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RUSI

29-07-2005, 03:30:AM

:funny:

Ill be honest, ive only seen him play once (for Spain against Serbia) and wasnt very impressed. But selling Samuel, and than paying an extra $9M for a 19 yr old...

All I can say is that at least you have Beckham, cause otherwise you guys would be screwed ;)

(Sacchi must have some kind of plan)

You're killing me with your jokes tonight man :funny: (Becks,Salami Sandwich,Stuart Scott)(H)

Yeah, I think that they(management) have something up their sleeves because it just dosn't make sense.

I think we're going to go after Rio Ferdinand.

Raikkonen

29-07-2005, 03:40:AM

I believe R.Madrid bought Samuel thinking he could be the next "Hierro" of our defense but just didnt worked :\ Everyone thought it was a very nice signing one year ago, but most of Madrid fans didnt know a sh*t a abut Samuel.

Yeah Mark77 he was better in the 2nd half of the season, but he wasnt enough good. His 1st half was terrible :( Even Pavon was better in my opinion.

Pavon better than Samuel??? Samuel received a lot of yellows, he was bad in the first half of the season, but Pavon made some SERIOUS mistakes during the season (the penalty over Forlan, the horrible performance (including an own goal) vs Depor...), and he wasn't even a starter!

i can't imagine Real Madrid with Pavon in the starting XI... oh, wait!! he was a starter the whole 2003/04 season and he was absolutely crap :jambo: . that's why we bought Samuel. :jap:

if i weren't a Real Madrid fan, i would bet that Ramos will flop :rolleyes:. The press overrates him too much. He's good, but not that good (at least, not "20m euros" good), and he's so young. He would have even more pressure than Robinho (if he comes :rolleyes: ).

if we pay more than 20m for Ramos or more than 15m for Baptista, i will fully agree with IceBlu: we will be dumbasses / dumb****s / whatever :nape:

wow, Florentino's wife is pretty.... old!! http://smilies.neo101.nl/smilies/ac6.gif

RUSI

29-07-2005, 03:44:AM

if we pay more than 20m for Ramos or more than 15m for Baptista, i will fully agree with IceBlu: we will be dumbasses / dumb****s / whatever :nape:

I agree, but I can't see Florentino doing anything else because can you imagine how much criticism he would get for not getting anyone else ?

Maybe he'll get someone like Owen last year, relatively cheap and very productive. Maybe this year he'll get somone we actually need though.

Raikkonen

29-07-2005, 03:50:AM

I agree, but I can't see Florentino doing anything else because can you imagine how much criticism he would get for not getting anyone else ?

yeah :( that's why we should had buy Ramos before selling Samuel :nape:

Maybe he'll get someone like Owen last year, relatively cheap and very productive. Maybe this year he'll get somone we actually need though.

there aren't "Owens" left in the market :(, and we need at least 3 of them (a CB, a LM/CAM and a CAM/RM).

in case you were dreaming about signing them, Vicente and Aimar are cup-tied (6)

becksfranksteve

29-07-2005, 04:10:AM

florentino is going to make a quick deal for rio and i think he is gonna get him. But i think Rio suks but at least he is fast

mega montana

29-07-2005, 05:41:AM

A sh*tload.

Probably atleast 25 million euros :|

Which is why I am so scared of us getting him. Sure he has a hell of a lot of talent, Spanish, and can play both RB & CB great, but again he is 19 which is good and bad because I am scared he'll choke.

Selling Samuel is up there with selling Claude and not getting a replacement.

yea but at least claude was older and bitching about money, selling samuel is :| :| :| :| :|

You're killing me with your jokes tonight man :funny: (Becks,Salami Sandwich,Stuart Scott)(H)

Yeah, I think that they(management) have something up their sleeves because it just dosn't make sense.

I think we're going to go after Rio Ferdinand.

i have the same feeling about rio...but i really dont want that guy, he's a druggie

i just hope we get some $hit done soon, even someone minor like ricardhino

but on the positive side, i like the amount of activity this thread is getting :rockman:

Seven8

29-07-2005, 07:08:AM

Rio is an unthankful bloke who tends to forget a lot of things - still he's no drugie (remember the test was negative) - still he's a quality CB with a stupid p-i-m-p attidue.

What about that Lugano guy CB from South America, where does he play ? (please not at the same club as Robinho!) my argentine friend told me about him, he seems a great CB from what he told me.

Robinho Saga Clearing up please.

Why can't RM pay 100% of his release clause ?!

RM pay the full amount and Robinho gets the transfer cerfificate and clearing, therefore we can officially sign him.

He or his agent who hold the other percentage of his rights (the other part is owned by the club) and they will repay RM the amount they got for the deal.

I mean Robinho wanted to do that anway – get no money for the transfer to make the deal happen.

On a side note: a player owned by the club and an his agent is anyway suspect and modern day slavery!

Player agents are a cancer for football!

Crusad3r

29-07-2005, 10:10:AM

faceNside

29-07-2005, 10:33:AM

Raikko, i dont mean Pavon is better than Samuel, but you can name many errors of Samuel, he also had a own goal vs Bayer Leverkusen, he also even fighted against the fans of Bernabeu. I remember nice actions of Helguera and Pavon, but not a single one of Samuel, from Samuel i only remember many actions where he deserved yellow card.

(Y) True.

i can't imagine Real Madrid with Pavon in the starting XI... oh, wait!! he was a starter the whole 2003/04 season and he was absolutely crap :jambo: . that's why we bought Samuel. :jap:

The starter CBs were Bravo and Helguera. Glory to Queiroz forever!! :nape:

Crusad3r

29-07-2005, 12:09:PM

Thailand 0 - Real Madrid 2 (Zidane penalty and Ronaldo) 1st Half

Raul Bravo is doing very good match :lui: :lui:

And Beckham... he is totally different from what we saw 2 years ago. Now he is one the best players of the team.

Seven8

29-07-2005, 01:59:PM

nice to hear that about Becks - the good old RM RMer hehe :rockman:

what's the lineup/formation/score so far ?

Nuno

29-07-2005, 02:09:PM

Edit:This was question to Luxe. He confirms that Samuel is leaving.

Samuel se va al Inter
Sí. Hable con él. Me preguntó qué pasaba. Me dijo que si no le quería y yo le contesté que si él se quedaba aquí yo estaría a gusto con él, pero que si había una buena propuesta para el club y para él mismo, que saliera. Yo tengo problemas con él y me gusta mucho como persona y como profesional.

RUSI

29-07-2005, 02:58:PM

You are to optomistic Nuno.

You could tell Samuel was gone yesterday. The Newspapers get some things right ;)

:kader:

It is good news that Becks is getting better and better (Y)

And also Seven8, if we pay Robinho's release clause, Robinho gets no money. The $50 million goes to Santos and we get nothing back.

Nuno

29-07-2005, 03:07:PM

I'm thinking we'll sign 3 more players. A CB, CMF, and Robinho(eventually).
Andrade :$ and Ballack would be my choices.

jani

29-07-2005, 03:09:PM

nice game by Real (Y)

much, much improved compared to vs Tokyo (was it Tokyo you lost to?)

Raul playing deep somehow makes me sad.. He should be played at least as a second striker.

Beckham, super (Y)

Ronaldo, damn he needs to lose weight.. I mean, imagine, he's this 'fat' and he's like so fast.. imagine if he lost a few more pounds.. Real need Milan Lab (H)

Defense was a bit suspect though, a few times Thai players got oppurtunities to shoot from distance without anybody closing down..

JFG_Lancer

29-07-2005, 03:13:PM

good to hear that we were great today :lui: :lui:

I hope that we can keep it up all season :)

jani

29-07-2005, 03:15:PM

you gotta remember though, that it was againts Thailand ;)

JFG_Lancer

29-07-2005, 03:16:PM

Thats very true, and wasn't it their U-23's? Still a good game and win can boost morale and leave a good impact on the team.

valioso

29-07-2005, 03:34:PM

']you gotta remember though, that it was againts Thailand ;)

I would be like me going nuts about Bilbao winning 9-0 the other day...

Seven8

29-07-2005, 03:35:PM

And also Seven8, if we pay Robinho's release clause, Robinho gets no money. The $50 million goes to Santos and we get nothing back.

so what was that talk of Robinho waiving of a certain amount of money then ?

valioso

29-07-2005, 03:37:PM

so what was that talk of Robinho waiving of a certain amount of money then ?

thats if the club agrees to a transfer, Santos does not agree, so Madrid has to pay 100% of the clause, or something like that

becksfranksteve

29-07-2005, 03:48:PM

seems like everyone just came back from vacation Great job with the posts guys!

RUSI

29-07-2005, 03:54:PM

Yeah, If only we had some good transfers to discuss.

Sevilla has said that Ramos isn't for sale. It would be tragic if we didn't get him.

Seven8

29-07-2005, 04:02:PM

thats if the club agrees to a transfer, Santos does not agree, so Madrid has to pay 100% of the clause, or something like that
ok - thanks for clearing that up

Sevilla has said that Ramos isn't for sale. It would be tragic if we didn't get him.

IMO it wouldn't aslong as we get a good CB + I doubt he already has the class to make the RM defense rock solid.

becksfranksteve

29-07-2005, 04:04:PM

i found some pics of da game

Beckham
http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/53301258.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=7DD0A29ABCA673F576DF034EC239D9DCA9C30E9B9B11 4CE8

Ronaldo
http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/53301459.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=7DD0A29ABCA673F5E7AD33F9FF550A24A9C30E9B9B11 4CE8

Funny pic of Guti ,Becks ,R.Carlos (look at roberto's face !)
http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/53300204.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=7DD0A29ABCA673F54B08594DFCE1ADA7A9C30E9B9B11 4CE8

R.9

29-07-2005, 04:10:PM

jani

29-07-2005, 04:11:PM

Real Madrid are fast becoming like Chelsea.

Clubs milk all the money they can from you guys. Its your fault you spent so much in the past and now become desperate.

WilliamFAlmeida

29-07-2005, 04:28:PM

Ronaldo is NOT FAT. For Umpteenth time!! I saw him live even. He's not fat. He is muscular, but he aint fat!

becksfranksteve

29-07-2005, 04:29:PM

i have to admit in the pic i posted above he dosen't look fat

Nuno

29-07-2005, 04:31:PM

']Real Madrid are fast becoming like Chelsea.

Clubs milk all the money they can from you guys. Its your fault you spent so much in the past and now become desperate.

Noone is milking us.

Diogo and P. Garcia were about 4 mil each.

Samuel was 25 mil, and was worth it at the time.

Woodgate was about 18 mil (can't remember). Can't tell you yet if he's worth it. We'll find out this season.

Owen was a steal for 11 mil.

Beckham 23mil. Another steal.

Before that, Figo, Zidane, and Ronaldo are each worth every penny we spent.

When clubs try to milk us, we normally say forget it. Remember Carvalho?

So seriously, who's milking us? Maybe you should check your facts before posting.

Nuno

29-07-2005, 04:34:PM

']Ronaldo, damn he needs to lose weight.. I mean, imagine, he's this 'fat' and he's like so fast.. imagine if he lost a few more pounds.. Real need Milan Lab (H)

Please stop posting crap in this thread, because you know absolutely nothing about our team.

jani

29-07-2005, 04:47:PM

sorry, I meant they *try* to milk you. thats why you dont get most your targets anymore.

and even if im wront about the milking thing, what does the Ronaldo thing have to do with anything? it was a compliment :|:|:|

"fat" is just a funny word people like to use to describe him cos well, its funny. his character is a very funny so it just adds humour. come on, who'd want to use the word "muscular"? :D

Crusad3r

29-07-2005, 04:54:PM

Nuno

29-07-2005, 04:55:PM

Sorry for the outburst, but as you may have noticed, we get a lot of crap in this thread from uninformed posters.

But seriously, look at Ronie's pic. He looks to be in excellent shape.

jani

29-07-2005, 04:56:PM

what about Robinho then?

Nuno

29-07-2005, 04:58:PM

WOHOOOOOOO!

"18:07 Real Madrid. Baptista ficha por el Madrid por 20 millones de euros"

Marca says that!

It seems we have a new player ! :bouncy::bouncy::bouncy: :lui:

I guess its almost done, AS also confirm it!

That's awesome!!! They better not be lying cause I swear I will fly to Madrid right now and deliver some beat downs!

If it's true than we have signed a very talented player who can help out on both defence and offence. Plus he will be a Spanish citizen very soon.

RUSI

29-07-2005, 04:58:PM

:o

http://www.marca.es/edicion/noticia/0,2458,658841,00.html

He has all the talent in the world. I just hope he doesn't complain or anything

Well we have our midfield complete.

To be honest I don't know enough about Baptista to say but it looks like a great player. I just hope that he fits in with everyone else.

Now we know why Samuel was sold : To open up a spot for Julio Baptista.

jani

29-07-2005, 04:59:PM

But seriously, look at Ronie's pic. He looks to be in excellent shape.

compared to Barca, Inter and pre-injury days?

No..

Fine, he got "muscular", Sheva did too compared to his Kiev days. But you dont see Sheva admitting a fetish for hamburgers and being pictured eating numerous times.. Thats why its just a perfect fit to call Ronaldo "fat" :D

Nuno

29-07-2005, 04:59:PM

']what about Robinho then?

Robinho=Striker
Baptista=Midfielder

becksfranksteve

29-07-2005, 04:59:PM

Finally Some good news. goal.com reported that this would happen like 3 days ago but i am not going to celebrate too soon after what happened with Robinho

jani

29-07-2005, 05:00:PM

Im talking about the money :)

RUSI

29-07-2005, 05:03:PM

Also, We now have a player with a great nickname. Julio 'La Bestia' Baptista (The Beast) :crazyboy:

Finally Some good news. goal.com reported that this would happen like 3 days ago but i am not going to celebrate too soon after what happened with Robinho

Difference is Sevilla want to sell La Bestia and Santos want to keep Robinho.

This probably means a lot less playing time for Guti :(

R.9

29-07-2005, 05:04:PM

Baptista is gonna make Guti chance to play hard again.

becksfranksteve

29-07-2005, 05:09:PM

Yeah i thought about guti when i heard this it finally seemed like he would get a chance to play with figo leaving now this happens

Casillas
Salgado Helguera Woody Carlos
Becks Gravesen (Baptista/Raul)
Zidane

(Raul/Owen) Ronaldo

???????????????????

Crusad3r

29-07-2005, 05:09:PM

Yeah, until i see Baptista wearing the white shirt i wont be sure 100%, but it seems Marca is reporting that is already closed. Marca.com is not famous cause saying lies if the thing is not done at all.

Who is Baptista ?

He was a DM of Sao Paulo, signed Sevilla 2 years ago, Actually he is 24 years old, he will have EU passport next season. in 2003/2004 he scored 20 goals (7 penalties), and 2004/2005 he scored 19 goals in 33 matches. When he signed for Sevilla he was just another Midfielder, but in Sevilla he played an offensive role and he showed he was able to score many goals. The last 2 years he scored more goals than all the strikers of Sevilla (all together i mean).

Iker Casillas + Diego Lopez (btw he was a f*cking wall today, tall and fast)

Salgado Helguera Pavon R.Carlos + Woody, Raul Bravo :lui: , Mejia, Arbeloa, Diogo

Beckham Baptista Gravesen Zidane + Guti, Pablo Garcia, Juanfran, Figo?

Ronaldo Raul + Owen, Soldado

ATM we just need a CB, Robinho could be added next season :rolleyes:

jani

29-07-2005, 05:09:PM

where is Baptista gonna fit in anyway?

---------Gravesen
Beckham----------Zidane
----------Raul

RUSI

29-07-2005, 05:10:PM

Beckham, Guti, Zidane, Baptista, Owen, Raul, Ronaldo, and possibly Luis Figo

will all be fighting for 5 spots.

That leaves 2 out, 3 if you count Figo.

I think it'll be Guti and Owen.

mega montana

29-07-2005, 05:11:PM

i like it, as long as he doesnt complain like rusi says, i will be happy

his versatility is also a good sign

looks like he'll be confirmed later today or tomorrow, per marca

i am just so happy we actually have signed a player :)

R.9

29-07-2005, 05:13:PM

So are they any chance that Robinho will come to Real Madrid ???

0le_Spain

29-07-2005, 05:14:PM

Is Baptista "signed-signed" or "Robinho-like signed"??? somebody post a reliable source plz :)

RUSI

29-07-2005, 05:17:PM

crus, you think La Bestia can play on the left side ?

valioso

29-07-2005, 05:21:PM

i have a ? whats the pt of yet another forward for Madrid?

WilliamFAlmeida

29-07-2005, 05:22:PM

anyone have the highlights for the last Madrid friendly game against the Thailand team?

becksfranksteve

29-07-2005, 05:22:PM

the 2 B's can play on the left and right sides of midfield with the Ogre defensive and the magiacian attacking. At least guti will be the 2nd player off the bench.

RUSI

29-07-2005, 05:26:PM

i have a ? whats the pt of yet another forward for Madrid?

I think we are going to play him as a midfielder ....

I don't think this signing is necessary, but other supporters disagree with me. We'll see.

More than anything we need a defender.

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=295126&lid=10&cpid=23&title=Sevilla+plot+Roma+raid&channel=spain

Indeed, Sevilla have admitted they are preparing to offload Baptista but insist talk that Real might land highly-rated young defender Sergio Ramos as part of a double deal is well wide of the mark.

Director of sport, Ramon 'Monchi' Rodriguez, is adamant that Ramos, 19, will not be departing the club this summer.

"Sergio Ramos is not for sale," Rodriguez stated.

"We do not want to transfer him, are not thinking of negotiating for him and are not going to listen to offers.

"He is 19-years-old and we are a football club, not a bank.

"The case of Baptista is different. Yes, we are listening to offers but we don't need to sell him."

However, Rodriguez revealed that the club are still waiting to field an official bid from Real, adding: "Madrid have not made us an offer for Baptista up to now."

0le_Spain

29-07-2005, 05:30:PM

i have a ? whats the pt of yet another forward for Madrid?

Florentino is desperate that Madrid may not sign Robinho and he'll be left looking like the :fool: he is so he had to make a move for a big name, though i think Baptista is a very good player and i rather have him over Robinho

valioso

29-07-2005, 05:31:PM

I think we are going to play him as a midfielder ....

that makes no sense.. the few games I saw of Sevilla last season he played as 2nd forward.. so it means Owen is out.. if you put him in the midfield who do you take out? Can he actually play as a midfielder?

WilliamFAlmeida

29-07-2005, 05:37:PM

He'll put Gravessen on the Bench. He's way better than him on the DM spot. Though I like Gravasen, he cant pass worth ****

R.9

29-07-2005, 05:39:PM

that makes no sense.. the few games I saw of Sevilla last season he played as 2nd forward.. so it means Owen is out.. if you put him in the midfield who do you take out? Can he actually play as a midfielder?

Yes he can play as a midfielder.

rsnjg

29-07-2005, 05:41:PM

How much do you want for Owen then? (6)

Crusad3r

29-07-2005, 05:43:PM

crus, you think La Bestia can play on the left side ?

I dont think is a good idea.

In Sevilla he played as 2nd forward or offensive midfielder, even he can play as Defensive midfielder with Gravesen or Pablo Garcia.

RUSI

29-07-2005, 05:45:PM

ok...

What is your lineup for us next season ?

elmundo has it http://elmundodeporte.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/2005/07/29/liga/1122652606.html

They are pretty reliable ;)

jani

29-07-2005, 05:46:PM

Inter have been looking for another striker.. Owen to Inter next!

Inter raid Real! haha

mark77

29-07-2005, 05:50:PM

1-1-8 formation ;)

-----------------------Casillas
-----------------------Helguera
-----------------------Gravesen
Robinho-Owen-Baptista-Ronaldo-Zidane--Guti-Raul-R.Carlos

j/k

kidding aside, it's a good signing for the future. The old guard will leave eventually.

RUSI

29-07-2005, 05:50:PM

It's on Sevilla's website

20 million initially plus 4.5 based on performance bonuses

http://www.sevillafc.es/

becksfranksteve

29-07-2005, 05:53:PM

DA Sqaud

----------------------Casillas--------------------

Salgado------Helguera------Woody-------Carlos

--Becks-------------Baptista/Gravesen------------Raul

---------------Zidane---------------------

-----------Owen --------------Ronaldo

Subs

Gravesen/Baptista
Guti
Garcia
Diogo
Pavon
Soldado
D.Lopez

Reserves

Raul Bravo
Arbeloa
Juanfran
Portillo
De La Red
Garcia

Crusad3r

29-07-2005, 05:53:PM

ok...

What is your lineup for us next season ?

elmundo has it http://elmundodeporte.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/2005/07/29/liga/1122652606.html

They are pretty reliable ;)

I would say:

Iker Casillas

Salgado - Helguera - any CB - R.Carlos

Beckham Gravesen Zidane

Baptista

Ronaldo - Raul

But since Luxemburgo said he prefered Zidane in the top of rhombus, i really have no clue.

Baptista is a good signing if we dont get Robinho, actually i really prefer Baptista to Robinho. But if we sign Robinho that will means we will sell Owen for sure, and i really hate that :(

1-1-8 formation ;)

-----------------------Casillas
-----------------------Helguera
-----------------------Gravesen
Robinho-Owen-Baptista-Ronaldo-Zidane--Guti-Raul-R.Carlos

j/k

kidding aside, it's a good signing for the future. The old guard will leave eventually.

Casillas

Baptista, Raul, Owen, Soldado, Ronaldo, Robinho, Adriano, Guti, Zidane, Beckham, the best defense is a good attack! :P

RUSI

29-07-2005, 05:58:PM

But since Luxemburgo said he prefered Zidane in the top of rhombus, i really have no clue.

Baptista is a good signing if we dont get Robinho, actually i really prefer Baptista to Robinho. But if we sign Robinho that will means we will sell Owen for sure, and i really hate that :(

Yeah, that's what I was wondering since I am not sure if Zizou will play on the left. I feel really bad for Michael Owen. :kader:

Looks good in white :p

http://www.as.com/portada/imgs/portadas/baptista2907.jpg

becksfranksteve

29-07-2005, 06:03:PM

michael owen is our only true consistent striker,yes ronaldo is the best and scores more than michael but ronaldo usually has a few average games then expoldes (case in point the last few games of the season) .i think our team needs someone like michael. i think we should get robinho when is contract is up. baptista is better than him anyway

Seven8

29-07-2005, 06:03:PM

I’d go for that line up:

with Raul/Ronaldo/Owen rotating every game or depending on form.

----------------------Casillas---------------------
--Salgado----Helguera------Woody-----Carlos--

--Becks------------- Gravesen-------- Baptista--

-----------------------Zidane---------------------

-----------Owen-------------------Ronaldo-------

Subs: Raul, Guti, Garcia, Pavon, D.Lopez

That's great news that RM signed Baptista - IMO now Robinho can come next year straight in for Zidane...(if they let him go cheaper, otherwise snap him up in 3 years for free)

RM could still fork out the money for a good CB (I still got doubts over Woodys fitness)

mega montana

29-07-2005, 06:08:PM

ForzaNerrazurri

29-07-2005, 06:11:PM

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul29a.html

Samuel today, and Figo by the end of the weekend :)

4 year deal :rockman: :rockman:

becksfranksteve

29-07-2005, 06:11:PM

i just read something in the manu thread about ferdinand. it seems that the fans have all turned against himand he is still reluctant to sign . If florentino could make this move along with the baptista we will have a great sqaud for next year.

Crusad3r

29-07-2005, 06:14:PM

i think owen will still get a lot of opportunities, he showed his class off the bench last season, plus with all the games we play, he'll definitely get some starts

this is a nice pickup, especially if this really is zizou's last season

i like it more and more

Thats right too !

Even having:

Baptista Raul Ronaldo in the line up, Owen will play a lot of minutes like the last season. The season will be very long and Owen will play easily 10-15 matches as starter and 30-40 as sub. The bad thing is that this year there is a world cup and all the players need minutes to show their countries they are good for the World cup. Thats why Solari and Figo are leaving us. Even Guti will think twice too.

RUSI

29-07-2005, 06:17:PM

If I was Guti, I would leave now that we got La Bestia.

I just hope Owen stays :)

RUSI

29-07-2005, 06:23:PM

It's on realmadrid.com

http://www.realmadrid.com/articulo/comunicado_oficial_real_madrid_cf_24709.htm

He'll be presented Monday at el Estadio Santiago Bernabéu :brow:

I am unsure if he can play dm as some of you say (:/)

mega montana

29-07-2005, 06:28:PM

so have we given up on robinho this year? would we even have room for him with the beast on board?

i am really really happy right now with this signing, bring on ramos :rockman:

Crusad3r

29-07-2005, 06:31:PM

It's on realmadrid.com

[url]

I am unsure if he can play dm as some of you say (:/)

Yeah Rusi, i even remember Marca saying "Sevilla signed a Mauro-Silva wannabe" or something like that :P

Nuno

29-07-2005, 06:32:PM

OK. This is how I see it. Julio Baptista is not called "The Beast for nothing. He's a big dude. Also, from what I hear he is very good in defence and in attack. Where should we play him? I say right next to Gravesen. Check it out...

Becks-----Grav-----Beast
-----------Zizou---------

Now before someone starts saying, "OH, he's not a left side player," the position I'm proposing is CMF(center midfielder). The same position Deco plays for Barca. Now since Becks(yes Becks), Gravesen, and The Beast all have defensive qualities, Zidane will have even more freedom. All we need now is a new CB(with pace..Andrade please :$ ) and we will be winning titles next season for sure.

mega montana

29-07-2005, 06:37:PM

WilliamFAlmeida

29-07-2005, 06:39:PM

---------Iker
Salgado ---Woddy---Helguerra---R Carlos
Beckham---Baptista----Zidane
-----------Raul---------
Owen--------------Ronaldo

RUSI

29-07-2005, 06:44:PM

Guys, you are forgeting Andrade is now Cup-Tied.

We should get a fast CB like Andrade ;) though

mega montana

29-07-2005, 06:48:PM

Guys, you are forgeting Andrade is now Cup-Tied.

We should get a fast CB like Andrade ;) though

oh yea, forgot about that :$

when does baptista get his spanish passport, is it before this season?

Nuno

29-07-2005, 06:49:PM

---------Iker
Salgado ---Woddy---Helguerra---R Carlos
Beckham---Baptista----Zidane
-----------Raul---------
Owen--------------Ronaldo

Gravesen is the best DMF we have. Becks, Grav, and Baptista is our best midfield trio.

Guys, you are forgeting Andrade is now Cup-Tied.

Crap!

becksfranksteve

29-07-2005, 06:49:PM

does anyone know if luagno is fast ????

Crusad3r

29-07-2005, 06:51:PM

Rusi, i will write you what "Marca Guide Liga 2004" said about Baptista in 1st year in Sevilla

"Although being 21 years old (He will be 24 in November), this defensive midfielder is called The Beast and is already playing for Brazil NTdue his power, his strenght..."

His stats in Sao Paulo (as defensive midfielder)

2000 15 matches 0 goals
2001 25 matches 4 goals
2002 15 matches 3 goals
2003 15 matches 3 goals

His stats in Sevilla (as offensive midfielder)

2004 30 matches 20 goals
2005 33 matches 19 goals

I guess this could be a nice option for Baptista to get a spot in Brazilian NT, is not easy to fight Kaka, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Adriano,... but being succesful in Madrid could be very nice for his career :)

Nuno

29-07-2005, 06:54:PM

WilliamFAlmeida

29-07-2005, 06:57:PM

Luxa will prolly play with 2 DMs

-----------------Iker
---------Helguerra---Woody---
Salgado-----------------------------RC
-----------Grav-----Baptista---Raul
----------------Zizou--
------Owen-------------Ronaldo

I still think Baptista is better than Grav on the DM. Gravessen cant pass worth a darn. He's no good at that. the beast plays A LITTLE DM for Brasil and does well. He scored that Bicycle kick against Catoloniam when Brasil won 5-1!!

ANYONE HAVE HIGHLIGHTS YET?

mega montana

29-07-2005, 06:58:PM

Now some of you may disagree with me, but this is the best lineup for Real Madrid IMO.

-------------------Casillas-------------------
-----------Helguera------Woodgate----------
Salgado------------------------------R.Carlos
------------------Gravesen------------------
-------Beckham-------------Baptista---------
-------------------Raul----------------------
-----------Owen----------Ronaldo-----------

IMO Zidane is too inconsistent and he ain't getting any younger. Squad rotations should also be a regular thing to keep players fresh and most importantly happy.

i like that a lot, i think raul/owen/zizou should be rotated between the two positions

also, i think luxe will want to rotate more this year, there was an interview with him on as the other day where he said he wanted more than 11 players, also raul has said he knows he wont start every game

also, i have a feeling we will try to swoop for rio ferdinand, just a hunch..i dont really want him, but he would be someone to replace samuel

Nuno

29-07-2005, 07:03:PM

i like that a lot, i think raul/owen/zizou should be rotated between the two positions

also, i think luxe will want to rotate more this year, there was an interview with him on as the other day where he said he wanted more than 11 players, also raul has said he knows he wont start every game

also, i have a feeling we will try to swoop for rio ferdinand, just a hunch..i dont really want him, but he would be someone to replace samuel

As for Rio. I do think he's being a c*nt asking for all that money from United, but the fact remains that he is a damn good CB. He's fast, strong, and tall. If we signed him, we would be set for next season.

mega montana

29-07-2005, 07:26:PM

yea he'd definitely shore up the defense, that's definite

i wonder how much he would cost? It seems like a good time to go after him, especially since he is hesitant to sign a new deal and the fans seem to have turned on him

edit: weren't woody and rio paired up defensively in leeds? that might be another reason to get him if he knows the style of woody

WilliamFAlmeida

29-07-2005, 07:27:PM

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Not to be annoying or anything.. (6) :p :junior:

Callum

29-07-2005, 07:36:PM

you should just get raul off the field, owen is much better than he is, so why does raul play?

Parker

29-07-2005, 07:48:PM

I think Baptista is good sign. He is great add to our midfield both defensive and offensive. I feel sorry for Guti, but if he stay he should be first Zidane changer. Zizou is old and fatigue fast so it would happen often.

djgperu1

29-07-2005, 08:01:PM

Yep i think this was the best signing for Florentino so far...
i would play like this...

----------Casillas------------
Salg.--Helg.--Woddy.--R.Carlos
----------Gravs.-----------
Becks----Baptista-----Zidane
-----Owen -----Ronaldo-----
or
----------Casillas------------
Salg.--Helg.--Woddy.--R.Carlos
----------Gravs.-----------
Becks------------------Baptista
-----------Raul-----------
----Owen -----Ronaldo------

WilliamFAlmeida

29-07-2005, 08:13:PM

anyone read my last post? :p

Nuno

29-07-2005, 08:17:PM

So this is our squad now...I'll round it off to 22.

GK
Casillas
Diego Lopez
Summary:No worries here.

SB
Roberto Carlos
Salgado
Diogo
Raul Bravo
Summary:Well covered as well.

CB
Woodgate
Helguera
Pavon
Mejia
Summary:4 would be enough for any team, but our 4 lack reliabilty. One more quality CB would ease the pain.

DM
Gravesen
Pablo Garcia
Summary:Well covered. No signing needed.

CM
Beckham
Baptista
Guti
+ 1 Cantenero(sp?) Maybe Jurado or Juan Fran.
Summary:Well covered. No signing needed.

OM
Zidane
Figo
Summary:Well covered. Figo may be replaced by Robinho. We'll see.

CF
Ronaldo
Raul
Owen
Soldado
Summary:Portillo who??? With Soldado our attack is complete.

2005/2006 keeps looking better and better for us.

Mikey

29-07-2005, 08:17:PM

i find it funny you guys put Woodgate in your ideal lineup, considering he's made of glass

Nuno

29-07-2005, 08:19:PM

i find it funny you guys put Woodgate in your ideal lineup, considering he's made of glass

And you would know, since you're his personal doctor, right?

Don't worry about us. We'll definately be buying a new CB during this transfer window.

Seven8

29-07-2005, 08:23:PM

So this is our squad now...
2005/2006 keeps looking better and better for us.

Agree with you Nuno.

Looks good, indeed only a decent CB is needed IMO now - and Owen must stay.

btw classy Portillo who... I already rate Soldado way better than him and I've seen Soldado play only 5 minutes so far...a great 4th striker

mega montana

29-07-2005, 08:27:PM

i find it funny you guys put Woodgate in your ideal lineup, considering he's made of glass

well it is an 'ideal' lineup and woody when healthy will be this team's best CB

hopefully we'll buy another CB just in case

Nuno

29-07-2005, 08:41:PM

Should the Beast get number 8? If Figo leaves than 10 could go to Robinho(If he comes).

becksfranksteve

29-07-2005, 08:56:PM

yeah i am pretty sure he'll get 8

mega montana

29-07-2005, 08:57:PM

yea i'd bet on 8 as well

Drvar

29-07-2005, 09:03:PM

i'm back from holidays, not quite the news i expected when i return, but still, Baptista is an excellent player. im off to sleep now, havent slept in a few days :).

Raikkonen

29-07-2005, 09:10:PM

if we pay more than 20m for Ramos or more than 15m for Baptista, i will fully agree with IceBlu: we will be dumbasses / dumb****s / whatever :nape:

WE ARE OFFICIALLY DUMBASSES!!!!!

i don't know why you people are celebrating :nape: 20m for Baptista is way, way, way, WAY too much!!.

we're screwed. another silverless season, and Owen will leave for sure after this :nape:

RUSI

29-07-2005, 09:24:PM

Nuno, Baptista is more of an attacking-mid than a centre-mid ;)

I'm still skeptical over this transfer. I'll certainly be against it if we don't get a defender.

Nuno

29-07-2005, 09:26:PM

WE ARE OFFICIALLY DUMBASSES!!!!!

i don't know why you people are celebrating :nape: 20m for Baptista is way, way, way, WAY too much!!.

we're screwed. another silverless season, and Owen will leave for sure after this :nape:

Boy, you're very pessimistic. Don't worry. Baptista is an excellent addition. Check out some of the lineups we've made up. If we expect to win titles we need a strong squad like this. If Mourinho can keep everyone happy at Chelsea than Luxe has to do the same thing at Real.

Parker

29-07-2005, 09:28:PM

20m for Baptista is way, way, way, WAY too much!!

Possibly, but Baptista is young, universal and powerful player. And from two years almost every classy player is overpayed.

About formation. I think it will be like that:
----------Casillas------------
Salg.--Helg.--Pavon*--R.Carlos
----------Gravesen--------
Becks-----Baptista---Zidane
-----Ronaldo-----Raul-----

*Jonathan if he recover, and get form.

RUSI

29-07-2005, 09:31:PM

http://www.marca.es/edicion/noticia/0,2458,658913,00.html

Robinho has offered himself to Santos to play until August 30 if they sell him before the deadline (August 31)

Guys, I thought the Trident of Rauol, Ronaldo, Owen worked very well in the second half of last season and now Baptista will probably sit Owen. :(

WilliamFAlmeida

29-07-2005, 09:34:PM

still no highlights.......... :boohoo:

Raikkonen

29-07-2005, 09:37:PM

Boy, you're very pessimistic. Don't worry. Baptista is an excellent addition. Check out some of the lineups we've made up. If we expect to win titles we need a strong squad like this. If Mourinho can keep everyone happy at Chelsea than Luxe has to do the same thing at Real.

i'm realistic (H) :(

i said a zillion times than i didn't want Baptista because he isn't the kind of player we need: he's cocky, self-centered, a money-whore, etc. If he doesn't start too often, he will whine... A LOT. He's a bad apple :nape: and he's a non-EU player. my god, we could had use more wisely those 20m euros.

and Owen will leave. he will be the 4th or 5th striker now (Ronaldo, Robinho, Baptista, Raul, Owen, Soldado), and if Ronaldo gets injured, who would you think Luxa will choose to replace him? a fellow countryman that he wanted to sign, or a quiet little english man, who won't say anything if he stays in bench?

bye Michael :(

If Mourinho can keep everyone happy at Chelsea than Luxe has to do the same thing at Real.

Mourinho can do that because he doesn't sign players cockier than him :fool:

WilliamFAlmeida

29-07-2005, 09:43:PM

I dont know how you have that opinion of Baptista. I dont think he'll do any of that. ANd I think he's spoken with Luxa over his role already so he knows what he's getting into. Also Owen wont leave cuz Luxa is a professional, not a Brazilian nazi.

Raikkonen

29-07-2005, 09:52:PM

I dont know how you have that opinion of Baptista. I dont think he'll do any of that.

he did the same in Sevilla. first he didn't want to play too far from the goal and he had some discussions with Caparros, then he wanted a bigger wage, and now he has been toying with Arsenal, Barcelona, Sevilla and Real Madrid all the summer. He didn't choose Real Madrid because of "the history, the honor, the chance to play with [insert any name here]...", he came for the money. :nape:

Also Owen wont leave cuz Luxa is a professional, not a Brazilian nazi.

Owen won't have any chances to play with Ronaldo, Raul, Robinho and Baptista in front of him. Even if Robinho doesn't come, Florentino will prefer to sell Owen and give to Soldado his spot in the squad. :jambo:

i'm very piss off right now :kader: i can't really think how Baptista could be a good addition. maybe if he had a european passport, or he wouldn't had cost so much...

Callum

29-07-2005, 10:02:PM

i really hope owen leaves, madrid is just wasting away his talent, he needs to be playing first team football, he is better than most of your forwards anyway, if not your best one, so i hope he leaves and goes back to england maybe, for the sake of england national team as well.

Parker

29-07-2005, 10:04:PM

I think Baptista join Real Madrid to play in BIG team, what should help him to get spot in Brazilian nation team before World Cup.

faceNside

29-07-2005, 10:09:PM

No to Ballack in Real Madrid :nape: Im sick of signing foreign people to take Guti´s place...

Now I hope Madrid dont get another OM to play over Guti... As always do... :boohoo:

:nape: :nape: :nape: :nape: I´m very upset with this signing, it has too negative sides...

1) We´re not getting Robinho
2) If we get Robinho Raul will be benched

And the main thing:

3) Florentino has demostrated one more time his contempt with Guti, and so with the youngsters.

Im tired of people thinking that foreign players deserves to get an spot just for being foreigns (brazilian in this case), when we have players that have grown up in our young teams and can do the same job, if not better.

(N)(N) Florentino

RUSI

29-07-2005, 10:16:PM

:nape: :nape: :nape: :nape: I´m very upset with this signing, it has too negative sides...

1) We´re not getting Robinho
2) If we get Robinho Raul will be benched

And the main thing:

3) Florentino has demostrated one more time his contempt with Guti, and so with the youngsters.

Im tired of people thinking that foreign players deserves to get an spot just for being foreigns (brazilian in this case), when we have players that have grown up in our young teams and can do the same job, if not better.

(N)(N) Florentino

We need more Spaniards playing in Real Madrid.

As I've been saying this will kill Guti's playing time and if we get Robinho, say bye-bye Owen and like you said Raul, yes Raul might be benched.

We might have as many English or Brasilians as we do Spanish in out starting lineup this year. We are not Inter Milan or Arsenal.

Becks is God

29-07-2005, 10:22:PM

all you guys bashing the Baptista deal, just 1 year ago you were all saying Owen shouldnt come, now you all want him to stay. In one year you will all be singin his praises :boohoo:

becksfranksteve

29-07-2005, 10:24:PM

At least we don't have to play against Baptista again he killed us last year !

mega montana

29-07-2005, 10:31:PM

i dunno i like the deal, sure he's money hungry, but cant you say the same thing about many of our players? Surely it's nice to play for Real Madrid because of its history, but a lot of players see it as a chance to make more $$$

i like this signing for a number of reasons:

-he's young
-he's proven himself in spain
-he's versatile
-he'll be playing ronaldo and roberto carlos and will be coached by another brazilian
-he'll have a EU passport pretty soon

on the other hand:

-he could bitch about playing time
-guti may not play enough
-his fee may not be justified

djgperu1

29-07-2005, 10:32:PM

Remember that Zidane is leavin next year.. and Baptista has signed a 5 year Contract :jambo:

-William-

29-07-2005, 10:40:PM

WE ARE OFFICIALLY DUMBASSES!!!!!

i don't know why you people are celebrating :nape: 20m for Baptista is way, way, way, WAY too much!!.

Actually it was 24.5m :ewan:

and yeah you guys should play with Baptista as a DM (6)

mega montana

29-07-2005, 10:45:PM

saw this on the bbc website

Baptista will have been resident in Spain for two years in August and can apply for citizenship then, but it is unlikely to be granted until 2006.

that's good news

hopefully ronnie and baptista can get their passports early in 2006

Raikkonen

29-07-2005, 10:49:PM

Remember that Zidane is leavin next year.. and Baptista has signed a 5 year Contract :jambo:

Baptista as Zidane's replacement??

i'm even more sad now :(

Actually it was 24.5m :ewan:

and yeah you guys should play with Baptista as a DM (6)

it would be 24,5 if we win La Liga or the CL... so, we will pay 20m :jap:

:(

RUSI

29-07-2005, 10:52:PM

it would be 24,5 if we win La Liga or the CL... so, we will pay 20m :jap:

:(

Where did you get that from ?

I have been looking for what the 4,5 million weere for ?:(

Raikkonen

29-07-2005, 10:55:PM

Where did you get that from ?

I have been looking for what the 4,5 million weere for ?:(

http://www.as.com/articulo.html?xref=20050729dasdasftb_24&anchor=dasftb&type=Tes&d_date=20050729

El club que preside Florentino Pérez pagará 20 millones de euros al Sevilla, más otros 4,5 en función de diversos objetivos.

:jap:

faceNside

29-07-2005, 11:00:PM

For what ive read in Sevilla webpage, we will end up paying 24,5 in all cases.

But if the team achieves some objectives, we will pay the 4,5 earlier.

El Sevilla FC y el Real Madrid han alcanzado un acuerdo para el traspaso del futbolista brasileño Julio Baptista, que dejará las filas sevillistas para incorporase al club de la capital de España a cambio de una cantidad que alcanzará los 24,5 millones de euros, ya que el traspaso contempla una cantidad inicial de 20 millones más otros 4,5 en función de objetivos que, en el caso de que no se cumplieran en los plazos establecidos serían abonados a la finalización del contrato firmado entre Baptista y el Madrid, que también corre con los porcentajes que integran la operación.

WilliamFAlmeida

29-07-2005, 11:24:PM

4 pages later....
DOES ANYONE have highlights of the Thai game?!?!?!?!?

valioso

29-07-2005, 11:47:PM

4 pages later....

obviously not.. if they did they would have been posted

Rudee

30-07-2005, 12:51:AM

4 pages later....
DOES ANYONE have highlights of the Thai game?!?!?!?!?

Check this (http://s5.ultrashare.net/hosting/fs/20ab6c1c3e911783).

pullstones_jr

30-07-2005, 02:03:AM

Man, I'm even sadder than San Iker and faceNside over this transfer. It's UNNECESSARY. I'll lay down my points (most of which have been admittedly posted b4)
1) Price - 24.5 M
hmmmm... more than Owen was acquired for :nape: and IMO about 5-6 more M than he is really worth. Why Perez, why?

When you buy someone for this price you assume hes gonna be in your starting lineup, right (25M for a bench player just isn't right) bringing us on to point number 2

2)Positioning - Remains to be seen
DM? - Maybe, maybe not. are we going to play with 2 DMs or relegate the Ogre to the bench after half a season( we also just bought Garcia, but hes failed to impress me abit)? Anyone taking Gravy's spot in a straight swap has to be proven through and through in the DM position...Baptista has been proven to be an excellent OM and striker of late, not a DM ( in recent times anyway)

CM or OM? - With Guti in form(in the preseason so far) and Zizou commanding a spot in RMs lineup, the timing of this transfer leaves a lot to be desired. Somewhat of a slap in the face for Guti and Figo :nape: who've both done yeoman's work on our tours....and as for the canteranos who desire to break in to the team, even worse. :kader: Are we a Spanish team or not? Being in the Brazilian national team for the Confed Cup counts for a lot, I'll give him that, but we've already got his position pretty well covered, don't we? Have we officially given up on Raul?

WM? - I don't know if he can play as a winger, can he? Maybe he can come in in the Solari postion, LWM (if Figo goes)? Has he played there b4? Right wing is owned by Beckham and Juanfran (6)

ST? - Hes good here, yadda yadda, hes scores goals true....but remember he takes practically all Sevillas penalties. Correct me if im wrong but i think he takes free kicks too...versatility and talent yes but is this what we need at the moment? Weve got cakeboy(Ronie) and shorty, and for backup we've got Soldado

WHERE IS HE GOING TO PLAY?? CB? :S

If everyone stays there is gonna b a lot of competition for squad places though, which is a good thing

3) Euro passport? No! :nape: :nape: :nape:
Unless Perez has family in the visa office or something, we hav to wait a while for Baptista's spanish passport

4) Timing...this part isn't all that bad to tell u the truth. It appeases fans minds from the robinho fiasco...a sort of consolation prize. Maybe it signals that Teixeira has won utterly in the fight to keep robinho. Maybe the poor kid has no chance of a place in MAdrid later in the season or even after it.....unless guti and figo goes (grrrrrrrr)

All in all, the pros outweigh the cons. We just hav to wait and see if this is a blessing in disguise.

pullstones_jr

30-07-2005, 02:08:AM

Oooooh lovely Raul assist and Ronaldo finish. The touches for the De la Red goal were great too....the canteranos are knocking on the door!

Hamilton

30-07-2005, 02:24:AM

Check this (http://s5.ultrashare.net/hosting/fs/20ab6c1c3e911783).

LMAO on the penalty :p RONALDOOOOOOOO....erm....

RUSI

30-07-2005, 02:34:AM

Great Post Pullstones(Is Oliver your name?)(Y)

I agree with all of your points (Y)

Nice goals in that Thailand match :)

We'll have to pay the release clause to get Ramos (http://www.as.com/articulo.html?xref=20050730dasdaiftb_9&anchor=dasftb&type=Tes&d_date=20050730)

Baptista Interview (http://www.as.com/articulo.html?xref=20050730dasdaiftb_7&anchor=dasftb&type=Tes&d_date=20050730)

mega montana

30-07-2005, 02:41:AM

yea nice post

i think he'll be fine at madrid, plus lets not forget, he gives this team something it desperately lacks...youth

the last two years have been horrible due to a short bench and our 'galacticos' getting older, now with owen and baptista, we have younger guys we can rotate/start with the zidanes, rauls, and ronaldos

i like it, although it was a lot of money

becksfranksteve

30-07-2005, 03:14:AM

So was this Perez's Galactico for this year ??

Becks is God

30-07-2005, 03:38:AM

no i doubt it, could be Rio Ferdinand :brow: im happy with the Baptista deal, i hope some more transfers happen soon, do u think this means we wont be goin after Ballack?

Raikkonen

30-07-2005, 03:44:AM

Baptista Interview (http://www.as.com/articulo.html?xref=20050730dasdaiftb_7&anchor=dasftb&type=Tes&d_date=20050730)

:| :| :| :|

"my dream was to play in Real Madrid, since i was a child" :rolleyes:

yeah, right :boohoo:

now we need another CB (Ramos?) and maybe (just maybe, because i think we won't sign more players) a CDM/RM, a backup for Beckham.

btw, i think Robinho won't come. We don't need him now, and if we go to a trial, FIFA could punish us like they did with Roma in the Mexes case.

i feel sorry for Robinho, coz Texeira is a ******* retard who doesn't care about the kid's future. If Robinho stays another season in Brazil, there's NO WAY that he could be called to the WC 06. Ronaldo, Adriano, Baptista and Oliveira will play CL, and even Luis Fabiano will have a lot of chances to earn a spot in the NT, he will play in La Liga and in the UEFA Cup.

Socrates

30-07-2005, 03:47:AM

WOW what a dumbass move by Perez :kader:

mega montana you say we need youth, true but not in the form of Baptista for gods sake, **** man i wanted Guti to play a lot this season especially with Zidanes old ass getting tired too quick, i mean did you guys not notice how slow he got in the second half of the season, his moves worked but he was too damn slow to get to the ball. Thats why Guti SHOULD start this year, i mean what more does the guy have to do to get his well deserved playing time. At least we should sell Guti so he can play regular football like he deserves so he can be at the WC killing the defences.

Also i think Luxe will use the same type of formation as last season, which did not start with 2 DMs. We only play that if were winning and need to keep the lead.

-------------------Casillas-------------------
-----------Helguera------Woodgate----------
Salgado------------------------------R.Carlos
------------------Gravesen------------------
-------Beckham-------------Guti---------
-------------------Raul----------------------
-----------Owen----------Ronaldo-----------

Now even though you guys will disagree, i think we should play this formation. Yes Zidane on the bench, even though he is still really good at his age, he is too slow now/inconsistent, i would perfer Guti over Zidane or Baptista ( yes i know his ass is gonna whine and cry but Luxe himself says that players need to understand the rotation system so why the **** do we sign Baptista ). We should just bring in Zidane/Baptista if Raul or Guti is doing bad.

I also disagree with singing Rio, we need to sign a SPANISH player for once, you know we are a Spanish team. Call Hierro out of retirement (6)

RUSI

30-07-2005, 04:15:AM

Like you Socrates, I don't understand why we didn't do this... (I only disagree in benching Zidane in big matches)

------------Casillas-----------
Salgado-Woody-Helguera-Carlos-
-----------Gravesen----------
--Beckham----------Raul------
------------Zidane-----------
-------Owen--------Ronaldo----

or

------------Casillas-----------
Salgado-Woody-Helguera-Carlos-
-----------Gravesen----------
--Beckham----------Guti------
------------Zidane-----------
-------Raul--------Ronaldo----

For smaller matches to save Zidane

------------Casillas-----------
Salgado-Woody-Helguera-Carlos-
-----------Gravesen----------
--Beckham----------Guti------
-------------Raul-----------
-------Owen--------Ronaldo----

For defensive purposes -

------------Casillas-----------
Salgado-Woody-Helguera-Carlos-
------Gravesen-Garcia---------
--Beckham---Raul-----Guti------
---------Ronaldo/Owen------

But instead I have absolutely no clue what we are going to do. I hope Vanderlei can work some miracles... :nape:

WE should have saved the 20 million from Baptista and added the money from Samuel's deal to buy a World-Class CB and a cheaper back-up winger...?

Guti will never play now that we have Baptista even tough Guti can pass better, recover better and is a Madridista at heart unlike Baptista who is the opposite.

mega montana

30-07-2005, 04:21:AM

rusi i thought you liked this move?

i agree we should buy some spanish players, but who can we really get besides ramos? Joaquin doesnt look likely to leave this season

dont forget, we are losing two offensive players (figo and solari) and have only brought in one, guti will have plenty of opportunities to play. Plus, remember how many games this team plays, there will no doubt be a lot of games that guti will start for us.

It's always better to have too many good players than too few

RUSI

30-07-2005, 04:26:AM

RUSI

30-07-2005, 04:35:AM

Oh, and remember...

I'd be willing to bet money that a year from now we will be fighting with Roman Abramovich for the signing of ............................................... Adriano.

;)

yt23w

30-07-2005, 04:35:AM

(*Warning* im not in a good mood while writing this).
Before i start my rant ANSWER ME THIS (please) when does the transfer market End? Important question.

NOW

Lets look at our midfield now:

---------------Grav / P.Garcia----------------
---------------------------------------------
Becks / Jaunfran------------------Figo / ???--
---------------------------------------------
-------------Zidane / Guti / Baptista----------
---------------------------------------------
-----------Raul-----------Ronaldo------------ Owen

If Real Want titles then we need to:....
KEEP: Figo, Guti and Owen

SELL: Raul Bravo (just do it already!!!)

BUY: Rio and/or Andrade and if neccesary Robinho

WE ARE REAL MADRID. MONEY IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR US!!!!! BUY WHO EVER THE F(_)C|< YOU WANT!!!!!!

*Keep Figo and find a replacement for him (who is the RealMadrid B LM?? get him in there! fvcking anyone!!grrrrr!)

*Owen will stay because Luxa will not use The Beast as a striker!!

*Robinho will force Owen out of Madrid! So just remember you cant have both.

*Raul + Zidane are not LMids!!!

If a good CB wont sign just drive up to their house with a truck fullllll of Cash, Park it in the driveway. honk the horn. then get out, smile at (CB's name here) put ya hands in your pockets and slowly walk off whistling to your self...Then fax a contract thru to him. DONE FVCKING DEAL!

oh and...
Mourinho can do that because he doesn't sign players cockier than him
thats cause no one IS cockier than Mourinho

RMking

30-07-2005, 04:54:AM

Well the day has finally come!

After acquiring Baptista, Robinho finally will arrive on officially on August 25th in time for the Champions League Sept. 1 roster deadline.

Unfortunately, this really places Owen elsewhere this up coming season.

30-07-2005

COMUNICADO OFICIAL: El Real Madrid CF y el Santos FC llegan a un acuerdo para el traspaso de Robinho

El Real Madrid Club de Fútbol y el Santos Futebol Clube han firmado hoy un acuerdo por el cual Robson de Souza, Robinho, será jugador del club blanco el próximo 25 de agosto. El jugador firmará un contrato que le vinculará con el Real Madrid durante las próximas cinco temporadas.

http://www.realmadrid.com/articulo/comunicado_oficial_real_madrid_cf_24715.htm

------------Iker-----------
Salgado-Woody-Helguera-Carlos-
-----------Gravesen----------
--Beckham--------Baptista/Guti---
------------Zidane-----------
----Robinho/Raul---Ronaldo--

R.9

30-07-2005, 04:56:AM

At last we got Robinho !!!!! :rockman:

mega montana

30-07-2005, 05:00:AM

I think Baptista is a very talented player, but i don't like his attitude and also don't like how much time he will take from Guti.

For the position he'll play, Guti is much better suited than is Baptista.
Guti will play like you said, but he'll be behind Baptista in preference which IMO is wrong.

Maybe Lux can change La Bestia's attitude.

I am not as against it as Raikkonen, but I would rather do other things with our transfers.

that's a good point about the beast being ahead in preference, i never thought of it that way, but with that being said, i still think guti will play a lot

Oh, and remember...

I'd be willing to bet money that a year from now we will be fighting with Roman Abramovich for the signing of ............................................... Adriano.

;)

i have no doubts about this either...imagine all the brazilians we could have though : ronaldo, the beast, roberto carlos, robinho, and adriano...plus luxe :chew:

yt23w, the transfer market closes at august 31

i agree with you about $, we supposedly had over 100 million euros to spend, so who cares how much each transfer is, our finances are in outstanding shape

mega montana

30-07-2005, 05:02:AM

JFG_Lancer

30-07-2005, 05:06:AM

At last we got Robinho!!!

R.9

30-07-2005, 05:07:AM

Now with Baptista and Robinho deal complete it made my week. :rockman: :rockman: :rockman:

mega montana

30-07-2005, 05:10:AM

owen must be gone after this

if we could swap him for a defender, then this will be an outstanding offseason!

hala madrid

Raikkonen

30-07-2005, 05:12:AM

RUSI

30-07-2005, 05:16:AM

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I can't believe it !!!

:rockman: :rockman: :rockman:

RUSI

30-07-2005, 05:19:AM

August 25 is 3 days before my birthday !!!

What a Great Birthday Present it will be

I can't believe it

So late at Night and we get this great news

http://www.realmadrid.com/articulo/robinho_real_tiene_fecha_24535.htm

I am estatic :o :o :o

I just hope a hacker didn't hack in to our website just to fool us again :crazyboy:

Raikkonen

30-07-2005, 05:20:AM

I can't believe it !!!

honestly, i can't believe it yet... none of the brazilian newspaper, neither Marca or AS have these news on their webpages. and it's like 6am in Madrid now, how in hell did they release an statement like that so early in the morning :confused: ?

bye, Michael. you were great :(. now let's trade him for Carvalho (H)

R.9

30-07-2005, 05:23:AM

mega montana

30-07-2005, 05:24:AM

honestly, i can't believe it yet... none of the brazilian newspaper, neither Marca or AS have these news on their webpages. and it's like 6am in Madrid now, how in hell did they release an statement like that so early in the morning :confused: ?

bye, Michael. you were great :(. now let's trade him for Carvalho (H)

someone slap me, i think i am dreaming :)

interesting that no other outlet had any info, my guess is that real madrid just completed the deal and released just enough info on their site to satisfy the fans, keep in mind no $$ was mentioned, just the length of the deal and when he would be here!!!

i am so fu.cking pumped right now!!!

sorry to see michael owen go (there's no doubt about this now), but welcome robinho!!!

RUSI

30-07-2005, 05:27:AM

Holy Sh*t, I can't believe it !

I guess Real Madrid released it so all Madridistas could wake up to this great news. I am sure it is a marketing ploy by Florentino :p

I feel bad for Michael Owen :(

I guess we could use him as bait to get a defender though.

Carvalho or Ferdinand come to mind if we don't get Sergio Ramos. :ewan:

There is no way I am going to get sleep tonight, it's 12:47 am where I am

Raikkonen

30-07-2005, 05:28:AM

maybe someone hacked Real Madrid website :( :( (that's pesimistic :p)

i'm listening to Cadena SER now, but the first 'live' program of the day starts in 15 minutes.

RMking

30-07-2005, 05:29:AM

I know what you mean that now other outlets have the news, but I agree, that it looks that Real just announced it, it will be in the morning headlines soon.

R.9

30-07-2005, 05:31:AM

It really is bad news for Owen i like him but with Robinho now he will not have it easy.The idea to use him to get a defender is really not bad.

RMking

30-07-2005, 05:33:AM

More info on the Robinho deal...

With video highlights...

Looks like they were planning for a good morning news for all Real fans.

http://www.realmadrid.com/articulo/robinho_real_tiene_fecha_24535.htm

RUSI

30-07-2005, 05:40:AM

Ronaldo, Raul, Robinho, Owen, Baptista, Zidane, Beckham, Guti, Figo.

All for 5 positions.

Who will Go, Who will Stay ?

Who will Start, Who will Sit ?

Oh my God.

RUSI

30-07-2005, 05:44:AM

Marca's Cover -

http://www.marca.com/primeras/05/07/g0730.jpg

Nothing about Robinho...

I am listening to Cadena Ser and they haven't mentioned anything yet

Raikkonen

30-07-2005, 05:45:AM

Ronaldo, Raul, Robinho, Owen, Baptista, Zidane, Beckham, Guti, Figo.

All for 5 positions.

Luxa said he wanted two players for each position, and my bet is that Owen and Figo will leave.

about the lineup, i have no idea :fool:

Cadena SER has confirmed the signing of Robinho!!!!

RUSI

30-07-2005, 05:45:AM

Cadena SER JUST ANNOUNCED IT

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

Can I Get a HELLLLLLLLLLL YEAH !!!???

Raikkonen

30-07-2005, 05:54:AM

now i'm wondering... why August 25th? why not now? will Robinho play another match for Santos or something like that? :confused:

mega montana

30-07-2005, 05:55:AM

Cadena SER JUST ANNOUNCED IT

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

Can I Get a HELLLLLLLLLLL YEAH !!!???

helllllllllllll yea!!!!!!!!!!!

can i get hala madrid??? :rockman: :rockman:

i dont know if i can sleep tonight!

RUSI

30-07-2005, 05:56:AM

Yeah, I guess so ...

They play Corinthians this Sunday so I guess the pressure finally got to Teixiera

RUSI

30-07-2005, 06:02:AM

Now I realize why Florentino wanted to sell Samuel.

He opened up the other Non-EU spot so we could get both Robinho and Julio Baptista.

Though I don't agree with it 100%, it sure will bring some exciting football. :ewan:

HALA MADRID

Raikkonen

30-07-2005, 06:10:AM

mega montana

30-07-2005, 06:10:AM

man what an incredible day to be a real madrid fan, baptista and robinho

i am so happy right now, it's unbelievable

thank you perez, sacchi and butre, job well done guys

mega montana

30-07-2005, 06:12:AM

i really hope Mascherano and Tevez kick Santos' ass :ewan:.

AS and Marca haven't announce the signing yet. lazy bastards. they can write BS very quickly, but when we finally have good news, they don't say a thing. :chew:

haha, i thought the same thing

what's that say about the writers of AS and marca's journalistic skills? :hump:

Seven8

30-07-2005, 06:39:AM

Guys generally speaking - a lot here are moaning about "no"-spanish sinings for RM

I can understand that, as every "local" lad wants his team to be filled with homegrown players.
But Casillas, Helguera, Raul is in the starting line up, - R.Carlos. Ronaldo, Baptista will all become spanish... so whats the big deal there ?

there aren't many teams who have more homegworn players in their line up!
(Chelski: Terry, Lampard / ManUtd: G.Neville, Rio "gleedy-c*nt", Scholes, Rooney)

---

What's the problem with Baptista now ?
He can play in a lot of positions/very versatile, is young, talented, la liga proven, and will be spanish in 1 year. And the price could be much worse!

another Ro...
Nice, it will get us squad depth and rotation possibilities.

STILL TO BUY a good CB please + keep Owen!

no offense but about most of you who put Raul in every line up - dream on, he'll be a lot on the bench

CAM/ST: Baptista, Zidane, Guti, Raul, Ronaldo, Owen, Robinho

7 players for 3 positions / even if Guti leaves it's still 2 for each...which is good!

IMO it's a wise move to sign up those new ones on a long term - after this Season Zidane retires rigth (or not?)
I just hope they told everybody not to start every game

RUSI

30-07-2005, 07:44:AM

Finally,

It's on MARCA

http://www.marca.es/edicion/noticia/0,2458,658959,00.html

Lux : "Baptista is a very important transfer"
http://www.marca.com/edicion/noticia/0,2458,658957,00.html

syaz_wan03

30-07-2005, 07:59:AM

btw: carvalho...?? are you talking abt ricardo carvalho from Chelsea..?? If yes... i dun think mourinho will sell it to us since Carvalho is one of his 'golden son' since he played from Porto

correct me if i'm wrong :)

adizlaja

30-07-2005, 08:12:AM

Haha, Madrid just bought 2 forwards and sold one of their best defenders.

Welcome to another ****ty season!

yt23w

30-07-2005, 08:35:AM

Haha, Madrid just bought 2 forwards and sold one of their best defenders.
Welcome to another ****ty season!

yeah i agree! I know this is GREAT news!! :) :hump: :lui: but we have a ****ey Defense!!! :nape: and 'DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS' if im not mistaken!! The Beast was a better signing that Ballack but not our Number 1 Priority!. Untill we sign Rio, Ramos, Andrade or Whoever i wont be happy.

(unless Perez, Sachhi and Luxa plan on outscoring the opposition every game. :boohoo: )

Luxa said he wanted two players for each position, and my bet is that Owen and Figo will leave.

how will selling figo and Owen help? to the field:

---iker--
--lopez--

-salg.---helg.----pavon----r.c
-diogo--?????----?????----R.Bravo(?!?!)

-Grav-
-P.G-

-Becks------------Figo--
-Juanfran---------????(Guti)

----Zidane-----
-----Beast-----

Ronaldo-----Raul---
Owen------Robinho-

2 CB's + 1 LB + 1 LM

Drvar

30-07-2005, 09:39:AM

We will play the 2-5-3 formation this year obviusly ;). I have big hopes for Luxa, and its useless to predict how our season will go, when we havent played a competitive match yet. Its gonna be an interesting year, no doubt.

Andrejs

30-07-2005, 09:58:AM

Although your defence "sucks" at the moment, I think signing Baptista was a good thing for you (though 24 mill is too much, in my opinion). Unlike Robinho, Baptista has already proven himself in La Liga and I think his better then Robinho anyway. Zidane and Raul should be benched now and don't give me that Raul=Real bull****.

I think with this line-up you'll be fine, sadly:

Gravesen
Beckham----------Guti
Baptista
Owen----------Ronaldo

Baptista was a good signing, I was hoping to see him with Man United some day, but oh well...But if you're going to sign Robinho for 50 mill this summer, then Real is being even more idiotic, then I thought...

panxoman

30-07-2005, 10:18:AM

Baptista is a good signing.

oussimoes

30-07-2005, 11:35:AM

well done perez he is so great first he sold SAMuel, he can even defend he is so worst en second he get's the beast en the little prince ronbinho, i was on holiday now i came back and i see this wow thank you perez you are so smart

Socrates

30-07-2005, 11:36:AM

Finally we got him, and this time its offical :rockman:

But anyways, do you guys really think Robinho will be perfered over Owen???I dont Luxe will be so foolish because Robinho has a massive amout of potential but i wouldnt start him right away, he should be starting as a bench player until he is used to the style of football here or he has proven to be better than either Ronaldo or Owen.

mhflierman

30-07-2005, 11:41:AM

Dutch press rumours you guys are still interested in signing AZ's Denny Landzaat. According to AZ's president he should cost around €11m, because "Real Madrid are a real topclub".

RUSI

30-07-2005, 02:58:PM

Can you tell me a bit more about this AZ guy ?

_______________________________________

http://www.santosfc.com.br/texto.php?cod=3650

Who understands Portuguese ?

I think this talks about the transfer. :)

________________________________________

Samuel will finalise his deal on Monday.

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=295413&lid=2&cpid=21&title=Samuel+to+seal+Inter+switch&channel=football_home

"Inter are set to pay €16 million over four instalments for the Argentine. "

Moratti1

30-07-2005, 03:08:PM

jani

30-07-2005, 03:09:PM

€16m is a steal. Bloody bastards

RUSI

30-07-2005, 03:10:PM

That's stupid, now he can't play in the first leg... What the frigg???

I am pretty sure they can list him still.

Moratti1

30-07-2005, 03:11:PM

I am pretty sure they can list him still.

Yea? I thought the deadline was Sunday?? Am I wrong anybody?? Not that anyone cares, lol, this is the Real Madrid thread, lol.

RUSI

30-07-2005, 03:14:PM

Yeah, It is. But I think you can list a player aslong as the other team conscents to it.

I think I've heard that somewhere.

It could still be completed though this weekend

Moratti1

30-07-2005, 03:18:PM

Yeah, It is. But I think you can list a player aslong as the other team conscents to it.

I think I've heard that somewhere.

It could still be completed though this weekend

Nothing on the figo deal I guess?? IF we do get him I would like to see him for the second leg...

mannyb28

30-07-2005, 03:19:PM

I just hope Robinho doesnt flop (6)

RUSI

30-07-2005, 03:27:PM

I think the Santos site said we paid $50 million, but I can't understand if it says that they only get 60% of that...

If anyone understands Portuguese, will you translate it for me? Please

Crusad3r

30-07-2005, 03:32:PM

IN:

Robinho (21)
Baptista (23)
Diogo (22)
Pablo Garcia (28)

OUT:

Samuel (27)
Solari (29)

MAYBE OUT?

Figo (32) leaving for sure
Owen (25)
Guti (29)

Knowing we will play 4-4-2 we will have Gravesen and Beckham for sure we will have Zidane, Raul, Guti, Owen, Baptista, Robinho and Ronaldo fighting for 4 spots. 7 players for 4 spots, not bad for us knowing Zidane will be benched since he cant play all the matches.

WilliamFAlmeida

30-07-2005, 03:32:PM

I think we REALLY need a CB.
If we do get at least ONE....
then we have a deep enough squad to win the treble.

Think of Guti-Owen-Robinho playing cup games, Zidane, Ronald0-Raul playing CL matches, and Baptista, Diogo, Garcia playing in la Liga matches...

Im not trying to set that as concrete, but rotation on a long season is key to success. We do STILL need a CB or 2...so that should be a priority now

RUSI

30-07-2005, 03:35:PM

It is the priority now.

I think we'll start the hunt on Monday.

William, Can you plaease translate this - http://www.santosfc.com.br/texto.php?cod=3650

WilliamFAlmeida

30-07-2005, 03:38:PM

Santos got 60% and Robinho split, dealt his 40% to Madrid.

DUH! I cant believe no one thought of that before!!

If MAdrid just payed the full 50m they couldve negotiated privately with Robinho how much of the 40% he got!!

I CANT BELIEVE WE DIDNT THINK OF THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WilliamFAlmeida

30-07-2005, 03:40:PM

dont you read spanish? its the same thing ;) I read AS....ok maybe I dont that well :boohoo:

justhammy

30-07-2005, 03:41:PM

OMG!! This is just sooo damn GREAT!!! Two SUPERPLAYERS in 2 days, and im a big fan of Robinho so this just cant get better...BUT Owen is one of my favourite players in the world...i HATE it to see him on the bench...i became a HARDCORE England fan just for Owen, because its soo great to see him work and his play just makes me happy...his speed is soo great!

About Samuel...he played a very bad first half of the season but was very good in the second-half...if perez can get Rio or Ramos then ill be very happy...but if he doesnt then its gonna be hard...still when i watched the last games of real i saw some great potential in the young defenders...

Robinho and Baptista shouldnt play immediatly...they must adapt to the team first(especially robinho cus he must adapt to the league too)...i believe that its gonna be alright with those 2!

RUSI

30-07-2005, 03:43:PM

Damn, I didn't see they had that on as :$

:ewan:

WilliamFAlmeida

30-07-2005, 03:45:PM

Seriously though.......Why DIDNT anyone think of just giving santos their bloody 50m and then Robinho's share would then be negotiated on his contract- meaning he is prolly gonna give his 40% RIGHT BACK to Madrid, and thus Madrid will have paid STILL only 30M. Which still is a lot, but he is going to become the world's greatest player in a few years time. Thats what I say.

RUSI

30-07-2005, 03:49:PM

I thought it had been mentioned but since it was a release clause Santo would have recieved the entire $50 million.

We'll have to wait til Raikkonen comes here, he knows more about this transfer than I do, plus he understands Portuguese

R.9

30-07-2005, 03:50:PM

I am sure that Robinho will adapt fastly to the league. I can wait to see him in action in a Madrid shirt. :rockman:

WilliamFAlmeida

30-07-2005, 03:51:PM

I read it in portuguese (from Brasil you know ;) ) and it said the 40% will be resolved between the player and the club. I doubt Madrid will give any of it to Robinho, since he said he didnt need the money.

WilliamFAlmeida

30-07-2005, 03:53:PM

Im hoping for the RO's to do the quadruple.
The treble + WC06

R.9

30-07-2005, 03:55:PM

It would be nice to see Ronaldo and Robinho in attack that will be one speedy attack.

newbie original

30-07-2005, 04:58:PM

Depth is needed at the Bernabeau. Baptista and Robinho will do that for ya. Considering the fact that next year is a World Cup year, the club should loan Owen out to an English club. That will do two things: FIRST give him an opportunity to solidify (since SVEN has said he WILL ONLY SELECT STARTERS) his starting job in the English starting 11 and SECOND, he will be a tremendous backup for a potential flop job.

Let' s face it Baptista and Robinho will be moving to a new club. I have no doubt that Baptista will not find La Liga any more difficult than he did last year but will take some time to adjust to his new team. It is a given that if he spends his next 2 seasons at Real, he won' t be getting 38 goals as he did during his first two. It is to be seen whether or not he will be happy with this fact.

Then there' s Robinho whom I seriously doubt. I mean I cannot imagine that so much money was spent on and so much fuss was made about a guy who is yet to prove himself in Europe. He has a lot of impressing to do. I think it will take him a long time ...maybe 2 years, maybe three....to adjust to La Liga. Owen has proven himself WHEN PLAYED! He shouldn' t be left on the bench for that!

Raikkonen

30-07-2005, 05:03:PM

ok.

based in last season performances, and with Owen leaving the club almost for sure, our lineup should be:

4-1-2-1-2 (the "diamond")
Casillas
Helguera ???
Salgado R. Carlos
Gravesen
Beckham Guti
Baptista
Ronaldo Robinho

4-4-2 (a little more defensive)
Casillas
Helguera ???
Salgado R. Carlos
Gravesen Guti
Beckham Baptista
Robinho
Ronaldo

the attacks would be very quickly (Y) w/o Figo and Zidane. :rolleyes:

Butragueño confirmed the signings of Baptista and Robinho, so it wasn't a prank like i though :fool:

Soldado, De La Red, Arbeloa and Codina (3rd GK) will go with the first team to the pre-season in Austria (http://www.as.com/articulo.html?xref=20050730dasdasftb 16&anchor=dasftb&type=Tes&d date=20050730)

well, if Soldado was called, i guess it's bye-bye Owen. no Juanfran, btw. :nape:

RUSI, Santos also said in that statement that Robinho could play tomorrow vs Corinthians :confused: Mascherano, please, be kind with him :(

pullstones_jr

30-07-2005, 05:06:PM

WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO
:lui: :lui: :lui: :lui:
ROBINHO!!!

R.9

30-07-2005, 05:08:PM

They said the Santos will made him play to say bye to the the Santos fans.

Raikkonen

30-07-2005, 05:13:PM

i'm wondering:

Baptista #10 and Robinho #8?

Baptista #8 and Robinho #10?

Baptista #10 and Robinho #11? :(

RUSI

30-07-2005, 05:16:PM

Baptista #8 and Robinho #10

I hope.

I will be mad is La Bestia gets # 10

R.9

30-07-2005, 05:18:PM

I prefer to give Zizou #10 for his last year.

SlowSilver

30-07-2005, 05:22:PM

but he is going to become the world's greatest player in a few years time. Thats what I say.

No he's not.

Raikkonen

30-07-2005, 05:25:PM

Baptista #8 and Robinho #10

I hope.

I will be mad is La Bestia gets # 10

the #10 to Robinho will put even more pressure on him, but i agree, no #10 for Baptista :nape:

well, we'll figure it out this monday, when Baptista will be presented as a Real Madrid player. if we don't sell Figo before tomorrow, Baptista won't get the #10.

Robinho will be presented on the 25th, so we'll have time to get rid of Figo and/or Owen (6)

jani

30-07-2005, 05:33:PM

Im pretty sure Robinho will get #20

WilliamFAlmeida

30-07-2005, 05:40:PM

No he's not.

It was easy to predict in Brasil that R9 and R10 were going to be the best players in the world before they even got to europe. If all the Ro's (3) and Pele say he's gonna be the best, then unless something strange happens he will be the best. I have no doubt about it.

mega montana

30-07-2005, 05:50:PM

the only bad thing about this deal is that robinho wont get that much time to train with his new teammates before the season starts

Raikkonen

30-07-2005, 05:59:PM

Lance says Robinho will play 5 more games with Santos :confused:

03/08: Internacional (away)
07/08: Paraná (away)
11/08: Brasiliense (home)
14/08: Botafogo (away)
21/08: Figueirense (home)

he won't play tomorrow vs Corinthians :jap:

datboy

30-07-2005, 06:04:PM

OMG! I really cant believe this!

i go away for 1 day and get back to this:

Julio Baptista SIGNED! :rockman:
Robinho SIGNED! :rockman: (finally we get and end to the biggest football soap of 2005)

2 AMAZING players!!

and can you guys believe the squad we have now! all we need is a good CB and were set! wonder what formation Luxa will use tho?? i guess he will rotate the team alot.

cant wait until LA LIGA starts!!! Barca look out!!!!!!!!!! :lui:

i love how we sign all these young players! !!!Diogo, Robinho, Baptista!!!

and for those who watched Madrid-Thailand match. Diego Lopez was great! im not worried at all if Iker gets injured. he is perfect back-up. i also think Arbeloa made one hell of a match. very stable as CB.

SlowSilver

30-07-2005, 06:06:PM

It was easy to predict in Brasil that R9 and R10 were going to be the best players in the world before they even got to europe. If all the Ro's (3) and Pele say he's gonna be the best, then unless something strange happens he will be the best. I have no doubt about it.

Roninho doesn't have half the talent Ronaldo had when he was getting discovered, you can't compare the 2. I'm not saying Robinho was a crap signing, but from what I've seen, he will never be the best player in the world. The amount of pressure you people put on him "he will be the greatest in the world".. :rolleyes: It wouldn't suprise me if he fails at Madrid, but of course, you would hype him up . . .

Raikkonen

30-07-2005, 06:14:PM

Back to trainings

http://www.marca.com/fotos_cierre/robinho/robinho9.jpghttp://www.marca.com/fotos_cierre/robinho/robinho7.jpg
http://www.marca.com/fotos_cierre/robinho/robinho5.jpghttp://www.marca.com/fotos_cierre/robinho/robinho8.jpg
http://www.marca.com/fotos_cierre/robinho/robinho6.jpghttp://www.marca.com/fotos_cierre/robinho/robinho.jpg

he looks so happy :lui:

datboy

30-07-2005, 06:17:PM

yeah he looks really happy! :)
it's only good that he plays those 5 matches for Santos, to get his form up again in time for La Liga start. :rockman:

becksfranksteve

30-07-2005, 06:22:PM

YEAH YEAH YEAH we have all the forwards in the world !!!!! :lui: :lui: :lui: :lui:

But i really don't want to see owen go. i think loaning him out would be a good idea but if we dont luxe should play with the same lineup that worked at the end of last season until someone starts to dissapoint

Hamilton

30-07-2005, 06:50:PM

not sure why everyone's so excited that real madrid has signed so much offensive talent when what they really needed was more defensive depth. Honestly right now the back line is not adequate in my opinion and if just one defender gets injured Madrid has to resort to the terrible bench defenders (Arbeloa? Mejia? Pavon?) which will get torn apart just like last seasons and the seasons before...

Offensively just signing one good attacking player was enough, but two great attackers and still no defender? Sounds like the R.Madrid chairman still hasn't learned that you need a balanced team to compete in futbol, but there's still weeks left we'll see what happens :P

Sevillista

30-07-2005, 06:52:PM

Anybody know yet how much Real is losing? And don't they have too many foreigners now?

Vedran-10

30-07-2005, 06:54:PM

well, we'll figure it out this monday, when Baptista will be presented as a Real Madrid player. if we don't sell Figo before tomorrow, Baptista won't get the #10.
)

Baptista can get the 10 even if Figo isn't sold. When Larsson signed with us, Saviola was no.7. Henke was presented and registered with the number 17 and he took no.7 after Saviola left for Monaco. But I think they'll let Robinho choose what number he wants. Wearing the ten can be an inspiration as much as it can be a burden.

Nice signings. I knew something like this would happen. It was too good to be true. Congrats.

mega montana

30-07-2005, 07:07:PM

Anybody know yet how much Real is losing? And don't they have too many foreigners now?

the foreigners are :

robinho
ronaldo (will get passport in early 06 i think)
baptista (also will get passport early next year)
samuel is non-eu as well but he will sign for inter on monday
diogo and garcia have european passports

edit:

bbc says arsenal and man united are the frontrunners for owen

owen for rio would be nice (6)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4730405.stm

becksfranksteve

30-07-2005, 07:18:PM

i just watched the robinho video on realmadrid.com this guy is gonna get us sooo many free kicks !

WilliamFAlmeida

30-07-2005, 07:21:PM

Roninho doesn't have half the talent Ronaldo had when he was getting discovered, you can't compare the 2. I'm not saying Robinho was a crap signing, but from what I've seen, he will never be the best player in the world. The amount of pressure you people put on him "he will be the greatest in the world".. :rolleyes: It wouldn't suprise me if he fails at Madrid, but of course, you would hype him up . . .

When R9 was 20 he won player of the year, and was playing for PSV. But His talent was discovered early on, at the age of 17. Parreira saw in him to be the best. PArreira says same about Robinho, he has the same potential- to be the best. Im not hyping him up, this is a natural occurence in Brasil - to produce the best. We know when he have the best. Granted I need to see Robinho's first season, but so do you. For me to consider me "hyping up" a player I would need to say something to the effect of "man this kid is gonna better than Pele!! He'll win 4 world cups, and score over 100 gols for Brasil!!"

Im not saying that at all. Im just saying, like was the case with Ronaldinho- you can tell he's gonna be the best if he's placed in the right environment and given the right role. Just like R10 had when he joined Barca. I dont hype up players unless I say they are going to be the next/better Pele. Im just saying what is now common in Brasil: World's best player.

I know this all sounds cocky, but Im trying to be as real as I can. I know what it takes to be the best, Ive watched alot in the past few years to see how they rank em. R10 in PSG was sometimes brilliant, but never really a solid asset. He went to Barca, things changed now he's the best. Same will happen to Robinho is is 1. younger, and 2. already going to compete at a higher level.

In 4 years we'l have this conversation again Im sure.

By then Madrid will have
-----Kaka----
Robinho-----Adriano

lineup :p
jk

SlowSilver

30-07-2005, 07:21:PM

owen for rio would be nice (6)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4730405.stm

Haha, what a load of crap. :nape: Why would Man Utd sell one of the best defenders in the world for Michael Owen? Do they even need another striker? No, it's a load of bollocks. But yeah it would be nice, but unfortunately, it's never gonna happen.

mega montana

30-07-2005, 07:23:PM

Haha, what a load of crap. :nape: Why would Man Utd sell one of the best defenders in the world for Michael Owen? Do they even need another striker? No, it's a load of bollocks. But yeah it would be nice, but unfortunately, it's never gonna happen.
that was just my opinion, it wasnt in the article, hence the (6)

also, i have no doubts robinho will flourish under luxemborgo, he'll get the most out of him

WilliamFAlmeida

30-07-2005, 07:24:PM

BTW I dont think Owen's position is threatened with the signing of Baptista. I SERIOUSLY DOUBT he will EVER play as a starting striker. Quote me on that.

pullstones_jr

30-07-2005, 07:53:PM

Seriously though, i can't see our attack having more potency than the roni\raul\owen combo like at the end of the season....let baptista and robinho work for their positions in the first half of the season;as good as robinho could get, owen has been there already and is doing a good job alongside ronie right now, with raul and zizou behind them. The first few games are going to be interesting to see :p ...who's first? Cadiz?
Boy i sure as hell wouldnt want to be a cadiz defender(or goalkeeper forr that matter right now! :)

I don't really like the fact that we're possibly gonna doghouse owen :kader: , guti :nape: and/ or figo :kader: , but i don't think anyone,ANYONE is going to play more attractive football this year than MADRID :jambo:

Peace
Hala Madrid