pes5 demo first impressions [Archive]

Kame_Sennin

15-09-2005, 12:36:AM

Hmmmm... yeah good game. but after 10 games, i can't get used to automatic side steps... dunno, maybe my way of playing PES4 doesn't stand PES5 (sorry for my english, i don't know if i correctly write my thought ^^). But i know it's coming from me because the IA does not do sidesteps all the time like i do.... :boohoo:

but apart that, all his great ^_^ new animations, the feeling of players's weight is awesome, tackles, fouls... too many things for only 1 half of 5 minutes... shame on u Konami :jambo:

oh only one thing very disapointing: the "ball sound" when touching hit :nape: that does not feel real at all (imo) and the crowd sucks like always... please konami, hire a new sound programmer -_-

edit: scoring from long distance seems a lot easier. maybe because it was ronaldo and beckham ^^ or maybe i m a god :fool: (approx 30 m) and maybe sometimes tackling is weird because the referee doesn't see the foul. I tried to only very hard tackle an entire half, and i only took 3 yellow :p

big al

15-09-2005, 12:45:AM

The Don't

15-09-2005, 12:51:AM

im very dissapointed :nape: ; it almost feels like a patched version of pes4; i wanted something diferent ; the gameplay isnt that much diferent ; they did add some new animations of player movements ; but thats about it; to me personally feels like the old same stuff; now i can confirm why the wolf switch; iam right behind you dude. :boohoo:

Give it time..it starts to feel more unlike PES4 the more you play it, funnily enough.

Energia

15-09-2005, 12:51:AM

im very dissapointed :nape: ; it almost feels like a patched version of pes4; i wanted something diferent ; the gameplay isnt that much diferent ; they did add some new animations of player movements ; but thats about it; to me personally feels like the old same stuff; now i can confirm why the wolf switch; iam right behind you dude. :boohoo:
The gameplay is different, and if you dont'see this, you are not a good player of pes, as your friend Wolf, sorry, play at fifa06, it's your game!!! :ewan:

Johnny_Big

15-09-2005, 12:54:AM

Well...PES2 for PES3 great improvement.
PES3 for PES4 average improvement.
PES4 for PES5 is another average improvement.

First...the menu is really friendly. And the music rocks. Period.
Now...in-game. When I first made a dribble...I saw very different things. First...automatic sidestep...I love sidestep...so...good one. =P The dribbles seem more realistic, that 90º quick turns are over for real...then I noticed the new animations...really great...some new stuff there that is very realistic.
The passing is also great, with another new animations for passing...
The shooting system...I can't get used to it...but it is the biggest improvement of the game. The ball really curls! I did a controlled shot...and the ball curled so much it almost went to the corner flag! I was surprised.

I only made 3 games...but these are the first impressions...and very positive indeed.

flyinfifa

15-09-2005, 12:55:AM

alex i respect your choices .plz leave this post a complete-we fans space.

still 30min left before finishing downloading!

i wanna know,is the pace of the game slower than pes4 but faster than we9?

flyinfifa

15-09-2005, 12:57:AM

heyheyhey!another question is there a snowcovering stadium avaible in demo??

big al

15-09-2005, 01:03:AM

well this thread is demo first impressions ; so those were my first impressions ; i been loyal fan for some years on pes; this is why iam very more dissapointed; lets get clear iam not tryng to flame pes for you fan boys; thats just my personal opinion ; i could be easy for me blowing sunshine of those fan boys arses ; and saying waht a wonderful game but i cant i just cant; ill still playit thought and make some faces lol :hump:

tracertong

15-09-2005, 01:06:AM

I think its superb - I can see why PC gamer gave it 10/10 - the best football game just got better , and more realistic , love the more pyshical feel of it.

dap019

15-09-2005, 01:30:AM

I will surely like the game! I cannot judge very well playing a 2 minutes half, but it feels good! and if it looks like pes 4 I dont complain, I like pes 4 very much!
here's something I didn't knew that i want to share with you!

before the game you can make the strip selection and also u can choose which shorts, shirt and socks from the 2 kits heheh!!

totsata

15-09-2005, 01:39:AM

my first impressions after playing about 15 games are that it seems like the ref gives more fouls than before, it's a little slower which is not bad,after you score a goal you see the fans cheering from up close :rockman: new animations are good....i'll try to squeeze a little more fun with WE8I until i begin to play seriously PES 5. Overall an improvement from last year!!!THE MORE YOU PLAY, THE MORE YOU'LL LIKE IT. :ewan:

BioWizard

15-09-2005, 02:01:AM

hope a few more details will be avaiable in the full version.. anyway i think we can the evolution from 4 to 5 equal the one on 3 to 4... maybe less... i personally liked but i have to say, i was expecting more of it...

didn't play fifa06 yet but i think this one is good... but not 10/10

my demo hangs after i've injured Henry.. pretty strange, hope isn't any hardware compability problems and above all that the full version is ok ;)

9/10

Spurs4Life

15-09-2005, 02:22:AM

Feels just like PES4, I'm a little gutted, I thought the games gameplay would be significantly different to PES4, but it's not, I was hoping for a bigger change in the gameplay seeing as I win 4+ goals on 6 stars on PES4, but maybe I just need to play it more to see a difference in the AI. It's by far the best in the series, I hate the ball sound though, sounds like the players are kicking a log of wood around, the sound reminds me of an old SNES footy game. 8/10

Palatinus

15-09-2005, 02:48:AM

The most important thing for PES5 is a very good ONLINE MODE.

drjohnnyboy

15-09-2005, 02:49:AM

I've played about 15 halves and I have to say it feels better than PES 4 in the sense that players movements are more realistic and the ball physics are improved as well (not as bouncy and low shots/ passes run along the grass better)

The players do foul easily so I have to relearn how to play 1:1 defense, let the oppostion make the mistake....I find it is more realistic like that

Excellent goal variety, but Konami stilll hasn't worked on the goalkeeper animations (ie. all dives are 2 handed....that's one area I have to say FIFA excels)

Graphics are top notch too...but the players spikes still disappear on most cameras ;)

MightyTic

15-09-2005, 03:03:AM

Hard to say after only 6 games , but here are a few thoughts .. good or bad I am not saying ....

I think it feels more free flowing, the movement that includes the ball and the players.

I thought after a few shots that the ball moves a bit to fast, where as far as I can tell , fine if its a Lampard or a bobby carlos that's hitting it, but everyone that strikes the ball gets it moving at high speed ..

As for the fouls mentioned in WE9 , I didn't see that many and there were a few tussles for the ball.. seems ok??

I thought that the game felt light , were as PES4 you could feel the twists and turns, in PES5 I just thought that the passing and player movement felt light ? could be the animation and the speed of the players.. Now when you pess sprint you seem to move much faster than in PES4 .. The light feel could be a mix of animation speed and sensitive controls ???

Scored a great goal with Duff , a low cross came in and he as at the far corner of the 6yrd box, side volley meet the ball about a foot off the ground and the shot went down and across the far post under the diving keeper !!

looking good , just need time to get used to "what I think" is a lighter feel ...

Nikos Mihalakos

15-09-2005, 03:28:AM

The gameplay is different, and if you dont'see this, you are not a good player of pes, as your friend Wolf, sorry, play at fifa06, it's your game!!! :ewan:

dude show some respect for Wolf, he made some really good patches for pers, anywayz PES5 is awesome, great player animations, great gameplay, good graphics

rado907

15-09-2005, 03:31:AM

RicFlair

15-09-2005, 03:33:AM

I've played this game before....it's called PES4...... :nape: It's the same damn thing...

- Now I do have WE9 for PS2 and I must say it's harder -different - and a better game...usually they are always the same- not this time...and usually PC beats PS2 ..not this time.....Except the crowd is in the PC.

andy

15-09-2005, 05:12:AM

I only have the PS2 version of the game and I am beginning to like it more and more, although the "shoulder-to-shoulder" fouls are a bit annoying (they should have made this more sensitive), and Konami should improve on the "advantage" rule: sometimes I get fouled and instead of letting play go on, a foul is called which ruins the momentum....the good thing is that the D'Alessandro face is in there which is obviously a good thing for me :)

flyinfifa

15-09-2005, 05:40:AM

the chants are better

j4y3m

15-09-2005, 07:21:AM

im very dissapointed :nape: ; it almost feels like a patched version of pes4; i wanted something diferent ; the gameplay isnt that much diferent ; they did add some new animations of player movements ; but thats about it; to me personally feels like the old same stuff; now i can confirm why the wolf switch; iam right behind you dude. :boohoo:What where you expecting, what did you think was wrong with PES4? Too fast? Too easy? That's been fixed, headers are better, crosses too.

Nack

15-09-2005, 08:12:AM

Right got up this morning after downloading it all night!
I came on here to read peoples comments first, some negative and some positive, so I thought hmmmm before I started a game.

So now i've played a few, i'm blown away how good it is, and how much smoother it is compared to pes4, that was jerky as hell on my pc!

Graphics 9-10
Player models are supurb pitch and stadium, crowd general graphics are mash potato heads again, but I love them after you score a goal and you get a close up! (Small touch but it adds to the achievment of getting a goal)

Sound 7-10
Ok, but chants are going to be changed by us and i'll be starting a new fifa commentry patch aslong as the structure has improved!

Gameplay 10-10

Can't fault it, everything i've ever wanted is here, even an air-shot by zidane because the ball nudged of his standing foot! lol class
Passing and Tackling needs alot more attention to detail and is something that takes time, which is what footie is all about!

Overall 9-10

All I can say is this game is mint, and no slowdown, the goals even feel better than pes4, and the amount of swerve I can get on the ball now! wow!

Well done Konami, Fifa doesn't stand a chance for years to come :) !

Zygalski

15-09-2005, 09:04:AM

Way too early for any decent impressions. Play the game for a few days and see what you think then.

Nack

15-09-2005, 09:36:AM

Way too early for any decent impressions. Play the game for a few days and see what you think then.

No I don't think it is too early!
Maybe it just suits my style of play, but I feel I can hit any pass I want to, just so much more freedom than other PES games.

It looks and feels like proper football now!

I played the fifa demo and after about 10 games I was left feeling i'm really bored already of it, and just didn't feel I could control players how I wanted!

Pes thank god is spot on for that!

I know the game isn't perfect but it's the best around by far!!

CraigR

15-09-2005, 09:57:AM

Played a couple of extended games using the trainer. My initial reaction is that it is not a huge difference to PES 4 - but that it is the game PES4 should have been. Long balls feel better - much more natural weight than the high loopers they used to send up the park. I've only had like 2 free kicks against me, so I don't understand how people are complaining about constant fouls. It is definately harder, playing on 3 stars and it is a real challenge. Passing seems more fluid, not had any instances when a player has kicked the ball in the wrong direction to a player I didn't intend to pass to yet. Sidestepping hasn't been a problem for me at all, it is much more realistic this way. A player in real life can't just suddenly turn 90 degrees from the way they wer running. Gonna go play it some more, but it definately feels like an improvement.

Energia

15-09-2005, 11:15:AM

dude show some respect for Wolf, he made some really good patches for pers, anywayz PES5 is awesome, great player animations, great gameplay, good graphics
sorry, but I'm not a fan of wolf's patches, my PES/we, are patched directly from me and I like only WEndetta's patches... I think also that wolf is'nt a good player of Pes if it swich to fifa06!!!
:ewan:

ozivillan

15-09-2005, 11:40:AM

not played to much yet but my first impression of the game is that the players look a tad to big for the size of the pitch

faceNside

15-09-2005, 12:18:PM

Can somebody compare it to WE9 PS2? Cause its the game most of us here have played...

Thnx

DirtyShady

15-09-2005, 12:43:PM

better better better than PES4.

More rhytm, more animations, better gameplay, speeder, .....

Damo7

15-09-2005, 01:15:PM

Ok after 4 hours download i was very excited to have a go on this Demo and it hasnt disappointed. First game i thought uh whats changed........but now i have noticed alot of nice new animations, side steps good and the game flows nicely. Its not much better than Pes4 but when its all patched up this game will be absolutley fantastic. Love the pace of the game as its slightly slower which is more realistic. Nice one to whoever got the download :ewan:

MasterM

15-09-2005, 01:27:PM

I think the collision detection is improved. When you run into someone both player will fall or stumble. I just saw how two valencia players bumped into each other and one of them fell down. Funny to see.
I hope they improved online mode, without any lag, since i only play pes online.

ibo

15-09-2005, 01:32:PM

pro
the new animations are really great.. passing around looks by far more realistic than pes4.. also shooting is great now you can hit the ball on volleys more easy.. physics have improved too, now you must really fight for the ball.. dribbling is also more realistic now (no more easy like in pes4).. and the artifical intelligence can score wonderful goals and plays also very very good (sometimes you get the feeling you play against a human player..)... what i like also is that its more difficult to score goals (or maybe because i am playing it since yesterday night).. the new menu system looks also great for me.. kit selection has improved now you can choose between dıfferent socks or shorts etc..
Judging only by playing the demo, for me pes5 is a really BIG improvement..

contra
automatic replays are shown with same boring camera view (i want vertical view!)... the replays are too short (same as in pes4).. sometimes you get stupid fouls and offiside decisions..

At first it looks like pes4 but the longer you play it the more you will like it... for me the best gameplay in the series.. :)

pablocoo

15-09-2005, 01:45:PM

I love it :clapwap:

ddeweil

15-09-2005, 01:51:PM

I have a very very very slow computer but I just had to download the demo. I'm in the USA so we wont' get WE9I until January or February of next year..sooooo...even in slooooow motion I can tell the game is awesome. I just wish it came out sooner in the US! I was tempted to get FIFA 06 this year but after playing the PES5 demo, I have zero desire to get it and I'm waiting for WE9I!

Nack

15-09-2005, 01:53:PM

MasterM

15-09-2005, 02:31:PM

Axolote

15-09-2005, 02:56:PM

Free kicks are easier, good thing...

Less control on the ball when running...

I like it a lot...

Hope they improve the on line mode...

float

15-09-2005, 02:57:PM

Aftery playing few games I just wanna say, IT'S THE BEST FOOTBALL GAME EVER :wootman: and nothing else to add. It's so awesome.... in every single detail... I can't believe that animations are soooo smooth. Definately gonna buy it as soon as it appears in shops, nothing else matters :)

Payaah

15-09-2005, 03:40:PM

Is demo only for PC?

Sime0n

15-09-2005, 03:49:PM

Can somebody compare it to WE9 PS2? Cause its the game most of us here have played...

Thnx

Its different. In what way i'm not sure, dunno if its just cause its on pc so handles it better. It seems faster, and a little easier as in there is less frustration, but its still hard to score and you get tackled alot. People who have gone straight from Pes 4 to Pes 5 won't see what all the fuss about the complete difference in gameplay WE9 is. It seems like the winnign eleven series is almost now like a slightly seperate series to pro evo.

GloryHunter

15-09-2005, 06:56:PM

Tried the demo also and here's some of my opinions about the new pes. I played about 10 games (one 5-minute half) and first of all i'm glad to see that i was wrong about the game speed and you (slackker & Sime0n) were right. It's slower than pes4 and i think the speed is good.

The game feels smooth and the graphics are excellent. It's also true that this time the game really is more difficult and it's much harder to win balls. I think it's only a good thing cause now you really need to focus on passing so that you wouldn't lose ball so cheaply and you get even more satisfaction when you manage to score a goal (scored only 3 goals so far). However i didn't notice those shoulder-to-shoulder fouls that many have been complaining about. Actually i almost didn't commit fouls at all (no single yellow card). I think the best way to win the ball is trying to cut off your opponents passes since i find the sliding tackles little too slow. Player movements are also pretty good. Though still a little too much outside of foot passes to be completely realistic but improved from pes4. Some other animations also look weird when you're passing the ball but otherwise no complains.

What i dislike the most in this game are the goalkeepers. Unfortunately they look as stupid as in pes4. Everytime my shot has gone wide, they haven't even tried to save it. I quess this doesn't really affect on gameplay but it still looks stupid. It's strange that Konami haven't fix it...

I can't say much about long shots since i really haven't had space to try them but overall this is a good game (except the GKs :nape: ) and i think i can finally leave WE7I behind me...

john2gr

15-09-2005, 07:16:PM

My main problem with PES5 (as well as PES4) is the movement of the players.NOT the animations,the whole movement just seems so unnatural when you control the player.They are moving like robots and not humans.This might be cause of the speed of the game but truly have you watched a real match???I'm willing to try PES3 again and see if it's just my imagination but i doubt as i was playing some days ago a version of We Do It.The thing that i didn't like in Fifa was the robotic movement and the scripted events.The PES/WE series didn't have ANY of these things and now they have this robotic movement.If i have good framerate while recording a video with FRAPS i will upload it to show you what i mean exactly.A total new game from PES4???No way.A tweaked version??Exactly.So if you didn't like PES4 and liked the previous versions like PES3,you won't like PES5.

SlowSilver

15-09-2005, 07:17:PM

I think it's a fantastic game, shooting is much better.

theo

15-09-2005, 07:21:PM

The demo is much better than I thought it will be. As SlowSilver said, the shooting is a lot better, for example in PES4 you could shoot from 40 meters or so and get a nice goal but from the box you were sending rockets completely nowhere near the goal. Anyway, gameplay is better, so are graphics. I don't really know about the sound but we'll find out. Looking forward to get the full version.

Keemo

15-09-2005, 07:38:PM

lol some of you guys say the same thing every year...too fast, too slow, more open, better AI, worse AI...

everyone has to play it for themselves. :)

johan

15-09-2005, 07:48:PM

It`s funny when you read these impressions as some of us got bored of WE9 already..so it all sounds like old news.

Johnny_Big

15-09-2005, 08:10:PM

I just want a demo expander...=P

J_J_Okocha

15-09-2005, 08:14:PM

i actually like the game so far. i think it is a bit harder to score which is good and bad. i scored a nice free kick with beckham though which was tight. i like how on set plays the players make runs instead of standing in one place. i scored a great goal with robben on a free kick play. i had two men over the ball and i faked the shoot with the second man over tha ball and lampard the primary shooter passed it through to robben who had lost ashley in the crowd of players by making a diagonal run and he hit it one time into the top right corner.

min

15-09-2005, 08:39:PM

Still no antialiasing available like pes4 ?

gcagora

15-09-2005, 08:43:PM

I just want a demo expander...=P

Dude, take a look around....http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?t=126364

faceNside

15-09-2005, 09:19:PM

Beckham and Roberto Carlos' animations are identical to the real life's. I love how Roberto make passes with his chest. :)

Now long shots come in more often... if you manage to get a decent shot position, which is harder.

Keemo

15-09-2005, 10:11:PM

So far I love it compared to PES4. The new tackle/foul system is the biggest step PES has taken in years. I can see why some people don't like it. It actually takes skill and timing to tackle properly now. No more just running up from anywhere and slamming X button every time. It's great how you can walk up to them and your player will perform the correct animation if you are lined up properly (not trying to steal from behind or running too fast and crashing into them). Much closer to real life now in this area.
There also seems to be less stupid little bumbles that result in posession lost. You lose the ball more from bad passing and interception, like real life.

Finally there seems to be better movement off the ball by your players. They do a much better job of moving forward and filling open spots and pressing the attack. It's also much easier to grab the nearest player when there is a loose ball and pick it up. Before the players are always running away from free balls. :nape:

The passing in the back again plays stupid, dangerous, slow balls like PES3 did. WE9I will probably be the best version again since they usually fix this by then.

The animations are soo awesome. Almost everything is more realistic looking to me. The AI with Raul busted out some cool move that I sat and watched the replay for about 5 mins lol.

Game speed seems to be slightly faster than PES3 but keep in mind we are playing with the some of the best players inthe demo. A slow ass ML starter team will be different. I was able to make a run up the whole field with Toure without the AI doing some fake turbo crap to catch me. Was happy to see that.

gabs485

15-09-2005, 10:30:PM

i hate dribbling, love the game tough

Nikos Mihalakos

15-09-2005, 10:40:PM

one thing i just noticed, you can change the kits, i mean like away shirt with home shorts and stuff like that, thats awesome and realistic because some teams do that in real life.

john2gr

15-09-2005, 10:52:PM

You know...........i want to simply share these 2 videos with you.To show you that indeed PES5 sucks whether you are fanboys or not.Just go here : http://www.trance.gr/~john2/

Download these 2 videos of PES5 demo and........enjoy.
In the first one i'm passing and i'm pressing the left arrow to the new player.Now see how he reacts,he is even sliding.OMFG.That's the robotic movement of the game and it's there,whether you want to praise Konami or not.So now i want to ask all those reviewers,what's so special about PES5???Oh it's only the demo,oh well.Let's wait for 4-5 months and we'll see all the posts saying that PES5 sucks.The history is repeating itself.
In the second video you can admire the great goalkeepers of PES5.Simply no comments.In times like these..............Fifa seems WAYYYYYYY better,ROFL :D.

So there you have them.Two replays of the same match that show how sh!t this game really is.Now i know that the goalkeepers suck and in the previous installments of PES,but that robotic movement wasn't there.So is it PES5 any good??No it isn't,it's a hybrid of arcade and simulation with major bugs.So what did exactly Konami deliver??I guess nothing to be honest.So if you still enjoy this game be my guest.BUT PES5 has lost it's way.Konami have lost their way..............this is indeed a sad day for the fans of WE/PES series.

NoE

15-09-2005, 10:54:PM

john2gr

15-09-2005, 11:09:PM

The game is great! The player movement is much better now and I like the graphics as well, much better than Fifas shiny looking players.
But what the hell is up with freekicks beeing called all the time? I hate it!
The only thing that's better in Fifa is the dribbling. You can't do any nice tricks in this game.

What's the point of a game when you can't control the player you have??You may haven't noticed that robotic movement.Just do yourself a favour and download first the videos :) .Also i still believe that Winning Eleven 6-7 and PES3 were better than PES4 & 5 and any Fifa.

plus4s

15-09-2005, 11:26:PM

Well i must say , on first impressions brilliant. The graphics seem to be even better than pro 4. I have only played about 4 or 5 games on the demo, the first thing i noticed though was that the ball seemed as though it was heavier than normal, which made the shots even better. Also the gameplay seemed a little slower than pro 4 which again in my opinion made it more realistic. All in all it looks like it's going to be another winner for konami.
I have got the demotrainer installed also but i am unsure how to activate it, any help would be greatly appreciated.

Pes really does rule the roost :rockman: :rockman:

NoE

15-09-2005, 11:37:PM

Nevermind me saying this is a great game! After playing it some more, this sucks!! The constant calling for freekicks makes this game a real drag, you're never allowed to play som football!

lazoli

15-09-2005, 11:53:PM

Keemo

16-09-2005, 12:10:AM

I played a 20 min half and there was 6 fouls in the whole thing counting both teams...not much. Learn how the new tackle system works... :nape: Some people never will I can tell.

faceNside

16-09-2005, 12:24:AM

Players faces have much more poligons than in PES4, boots are fantastic, and 3D crowd has more variety than WE9 one

Perth Glory

16-09-2005, 01:14:AM

...General trolling...
You call that a bug? Now this is a bug
http://breki1.tvn.hu/fifa06%20demo%202005-09-12%2021-23-46-29.gif
http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?t=125931
:ewan:

john2gr

16-09-2005, 01:59:AM

Nuno

16-09-2005, 04:32:AM

I love PES5!!! I'll post my opinion tommorow from work, since I'm not about to stop playing.

SEPAKBOLA

16-09-2005, 05:00:AM

best part i've seen so far, haven't read the whole thread, but it was when there was a bad foul not called, then once the ball went out of play; the referee gave the player who commited the foul a yellow card. that was very cool.

peace
m.l

rado907

16-09-2005, 05:18:AM

fitba

16-09-2005, 05:30:AM

This is by far the best of the series. This is the greatest football game ever made. I really like all the changes. It runs like hot butter on my puter. Blows FIFA 2006 out of the water.

Nuno

16-09-2005, 06:51:AM

Damn, Chelsea's defence is a hard nut to crack. Maybe I'm just sleepy.

Anyway, this shoulder to shoulder thing that everyone complains about is actually one of my favorite things. I found away around it. I simply go for the ball not the player. It really punishes you for stupid tackles.

pablocoo

16-09-2005, 06:53:AM

Oh my god.............hahahahahahahaha.That was hilarious.In that case i rephrase it.<<In times like these......PES3 seems wayyyyyyyyy better>>.In fact generally i still believe that PES3 is way better than PES5.The only downside of PES3 is it's goalkeepers (now tell me which PES doesn't have a problem with the goalkeepers,lol).You can control the player without sliding un-naturally :D

Why are you trying to convince everyone that the game sucks?
It's the impression topic, everyone has own.
Althought majority says the game is better than any other, you still claim than FIFA and any other PES is better.
Just let us enjoy it, if you don't like it, don't play it...

steve_randle

16-09-2005, 08:11:AM

i think the pace is alright...com dun go close you down at your own half all the time..so you can pass at the back without pressure.. they also pass a lot..making me frustrated... the fouls are ok..some very realistic foul like pushing, tripping, blocking players off the ball.. and have you notice that some players after sometime have shirts tuck out....that's what i call realism..

Y2K

16-09-2005, 10:28:AM

the shirt being tucked out, is something people already knew ages ago. Even before the ps2 versions of WE9 was even out since the magazines had already shown it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/kamil_89/lampard.jpg

Nice;)

faceNside

16-09-2005, 10:58:AM

Woodgate is for PES5 demo what Stam was for FIFA 06 demo... An absolute wall!

Inevitable

16-09-2005, 11:21:AM

Y2K how are you running pes5 demo on apple?

j4y3m

16-09-2005, 11:27:AM

This is the greatest football game ever made.This perfectly describes this game.

j4y3m

16-09-2005, 11:28:AM

Y2K how are you running pes5 demo on apple?It's a visual style for XP I think.

MasterM

16-09-2005, 11:36:AM

Nevermind me saying this is a great game! After playing it some more, this sucks!! The constant calling for freekicks makes this game a real drag, you're never allowed to play som football!
You must learn how to defend, im not joking or trying to make a fool of you!. Im talking serious, because i only get 1 or 2 fouls called a match.
I am assuming you are holding R1 and [] + X all the time, dont do that, but time your tackles.
The fouling system of pes5 is the most realistic so far!

Keemo

16-09-2005, 11:48:AM

I simply go for the ball not the player. It really punishes you for stupid tackles.

Exactly. I totally love the new system. The best ever in PES.

Heheh, I just had a goal called offside in the middle of the celebration. Pires was dancing around and then he was shocked when he saw the linesman. Pretty cool.

jimbo118

16-09-2005, 11:56:AM

i find the tackling system much better, slide tackles can be very effective even from the side or behind, as long as i touched the ball the ref never blew up and played advantage alot...

i hope the full game remains the same as konami have had the tendency to increase the speed and decrease the difficulty imo after the demos...maybe its just me... :)

faceNside

16-09-2005, 12:15:PM

Match statistics are great. You can see how every goal chance was with a graphical scheme.

pefan

16-09-2005, 12:39:PM

Nevermind me saying this is a great game! After playing it some more, this sucks!! The constant calling for freekicks makes this game a real drag, you're never allowed to play som football!

Rough play wont work here...That premiership style refereeing will not be seen in Konamis games for a long time. which is a shame. Everything is a foul here. A lot like spanish football or champions league!

john2gr

16-09-2005, 02:26:PM

mapliopl

16-09-2005, 02:40:PM

I think its superb - I can see why PC gamer gave it 10/10 - the best football game just got better , and more realistic , love the more pyshical feel of it.

There are so many flaws in the game, the sound is just pathetic, and the lack of licenses and world teams cannot by any means deserve a 10/10... I'd probably give it an 8/10 or so, because Konami insists in not improving the sound, adding more world leagues (even if without licenses) and so on...

PC gamer is probably getting paid by Konami... or maybe they are just little fanboys :kader: :kader: :kader: :kader: :nape: :nape: :nape:

darklomba

16-09-2005, 02:41:PM

I think they couldn't have done better work than this.

I don't understand why everybody is complaining about the fouls... You shoud learn WHEN you have to go for the ball, instead of trying to take it away inmediatly, making and unnecesary foul...

The tackling system is great and the advantage law is incredible. And also the players seem to stand better when they are fouled and they always try to continue playing instad of falling to the floor.

The slowdown of the game makes it highly more realistic, and thus, a better game.

The ball's physics is excellent and also the way players fight for the ball with their bodies...

The only turnout will be the licenses, but I hope the patchers will manage that for us.

faceNside

16-09-2005, 02:51:PM

Too bad you cant see yet manual replays of faults or goal ocassions, cause when you choose replay, you can only see the player that is going to kick the ball in game again.

Kame_Sennin

16-09-2005, 03:27:PM

tracertong

16-09-2005, 03:28:PM

There are so many flaws in the game, the sound is just pathetic, and the lack of licenses and world teams cannot by any means deserve a 10/10... I'd probably give it an 8/10 or so, because Konami insists in not improving the sound, adding more world leagues (even if without licenses) and so on...

PC gamer is probably getting paid by Konami... or maybe they are just little fanboys :kader: :kader: :kader: :kader: :nape: :nape: :nape:

Go back to Fifa 2006 you silly little noob.

Han

16-09-2005, 04:02:PM

faceNside

16-09-2005, 04:18:PM

maybe except 1 thing: i don't like the new running animation, especially on players like Owen, they seem they are going to fall down :D

Though the likes of Roberto Carlos, Beckham or Raul run just like the real ones.

Aldaron

16-09-2005, 04:52:PM

I tried to run your video but my Windows Media-player doesn't recognize the codec you use. What do you use?
I can play other .AVI-files, but not yours :S

You must download FRAPS at http://www.fraps.com in order to install the codec.

By the way... could someone tell which are the possible moves with the right analog stick? Thank you!!!

What a great game guys!!! :bob: :fluffy: :rockman: :jacko:

Perth Glory

16-09-2005, 07:01:PM

Whoah, hey Han, long time no see :ewan:

Goddammit I hate Konami, I was thinking this year PES would be a let down(this is the last year for PS2 so surely there's nothing left to squeeze out of the PS2s hardware).

But NO! Yet again I cant wait for PES5 to be released so I can put my squad of Master League n00bs through their paces....I'm doomed to play PES every single day for another year :|

Best Football Game Ever.

Nuno

16-09-2005, 07:05:PM

ibo

16-09-2005, 07:06:PM

SlowSilver

16-09-2005, 07:22:PM

Haha, yeah. Alot of us will be doomed with you. :ewan:

:D

Han

16-09-2005, 07:32:PM

Whoah, hey Han, long time no see :ewan:

Yes, here I am again :)
I love this version too, but I would have loved if they did not remove the good points of WE9. That speed was perfect and also the way the defence was organized was almost like in real football.
Having said that, I think this is the best PES-game sofar and hopefully the lag will not destroy the game yet again for on-line.....
I have good hope, as I have the PES 5 beta-manual and on-line offers a lot more than that at LIVE last year (Xbox).

canucklehead79

17-09-2005, 12:11:AM

Game's good but I'm surprised more people aren't complaining about the long shot bug. It's driving me nuts, I can score at least two 35 yarders a game!

That and the keeper animations are the only drawbacks for me. Rest of the game is top notch.

Johnny_Big

17-09-2005, 12:23:AM

And by the way...in the game it is possible to score great goals from long range. Yesterday I even recorded with Fraps a goal with Zidane...what a total screamer.

ronaldo9

17-09-2005, 01:14:AM

con somebody help me please :jambo: the demo is greate and everything but but i want to play more minutes i download the settings, it says run game-info-exit then when i press run game, i got a smol window says failt to run! make sure this is in the game dir, i don't understand what that mean, does anyone had the same prob and know what to do many thanks :rolleyes:

ibo

17-09-2005, 01:40:AM

archkiller

17-09-2005, 02:55:AM

so when will the game be released?

john2gr

17-09-2005, 03:00:AM

I tried to run your video but my Windows Media-player doesn't recognize the codec you use. What do you use?
I can play other .AVI-files, but not yours :S

As Aldaron said,download FRAPS www.fraps.com and you will be able to :)

john2gr

17-09-2005, 03:48:AM

Someone said that collisions were better than the previous installments (not comparing with Fifa).Hmmmmmmmm let's see then.

http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/3543/collisiondetection0ru.th.jpg (http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=collisiondetection0ru.jpg)

Nope they aren't.Oh and my player is going to control the ball and what happens??The cpu player kicks the ball whereas it should have been a foul with a yellow card.Nice game truly,lol :boohoo:

Han

17-09-2005, 11:03:AM

As Aldaron said,download FRAPS www.fraps.com and you will be able to :)
Yes, thank you, that worked. Strange, some AVI's I could play and others didn't. Fraps fixed the problem. Looks like not all AVI's are the same...
I have a similar problem with running asf-movies. A long time I was able to run this format, but suddenly I cannot anymore.

Has somebody a solution for that?

I already downloaded the newest Mediaplayer with the updated codecs.

SlowSilver

17-09-2005, 11:25:AM

Harkrasar

17-09-2005, 12:25:PM

I've played about 20 games now. Here's a few things I noticed from the demo. I'm comparing Pes5 to Pes4.
First, the good stuff:

-Better, smarter goaltenders.
-Sliding tackles have been improved.
-More fouls being called by the refs (depends on the ref, btw). It makes the game a bit "broken", though. Slightly more tolerant refs and it would've been perfect.
-Game has been slowed down.
-Player movement is smooth and the jerkyness from Pes4 (ie. lack of animations) is practically gone. But...

Things I DON'T like about Pes5:

-...the players are slow and don't respond well.
-Passes are inacurate and most times you have no idea who you will be passing to.
-The new Controlled shot is a great idea, but try pushing X and the Black button at the same time on an Xbox controller. PS2 users don't have this problem, I know, but guess if that ticks me off as an Xbox user.

Currently, I'd say that Pes5 is slightly better than Pes4 and I'll probably play this game a LOT, but still. Some things about it just make me go berserk.

genesis

17-09-2005, 12:33:PM

played a few games in 4 stars mode, it' s totally outclass fifa06 demo, the gameplay is improved, touches of balls are very realistic. For me, harder to score, but it's good.

Han

17-09-2005, 12:40:PM

Harkasar, some points in your post:

-...the players are slow and don't respond well.
... I think you are talking about dribbling? They respond just a bit later than when you make a certain move with your gamepad, right? Well, that is intentional! In real football, you cannot make a move instantly; has to do with your body-physics. This was all wrong in PES 4, where you instantly started to dribble. That way you was able to dribble pass serveral players, no matter how weak that particular player was in dribbling.
PES 5 has fixed this unrealistic dribbling; now you can forget dribbling past ten men. If you are good you go past two man and that's it! This is how the game should be! Be happy with this realism :)

-Passes are inacurate and most times you have no idea who you will be passing to.

Hmmm.... I think inaccurate is possible, but you should be able to get the right direction.
Here the same thing like in dribbling: Sometimes your passer has low passing attributes, which makes the chance of a bad pass more likely. Did you notice the great bouncing of the ball, making ballcontrol harder? Bad passers will produce more bouncing passes than good passers. Also the quality of the pitch has to do with it.
So, know your players! If you controll a bad passer, don't let him make a hard pass, just pass to the man closest to him!
Really, some of your bad points are in fact good points if you recognize the challenge of it :)

I agree with you about the xbox-controller, but that can be solved by buying the Xbox 360, although that is not really a PES 5 problem.

Harkrasar

17-09-2005, 01:20:PM

Han:

... I think you are talking about dribbling? They respond just a bit later than when you make a certain move with your gamepad, right? Well, that is intentional! In real football, you cannot make a move instantly; has to do with your body-physics. This was all wrong in PES 4, where you instantly started to dribble. That way you was able to dribble pass serveral players, no matter how weak that particular player was in dribbling.
PES 5 has fixed this unrealistic dribbling; now you can forget dribbling past ten men. If you are good you go past two man and that's it! This is how the game should be! Be happy with this realism :)

Me: I agree on the difficulty somewhat. This new movement/dribbling system is better, but I still think it's too sluggish. I have troubles just keeping the ball away from the opponent. It feels kinda "scripted", like EA Sports games. You don't feel like you're in control. The dribbling in Pes4 was too easy, but at least the controlled player did exactly what you wanted.

Han:

Hmmm.... I think inaccurate is possible, but you should be able to get the right direction.
Here the same thing like in dribbling: Sometimes your passer has low passing attributes, which makes the chance of a bad pass more likely. Did you notice the great bouncing of the ball, making ballcontrol harder? Bad passers will produce more bouncing passes than good passers. Also the quality of the pitch has to do with it.
So, know your players! If you controll a bad passer, don't let him make a hard pass, just pass to the man closest to him!
Really, some of your bad points are in fact good points if you recognize the challenge of it.

Me: What I meant was, that if you have several of your players at the same direction and you try to pass there, you can't know who the passer will go for. I just tried another game, and there the passer once actually passed to a player who was the FARTHEST away(I only tapped the button, so I wanted him to pass to the closest one). Maybe it has to do with passing skills, but it feels, again, like the A.I decides things for you.

Maybe if I practice enough, I'll be able to control the ball better, but currently I just don't like it.

Han

17-09-2005, 01:28:PM

Nack

17-09-2005, 01:28:PM

The more I play it the more I love this game!
It's really making me think more than any other pes game, which is what i've always wanted.
Scored two great goals with raul and zidane in one match, and it was a real team effort, a real sense of achievment.

Ok it's got things that could be improved on, but to me it's just cosmetics, the gameplay will stand the test of time!

Also i've noticed the better quality players now seem to have alot more time on the ball i.e figo,zidane etc

Harkrasar

17-09-2005, 01:54:PM

I think I know why the whole passing system seemed to be fu**ed up. My MS Sidewinder Gamepad is possibly broken. :) I can't really be sure, but the direction of passes and shots seems totally random. I'll try the keyboard (the horror!!) and see what happens.

EDIT: The passes still seem kinda random, but not as bad as before. I'll have to wait until I get a proper controller, or they release the Xbox version. I'll just shup up 'till then.
Also, I HATE playing with the keyboard.

Han

17-09-2005, 02:09:PM

You can test it in the control pennel of Windows.
There is an icon for gamecontrols (donno if it's called that way; I have a Dutch version) and there you should be able to test and calibrate your controller.

Bummy_JaB

17-09-2005, 03:29:PM

thnx for the comedy john2g.... :ewan:

john2gr

17-09-2005, 05:22:PM

Go play FIFA then :boohoo: ...where this sort of thing happens all the time.

You must a newbie so i forgive you.In the back old days of PSX WE WERE LAUGHING WITH FIFA'S COLLISIONS AS WE HAD THE BEST COLLISIONS.And back then no hand and not foot were going inside other players.I pity you who haven't played the old versions of it :rolleyes:

SlowSilver

17-09-2005, 09:59:PM

You must a newbie so i forgive you.In the back old days of PSX WE WERE LAUGHING WITH FIFA'S COLLISIONS AS WE HAD THE BEST COLLISIONS.And back then no hand and not foot were going inside other players.I pity you who haven't played the old versions of it :rolleyes:

Oh of course, I must be a n00b, because I didn't agree with you PES bashing (once again). :boohoo: FIFA is still behind PES, in almost every department. Licensing is the only department I can think of that FIFA is winning, apart from that, it's the ol' crap from EA.

And yes, I'm a fanboy. :) But unlike you, I don't bash FIFA every chance I get, unlike you, who bashes PES constantly.

NoE

17-09-2005, 10:22:PM

After playing the game for a few more days now and learning the new foul system, I must say this is the greatest game ever! I mean how can EA even try to compete with this? Every aspect of the game is so realistic and the graphics are absolutely awesome! Can't understand people who say Fifa has better graphics. The players in fifa look like their made of china or something the way they shine! =)
Absolutely love it! Is the game due in october?

Ps. I started playing pes instead of fifa just a few months ago, so I'm no fan-boy!

NoE

17-09-2005, 10:26:PM

john2gr

18-09-2005, 12:07:AM

Oh of course, I must be a n00b, because I didn't agree with you PES bashing (once again). :boohoo: FIFA is still behind PES, in almost every department. Licensing is the only department I can think of that FIFA is winning, apart from that, it's the ol' crap from EA.

And yes, I'm a fanboy. :) But unlike you, I don't bash FIFA every chance I get, unlike you, who bashes PES constantly.

One of the unwritten rules is <<Pay attention to what the other is saying>>.Now like a good boy go and see what i consider best soccer game in the previous posts or generally from my post in this forum ;) .It seems nowadays that everyone who doesn't like the new installment of PES makes him a Fifa fanboy.Simply LOL,hahahahahahahahaha way to go mate :rockman: :clapwap:

Oh and about the bashing.I'm bashing it cause i see one of my favourite series being f*cked up.I've posted the videos and the screenshots.Let the PES return to it's roots,where collision detection and movement was perfect,where you were controlling 100% the players,with the simulation feeling that those versions had.Simple as that.

ronaldo9

18-09-2005, 12:17:AM

coz they want people to spend time useing the edit mode constantly.

ronaldo9

18-09-2005, 12:35:AM

you have to move that file into the mainfolder where your pes5 demo is installed. e.g. C:\Demos\PES5..
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thanx ibo finaly i manage to make it work :lui: this game is brilliant :rockman:

MasterM

18-09-2005, 01:31:AM

I agree on the collision detection when hitting a ball. It goes worse each year it seems. Now you can clearly see that there is no contact with the ball when a player shoots or when the goalie saves with his hands. Why i konami ******* good things up :kader:
And i agree with someone said passes seem to go their own direction, it happened in pes4 at times, but now in pes5 it happens too much. :kader:

jonileal

18-09-2005, 09:06:AM

I like the game a lot, i think its much better than the older versions, and graphically i like it too because they don't use all the RAM memory like the older ones.

Sprhr66

18-09-2005, 10:21:AM

This game is another good one from Konami. :jambo:

I like this game.I guess this will be in my cupboard of soccer games this year along with fifa 06.

All i want to know is that is there a 6 star like last year to unlock as i find it easy on the 5 star.

SlowSilver

18-09-2005, 10:54:AM

One of the unwritten rules is <<Pay attention to what the other is saying>>.Now like a good boy go and see what i consider best soccer game in the previous posts or generally from my post in this forum ;) .It seems nowadays that everyone who doesn't like the new installment of PES makes him a Fifa fanboy.Simply LOL,hahahahahahahahaha way to go mate :rockman: :clapwap:

Oh and about the bashing.I'm bashing it cause i see one of my favourite series being f*cked up.I've posted the videos and the screenshots.Let the PES return to it's roots,where collision detection and movement was perfect,where you were controlling 100% the players,with the simulation feeling that those versions had.Simple as that.

And where did I say that the collisions were great? Because if I remember correctly, I wasn't one of those people.

Han

18-09-2005, 01:19:PM

Here is the BUG of PES5,you can see it clearly.Head over to http://www.trance.gr/~john2/ and download the PES5 BUG.avi .The ball is coming to Henry and i'm pressing the arrows to get the player there and what is happening??????He is standing still.Now here is your "perfect" new Pro Evolution Soccer.I still think that Pro Evolution Soccer 3 is better and i gave you plenty of reasons and videos.
I agree with you. This is not what it should be.
But take into consideration that this is only a demo. There is another bug, where the game crashes after an injury.
I think you should look at the greater picture, how the game is as a whole.
Hard to tell from a demo, I agree, but at least you can get an impression how the game will be. Especially if you play it a lot.
Of course it is a bit silly if you compare this with PES 3, still saying that one is better. You know that! :)
What is your background about football? Do you play football and do you play it on a high level? I don't anymore as my age is well in the fourties :) I can assure you though, that football-wise this is a VERY good simulation of real football (FIFA does not come even close, also not with the newest version).
The new PES 5 understands all kind of tactics better than all versions of PES before. For instance manmarking has greatly improved and the marker does what a marker will do in real life. The nice thing is that the intensity of marking works as well, meaning that if the attacker walks away well out of the zone of the defender, he will act as you ordered: He follows him when marking is aggressive and he lets him go if the marking is normal. Also covering works great in conjunction with man-marking. The covering player helps the marker is he's in trouble and else he fills the gap close to the marker. In what game did you see things like this? It just shows the sheer class of the game. Of course, it is only an example, but it tells a story!
It tells something else than incidental futulities like a collision detection for which you need a big looking glass :D

kenjude

18-09-2005, 03:46:PM

Konami should improve on the "advantage" rule: sometimes I get fouled and instead of letting play go on, a foul is called which ruins the momentum

Funnily enough, I see that happen sometimes when I got to watch football matches. They need to sort that out there as well :)

darkmanlaw

18-09-2005, 09:32:PM

I have ben a pes/iss fan since the very first version on SNES(i did play fifa for a while(98 till 99).And as usual a good(not perfect)job of konami on their newest version.i'm glad that they have slowed the game down abit as its is true that in the previous version the dribbling was a little bit too easy(even with less dribbling players you were able to make you opposing players defending a nightmare).people may find the players slow when it comes down too dribbling,controls,... and so on but do bear in mind that like every new version,practice makes perfect!
a really positive point (especially for me as is crucial in during my gaming)is the controls players make after a lobbed pass.i use the lobbed pass(L1 + triangle) a lot and in the previous version the control of the player on the ball after the pass wasnt that well(a lot of slow and poor controls even if you with good attackers)now this seems to have been fixed and is much closer to realty.
the game to me has been improved.the game is much more "take your time and think" than "dribble here,pass their and shoot".... though :jambo: it is true that after all these yars konami have still not got the decor,music,commentary,rosters and licensing richt! :nape: ...ok,for me it may not be a problem as i do enjoy the editing but it is annoying that they have still not solved these eternal problems after all these years!
but still,Pes5 is the closest game too realty,and blending this REAL football game with an edit here en their and you get the BEST football game!fifa has done some good progress but they are still behind.
well done konami and cant wait for the full version and the next versions!!
ps:yeah how their they put valencia instead of barca(especialy after the crappy year valencia did in comparison to the good year that barca didi!à,its an insult!!! :kader:

darkmanlaw

18-09-2005, 09:41:PM

rchrd

19-09-2005, 01:17:AM

mapliopl

19-09-2005, 05:23:AM

Go back to Fifa 2006 you silly little noob.

FANBOY!!!

Just finished playing PES5, at least 10 different games... It annoys the hell out of me that automatic sidestep, it makes the physics seem to unreal, and somehow, the ball physics got worse this year. You can see the ball curving too frequently to either side and it looks as if there's wind pushing it away or something.

I love the player animations though, the graphics are really improving, faces are awesome, so are kits and hair..., except that the field itself still needs improvement graphically...

Sound is still blahhh...

Gameplay is still lovely despite some of the flaws I pointed out above... There seems to be a lot more control over what kind of shots you can take and just a slight timing or pressure difference will destroy a potentially good run... That rocks!!

I can't give it a 10 'cause I don't think it deserves that, specifically for too few world leagues and teams (even without licenses), sound effects, some still unreal physics on gameplay...

I'll say it deserves an 8.5/10, but I would probably raise it up half a point in the future...

Great game...

john2gr

19-09-2005, 10:50:AM

At the start ISS was a football fans game, now they're just like Fifa, making a few small but noticeable improvements in each verison to keep you coming back for more.

It's a good game but it's the same game as pes3, with a few tweaks. I'd download it, but as an owner or pes 4 I doubt i'd pay for it.

QFT.

@SlowSilver : Read your post.You clearly thought i was a Fifa fanboy.As i've stated and before in this thread that i'm not i said the "unwritten rule" for that part.Not that you said that the collisions were perfect (but it was mentioned from other people that there are better collisions in this new version.The funny thing is that it seems that the PSX WE games had better collisions.......but that's another story).

sniglet

19-09-2005, 01:01:PM

Ok, PES5 demo...

Love the new flowing feel to the game. Previous iterations of PES (especially on PC, maybe just because I still use a keyboard) have seemed a little stop start, not saying that FIFA was in an way better in this respect either. The game now dictates that you need to follow the runs of your fellow players much more closely which actually makes the game very difficult to play (this is a good thing).

I thought when I picked up the new PES demo that I'd score 3 per game just as I was in PES4 - how wrong was I. Still very inconcistent, sometime 0-0, sometime 0-1, sometimes 3-1 - and I'm loving it. I was hoping for something difficult and I got it!

Love the new animations on the players ... the passing system is annoyingly well thought out! Scored some really nice close range Arsenal-esque goals with flowing moves and tap in finishes. Shooting on the other hand is something I've still not got figured out. Scored some great headed goals and volleys from crosses, but rangey shooting is still a distant dream.

All in all I'm loving the new PES. Tackling seems much tighter, more physical (although refs are less forgiving). Can't wait to get the full version on PS2 and PC and get editing. Sponsor editing looks nice and easy now.

For the record, I really enjoyed the FIFA06 demo too. Seems more difficult this time, free kicks are better, long passing is awesome. The only thing I didn't like about it are the headers. Not to say you can't score them, but the animations look a bit weak and samey. I doubt I'll buy the full version, but I hope one of my mates will so I can get some playing time in!

simakperrce

19-09-2005, 06:33:PM

Those who know me know, that I haven't been the biggest fan of PES games in the past. As a matter of fact, I thought PES4 pretty much sucked a$$. And PES3 wasn't that great either IMO.

But this one... I have to flat out say: Konami nailed it. Hands down. People speak of "small changes"... I don't know what they are playing, but I am playing a game that feels considerably different from earlier versions. Ball physics, shooting (yes, finally a version where shooting feels like SHOOTING), speed, animations -- you name it. The flow of the game is so spot on. Finally i feel in control of my actions (well, most of the times.. sometimes the x-pass doesn't go where it is supposed to, but it feels like a natural thing) and when the CPU scores I don't feel cheated anymore, whereas in PES4 every goal I conceded somehow felt like a result of an ugly script. It seems Konami improved on the right things and toned down the annoying parts. Could they have listened to the complaints after all?

Anyway. I'd say this is a massive step forward. There are still annoyances (how could there ever be a PES game without?), like the over-sensitive referees, but unlike in PES3 or 4 they don't bother me (yet), because the rest is so good.

it's how it should have been all along. I am believer again.

simakperrce

19-09-2005, 06:39:PM

Yes, PES is a game what needs to be getting used to :)
About the passing: If there are serveral players you pass to, the ball will go to the place the passer is facing at, which is not the same as passing in the direction you aim at with your controller! Keep an eye on the passer and look where he is facing at. The same is true for the low and high trough-pass, but these are even harder because you can measure the speed as well and you do not aiming to a player, but an area. If you want the ball going to the place the controller is directed, you should use the right analog stick, but that is even harder to control :)

I love how the CPU finally has problems with passing as well. Gone the pixel-perfect 100% accuracy of older versions. I've been playing a couple of 5 star games against Real, and even on that level there were quite a number of stray passes (I'd say a realistic number). Even good ol Zidane pulled one or the other. Seems Konami has "humanized" the CPU after all.

I don't mind the more difficult passing system at all. This is how it should be. In earlier PES games a blind X-pass automatically found a receiver. Now you have to really pay attention where to play it to.

Dan the monkey

19-09-2005, 07:43:PM

I agree with you. This is not what it should be.
But take into consideration that this is only a demo. There is another bug, where the game crashes after an injury.
I think you should look at the greater picture, how the game is as a whole.
Hard to tell from a demo, I agree, but at least you can get an impression how the game will be. Especially if you play it a lot.
Of course it is a bit silly if you compare this with PES 3, still saying that one is better. You know that! :)
What is your background about football? Do you play football and do you play it on a high level? I don't anymore as my age is well in the fourties :) I can assure you though, that football-wise this is a VERY good simulation of real football (FIFA does not come even close, also not with the newest version).
The new PES 5 understands all kind of tactics better than all versions of PES before. For instance manmarking has greatly improved and the marker does what a marker will do in real life. The nice thing is that the intensity of marking works as well, meaning that if the attacker walks away well out of the zone of the defender, he will act as you ordered: He follows him when marking is aggressive and he lets him go if the marking is normal. Also covering works great in conjunction with man-marking. The covering player helps the marker is he's in trouble and else he fills the gap close to the marker. In what game did you see things like this? It just shows the sheer class of the game. Of course, it is only an example, but it tells a story!
It tells something else than incidental futulities like a collision detection for which you need a big looking glass :D

Yeah i really understand what your saying mate, i've been playing football for 7 years for a club and you need to understand and read the game well to be able to enjoy this game, as i know for a fact that sum of my mates won't enjoy it.

Han

20-09-2005, 12:18:AM

LOL Simakperrce, that indeed is not like you. I answered your PM already about the game :)

I find it somthing amazing that people say this is only a small change compared to PES 4 or even PES 3. The difference is really HUGE!

--> John2GR, what is your reaction on my last post, directed to you? Post 126.
I am curious about it :)

andy

20-09-2005, 03:53:AM

Funnily enough, I see that happen sometimes when I got to watch football matches. They need to sort that out there as well :)

Maybe they should begin by sorting it out in PES5, then who knows...maybe the FIFA federation will get an idea ;)

rado907

20-09-2005, 05:10:AM

darkmanlaw

20-09-2005, 09:14:AM

i'm very glad with this version but after many games i do think they have slowed it down a BIT too much...it feels like every player weighs more then hondred kilos..the players seem less flexible i think if konami could make a game where flexibilty,dribbling and speed is between PES4 and pes5 then it would be perfect.i find it a bit unrealistic that it is mighty hard to dribble with players such as Zidane and Ronaldo...i know that with more practice it will get better but it is a shame that they have diminished the flexbility sooo much and the automatic sidesstep...shouldnt of brought that in the game too me ....but apart from that a great game to play.bigup to konami :rockman:

Han

20-09-2005, 09:47:AM

Pinho

20-09-2005, 10:43:AM

Funny to see how different the opinions are...
We've had people saying PES5 is so bad that they converted to Fifa, and people who came back from Fifa because of PES5 and people who say there's hardly any change ;)
Anyway, I'll definately think PES5 is an improvement.

The referees are much better now I think, it supports a much more realistic approach in defending, instead of hunting opponents all over the pitch with the X button. And in the games I played the CPU finally makes more fouls as well, something that was almost absent in PES4, unless you were playing on 5/6 stars and leading the game.

The passing is less precise now what it should be IMO. Just look at a football match on TV and count the amount of wrong passes... Hopefully it will also prevent the situation that you play against someone else who's a n00b in PES but counter-attacks the crap out of you just by hammering the X pass-button.

And I guess I don't need to explain that the shooting is much more improved!

I can probably come up with much more improvements I noticed but I also wanna complain a bit...
I still don't get it why they can't get (or don't want to get) FSAA to work, every damn game out there has it (even Worms4 or other console-ports like GTA)
Sounds are just plain bad... the shoot and pass sounds especially are very unrealistic and annoying. Not to mention the crowd sounds... Almost unbelievable that Konami put in so little effort to make good sound. Especially in football games the atmosphere in the game is depending a lot on the pitch and stadium sounds.
And well, when it comes to licenses they lost AGAIN... but personally I can't be bothered so much because I know I'm gonna change things myself anyway, even if they had all the licenses from all the clubs of the world. It takes me a few weeks to get all the player stats and teams stats right, but then I'm a very happy man when I can finally start my Master League :rockman:

-William-

20-09-2005, 08:25:PM

is it just me or is it faster than WE8I? Also the shots seem to go too fast and strong..

ronaldo9

20-09-2005, 10:38:PM

yes the shoot is stronger, thats what i like the most in pes5 the ball weight, it fels more like pes3, but with few more skills and animations. pes3, passing was les acuratted which it feelt more realistic,(unlike pes4, the pass was driveing me crazy :kader: very unrelistic, it was way to easy to pass, almost every pass was with the outside the foot and so on) the shoot in pes3 was stronger and more random, i am glaud konami brought all this things back in pes5 :rockman:

john2gr

21-09-2005, 02:10:AM

LOL Simakperrce, that is something else than I am used of you :)
Already PM-ed you about it....

John2gr, I wondered if you did overread my reaction on my post to you (#126).
I am curious what you think about it ;)

I agree that some things like the manmarking are great Han.Frankly i don't remember saying that PES3 had better these things.PES3 had better control as i said.So now let me give you an example.

It's the final match of the championship and you have to win no matter what to get the trophy.You win with 1-0.You play hard and then suddenly the bug control happens when an opponent passes to an attacker.Cause of that bug you can't control your own player and the cpu scores a goal.You'll say <<Nyaaaaaaah,i'm gonna nail you down motherf*cker>> so you change the team system to a more attacking one (you can beat them after all,you know you can,you've seen it,you've played for so long and they aren't so hard).And now imagine when the collision problem happens near your goalkeeper (or should i say imagine the other video with the goalkeeper that i've posted) and voila,the cpu scores another goal.Suddenly you're behind with 1-2.How do you feel now after a match like this??Do you still praise PES5??

All in all these features you've mentioned are great BUT they are secondary.The primary features of a game are EXCELLENT collisions (for gods sake,this is 2006 and we had better collisions in 2000 with the PSX versions) and the RIGHT controls.What's the point to play a game with a great AI of your team players (controlled by the cpu) when you're pressing the right arrow and the player just sits there thinking of the last night with Suzzy.You know what i'd find great???To see my player flying high in the screenshot with the collision bug,to see the replay and confirm that IT IS INDEED a foul and to see the results after this event.Now tell me ONE soccer game in which you've witnessed this thing.None???Damn right.Konami should tweak and make perfect the primary features of a game.I can wait for the secondary ones.

Nack

21-09-2005, 09:02:AM

If you play in 640x480 res you get alot more control over your players!

try it and see

john2gr

21-09-2005, 10:49:AM

If you play in 640x480 res you get alot more control over your players!

try it and see

Just for the record i have an Athlon 3.0XP,1GB Ram and Radeon X800Pro 256MB.The game is running with constant 60fps so it's not really a graphics issue here.Even if it does have better control in 640x480 (i don't believe it,it's a programming bug the one i posted with the videos and it's quite bizarre to claim something like that,but who knows) i won't simply play it.If i HAVE TO play something in 640x480 i'll go and play the PSX old versions on EPSXE on 1280x1024 with FSAA x6 and AF x16 and still have better control :rolleyes:

dodgymanc

21-09-2005, 10:55:AM

I play mine in 640x480 and with lowest graphic quality...but it still runs like CCTV footage off Crimewatch! How can I get it to run more smoothly (smoothlier?!)

My PC aint that bad!

2600+ AMD Sempron
1068Ghz, 448mb RAM

The demo is great aint the! I noticed the keepers are a lot more reluctant to dash out on corner, the game is a lot more physical and Ronaldo can to the Elastico!! I love the way players stick thier legs out to collect stray balls, and the new animations and general play is amazing

john2gr

21-09-2005, 01:00:PM

-William-

21-09-2005, 04:07:PM

I still like WE8I more..I dunno the game feels really weird, like its too fast and the shots are too fast and its seems like Fifa

Han

21-09-2005, 05:44:PM

Oh dear this topic messed up last days. All my posts which did not show up when I posted it are suddenly all there :O
So let me try to answer some of the reactions to my posts.
--> Simakperrce, you are right, this is how passing should be. You cannot pass 100% all the time.

-->Dan the monkey, I recognize your problem about friends who will not enjoy it... let them play over and over again to get used to it, especially the radar is something you have to learn to use, else you never play this game well :)

-->Darkmanlaw, you get that heavy feeling if you try to force things. This turns and twist as well as any other version, but they build in a small delay of response and that makes the player move much more natural. It's unhumanlike to twist and turn in the blink of an eye, like it was in PES 4.
You should time different to get a player dribble well. Just a matter of training.

-->John2gr, would you call it secondair the way the game now dribbles, passes, defends etc? You cannot be serious. I expect those collision problems to be removed by Konami for the final release. Don't forget this is only a demo... BTW you cannot compare collission detects from games of a previous decennia with those of today, because nowadays games all use 3d graphics, while those of 5 years ago were mostly in 2d. So, now the need to detect in x-y-z coordinates and the olders were only needed in two dimensions (x and y coordinates).
BTW John, you mess up two things: The game-features we talk about and a technical detail in programming: Collission detection.

Nack

21-09-2005, 07:11:PM

Nack

21-09-2005, 07:19:PM

Just for the record i have an Athlon 3.0XP,1GB Ram and Radeon X800Pro 256MB.The game is running with constant 60fps so it's not really a graphics issue here.Even if it does have better control in 640x480 (i don't believe it,it's a programming bug the one i posted with the videos and it's quite bizarre to claim something like that,but who knows) i won't simply play it.If i HAVE TO play something in 640x480 i'll go and play the PSX old versions on EPSXE on 1280x1024 with FSAA x6 and AF x16 and still have better control :rolleyes:

Well that's the res the ps2 plays on, if you notice by the higher res you put it on the less responsive the players are, as it's basically a ps2 port.

And fsaa isn't supported in pes so there's no point in having it switched on, only have anistropic filtering enabled on 2, 4, or 8 depending on system speed

john2gr

21-09-2005, 07:47:PM

-->John2gr, would you call it secondair the way the game now dribbles, passes, defends etc? You cannot be serious. I expect those collision problems to be removed by Konami for the final release. Don't forget this is only a demo... BTW you cannot compare collission detects from games of a previous decennia with those of today, because nowadays games all use 3d graphics, while those of 5 years ago were mostly in 2d. So, now the need to detect in x-y-z coordinates and the olders were only needed in two dimensions (x and y coordinates).
BTW John, you mess up two things: The game-features we talk about and a technical detail in programming: Collission detection.

They won't remove it and we all know it Han.I mean they still have the same buttons of the PS2 (it's the third version of PES for the PC and we still have start and select in the replay menu),i'm sure they won't bother with fixing the game right now.This is the same with the final version (much like PES3&4 demos were the same with the final versions).Also i am not comparing it with a 2D game......i'm comparing it with the PSX version of WE which was also 3D.And i don't want right collisions of the players fingers (now that's really something ridiculous to ask for),i just want the same with the old ones :) .As for the movement bug i haven't tried it in 640x480 as i've uninstalled the demo.Lastly as i said Nack i would go to play the PSX emulated version of WE (via EPSXE) in which you can have FSAA :) (although i have to say that i see a little change (particularly on players) by enabling FSAA in PES3-4-5 but it might be and my imagination.I'll have to compare same screenshots to see if it does help even and a little).

Han

21-09-2005, 07:58:PM

Well, I have the PES 5 beta for the PS 2 as well and there I don't see those collision-problems. I guess they sacreficed some frames (and thus making collision failiures more likely) to fix the slow-down problem. The slow-down isn't there anymore and Seabass said before that the PS 2 is at the edge from their capabillities in PES.
I am a programmer myself and for me it makes sense to do this to get rid of the slowdown.

Perth Glory

21-09-2005, 11:40:PM

Ok - collison detection issues are not going away any time soon

Collision detection is still is a major headache for games developers(and has been since the invention of 3d) and the only solution is to create an engine capable of replicating the laws of physics.

The older games are no better. ISS PE players never really made contact with the ball,if you zoomed right in and spun the camera around the point where the players foot was supposed to hit the ball...but who's anal enough to get caught up over that :nape:

Anyway the demo is amazing, I need the full game now :|

There is not better football sim available.

Y2K

22-09-2005, 09:50:AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/kamil_89/owen.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/kamil_89/raul.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/kamil_89/salgado.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/kamil_89/becks.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/kamil_89/pires.jpg

Some screenies...

pefan

22-09-2005, 10:14:AM

No matter how good the game is and how near perfect it is, despite it being the best football game on the market people will still complain!!!!!! Try to enjoy the game for one minute... :boohoo:

iulian

23-09-2005, 05:43:AM

One amazing thing I noticed during one of the first games I played is the "advantage rule" after a gross foul.

At one point, one of my players made a really hard tackle on an opponent, but since the other team ended up with the ball, the referee did not stop the game. When the play finally stopped for a goal kick, the referee went back to my player and gave him a well-deserved yellow card.

Absolutely brilliant! I could not believe my eyes!

Sprhr66

23-09-2005, 08:17:AM

GUYS is this a bug or what.It was suppose to be a goal but not given. :jambo: :jambo: :jambo:

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/9840/nogoalwtf4ex.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

kenjude

23-09-2005, 09:04:AM

The whole ball isn't over the line there. No goal, no bug.

globiboulga

25-09-2005, 12:03:AM

The game 'feels' much better than PES4 and is more realistic (it's a bit slower). I like the fact that there's plenty of ball possession losses (especially in the midfield area), again much more realistic. Plenty of little stuff have been twicked in the right direction. The goalkeeper is not perfect, but that's an improvement...

Anyway, I like it better than PES 4, so here's the list of things that still bug me:
- the CPU does plenty of fauls within the penalty area that are never sanctionned, including the very obvious I PUSH YOU AND YOU FALL (I hate this one, it should disapear). Now I understand, there were too many penalties in PES4, but this aspect of the game is just real annoying.

- It is now nearly impossible to have a player dribble or do an acceleration that can lead to a clean possession. It's an all passing game. That's nice, but frankly it's getting boring (now, maybe with lesser powerful teams, there might be a difference there). As it's been noted, even top wingers managed to be caught back by defenders...

- Still no straigth red cards for obvious fauls (last defender, harsh tackle - not that the CPU would do it anyway)... That's pissing me off when you manage for once to have a stricker getting away, being tackled by the last defender, and all you get is a lousy free kick... :kader:

Other than that, I really hope that the ML has been improved and that you can really play championships with two or more divisions in each on them... Obviously, my dream here is to have a semi-management game where you can take a minuscule team and rise it to the top... I also really hope the transfer system is improved and that you get money from other sources than just wining matches (wining cups, attendance, sponsorship...) the current system is just way to stupid.

This last element will be critical to me buying the game. I won't just by a freshened version of PES4.

Manutd1

25-09-2005, 12:20:AM

Haha glob, all of the things you mentioned - I expirience every time I play :D

I get a lot of penaltys, I manage to get a lot of red cards when tripping the CPU from behind, and most important: I can easily get away with Pires and Vicente on the wings

globiboulga

26-09-2005, 07:15:AM

And I forgot the still to be improved player management when close to the lines (stopping trying getting the ball when it goes off at your advantage - and still protecting the ball)

globiboulga

26-09-2005, 12:51:PM

And the throw in - when the CPU has the ball - suck as you cannot press its players...

Anyway, overall rating of the demo: it sucks
I have played long enough now, gone back to PES 4 and I prefer the older version... :ewan:

smokester

27-09-2005, 11:35:AM

I found it supurb. the animation of the players are better, the through ball is not as bad as it sounds considering the players and teams in the demo. chelsea always use the wings and always have space, as do arsenal.

the goalkeepers have improveds too.

i just played the fifa06 demo and played one half. beating bayern 8 - 0 all shots from range. and pes5 i still have on after a week of playing it. show's how much better it is.

the range of one touch moves you can do are amazing too. and they have improved what moves players can do. my rating 10/10 or for the people who are going to complain then 9/10

too many people compare games to real life...dont. compare them to the alternatives that are out :)

JanerAli

30-09-2005, 01:39:AM

MY 1ST EARLY IMPRESSIONS ARE THAT IT'S JUST A PATCHED VERSION OF pes4 (WHICH IS NO BAD THING, although would have preferred more evolvement)
Seen no options yet for AA which is a fcking joke tbh (thank god for rad link)
Menus/presentation are still far inferior to Fifa
Fouls are too easy to give away too
And still no excuse for not having the proper licenses

/edit I judged thsi too early, like the old checstnut "the more u put in the more u get out" is true

Game is really drawing me in now.

ozivillan

01-10-2005, 12:40:AM

Well i sat down with my 2 sons last night (aged 24,21) and gave the 2 player mode a good 4 hour workout, 10 minute games, winner stays on, it was superb, plenty of jumping out of seats, telling the ref what they thought of him, runs around the room with shirt front pulled over heads after scoring, PES5 demo is a good game in single mode, but playing player v player, made the game even better, my eldest son won the title of King of pes for the night with a winning streak of 6, look forward to a return leg :)

ozi

Zygalski

01-10-2005, 12:59:AM

Han

01-10-2005, 10:19:AM

Well said Zyg, it was a long time ago that I did read similar nonsense as in JanerAli's post :rolleyes:

JanerAli

02-10-2005, 01:52:PM

Excellent goal variety, but Konami stilll hasn't worked on the goalkeeper animations (ie. all dives are 2 handed....that's one area I have to say FIFA excels)

You are wrong, keepers also DO 1 handed saves, has happened twice to me now.

JanerAli

02-10-2005, 01:54:PM

go back to sleep kid. :crazyboy:
After alot more playing I can see alot more subtle things and improvements, the AA though I was correct about.

niceman

06-10-2005, 01:45:AM

Hi,

First played the demo 1 week ago :Bow: .

OMFG this is a big improvement. The midfield game has been implemented which i think lacked in previous versions. Nobody can run down wings without playing the ball around. Dribbling is difficult but after a little bit of practice it is possible to dribble and shield the ball. Shooting has improved too. Holy crap i shot a canonball in the nets with Gravesen (after 8 games where he was shooting the ball to the moon i finally hit a blast on the post and goal). Now u cant score long rangers by trapping the keeper out the goal. I simply love it and will give it a good go despite of all the physical training i have ahead of me! I guess the days in ML on 6* with scores like 12-0 r definately over. I praise the Lor...*cough* KONAMI!

PS and btw ohhhhh yes he is back stronger and more evil than before! :taz:

DryHeat

06-10-2005, 01:55:AM

niceman

06-10-2005, 02:54:AM

I doubt it. My highest score so far is Arsenal 10 Real Madrid 1 in a 30 minute 5 star game

Dont worry ill take u online :taz: .

Aquadark

06-10-2005, 07:45:AM

Any significant differences between the first demo, and the new - "With Speech" one (not the fan-patched versions of the first demo, the second official from Konami) ?

Energia

06-10-2005, 10:51:AM

Any significant differences between the first demo, and the new - "With Speech" one (not the fan-patched versions of the first demo, the second official from Konami) ?
yes the second is scheduled better! More playable, now dribbling with R2 is more controllable, and all the gameplay is more smooth...I think Konami has optimized the graphic engine for pc plattform, I remember you that this game is a total porting from PS2...