So Em actually won Best Rap Album last night? F*ck, even his worst stuff is better than everyone else?

yeah,that sucks... and best rap song? any Drake song >>>>>
album? clipse?

So Em actually won Best Rap Album last night? F*ck, even his worst stuff is better than everyone else?

That's a joke. Cuban Linx 2 should have won. At least in my opinion.

Yeah I was asking genuinely, surely something was better than Relapse...

Q-Tip, anyone?

Eminem! (H)

What a legend. I've been listening to him very much lately. He's just on another level.

In football terms, he's just like Messi. :D

Q-Tip, anyone?
Yeah Kamaal is a damn good album...I still prefer his solo debut with Amplified but this work is also great, very introspective lyrics wise and musically ecletic.

I miss ATCQ though...

Well that's funny, cause I think his 2008 album The Renaissance(which he also got his Grammy nomination for) is his definatly his best. Not too fond of the other two albums.

I do agree with you on ATCQ, though. His solo work doesn't even come close to something like The Low End Theory, but there aren't many hip-hop albums that do, so that's okay. I find myself listening alot to ATCQ lately.

Eminem! (H)

What a legend. I've been listening to him very much lately. He's just on another level.

In football terms, he's just like Messi. :D

He hasn't done ANYTHING good since The Eminem Show. That album came out the summer after I graduated from High School. He's probably more like Michael Owen.

Totally agree Dan, anything Eminem ever did that was good was before that, Without Me - The Eminem Show.

I mean for ****s sake, Encore is one of the worst albums ive ever had the displeasure of hearing.

If you really want your Messi comparison, Lil' Wayne is probably the best comparison for a current rapper. Child prodigy turned into the best in the world.

Meh...

Meh...

I can see how someone who thinks Eminem is still relevant wouldn't think Weezy is any good. Just know that you don't know anything. That's the most powerful knowledge there is. Ask Socrates.

Actually, I'm not a big fan of rap. But, I think that some of the songs of Eminem are just a masterpiece. I do listen to other rappers as well such as Jay Z, or even Lil Wayne and like some of their songs, but personally, I do consider Eminem the greatest out there. Anyhow, I know that my opinion is not that much 'professional'. :D

Actually, I'm not a big fan of rap. But, I think that some of the songs of Eminem are just a masterpiece. I do listen to other rappers as well such as Jay Z, or even Lil Wayne and like some of their songs, but personally, I do consider Eminem the greatest out there. Anyhow, I know that my opinion is not that much 'professional'. :D

It depends on what you're listening to. If it's Eminem Show or earlier, then yeah, he's great. If it's anything after 2002, then no, he's garbage. The only exception that I know of is his verse on this song (and btw, Game is nasty as hell on it too):

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I started making a list of hip-hop artists/groups who have had albums better than anything Em has put out since 2002, but it was too long.

EDIT: **** it... From my collection only:

Atmosphere, Brother Ali, Chamillionaire, Clipse, Common, The Coup, Cunninlynguists, The Game, Ghostface Killah, GZA, Jay-Z, Jedi Mind Tricks, Kanye West (YES, EVEN ******* KANYE AS A RAPPER), Lil Wayne, Ludacris, Lupe Fiasco, MF Doom, Mos Def (you can argue this one, The New Danger isn't for everyone), Murs, Nas, One Be Lo, Outkast, Raekwon, The Roots, T.I., Talib Kweli.

There's a ton of **** I don't have, but since January 1, 2003, there are 26 artists that are better than Eminem in my collection alone.

It depends on what you're listening to. If it's Eminem Show or earlier, then yeah, he's great. If it's anything after 2002, then no, he's garbage.

Yeah, I was talking about the older stuff.

Some of it is true Nim, but some of the names you throw there just come down to personal taste... But yeah I do agree Eminem once was much better... Actually that's why I started the argument over the Grammy he won...

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The German King of Rap Kool Savas presents the "Futurama United Nations RMX" feat. S.A.S. (United Kingdom), Ceza (Turkey), Curse (Germany), Greis (Switzerland), Havoc of Mobb Deep (USA), Kaz Money (Arabia), Azad (Germany), additional Vocals by Moe Mitchell, prod. by Kool Savas & Ronald Mack Donald.
Nice stuff

LOL at "Havoc of Mobb Deep"

If it ain't Prodigy it ain't worth ****.

LOL at "Havoc of Mobb Deep"

If it ain't Prodigy it ain't worth ****.

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Best hip hop song ever.

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Best hip hop song ever.

Just listened to the album yesterday.

While we're on Queensbridge:

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Shook Ones Part II was a really good song.

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Best hip hop song ever.

Thanks man, I was looking to get into some rap that was good and I'm going to listen to this dude's album.

Well to be fair, Shook Ones Part 2 is a classic song, and nothing else on that album comes close to it.

I've been hooked on A Tribe Called Quest for some months now. They've frankly become my favourite hip hop group and The Low End Theory has become my favourite hip hop album.

Been listening to J. Cole's Warm Up mixtape, cool stuff (Y)

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Eminem's Recovery. My God.

^ So true. Love this ones:
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Still the King.

I'm not that into rap music, but I must say, this B.o.B album is ******* awesome. Great track after great track. Don't know why, but somehow this reminds me of some of the bit older Kanye material.

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I fear for the lives of every single 16 year old boy in her high-school.

No WAY!!!!

Holy ******* **** she's hot. I guess Kim was too.

Oh.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/01/eminems-daughternot-twitter-hoaxer-returns_n_1467719.html

Oh. :( My bad. But the twitter being fake doesn't mean the pics are? My bad again if they are. It does raise the question of her current appearance though, and she will be 17 this year (Christmas day, wikipedia'ed it).

Well to be fair, Shook Ones Part 2 is a classic song, and nothing else on that album comes close to it.

that whole album is classic, nothing like mobb pre g-unit.

the infamous, murda muzik, tracks on the clue mixtapes.

I've been hooked on A Tribe Called Quest for some months now. They've frankly become my favourite hip hop group and The Low End Theory has become my favourite hip hop album.

tribe is one of my favorites, de la soul too if we are taking it back to the early 90's.

redman is the s**t though.

If you really want your Messi comparison, Lil' Wayne is probably the best comparison for a current rapper. Child prodigy turned into the best in the world.

best in the world ?

cmon now, i think you went a little too far on this one.

please dont tell me drake is your favorite artist too.

even jay on his grown up tip cant be touched, not by wayne or any other artist from 04 till now.

wish id have found this thread months ago, i have hard drives full of classic albums, but nothing from 05 till now because its all commercial sell out booth thug rappers.

& just to touch on the eminem posts, if its anything after the marshall mathers album, i wont touch it & please dont tell me i dont know what im missing, cause i do.

Why do you say that? (the part about Em)

Why do you say that? (the part about Em)

to me his first 2 albums displayed the real eminem, once he released that garbage w/ d12 then hooked up w/ 50 he changed his whole steez.

everything after the marshall mathers lp doesnt sound good to me.
he got on that super hard tip due to joining up w/ 50.

at first he was a funny rapper, albums that had real hip hop to them, making fun of pop music, the second he gets a real gangsta behing him he starts going after rappers like ja rule.

dude seems fake as s**t to me, hes not respected, so i cant respect his music & now he is commercial like the rest.
he has word play, but im just not that impressed, same goes for wayne.

best in the world ?

cmon now, i think you went a little too far on this one.

please dont tell me drake is your favorite artist too.

even jay on his grown up tip cant be touched, not by wayne or any other artist from 04 till now.

Bro, that post was written 2.5 years ago. Before Drizzay and all the bull****. Think Carter III was his most recent, and only a few years off all that mixtape success and Carter II.

to me his first 2 albums displayed the real eminem, once he released that garbage w/ d12 then hooked up w/ 50 he changed his whole steez.

everything after the marshall mathers lp doesnt sound good to me.
he got on that super hard tip due to joining up w/ 50.

at first he was a funny rapper, albums that had real hip hop to them, making fun of pop music, the second he gets a real gangsta behing him he starts going after rappers like ja rule.

dude seems fake as s**t to me, hes not respected, so i cant respect his music & now he is commercial like the rest.
he has word play, but im just not that impressed, same goes for wayne.

I agree with you on Em, and Wayne now as well, but I like the Eminem Show. Still that **** was like 10 years ago.

I really can't stand anything after about 05 either with the exception of Kanye who is already making a serious case for GOAT. Jay... give me a break, he's not even top 5 NYC rappers in his generations, and generations come FAST in this industry.

Nas, Big, Big L, Pun, and Ghostface or Raekwon were/are all vastly superior. Jay is solid, but he's a product of commercialization and sales at a time when a LOT of dirty tricks were hyping up ****ty artists with unbelievable opening weeks. NO LIMIT. I respect Reasonable Doubt, Volume 1, Blueprint, and Black Album (and WTT), but at his best Jay couldn't touch those 5 I listed. Jay wasn't putting out Illmatic or Ready to Die or the Purple Tape. He couldn't, he didn't have that kind of ability. He had a verse on Lifestyles ov da Poor and Dangerous and was... not great.

I'm almost never going to agree with anything bad said about Em, but I can understand it. Granted, Relapse was a piece of garbage but still, his last album has a couple of great records in it. Perhaps not pure hip-hop, so I think I get where you guys are coming from.

I think his flow has completely fallen off, and his lyrics are much worse, not to mention that he lacks any passion that was the reason why he got famous in the first place.

I agree with you on Em, and Wayne now as well, but I like the Eminem Show. Still that **** was like 10 years ago.

I really can't stand anything after about 05 either with the exception of Kanye who is already making a serious case for GOAT. Jay... give me a break, he's not even top 5 NYC rappers in his generations, and generations come FAST in this industry.

Nas, Big, Big L, Pun, and Ghostface or Raekwon were/are all vastly superior. Jay is solid, but he's a product of commercialization and sales at a time when a LOT of dirty tricks were hyping up ****ty artists with unbelievable opening weeks. NO LIMIT. I respect Reasonable Doubt, Volume 1, Blueprint, and Black Album (and WTT), but at his best Jay couldn't touch those 5 I listed. Jay wasn't putting out Illmatic or Ready to Die or the Purple Tape. He couldn't, he didn't have that kind of ability. He had a verse on Lifestyles ov da Poor and Dangerous and was... not great.

i love nas, but i feel that any album after it was written just didnt have the quality of illmatic or it was written, stillmatic might be the only album close.

rae, big l & pun were beasts, i never really like ghost that much, though he was one of the better wu artists.

jays albums you listed above are some of my all time favorites, reasonable doubt w/o a doubt.

big & pac are in a league of their own, but jays words are forever untouchable, ill flow, sick metaphors, the fact not 1 track was ever written to a piece of paper is qualification to be the best hands down.

he did have a verse on l's album, but you arent supposed to outshine an artist on his album, especially when the artist is of l's quality.

I'm almost never going to agree with anything bad said about Em, but I can understand it. Granted, Relapse was a piece of garbage but still, his last album has a couple of great records in it. Perhaps not pure hip-hop, so I think I get where you guys are coming from.

for me when a man changes who he is over a 7 month period, he doesnt know who he is, i cant respect that, be you & be true to yourself.

not to mention that he lacks any passion that was the reason why he got famous in the first place.

this is the case w/ any artist, once they tastes success you will never get the same product again.

the reason i dont listen to anything now is there is no content in the tracks.
they are catchy but they dont say anything.

i remember when a tracks content was the struggle, a definition of what the artist stood for & the way of life that everyone from the class of life could relate to.

now its artists who sign a deal who get an advance the size of the earnings an artists first album would generate 10 years ago.

w/ advances like that the hunger is gone, hence the garbage you hear on the radio today.

take drake for example, swears he is a hood thug when we all know he was on tv making bucks for a few years then signed w/ wayne & got an advance
that was ridiculous so he has nothing to talk about but girls, rims & trips.


everyone is a booth thug thats on the radio now, w/ the exception of the few who still spit from when rap was good, though they have fell off considerably they sell records off name alone & maino, maino is a real g.

this i why i bump budden, his albums may be trash based off what industry standards require but his mixtapes are disgusting & once you listen to them you wont stop.
his word play is as ill as jays is, his content is that of the glory days same as his metaphors, dude is just nasty.

youtube some of these budden tracks.

All Of Me
Downfall
Dumb Out
Forgive Me
Just To Be Different
Never Again
So Long Goodbye
Stained
Un4Given

if your a fan of hip hop you will feel these tracks.

I agree about Eminem falling off. After Marshal Mathers LP, I pretty much gave up on his music. I hate that angry, incoherent rap he spouts now. It wasn't his style for more than a decade yet now that's all he does.

Also agree that Jay Z is incredibly overrated. I would go as far as to give Black Rob the nod over Jay and he only had one good album! He is just all hype and no substance. His lyrics often don't make sense, and at times it doesn't even seem like he's trying anymore or he's just not that talented. I'm a huge Nas fan but I think after Illmatic, he also lost his touch.

That said, I stopped listening to rap year ago (sans Lupe Fiasco, J. Cole, Wale & Kanye here and there), it just seems like the whole genre is in a downward spiral and I don't even want to know what's new with rap.

Anybody here listen Die Antwoord? I don't listen rap much, but "Enter the Ninja (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcMHkvEVgVo)" and "I Fink U Freeky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Uee_mcxvrw)" from Die Antwoord are infectious. :innocent_smile_1: Die Antwoord is more like techno-rap, I guess... and their videos are wicked.

Yeah, I forgot to mention Lupe along with Kanye. LOOOOOVE Lupe Fiasco.

RIP Adam Yauch.

Legend, RIP

i love nas, but i feel that any album after it was written just didnt have the quality of illmatic or it was written, stillmatic might be the only album close

I'm a bit of a stan for Nas, I have to admit. God's Son and Hip Hop is Dead were both pretty great to me. He fell off with I Am... and Nastradamous right when Jay was getting big, which is where he blew it.

big & pac are in a league of their own, but jays words are forever untouchable, ill flow, sick metaphors, the fact not 1 track was ever written to a piece of paper is qualification to be the best hands down.

I disagree, I don't think his words are that good. I also have a real problem with artists who do this. And it's not just Jay, a LOT of much less talented artists do it too like Wayne. Sometimes you can strike gold with this kind of stuff, but collecting your thoughts and saying what you want to say exactly how you want to say it is the best way. Think Biggie just spit the first thing in his head? **** no.

he did have a verse on l's album, but you arent supposed to outshine an artist on his album, especially when the artist is of l's quality.

That's the point, Jay isn't of that quality. It's not really a knock, those guys are in like the top 0.1% of rappers, but he isn't there. Eminem murdered him on his own ****. Jay tried to respond like Oochie Wally was a serious track.

That myth of Eminem murdering Hov on 'Renegade' must cease. Also 'Renegade' really was Bad Meets Evil song to begin with, then Em and Royce the 5'9 fell out.

Yes I'm a longtime Jay-Z and I have him as the greatest in my list.

You seriously think Jay was just as good as Eminem on Renegade?

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No waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. Eminem is smooth as butter, Jay-Z is choppy.

The song is more tailored to Eminem both because he produced it and it was his to begin with. Em has a really crazy flow so it sound awesome but Jay-Z spat some really dope stuff. I bet everything he knew people would be saying Eminem killed him hence the opening lines, I call equal.

I'd pay anything to see a full collabo set with these two. Jay-Z and Kanye set was amazing, but these two...alone for two hours...****

Meh, they're washed up. WTT was a Kanye album in my opinion.

They can still bring the energy and listening to the biggest hits from Em and Jay at the same time?

Oh, I thought you meant they should put out an album. Yeah, they would be sick on tour.

A friend of mine actually posted a Kanye and Jay WTT live set from Greensboro on my fantasy football message board last year. 45 tracks. It's insane. And they do Niggas in Paris 3 times at the end.

The WTT tour was amazing. In LA and Boston they actually did 'People of color in Paris' 11x. Crowd still got hyped up each time.

I went to the Eminem/Jay-Z in 2010, they didn't do much together but it was still a good concert.

That song is just amazing. Why does Kanye have to wear a ******* dress in the video?

He wore it during the entire tour! I found it weird too, I guess since WTT was all about Givenchy/Ricardo Tisci (the album and singles artwork, the wardrobe etc) he decided to go full retard on it.

Kanye seems to be a big fan of more obscure design clothing. And he can actually pull it off.

I spent the day listening to Dark Twisted Fantasy. It's insane. I think I mentioned before that I don't know to which extent it's exactly rap/hip-hop, but it's brilliant.

the reason i dont listen to anything now is there is no content in the tracks.
they are catchy but they dont say anything.

i remember when a tracks content was the struggle, a definition of what the artist stood for & the way of life that everyone from the class of life could relate to.

now its artists who sign a deal who get an advance the size of the earnings an artists first album would generate 10 years ago.

w/ advances like that the hunger is gone, hence the garbage you hear on the radio today.
I couldn't have expressed it better, my thoughts as well.

Rap is dead as dead can be, some very very minor exceptions. I thought Eminem was funny and had some good tracks in his first two albums, but I was simply annoyed by his voice after a while.
Also agree that Jay Z is incredibly overrated. I would go as far as to give Black Rob the nod over Jay and he only had one good album! He is just all hype and no substance. His lyrics often don't make sense, and at times it doesn't even seem like he's trying anymore or he's just not that talented. I'm a huge Nas fan but I think after Illmatic, he also lost his touch.

That said, I stopped listening to rap year ago (sans Lupe Fiasco, J. Cole, Wale & Kanye here and there), it just seems like the whole genre is in a downward spiral and I don't even want to know what's new with rap.It's A Hard Knock Life, Big Pimpin...I love, all his other stuff is just aight, nothing great. Nas is in a league of his own a top with the greats IMO.

After mid-2000's, you tell me a rapper that was big after those years I would probably be like...What? Who Dat? And even if I know them, it's probably garbage = commercial rap. That includes Lupe, Kanye, a Lil' Wayne who I liked in the beginning but just became unlistenable for me after they made it "big".

Hey skip, you fond of Control Machete, Cartel de Santa? :browsmiley:

I used to listen to Control Machete when I was in high school, but haven't really kept up with them after that.

Yeah, Fermin (lead) left the band and became a new-born christian, thug-gone-priest, WEIRD. Pato (the chubby dude) kept with his solo career and the other guy probably mixes music and works with other lesser known rap groups.

How could I forget to mention my all-time favorites. Nobody will ever come even close to touching these guys...

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