------------- (Lopez)
--Salgado---Woodgate---Ramos---R.Carlos-- (Diogo, Helguera, Bravo)
--------------PGarcia-----Guti-------------- (Gravesen)
--------Cicinho---------------Zidane-------- (Balboa)
-----------Robinho---------JBaptista-------- (Soldado)

although i still don't see how it was needed to buy him, instead of a same level defensive player, not someone like Ramos or Garcia.Ramos>any Manchester defender

Garcia>any non-existent Manchester DM :p

I think vs Villareal we will play

------------------Iker-------------
--Salgado---Helguera-Ramos--RC--
-------------Garcia-Guti-----------
----Cinho------Baptista------Robinho-
---------------Soldado---------------

i like that formation, face.
just 1 thing. start Zidane instead of Baptista. :)

-----------------Casillas-------------
--Salgado---Helguera-Ramos--RC---
-------------Garcia-Guti-------------
----Cicinho-----Zidane------Robinho--
---------------Soldado---------------

gonna be damn interesting to see Cicinho as RW :lui:

just read on MARCA that López Caro wants to try out a new system of play. (4-1-4-1)
with Zidane and Guti in a mediapunta role.

something like this i guess

-----------------Casillas-------------
--Salgado---Helguera--Ramos--RC---
-----------------Garcia--------------
----Cicinho---Zidane--Guti---Robinho--
----------------Soldado---------------


i think it looks very offensive. but it could work. what you think?

-----------------Casillas-------------
--Salgado---Helguera--Ramos--RC---
-----------------Garcia--------------
----Cicinho---Zidane--Guti---Robinho--
----------------Soldado---------------IMO it's just a matter of perception. It's a way to see our 4-2-3-1 , Guti always get forward when attacking. BTW I also prefer Zizou over Baptista, mainly with his latest good form, but i didn't think Caro was going to start him. Let's see how he place the players in this afternoon training matches.

OK Becks is suspended plus Ronaldo is still hurt, so...

-----------------Casillas----------------
----------Woodgate---Ramos-----------
Salgado-------------------------R.Carlos
-------------Garcia---------------------
----------------------Guti--------------
---Cicinho--------------------Robinho---
-----------------Zidane----------------
-----------------Soldado---------------

In the actual lineup, Helguera and Baptista will probably replace Woodgate and Soldado. I really hope my intial lineup is correct though.

OK Becks is suspended plus Ronaldo is still hurt, so...

-----------------Casillas----------------
----------Woodgate---Ramos-----------
Salgado-------------------------R.Carlos
-------------Garcia---------------------
----------------------Guti--------------
---Cicinho--------------------Robinho---
-----------------Zidane----------------
-----------------Soldado---------------

In the actual lineup, Helguera and Baptista will probably replace Woodgate and Soldado. I really hope my intial lineup is correct though.

Yea i really hope that too!! Im tired of Baptista now!

We are missing lot of players again :\



Helguera
Ronaldo
Raul
Beckham
Cassano

This next post is an informative post for the misinformed as to why we needed another attacking player. Under Coach Lopez Caro we now play a 4-2-3-1 formation. Shaped something like this...

-----------GK-----------
RB------CB---CB------LB
--------DM---DM-------
--RM------AM------LM--
-----------CF----------

Here is a list of two or more players for each position. Players in red are currently injured. Players in blue are currently being borrowed from the B team, aka Castilla.

GK Casillas, Diego Lopez
RCB Woodgate, Helguera, Mejia
LCB Ramos, Pavon
RB Salgado, Diogo
LB R.Carlos, R.Bravo
RDM P.Garcia, Gravesen
LDM Guti, (Ramos if needed)
RM Beckham, Cicinho, Balboa
LM Robinho, Zidane
AM Raul, Cassano, Baptista
CF Ronaldo, Soldado

Robihno is more of a winger and has played his best in that role. Baptista is an AM that is really failing to impress. So with Raul injured for a long period of time and Baptista underperforming. Doesn't it seem wise to reinforce a weak position. Cassano can play as either AM or CF so his addition will help us cope with our injury woes.

Real Madrid has a very balanced team. Our bad results have come from incostistency, due mostly to constant injury problems from various players and a few underforming stars.

I really like this formation.
------------------Casillas------------------
---Salgado---Ramos---Woodgate---R.Carlos---
------------------Garcia------------------
----Cicinho---Zidane--Guti---Robinho----
-----------------Soldado-----------------

If that doesn't work we can (a)move Robinho up for more attack or (b)bring Guti back for more defense.

(a)
------------------Casillas------------------
---Salgado---Ramos---Woodgate---R.Carlos---
------------------Garcia------------------
----Cicinho---------------------Guti----
-----------------Zidane-----------------
------------Robinho--Soldado------------

(b)
------------------Casillas------------------
---Salgado---Ramos---Woodgate---R.Carlos---
---------------Garcia-Guti---------------
-----Cicinho------Zidane------Robinho-----
-----------------Soldado-----------------

I dont think Cicinho will play as RM- Im thinking more RB with Robinho RM
thats the way I like it anyway...

------------------Iker---------------
Cicinho---WOODGATE---Ramos----R Carlos
------------Guti----------Garcia-------
----------------Baptista---------
Robinho----------------------Zidane
----------------Soldado--------------

More like a a 4-2-1-2-1

Sounds complicated, but it Baptista can pass the ball then he would be good there otherwise
------------------Iker---------------
Cicinho---WOODGATE---Ramos----R Carlos
------------Guti----------Garcia-------
----------------Zidane---------
Robinho----------------------Baptista
----------------Soldado--------------

Baptista sucks.

Is Ronaldo really sure to not play sunday?

I really like this formation.
------------------Casillas------------------
---Salgado--Helguera--Ramos--R.Carlos---
------------------Garcia------------------
----Cicinho---Zidane--Guti---Robinho----
-----------------Soldado-----------------

If that doesn't work we can (a)move Robinho up for more attack or (b)bring Guti back for more defense.

(a)
------------------Casillas------------------
---Salgado--Helguera-Ramos--R.Carlos---
------------------Garcia------------------
----Cicinho---------------------Guti----
-----------------Zidane-----------------
------------Robinho--Soldado------------

(b)
------------------Casillas------------------
---Salgado--Helguera-Ramos--R.Carlos---
---------------Garcia-Guti---------------
-----Cicinho------Zidane------Robinho-----
-----------------Soldado-----------------

(b) looks very good...cicinho can really be used as a right winger if needed and now beckham is away we really need him there!! One thing, i would prefer woodgate over helguera atm and if you really want helguera in then i would put him next to woodgate with Ramos in de DM spot.

My bad, that's what I would like too. Just notthinking

edited.

Lopez Caro was trying out Helguera in midfield today. Lots of interesting stuff going on :).

I heard Cicinho won sprints against Woodgate, Helguera and..........................R. Carlos! :)

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/4c7a26288robertocarlospelucap.jpg

:bob:

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/4c7a26288robertocarlospelucap.jpg

:bob:

And they say RC is unhappy. Great pic! (Y)

I heard Cicinho won sprints against Woodgate, Helguera and..........................R. Carlos! :)

I bet Woody was faster than Helguera.

I dont think Cicinho will play as RM- Im thinking more RB with Robinho RM


Im pretty sure he will be used as a midfielder, actually if i remember correctly he said it himself that midfield is where he will play so RB's will be just Salgado and Diogo, no one will takeover Salgado's spot;)


-----------------Casillas----------------
----------Woodgate---Ramos-----------
Salgado-------------------------R.Carlos
-------------Garcia---------------------
----------------------Guti--------------
---Cicinho--------------------Robinho---
-----------------Zidane----------------
-----------------Soldado---------------


Looks very nice (Y) Keep Baptista as far from the field as possible :lui: Also great pic of RC hopefully he has a hell of a match :bob:

Yeah, Cicinho is primarily an offensive player. With the RB position being held by (Salgado, Diogo) I don't see him playing there unless injury of course. Anybody think that Sergio Ramos best position is actually RB? Just a though....

http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/4c7a26288robertocarlospelucap.jpg

:bob:

Very funny ! :fool:

Anybody think that Sergio Ramos best position is actually RB? Just a though....

His best is DM IMO. He's young so he's blessed with unlimited energy.

When I first saw that picture(because it is dark) I thought it was Balboa who had picked out his hair !

:p

:lui:

haha
great pic.

I still dont think Baptista sucks...I still think he just needs to find the right position on the field.
But I guess you dont gamble with that on games, you gamble in practice..

Real turn to Tavano (http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=350466&cpid=23&CLID=186&lid=&title=Real+turn+to+Tavano&channel=spain)

What the **** is this? :|

what the ... ?


oh and William, don't get me wrong, I want Baptista to succeed just as much as you, I just don't think we should sacrifice anymore (especially vs. La Liga's elite) to put La Bestia as a starter.

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=350409&CPID=8&clid=&lid=10&title=Gravesen's+Prem+plea

Gravessen wanting to leave?
Cant blame him....

can anyone comment on the fact that strikers are not attacking midfielders?
Because if thats the case this tavano crap would really be annoying

tavano? what the hell? so much for the youth policy, we are pushing portillo and soldado out the door with these signings

how about a midfielder instead? :nape:

- Nuno: Meh... I guess you're right, so does that leave out Mascherano completely? :nape: (if for some reason my dream ever came true)

- Balboa's rating for Fifa '06 (69)...accurate? anybody

- I can't even talk about Baptista anymore, what is there to say...

- Gravesen, yeah such a bad situation. The best for him is to go back to Everton.

- Tava-who? just some random Italian striker? :kader:

- Nuno: Meh... I guess you're right, so does that leave out Mascherano completely? :nape: (if for some reason my dream ever came true)


Having Ramos as a DM is great, but we would be so much better if we played him at CB and brought in Mascherano, a quality holding, defensive midfielder.

yes! that would trully be impressive. IMO That is STILL what Madrid needs

anyone care to comment on my question. It seems MAdrid has 2 attacking Mids: Zizou and Guti. Beckham too if you get technical...BUT it seems we're trying to make 3 strikers into attacking Mid's. I think Robinho can go both ways, but not Baptista, Raul, or Cassano. They are (along with Ronaldo and Soldado) all real strikers. They might play behind the striker, but they arent attacking Mid's are they? You know...the guy who gets the ball at the half, passes on defender, gives a great pass to the striker to score..seems like only Zidane and Guti EVER do that...

Real turn to Tavano (http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=350466&cpid=23&CLID=186&lid=&title=Real+turn+to+Tavano&channel=spain)

What the **** is this? :|

I dont think Real Madrid will get another striker and this rumor is totally false.

Somewhere along the line some one has said "If we fill the team with Strikers, one of them surely has to score!!!"




















He or she should be shot.

If a Reyes / Baptista swap is possible then go for it. Unless Baptista can find some type of form. Then we will have a Left-sided Midfielder!!! Oh YAY! Thy day is nie!

yea i wish we could get reyes

he rocks :bob:

yes! that would trully be impressive. IMO That is STILL what Madrid needs

anyone care to comment on my question. It seems MAdrid has 2 attacking Mids: Zizou and Guti. Beckham too if you get technical...BUT it seems we're trying to make 3 strikers into attacking Mid's. I think Robinho can go both ways, but not Baptista, Raul, or Cassano. They are (along with Ronaldo and Soldado) all real strikers. They might play behind the striker, but they arent attacking Mid's are they? You know...the guy who gets the ball at the half, passes on defender, gives a great pass to the striker to score..seems like only Zidane and Guti EVER do that...

I actually think Raul and Cassano could both do the job. Raul comes back to get the ball and he is a good tranition from midfield to striker plus he can dribble and his passes are pretty good as well. I would think Cassano could do it because others have said that his position is behind the striker. Right now in the team only Zidane and Guti have great through passes which isnt so good. Baptista hasnt shown anything good so even if he was being played as a striker he wouldnt do any good, he cant even do the basic things anymore. Actually in the game it looks like he has a lot of trouble with trying to do anything.

Also it seems that Ronaldo could play agaisnt Villarreal and so far the players out are Raul, Beckham, Cassano, Balboa, and Garcia.

Good to heard that Ronaldo is fit to play. :hump:

Ronaldo is fit for Sunday!! :rockman:

Socrates, I know they can do the job, but I dont think they can do it well. Casano, I dont know, but Raul at attacking mid hasnt produced anything for MAdrid

Ronaldo is fit for Sunday!! :rockman:

Socrates, I know they can do the job, but I dont think they can do it well. Casano, I dont know, but Raul at attacking mid hasnt produced anything for MAdrid

Actually Raul has had a great start of the season...better then previous years. And he mostly played AM so i really think thats the best place for him atm!

really?
how many assists does he have?

really?
how many assists does he have?

So where do you want him in a 4-2-3-1 formation?!
Striker is impossible because Ronaldo is there...so you want to bench him, because he isnt good as AM (wich isnt right if you ask me).

btw, no offense on you mate...just a question.

haha, non taken. I wasnt trying to be smart with my question- just honest.

In that formation he would have to play on the left sub for RObinho on the left or for R9 injuries.

My point was that we need a class center AM. Besides Zidane who's pace has been lacking.

In a 4-2-3-1 formation Raul or Cassano ar perfect behind the striker. A player like Zidane would reduce our goal rate, as we only would have 1 forward. BTW Raul had 7 goals before he got injured (as many as Ronnie).

About Gravesen, i don't think he is in a bad situation, he's just the sub of Garcia, is not like he isn't getting any minutes (he will be starting this sunday btw)

really?
how many assists does he have?

He has 1 assist in the league. not sure about other matches, too lazy to check but i agree with facenside, the only reason why the support striker in our games have looked bad is because it has been Baptista. Raul, Cassano and others that play there are not just for getting assist either. ;)

Gravesen didnt impress me last match, he just isnt the same as last year:( i sure as hell hope he is better against Villarreal. I dont really think he wants to leave though.

Maybe Baptista's skills have been stolen by minature aliens who run an amusement park..., ya know, like Space Jam. :$

i definatley liked the 4-1-4-1 style someone posted before. then we could have 2 players dropping back to get the ball

--------GK-------- God
-RB--CB--CB--LB-- Cich Wood Ivan R.Car
-------DM-------- Pablo
--RM-AM-AM-LM-- Bex Robi Cass Guti
--------ST-------- R9

or
--RM--------LM-- Bex Guti
-----AM--AM----- Robi Cass
--------ST------- R9


I think that will work. hopefully one day it will be tried.

Maybe Baptista's skills have been stolen by minature aliens who run an amusement park..., ya know, like Space Jam. :$

i definatley liked the 4-1-4-1 style someone posted before. then we could have 2 players dropping back to get the ball

--------GK-------- God
-RB--CB--CB--LB-- Cich Wood Ivan R.Car
-------DM-------- Pablo
--RM-AM-AM-LM-- Bex Robi Cass Guti
--------ST-------- R9

or
--RM--------LM-- Bex Guti
-----AM--AM----- Robi Cass
--------ST------- R9


I think that will work. hopefully one day it will be tried.


hehe the spacejam theory...
no Ramos but Helguera instead ?!
I'd rather have 2 strikes upfront with support from the midfield

Raul as a AM is great i think...His dribbling is good, he is pretty fast, he has a VERY good shot and his technique is supurb!

We ll see what happens though ;)

yup, Ronie is fit to play!

Here's the squad for Villarreal-Real Madrid:

Casillas and Diego López
Salgado, Diogo, Woodgate, Pavón, Sergio Ramos, Raúl Bravo and Roberto Carlos.
Gravesen, Helguera, Zidane, Cicinho, Baptista, Guti and Robinho.
Soldado and Ronaldo.

i think we'll start like this (4-1-4-1)

---------------Casillas-----------------
--Salgado--Ramos--Woodgate--Carlos--
---------------Gravesen---------------
---Cicinho----Zidane--Guti----Robinho--
----------------Ronaldo----------------

I'm very excited with Cicinho playing Right Midfielder.

I've just read in Marca that, in Brazil, he was 5th in the list of max balls to the area with 5,5 balls/match. He was also top assistant with 15 assists. It seems he moved to RB in order to have more chances to get called by the NT.

BTW Where's my sig? :( datboy any clue?

BTW Raul had 7 goals before he got injured (as many as Ronnie).


that was under Luxa's system with 2 strikers. Now we play with one. Which...under Quiroz worked great until about march...

I hope this new formation works....

OH!
BTW
R Carlos finally apologized to Valdo!

OH!
BTW
R Carlos finally apologized to Valdo!
Thats great news man!! That shows that Carlos is having fun playing again! This Real Madrid is gonna be a lot better i think!! :rockman: :rockman:

Things looking up for the next match

Cassano....ugh Ah well but we could have used that money to kidnap Solari

blackburn want mejia (http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=351163&CPID=23&clid=&lid=2&title=Rovers+chase+Real+stopper)

yea I read somewhere that Mejia might be done...

blackburn want mejia (http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=351163&CPID=23&clid=&lid=2&title=Rovers+chase+Real+stopper)

Could be good for Mejia.

...Cicinho, Cassano....who next ? :)

yea I read somewhere that Mejia might be done...
and i heard that he wasnt leavin until June :)

We should sell him.

He is being wasted on our team. It will better for him and us.

Meh... MARCA says Helguera is gonna play as DM instead of Gravesen :S Man, he hasn't the speed nor the pass precision to play there :(

hah. this is funny

AS says this will be the starting lineup:

---------------Casillas-------------
--Salgado--Ramos--Pavón--Carlos--
---------Helguera---Guti-----------
---Robinho----Baptista----Zidane---
--------------Ronaldo--------------

while MARCA says:

---------------Casillas-------------
--Salgado--Ramos--Woody--Carlos--
---------Helguera---Guti-----------
---Cicinho-----Zidane----Robinho---
--------------Ronaldo--------------

i hope for MARCA's.. it looks much better. :jap:

yea i like marca's too, i really want cicinho to make his debut today!

also, is there any chance of cassano playing, or is he still getting into shape?

Meh... MARCA says Helguera is gonna play as DM instead of Gravesen :S Man, he hasn't the speed nor the pass precision to play there :(

OMG no, we are going to get crushed, we wont have any chance if this is true.

EDIT Mega Montana : Cassano wont play, he will try to get fully fit and might debut vs Athletic Bilbao.:)

confirmed lineup

Casillas; Salgado, Sergio Ramos, Woodgate, Roberto Carlos; Helguera, Guti, Robinho, Zidane; Baptista and Ronaldo

so Cicinho won't start. :nape: (maybe it's right.. i dunno)
Woody starts! :)

Baptista, no more excuses!! (C)

if he plays like crap tonight again in such a important game. then we need to get rid of him. Baptista for Reyes!

:( Helguera as DM and Baptista instead of Cicinho. May God help us.

BTW I think the formation is:

--------------Iker--------------
--Salgado--Woody-Ramos--RC--
--------Helguera--Guti----------
--Robinho----Baptista---Zizou---
-----------Ronaldo--------------

:( Helguera as DM and Baptista instead of Cicinho. May God help us.

BTW I think the formation is:

--------------Iker--------------
--Salgado--Woody-Ramos--RC--
--------Helguera--Guti----------
--Robinho----Baptista---Zizou---
-----------Ronaldo--------------

I dont think even God can help us on this one:(

No Cicinho :(

Come On Baptista ! Please do something.

I want to see how well Helguera does in that role. Also, GO WOODY !

ughhh, helguera is even worse as a midfielder than he is as a defender :X He's downright awful

hopefully cicinho will come on in the 2nd half, at least

i hope cicinho comes as soon as possible...i dont think baptista is gonna do any good :)

:kader: Why didn't Zizou head that ?

Baptista sucks !!!!

He missed two opportunities.

One of them my sister could have put in :|

What is he doing ?!

Oh, and :Bow:Riquelme & Zidane