and the Fifa vs PES discussion has began once more... and its fiercier than ever..

could this finally be the time for Fifa after a few years of PES domination?
my guess is that Wolfs action will have repercutions(?)..

anyway ppl have forgotten something important.. Total Club Manager 06.. is there any manager game for PES? i think not... it's starting to be WAY TO MANY things in favor of Fifa...

I hate super power companys with all the market but i guess Konami asked for it..

Useless poll, FIFA 2006 is the same crap as 2001, 2003, 2004 and 2005. I doubt it it would reach PES even in 20 years. Also, wrong section mate. There is a whole forum dedicated for PES vs FIFA discussions.

Anyway, the only thing in FIFA's favour is the music (for some people) and the licenses. Nothing more. NOTHING.

Fifa06 is still behind but it goes to the right directions finally...

I played a lot of games these 2 days and can definetly say that fifa cant compare we9 in gameplay yet...Fifa dont have deep gameplay..You get bored to quick...

Crosses are silly in fifa, shooting also....The game is way to quick, when you pass the ball you think that ball is on ice.....

First of all i move this to right server. Secondly TCM2006 is a completely other game and is not fifa. And konami has realased a great Manager game. THe only thing in favour of Fifa is commentary (maybe they have screwed that 2 dunno) and the liscenes.

But you can't judge these games you haven't tried any of them...

Just played the Fifa 2006 demo and imo its the same old ****. Doesnt feel like football , feels like im playing on an ice rink. Graphics and gameplay truly suck also.

First game i beat ac milan 3 - 0 - although noobs will enjoy this as always.

fifa isnt even out yet so its impossible to judge. The demo gameplay doesnt even beat pes4 so i cant see it being better than pes9. but for me it looks like it may be fifa. I hate having to install patches etc. I support Norwich so i cant be bothered having to spend hours editing the game to get them into the game. I will buy fifa then get pes at xmas or after. I wont vote until they are both out though

Fifa is good for young players who dont care about gameplay...
Fifa06 is good for relax and if you are not to pretentious...

But for hardcore soccer fan fifa06 is total crap(long passing, ice feeling ball, shooting, player movement) and cant compare to we9...

i say comment and vote when you play the final build of both games and not judge on the demo. Even though I havent played either of them I wont come out and say which one is better than the other. But I say just wait and try out both games and then give an opinion.

You're saying TCM is a manager game. Hahahahahaha :rofl: . It's just a second Fifa and fifa was already crap.

Just try PES and FM one time and you'll feel the realness of it. Believe me I was a FIFA fan before aswell but I was converted and I'm quite happy that that happened.

i say comment and vote when you play the final build of both games and not judge on the demo. Even though I havent played either of them I wont come out and say which one is better than the other. But I say just wait and try out both games and then give an opinion.


I totally agree with you man.

You're saying TCM is a manager game. Hahahahahaha :rofl: . It's just a second Fifa and fifa was already crap.

Just try PES and FM one time and you'll feel the realness of it. Believe me I was a FIFA fan before aswell but I was converted and I'm quite happy that that happened.

Can I ask a question. Why do you guys keep using the word "converted"? I mean you guys are starting to scare me because why would anyone want to be converted into anything? :)

i say comment and vote when you play the final build of both games and not judge on the demo. Even though I havent played either of them I wont come out and say which one is better than the other. But I say just wait and try out both games and then give an opinion.

but if i give u a preview of my sh1t on a plate and i give you a preview of a delicious dish and you must choose now. You still say ill wait untill i taste both???

is there any manager game for PES?

yes. there is a game call Winning Eleven Tactics

Can I ask a question. Why do you guys keep using the word "converted"? I mean you guys are starting to scare me because why would anyone want to be converted into anything? :)

What's wrong with converting aslong as it has good endings. Like convincing people to play the real footy game rather then this commercial wannabe football game.

What's wrong with converting aslong as it has good endings. Like convincing people to play the real footy game rather then this commercial wannabe football game.

I dunno the word converting is like something you'll use when someone converts religion or into somesort of worshiping clan type deal.

I just think useing the word "converting" in regards to videogames just shows that some people don't have lifes and have to convince people to convert for another game, I dunno it just sounds kinda g.a.y but hey people do and say what they want.

Of course not directed to anyone in mind just in general.

I played WE7 on the pc (it was a direct conversion of the PS game) & i have to say i prefer fifa by a mile. But i put this to the fact that scoring is a whole lot easier in fifa & the controls weren't configured well for pc. But it was obvious to me that even WE7 was way better than fifa 2005. Now i'm sitting back & waiting for fifa 06 & PES5 :)

mind u, WE7 on the pc was a terrible conversion from PS... the ball physics were terrible and the pitch seemed weird... u may want to try WE8 on PC which is by all means the most decent soccer game around...

I would probably get PES because its made for the pc anyway.

PES is so good that you lost the bigest fun! (welcome Wolf)
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Bro i think u mean "FAN" not "FUN"

PES 5!!

I was a "fifa addicted",but usually plays a PES 4 and watching the "fifa 06 demo"... pes...

you said PES before the demo it released,without see demo!!
:boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo:

so idiot people
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

A football game couldn't be more worthless than what Fifa 05 was. Didn't have any ball physics what so ever, it was like playing with a bowling ball.

Fifa 06 is totally different. Not as good physics as PES but it's okay. The animations sucks sometimes, but they've got loads of them and you can only tell that they suck when they change, ie that little time in between running and the dribbling.

One thing i love about fifa 06 is that the forwards don't run and attack you as fast as you're calming down the tempo in the game by passing it between the defenders. I hate that you can't do that in PES, to slowly build up your game from behind. You could in PES3, but not PES4.

Oh, and you can really really tell the animations suck when you're shooting. That just looks and feels baaaaad.

PES5 will probably be a lot better than Fifa 06, but that doesn't mean fifa 06 is bad cos PES is just the best it gets. I'll deffo play both a lot.

i play fifa to get the full football experience, and pes when i want realism and a guy named Farzel Horst in my team :rolleyes:

i play fifa to get the full football experience, and pes when i want realism and a guy named Farzel Horst in my team :rolleyes:

Sarcasm all over it. I prefer realism and gameplay over licenses and graphics.

Besides, it's easily edited. Particularly with PES5's improved in-game editor.

I don't play games to edit team names and players. It's not only time consuming, but I'm lazy as well. I prefer FIFA, that's just my preference.

i play fifa to get the full football experience, and pes when i want realism and a guy named Farzel Horst in my team :rolleyes:
Farzel Horst!!!!!! (H)(H) I'm a PES fan forlife now!! (H)(H)

why is it time consuming to edit pes?

just download 1 patch (20mins)

hit the .exe file (0.01 sec)

wait for install(2mins)

play!

Farzel Horst!!!!!! (H)(H) I'm a PES fan forlife now!! (H)(H)

Butatista! (H)

It's not time consuming at all to edit PES, really. There are plenty of dedicated Option File makers. The ingame editor is pretty solid, too. Or so I'm informed.

i've played both demos, and while Fifa 2006 impressed me positively, i have to say that PES5 blows Fifa in every aspect of gameplay, and this time IMO even in the graphics department. only the sounds could be a bit better..

i voted PES5 is still my favorite :rockman:

played both games back to back, i tend to be a PES fan but here i go.

FIFA

+ vastly improved gameplay, similar to PES but FINALLY the ball on the string has gone, long balls are still not great however, much better
+ controlls are better implemented now, not as much messing around
+ difficulty, not too hard and not too easy
+ running, FIFA players no longer look stupid, good physics model

- graphics are poor but its a demo so i'll let it off.
- gameplay still lacks a bit, when you dont have the ball its still not easy to track down players.

PES

+ gameplay is vastly improved with realistic dribbling and better heading/physical animations
+ same with FIFA in that it has slightly better controls again
+ Slightly harder (which was needed)

- driblling is annoying, might be more realistic but still
- - - - Konami have done so little to improve this game

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so anyway PES is still my favourite, but i doubt i'll buy it, im simply fed up Konami doing **** all and expecting people to buy it, apart from the great new physical stuff the game has nothing different; very annoying.

FIFA is improving vastly, if it keeps going at the same rate it wont be long before i switch over.

TROD.

TROD, I agree with you 100%,.............lets be honest, things you said are true.

FIFA06

Gameplay is definately better, its obvious, players movements and actions look quite good, ball is much better, more weighty, but im not a big fan of the shooting, ball seems to keep accelarating, and seems to take the same type of trajectory each time, unlike PES.......but overall its better, which is GOOD!!
I also agree that controlling movement of players off the ball is a litttle unfluent, can be improved, but the thing is im playing this demo, which says somthing, Ive not liked any FIFA title but i do like this one at the moment.
Commentry and sounds are great, i know commentry can always be much better but this is an improvement, well done.

PES5

Well, I was expecting more to be honest, really a whole year and this is all............im not bagging it but this was my first impression of the game, infact i played it for 5 minutes and reloaded FIFA, go figure!!

Im sure the longer i play it the more ill see the areas that have been improved, unlike the things that definately havnt, like crowds, pitch, sound, and commentry, o dear, there was no commentry, is it because they are just gonna stick in the old ****???? like they did b4, come on guys, the commentry im hoping has been upgraded, there has to be something new in this years version thats been improved to a decent level, not to mention the license issue, which to begin with was bareable, but considering the leaps FIFA are making and the percentage of FIFA that is definately without a doubt ahead of PES, i dont care for the fake teams,names and stadia that is now a big pain in the AZZZZZ!!.....so i agree with TROD..........if PES dont pick up the pace in other areas of the game like they ARE NOT doing i see myself buying FIFA........i want the best overall game, and FIFA are heading there...........PES is not perfect but they work on it like it is.........WRONG!!

PES



so anyway PES is still my favourite, but i doubt i'll buy it, im simply fed up Konami doing **** all and expecting people to buy it, apart from the great new physical stuff the game has nothing different; very annoying.




what more do you want them to do apart from add "off the ball" and "first touch" to completely f*ck things up?:|

Having played both demos at length, the FIFA 06 vs PES5 debate resolves itself into one simple question -

From precisely how far up in the stratosphere above FIFA does PES5 rain down the urine?

Zero Zero Contest!

http://media.putfile.com/i-got-it-going-on-low-res-streaming

Yes. Some eye candy.

HAHAHAHA the full version of FIFA 06 is such a rip-off of konamis game that when you boot it, it gives you an option for the controls you want to use.

1.Classic Analog Dribble - This mode is the normal FIFA where, square is lob, circle is shoot, x is switch player
2. New Analog Dribble - This mode has L1 for switch players, square is shoot, circle is lob
3. Classic Digital Dribble
4. New Digital Dribble

I have no respect for a company that does nothing but rip **** from other companies.

You can't copyright ideas. Nobody's ripping anybody off. What do you think car manufacturers do when a rival car hits the market?

They buy one and take it apart.

Yes but still its not fair when you use someones else idea.. its like seing Konami put the "off the ball control" thing.. it would be lame.

There is always one company that sets the standard, because its the best. Over time the rest will follow this standard. Konami is setting the standard and EA is following. EA just cant deny anymore that pes has the best controls. Its a sign of weakness of EA and the strenght of Konami :shades:

I couldnt really see PES improving on the gameplay. That was perfect. The rest of it doesnt really bother me. I am going to get FIFA On the xbox if its good enough and then that will tie me over til xmas when i will get PES5.

Both games have their pros and cons. I like both equally and will buy them both cause I want to ENJOY them both. When it comes down to which game has a better lasting appeal toward me it has to be Fifa. With PES it kinda becomes repetitive for me even though its gameplay is vastly superior. With Fifa though I enjoyed the tons of league and cup patches people made. The best patch that still needed some work was some Copa Libertadores patch by a Fifa Peru site. Offcourse their was the International patch by Donovan which always brings me back to Fifa. Regardless I can't wait to get my hands on both.

You can't copyright ideas. Nobody's ripping anybody off. What do you think car manufacturers do when a rival car hits the market?

They buy one and take it apart.
Does Immersion vs $ony ring a bell there buddy?

pretty much every sport game has copied ea sports in one way or another since thier first release in 1992

they both have a similair life span for me. FIFA has a great career thing which lasts a long time. but to get through two is hard. So that lasts about 6 months. PES has a great gameplay but no matter how many patches (which are so annoying to do) is will always be behind

PES has a great gameplay but no matter how many patches (which are so annoying to do) is will always be behind
Oh yeah, let me tell you, extracting that RAR or ZIP file must be a real pain in the arse :boohoo:

pretty much every sport game has copied ea sports in one way or another since thier first release in 1992

You really think EA made the first soccer game, you got brainwashed :boohoo:

You really think EA made the first soccer game, you got brainwashed :boohoo:


i never said that, u got brainwahsed :sb9:

terrible comeback.

TROD.

terrible comeback.

TROD.


wasnt a comeback, more like sarcasam at its worst.

thats not even sarcasm. That just sucked octopus cock..

man u poeple are wierd as ****, never knew so many geeks liked soccer

says the guy sitting in on his own at night, his regular hobby, surrounded by his africa shaped cum stains on his bart simpson pyjamas with pizza juice stuck to his face, looking forward to his nightly dream involving the neville brothers and an extra large tub of marmite.

:jacko: :jacko: :jacko:

TROD.

says the guy sitting in on his own at night, his regular hobby, surrounded by his africa shaped cum stains on his bart simpson pyjamas with pizza juice stuck to his face, looking forward to his nightly dream involving the neville brothers and an extra large tub of marmite.


haha! classic! :hit: (Y) :funny:

pes 5 is much much better than the f****g crap game fifa 2006 i have played fifa 2006 by a friend is better that 2005 but is much and much worster that pes 5

I like to read this forum for the incredible intelligent remarks that raise my IQ to a whole new level, for that I thank all the superb superior gentle and polite human beings who write here.

Now that being said, I wish you japanese cocksuckers would get testicle cancer and die in pain because PES5 is a console kiddie aswipe **** of a game.... aaaaah that was nice.

Now that being said, I wish you japanese cocksuckers would get testicle cancer and die in pain because PES5 is a console kiddie aswipe **** of a game.... aaaaah that was nice.

Charming. It's like a friggin' schoolyard, man.

PES5 pushes my buttons. It's fun to play and generally, fun to watch. It just feels right. FIFA's just... not right.

:brow: table soccer has a better atmosphere than PES5!! :sb9:

I bought FIFA 06. EA deluded me with the Polish commentary and the Polish league. It's a total crap. Graphics are worse than ever (watch included FIFA retro to see a proof), gameplay makes me fall asleep and the menu systems cracks me up. Oh, and I had to buy DVD to install this garbage. Lord, foregive me.

:brow: table soccer has a better atmosphere than PES5!! :sb9:

It's called Subbuteo and it's a professional sport :jambo:

The Ratings, reviews, even POLLS chosen by the people DONT LIE!!!!!!!! PES 5 is the better game HANDS DOWN!!!!!!!

Its not the perfect game but its the better game..... Tis all she wrote nikkas :hit:

y even bother to compare...PES 5 is even more realistic than PES 4 it really ressembles modern soccer :taz:

haha they add more modes. They still haven't addressed the issue of gameplay!!! every player feels the same as they havent taken physics into consideration!!!

man u poeple are wierd as ****, never knew so many geeks liked soccer


Wha do u like??? american football!!! LMAO...thas even more of a joke!!!

Konami have promised to have all teams Licensed by Playstation 3!!! If thats what most people are complaining about instead of complaining about factors affecting the gameplay like stupid refereeing decisions!

Lets hope they sign with Nike and some other sports companies!! as well as make vasts improvements!

Wha do u like??? american football!!! LMAO...thas even more of a joke!!!



what does that have to do with anything, american football is almost as slow boring and less action as soccer, but theres contact, yet it has nothing to do with anything.

, american football is almost as slow boring and less action as soccer, but theres contact
I'm sure you enjoy watching the "contact" part of it dont cha? :brow:

fifa isnt even out yet so its impossible to judge. The demo gameplay doesnt even beat pes4 so i cant see it being better than pes9. but for me it looks like it may be fifa. I hate having to install patches etc. I support Norwich so i cant be bothered having to spend hours editing the game to get them into the game. I will buy fifa then get pes at xmas or after. I wont vote until they are both out though


You can try the demo of both of them!! and them vote!

But WE9 is out on PS2 and FIFA06 is also out on PS2, so try those and vote! is very easy!

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And my opinion is that EASports has alot to learn from KONAMI, on these days if KONAMI had the licences of EASports...ufffff!!, bye, bye FIFA!

if Fifa is so good at those cosmetic areas (sound, graphic, atmosphere, commentary),
Why Couldn't They Fix The Players' Faces???
They are ugly :mad:

And they still have the steel nets.

xbox 360 fifa 06

"Believable Players: For the first time ever in a soccer game players exhibit life-like body movement and facial expressions. Watch as players express the full spectrum of emotion from elation as they blast home the winning goal, to venting their anger at decisions that go against them in critical match situation" :bouncy: .

Whats new about that!!!...like 4 years behind!!!

xbox 360 fifa 06

"Believable Players: For the first time ever in a soccer game players exhibit life-like body movement and facial expressions. Watch as players express the full spectrum of emotion from elation as they blast home the winning goal, to venting their anger at decisions that go against them in critical match situation" :bouncy: .

Whats new about that!!!...like 4 years behind!!!


WE and PES on PS3 will bring funeral to EA/FIFA once and for all.

if Fifa is so good at those cosmetic areas (sound, graphic, atmosphere, commentary),
Why Couldn't They Fix The Players' Faces???
They are ugly :mad:
Tell me about it and for the love of god, I'm looking at both Konami and EA when I say this. Sebastian Deisler does not have a buzz cut anymore. :rolleyes:

http://www.fcbayern.t-com.de/media/images/spieler_05_06/portraits/deisler_ima_010805.jpg

WE and PES on PS3 will bring funeral to EA/FIFA once and for all.

I think the proces has started already a few years ago. PES forum is growing bigger and bigger. I noticed FIFA is named FIFA 06 and not FIFA 2006. Smart move but soccerlovers have alreadu fled the horrible gameplay.

This year PES is awsome. And on highest quality and resolution the game ressembles real soccer so much. I am really stunned and i will be using quite alot of time on the new PES 5.

I think the proces has started already a few years ago. PES forum is growing bigger and bigger. I noticed FIFA is named FIFA 06 and not FIFA 2006. Smart move but soccerlovers have alreadu fled the horrible gameplay.

This year PES is awsome. And on highest quality and resolution the game ressembles real soccer so much. I am really stunned and i will be using quite alot of time on the new PES 5.

Did you play WE9 bro.. the one that was released in Japan few months ago.. its even better then PES5.

Did you play WE9 bro.. the one that was released in Japan few months ago.. its even better then PES5.

No i didnt. I only play PC version whicj doesnt allow me to play WE9.

I am looking forward for the online play in PES 5. Didnt play online PES 4 cause of all complains and problems.

BTW mods r really slow when it comes to reactivate my acces in PES forum...COME ON!

I'd take even PES 3 over Fifa 2006

The easy way to try PES5 right now is D/L'ing the demo!!, you'll see!!, i mean is amazing!, better that PES4/WE8i, the faces of ALL the players from Arsenal, Chelsea, Real and Valencia, they ALL look a like!

Try the demo, you'll see!

LINK FOR DEMO:

http://www.worthdownloading.com/game.php?gid=1439

I'd take even PES 3 over Fifa 2006

I have to disagree Fifa 2006 is not at Pro evo 2 level yet in terms of gameplay and the feeling of freedom in a sports game.

This is from the xbox 360 review!

Gameplay
A nice step forward in terms of in-game action, and more of the same strong licensing elements.

Why do people emphasize graphics so much when gameplay is what sells a game.

Did you play WE9 bro.. the one that was released in Japan few months ago.. its even better then PES5.

Pes5 is the updated WE9 so how can it be better. WE9 international is the one that will be better than Pro.

WE has different ball physics to accomadate a Japanese audience. Aside from that, it's the same game.

Fifa 2006 (X-Box) Review
- EA Sports comes good with the best game in the series!


System: X-Box
Year: 2005
Developer: EA Sports Canada
The Skinny:
• The best Fifa game ever and a good pick up & play alternative to Winning Eleven. (Yeah, I said it)
The Good:
• Manager Mode ****s all over Winning Eleven’s Master League
• Fantastic TV-style presentation & commentary
• Solid, entertaining quasi-arcade gameplay
• Tons and tons (and tons) of teams and leagues
The Bad:
• Ball physics still a bit dodgy
• Not enough variation in CPU play
• Players look like zombies
• Still not nearly as much depth as a certain other soccer game


...wut do u guys say to that???? or is this review biased???

8WE has different ball physics to accomadate a Japanese audience. Aside from that, it's the same game.
we9 Ball physics are a disgrace and the reason I gave up on it - the WE9 ball is like an Ice Cube on a wood floor...it's absurd....blocled shots fly 25 yards....No crowd....slow players - now SuperStar unique moves...The game sux....
Not to mention the game is now written to a script.
Crapola....

yeah man, I mean, FIFA 2006 ball physics totally rock my socks dude!!!!

:jap:

The growth of the WE community is proof enough that people are becoming more cynical about the FIFA series.

After two seasons of (world class) managerial mode I know exactly how 95% of my goals will be scored. Inevitably, it'll be a through ball in the middle of the pitch, or yet another perfect cross from the wing. I stopped playing WE after FIFA06 came out, but with the new WE demo I think i'll quit FIFA again and just wait for the next WE/PES.

I'm not quite sure how anyone could possibly consider FIFA less scripted than WE.

Looseball situations are clunky, and always won by the player who is lucky enough to have their ball/player preset animation begin before the opponent. Crosses always have beautifully arcing trajectories to the centre foward. Is it even possible to squib or mi**** a ball? (I've launched a few wide of the area, but even then the flightpath of the ball looked pretty darn amazing.)

Anyone who has played with a modern ball knows that they are small, hard and round. They stick to the carpet and are bloody alive when hit with any kind of decent force.

At the slowest speed FIFA becomes reasonably playable, but even then the physics and ball motion are way off. FIFA is still ok for arcade players, but people who demand a little realism from their games will stick to WE.

FIFA is quite bad, first of all let me list the things that make the game such a waiste of money:

Fouls don't exist unless you slide someone meaning it is as easy as hell to win the ball, more like rugby than football really considering you keep hounding them till they lose it, never seen this happen in real life once.

The passing is not only innacurate, but also weak, unless a player is 3 yards infront of you the pass won't reach you unless you master the game.

The shooting, hell I thought the shooting on PES was shocking, it is 10x worse in FIFA, they are always the same, no power, curling like a Carlos FK and it is like a women is kicking the ball, utter rubbish.

The ball is huge, the physics are a laugh, you barely miss a header from a corner/cross.

Now onto the worst thing, the keepers, when my cousin sparked up the game I was almost in tears, the keepers are absolutely diabolical. They BARELY grab anything, they ALWAYS punch it out, I mean overall they are just unbelievable. Yet again I thought they sucked in PES4 but this takes the biscuit.

The graphics, now people say FIFA graphics beat PES graphics, well in my opinion one word sums that statement up: bollocks. Most of the players look NOTHING like them, the textures are just dire, everything about the graphics in my opinion is just wrong. PES on the other hand has crystal clear graphics, so you choose what is better.

Only thing I did like about the game was the manager mode, and even that had its flaws, for example Robben and Ronaldinho appearing on the transfer list right at the start, as if that would EVER happen.

All in all the game is just like every FIFA game after 98, rubbish, they are even that desperate they need to rip the controls that PES use.

So yea, the game rocks!

And this is coming from an un-biased point of view, PES sucks in alot of ways but FIFA sucks far too much to even consider playing it, no doubt I am a PES fanboy because I said FIFA sucks.

Now the things that make PES suck is:

The foul system, where FIFA seem to have done away with fouls, Konami have went O.T.T with it, the GK's could still do with some decent AI and most of all, the cheating AI, I could go on for ages about this but I will just leave it here.

FIFA dont do fouls, PES go OTT on them.
FIFA has poor textures, PES have crystal clear textures.
FIFA has terrible ball physics, PES have decent ball physics.
FIFA has shocking shots, PES have incredible shots.
FIFA has the manager mode which is great whereas PES has the ML which sucks .
FIFA has a ton of licenses, PES has a dozen (not really).

So there you have it, what is more important, quality or quantity.

PES don't go OTT, when you think about it. X sticks a player's foot out. If you time it wrong, you commit a foul. It's how the system should be, really. It's just that everyone's timing is wrong due to the old method of hammering X all the time.

If the ML sucks, why do we spend so much time on it?

i played fifa full version.
And the game is so piss easy.
First i played on semi pro and all my matches i won like 4/5-0 and the cpu had on avarage 3 shot on my goal and i had around 20 per match.
Then i tried world class. Not much of a difference, the only change now is that the cpu man marks you players more. But the attacking ai is soo poor. Its so easy to defend.

And when you play with 2 strikers and 1 attacking midfielder right behind, you are almost invincible. Because the ai cant defend this properly, when you attacking midfielder has the ball the other defenders rush to him leaving at least on of the strikers unmarked. You press trhoughpass and your striker is 1on1. So damn easy. I score at least 3 goals a match in worldclass.
And i never played fifa much, only fifa2003. :nape:

And the crosses are also easy. I just press the button and 80% of the time my striker will head it and most of the time it will go in. :nape:

And the battles in midfield are like kids playing football all players clutch together to try to get the ball, its like a scrimage. :nape:

Also what i dont like is that you can shoot from every posssible angle. Even when your back is against the goal. The player makes and 180 and shoot with great accuracy like he has no gravity laws. Same goes for passing, its to easy too pass around.
The physics are soo poor, long balls and especially shots on goal. The ball seem to float too the goal and when the keeper saves, its like he held down a rocket, very weird.

All in all if you compare this to pes5demo, fifa06 is very very unrealistic. Yes pes has it flaws in being realistic, but fifa06 has way way more.

PES don't go OTT, when you think about it. X sticks a player's foot out. If you time it wrong, you commit a foul. It's how the system should be, really. It's just that everyone's timing is wrong due to the old method of hammering X all the time.

If the ML sucks, why do we spend so much time on it?

No, players run into me and fall down and get a FK, and I don't press X anymore, I just walk up to them and take the ball.

ML does suck, people only play it because it is either that or a cup, and I guess everyone likes to build a dream team, which you can't do in a cup. I have actually yet to see someone who loves the ML. Only good thing about it is the fact you buy players.

No, players run into me and fall down and get a FK, and I don't press X anymore, I just walk up to them and take the ball.

Obstruction. Look it up.

No, players run into me and fall down and get a FK, and I don't press X anymore, I just walk up to them and take the ball.

ML does suck, people only play it because it is either that or a cup, and I guess everyone likes to build a dream team, which you can't do in a cup. I have actually yet to see someone who loves the ML. Only good thing about it is the fact you buy players.

OMG another one u made...dude ever heard of bodycontact?

What else do you want from a single player game, though? The ML's sticking to the formula that has made it addictive enough. You can build a team and kick some other team into touch with it. How exactly can you expand on that, without turning it into some dodgy management clone?

you cant Shindig, the only way you can expand it is to make it bigger, e.g. more challenges.

It is the inherint problem with football games when you play on your own.

TROD.

I don't know guys. ML has always been my favorite part of the series.

I either play WC og ML...my favorite is WC

No, what is bodycontact?..I am joking btw.

Look, it is like talking to a brick wall, you are doing absolutely everything to make the game out to be amazing, even saying the ML is the best it can get.

How can you expand, well, first of all they can introduce proper leagues, aka so we can play the Premiership or Serie A etc, which we can't do now, wouldn't that be better?

So lets just leave it as that, the game is bloody amazing and I totally love it, does that make you feel better?

No, what is bodycontact?..I am joking btw.

Look, it is like talking to a brick wall, you are doing absolutely everything to make the game out to be amazing, even saying the ML is the best it can get.

How can you expand, well, first of all they can introduce proper leagues, aka so we can play the Premiership or Serie A etc, which we can't do now, wouldn't that be better?

So lets just leave it as that, the game is bloody amazing and I totally love it, does that make you feel better?

U leaving this forum would make me better...dont get personal kid cause i dont fall for it!

Just edit the game instead of bitching and if u dont like it go play FIFA really simple!

How can you expand, well, first of all they can introduce proper leagues, aka so we can play the Premiership or Serie A etc, which we can't do now, wouldn't that be better?

That's just League Mode, with transfers. Besides, with creative editing, you can pull that off.

If that's your argument, I demand to speak to your supervisor.

No that ain't my argument, that is my example, look it up. You are saying the ML is as good as it can get, which is complete and utter rubbish, I am sure people wouldn't mind having the FIFA manager mode instead of the PES ML, but I guess you won't because for you the game is the bestest game in da hole worldz!!!!1

Show me a patch that allows us to modify how many teams can fit into a league in the ML, because I sure as hell ain't seen any.

"dont get personal kid cause i dont fall for it!"

When did I get personal? and kid lol, HAHAHAHAHAHAAA you can barely talk, if I am a kid you are a toddler eh?

"Just edit the game instead of bitching and if u dont like it go play FIFA really simple!"

Yea I can edit the way the AI cheats and I can also edit the animations etc, plus I can edit the ML structure so why am I complaining?

Go play FIFA hahahahaha, that sentence sums you up really, that saying is the most retarded thing anyone can say "if you don't like it play FIFA".

I don't like this world, so if I don't like it I guess I should make my own eh? idiot, think before you post, oh wait I forgot, you just spam, get this "toddler" another red card.

No that ain't my argument, that is my example, look it up. You are saying the ML is as good as it can get, which is complete and utter rubbish, I am sure people wouldn't mind having the FIFA manager mode instead of the PES ML, but I guess you won't because for you the game is the bestest game in da hole worldz!!!!1

Strike 1: You can manage clubs in PES. It's in the player settings. You effectively fiddle with formations and player settings and see if it works. Then you can flip the controls to control the team, if you want.

Not too dis-similar to FIFA 06's manager mode thingy.

Show me a patch that allows us to modify how many teams can fit into a league in the ML, because I sure as hell ain't seen any.

Why? I like having 30 games + cup games for a season.

Yea I can edit the way the AI cheats and I can also edit the animations etc, plus I can edit the ML structure so why am I complaining?

Some referees are homers. It's a fact of football. The AI doesn't cheat. It's just ocasionally too physical. Some physical challenges go amiss in the real game. Konami are trying to replicate it. The animations are pretty solid, as far as I'm concerned. Obviously not perfect, but it looks smooth.

Pes5 (c)

No that ain't my argument, that is my example, look it up. You are saying the ML is as good as it can get, which is complete and utter rubbish, I am sure people wouldn't mind having the FIFA manager mode instead of the PES ML, but I guess you won't because for you the game is the bestest game in da hole worldz!!!!1

Show me a patch that allows us to modify how many teams can fit into a league in the ML, because I sure as hell ain't seen any.

"dont get personal kid cause i dont fall for it!"

When did I get personal? and kid lol, HAHAHAHAHAHAAA you can barely talk, if I am a kid you are a toddler eh?

"Just edit the game instead of bitching and if u dont like it go play FIFA really simple!"

Yea I can edit the way the AI cheats and I can also edit the animations etc, plus I can edit the ML structure so why am I complaining?

Go play FIFA hahahahaha, that sentence sums you up really, that saying is the most retarded thing anyone can say "if you don't like it play FIFA".

I don't like this world, so if I don't like it I guess I should make my own eh? idiot, think before you post, oh wait I forgot, you just spam, get this "toddler" another red card.

Just find the quote where i say ML is perfect and the best game ever. All i said was i play ML or WC.

U r personal since u put words in my mouth!

I wasn't talking to you though, I was talking to Shindig. Yes I forgot the fact in PES5 we can get sponsors and change the ticket price to get more money, silly me.

So you trying to say you wouldn't mind playing with the full league, instead of having some teams in the first division and the rest of the English ones in the second, and since it is so badly structured, you need to add teams that ain't English, but I guess to you this is realistic?

Just a shame I have yet to see a non-English club play in the EPL, I need to watch more football. And the game doesn't cheat because they fall over, there have been debates about the cheating for months and I can't be bothered to re-open them due to the fact it upsets too many people and like the last time, I get red carded, or banned on evo-web which is what happened.

So at the end of the day, PES sucks, but FIFA sucks more.

I wasn't talking to you though, I was talking to Shindig. Yes I forgot the fact in PES5 we can get sponsors and change the ticket price to get more money, silly me.

So you trying to say you wouldn't mind playing with the full league, instead of having some teams in the first division and the rest of the English ones in the second, and since it is so badly structured, you need to add teams that ain't English, but I guess to you this is realistic?

Why would Konami want to turn it into a management clone!? It's a football sim, in their eyes. They do not wish to represent the financial management side of the game. As horrifying as this may sound to you, different companies have different agendas. It doesn't make it a glaring omission.


Just a shame I have yet to see a non-English club play in the EPL, I need to watch more football. And the game doesn't cheat because they fall over, there have been debates about the cheating for months and I can't be bothered to re-open them due to the fact it upsets too many people and like the last time, I get red carded, or banned on evo-web which is what happened.

So at the end of the day, PES sucks, but FIFA sucks more.

Muh? It's a ******* game! The concept of the ML is that all of Europe plays. Now, they've got a limited number of licenses and club spots, so they allow you to stick multi-national leagues together. Doesn't make it a bad thing.

The CPU may cheat but in PES5, most of the tackles and fouls seem legit.

Have you played PES5? Have you seriously considered the mechanics of the game?

So at the end of the day, PES sucks, but FIFA sucks more.

If it sucks why bother?
If it sucks why buy it?

Stop the whining please cause im beginning to think u r a kid!

Some people should learn when to drop arguments.

Konami have made it so you can play a full 38 games in a season in master league now. plus cup comeptitions and so on. Fifa have made manager mode which is going away from the fact its a videogame not an educational software package. Although i would never insult Si games as there football manager is brilliant and i'm a fan. But i used to be so into fifa that i used to be just like you ignoring the obvious facts. I used to open my mouth so much until i gave this game a try. I couldnt believe my eyes. PES2 was a classic that made me ignore fifa completely. Fifa to me in 2004 was frustrating, annoying and the scripting was pathetic.

Someone also said that the atmosphere was nonsense and like playing table soccer!!! i admit the atmosphere hasnt been good since pes2. even that was not great. But the next gen consoles promises to eradicate that and get some more chants in there. Not just turkish and norwegian chants. NO offense meant. Fifa has better sound at this moment. I believe Konami will address all issues for the next gen.

Like someone already said in Fifa is it possible to miskick, miss the ball completely, apply too much power and sky a shot because the timing was wrong???? Noooooooo...Fifa have already lost in the gameplay aspect!!!

When it comes to sponsors, licenses, graphics and sound fifa wins hands down. But Seabass the producer has promised to have everything official by pes6 in a years time. So it will soon dominate and have EA losing there license!!

Look the league is that, a f*cking league, since when was teams like Chelsea and Liverpool playing in the god damn Bundesliga? is it so bloody hard to think for one minute, all they could do was make it use proper leagues, it ain't that hard for god sake, you can have one for each country and 1 for the other.

And ok, so they don't want a manager sort of game, but you said they couldn't make the ML any better, which is just rubbish.

"The concept of the ML is that all of Europe plays"

No thicko, this is why they invented the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, look it up.

"If it sucks why bother?"

I ain't bothering to play it, but it doesn't mean I can't come here saying it sucks, after all this is the FIFA vs PES forum, so I guess you can say the same to every other post, so try and think before you flap the fingers.

"If it sucks why buy it?"

Where did I say I bought it? yet again, think before you post utter nonsense.

"Stop the whining please cause im beginning to think u r a kid!"

Yes I forgot, NOBODY whines on forums, only I do, my bad. Yet again you call me a kid without knowing my age, ah well, as I said before, think before you post.

So to sum it up seeing as nobody can read, having full leagues in the ML would help, if they can do it for the league mode itself why not for the ML? and no, the ML ain't made so European teams can play, like I said this is what the CL is for. Even giving us the option to choose how many teams we can have in the league would be great, because then you lot who adore the ML could play with the sh*t setup it has now.

Konami doesnt have the 2nd division teams in the game, so for that it would be already impossible to create an league just like in real life. You can choose all teams from 1 country in division 1, but thats it. Divison2 would be teams from other countries anyway.

and just another note. Just because you dont like the ML doesnt mean its bad for others. And maybe Konami DID intend it to be a league where all european teams play. Because they dont have the champions league liscence. And maybe they did NOT intend it to be a league that reflects how it going in real life. Ever thought about that kingpug?

Who cares about division 2 anyway, don't you guys like realism? you do nothing but go on about how realistic the game is, well put it this way, the ML is not, and I repeat N O T realistic.

Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, who knows. Why would they need the licenses, they have the WEFA cups.

Anyway case closed, you lot just say anything as long as it makes the game out to be amazing, fact of the matter is, it isn't, quicker you get out of living in denial, the quicker you will realise PES5 ain't as perfect as you lot make it out to be.

You know why PES ain't perfect? because NO game is, so stop acting like you made the game, you don't have to arselick the game non-f*cking-stop, put in in your PS2/PC and shut the hell up.

Bang on. Just think of FIFA 99's European Super League. Only bigger.

having full leagues in the ML would help

Not really. Play a league campaign. All you're missing out on are development and transfers. Besides, more teams take up more space. More stats, more individual players (instead of the generic, textured FIFA players).

Konami works by sacrificing quantity for quality.

"If it sucks why bother?"

I ain't bothering to play it, but it doesn't mean I can't come here saying it sucks, after all this is the FIFA vs PES forum, so I guess you can say the same to every other post, so try and think before you flap the fingers.



This is exactly my point why even bother about some thing...dont buy it!

My point is u r making urself looking like a retard.

If i dont like a car im not using all my time to bitch about i simply buy the one i like...to me it looks like u have a lot of sparetime on ur hands!

Whole point of the ML is to buy players, well I guess everyone just plays it so they can do the training.

Who said add more teams, if the Bundesliga has 600 teams, make the league allow 600 teams, if the Ligue 1 has 4 teams, make the league allow 4 teams, ain't exactly rocket science, well for some reason it is on this forum.

To the nicekid - Yet again, you don't think before you post, did I say I bought it, or had any intentions on buying it? who is the retard did you say?

"This is exactly my point why even bother about some thing...dont buy it!"

Yet again, instead of thinking before you post, you don't, show me where I said I bought the game or had any intentions of doing so, I bet you won't find where I said it. So seriously, stop talking nonsense, try and stick to what is said.

"My point is u r making urself looking like a retard."

No, that is you.

"If i dont like a car im not using all my time to bitch about i simply buy the one i like"

And what happens if you really want a car but they only have it in pink, would you like if the manager turned around and said "if you don't like the colour, paint it" would you?

"to me it looks like u have a lot of sparetime on ur hands!"

And you don't? you replied to most of my posts, so I guess your comment works both ways.

"The concept of the ML is that all of Europe plays"

No thicko, this is why they invented the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, look it up.

Do you want to prove you don't play PES? Stop comparing the ML to FIFA's management mode. The ML is supposed to be the UEFA Champions League, but EA owns the license so Konami calls it something else. You can play a proper league also, just pick League from the main menu. No its not FIFA's managment mode, its just a league and I play it all the time, and I am only against the other German temas like I should be.

P.S. Do you not know how to use the QUOTE function of the forum? If not maybe you could at least use italics for when you are quoting people, nevermind, if you can't figure out how to quote, how can I expect you to know how to italicise.

Whole point of the ML is to buy players, well I guess everyone just plays it so they can do the training.

Who said add more teams, if the Bundesliga has 600 teams, make the league allow 600 teams, if the Ligue 1 has 4 teams, make the league allow 4 teams, ain't exactly rocket science, well for some reason it is on this forum.

To the nicekid - Yet again, you don't think before you post, did I say I bought it, or had any intentions on buying it? who is the retard did you say?

"This is exactly my point why even bother about some thing...dont buy it!"

Yet again, instead of thinking before you post, you don't, show me where I said I bought the game or had any intentions of doing so, I bet you won't find where I said it. So seriously, stop talking nonsense, try and stick to what is said.

"My point is u r making urself looking like a retard."

No, that is you.

"If i dont like a car im not using all my time to bitch about i simply buy the one i like"

And what happens if you really want a car but they only have it in pink, would you like if the manager turned around and said "if you don't like the colour, paint it" would you?

"to me it looks like u have a lot of sparetime on ur hands!"

And you don't? you replied to most of my posts, so I guess your comment works both ways.

U r beyond reach...i do not say u have bought it...i say dont buy it (and btw its not released yet)

My point: ur comments has no value whatsoever...u think both soccergames suck then go play another game. But please spare of the whining just cause u think both suck. I dont think PES suck thats why i buy it and play it...and you?

BTW i said u make urself look like a retard! Whether u r or not is pretty obvious!

And if i cant find a car that suits me...well then its time to aske my parents and they will surely answer well kid u r only 5 years old so dont bother!

Whole point of the ML is to buy players, well I guess everyone just plays it so they can do the training.

What?

Who said add more teams, if the Bundesliga has 600 teams, make the league allow 600 teams, if the Ligue 1 has 4 teams, make the league allow 4 teams, ain't exactly rocket science, well for some reason it is on this forum.

What? You have customisable tournaments in PES. Simple fact is, EA have tied down the licenses for years to come. Hence, PES can only go for individual league licenses and the FIFPro license. Fact is, the Bundesliga, le Championnat, Serie A, Premiership, Erdedivisie and La Liga are all playable in PES.

To the nicekid - Yet again, you don't think before you post, did I say I bought it, or had any intentions on buying it? who is the retard did you say?

"This is exactly my point why even bother about some thing...dont buy it!"

Yet again, instead of thinking before you post, you don't, show me where I said I bought the game or had any intentions of doing so, I bet you won't find where I said it. So seriously, stop talking nonsense, try and stick to what is said.

"My point is u r making urself looking like a retard."

No, that is you.

"If i dont like a car im not using all my time to bitch about i simply buy the one i like"

And what happens if you really want a car but they only have it in pink, would you like if the manager turned around and said "if you don't like the colour, paint it" would you?

"to me it looks like u have a lot of sparetime on ur hands!"

And you don't? you replied to most of my posts, so I guess your comment works both ways.

What?

Seriously, your argument just doesn't hold any water. When you think, does it start to hurt?

You can edit the leagues if you dont want foreign teams in it. You stick to kids games. I'll stick to Pro Evolution. If Konami thought there game wasnt the best on the market i think they would make a lot more effort to fix it. But they know it is so all there doing is working on certian aspects of the game. Like the A.I.

Missing crowds. Well you cant have everything many people complained about slow down now thats been fixed at the expense of the crowd. o well.

To be honest, I don't notice the crowd much, in the first place.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=quotation%20mark

"if you can't figure out how to quote"

Silly boy, read that above link, but saying that, if you don't know " is a quotation mark, how on earth could you be able to read?

Look, the CL is a CUP whereas the ML stands for MASTER LEAGUE do you understand?.

But anyway I can't be bothered to explain myself for the 60000th time, you would think this forum was full of 6 year olds, you take everything I say and turn it around and come out with such rubbish replies.

"If it sucks why bother?
If it sucks why buy it?"

You said this, then this;

"i do not say u have bought it...i say dont buy it"

You asked why I bought it, so what are you on about?

"My point: ur comments has no value whatsoever"

And yours do? I bet if I was saying PES was such a good game then my comments would have value, infact, PES rocks and I love it! I do play other games, but I still whine about the lack of a decent football game, just like everyone moans about how crap FIFA is when they play PES, so why not say the same to them?

Like I said, this is the FIFA vs PES forum, so obviously one comes on to say the other sucks, so your argument is 100% useless in this forum.

"well kid u r only 5 years old so dont bother!"

Yet again you call me a kid based on what exactly, the fact I don't brownose the makers of the game unlike everyone else?

"Whole point of the ML is to buy players, well I guess everyone just plays it so they can do the training."

Let me translate, you said if we wanted a league we should play the league mode, but the whole point of playing the ML is to buy players, something which can't be done in league mode, just for the record, the L in ML stands for LEAGUE not cup, ok?

See, who mentioned any licenses? I am talking about being able to add more teams into the ML, not buying new ones, here is a tip a wise man once said to me; think before you write.

My last reply anyway, all I have been doing is repeating myself while "you lot" just make stuff up as you go along, have fun playing PES, and just so you won't say I am retarded, THE GAME ROCKS!!

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=quotation%20mark

"if you can't figure out how to quote"

Silly boy, read that above link, but saying that, if you don't know " is a quotation mark, how on earth could you be able to read?

And your point?

Let me explain something to you, since you fail to grasp it. Forums have functions such as QUOTE and Italics so reading a post with quotes is not difficult, and so we also know who you are quoting.

By using the Forums quotation system, it puts a box around the users post and also states who made said comment. When you quote five people and only use quotation marks (note: when using quotation marks to cite ones words, you are to pronounce who made said comment), only that person knows you are quoting them. This is especially true on forums such as this where a reply may not be until the next day. People are not going to post something and then read the whole thread over the next day to figure out who was quoted.

Once again, when you are on a forum and want to quote text from anothers post, use the quote function, or italics and state who you are quoting.

Since you seem to use the internet to research things, (like you did with quotation marks trying to be a smart aleck towards me) why don't you spend time researching more useful things, like the standard functions of most forums. :rolleyes:

Look, the CL is a CUP whereas the ML stands for MASTER LEAGUE do you understand?
The CL stands for Champions League, do you understand?:rolleyes:
Also, the UEFA Cup and the UEFA CL are two different things................look it up :rolleyes:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=quotation%20mark

"if you can't figure out how to quote"

Silly boy, read that above link, but saying that, if you don't know " is a quotation mark, how on earth could you be able to read?

Look, the CL is a CUP whereas the ML stands for MASTER LEAGUE do you understand?.

But anyway I can't be bothered to explain myself for the 60000th time, you would think this forum was full of 6 year olds, you take everything I say and turn it around and come out with such rubbish replies.

"If it sucks why bother?
If it sucks why buy it?"

You said this, then this;

"i do not say u have bought it...i say dont buy it"

You asked why I bought it, so what are you on about?

"My point: ur comments has no value whatsoever"

And yours do? I bet if I was saying PES was such a good game then my comments would have value, infact, PES rocks and I love it! I do play other games, but I still whine about the lack of a decent football game, just like everyone moans about how crap FIFA is when they play PES, so why not say the same to them?

Like I said, this is the FIFA vs PES forum, so obviously one comes on to say the other sucks, so your argument is 100% useless in this forum.

"well kid u r only 5 years old so dont bother!"

Yet again you call me a kid based on what exactly, the fact I don't brownose the makers of the game unlike everyone else?

"Whole point of the ML is to buy players, well I guess everyone just plays it so they can do the training."

Let me translate, you said if we wanted a league we should play the league mode, but the whole point of playing the ML is to buy players, something which can't be done in league mode, just for the record, the L in ML stands for LEAGUE not cup, ok?

See, who mentioned any licenses? I am talking about being able to add more teams into the ML, not buying new ones, here is a tip a wise man once said to me; think before you write.

My last reply anyway, all I have been doing is repeating myself while "you lot" just make stuff up as you go along, have fun playing PES, and just so you won't say I am retarded, THE GAME ROCKS!!

My advice: if u wanna quote me do it correctly! CAPICHE!

Let me say one thing:

"The CL stands for Champions League, do you understand?"

Ok, and since when did the CL start using 4 leagues of 16 teams? (or how many are in the ML)

Btw if you don't like the fact I don't quote, do yourself the favour and don't f*cking reply. Funny though, I am talking about PES & FIFA and you bring up the fact I don't quote lol, retards.

I am talking about PES & FIFA and you bring up the fact I don't quote lol, retards.

Tee-hee.

I get what you're saying, mind. You want the proper CL experience and, the only way any game can do that is by including every club in Europe. Something that Konami simply don't have the space or time to. EA don't even have the time. That's why they have generic body types and shortened stat systems. It saves them time and allows them to theoretically include everyone.

I mean, you compare database sizes between the two games, EA will come out on top with players potentially over the 10,000 mark. PES has considerably less.

Trouble with gamers is that they're fickle sods. They want everything. EA try to supply it by cutting corners. EA also have a loyal fanbase. A key thing for any games company.

No, I only want to be able to play with a proper league in the ML, let me break it down.

I want to put every English team into the same league.

Which is impossible because we also have division 2, fair enough, make it so we can enable/disable the division, either that or we could just put the remaining teams into this division.

But at the moment there ain't enough English teams to fit into the two divisions, meaning we have non-English teams in the league which is 100% un-realistic.

And no I won't play the league mode, when they let us do transfers then yes, I will play, but for me, the whole point of playing a league is to buy players.

I don't want konami to have every license, I just want to be able to play with a proper league in the ML, do you understand now?

Let me say one thing:

"The CL stands for Champions League, do you understand?"

Ok, and since when did the CL start using 4 leagues of 16 teams? (or how many are in the ML)

And once again, your point. All I did was correct your mistake. You were emphasizing how the L in the ML stands for League, but then pretty much said the CL stands for cup, when it stands for Champions League.
And no I won't play the league mode, when they let us do transfers then yes, I will play, but for me, the whole point of playing a league is to buy players.
Thats odd since the REAL point of a league is to win that leagues championship.
You complain because the ML is unrealistic, but you buying players and creating a super team isnt.............right :rolleyes:

Let me say one thing:

"The CL stands for Champions League, do you understand?"

Ok, and since when did the CL start using 4 leagues of 16 teams? (or how many are in the ML)

Btw if you don't like the fact I don't quote, do yourself the favour and don't f*cking reply. Funny though, I am talking about PES & FIFA and you bring up the fact I don't quote lol, retards.

Im talking about the fact that u dont quote me correctly...putting words in my mouth...i aint talking about the quoting function :rolleyes:

Fifa 06 is great but not enough yet!The movement of the ball isn't realistic yet!They have to fix it in the next soon releases!!!Pes5 is more realistic at this time!

Can I ask a question. Why do you guys keep using the word "converted"? I mean you guys are starting to scare me because why would anyone want to be converted into anything? :)

football is a religion and football game inherit that property

I was converted since WE5 on PSX :D and proud of it

FiFA players are :lui: :lui: :lui: :boohoo:

I was so impressed with Fifa 06 and I still love playing it. Then I got PES5 at the weekend and I love playing that and was thinking 'how do I go back to Fifa now?'. But I'm in the middle of a season at Fifa so I play a couple of games every day and I still love it and dont want to put it down. I also love PES5 and wouldnt want to be without it, dont think I prefer one over the other completely and they can both frustrate me equally. Does anyone have a problem with me enjoying both?
This forum is full of immature up their own arse (my OPINION is what matters and nothing else should. There is one football game and if you dont agree with mine its because your brain is inferior) people. Mind you the title of the forum should tell you its going to be filled with immature comments, from people who are grown men.
Most mature and sensible people is of the opinion that there is room for 2 or more football games and if it comes to a choice between them then so be it
for the chooser.
Keep going Kanomi and Fifa, please keep producing good and different football games

i have not played pes but 4 me few things about fifa......

First they hide 1-2 passes from 2002....then they bring back it on 2005!!!!
With graphics showing how 1-2 passes done and what a gr8 featute to have it in 2005!!!

Lol.....what they think......ppl r so stupid ???????? :nape:

this topic is one of the funniest most pointless things i have ever seen, you read the first fee posts and your like aww yeh some fair debate, but now its between like 3 or 4 guys who just bag each other about ML and CL and what it stands for and who cant quote who? just post what you like and why you think the game is better then FIFA or PES and then be happy with that, you guys arent winning anything by proving whos the best at english and who can figure out what the 2 letters stand for, beucase people will patch both games so they both end up preety sweet - so just buy both

my 2 cents

Anybody who doesnt think ML is pathetic is a retard. ML cant be compared to fifa's career mode. And the career mode is the main reason that makes me want to play fifa. If pes had soemthing similar to fifas career mode i woudlnt touch fifa.

like some wiseman has said this prophecy 3000 years ago

"even if pes has only 2 teams with black and white uniform, humanity shalt choose it over fifa infidel" --- :jap: :jap: :jap:

Anybody who doesnt think ML is pathetic is a retard. ML cant be compared to fifa's career mode. And the career mode is the main reason that makes me want to play fifa. If pes had soemthing similar to fifas career mode i woudlnt touch fifa.

Then im a retard but what does it make u then...u cant have IQ below 0!??

Does it not frustrate everyone that Fifas gameplay is stil not upto scratch

Konami haven't changed their masterleague in years it gets boring their are no weather effects and AI Doesnt buy your teams players due to bad coding.

I bought Fifa 2006 played as my faves Forest was winning the First Division had Knocked Bolton out of the league cup and was due to play Manchester Unt.
The LDV Vans cup was their etc felt great to have proper teams structers and stadiums but i just couldnt play it as the Gameplay was no where near as good as Winning Eleven 9's.

Either Konami gets its master league sorted with manager movement etc or the frustration continues.

Does it not frustrate everyone that Fifas gameplay is stil not upto scratch

Konami haven't changed their masterleague in years it gets boring their are no weather effects and AI Doesnt buy your teams players due to bad coding.

I bought Fifa 2006 played as my faves Forest was winning the First Division had Knocked Bolton out of the league cup and was due to play Manchester Unt.
The LDV Vans cup was their etc felt great to have proper teams structers and stadiums but i just couldnt play it as the Gameplay was no where near as good as Winning Eleven 9's.

Either Konami gets its master league sorted with manager movement etc or the frustration continues.

Mentioning FIFA along with PES is an insult...FIFA goes in the bin whereas PES goes in ur cpu! :lui: (C) (6) :nape: :jambo: :rolleyes: :rockman:

Altough my natural impulse is to support Konami in favor of big EA, I voted for FIFA06 not because I think it is a better game (in terms of gameplaying PES is still far better) but because of the comparison with the previous editions: there'es a huge difference and improvement form FIFA2005 to FIFA06 (I don't think that it can be denied) but no real difference between PES4 and PES5. I think Konami must be aware of this and be able to improve the PES series even more so that EA be obliged to do the same.

like some wiseman has said this prophecy 3000 years ago

"even if pes has only 2 teams with black and white uniform, humanity shalt choose it over fifa infidel" --- :jap: :jap: :jap:

If that was true then that wise man is an absolute idiot. :rofl:

PES5 can now have any sort of weather in master league.
You can also enhance level of detail in graphics with JUCES LODMIXER.

With the superpatch 2 + the all round better gameplay the game of PES5
has been reborn.

Dont take my word , get it and enhance it then see.

Yep. PS2 and XBox owners have to do without, though. Not that it's a big miss.

the gameplay of PES is superior, is emuletion and fifa is an it allways be arcadia

all the EA crap are the same arcadia games they don't care about emulation all they care is about money $$$$$$$$$

Wow. I thought this topic was ended because of the tirades, mocho-attitudes and whinings that PES fans would throw in FIFA fans faces that would just wreck the whole purpose. This was more like another PES thread.

Hmmm... yeah, gameplay and AI......handsdown PES/WE, every year, year after year, version after version.

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Just received my brand new Official Playstation Magazine here in the USA yesterday. The monthly demo disc had both FIFA06 and WE9:I (the North American version of PES5). This is the 1st year I haven't touched FIFA since 1996 and so my 1st experience with FIFA06 was last nght. The demo disc allowed a full half of play in either game. I played about 10 "halves" of each and here are my thoughts:

Graphics:
Year in, year out, EA has arguably owned this dept. This year, however, I have to truly check the sanity of anyone who would argue that WE/PES doesn't totally destroy FIFA in this area. I mean, it's not even freaking close! If I showed you one then the other, you would swear they weren't running on the same system.

Presentation:
EA once again do a better job, but not by that wide a margin. The WE9 demo I played, did not have crowd noises, so I can't compare the atmosphere, although if past iterations of FIFA vs PES are any measure, I have a hard time believing WE/PES will surpass them this year.

Gameplay:
EA was improved, but once again, it just doesn't "feel" right. Once again, I feel that if I bought this game, set it to the World Class and just "memorized" the AI patterns, I would be scoring 4-6 goals every game in no time. By the 5th game I played with FIFA I was scoring 2 goals every time. On the other hand, after the 10 match with WE, I had only scored 1 goal total.

Team Mgt:
I know FIFA has these mapped to the direction buttons, but it feels pretty darn arcadey to me. As an example of the superiority of WE in this area, I was playing as Chelsea vs Real Madrid. I had Damian Duff on the left MF playing very offensively. About 1 minute into the game, Real started exloiting the right side vacated by an attacking Duff. I went to the menu/individual screen, clicked on Duff and changed his "attacking" arrows to have him track back and also tweaked his position to move him further back. This immediately negated Real's runs down the right to Beckham and the flow of the game immediately changed. I didn't change the team formation, I didn't change anything else about my team, except to plug a negative hole that real was exploiting. I can picture Jose Mourinho watching that game unfold and yelling to Duff, "forget about the pre-game tactics, I want you to track back now and also park yourself a little further back". These unbelievably subtle, yet powerful tactucal nuances are really what make WE/PES a soccer fan's soccer game.

Just look at the 10 pages of this thread. The only pros that FIFA guys can give are: "PES has as much atmosphere as table soccer", "I prefer to play with real players and editing PES takes too much time" and others. You never hear anyone say anything about FIFA's superior gameplay. It's always the glitz with FIFA, not the substance. To each their own, but at least asdmit it!

FIFA06 VS PES5
My opinion...
Fifa 7/10:
Positive:
Great game presentation
Easy-to-handle controls
Amazing sound (commentry,chants,menu music)
Simple and good looking menu's
Great career mode
Nice extras (retro,league videos...)
Great freestyle controls and tricks
Negative
Gameplay is too easy when you learn the game.
Shoot and pass too accurate too easily.
Weird player physics (sliding tackle combos, shooting-to-tackle combos in uber Speed etc..)
Some faces are just plain wierd and you can't edit them (ibrahimovic?)

PES5
7/10
Positive
Amazing realistic gameplay
Good Fans graphics and intro's.
You can edit and change player's apperance
And that's about it for me on the positive side.
Negative
Throw-ins are horrible
Menu's are annoying and too arcady and japanese (kill the dude who yells in the beginning of the game)
Master league is lame and unreal (2 french teams are in my italian seria a)
Graphics are not great even in hightst resolutions.
players body looks somewhat square
Sooo many fouls whisteled be the annoying referee (i didn't touch him!)
Controls are horrible (i use a keyboard and i need three hands to cover all of them)
All the dribbles and tricks are too robotic and there aren't that many anyway tricks anyway...
Commentry is just horrific.

In conclusion: the perfect football game would be combination of both games (well just the gameplay and physics of pes and everything else from fifa.... :$ )

Master league is lame and unreal (2 french teams are in my italian seria a)
Graphics are not great even in hightst resolutions.

Buy the ML composition option from the PES Shop.
The graphics aren't really an issue. The players are well animated and the models are polished.

Bad commentary? Turn it off.
It's not keyboard friendly. It's designed for a console, after all.
Plenty of fouls but it varies on which referee you get. Also how well you can time tackles.

Arcadey menus? Konami learned their trade in the arcades.

Buy the ML composition option from the PES Shop.
The graphics aren't really an issue. The players are well animated and the models are polished.

Bad commentary? Turn it off.
It's not keyboard friendly. It's designed for a console, after all.
Plenty of fouls but it varies on which referee you get. Also how well you can time tackles.

Arcadey menus? Konami learned their trade in the arcades.

for me it's just too many annoying compromises... i play pes because it's more challanging then fifa.. that's the only reason. i prefer fifa's game esthetics and subtleties but it gets too easy after 2 months or so.

Weirdly, I prefered the PES5 demo to the full game. It seemed to me that the changes to the player's animations were dumbed down. You had more subtely to the movements of the players, but in the full game, I don't notice it as much. And the PES5 demo was harder than a really hard thing wrapped in something harder.

FIFA tries, but it doesn't try enough. It's trying to cope with the wider audience (kids, not football enthusiasts) and thusly, it gives you a simpler experience that tacticians find too easy.

Negative
Throw-ins are horrible
Menu's are annoying and too arcady and japanese (kill the dude who yells in the beginning of the game)
Master league is lame and unreal (2 french teams are in my italian seria a)
Graphics are not great even in hightst resolutions.
players body looks somewhat square
Sooo many fouls whisteled be the annoying referee (i didn't touch him!)
Controls are horrible (i use a keyboard and i need three hands to cover all of them)
All the dribbles and tricks are too robotic and there aren't that many anyway tricks anyway...
Commentry is just horrific.

In conclusion: the perfect football game would be combination of both games (well just the gameplay and physics of pes and everything else from fifa.... :$ )[/QUOTE]
yes i agree demo in pes5 satisfy me i dont need to full game
because what in full game attract me in the opposite fifa have verrrrrrrrrrry good career mode sound refree control
in pes 6 konami must configure control for pc keyboard

Mentioning FIFA along with PES is an insult...FIFA goes in the bin whereas PES goes in ur cpu! :lui: (C) (6) :nape: :jambo: :rolleyes: :rockman:



mentioning either of them up to madden is an insault both games need to get with the times.

Yes because Madden is such a better soccer game then PES or FIFA.

Fifa is good for young players who dont care about gameplay...
Fifa06 is good for relax and if you are not to pretentious...

But for hardcore soccer fan fifa06 is total crap(long passing, ice feeling ball, shooting, player movement) and cant compare to we9...


hmmm thats why my friend who supports man u but can't name their first team players can win easily on 6 star :boohoo:

I feel pes is going down the pan pes3 was the last good pes game :kader:

PES3 irritated the hell out of me. Far too many random handballs. I really prefer PES5, even if the set peices are slightly knacked.

In fairness, I can't remember much about PES3. 'cept the handballs and Kezman having a two-year scoring drought.

Fifa06 was actually entertaining for a time and then it seemed like every game was the same. The CPU doesn't attack enough and when it does actually attack it's almost always on the wings. Even with gameplay patches the CPU is unimaginitive. I really like having all the leagues though and the management side of things is better than ML.

Don't have PES5 yet (will get WE9:I) but really enjoyed the last installments in the series. Player rankings actually mean something!

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155 posts, i can't believe it. Play both games during 3 Weeks and you got the answer

Well I am a new member so I reply now to this old thread :P !

I won't review Pro Evolution Soccer or say something about Fifa..........

I will just say:

If you want to play football,play Pro Evolution Soccer.....If you want to lose time from your life messing up with a crap just play Fifa........

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My first post too. I have been waiting months for my account to be activated.

Anyway, Pes is better. (Maybe you have to play football to understand why)

However, there is something about fifa that creates better atmosphere and excitment when playing the game. :)

However, there is something about fifa that creates better atmosphere and excitment when playing the game. :)
Maybe its because the commentary hasnt been saying the same thing for the past three years......................

Yes, you are right the commentary doesn't help create tension and atmosphere. But the game play makes up for other areas.

I wish footy games could be made in europe where the passion for the game is at its best.

Your banner at the end of your post is a bit harsh. Only a upset employee could have that much anger surely!

Your banner at the end of your post is a bit harsh. Only a upset employee could have that much anger surely!
I don't find it harsh at all. Let me explain.

I was a huge fan of the SEGA Sports football games. I have never liked Madden. Even in the 16-bit days I thought madden was a joke so I played Joe Montana Football on the megadrive. Then the dreamcast came about and I fell in love with the NFL 2K series. Last years NFL 2K5 was the best ever, I still play it. EA felt pressure as NFL2K5 was only $20 brand new and was clearly the better game. EA did something about that, they bought an exclusive license to stop competition.

It doesnt just end there. Take all the street games for example, they are all pure crap IMO. They own an exclusive license to NASCAR...........why............because a company named papyrus made a much better simulation than them. The NBA live series is a joke next to the NBA 2K series. FIFA..............do I really even need to say anything? Let me move away from sports games as I think I hate the sports division the most an I don't want to give myself a heart attack from thinking about it.

NFS is now all about hip pop culture fast and the furious wannabe crap. I felt the Burnout series has fallen in quality. Sure, Takedown and Revenge were fun..............for a few hours. Did you play the Godfather? Was that a joke or was it just me? Black.............errrr............man was this game fun :rolleyes: CnC Generals, nothing like EA buying westwood and destroying a once great game series. I need to quit typing about this before my head explodes. :s***:

I do agree with all the above except I love burnout 3&4. But I can forgive anything for the release of ssx tricky and 3. Just superb pieces of software. On tour was a let down tho.

hey! did people buy fifa to listen to music or to play the game?

yes. there is a game call Winning Eleven Tactics

yes there is a manager game for pes :ewan:

I'm new here, so gotta say hello to everyone :)

So, FIFA'05 or PES5?

For me FIFA games died after FIFA 2000. The best FIFA for me is undoubtely '98 (/bow) and '99 but like i said, EA killed FIFA series after year 2001. FIFA 2001 games+ began to descend firstly because EA didn't the game to the next level and secondly because the new rival PES gave much more stuff to the gamer. They kept the original gameplay in the beginning (FIFA '01, '02, '03) that gave the opportunity to the gamer to score many goals, even from the centre of the field, without much practice. With FIFA '04, '05, '06 games, EA tried to build a improved style of gameplay (a more tactical gameplay i could say) where the gamer should practice more to score a goal; they failed because on the other side, Pro Evolution Series was much advanced and were offering to the gamer an absolutely authentic football simulator with the best gameplay ever in the genre.

Today, FIFA are playing only the original (i think) FIFA fans (not me anymore) and PES are playing all the other who seek a game that simulate the beautiful game.

EA killed FIFA :( ; PES is the king! :D

That's not so true ... there are many PES players that had played FIFA 06, because is very known that FIFA 06 has achieved a good development since the crappy FIFA 2004.

About FIFA fans, is more about countries ... here in SA nobody plays FIFA, most people play PES, except for Mexico where I could see that everybody loves FIFA. About Europe I'm not pretty sure, but yes I agree that football games should be designed in Europe, most likely England.

heres my opinion...

my past soccer gaming experiences:
ive been a long time EA sports guy. i loved madden, nba live, fifa, and even nhl back in the days. i remember having an old soccer game for the genesis and i think it was made by konami, forgot wat it was called but it was dope. After like '99 i stopped playing games altogether really. it wasnt until recently when i bought FIFA World cup 2006 and WE9, and ive also downloaded the FIFA 2006 demo.

here we go....

i started with EA's fifa world cup. ive had nothing but fun and good experiences with this game. it looks beautiful first of all, and there is a HUGE selection of countries you can choose from. more specifically, u can play as any country that was involved even in the qualifying stages of the world cup. i recently started a campaign with VANUATU, they're ranked like 115 or something like that. hahaha

the game, compared to WE9, is simpler, and that makes it easier to play. i really like simplicity, i think simplicity can be wat makes a game fun. remember when the original nintendo came out? for even older school heads, how about atari? or like space invaders or dig dug on a 486 computer? now THATS fun, and nothing gets simpler than that!

a complaint with the FIFA series is: the MENUS are little TOO damn simple for me. its very easy to navigate thru menus because it has a very simple straight forward layout. HOWEVER, i always feel they leave out alot of necessary functions in the game. for example, i still cant find out how to DELETE profiles, and old saved tournaments that i no longer want to keep. ur very limited in the menus, so that can prevent you from doing certain things sometimes, that i feel should be easy to do in the first place. WE9 is the complete opposite. its a little bit TOO confusing. too sophisticated....once u get accustomed to it, u can probably use its sophistication to your advantage, but i have yet to get there. i dont like spending time figuring out how to do things in menus, id rather just get into the game and have fun.
FIFA does good with this, but leaves a little more to be wanted. WE9 gives everything you could ever ask, plus more......plus more and more and more. alittle too much if u ask me.

anyways, i thought FIFA WC 2006 was fantastic, and i didnt know why people were always hating on EA, but that was of course before i bought WE9.

now that i have WE9 and have been playing it for a lil while, i have to say the gameplay, physics, etc. in this game are AMAZING. id have to say konami wins over EA in this aspect. the lack of licensing with WE9, and all the option file/kitserver downloading stuff can really get confusing, it took me like a whole week of intensive research and patching to finally get my game the way i want it to be. so that was a pain, but its all good in the end. i think i still mite get FIFA 2006 because they have more leagues, some of which i really want to play as.

so while i found WE9 to be a lil more realistic and accurate in terms of actual soccer gameplay, i still have to say that ive had alittle more fun playing EA's fifa. WHY? even tho the gameply isnt as realistic, even tho u mite get 20+ shots a game and the computer less than 5, to me, ITS STILL FUN. and thats wat it all comes down to. i dunno...i love killing my opponent, dominating, and just being able to create amazing plays with ease. so thats why i loved FIFA. in WE9, its definitely more challenging because its more realistic, but sometimes wen i play on the 1 star difficultly setting, i cant even score a goal in regular time!! and sometimes, thats no fun, ya feel me? i also dont like the shots that players take in WE9 compared to FIFA. its not accurate enough.....realism is great, but this is a game, not real life. sometimes its more fun if your players movements are computerized to certain degree, so you can actually get a shot on goal, instead of shanking it 10 ft. wide because ur joystick was a couple degrees off target. i mean, all that for the sake of 'realism'? i see where people are coming from but i think its a lil hyped up. (maybe im exxagerating alil bit here too....but u get my point. i still think its a valid point =P )

dont get me wrong...i still love and play we9 alot, its def an amazing game.

i guess my bottom line is, i feel WE9 v FIFA WC 2006 really is personal preference. they are both amazing soccer games, but they kind of occupy different niches in the market...almost like, theyre aimed towards different types of gamers, if u will.
if you're really concerned about having MORE teams and MORE leagues and MORE players, uniforms, faces, etc. and can ENJOY fifa for wat it is; a simpler, easier/less challenging, more basic soccer game, maybe FIFA is right for you. (i guess if u really want a challenge from FIFA, you can play at the highest difficulty setting. i only play at semi-pro cuz im naturally not that great at games heh) i think because of FIFA's complete-ness with all the licenses, etc. and its beautiful presentation, its also like a collectors item. after all, it is FIFA, the international organization, so its gotta be 'official' =)

but, if you're a hardcore soccer gaming hooligan, who is picky about every little detail of the actual playing of the game, nothing does it better than WE9. WE9 i feel is also MUCH deeper of a game, which u can even see from the thickness of the manual, compared to FIFA WC. i feel that WE9 is a little more challenging, and you need to be really precise with your moves, and know how to do all the 100000000 different moves you can do by pressing different combinations of buttons. EA's controls are A LOT less sophisticated. i find this good and bad for WE9; good because you can do so many more moves in the game, making it alot more colorful (that is, if youre good enough to DO the moves without a problem =) . ) but bad because i find myself getting confused because there are so many moves u can do.

also, remember, it takes some work to patch it so it has real names/teams,etc. but if u kno wat ur doing, its not that hard. AND another plus is, since theres such a huge following and community behind PES/WE series, theres SO MANY patches/updates/optionfiles or watever u want to call them, available online. this keeps WE9 ALWAYS up to date, with updated rosters, and even updated uniforms. i just downloaded a kit that had all the new 06/07 uniforms, something that FIFA 2006 does not have. i dont know if there are patches for FIFA that does this too, i've looked a little but havent found any. maybe i havent looked hard enough.

the WE series got me sold, no doubt. but, i love simplicity and i love all the licensing that EA has, so im gonna stick with the EA series as well. i personally have decided i am more of a FIFA guy right now, but i will def keep an eye out for WE10, when it comes out in the states!!


hope you guys found my review helpful. just remember, realistic games are cool, but REMEMBER TO HAVE FUN!! whether u find fun from konami or ea, is ur choice, but i dont want people to automatically dismiss the FIFA series because everyone seems to like the WE series more. cuz i think i like this FIFA game just a liiiitle bit more than WE9!

my recommendation: do what i did. download the demos for both sides and play them, see what you like! they're DIFFERENT games, sometimes i find it hard to even compare the two because WE9 seems much more 'serious' as a game than FIFA. again...this doesnt mean FIFA isnt fun. =)


enjoy fellas, let me know what you think!


btw....anyone know when WE10 and FIFA 07 are coming out in the states?

Well I am a new member so I reply now to this old thread :P !

I won't review Pro Evolution Soccer or say something about Fifa..........

I will just say:

If you want to play football,play Pro Evolution Soccer.....If you want to lose time from your life messing up with a crap just play Fifa........

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:clapwap: :Bow: (Y)

i have both FIFA 2006 and Pro Evo 5 and you know what im going to say..........Pro Evo kicks butt someone said earlier its hardcore gaming fun for people who want challenege and on FIFA i was playing with Palace and i mustv had millions of shots on goal on Professional level and i played 4 start on pro same as equivilant to Professional level on FIFA 06 and I lost to West Ham 1-0 i was Man United so pro 5 is the most realistic......i wish KONAMI made cricket games they would be so good people say BLIC is the Pro Evo of cricket well its crap and EAs beats it but anyway sorry for going bit of topic.

Chhers!!!

i change my mind.....i think im in love with we9..... *sigh*

Having played both games at my friends, I must say they're both pretty crappy. Konami sucks because it doesn't have any licenses and you must rely on modders to get your game fixed which is really annoying. both are easily modded, however FIFA doesn't limit you, you can edit everything in fifa... everything and you can add as many team, leagues, faces, boots as you want. But it must be done externally. PES always you to edit ingame something very limited in FIFA, however you are more limited overall cuz you can't add new teams or new leagues, more faces, more boots... you can only replace.

The gameplay is hardly better in PES, nonetheless it is better as there is much more depth to it, formation options, player abilities with there being much more attributes and all that. I like how the players wear the uniforms seasonally, intro scenes of a match, starting in the tunnel, the anthems, the photo, when you win a championship your on podium, scoring when you're offside and the goal isn't counted, goalies getting red carded. To me that's where FIFA greatly lacks, its the depth in realism.

FIFA, has much better in atmosphere, way better commentary, the chants, NT anthems, rivalry atmosphere, FIFA really bring it to life. The graphics are better, FIFA actually use a lot more vertices in the models than PES. As I see it, FIFA has way better faces, but the bodies are odd. I hate how Konami uses 4 skintones for the textures, in FIFA if you want you can mod a player and make him purple. The menus in fifa, the interface overall is a lot better. Career mode is fanatastic.

The only reason I'd ever really play FIFA is because of the depth of teams and leagues and the fact that they're licenced and the atmosphere. Ockham's patch is probably the only reason anyone would play fifa these days and because of NK's gameplay patches. I'd play PES because of the depth of the gameplay and realism in matches. I think if both games were to merge somehow then you'd have a great game, only if you took the things that make them great that is and then I'd say its worth a buy otherwise I wouldn't settle for either. In actuallity both developpers can learn a thing or two from the other game and EA seem to be going in that direction and I hope Konami can do the same aswell.

hiya to everybody

Really man theres nothing to talk b/w the two games.
theres a huge difference in gameplay.
konami's far better than fifa

Konami sucks because it doesn't have any licenses and you must rely on modders to get your game fixed which is really annoying.
This is not even a good example. Whats really annoying is a thing called exclusive contracts for licenses in video games. If anything and with using common logic, you should be annoyed at EA and FIFA for having an exclusive license thus making it impossible for Konami to make a fully licensed game.


Oh and just for correct info, Konami does have some licenses unlike how you said; they don't have any licenses.

A default PES5 has all Serie A teams fully licensed except Cagliari. It also has a full La Liga and Eredivise license.

Pes 5 is better than Fifa 06 becuase of the smoothet gameplay but the shooting in pro evo is quite bad. Fifa WC 06 is better than Pes 5 though, it just feels a lot better to play.

Pes is superior in gameplay over fifa. However, fifa sells more copies because it meets gamers needs.

Pes is up its own drainpipe as it is too difficult to master and the number of controller moves is an overkill for a game.

I love playing pes as the gameplay is better but I switch to fifa often because it is an easier game. I wish I had 4 hours a day to master pes5 but I rather be more productive and do other things.

PES isn't hard to master at all. I was playing 6 stars on PES4 (my first PES game) within hours of getting it, and I'm sure that some people took less than that.

Obviously for you it isn't. What I am saying is that fifa appeals to the mass market as it is better packaged and easier to play.

I admit to being naff at pes i have put a lot of work in and hardly ever score more than one goal a game. I think many gamers can find pes too intimidating.

I will never stop playing pes as there isn't a better option.

Relica, maybe ur using the Fifa tactics to score on PES.

In Fifa, you can always do the 'Cross....header', or 'Thru Pass...1-on-1' tactics to garuntee a goal.

And as far as the numerous controller moves in PES, I'd wish they double them every year. Adds plenty more depth into the game.

Like last year when they added the 'Inner foot' kick.

And as far as the numerous controller moves in PES, I'd wish they double them every year. Adds plenty more depth into the game.
Agree :fool:

Pes is superior in gameplay over fifa. However, fifa sells more copies because it meets gamers needs.

Pes is up its own drainpipe as it is too difficult to master and the number of controller moves is an overkill for a game.

I love playing pes as the gameplay is better but I switch to fifa often because it is an easier game. I wish I had 4 hours a day to master pes5 but I rather be more productive and do other things.

FIFA for kids

PES for people who want a real soccer game

i made the switch to pes 5 realistic game play and a lot more 2-1 , 1-0 matches and i didn't have to dload a patch fr it to be that way..plus i can play in emirates stadium :) :jap:

My user name says it all :jap:

I had fifa 06 for about 6 years and it was so easy even on lengendary.Winning 3-0, 4-0.
Then I rented pes and wow the gameplay was incredible and I rented winning eleven 8 cause 9 was already rented out.When you scored a you felt happy.You feel very emotional playing.Believe me fifa ppl play pes you won't regret it. :ewan:

Hang on, let me get this straight.

You have had Fifa 06, released less than a year ago, for 6 years?

Hang on, let me get this straight.

You have had Fifa 06, released less than a year ago, for 6 years?
He probably wants to say that he has been playing FIFA for 6 years,not FIFA06....

Anyway I want also to say(I have already posted this) that Fifa is a crap,and PES is REAL FOOTBALL!

the most fun in PES/WE series so far is that I like editing the players' names from gamefaqs.com.

Sometimes, it's better for me if Konami don't have the license FIFPro for the players' names. :amika: It took me days to finish it & I could play straight up to 4-5 hrs a day. :fool:

i've been a die-hard FIFA fan since 1996, but i just downloaded the PES5
demo and it was awfully good...

when will FIFA 07 and PES 6 be coming out in the UK? and what do we think
of the battle between those two? i just can't make my mind up!