Brazilian National team thread [Archive]

emmer

31-05-2005, 10:02:PM

Ronaldo is an arsehole... but I'm guessing it's not only him...
There was a time when being called up for a national team was about pride... not now I guess... Ronaldo wants to rest AND play against Argie and Paraguay... He thinks he's irreplaceable but imho he hasn't been playing well for Brazil (I don't know about Madrid)
It'll be nice to see Grafite against the argies... hope he keeps it to the field this time (and so do the argies)
i am with ronaldo on this.

i think there's still pride involved when being called for the nt.

there was a time when the schedule was not so ****ed up. there was a time when confederations cup didn't exist. the pride is related to the brazilian people thoughts, not to cbf orders. now if you ask people how important is the confederations cup for them, i guess most will say that is useless. but people know the importance of the qualifiying matches, therefore they want ronaldo and other star players to play them.

anyway, it's nice to see a player opposing the cbf.

WilliamFAlmeida

03-06-2005, 09:13:AM

The news on Brasil is that on Sunday Parreira will play Robinho and Adriano up front. I think Oliveira is better than Robinho but, theyre grooming Robinho to be an amazing star, so he needs the practice.

Adriano7

03-06-2005, 11:24:AM

When is the games on ? i heard 'bravo' here in england may be showing all of brazil's qualifiers.

WilliamFAlmeida

03-06-2005, 06:02:PM

Brasil play paraguay at 21:00 Uk time and 4pm ET US.

Kibe Kru

03-06-2005, 06:25:PM

i am with ronaldo on this.

i think there's still pride involved when being called for the nt.

there was a time when the schedule was not so ****ed up. there was a time when confederations cup didn't exist. the pride is related to the brazilian people thoughts, not to cbf orders. now if you ask people how important is the confederations cup for them, i guess most will say that is useless. but people know the importance of the qualifiying matches, therefore they want ronaldo and other star players to play them.

anyway, it's nice to see a player opposing the cbf.

Why only Ronaldo bitches about wanting to rest? I understand it's a worthless tournament and everything but you either want to play for your NT or you don't... I hate it when people think they're too good for something, just like Daniele Hipolito's going AWOL on the gymnastics team... There are players who played just as much as Ronaldo and still don't complain... Ronaldinho is bigger than Ronaldo atm, but he still wants to play in the confed cup...
I'd like to take only the important classes (for me, which would be only english and computing) and exams but guess what if I miss the damn history exam "because I'm tired", I fail... If someone skips work because he "wouldn't be important on that day", he's fired...

The CBF sucks, but I fail to see how wanting not to play for the nt in a competition but still wanting to play for another is going to help... a way to get them out would do like the tennis players did at the davis cup but in the World cup... chances of it happening? 0...

Lean

03-06-2005, 07:51:PM

I agree. You're a player, not the coach. You're not supposed to chose the games you want to play and tell your coach about it. He either fields you or not. You cant field yourself when you feel like it. If he needs a break, he needs a break. If he doesnt feel like playing at the Confederations Cup, then how he's up for it for the Qualifiers? Didnt he need a break?

emmer

03-06-2005, 09:00:PM

Why only Ronaldo bitches about wanting to rest? I understand it's a worthless tournament and everything but you either want to play for your NT or you don't... I hate it when people think they're too good for something, just like Daniele Hipolito's going AWOL on the gymnastics team... There are players who played just as much as Ronaldo and still don't complain... Ronaldinho is bigger than Ronaldo atm, but he still wants to play in the confed cup...
I'd like to take only the important classes (for me, which would be only english and computing) and exams but guess what if I miss the damn history exam "because I'm tired", I fail... If someone skips work because he "wouldn't be important on that day", he's fired...

The CBF sucks, but I fail to see how wanting not to play for the nt in a competition but still wanting to play for another is going to help... a way to get them out would do like the tennis players did at the davis cup but in the World cup... chances of it happening? 0...
well, you changed your argument. first was the pride thing and i disagree. now it's the obligation or something like that, and i disagree as well. but it's ok, i like to discuss with you.

i guess ronaldo is the only one to bitch about that because he has the guts to do it. i'm sure he's not the only one who does not want to play the tournament. i couldn't say for sure that ronaldinho and others do want to play the confederations cup, really. anyway, why should ronaldo accept cbf decisions just because other players who are playing better than him don't do it?

i don't think your comparison with the classes and the job is good enough because we're talking about ronaldo and cbf (parreira is so submissive to cbf i'm not considering him). considering ronaldo's condition (he's highly ranked and guaranteed on the squad), he can do what he did. a student or a employee can't do the same, except if the employee is so good he can do almost anything with no fear -- something like what happens to ronaldo.

but that's not the question exactly, because i'd support any player -- good or bad -- in the same situation. i hate cris, but i'd applause him if he did it.

not wanting to play for the nt in a competition but still wanting to play for another might not help in anything at all, but it won't make things worse as well! so, why be against it?

we know cbf is crap but when a player argues with it, we complain? only because "it's not going to help?" it sounds so accommodating, for god's sake. we should congratulate him, we should comemorate it. that's only my opinion, of course.

grunger, your question is simple -- he needs a break, but not immediately. he's not tired right now. but he needs a break to keep himself physically decent. it's important, stupid cbf should realize that, but all they think is $$$$. the fatigue was one of the main reasons argentina and france failed on the last world cup.

Kibe Kru

03-06-2005, 11:12:PM

well, you changed your argument. first was the pride thing and i disagree. now it's the obligation or something like that, and i disagree as well. but it's ok, i like to discuss with you.

i guess ronaldo is the only one to bitch about that because he has the guts to do it. I'm sure he's not the only one who does not want to play the tournament. i couldn't say for sure that ronaldinho and others do want to play the confederations cup, really. anyway, why should ronaldo accept cbf decisions just because other players who are playing better than him don't do it?

i don't think your comparison with the classes and the job is good enough because we're talking about ronaldo and cbf (parreira is so submissive to cbf I'm not considering him). considering ronaldo's condition (he's highly ranked and guaranteed on the squad), he can do what he did. a student or a employee can't do the same, except if the employee is so good he can do almost anything with no fear -- something like what happens to ronaldo.

but that's not the question exactly, because I'd support any player -- good or bad -- in the same situation. i hate Cris, but I'd applause him if he did it.

not wanting to play for the NT in a competition but still wanting to play for another might not help in anything at all, but it won't make things worse as well! so, why be against it?

we know cbf is crap but when a player argues with it, we complain? only because "it's not going to help?" it sounds so accommodating, for god's sake. we should congratulate him, we should commemorate it. that's only my opinion, of course.

The pride argument still stands... when your country needs you it means you're the best from that country (or one of the best available), rejecting it is like saying "I don't care", or like he said "I have nothing to prove to anyone", which is questionable since his last games have been poor for the NT...

I fail to see why the comparison can't be made... I know, I'm slow, but giving footballers superstar status so that they don't have to follow rules "common people" have to, then it'll be a chaos... Why doesn't Ronaldo tell Luxemburgo he needs to have a rest? because Madrid can buy another superstar striker and he'll be on the bench? he takes his place on the NT as granted, and Parreira made things worse when Ronaldo was being criticized as being fat and he kept playing him when Ronaldo was playing poorly... Ronaldo should NOT have a guaranteed place on the NT... if only to avoid this kind of situation...

It's not a CBF decision to play in the confed cup, but it may be their "fault" we're taking a full strength side... but why would they? disqualification from the confed cup in the early rounds, even though it means nothing, have cost Leao's place as the NT coach...

I don't blame Ronaldo for not wanting to play, pride is nothing nowadays and he isn't the only one.. I blame his refusal to play confed yet disposition to play quals... if he wants to take action against CBF (which I doubt was his reason for not wanting to play confed), retire from the national squad... or do you think Nastas would have stepped down had Guga retired from Costa do Sauipe yet played in Roland Garros and the Davis?

If action against CBF was intended, I'd support Ronaldo, Cris, Roque Junior and whoever, as long as they didn't want to play for the NT instead of not wanting to play confed cup... but I highly doubt the fact that Ronaldo wanted to take a shot at the CBF... When, and if, it happens I'll congratulate him... at the time I only think he's a lazy bastard

ronnifan9

04-06-2005, 05:09:AM

Now that Robinho is pretty much packing his bags for Madrid, who is the next "big thing" in Brazilian soccer?

- Marcelinho (Gremio)
- Ze Carlos (Fluminense)
- P. Saad (Esp. Club Victoria)
- Jo (Corinthians)
- Dagoberto (Paranaense)
- Gil (Corinthians)
- Fred (Cruzeiro)
- Gilmar (Esp. Club Victoria)
- Obina (Esp. Club Victoria)
- Jean (Flamengo)
- Bala (Fluminense)
- Maicon (Fluminense)
- Tiago Prado (Gremio)
- Diego (Internacional)
- Mauriqui (Vasco da Gama)

... Marcelinho (Gremio) & Gil (Corinthians) stand out.

NGAFOOTBALLKING

04-06-2005, 05:21:AM

P. Saad saw this guy play once all i have to say is one word.......NEXT GREAT!!!

MaSsiVe

04-06-2005, 05:29:AM

P. Saad saw this guy play once all i have to say is one word.......NEXT GREAT!!!

:jambo:

That makes it two words then.

Anyone can tell me something about Renato from Atletico Mineiro?
Porto are rumoured to be interested in him.

Thanks in advance ;)

SB9Dragon

04-06-2005, 05:36:AM

BRAZIL RELEASE ADRIANO FOR CUP 1ST LEG
Wednesday, 01 June 2005 02:00:01
MILAN - Through its official website CBFNEWS, the Brazilian FA has announced that Adriano will be available to Inter for the Coppa Italia TIM final first leg against Roma at the Stadio Olimpico on 12 June. Called up to the Brazil squad for the Confederations Cup in Germany from 15 to 19 June, the player has been given permission to arrive at the Brazil retreat in Leverkusen on 13 June.

On joining up with his teammates yesterday afternoon for training toward the World Cup qualifiers against Paraguay (4 June) and Argentina (8 June), Adriano said he wanted to speak to national team coach Carlos Alberto Parreira to find a solution that would satisfy both Inter and Brazil.

==============================================

Ok, so he'll be available for the first leg on June 12th, but not for the 2nd leg. I guess it's a fair comprimise in terms of he gets to play for both teams, but in a ways it's not. The Confederations Cup is a pointless tournament while this Coppa Italia is serious business for the club. Heck it's the most important matches this football season and now he'll miss the 2nd leg. Hopefully he bags a hat trick in the first easing things for the 2nd.

SB9Dragon

04-06-2005, 05:37:AM

Has the player list for the Cup been released yet? Will Juan be participating?

emmer

04-06-2005, 06:38:AM

The pride argument still stands... when your country needs you it means you're the best from that country (or one of the best available), rejecting it is like saying "I don't care", or like he said "I have nothing to prove to anyone", which is questionable since his last games have been poor for the NT...

I fail to see why the comparison can't be made... I know, I'm slow, but giving footballers superstar status so that they don't have to follow rules "common people" have to, then it'll be a chaos... Why doesn't Ronaldo tell Luxemburgo he needs to have a rest? because Madrid can buy another superstar striker and he'll be on the bench? he takes his place on the NT as granted, and Parreira made things worse when Ronaldo was being criticized as being fat and he kept playing him when Ronaldo was playing poorly... Ronaldo should NOT have a guaranteed place on the NT... if only to avoid this kind of situation...

It's not a CBF decision to play in the confed cup, but it may be their "fault" we're taking a full strength side... but why would they? disqualification from the confed cup in the early rounds, even though it means nothing, have cost Leao's place as the NT coach...

I don't blame Ronaldo for not wanting to play, pride is nothing nowadays and he isn't the only one.. I blame his refusal to play confed yet disposition to play quals... if he wants to take action against CBF (which I doubt was his reason for not wanting to play confed), retire from the national squad... or do you think Nastas would have stepped down had Guga retired from Costa do Sauipe yet played in Roland Garros and the Davis?

If action against CBF was intended, I'd support Ronaldo, Cris, Roque Junior and whoever, as long as they didn't want to play for the NT instead of not wanting to play confed cup... but I highly doubt the fact that Ronaldo wanted to take a shot at the CBF... When, and if, it happens I'll congratulate him... at the time I only think he's a lazy bastard
well, i already gave my opinion about the pride... just to make things clear: he has pride to play for the national team, otherwise he wouldn't want to play the qualifying games. the thing is i don't consider there's pride involved in playing for the globo anniversary or the confed. cup.

ronaldo can't do the same with real madrid because, besides the point you made, he's a real madrid employee and he couldn't take a rest from real madrid to prioritise the nt. it's professionalism. if ronaldo shouldn't have a guaranteed place, then it's parreira's fault, not ronaldo's.

for me, cbf sends a strong squad to the confederation cup because there's money involved. about leão, you gotta think he's not so submissive to the cbf as parreira. the latter, besides being competent, follows the rules of the cbf, that's why cbf likes him so much. i think that's why felipão jumped off after the world cup (he couldn't stand it), and that's why for example tostão always denied invites to work there.

anyway, back the the squad for the confed cup and going a little off-topic, i only wonder why cbf didn't called players such as cafu and roberto carlos.

i know what ronaldo did probably will have no consquences at all. also i know the main reason ronaldo did it was not to take a shot at the cbf. ronaldo asked for that because he really wants to take a rest.

but after the conversation he had with parreira, he implicitly made clear to the press that the decision of taking him off the qualifying games came from cbf. he argued with the cbf in some way, and i think it's good. he even quesitoned américo faria. and any action against the cbf makes me feel good, even if there are other intentions involved. (obviously depending on those intentions my good feeling will be mixed up with other kind of feelings, but that's another story. but since i agree all the players -- not only ronaldo -- need to take some rest, then only good feelings right now.)

FF7

04-06-2005, 07:42:AM

Kibe Kru

05-06-2005, 01:07:AM

Well.. I agree with most of emmer's opinions so I'll stop taking over the thread...

as for who's the next big thing.. well... I have to say Fred.. this guy is awesome (but his hair....) out the other players ronnifan listed, I'd say Dagoberto is the best... also, Gil is not renewing his contract with Corinthians at the end of the year so he'd be available on a free....

SB9Dragon

05-06-2005, 01:35:AM

Maybe Inter will jump and sign him. Hope so, I'd love to have Gil coming in and the likes of Recoba and possibly Vieri going out.

WilliamFAlmeida

06-06-2005, 08:55:AM

http://www.xtratime.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=178

has all the gols. If you havent signed up with this forum I would highly recomend it. I dont want to take their credit away so I posted their forum link.

WHAT A GAME today!!!!
great victory against paraguay today! they are a good team! Robinho made his first big impression on the team and played excellent!
Im very happy with the result! now we must play in the rivalries of all rivalries match against argentina on Wednesday. I hope for the best for Brasil and am hoping for a 2-1 victory!

akdagr81

07-06-2005, 12:23:AM

how about robinho's celebration vs paraguay lol. the very cool double peace sign and the classic shoe shine.

ronnifan9

07-06-2005, 12:24:AM

how about robinho's celebration vs paraguay lol. the very cool double peace sign and the classic shoe shine.
Picture? Video? something... :D

RUSI

07-06-2005, 12:45:AM

What do you Brasilians think you will field against us in two days ? :ewan:

R.9

07-06-2005, 12:49:AM

I want to know if it true that maybe Ronaldo will play againts Argentina. I read that so i can say if it true.

Raikkonen

07-06-2005, 01:09:AM

I want to know if it true that maybe Ronaldo will play againts Argentina. I read that so i can say if it true.

no, he's on vacations :jap:

Kibe Kru

07-06-2005, 01:11:AM

I don't think there'll be any major changes... I'm pretty sure Ronaldo won't play against the Argies...
I think Parreira will go with
Dida
Cafu Roque Lucio R. Carlos
Emerson Ze Roberto
Ronaldinho Kaka
Robinho Adriano

Parreira supposedly said the game against the argies is a luxury friendly, which could mean a lot of things... maybe he's just trying to take the pressure of the team's backs, or maybe he's trying to prepare the supporters for a "we have some more games to be at world cup so it wasn't that important" speech

Raikkonen

07-06-2005, 01:17:AM

Dida
Cafu Roque Lucio R. Carlos
Emerson Ze Roberto
Ronaldinho Kaka
Robinho Adriano

Lucio is suspended (6) he was sent off in the last game

Coon

07-06-2005, 01:22:AM

Is Dede even on the squad? He is getting screwed big time by all the Brazilian coaches.

Kibe Kru

07-06-2005, 03:11:AM

Yeah, Lucio is suspended... dumb me... Juan will play in his place

And no, Dede isn't on the squad... I'm not sure if people even remember him

akdagr81

07-06-2005, 03:37:AM

Picture? Video? something... :D
i just went to the site WilliamFAlmeida posted and found the hilights. good forum with lots of videos.

WilliamFAlmeida

07-06-2005, 04:03:AM

you all should register there, it rules!

Juan should replace Lucio, I hate R junior, but for some reason he's always playing.... :nape:
Dede hasnt been called up for a while....how old is he? Isnt he a left back? He would make a good replacement for R Carlos. But Brasil also has Junior who plays that position. After WC06 if Dede is in his 20s he'll prolly get called up.

Is anyone as exited as I am at the possibility that Cafu will play in 2006?? That gets me excited!!

Kibe Kru

07-06-2005, 06:50:AM

Dede is good, but there's Junior... and there's huge popular pressure for Santos' Leo... so I guess Dede doesn't have much of a chance..

Cafu will probably play WC 06 since there's no other decent right back... Beletti is decent but I guess he feels the pressure of playing for Brazil.. and Cicinho is unproven on an international level...

WilliamFAlmeida

07-06-2005, 04:20:PM

Maradona visits the Brazilian players. Man this guy have done a total 180, and he seems like a totally different person! He's being all nice to us now, and real friendly TO BRAZILIANS!!
Anyway go here for the stories and pictures

http://esportes.terra.com.br/mundial2006/interna/0,,OI545597-EI1764,00.html

WilliamFAlmeida

07-06-2005, 04:36:PM

Brasil squad: Player, club, DOB, Position
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 RENAN
Internacional, BRA 24.01.1985 187 81 GK
2 RAFAEL
Coritiba, BRA 07.09.1985 171 66 DF
3 LEONARDO
Santos, BRA 19.03.1986 186 71 DF
4 GLADSTONE
Cruzeiro, BRA 29.01.1985 183 80 DF
5 ROBERTO
Guarani, BRA 18.01.1985 177 77 MF
6 FABIO SANTOS
Sao Paulo, BRA 16.09.1985 178 73 DF
7 DIEGO
Fluminense, BRA 17.06.1985 185 86 MF
8 RENATO
Atletico Mineiro, BRA 28.04.1985 186 82 MF
9 BOBO
Corinthians, BRA 09.01.1985 184 83 FW
10 EVANDRO
Atletico Paranaense, BRA 23.08.1986 180 66 MF
11 RAFAEL SOBIS
Internacional, BRA 17.06.1985 173 71 FW
12 BRUNO
Sao Paulo, BRA 01.05.1986 190 78 GK
13 JOAO LEONARDO
Guarani, BRA 25.06.1985 181 79 DF
14 EDCARLOS
Sao Paulo, BRA 10.05.1985 182 77 DF
15 FILIPE
Ajax Amsterdam, NED 09.08.1985 181 70 DF
16 AROUCA
Fluminense, BRA 11.08.1986 170 66 MF
17 FELLYPE GABRIEL
Flamengo, BRA 06.12.1985 175 61 MF
18 ERNANE
Bahia, BRA 02.05.1985 178 65 MF
19 THIAGO QUIRINO
Atletico Mineiro, BRA 04.01.1985 180 74 FW
20 DIEGO TARDELLI
Sao Paulo, BRA 10.05.1985 175 70 FW
21 DIEGO C.
Atletico Mineiro, BRA
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

does anyone know if univision and the such are going to show these games on tv??

Kibe Kru

07-06-2005, 05:00:PM

Maradona... good luck to him... hope he fully recovers as a football legend does not deserve to have such a life... (and he is a liverpool supporter now!)

Haha Brazil are taking Bobo! he's decent, ok but certainly not the best youngster we have..

RUSI

07-06-2005, 05:09:PM

WilliamFAlmeida

07-06-2005, 08:11:PM

Sweet!
I think I posted this on the wrong thread hahah :nape:

WilliamFAlmeida

08-06-2005, 08:13:PM

Parriera said that the game against argentina is just a luxury exhibition mathc because they will both qualify. The players are all saying that the game is going to WAR!!! :rockman:
thats what I expect

WilliamFAlmeida

01-07-2005, 10:43:PM

Ive updated our stats on the front page. No longer U20 champs....:( but Confed Champs :rockman:

Also Adriano has won the golden ball, and the golden boot for the Confederations Cup. It is pretty much confirmed that he will play along side Ronaldo, while Robinho will be benched.

Ronaldo wants to be the best again, this coming season and he has been getting alot of rest.

Parreira has also anounced that he will leave the selecao after the 2006 world cup.

yoyo913

01-07-2005, 11:01:PM

Cicinho played amazing at the Confederations Cup final.

Where does he play... I bet a big team will buy him.

RUSI

01-07-2005, 11:04:PM

How well do Ronaldo and Adriano play together ?

can't remember. :(

djgperu1

01-07-2005, 11:07:PM

Cicinho played amazing at the Confederations Cup final.

Where does he play... I bet a big team will buy him.
I think he plays at Sao Paulo

Also i would love to see Ronaldo and Adriano playing together again :rockman:

Filipower

01-07-2005, 11:33:PM

cicinho is coming to porto..or betis..both teams are interested...

anyway, i agree on the adriano/ronaldo. i love robinho, but the kid's gotta grow(and when he does..d-a-m-n.) but for now, and if ronaldo is in good shape( :rolleyes: ) that duo should be unstoppable..:rockman:

Alianza

01-07-2005, 11:39:PM

Ronaldo a little overweight class striker, Ronaldo in shape god.
the duo of course should be Ronaldo Adriano and Robihno on the bench to get the spoils.

Lean

02-07-2005, 05:24:PM

WilliamFAlmeida

02-07-2005, 06:04:PM

http://tv.terra.com.br/esportes/esportestv/interna/0,,OI55566-EI5025,00.html

You ALL should watch this video!!
Its the team celebrating in the bus dancing some Samba!!!! :lui: :fool:

Kibe Kru

03-07-2005, 10:19:PM

Dagoberto and Fred. Gil doesnt play football at a decent level for like, 2 years already. He's 23 or 24 and he seems past it.
He seems to be uninterested atm... his past seasons have been poor but that imho is down to injuries and a terribly bad team to support him...

Lean

05-07-2005, 03:09:PM

This season the team is far from being terribly bad and he's still did pish.

Kibe Kru

05-07-2005, 07:34:PM

he's been injured most of the time, and without any kind of rythm.. also he was played as a partner for Tevez when it's clear to me he plays better up the wing...

WilliamFAlmeida

06-07-2005, 08:46:PM

poor pekerman.....Brazilian love that guy....:(:(:(:(

Lean

07-07-2005, 04:18:PM

he's been injured most of the time, and without any kind of rythm.. also he was played as a partner for Tevez when it's clear to me he plays better up the wing...

He's been terrible for the past 2 years. That's a fact, you cant deny it. No forward in the world has spent like, 7 months without a goal like he did. He's overrated.

Now he's going to Japan, there he will bang in a lot of goals i guess, shouldnt be too hard.

WilliamFAlmeida

07-07-2005, 04:21:PM

After Robinho, I dont know what to expect from Brasil....

Kibe Kru

07-07-2005, 05:38:PM

He's been terrible for the past 2 years. That's a fact, you cant deny it. No forward in the world has spent like, 7 months without a goal like he did. He's overrated.

Now he's going to Japan, there he will bang in a lot of goals i guess, shouldnt be too hard.
Indeed, he's been terrible for the past 2 years, I never denied that... I just said there were reasons for that... Overrated? I don't know... everyone seems to hate him these days... but I like the way he plays... he may be a bit too weak but still... the fact that he was spotted by Corinthians when he was playing at my hometown make me feel a bit biased towards him though...

Shame he's going to Japan now... we could've got quite some money if we sold him at the right time...

WilliamFAlmeida

09-07-2005, 06:04:PM

http://img.terra.com.br/i/2005/07/09/246180-1044-ga.jpg

This is Ronaldo's A1 Grand Prix team...Roberto Carlos has a team too. R9 hired emerson fitipaldi as a business partner...should be pretty cool

WilliamFAlmeida

18-07-2005, 07:10:PM

http://esportes.terra.com.br/mundial2006/interna/0,,OI595197-EI1773,00.html

Ronaldo announces that 2006 will be his last World Cup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :Bow: :( :(

Kibe Kru

18-07-2005, 08:31:PM

Yeah, I think he should retire after the WC... I don't like him, but I admit he's a top class striker... he's done a lot to brazilian football and after 2006 I don't think he'll be at his top... good decision... much better than Romario "I want to play until I score 1000 goals" attitude...

akdagr81

18-07-2005, 11:21:PM

Brazil is gonna win the Cup in 06 now for sure. They gotta do it for Ronaldo! I hope he goes out spectacularly.

WilliamFAlmeida

28-07-2005, 11:06:PM

http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/050728/3/ckp4.html

Rest in Peace Jaja!!

Read about the legend ^

Vedran-10

29-07-2005, 12:36:AM

I can't wait to see the stars live against Croatia on Aug 17th. I'm going on holiday soon and I'm trying to find a place near Split so I can go to the game!

BTW I've read that Robinho isn't coming because of this Madrid - Teixeira thing... is that true?
If it is, then it's a shame.

Filipower

29-07-2005, 06:57:PM

i read he wasn't going because some kind of problem with the release clause 'n stuff...

WilliamFAlmeida

29-07-2005, 08:05:PM

Parreira said Robinho might not be called up if he's not practicing or playing much. Pele says that Robinho should not have stopped practicing, and is being "bad mannered" if I translated that properly

KAKA 500

30-07-2005, 06:52:AM

Ronaldo announces that 2006 will be his last World Cup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :Bow: :( :(

Finally! :wootman: Now there can be room for a new top scorer. I mean u already had
Pele
Romario
Rivaldo &
Ronaldo
There is a new era coming and it's called Adriano....... :Bow:

WilliamFAlmeida

30-07-2005, 04:56:PM

actually Ronaldo denied those reports....but I dont think he'll start in 2010.
Anyway.
Kaka is getting married after 2 years of dating his gf. SHE HAS FINALLY TURNED 18! LOL Kaka is a Christian Pimp!

WilliamFAlmeida

13-08-2005, 01:02:AM

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/scoreb...gue=all&cc=5739

Does anyone know why soccernet reported this?
Brazil never played a firendly against Trukey today? (8/12)!?
And they didnt lose! :taz:

WilliamFAlmeida

17-08-2005, 04:20:PM

Brasil v. Croatia
3:15pm ET

Roque Junior is suspended!! :lui: But so is Dinho :(
So Instead of putting in Robinho, Parreira will play Ricardinho! Dont know why but here are the lineups....

CROÁCIA: Butina; Robert Kovac, Tomas, Tudor e Simunic; Niko Kovac, Babic, Srna e Kranjcar; Klasnic e Olic
Técnico: Zlatko Kranjcar

BRASIL: Dida; Cafu, Lúcio, Juan e Roberto Carlos; Emerson, Zé Roberto, Ricardinho e Kaká; Ronaldo e Adriano
Técnico: Carlos Alberto Parreira

faceNside

17-08-2005, 04:32:PM

I think Ze Roberto hasnt the level for be an starter in almost every match.

BTW what ET means?

R.9

17-08-2005, 05:13:PM

I think Ze Roberto hasnt the level for be an starter in almost every match.

BTW what ET means?

ET = Eastern time

Kibe Kru

17-08-2005, 05:42:PM

yoyo913

17-08-2005, 07:22:PM

Ronaldo and Adriano are too good to be similar, don't worry about Adriano's right, its good enough, compared to his left (best foot in football today) its not that great.

maleato

17-08-2005, 07:42:PM

I think Ze Roberto hasnt the level for be an starter in almost every match.

BTW what ET means?

Nah, Ze Roberto has proven to be very useful to the team :)

Lean

17-08-2005, 07:49:PM

Ronaldo and Adriano... I don't know, but I guess it won't work.... the two are too similar... I'd rather see Ronaldo + Robinho, or even better, Adriano + Robinho (though I guess we have to be lucky for this combo to work... Adriano can't shoot with his right, and Robinho can't shoot at all...)

Ah come on. The days where Robinho couldnt finish for his life are gone since long. On his comeback he played 4 and scored 2 already, not to mention the assists. He's top scorer for Santos this season, so i guess he can grab a few.

He's not the "matador" type, but he can shoot.

WilliamFAlmeida

17-08-2005, 08:23:PM

I think Adriano and Ronaldo HAS to work. Thats what I predict will be in the 06 WC. I just think Adriano could learn how to be a better passer. But R9 A10 give R10 and K8 a lot of room to run around, which is sweet!

Ze Roberto is AWESOME! I dont know how he plays for bayern, but for Brasil he's SOLID.

Lean

17-08-2005, 08:26:PM

It's kind of a dilemma. I mean, having Robinho on the bench would be stupid, but Ronaldo is the type of guy that steps up for it, and he cant be benched at a World Cup. Then we have Adriano who has been delivering in the past cup competitions like no-one else, so i dont know.

It would be great to have the 3 together playing, but that's utopia, plus in terms of defense we would be screwed. Too many people that know what to do with the ball on their feet, and too little that know what to do when it isnt on their feet.

faceNside

17-08-2005, 09:16:PM

What about

------Emerson---------
-Kaka--Dinho---Robinho-
---Ronaldo--Adriano-----

Emerson would be crazy trying to stop all the attackers. :D

Kibe Kru

18-08-2005, 01:52:AM

Fell asleep during the match, but it seems Ronaldo + Adriano didn't work... Ronaldo had some chances, Adriano missed a sitter... but I still think they shouldn't be playing together... yeah, tough on Adriano, he does deserve to be a starter, but as long as Ronaldo is playing, I can't see that happening...

As for Robinho, yeah, he's been working on his finishing, but you just can't compare his finishing with the other strikers we have... he'll score goals in Brazilian league because our defenders don't close down enough, and I guess he'll still score some for Madrid, but in a world cup it can be different... much like the confed cup, and that wasn't even half serious...

djgperu1

18-08-2005, 03:16:AM

Robinho still has some Months to adapt to European Soccer, now that he is in Real Madrid
he will have more experience to face the world cup and maybe start in some games :)

akdagr81

18-08-2005, 06:53:AM

what was the score?

jani

18-08-2005, 09:49:AM

1-1

Ricardinho

How did Kaká play?

Drvar

18-08-2005, 11:12:AM

the game was pretty sh*t, Kaka did pretty well from what i saw, didnt watch much tho, because the Croatian commentators were ridiculous in this game. there was one action where a Croatian defender stopped Kaka from a counter, and they were saying that Kaka cant pass their defenders like that, excellent stop, Kaka has to try harder etc, then in the next action, Kaka in the same situation, on his own half, same defender against him, tricks him, leaves the guy far behind, and they go like "Well, Kaka is a world class player after all...". When they scored, i thought one of them lost his mind, then every pass after that goal was "superb, excellent, we're watching European Brazil here", thank god Ricardinho scored that beatiful free-kick, it shut them up for a few minutes :).
second half, a lot of subs, got even more boring.
and there were freaking huge fireworks after the game, like it was a World Cup final or something.

datboy

18-08-2005, 12:01:PM

Robinho stood out against the other Brazilians. he made an excellent performance, assisting both Ronie and Adriano to goal opportunities. Adriano blew open goal. :rolleyes:

what was Dida thinking?!?!? horrible mistake. :nape:

yoyo913

18-08-2005, 06:19:PM

What about

------Emerson---------
-Kaka--Dinho---Robinho-
---Ronaldo--Adriano-----

Emerson would be crazy trying to stop all the attackers. :D

wow what an attack that would be

I would LOVE to see that formation.

Lean

18-08-2005, 08:14:PM

CRO_COP

18-08-2005, 11:19:PM

It was good game by both sides. Brasilian players showed their skill and magic, and we showed ours. Croatia has a good team and can get a good result against any team in the world. European Brazil equals the original one.

Only bad thing is Olic s injury, it looks very serious. But i hope he will recover soon.

And u DRVAR shut up BITC*H cause The Storm "Oluja" can catch you even if u are hiding in a decent county like Slovenia! It is a shame that they let you in!

http://www.sportnet.hr/media9/0000000000288559.jpg

Drvar

18-08-2005, 11:34:PM

what the f*ck are you bringing this sh*t up? i posted a comment on the game, i thought it was sh*t, and thought your commentators were overly nationalistic, and you just showed me that the commentators arent the only ones being like that. no wonder we cant get along. i would reply to you in croatian, but all i know is alot of insults...

R.9

19-08-2005, 12:53:AM

Brazil name unchanged squad for Chile qualifier

RIO DE JANEIRO, Aug 18 (Reuters) - World champions Brazil have named an unchanged squad for next month's World Cup qualifier at home to Chile when they hope to book their place in Germany.

Coach Carlos Alberto Parreira named the same 22 players who travelled to Split for Wednesday's 1-1 friendly international draw away to Croatia, the Brazilian Football Confederation (CBF) said on their official website.

Parreira said he hoped his strike pair of Ronaldo and Adriano would be in better shape for the game.

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"Ronaldo and Adriano didn't have the rhythm they needed," he told the Estado news agency.

"I hope the pair will be in better physical shape and with more motivation."

Ronaldinho and defender Roque Junior are suspended after picking up second yellow cards in the 3-1 defeat by Argentina in June.

Brazil, the only team to have played at every World Cup tournament, will keep their unique record intact if they beat Chile in Brasilia on September 4.

Even if they do not win, they still have games away to Bolivia and at home to Venezuela to book their place.

Brazil are second in the 10-nation South American group with 27 points from 15 games, four points behind Argentina who have already qualified.

The top four teams go straight to the finals in Germany and the fifth-placed side plays off against Australia or the Solomon Islands for another berth.

Brazil have already booked a friendly away to the United Arab Emirates on November 12, the day when one leg of the playoff is due to take place.

The CBF said the same squad, minus Santos midfielder Ricardinho, would also travel to Spain to face Sevilla in a friendly on September 6 as part of the Spanish club's centenary celebrations.

Squad:

Goalkeepers: Dida (AC Milan), Julio Cesar (Inter Milan)

Defenders: Cafu (AC Milan), Cicinho (Sao Paulo), Roberto Carlos (Real Madrid), Gustavo Nery (Corinthians), Alex (PSV Eindhoven), Luisao (Benfica), Juan (Bayer Leverkusen), Lucio (Bayern Munich)

Midfielders: Renato (Sevilla), Emerson (Juventus), Gilberto Silva (Arsenal), Juninho Pernambucano (Olympique Lyon), Ze Roberto (Bayern Munich), Kaka (AC Milan), Julio Baptista (Real Madrid), Ricardinho (Santos)

Forwards: Robinho (Santos), Ronaldo (Real Madrid), Ricardo Oliveira (Real Betis), Adriano (Inter Milan).

WilliamFAlmeida

19-08-2005, 06:14:AM

I think Brasil will win this one with ease. They'll qualify in this game. Brasil's problem has been that they have a good game-bad game cycle going. they had their bad game against croatia, now its time to have a good game at home. No worries I dont think.

PS: I cant keep up with all the eastern european hate that goes around, so if you guys could keep it off this thread it would be nice.

WilliamFAlmeida

01-09-2005, 12:47:AM

Júlio César, Cicinho, Luisão, Alex e Gustavo Nery; Gilberto Silva, Renato, Juninho Pernambucano e Ricardinho; Júlio Baptista e Ricardo Oliveira.

the reserves played the main team and the main team won only 1-0. Brasil is preparing defensively, and relying on individual talent to beat chile in the qualifiers

The main team is
Dida,
R Carlos, Cafu, Juan (replacing rj :rockman: ) and Lucio
Emerson, Kaka, Robinho, Ze Roberto
Ronaldo Adriano

WilliamFAlmeida

04-09-2005, 09:17:PM

35 minutes in and Robinho is OWNING! Brasil is winning 4-0 against Chile and is playing great team ball

akdagr81

04-09-2005, 09:46:PM

wow, nice job by them. Share some hilites if ya can! :)

WilliamFAlmeida

04-09-2005, 10:43:PM

Adriano has scored his second hat trick IN A ROW!!!!!!
Brasil won 5-0

ForzaNerrazurri

04-09-2005, 10:52:PM

adriano éééééééé adriano ooooooo

Il Imperatore!!! :rockman:

pleeeeeeeeease try and get highlights

datboy

04-09-2005, 11:49:PM

1st half was amazing. the 2nd was meh...

1 - 0 Juan:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=40IBP0V1

2 - 0 Robinho:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=435JKDWO

3 - 0 Adriano:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=40G7E5ZC

4 - 0 Adriano:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=41R6R5OM

R. Carlos nutmeg

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=230RHM4U

Adriano 5 - 0:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=41BMX9ED

Robinho skills:

1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=42VM544R

2) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=41HYOO19

3) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=40A703UH

ForzaNerrazurri

05-09-2005, 12:40:AM

You're a good man datboy :rockman:

Thanks

WilliamFAlmeida

05-09-2005, 09:40:PM

http://esportes.terra.com.br/mundial2006/interna/0,,OI655732-EI1773,00.html

Brazilians are looking for some records to beat.

Ronaldo has a chance to be the top scorer of all time in the World Cup. He has 12 gols, and the record listed on the website is 14 by Muller, but I thought he had 16 gols. Can someone confirm.

If Cafu makes it to yet another Final, it will be off the hook....

Zagalo is up for HIS OWN 5th title that would be a record as well.

who knows..........what a World Cup that could be.

Hendrik

05-09-2005, 09:46:PM

Yeah Müller scored 14 goals in two World Cups.

Kibe Kru

05-09-2005, 09:52:PM

Gerd Müller has 14 goals (10 in 1970, 4 in 1974)... Just Fontaine has 13, all of them in 1958.. Ronaldo can beat Muller's record quite easily, but it depends on Brazil's performance... if we manage to get a tough group like we did in 2002.......

Zagallo's record would be the most impressive... he's already won more World Cups than any nation other than Brazil...

PSVFOREVER

05-09-2005, 09:59:PM

When does Gomes finally gets what he deserves, being the first goalie of Brazil. I see Dida making big mistakes almost every week

R.9

05-09-2005, 10:02:PM

Ronaldo can easily break the record if he does a performence like he did in WC 2002.

WilliamFAlmeida

05-09-2005, 10:06:PM

that would put Ronaldo in the book if he beat that record :rockman:

WilliamFAlmeida

06-09-2005, 11:52:PM

Brasil tied Sevilla today. RJ played again :nape: but I guess he did ok

Robinho scored but the gol was disallowed.

Luis Fabiano played, but his sub Kanoute scored, and then Sevilla scored an own goal

Raikkonen

07-09-2005, 12:26:AM

Luis Fabiano was absolutely awful today, what happened to him in Portugal? :confused: he can't even controlled the ball :nape:

i really liked how Cicinho played today, and the first half could have end 4-0 easily... but it was Sevilla, not Chile :( :(

Kibe Kru

07-09-2005, 05:00:AM

Luis Fabiano was absolutely awful today, what happened to him in Portugal?
Luis Fabiano was so great in Portugal that Porto's president said something like "I bought a player dubbed 'Fabuloso'. If I knew I was gonna get 3 goals by the end of the season I'd have promoted the youth team striker"

Callum

07-09-2005, 05:23:AM

Just watched highlights of brazil vs chile, holy sh1t, adriano is a monster, He is one of my favorite strikers, just sheer power. (6)

Sevillista

07-09-2005, 07:22:AM

Who plays right back on the Brazilian national team, and is he better than Daniel Alves?

Payukgcn

07-09-2005, 07:33:AM

Who plays right back on the Brazilian national team, and is he better than Daniel Alves?
Cafu if im not wrong and i think is way too better than Alves

Yossarian

07-09-2005, 06:10:PM

Luis Fabiano was so great in Portugal that Porto's president said something like "I bought a player dubbed 'Fabuloso'. If I knew I was gonna get 3 goals by the end of the season I'd have promoted the youth team striker"

LOLzer!

Nuno

07-09-2005, 06:21:PM

Who plays right back on the Brazilian national team, and is he better than Daniel Alves?

Cafu and Cicinho.

WilliamFAlmeida

07-09-2005, 06:57:PM

What should the Brasil team be for the World Cup?
The "fab four" is going to be kept, but the 5 will not play at the same time.

So who should sit????????????

Cafu ---LUCIO----EDMILSON---R Carlos
-------------Emerson------------
-----Kaka--------------Ze Roberto
------------Ronaldinho--------
Adriano--------------Ronald0---------

Thats my opinion. And Robinho sits, because he's young and unexperienced. But he should be the first sub.
This formation is too offensive as it is, so I hope it works. AND R Junior should DEFINATELY NOT start!

Yossarian

07-09-2005, 07:04:PM

^^ Sweet 11.

So Rivaldo is dunzo as far as seeing any action next year is concerned in your minds? Will/should he atleast be called up?

WilliamFAlmeida

07-09-2005, 07:10:PM

well rough right now for fowards in Brasil.....too much competition. It pains me to say, but I do think Rivaldo's days with Brasil are over

LeBaNeSe_FoOl

08-09-2005, 01:39:PM

Just watched highlights of brazil vs chile, holy sh1t, adriano is a monster, He is one of my favorite strikers, just sheer power. (6)

Where did u get the highlights from

jani

08-09-2005, 03:19:PM

When does Gomes finally gets what he deserves, being the first goalie of Brazil. I see Dida making big mistakes almost every week

Thats crap. We gonna beat you so bad in the CL Gomes would retire. :ewan:

Anyways, based on the lineup posted, I'd switch Ronaldgenio with Ze Roberto and have Robinho play a bit behind Ronnie and Adriano.

WilliamFAlmeida

15-09-2005, 04:54:AM

http://esportes.terra.com.br/futebol/europeu2005/interna/0,,OI667423-EI5337,00.html

some other good news.
In the first day of the CL...Brazilians are the top scorers with 9 of the 36 gols scored.

ForzaNerrazurri

15-09-2005, 05:13:AM

I vote Julio Cesar as Brazilian National Team goalie :jambo:

Lean

29-09-2005, 03:04:PM

Yea, might be worth it. After the goal Dida conceded yesterday to Schalke, i mean, come on...

solaimaa

29-09-2005, 05:18:PM

Yea, might be worth it. After the goal Dida conceded yesterday to Schalke, i mean, come on...

what, goalie's can't make mistakes? dida has been rock solid for years, and is one of the best goal keepers in the world.

if it ain't broken, don't fix it. jersey dudek was beyond broken, and he was fixed by Rafa this year. Dida is definiately not broken.

R.9

29-09-2005, 06:55:PM

what, goalie's can't make mistakes? dida has been rock solid for years, and is one of the best goal keepers in the world.

if it ain't broken, don't fix it. jersey dudek was beyond broken, and he was fixed by Rafa this year. Dida is definiately not broken.

Totally agree with that.Dida is the best brazillian GK so i dont see why just for one mistake they will change his spot.

Kibe Kru

29-09-2005, 07:39:PM

we have no keeper better than Dida for the NT... yeah, he does make stupid mistakes from time to time, but he's still the best we got...
If I had to select 3 keepers for the World Cup, I'd take Dida, Gomes and Ceni (if only to make him sit on the bench, the bastard)

Lean

29-09-2005, 07:43:PM

what, goalie's can't make mistakes? dida has been rock solid for years, and is one of the best goal keepers in the world.

if it ain't broken, don't fix it. jersey dudek was beyond broken, and he was fixed by Rafa this year. Dida is definiately not broken.

I'm not basing my opinion solely on the fact he screwed up yesterday, against Schalke. Dida is 2 meters tall (or almost) and he cant rush to pick a cross for his life. He screwed up for us in the Olympics aswell, and i believe we have better Goalkeepers than him. He's great, dont get me wrong, but i prefer other guys between the posts.

Julio Cesar is on form and he deserves to start the next 2 games for us in the Qualifiers, against Bolivia and Venezuela. It would be good to see how he would fair in the altitude from La Paz. Why not? Dida isnt unanimous around here aswell. And yes, i'm Brazilian so i know what i'm talking about.

WilliamFAlmeida

03-10-2005, 05:06:PM

WilliamFAlmeida

03-10-2005, 05:44:PM

Lean

03-10-2005, 06:45:PM

I agree with trying out Julio Cesar. He's a good keep. But I still think Dida is the best. I never seen him screw up for Brasil. Also....every keeper screws up.

As long as Dida is as reliable as Marcos was in 2002.

You never seem Dida screw up for Brazil? Guess you werent alive during the Olympics in 1996/2000, or you were sleeping during some of our qualifiers matches (Uruguay, Peru), or some of our friendlies (last one i recall against Croatia). :crazyboy:

Raikkonen

03-10-2005, 08:21:PM

I also want to mention that- to the hatred of all club teams around the world-
I am in FULL AGREEMENT with Parreira in calling up all the players for the remaining 2 games. I think it is imperative that Brasil build team chemistry, and work out as much kinks as they can before the World Cup. I think this is a brilliant idea, and I hope no one else does the same.

if any of the Real Madrid players returns injured, i'll kill Parreira :taz: they could easily beat Bolivia and Venezuela with their 'C' team. It's not like France, England or Spain, teams who need their best players to qualify for Germany'06... Brazil is already in!

besides, you had the Confederations Cup to build your chemistry :(

WilliamFAlmeida

05-10-2005, 01:23:AM

I cant say I watched the olympics....not to mention that was 5 YEARS AGO
I dont remember him screwing up against Peru, I do remember Uruguay being all R Junior's fault....as well as G Silva's own gol. And against Croatia....that was JUAN's FAULT! Stupid Brazilian defenders! But Juan is ok.

Raik,
The confed cup didnt have Cafu, R Carlos or Ronaldo. Now we must gel, gel, gel! It is the toughest tournament in the world to win.

I dont think they'll come back injured. VEnezuela and Bolivia are already out (arent they?) So everyone will be taking it easy, and lots of gols abound- except in la paz. We'll just play lazy that game.

I think its ridiculous as it is for Brasil to have to qualify, so now we have to use these oppotunities.

R.9

05-10-2005, 03:36:AM

It true that in the confederations cup not all the regualar player of the team where there so i think the idea of building a team chemistry for the WC is true but Brazil are already in the WC so calling all the big guns for team like Bolivia and Venezuela was not neccesary.Take Robinho as exemple he being playing a lot of game and now he call up he need to rest the guy.Well i expect Brazil to win big and both match in finish first.

Kibe Kru

05-10-2005, 04:39:PM

I don't think team chemistry is something you build now and use later... I'd rather use youngsters with something to prove rather than the old lazy bastards... we all know they play like **** when they don't care about a match, so we'll probably see 2 draws, and that's if we're lucky in la paz... the old farts will just sit back and hope to nick a goal.. then the opposition will attack and we'll counter... at least we'd see some will if the youngsters were to play...

WilliamFAlmeida

05-10-2005, 07:57:PM

true, itd be more entertaining....
but for the team as a whole, I think its the training sessions that are the most important. Thats what builds the team IMO. Thats what they need to work on, I think. With that said it would be nice to see young talent show off skills and try to impress

Raikkonen

06-10-2005, 12:46:AM

Zagallo não quer comemorações polêmicas na Seleção

Velho Lobo diz que não há sentido marcar um gol e plantar bananeira

LANCEPRESS!

As comemorações originais dos brasileiros no Real Madrid ganharam polêmica também dentro da Seleção Brasileira. Depois de o técnico Carlos Alberto Parreira ter feito restrições à forma de comemorar gols, foi a vez do coordenador técnico Zagallo fazer suas ressalvas e mandar recado aos jogadores:

- Dentro dos clubes, não vejo maiores problemas, desde que você não ofenda o time ou os jogadores rivais. Mas na Seleção, não queremos e não acho uma coisa legal. A camisa verde-amarela corre o mundo e você tem de ter respeito, inclusive para não ser mal interpretado durante a comemoração. Não tem sentido um jogador da Seleção marcar um gol e sair plantando bananeira - recomendou o Velho Lobo.

Zagallo diz que pretende evitar problemas quando o Brasil marcar um gol. Ele lembrou que há várias formas de comemorar sem criar polêmica.

- Veja o que o Bebeto fez na Copa de 94, aquilo foi uma comemoração bacana - lembrou, referindo-se ao atacante, que balançou os braços como se segurasse um bebê, em homenagem ao nascimento de seu filho caçula.

Embora pregue comemorações que não criem polêmica, Zagallo, em 1996, então técnico da Seleção Brasileira, imitou um aviãozinho no amistoso em que o Brasil venceu a África do Sul (3 a 2), em Johanesburgo. Mas o Velho Lobo justifica:

- Aquela foi uma situação diferente. Quando eles fizeram 1 a 0, imitaram aviãozinho em direção ao nosso banco. No 2 a 0, a cena se repetiu. Fizemos 2 a 1 e fiquei calado. Empatamos e continuei calado. Aí, quando viramos para 3 a 2, não dava para me segurar. E não imitei aviãozinho, aquilo foi esquadrilha da fumaça mesmo - contou.

:| :| :|

this has gone waaaaaaay to far :o

Kibe Kru

06-10-2005, 01:03:AM

Zagallo should stick to saying stuff like "voces vao ter que me engolir", "eu sou o unico tetracampeao mundial" and "I'm a big bastard has 13 letters"...

He shouldn't care what the players do after they score a goal, for all I know he should be more worried about the players actually scoring a goal...

As for my opinion, as long as they don't disrespect people, it's fine to me...

Lean

06-10-2005, 07:14:PM

I cant say I watched the olympics....not to mention that was 5 YEARS AGO
I dont remember him screwing up against Peru, I do remember Uruguay being all R Junior's fault....as well as G Silva's own gol. And against Croatia....that was JUAN's FAULT! Stupid Brazilian defenders! But Juan is ok.

Against Peru he was poor on high balls, every cross was frightening. Plus on the goal he didnt rush out for the ball like he should, and Pizarro anticipated him, scoring the goal. Against Uruguay took him half an hour to make a decision to rush out at Forlan, and when he went for it he was too late.

WilliamFAlmeida

07-10-2005, 07:48:PM

I'm a big bastard has 13 letters"... :rofl: :rofl:

Grunger
You know, I never noticed. I dont think Julio Cesar would play much better though. I mean- NO keeper comes out at the right times and gets all the high balls. Dida is good on PKs which makes him priceless IMO

BTW
Parreira is "poupando" 8 starters.
Ronaldo, R Carlos, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Cafu, Emerson, and Dida (and someone else, I cant recal) are all being benched against Bolivia. So as I said earlier- The focus is on the TRAINING SESSIONS, not the actual games. The whole team should be playing against Venezuela in Brasil :bob:
The team is increasing in chemistry and thats what we REALLY need.

ForzaNerrazurri

09-10-2005, 04:54:AM

ADRIANO HAT TRICK

AGAIN!!!!

My goodness I hope he carries this form into Serie A

Internazionale

09-10-2005, 06:19:AM

phuck me, I want Adriano to score more hattrick goals for Inter.
Do it, man ! :(

jani

09-10-2005, 03:55:PM

any line ups for the game?

WilliamFAlmeida

09-10-2005, 09:31:PM

Bolivia
. Arias
. Vaca
. Raldes
. Jáuregui
. Hoyos
. Angulo
. Galindo
. Cristaldo
. Baldivieso
. Gutiérrez
. Botero

BRASIL
. Júlio César
. Cicinho
. Luisão
. Roque Júnior
. Gilberto
. Gilberto Silva
. Renato
. Juninho Pernambucano
. Ricardinho
. Robinho
. Adriano

I hope this means that R junior will be a bench player.

jani

09-10-2005, 09:59:PM

very boring game..

Brazil dont give a f*ck.. Im up at 4am for this :(

WilliamFAlmeida

09-10-2005, 10:03:PM

GOL
:Bow: Juninho's FKs

WilliamFAlmeida

10-10-2005, 12:16:AM

tie tie tie tie tie tie tie tie tie tie tie

Lean

10-10-2005, 12:50:AM

Poor game to watch, too many wrong passes on both sides, but anyway, who cares?

Internazionale

11-10-2005, 11:51:AM

Julio Cesar wasn't so bad that match. Juninho freekick is another superb one.

WilliamFAlmeida

13-10-2005, 11:25:AM

we finished first with a GOLASOS

WilliamFAlmeida

15-11-2005, 01:11:AM

Brasil beat UAE 8-0 BTW..... :)

WilliamFAlmeida

13-02-2006, 07:11:PM

http://img.terra.com.br/i/2006/02/13/305788-8885-ga.jpg just updated the main page....

New Kits are OUT and Brasil has an EXCLUSIVE style to their kits :rockman:
I love it, and will definately be wearing that Jersey...

Interesting note Ronaldo never wore the #9 with his name on it in the last version of the jersey....

Team news:'
Cafu WILL BE OPERATED ON!!! He is set to recover before the WC, so that shouldnt be a problem- but given Cicinho's form Brasil will be ok. Cafu's recovery will take a maximum of 25 days

Marcos has injured himself and will not be called for the friendly against Russia in March...this could very well seal his seat OUT of the WC

http://img.terra.com.br/i/2006/02/13/305796-0478-ga.jpg http://img.terra.com.br/i/2006/02/13/305782-0275-ga.jpg http://img.terra.com.br/i/2006/02/13/305784-7189-ga.jpg http://img.terra.com.br/i/2006/02/13/305787-9150-ga.jpg
http://img.terra.com.br/i/2006/02/13/305912-6774-ga.jpg http://img.terra.com.br/i/2006/02/13/305842-9835-ga.jpg

Daniel David

14-02-2006, 02:43:AM

Marcos has injured himself and will not be called for the friendly against Russia in March...this could very well seal his seat OUT of the WC

Poor Marcos, if he hadn't injured himself so often through the last few years he would be sure our starter, and deservedly. (and before you ask, I've pretty much given up about Rogério atm)

Anyway, those kits rock :rockman: .Tomorrow the ones who will debut them will be revealed, as there will be the call-ups for Russia friendly - let's wait and see what Parreira will NOT do this time...

Daniel David

14-02-2006, 11:12:PM

That is the call-up for Russia game at first of March, from CBF official site (http://cbfnews.uol.com.br/selecoes/ult1046u1196.jhtm). Looking good is Fred instead of Baptista and Cris over Roque Jr. (Roque is just currently injured, however). Now let's wait...

Goleiros
Dida (Milan)
Julio Cesar (Internazionale)

Zagueiros
Lúcio (Bayern de Munique)
Juan (Bayer Leverkusen)
Cris (Lyon)
Luisão (Benfica)

Laterais
Cicinho (Real Madrid)
Maicon (Mônaco)
Roberto Carlos (Real Madrid)
Gustavo Nery (Corinthians)

Meio-campo
Emerson (Juventus)
Edmílson (Barcelona)
Gilberto Silva (Arsenal)
Zé Roberto (Bayern de Munique)
Kaká (Milan)
Juninho Pernambucano (Lyon)
Ronaldinho Gaúcho (Barcelona)
Ricardinho (Corinthians)

Atacantes
Ronaldo (Real Madrid)
Robinho (Real Madrid)
Adriano (Internazionale)
Fred (Lyon)

Vinnie Jones

14-02-2006, 11:33:PM

God, what a team :jambo:

Kibe Kru

15-02-2006, 03:24:AM

Poor Marcos, if he hadn't injured himself so often through the last few years he would be sure our starter, and deservedly. (and before you ask, I've pretty much given up about Rogério atm)

I don't think so... usually the coach has his favourite GK, and then uses him no matter what... Felipao preferred Marcos over Dida, Parreira prefers Dida to Marcos... Unless Dida breaks an arm or something like that, he's the starter, Marcos is his sub, some young keeper like Julio Cesar is the 3rd choice keeper...
As for the call up, that's pretty much the World Cup squad, except for injured players...
Roque Jr instead of Cris, Cafu instead of Maicon, and there you go....

Daniel David

15-02-2006, 03:44:AM

Ya, we are pretty much set for WC. Parreira mentioned his last observation on Russia game will be about Fred, candidate for replacement of Ricardo Oliveira (in all likelyhood not fit for WC). He is still not sure about bringing a forward or a midfielder (hmm, Júlio Batista? :nape: ). So, Fred is the one to expect for that game.

WilliamFAlmeida

16-02-2006, 06:19:PM

I wonder how seriously Brasil will take this game...
Russia are a good team- so we will use them as a guide for the game against Croatia

then Brasil has just scheduled a friendly against New Zeeland as a guide for the game against Australia....

who will we play as a guide to Japan?

Jedi Mind Trick

16-02-2006, 06:30:PM

Roque Jr instead of Cris, Cafu instead of Maicon, and there you go....

how is it that roque jr. is consistently named to the squad?

Lean

16-02-2006, 07:02:PM

Yea, that is beyond me aswell. I dont think Parreira will start him during the WC tho.

WilliamFAlmeida

16-02-2006, 07:11:PM

really- no one in Brasil knows...
every Brazilian coach calls up a "stranger".......

Lean

16-02-2006, 07:14:PM

Every coach has it's protected player, that he will call up no matter what. Parreira loves Roque Junior, Felipão loved Kleberson/Ronaldo, blah blah...

Kibe Kru

17-02-2006, 12:21:AM

really- no one in Brasil knows...

that's probably true.... nobody likes him, everyone thinks he plays like ****... yet every coach seems to love him...
oh well, I shouldn't complain, but really, it's annoying

Virgo

26-02-2006, 11:39:PM

any chance of Leo getting called up instead of Gustavo Nery? He's been in super form and tearing it up in Portugal. Amazing player. :Bow:

Kibe Kru

01-03-2006, 12:44:AM

any chance of Leo getting called up instead of Gustavo Nery? He's been in super form and tearing it up in Portugal. Amazing player. :Bow:
Well, unless Nery gets injured, he'll be in Germany... while I think Leo is better than him, the fact that Nery has more exposure to the local supporters (and therefore more pressure on the coach to select him) will make Parreira take Nery over Leo

Lean

01-03-2006, 03:14:AM

Parreira will probably take Nery over Leo, mostly due to the fact he doesnt like when his full-backs go upfront too much. Even though Nery is pretty offensive, i feel he's more of the tactical player, rather than Leo, who's by far more talented.

Daniel David

01-03-2006, 07:28:PM

FT Brazil 1-0 Russia...
Goal by Ronaldo about halfway first half, in a very strange chest-deflection form a Roberto Carlos shoot.

As expected, a very meh game. As one could put it in portuguese "A CBF sempre põe a seleção numa fria em matéria de arranjar amistosos". We played reasonably fine at first half and, well, we frozen at the second. One of the linesmen did pretty bad, disallowing a legal goal for each side (for the second one at 94', Fred must be swearing up to now, I guess...). Gustavo Nery, as Fred, entered at the second half; endorsing Grunger's comment by playing more as a defender than as a winger - the likely tactical justification of Parreira for his presence at the WC. As for Rogério, just a (Y) for a really good display today, showing he is up to the task if Parreira decides to call him.

And to finish, a quote from the unimitable, Galvão Bueno (our "beloved" Globo's lead commentor):
"...that must be the first time three players of the same french club are on field for Brazil; Cris, Juninho and Fred. And it could have been four, as Edmilson has just left Lyon for Barcelona."
:fool:

Lean

01-03-2006, 10:17:PM

It's been what, 2 seasons? Just left? :fool:

WilliamFAlmeida

02-03-2006, 07:35:PM

http://img.terra.com.br/i/2006/03/01/314549-2302-ga.jpg http://img.terra.com.br/i/2006/03/01/314551-6421-ga.jpg http://img.terra.com.br/i/2006/03/01/314532-7170-ga.jpg

some pictures from our match....

looks like Brasil will have to play hard against Croatia they came from behind and beat Argentina :o!!

Their coach already said they are one of the favorites to win the WC after this win :nape:

EDIT http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3228615939352023825&q=brasil
this is a hilarious video of Brasil' vicotry over Argentina in the Confed final. I know its old but it get everyone in the mood for the WC!!!

Daniel David

03-03-2006, 03:28:AM

Still about the friendlies, let me mention this:

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/esporte/ult92u98947.shtml

Parreira says two things of note: he foresees a "treacherous group" at WC after Croatia shocking result yesterday. Of course we are able of leaving group F unharmed if we play decently; however Brazil-Croatia will be more interesting to see than I thought at first, and that is a good thing.

(But then again, the result could be just psychologhical warfare from our 'hermanos'... (6) )

The other interesting detail is: "after Brazilian victory over Russia...a game which usefullness was regarded as very small by Parreira due to the extremely low temperatures (up to -17ºC)..."

O' glory! That is the first time Parreira (or any other manager) admits that a plain useless CBF arranged friendly was just plain useless! Frogs will rain tonight!

(That is, sportingly useless. Something other than frogs is likely to rain on the CBF coffers and, ultimately, in dirigent pockets. Those damn :f***: )

WilliamFAlmeida

03-03-2006, 06:54:PM

well THEY COULD be used to lift the team's cohesiveness, which from what I read was missing, as they screwed up LOADS of passes...

Lean

03-03-2006, 07:06:PM

Well mate, it was our last friendly before the WC, so we are going to gain cohesiveness by training, if anything.

Kibe Kru

03-03-2006, 08:34:PM

The only positive about the match was that we got to know Ronaldo's fatness can be useful sometimes... were he thin, the keeper would've saved it...

Daniel David

03-03-2006, 09:38:PM

Well mate, it was our last friendly before the WC, so we are going to gain cohesiveness by training, if anything.

Not that we will gain loads of cohesiveness with them, but we have two friendlies after WC call-ups. One is against an unknown team and the other is vs. New Zealand (to emulate Australia playing style, :lui: ). Still, valid point; for Parreira deciding who will go to WC, this waste of time was the last game - It could be easier to understand if they set this match at Turin, at least it would have a context. Wrong team, wrong place. A bit more of sportive planning and we could be meenting Ireland, S&M, or even Mexico. Very few NT's would refuse a friendly vs. Brazil.

BTW, Will has mentioned wrong passes; Brazil did near 60 of them...Just to note how bizarre it must have been for the players.

And speaking of oddities, I went across a Pelé declaration ( :fool: ). He warns us not to take Australia lightly:
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/060302/6/679s.html
Have a look at least at the last paragraph, it is so typical of him...

WilliamFAlmeida

04-03-2006, 12:05:AM

freakin Pele.......

60 missed passes?!?!?!
and we STILL managed a win!??

Not to mention that last second gol by Fred shouldve counted...

WilliamFAlmeida

04-03-2006, 05:22:PM

Hey how old is Nilmar??
I remember watching him in the U21 World Cup when he looked like he was 12...he RULED, now he has 15 gols in 12 games! How old is the kid now?

Daniel David

04-03-2006, 05:40:PM

Nilmar is due to make 22 in July :o. Bright future ahead of the boy.

I did not know however that he was loaned from Lyon - I imagined MSI-Corinthians had acquired him definitively... http://www.gazetaesportiva.net/ge_noticias/bin/noticia.php?chid=111&nwid=17142

Lean

04-03-2006, 07:10:PM

Yea he was loaned, and i think they might want to get him back considering his form.

WilliamFAlmeida

28-03-2006, 11:23:PM

http://www.gazetaesportiva.net/copa/copa2006/craques/ronaldo.php

interesting article on Ronaldo..

I also have a question:
how is Rivaldo doing in Greece?

WilliamFAlmeida

20-05-2006, 07:45:PM

THE LIST!!!

Our 23 man squad set to reclaim the crown....
We need to win this WC to show our superiority, and make it legendary.

GREAT NEWS!!!: NO R JUNIOR!!!!!!!!!!!! :lui: :hump: :rockman:

Goleiros
Dida

Rogério Ceni

Júlio César

Laterais

Cafu

Cicinho

Roberto Carlos

Gilberto

Zagueiros

Lúcio

Juan

Luisão

Cris

Volantes

Emerson

Zé Roberto

Gilberto Silva

Edmilson

Meias

Kaká

Ronaldinho Gaúcho

Ricardinho

Juninho Pernambucano

Atacantes

Ronaldo

Adriano

Robinho

Fred

bRaZo0kA

20-05-2006, 11:58:PM

que beleza, agora soh ganhar essa copa e cala a boca de todos!!

Kibe Kru

21-05-2006, 05:47:AM

Shut who up? everyone is saying how Brazil's gonna win and crap like that...

WilliamFAlmeida

22-05-2006, 10:21:PM

kibe, why you always hatin? :chew:
dont hate the player hate the game.
cheer on your NT. Everyone gets cocky about their team, so just do the same with ours..

PaPaGeorGeo

25-05-2006, 07:22:AM

Whats Brazils starting line up going to be/will Adriano start?

jani

25-05-2006, 10:08:AM

Im guessing :

Dida

Cafu-Lucio-Juan-Carlos

Emerson-Ze Roberto

Kaka----Ronaldinho

Ronaldo-Adriano

its not the strongest IMO. but the most likely.

Gene Reginato

25-05-2006, 01:13:PM

Yes, unless someone gets injured this is the team that will start.

faceNside

25-05-2006, 03:14:PM

Kibe Kru

25-05-2006, 05:51:PM

kibe, why you always hatin? :chew:
dont hate the player hate the game.
cheer on your NT. Everyone gets cocky about their team, so just do the same with ours..
I'm sorry, but where's hate on that? I asked who needs to have their mouth shut. me? I'm about the only one hoping we lose. the international media is saying we'll win. the national media had to change their pants like 5 times by now.

Kibe Kru

25-05-2006, 05:53:PM

I have a doubt... Why does Ze Roberto play as central midfielder in the National team when he have played as right attacking midfielder in every club team he has been? IMO Juninho Pernambucano would be a far better option in that position (Ze Roberto doesn't have enough level to even be called up). Cheers :)
He wouldn't have a place as attacking mid, but Parreira, Felipao and co. all love him. Don't ask me why though... I'd like Juninho there as well, but maybe our defense would get overloaded...

Hendrik

25-05-2006, 06:08:PM

I have no clue why but in the national team Ze Roberto can actually defend and play like a defensive midfielder.
This guy wasn't even a regular first team player at Bayern this year.

WilliamFAlmeida

25-05-2006, 10:32:PM

He plays on the left not on the right.
And in Brasil Juninho couldnt really play that DM role on the left side...Juninho subs in for Kaka on the right.

look whos ready to kick @$$
http://soccergaming.tv/attachment.php?attachmentid=128029

R.9

25-05-2006, 10:35:PM

Kibe Kru

25-05-2006, 11:30:PM

look who's ready to lick his ba... uh... nevermind....

Callum

25-05-2006, 11:56:PM

lol why did u post that pic, wow.

anyway I hope juninho and fred get some playing time, they deserve it.

SlayerDeuS

26-05-2006, 02:53:AM

He's too skinny in that picture for the more recently fat Elvis....err I mean Ronaldo.

jimorrizon

26-05-2006, 04:21:AM

This is the most recent pic I could find of Ronaldo:

Present, lol....

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3682/7234374784jh.jpg

WilliamFAlmeida

27-05-2006, 05:03:PM

look who's ready to lick his ba... uh... nevermind....

lol why did u post that pic, wow.

He's too skinny in that picture for the more recently fat Elvis....err I mean Ronaldo.

It's this pic recent cuz he look younger there?

I actually posted that picture because it was recently taken and it shows how skinny he actually is. He looks in shape for the WC....thats what I meant. It was taken from his recent vacation in Dubai, before traveling to Sweden.

Lean

27-05-2006, 07:01:PM

Sweden? You mean Switzerland, right?

jani

28-05-2006, 12:42:AM

he does look in great shape in that first pic :|

looks like Milan have found a replacement for Sheva ;)

Socrates

28-05-2006, 01:57:AM

']he does look in great shape in that first pic :|

looks like Milan have found a replacement for Sheva ;)

Yea, he has been waiting for the WC all season and now he decides to get fit because its time for the WC...thats how it goes.

You can have him, hopefully he has a great WC ( which he should ) than you guys can give us an assload of money for him. :ewan:

R.9

28-05-2006, 03:34:AM

']he does look in great shape in that first pic :|

looks like Milan have found a replacement for Sheva ;)

I am sure Milan would like to get Ronaldo but i hope he stay in Real Madrid.

jani

28-05-2006, 04:00:AM

I really think if Real were to let go of him, it'd be for cheap. Depends a lot on the WC though.

WilliamFAlmeida

28-05-2006, 07:48:PM

he's been in that shape all season. the doctors say he waighes 82kg, the coaches, the staff, he says it..but no one believes it. it's ridiculous really. If you see pictures of him training like the one of him sitting on the ball, everyone will once again say he's fat. In fact the press keep asking him about him being fat, and he got angry with them (understandably). It's just his neck really...

anyway,
Brasil beat flumenense's U20 13-1. They got scored on first after 5 minutes :kader: on a defensive mistake.

oh an yeah, it's switzerland...

Kibe Kru

29-05-2006, 04:49:PM

He weights 82. Good for him. but if you take a look at other attackers at about the same age and height, he's somewhat above average...

Ronaldo = 183cm, 82kg
Ljuboja (Serbia and Montenegro) = 182cm, 75kg
Klose (Germany) = 182cm, 74kg
Crespo (Argentina) = 185cm, 78kg
Borgetti (Mexico) = 182cm, 78kg
Morientes (Spain) = 182cm, 78kg......

All of those are within 3 years range from Ronaldo's age. All of those are strikers.

djgperu1

29-05-2006, 04:56:PM

i mean... is it that hard to loose 4 pounds? :rolleyes:

Luis Ah-Hoy

29-05-2006, 05:26:PM

Fat or no fat...

I think he'll be decisive for Brazil!

Lean

29-05-2006, 08:22:PM

He'll be on top shape at the start of it.

Kibe Kru

29-05-2006, 08:37:PM

The worst thing is that you're probably right, Grunger... I can only hope some croat can stop him for a month or two. Where's Dragan when you need him?

newbie original

30-05-2006, 05:57:PM

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3987/5638840717lc.th.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=5638840717lc.jpg)

Brazilian female fans dance to the samba outside the Thermoplan arena prior to the second Brazilian team training session in Weggis, central Switzerland on May 24, 2006.

Lean

31-05-2006, 08:43:PM

No donut for Edmilson. Knee injury, Mineiro is called for his place. Shame for him, and for us. Arguably our best defender when fit.

Kibe Kru

31-05-2006, 11:58:PM

hehe

Expect them bambis to come here and lick Mineiro's boots...

He's really being elevated to Chuck Norris level. I've heard them saying that "Pele was not mineiro (born in Minas Gerais state), Pele was Mineiro."

Daniel David

01-06-2006, 03:29:AM

Oh...sincere mixed feelings - I am happy for Mineiro but just as much (if not more) upset about Edmilson. It's a shame really, he is probably more solid than any of our centre-backs, and plays both DM and CB. I could see him even starting... :(. well, now we can only hope his knees wont't give him more trouble from now on (that injury that took him off Barça for so long, was it on right knee too?).

As for Mineiro, I could do some fancy comment on how he just popped up out of seemingly nowhere (first Yokohama '05, and now this - and remember he is already 30), but two weeks ago Belletti has put such things onto perspective ;). Nah, whatever - Godsped you Mineiro!

WilliamFAlmeida

01-06-2006, 05:57:PM

DAMN EDMILSON!!!! I love this guy, he's an awesome defender....he has the best "saida de bola"....sucks truly tragic

R.9

02-06-2006, 02:39:AM

A big bummer for Edmilson,sad to get injured just days before the WC :(

Lean

02-06-2006, 02:51:AM

And now our so called stars apparently lied to Parreira saying they would stay at the Hotel after the game against Luzern, and went to night clubs. Parreira told the press he knew about it.

I doubt that. After the mess involving Edmilson and Adriano, comes this. I heard on the radio, the news. It was comical - Emerson was interviewed on "how it went last night", and he said he was at the Hotel, resting. Then people showed him a pic of himself on a nightclub. He was so speechless...

Hopefully nothing too disturbing for our camp, even tho this is the best team we've had since 1982 by far and those morons are putting everything to lose if they keep it going this way.

PaPaGeorGeo

02-06-2006, 08:20:AM

Kibe Kru

02-06-2006, 10:08:AM

I believe you meant muscle weighs more than fat. It's not the fatness that annoys me. I'm fat myself (then again, I don't get in a year what he gets in a day... but I digress).

But to me it's not about the fatness. It's about laziness.

Oh, and R. Carlos' face after being asked about the news said it all. He also said he was at the hotel, then tried to make a half-arsed excuse...

Gene Reginato

02-06-2006, 12:53:PM

It was their day-off, where they were doesn't matter. It sells papers but it doesn't change anything.

Lean

02-06-2006, 04:47:PM

I dont have nothing against they having a day-off. However, you dont tell people you're staying at the Hotel and then go to a nightclub. Not to mention, i doubt players from other NT's are having the same behaviour.

WilliamFAlmeida

02-06-2006, 07:50:PM

they were only there for like 30 minutes...for most of the night they were at the hotel...and when R Carlos was asked he joked about it. He doesnt need to give anyone any explaination. He joked and said "yea, I got yelled at by my girlfriend already, but it's no big deal".
Ronaldo was more diplomatic "We dont have to explain anything to the media" (H)

Kibe Kru

02-06-2006, 10:40:PM

:boohoo: :nape:

Lean

03-06-2006, 03:52:AM

Half an hour, 15 mins, i dont care. They were caught lying, that's the problem. Oh, and btw, it seems we are already filming the documentary for the "Hexa".

That's why we never win it when we are the big favorites. I'm not too optimistic i must say.

WilliamFAlmeida

03-06-2006, 06:12:PM

yea, that kind of stuff is just ridiculous....Brasil are WAY too confident....

btw: I woudlnt call it a lie, it's a generalized statement.

R.9

04-06-2006, 02:43:AM

Kibe Kru

04-06-2006, 07:35:AM

btw: I woudlnt call it a lie, it's a generalized statement.
If they went to the training ground to practice for 5 mins, they'd tell the press they were training that night.

They said they stayed at the hotel, which they didn't. That's a lie.

WilliamFAlmeida

05-06-2006, 05:35:PM

nah, youre just being pessimistic.. If Fowler said that youd say "well they DID stay at the hotel the whole night..."

Kibe Kru

05-06-2006, 06:25:PM

Facts are facts, mate. If Fowler went to a club, denied it and then there were pictures of him in a club, he lied, and I'd say he did lie. Why Fowler's name was mentioned though is beyond me.

Players said they were at the hotel the whole night = fact.
They were at a club = fact.
Now there's something wrong... what happened?
a) They were at a club in the hotel - not correct.
b) They lied.

Get over it, it ain't the end of the world.

WilliamFAlmeida

05-06-2006, 08:47:PM

Im just saying...
it seems both are true. There werent asked if they went to the bar, they were asked where they were...
and I dont know about you, but if people are trying to keep track of what you are doing every hour of every day, I would more than likely give a general answer so they can get off my @$$....
know what I mean?

Lean

05-06-2006, 09:57:PM

Fair point, but as a superstar, that's something you have to withstand, and get used to.

WilliamFAlmeida

08-06-2006, 03:26:PM

on to a bit of news: Ronaldo has a fever and wont train today.
I expect him to be subbed early in the opening game beause of fitness. It will be good to see Adriano and Robinho work, they have good understanding.

Luis Ah-Hoy

09-06-2006, 11:19:AM

Kibe Kru

09-06-2006, 12:24:PM

25.000 gathering to watch Brazil training...

This just prove that "theory" that i'm always trying to defend, even tho it shouldn't even be necessary for me to do that, since it's a fact: :rolleyes:
Just what are you trying to do here then?

"Brazil is considered, and is actually the most talented NT in the World... that's why, they're often the hot favourites in almost every WC"
Considered by who? "Most people"? Most people voted Bush for president.

25.000 don't gather to see experience and good defence... 25.000 gather to see a display of the most talented players int the World... (H)
Was that supposed to make any sense? It's a freaking training session.

If it's only talent what makes people go to training sessions, and Brazil has the most talented players, we'd have lots of people in training sessions in every brazilian club. Do we? Even on matches. Which one has the best average attendance, the german league or the brazilian one? Yeah, thought so.

I'm pretty sure you can go to bed without another ownage. I'm giving you the chance to do just that. :rolleyes:

Luis Ah-Hoy

09-06-2006, 01:41:PM

Just what are you trying to do here then?

Considered by who? "Most people"? Most people voted Bush for president.

I'm not trying.... I'm saying it! :)
George W. Bush is supported by powerful industrial interests, gazillions of dollars at stake... Brazil isn't supported by anything near that... they're recognized because they're worth it, not because a bunch of people like me, decided to name them as the best in the World!!! They have proved it to anyone who wants to see... so, what ARE YOU trying to do here? :rolleyes:

Was that supposed to make any sense? It's a freaking training session.

If it's only talent what makes people go to training sessions, and Brazil has the most talented players, we'd have lots of people in training sessions in every brazilian club. Do we? Even on matches. Which one has the best average attendance, the german league or the brazilian one? Yeah, thought so.

I'm pretty sure you could go to bed without another ownage. I'm giving you the chance to do just that. :rolleyes:

"Another ownage"??!! Why, did you own me before? Because really i can't recall... I only quit the previous discussion, cause i got T-I-R-E-D of the arguing, and my english is way worse than yours, so you basically won by your persistence and your superior ability to express yourself in good english; i'm still learning, but gettin' better everyday... (H)
And that previous discussion really came in a bad period for me... i wasn't in the mood to continue, so i just quit the discussion... my last words were not words of dismay... you didn't own me! :rofl:
You really think you did?! :amika:
You even had some other guy (Nim... something), that was cheerleading for your posts, but even so... you didn't own me; well you can think you did! That's not a problem... :rolleyes:

If any brazilian club was up to a major tournament, with the magnitude, importance and with the pompous of a WC; if any brazilian club had all the talents of the BRAZILIAN NT, then 25.000 people would gather to see this club training... :)

Comparing a brazilian club's average attendance with a German one, is ridiculous, and will not help you in this particular discussion... that will raise other discussions, that have nothing to do with this subject... my point remains: Brazil is the most talented NT, that's why people admire them so much, and that's why they 25.000 gathered to see their training session...

Oh, and... that Bush analogy... wow... :rolleyes:

Kibe Kru

09-06-2006, 03:13:PM

I didn't THINK I owned you, Grunger did though. Go back to the thread and read what he posted.

I KNOW I owned you.

And another ownage on its way...... you can read portuguese, please visit the link...

http://esportes.terra.com.br/futebol/copa2006/selecoes/interna/0,,OI1029508-EI5580,00.html

Germany got 42200 for a training session... Plenty of talent, the Germans. That's why they're hot favourites. They have the most talented players.

Germany is the most talented NT, that's why people admire them so much, and that's why 42.200 gathered to see their training session... :rolleyes:

Hendrik

09-06-2006, 03:21:PM

Kibe Kru

09-06-2006, 03:30:PM

Well it's the home nation...the thing is the 25,000 were mostly non-Brazilians.

What's the point you're trying to make? Every kid knows Brazil is the most talented NT in the world that's why people even go to their training sessions to see the likes of Ronaldinho, Adrinao, Kaka etc. kicking the ball. It was even broadcasted here.
Well, you can't be sure how many brazilians were among the 25000... There are about 30 thousand brazilians living in Germany, plus the ones visiting just for the world cup.

Of course I know Brazil is the most talented NT. The thing is that talent by itself doesn't make 25000 people go there to see them. If it was true, then we'd have 25000 everytime someone in the streets was doing keepy uppies.They went there to see a team that won the World Cup, players that are successful. Talent wins nothing by itself, and you as a german know that.

The thing is that Ahoy wanted to tease me after the discussion we had in another thread. There I said that if talent won the matches by itself, we'd see Nigeria and Senegal as world beaters. If there's no defense and experience, there's no titles. But he seems to disagree with that...

Luis Ah-Hoy

09-06-2006, 03:46:PM

Nope... you didn't own me! Yeah, Grunger maybe... but i'm not interested in starting a fight just because of that... i can live with that ownage... because i recognize HE DID own me... so i'll just keep it that way... :)
But YOU? You never owned me, u wish you had maybe, i dunno... :funny:

Isn't Germany the Host nation?! :confused:
So... how many people are there in Germany, that are willing to demonstrate their support and want to see their countrymen (and why not, local heros) training? And yes, Germany NT isn't as talented as Brazil's... but they're still a very good NT, and they're still title contenders, and i'll remind you once again: the WC is in GERMANY... Germany, is the Germans nation... so, it's natural that their NT register the largest attendance at training sessions. You know (or do you? I'm not not so sure now... =/) and everybody knows darn well that the German's are very supportive of their NT... and this time, it's even more evident... they're playing at home... Brazil NT is more talented that Germany's, but that doesn't mean that IN GERMANY, their training attendance numbers will surpass Germany's... :rolleyes:

So... leaving behind this useless Germany vs Brazil training attendance arguing, now tell me, which other foreign nation has registered the attendance numbers in training as Brazil's? Maybe some other has, but you first lemme know which, then we'll talk again... :ewan:

Luis Ah-Hoy

09-06-2006, 03:57:PM

Of course I know Brazil is the most talented NT. The thing is that talent by itself doesn't make 25000 people go there to see them. If it was true, then we'd have 25000 everytime someone in the streets was doing keepy uppies.They went there to see a team that won the World Cup, players that are successful. Talent wins nothing by itself, and you as a german know that....

I already explained that, it's not just about the talent, but also about the pompous of the event and all that stuff... i dunno what keepy upies is, but certainly that it isn't comparable to a training session envolving the arguably best NT in the world (in the road to a WC!!!), which many of those people that went there, doesn't watch very often... :rolleyes:

There I said that if talent won the matches by itself, we'd see Nigeria and Senegal as world beaters. If there's no defense and experience, there's no titles. But he seems to disagree with that...

And i never said that talent won the matches by itself, so... why are poiting this? :confused:

"If there's no defense and experience, there's no titles."
Duhhhh... :rolleyes:

Where in any of my posts, i seem to disagree with that? :confused:

Kibe Kru

09-06-2006, 06:28:PM

You mentioned you were "T-I-R-E-D", I guess you're not anymore. Why bring this sh!t up every now and then?

Calling people dumbasses (here (http://www.soccergaming.tv/showpost.php?p=2067811&postcount=71)) because they don't agree with you also is quite telling about your personality.

And i never said that talent won the matches by itself, so... why are poiting this?
Please refer to the last part of this (http://www.soccergaming.tv/showpost.php?p=2063107&postcount=186). I don't feel like going through it again

So... leaving behind this useless Germany vs Brazil training attendance arguing, now tell me, which other foreign nation has registered the attendance numbers in training as Brazil's? Maybe some other has, but you first lemme know which, then we'll talk again... :ewan:
When has training attendance become the way we rate the nation? That was the point I was trying to make when I mentioned Germany's attendance.

Attendance numbers just show how hyped up the nation is, mainly by the media. Proof? Britney Spears took 200k to Rock in Rio. Guns'n Roses took 180k. Neil Young took 125k. Britney was overhyped by the media, hence the bigger numbers. More talent? I don't think so.

Oh, and if we ain't gonna talk again if I don't mention which nation had more supporters in their training sessions, I'll try my very best not to find out any.

I thought we weren't gonna go through this until after the world cup. Well, I won't get into it anymore.

Luis Ah-Hoy

09-06-2006, 07:50:PM

When has training attendance become the way we rate the nation? That was the point I was trying to make when I mentioned Germany's attendance.

Attendance numbers just show how hyped up the nation is, mainly by the media. Proof? Britney Spears took 200k to Rock in Rio. Guns'n Roses took 180k. Neil Young took 125k. Britney was overhyped by the media, hence the bigger numbers. More talent? I don't think so.

Oh, and if we ain't gonna talk again if I don't mention which nation had more supporters in their training sessions, I'll try my very best not to find out any.

I thought we weren't gonna go through this until after the world cup. Well, I won't get into it anymore.

Anyone who doesn't recognize Brazilian's players superior talent as their trump card, and argue that it's their experience and good defence that makes the difference, between them and other NT's is a dumbass! :rolleyes:

I mentioned the 25.000 people, because it's a very huge attendance, for any training session (and don't come again with the number from the German training session; that was discussed already)...

Quoting -Vince-
"Every kid knows Brazil is the most talented NT in the world that's why people even go to their training sessions to see the likes of Ronaldinho, Adrinao, Kaka etc. kicking the ball. It was even broadcasted here."

Vince don't know for sure, how many brazilians were there in the crowd, neither do you... but one thing is for sure: it's still a huge attendance!!! And when they were filming parts of the crowd in and out the stadium, it didn't seem to me that there were so many brazilians there, but then again, i also can't be sure just because of that, so... let's leave this...

A guy was being interviewed, after (or during) the training session... i think he was a Russian... he said this:
"I came here to see Ronaldinho and company... it's a pleasure to see such skilful players... they really delight the crowds!"

Coming from a not-brazilian, and that's says it all, really.... brazil are delightful to watch... they're the best, and in training, they're even more delightful to watch!!!

Yeah, i WAS tired... and i'm getting tired now also... but anyway... i'm going to see Poland's game now! Peace...

Kibe Kru

09-06-2006, 08:12:PM

Anyone who doesn't recognize Brazilian's players superior talent as their trump card, and argue that it's their experience and good defence that makes the difference, between them and other NT's is a dumbass! :rolleyes:

Welcome to my ignore list, first time it'll be used. Not even Liternit got there.

Just to make it clear, and don't bother answering to this, I won't be able to read your answer, if the defence and experience don't make the difference, play 10 16 yrs old attackers.

Luis Ah-Hoy

09-06-2006, 09:25:PM

How dramatic... :rolleyes:

I never said that defence and experience don't make the difference... what i meant is that in Brazil's case, it's not because of their defence and their experience that they're considered the strongest NT; in their case, it's not that what makes the difference! But this guy never understand anything i say... :nape:

Kibe Kru

10-06-2006, 05:22:AM

Ok, I may hate the guy, but this was just priceless:

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/esporte/ult92u102977.shtml

After getting to know our president Lula asked Parreira about his weight, Ronaldo said this:

"Everybody says he drinks a lot. It's a lie that I'm overweight just as much as it must be a lie that he likes to drink a lot."

I still dislike him, but I think he just went up in my respect scale.

WilliamFAlmeida

10-06-2006, 10:42:PM

see class haha ;)

"Acompanhei os primeiros jogos ontem e os resultados foram previsíveis, como a vitória da Alemanha e do Equador. Hoje a Argentina também deve vencer, mas com um pouco mais de dificuldade", disse o lateral brasileiro. - Cafu

He knows his $#!t, Im glad he's the captain over Emerson

WilliamFAlmeida

10-06-2006, 11:02:PM

Of course I know Brazil is the most talented NT. The thing is that talent by itself doesn't make 25000 people go there to see them. If it was true, then we'd have 25000 everytime someone in the streets was doing keepy uppies.They went there to see a team that won the World Cup, players that are successful. Talent wins nothing by itself, and you as a german know that.

im going to have to politely disagree and say that neither you nor I know the reason why 25000 individuals choose anything. :jap: (H)

But if we were to make guesses Id say people wanted to see the stars...And people believe that Brasil is the most talented. That's the current voice of the people
not that many showed up to the french/Italian/Protuguese/argentinian/English training camps, even though they are very talented.

Please dont own me anymore Kibe :fluffy: :hit: :junior: :$