We're going to be left scrapping for the likes of O'Shea...
Hell you dont have to scrap, just take him already!

So you lose the Dubai group backing all because Moores realised that he would get £8 million quid more on his shares if he sells to Gillet. Dubai offered him £80 million quid for his shares but he thought it wasn't enough. Now you'll be owned by a bloke who runs a hockey team and wants to groundshare with Everton instead of building a new stadium.

What a selfish greedy bastard Moores must be huh? He's gonna sell anyway so why not sell to the bidder with Liverpools best interests at heart. Obviously Moores thinks that £8 million quid is more important than the future of Liverpool. He has sold you lot down the river. Premier League had nothing to do with any of this. Moores did this all on his own.

That was exactly the first thing that came to my mind. But bearing in mind that thus far, no one has concrete details of what went on, and the circumstances in which DIC pulled out, I'm thinking there's definitely a lot more to the story.

The club had no choice but to listen to other offers by the rules of the takeover panel. They took off sharpish before it got any further. I think the speed at which DIC have chucked their toys out of the pram and left in a huff is the most incredible aspect of all this.

The slightest sniff of competition and they're off.

All I can say is none of us know yet what has really gone on, but for a group of 'fans' who made noises about the 'long term future of the club' they didn't seem willing to even wait a few further days for the outcome, let alone fight for the right to take this club forward.

Be interesting to see what comes out of the club in the next few days.

So, Mascherano signed but the Premier League will take its time to allow him to play for Pool.

I'm not at all familiar with takeovers but did Liverpool/Moores really do something wrong? Aren't they forced to consider any offers made?

Really weird that Dubai pulled out so quickly. Surely, if they were sure they'd take the club forward and were willing to do it they'd beat Gillett's competition? Even more so if Gillett wants to share a ground with Everton?

Gillett has already confirmed in writing that he is not for groundshare. Anyway while the Premier League are dangling their bollocks over Mascherano, we've got a massive game this Saturday. A thumping is imperative, if not in scoreline, then in performance, but 3 points is what we're gunning for.

Meanwhile, here's a recap of our transfer window dealings:

1. Javier Mascherano (ARG, DM 22, 18 Month Loan)

2. Alvaro Arbeloa (ESP, RB/CB 24, £2.5M)

3. Francisco Duran (ESP, M 18, up to £260k ??)

4. Sebastian Leto (ARG, LW 21, £1.85M) - Won't arrive until the summer

5. Emiliano Insua (ARG, LB 18, 18 month loan)

6. Astrit Ajdarevic (SWE, AM 16, up to £1.6M)

7. Jordy Brouwer (NED, ST 19, Free)

8. Danielle Pardelli (ITA, GK 21, 6 month loan - fee agreed)

That was exactly the first thing that came to my mind. But bearing in mind that thus far, no one has concrete details of what went on, and the circumstances in which DIC pulled out, I'm thinking there's definitely a lot more to the story.

The club had no choice but to listen to other offers by the rules of the takeover panel. They took off sharpish before it got any further. I think the speed at which DIC have chucked their toys out of the pram and left in a huff is the most incredible aspect of all this.

The slightest sniff of competition and they're off.

All I can say is none of us know yet what has really gone on, but for a group of 'fans' who made noises about the 'long term future of the club' they didn't seem willing to even wait a few further days for the outcome, let alone fight for the right to take this club forward.

Be interesting to see what comes out of the club in the next few days.


Very true of course. Well I just sincerly hope that it all works out well for the club and its fans.

DIC sure did throw a major wobbly so it does make me wonder what really went on with all this. Anyhow....good luck with this(Y)

The DIC deal was months in the making and close to a complete signing. Gillete was nowhere in sight for a while and all of a sudden they re-announce their persuit of a takeover bid. By Moore and the board giving them a sign that they may be able to accept a new offer , DIC must of felt this like a slap in the face. Thus causing them to say, screw you guys, we're pulling out.

At least this is how I feel things came about.

Whats the structure of the Javier Mascherano deal?

I think its a 18 months loan...

I dont know if there is an option to buy him...

He can learn a lot from Gerrard...specially how to score goals like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yIn7VAcFyU

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_1898768,00.html

So Liverpool are going to be taken over by this American tycoon. Knowing the Scousers they'll probably still chant "USA, USA, USA" when they come to play at Old Trafford. O the irony of them chants.

You'll sing "united" and we'll sing "states" it'll be one big happy yankee party. Wont that be lovely. I think the big difference is that you lot got taunted because you were all anti-glazer anti-usa with that whole "Not for $ale" campaign.

Anyroad, we're without a cent of debt effectively, and most importantly, with a new stadium on the way and better equipped on the transfer front. Early days, but hope is a beautiful thing.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/soccer/02/06/bc.eu.spt.soc.liverpool.takeover.ap/p1_liverpool_0206.jpg
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First of all, why Liverpool Football Club?

George Gillett: Firstly, we're not going to sit here and pretend to be the most knowledgeable of Liverpool fans because that's clearly not true. I can say, though, that our families are big football supporters. We have been watching European football for several years and on a recent visit to this country we were advised about the possibility of meeting with the Chairman and Rick Parry.

Tom Hicks: I have been in the sports business for 12 years and with 162 baseball games and 82 hockey games a year, I was not looking for another team. George called me about a month ago and explained what he thought was the vision and the opportunity at Liverpool. I have followed the English Premier League from afar because some of my business friends are ardent fans of the game. When I looked into this over the past month I was awe-struck with the history and the true passion of the fans compared to other sports I am involved with. The Texas Rangers have been around for 36 years and the Dallas Stars have been around for 13 years, so to have a chance of getting involved with a team with more than a hundred years of history and with fervent fans is something which really excited me. After a couple of weeks I told George I was seriously ready to be his partner. We came over last week to do some due diligence and to meet David and Rick. We went to the West Ham game which was a good win and then the following night we went to see the new Arsenal stadium when they played Tottenham. We made our pitch to David and the board and, fortunately for us, they accepted it.

George Gillett: Tom and I have been involved in sports for a long time. When you sit in our little country you get an unusual perspective and probably an incorrect one, because we think our sports are pretty popular. Then you come over here and see the tribal aspects of the fans and their affection and support for the team and realise it's a game which is watched by billions. You quickly see this is the most popular sport in the world and that this is one of the most popular clubs in the world. To have the opportunity of getting involved in this is a rare privilege.

It's a well managed club but we believe we bring some experience which the management can draw on to make things even better. Tom and I are a little put off that people assume everything is about money, because we really hope we have some ideas as well as some capital.

Tom Hicks: We have both been involved in building and modifying new stadiums so we think we can bring a lot of good ideas to the work which has already been done which will be to the benefit of the fans and the club.

The reason any businessman goes into sport is because they have a passion for winning. Despite all the success I've had in life, nothing has given me more satisfaction on an emotional level than winning the Stanley Cup in 1999 and being able to get my hands on the trophy. At that moment my smile touched both ears.

It's been an uncertain time for the fans over the last few weeks, so how can you reassure them that the club they cherish so much is moving into safe hands?

Tom Hicks: I don't think David Moores would have chosen us to be the new custodians of this football club unless he was convinced we share that same sense of responsibility. We view this as a very long term process. Most people who come into sport do make mistakes but we have been in the business a long time and we know the importance of stability in terms of the team, the players and the fans. We are fortunate here that with Rick and Rafa we already have stability.

What do you hope to achieve with Liverpool Football Club?

George Gillett: We had the privilege of spending some time last night with Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher and they delivered us the message. They are all about winning and all about the passion from the fans. They asked us three specific questions:
They wanted continuity of management with David and Rick. They have enormous regard for them. They also spoke extremely warmly about Rafa and made us aware that they feel this man is truly one of the great geniuses in the recent history of the sport. They wanted to communicate to us the feeling from the dressing room was of great respect for the management team.
Secondly, they wanted to talk about players and to encourage us to support Rick and Rafa's efforts in building the team.
They were also clear with their views on the stadium. They made us aware the sound, the energy and the passion that Anfield provides needs to be incorporated into the design of the new stadium.
They were the three messages they wanted us to hear and we heard them loud and clear.

Did you understand what Jamie Carragher was saying?

George Gillett: We did! He's definitely a scouser, that's for sure. The first thing the two players did was give us their shirts with a nice message so that was a special moment for us.

You were determined to get hold of this football club, weren't you?

George Gillett: We were. I think both Tom and I have learnt that it's a great honour and a rare privilege to be considered to hold one of the greatest assets in sport in trust. To have that privilege is really special.

I don't know how to properly communicate how much care David Moores put into making this decision. He questioned us aggressively about our commitment, our passion and our willingness to help take the club forward. He wants to ensure we can re-emerge as the greatest team in the Premiership and be fully competitive in Europe. The interview process was rigorous, it was not foregone and it was not about money. It was about our passion and our understanding of the fans of this club.

David is an amazing man and this club is his life. This was the most difficult decision of his life because every single fibre in his body is in this club.

Tom Hicks: This club has been in David's family for fifty years and when we left his house it was a very poignant moment because there were tears in his eyes. He has agreed to be a Life President at the club and he will still be sitting in the directors' seats at Anfield. From the players' point of view, the best thing that can happen is that they feel nothing has changed except for a new stadium being built and more aggressive support in the transfer market.

George Gillett: The less the fans see any change the better for this club. Neither Tom or I are high-profile. We are both hugely supportive of our families and of our franchises but the less people write about us and the more they write about the fans, the challenges and the opportunities then the better for everybody.

It sounds like David has really put you through it in terms of making sure you were the right people to take over…

George Gillett: Very much so. There were two processes and ultimately he had to make two difficult decisions. The club felt they had two very well qualified potential buyers and it's no secret that one had extraordinarily deep pockets whereas ours are deep but not that deep. I think they correctly chose the other party and we were not offended by that.

On the other hand, if there's any trait that the Gillett's and the Hicks have then it's patience and stubbornness. In hockey we have a saying that it's really tough to score if you're not in front of the net. We stayed in front of the net and we tried not to do anything which was offensive or negative. We wanted to reinforce our respect for what David and the team had built and ultimately we were given a second chance because the Hicks joined us. There's no doubt that we increased our price because they were with us and enabled us to have the capital to be more aggressive.

There were reports you were interested in a ground share…

Tom Hicks: I can categorically say we have no interest in a ground share with any other team. We are going to build the finest team for the finest stadium in the Premier League and that is Liverpool.

George Gillett: I don't know how this story got started. It didn't get started with us. I look forward to meeting the officials from Everton some day because we are both in this wonderful city, but I have never authorised anyone to talk or act on our behalf relative to the possibility of ground sharing. I have no idea where this has come from. It was not true and we can categorically deny it.

The first time I met Rick Parry I asked him the question and that's the only time I can recall the topic coming up. He looked me in the eye and said that if I ever brought that topic up in a serious way again then I could have his resignation because he wouldn't be involved with or support that kind of discussion. That was very clear and so the subject never came up again from our side.

More recently someone close to the club said that if the topic did come up then it was the surest way possible for us to be lynched.

We want to build the greatest facility for the players and the fans and make this the best location for players to play and for fans to come.

Can we bring the title here under your ownership?

George Gillett: I really hope so. Rick has told me of a Shankly saying that 'first is first and second is nowhere' and that sounds good to us.

You'll NEVER Walk Alone!

Does anyone know if there has been anything new in the whole Mascherano soap opera? Have the FA dug their heads out of their asses and rubberstamped the permit for him yet?

Liverpool boss Benitez eyeing Barcelona whizkid Dos Santos
tribalfooball.com - February 14, 2007

Liverpool are eyeing a shock move for Barcelona superkid Giovani dos Santos.

The 17 year-old Mexican is regarded as currently Barca's hottest youth product and Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez knows he is set to gain his Spanish passport next month.

Dos Santos has been frustrated by the lack of first team chances he's had since being promoted to Frank Rijkaard's senior squad in preseason and came close to joining Olympique Lyon last month.

The talented midfielder is contracted to Barca until 2009 with a buyout clause of £20 million.

20M for a kid who may well not adapt to England? I'm not sure...

damn these yanks ruining football they are

2. April... Stanley Park start building! Im looking forward to it. It will be amazing to have a stadium like that! :D 61.000!

I hope also we buy David Villa, and win Premier League next year! :)


YNWA!

oh my god.

I hope we sell Craig Bellamy! A jackass!
We can sell him, and buy David Villa!

Or the Ukrainian David Villa. :funny:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=409353&cc=5739

Is Voronin any good?

Liverpool need goalscorers....

Is Voronin any good?

Liverpool need goalscorers....

No, IMO he´s bad. He fights, but he´s 100% NOT a goalscoarer!

A drunken Bellamy attacks Risse with a golf club? WTF. Does this prick have a future at Liverpool?

Whats the story here guys?

Reportedly, Bellamy is being fined 80,000 pounds of his salary. So it's probably true. Nice one jeopardizing our CL future, Craig.

Ok, I have to say that I was expecting something from Bellamy sooner or later, but nothing close to that. It's ridiculous.

How's that saying again? Don't do anything bad to your team mates that you haven't already done to either C. Ronaldo or G. Neville.

Voronin? Hahaha, not quite David Villa is it? That Herpeos fella from here said that you guys were gonna sign Villa with your big budget.

Hardly the Ukrainian Villa aswell...

wtf is wrong with Bellamy!!! beating someone because the latter didn't want to sing karaoke?!?!?!? :S that's lame!

and Voronin?!?! :(:(:( not quite the striker i expected to get :(

according to french television(canal +) ... Etoo has been left out from the Barcelona squad for the champion league game....

Mascherano cleared to play for Liverpool, finally...

Haha, omg... Riise and Bellamy togheter on left side. Rafa its a good one. :funny:

I know I can't really complain about the TV showing the match, since I can only get few 'Pool matches, but when Deco gets called Messi (when he scored the goal!), Beletti gets called Xavi and Gerrard becomes Finnan, then there's something very wrong...

hell ******* yes!

haha, class celebration from Bellars :funny:

I know I can't really complain about the TV showing the match, since I can only get few 'Pool matches, but when Deco gets called Messi (when he scored the goal!), Beletti gets called Xavi and Gerrard becomes Finnan, then there's something very wrong...

Let me guess, Record right?

Let me guess, Record right?

How did you know? :(

In Liverpool's goal they swapped Bellamy and Kuyt's names... AFTER the replays... Including an angle where you could clearly see their names.

Riise with his right, what the ****! (H)

Bellamy with the assist, wtf²

Congratulations :eek:

Ok, this win means I keep my unbeaten record when watching Liverpool on TV in the Champions League. Nice win.

Congrats to everyone in Liverpool-family! Big victory!

YNWA!

What a freaking great result man! Despite Reina's consecutive attempts at ruining it we kept our coolness and managed the win. By the way, oh the irony. Craig Bellamy and Riise scoring, the latter from a Bellamy assist.

Sissoko had a brilliant game. That guy is a god damn monster.

Congratulations to Liverpool! (I actually cheer for you in the EPL)

It's not over....yet

Good game Liverpool. You guys deserved the win.

Goals by Riise and Bellamy!!! lol :) good win!!!!!!!! have u seen Bellamy's celebration??

yeah Sissoko is very good!!!!!! i hope his injury is not serious :S

and Arbeloa was pretty good too... but Reina was not confident at all!!!! :(

great game!

Great performance by the entire team. Although for the first 15 minutes I actually thought barca were going to score at least 3 goals by the way they were playing.

have u seen Bellamy's celebration??
(

Yep ,LOL

Exctatic lads.
I was in a bar with buddies of mine and the place went on fire when the ref blew the final whistle.

Great win, but it is NOT over yet. 90 minutes of war in Anfield and hopefully we get through. Lets go Reds

Exctatic lads.
I was in a bar with buddies of mine and the place went on fire when the ref blew the final whistle.

Great win, but it is NOT over yet. 90 minutes of war in Anfield and hopefully we get through. Lets go Reds

Liverpool will beat barca in front of the kop surely.:)

I don't know, it'll be tough. They can beat Liverpool at Anfield, I'm not that confident at all...

It's too good of a chance to blow, and i think the players know that. I'm confident we are going to make the next round. And i'm also confident Barça will give us hell whilst we're at it...

Good game today. Nice to see Fowler get a game, and get 2 goals. great aswell to see Dudek in goal again, he did good.Impressed with Mascherano's debut as well. Lot of good points, some bad. Hope Crouchy isn't going to be sidelined for long because of that injury, we've got an important game next week

I think Crouchy would be important for the 2nd leg against Barca as he can hold up the ball... him and Kuyt would be my striking lineup, if we used 2 strikers. We can't set out to defend from the first minute, as Barca do have the skills to break down our defensive lineup

I don't want to think about the Barca-game right now! We got a more important game next weekend against Manchester United!

Well, we need to think about the competition we still have a chance of winning, right?

It was great to finally see Masche with the Liverpool shirt...next to Gerrard...he must be living a dream...

Well, we need to think about the competition we still have a chance of winning, right?

Of course, but I think we not should forget its not far away from 5th. (N)

We have been the best in 1st half. Its good to see Liverpool today.
What a shot from my man, Riise. To bad that shot didn't hit the target.

We deserve a goal now. I hope Bellamy keeping on, and shoot more.

WOOOOOOOOOOT? That wasn't a freekick at all! AND so undeserved! F*CK F*CK!!!!

That was a freekick, Giggs was getting held back.

It was about time we got a freekick, Liverpool were getting calls for every single thing, United had to be tackeled, kicked and injuried and then get the call.

It was about time we got a freekick, Liverpool were getting calls for every single thing, United had to be tackeled, kicked and injuried and then get the call.

Plainly I think the referee was too easily intimidated at the Kop end. Saha was hacked in the box by Agger and Carragher could/should have gone for his studs up lunge at Wayne. Although he did disallow Liverpool a goal (at the United end of the ground) so I think he's just a weak official - certainly too "wet behind the ears" to be in charge of the East Lancs Road derby IMO. Scholes was fairly dismissed though, I couldn't work out if he tried to punch, kick or both!

As a game it was pretty ordinary, dissapointing for a huge fixture.
Both teams are capable of ramping up the tempo when they want to.

Until next season then ....

Plainly I think the referee was too easily intimidated at the Kop end. Saha was hacked in the box by Agger and Carragher could/should have gone for his studs up lunge at Wayne. Although he did disallow Liverpool a goal (at the United end of the ground) so I think he's just a weak official - certainly too "wet behind the ears" to be in charge of the East Lancs Road derby IMO. Scholes was fairly dismissed though, I couldn't work out if he tried to punch, kick or both!

As a game it was pretty ordinary, dissapointing for a huge fixture.
Both teams are capable of ramping up the tempo when they want to.

Until next season then ....
The dissallowed goal was called for Riise redirecting the volley. When Gerrard hit it, Bellamy was still on side, but when Riise stuck out his head to direct it to Bellamy, by that time Craig was offside.


As for Scholes, i still think that he was just frustrated at being pulled back and the ref not calling anything, so he turned around and punched at air in frustration for not getting the call, unfortunately Gerrard was right there infront of him. Oh well, Vieira got sent off for a somewhat similar thing on Ruud a few years back.

And about the low scoreline, United Liverpool games are never blowouts. Its always won by 1 goal, even rarely by 2. The only time i remember United Pool game being a big win was 4-0, 4 years ago, but even that was because of the two early penalties.

rape

wah wah wah

just one feeling: disgusted!! late minute goal is always painful especially when it's not deserved! :(

Today, its the day, when Barca will be eliminated! :D

When did Sissoko become such a good player? I never though of him like this at Valencia, damn what a player. Anyway you guys are playing a good match vs Barca and are doing very well so far.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah!!! A Dream Come True!!!!

Congrats to all of you Liverpool fans :D(Y)

congrats

damn, that was really something guys. ******* brilliant football, congrats on goin through.

Nice match by you guys, you could hav really put the game beyond doubt in the first half but this works as well. Was a brilliant first half from you guys.

Congrats to all Liverpool fans. A well-deserved victory.

Except for you Hepoas (H) (6)

probably the best performance i have seen in a loss, congrats on going through!

Congrats. Deserved victory.

clips are online ! http://redsgoals.blogspot.com/

Barça should've seen a record of Liverpool - Benfica last year, so they would know how to do it (6)

j/k, congrats Liverpool (Y)

man...we should have scored in the first half about 5 times...............................aw well, we got through:)

When did Sissoko become such a good player? I never though of him like this at Valencia, damn what a player. Anyway you guys are playing a good match vs Barca and are doing very well so far.

since he joined Liverpool :) lol seriously since he's at Liverpool..he's been very good... i am a big fan of Sissoko now and i think he' the best signing Benitez has made for Liverpool so far!!! too bad Sissoko is going to miss the next match :(:(:(

we deserve more than a defeat i think... we played like against Manu... we miss very very good chances!!! :( starting to worry me these missed chances :(.... we controlled the match... we were able to keep the Barca playmakers quiet!!! good pressing by our players... very good performance by us....p.s. Kuyt is such a hard worker!!!

one of the things that is best about having Momo, We nicked him from Everton :) Dang it would have been sweet to see that ball go in last night

what a game that was. I think liverpool were "unlucky" though, they should of scored more. They seem to miss out on chances mabe "unlucky" but since i dont belive in that the experince from this year I figure liverpool should be wicked next season, may even do the euro again this season.

Really like that Risse & carragher they impressed me recently, getting that "wow" factor same goes for Sissoko.

A fantastic game on Tuesday. Congratulations on the qualification. Fully deserved. We were very lucky.


I hope you win the competition.


Visca el Barca and YNWA (Y)

I am a Liverpool fan but Faithfuly Barcelona man, and i think that Liverpool made a fabolous outstanding round. Psichologicaly Barcelona was in shock at Camp Nou but they knew to work in the reality and we were so close but football is not who is close , is not justice, Is who plays better , play with spirit and score.

Wow those posts are old. I'm definitely scared pool as a Chelsea fan in the CL, but it'd be great to meet again.

yeah this thread is nomore active :( ... it looks dead

What a win for 'pool (Y)

Crouch :D:D:D

He's GOT to start the next England game, especially with Rooney suspended.

Absolutely right. He consistantly scores goals and his overall contribution is so valuable. His ball control for the last goal was sublime, although to be fair, it was only the Arsenal defence that he had to deal with.:mexican:

I suppose McLaren knows what he is doing though huh?:nape:

Is it plane? Is it Superman? No! It's Crouch! FCUK!!! It was very impressive for a basketball player.

I suppose McLaren knows what he is doing though huh?:nape:

Apparently...

"Liverpool recalled Crouch after missing England's two Euro 2008 matches to have an operation on a broken nose."

All goals from Liverpool vs. Arsenal in here (http://www.forumsdot.com/stream/viewtopic.php?p=318#318)

thanks for the highlights

Nice to see Crouch scoring, though we need to score more often and regularly...

Also, I take it Gerrard was taken off to be rested, please don't tell me he is injured...

Well beaten, no excuses.

Crouch is England's best player, he really is. He may not be the most talented but he takes what he has and works wonders. He should be the guy English parents push their kids to be, not Rooney because Crouch seems like a good man off the pitch too.

3-0, nice win over PSV...

We need to stay focused.... which has been a big problem this season.

What f*cking ownage oh my god :|

1-0, good job.

pool - chelski

man u - ac

So, Chelsea up next? I wouldn't mind a deja-vu with us beating the Blues then going on to beat Milan in the final...

I'd rather lose to Chelsea now than to Man U in the final though...

I agree. And Man Utd are looking diabolical at the moment.

(Y) to the Liverpool supporters.

I think Liverpool will win the CL. I look at it this way: Chelsea and Man Utd are in a fierce battle for the championship. Milan has a tough job to do to reach the CL-spot for next year. Liverpool on the other hand are almost certain they'll end 3rd or 4th, so they can fully concentrate on the CL.

Add to this that Liverpool always seem to perform really well in the CL when it matters, and I think they'd have to be favourites to win it.

The match vs. Chelsea's gonna be very close though. I think the difference will be made by Liverpool being the fitter side (as they dont have to fight in the EPL anymore)

You cant really judge united on that one performance, what are the chances that it will happen again, im fancying AC to take care of them. As for the clash with Liverpool you get the advantage of playing the second game at home so I hope we can get a positive result at home but seeing Chelsea lately they probably wont take advantage of playing at home first game.

I'm so incredibly pissed off that Chelsea got through, wanted Rafa to play Valencia.

Without being pessimistic, i envisage a Man Utd v Chelsea final, sadly.

Chelsea do not have any chance. Don't worry be happy. :)

No chance at all huh?....OK then, I'll go and put all my money on Liverscum going through to the final then. Thanks for the well informed and educated tip mate.:funny:

1-0 down, we still have a chance...

I'd be much happier with an away goal. As it stands it'll be hard, but definitely not impossible.

I still think it's better to lose now than lose to United in the final though

It will be very hard because one mistake in defense can eliminate you. Still, you have Rafa and the team that came from three behind to beat Milan, so I think this is far from over.

We've still got a decent shot. Decent. Cant say i'm optimistic, but well, i've got faith in the lads.

Rafa himself I think made the mistake by starting Bellamy and taking so long to put Pennant in. I'd probably have kept Alonso on and taken Mascherano off. His decisions are pretty questionable at times in actual matches though he's top notch in transfers.

I'm sure Liverpool will come back.:D

Top notch in transfers? I actually think his tactical decisions are pretty freaking good, whilst his transfers are very questionable. With all the amount of money we spent on those 3 seasons we could've bought 2 or even 3 world class players instead of 10 decent squad players.

Ok, Xabi and Sissoko were great buys but Aurelio? Pennant? Gonzalez? Nuñez? Zenden?

Top notch in transfers? I actually think his tactical decisions are pretty freaking good, whilst his transfers are very questionable. With all the amount of money we spent on those 3 seasons we could've bought 2 or even 3 world class players instead of 10 decent squad players.

Ok, Xabi and Sissoko were great buys but Aurelio? Pennant? Gonzalez? Nuñez? Zenden?

Those are not bad buys. All have made solid contributions (well, Nunez not so much)
Actually, finding and signing 10 decent squad players is not easy to do.

They need to be good enough to fill in, but also to know their places.

I think Rafa has done a good job of bringing in some quality players, without breaking the bank. It will be interesting to see what he does now that he has all that money at his disposal.

Kuyt is also a marvelous player.

They are at most squad players, in my humble opinion. Zenden makes a solid contribution one out of ten times he plays, Pennant is too irregular, Nunez was a fiasco, Aurelio as a player has been average at best, Gonzalez is also very irregular.

But i wont argue, there's no true meaning for the word "good" (or any adjective for that matter) when it comes to personal opinions. What you think is good, i dont, and vice-versa.

For Kuyt, he's yet to reach his best days in the red shirt. Also very hot and cold, but he bags a few and he's a important player nonetheless.

They are at most squad players, in my humble opinion. Zenden makes a solid contribution one out of ten times he plays, Pennant is too irregular, Nunez was a fiasco, Aurelio as a player has been average at best, Gonzalez is also very irregular.

But i wont argue, there's no true meaning for the word "good" (or any adjective for that matter) when it comes to personal opinions. What you think is good, i dont, and vice-versa.

For Kuyt, he's yet to reach his best days in the red shirt. Also very hot and cold, but he bags a few and he's a important player nonetheless.

I agree with you that they are not consistent and I have seen both solid and not so solid performances out of them.

I think that I get what you are saying, and having them play irregularly doesn't help overall but they have made some good contributions.

I haven't seen enough of their matches this season to properly judge, but I have noticed Pennant playing well of late, and Gonzalez contributed earlier in the season. That is sort of what you want from squad players. They have good runs and bad runs, so the manager has to know when to play them and when not, and I think Rafa hasn't done a bad job at that (again, from what I seen, which is admittedly less than I'd like :D) I mean, if they were consistently playing at their best, they would be forcing themselves into the first team (well, Pennant has the talent at least, and Aurelio is also good at times. Zenden I haven't seen enough of lately to make a judgment)

The thing about Kuyt is, even when he's not bagging goals, he works very hard and is always trying his best. I haven't seen him take a minute off in any match. His concentration is very good. He is getting to know his teammates and if they continue to maintain some squad consistency, I think Kuyt could develop into a Kop legend, he's that good and hard-working.

Anyway, as you said, opinion is opinion, that's why we have these discussions. But it's nice to exchange opinions in an intelligent manner, without foolish insults and such. (which of course I have done in the past, but not here :$)

Yes, i'm here because i love the debate stuff aswell. You've got a point, they all made good contributions. The thing is they're good, but small. In one game here, other there, but not much more than that. If instead of buying 5 squad players we had bought one world class player i really think that could've made a better impact in our season.

Gerrard needs someone to help him cope with all the responsability, another game winner to play with him. At the moment we dont have it.

About Kuyt, yes, he's very hard working and he bags a few, he's got potential but at the moment he has been decent and that's it. He needs to raise his head a bit more and he cant be that wasteful with the ball on his feet, sometimes he loses possesion too easily/early. He's a good player and i like him tho, and i hope he goes on to become a Kop legend alright.

Kuyt's main problem has always been that he wants to do too much: he also wants to defend, control the midfield and everything else. Because of this, he often does not have the power anymore in front of goal. If Benitez can make Kuyt a pure forward, I think he can become one of the best EPL strikers.

Both good points by Lean and PSVFOREVER.

I think this summer Rafa will get someone world class. With 50 million at his disposal, I don't see how he can't!

And Kuyt's competitiveness and willingness to help the team could well be one of the issues, you're right. What he needs to do is re-channel that to his attacking.

Don´t worry whenever Liverpool hears the You'll Never Walk Alone, That will help them to win and pass to the final!!!.

When you walk through a storm
Hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark
At the end of the storm
There's a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of a lark

Walk on, through the wind
Walk on, through the rain
Though your dreams be tossed and blown
Walk on, walk on, with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone
You'll never walk alone

Walk on, walk on,
With hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone
You'll never walk alone


Lets Go red

Lets Go red

Vamos!!!!!!!!!!:)

Let's go Pool! Gerrard to score a cracker.

When you walk through a storm
Hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark
At the end of the storm
There's a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of a lark

Walk on, through the wind
Walk on, through the rain
Though your dreams be tossed and blown
Walk on, walk on, with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone
You'll never walk alone

Walk on, walk on,
With hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone
You'll never walk alone

We did it Performance, Intelligence, Pasion, Support, Thanks God

You'll neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever walk alone!!!

Great Game :D

God bless you'll

Congrats! Well deserved. Rafa shows his tactical skills and the fans and team gave a 150% Hoping for a man Utd - Pool final. I'm pulling for you guys all the way. Cheers!

Actually I'm glad you guys won. I know we're hated arch rivals and everything - but it was so sweet seeing those Chelski boys put in their place. (especially Mourinho)

See y'all in Athens (I hope)



Mike

Just thought I'd drop by to say congrats :)(Y). Well deserved victory and good luck in the final!

it was a very balanced game, either team could have won it
congrats to liverpool

great night indeed at anfield.. a job well done lads.. now only the final.. i like mourihno's face at the end.. and john terry in tears.. priceless.. hahaha..

Hey I just want to say congrats to all you Liverpool supporters and of course the team. I always admire Liverpool because they are one of the top EPL teams that alot of people don't really talk about. Benitez must be doing wonders. Everytime I watch Liverpool in the CL at home there fans show soooo much class. Best of luck in the CL.



Have you guys heard anything about Liverpool sending scouts to look at Juan Manuel Vargas from Catania? He plays LB and LM.

:)

Have a few beers on me, Amika. :) Hope all is well with you!

That is what it is all about lads. Another victory, another final to play. Instambul is not far from Athens. Lets march into the city of goddess Athena and grind yet another silver cup home to Liverpool.
Stevie Gerrard today redifined the term 'warrior'. He was everywhere.

Go On Reds, you'll never walk alone.

The whole team played a good match methinks. Mascherano would be my man of the match tho.

No chance at all huh?....OK then, I'll go and put all my money on Liverscum going through to the final then. Thanks for the well informed and educated tip mate.:funny:

I hope you did what you said you will do, you'll be rich!!

good job guys, dream final getting closer. Hope United get through, that would be something else.

Great game, big congratulations. (Y)

By the way Steaua and Liverpool now have something new in common as of last night. The only two teams to reverse a 1-0 scoreline and qualify for the final in the ECC/CL are Steaua in 1986 (lost 1-0 at Anderlecth, won 3-0 at home) and 'Pool who did it yesterday (Y)

:)

Have a few beers on me, Amika. :) Hope all is well with you!

hey Natural!!! it's been ages since i see you post here.. well i didn't post much myself lately lol.. :funny: but anyway, i'm well, how about you?

back to the topic, i listen to BBC's 606 call in for the last two days, and i must say most of the chelsea fans are a much more graceful loser then their manager, most of them said the best team won.. mourihno must be watching another match last night.. :drevil:

BBC 606 call in show 1st May 2007.. yes.. this is the one that is right after our victory.. :p enjoy..

http://www.mediafire.com/?6zf3j1nmlwm

It looks like someone enjoys watching Liverpool sometimes:

http://terramagazine.terra.com.br/interna/0,,OI1593944-EI6615,00.html

Muricy Ramalho, currently managing the bambis, had this to say about 'Pool

Reporter: What team do you enjoy watching?
MR: Liverpool. A focused team, well coached, that knows what they want in the pitch. It doesn't have many stars and it's not expensive compared to other European sides. I enjoy watching Liverpool play. They're a "tidy" side.

Nice to have Brazilians enjoying Liverpool, even if the guy is coaching the bambis.

As much as I despise this club of yours, I'd rather jug 10 gallons of liquid ass than to see AC lift that trophy on the 23rd...I don't want them belittling and diminishing our great season by winning the UCL on a year that we shat all over the competition in league play.


http://www.liquidass.com/store/home.php?cat=1


CMON LIVERPOOL.....wooot!

usa usa usa :D

We're Goin To Athens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

We got Lucas!!! We got Lucas!!!

He signed from Gremio for around 12M euros, and it's really nice to have him, but with so many Central Midfielders already at the club, all of them doing quite nicely, it's weird we've spent so much money on him.

He does have the class needed to wear the Liverpool shirt though. Let's hope he does as well for us as he did for Gremio. He joins the squad after Gremio finishes their participation in the Libertadores.

Wouldn't he also be captaining the under 20's this summer Kibe? I'm pretty excited by what I've read of the lad. Sounds like a new emerging 'Kaka' kind of player, with fantastic all round ability and youth on his side. Bloody hell, already captain of the u20's and already drafted in the senior team, along with that Player of the Season in the league accolade. Sounds boss all right, can't wait to see him in action for us. Tell us more Kibe.

i think hes a bit more defensive than kaka. i think this means we will let danny guthrie move on to southampton permanently. maybe hes more like gilberto silva, but not that defensive.

Wouldn't he also be captaining the under 20's this summer Kibe? I'm pretty excited by what I've read of the lad. Sounds like a new emerging 'Kaka' kind of player, with fantastic all round ability and youth on his side. Bloody hell, already captain of the u20's and already drafted in the senior team, along with that Player of the Season in the league accolade. Sounds boss all right, can't wait to see him in action for us. Tell us more Kibe.

From what I have heard Lucas is more a CM than anything else, he can defend and attack while Kaka is much more a plain AMC. Still a great player but you had enough midfielders imo, Gerrard, Mascherano, Alonso, and etc.

yeah, Kaka was always much more of an attacking midfielder while Lucas is a defensive midfielder.

Lucas seems to be a good lad, not easily impressed by money, and he seems to know where he wants to get. He moved out of his parents' house at 13 for a chance at a football club.

We don't get much onfo on him, as he plays outside the Rio-Sao Paulo "axis", but he did go on to win the Player of the Year award last season (youngest player ever to win the award, 19 years 11 months old). Of course, winning that isn't an indicator of the players' performance in Europe, but if you look at the last 5 winners, it does show good players:

2006: Lucas (Grêmio)
2005: Tevez (Corinthians)
2004: Robinho (Santos)
2003: Alex (Cruzeiro) - Fenerbahce's Alex, not PSV's
2002: Kaká (São Paulo)

All of them quality players, though Alex couldn't make it big and Robinho is still not exactly what the Brazilians expected he'd be, but you can see what kind of player gets the award. The simple fact that Lucas won even though he's not an attacking minded player shows he must be something special. He does tend to be a little reckless on challenges from time to time though (like Stevie and Momo used to be when younger).

There's the U20 tournament in Canada this summer, so if you people can watch that you can have a better idea.

Ta for the info mate! He does line up alongside some cracking names there. I think I was most chuffed when someone mentioned him as being Dunga MkII which is some standard to be compared too. Hope he beds in well and continues to develop. Now that Rafa is being given the funds to scour the world for top talent, it'll be quite the revelation to see the players we can challenge for. Also heard an unsubstantiated rumour from somewhere that we've also done a deal for Pato, the Duck? Kinell, about ready to blow me load I am.

Pato? well... he just signed a new contract, so I believe it'll be tough to get him out of his club (rumours have it that it'd take 18M euros). He's also quite young, 18 this year I guess, so maybe it's better for him to take part in a complete season in Brazil before moving abroad.

Pato has got huge potential but he's not ready yet for Europe. As for Lucas, he's a great player. Good signing, hopefully he'll gel with the rest of the team and adapt as soon as possible.

Pato is an amazing striker in FM (H).

I signed him for my liverpool game.

i want TEVEZ! lol any chance to get him??

Mate we are going to get Voronin.

All right lets focus on Wednesday May 23rd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7ZCbMTRkAo&mode=related&search= this is going to be our red inspiration saying who we are

How can Liverpool beat top class teams like barca, and not do better in the league

Because any team can win a one off game, but to do well in the league requires consistancy and thats something that Liverpool do not have enough of at the moment.

Their manager is an effin genius at cup cometitions. He's built his side to win CL and all he focuses on is winning the CL. And Voronin is an overrated bundesliga player. I know that they're hoping for another Berbatov but this isn't the guy.

We arent good enough to win the league, that's the problem. Benitez is a genius at all levels, he won La Liga twice with Valencia beating Madrid and Barça to the title. With 1 or 2 world class players to help Gerrard out there we might stand a chance.

This one is on Rafa....Crouch should have been brought on earlier, Bellamy could and SHOULD have played with him, not Kuyt. Gerrard couldn't play his game......bah, we couldn't even win a cup trophy this year.(N)

Blame Rafa here.....he just got it ALL wrong this time.

As far as transfers, we have NO wingers...Speedy Gonzales and Jermaine Pennant are NOT good enough! Gerrard plays in the MIDDLE. The Sissoko/Mascherano mess just messed the midfield, Gerrard plays in the middle. Alonso IS first choice. Gerrard plays in the middle. Bring back Cisse and either Kuyt or Bellamy must go.

And, one more thing...Kaka should have not been standing after making that move on the second Inzaghi goal...this is an EPL team, so we need players who are capable of making "British tackles".:hump:aka. Wes Brown on Arjen Robben, this past Saturday.

Getting rid of Kuyt would be about the silliest move ever.

I'd gladly take him at Barcelona.

really bad for liv'pool fans..
maybe another time !
dont worry you have 5 tittles!
thanks,Milanez !

KUYT OFFSIDE POSITION
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Well the You'll Never Walk Alone was in Athens but we didn´t took advantage of Milan´s errors. In my opinion Inzaghi goal was a hand but i'll still like to look at it again.

Don´t worry Red Fans We Will Never Walk Alone

KUYT OFFSIDE POSITION
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/6555/kuyoffdd9lm4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

What about the errors that we couldn´t took advantage. Liverpool played better. Inzaghi first goal was a hand

I'm afraid we're going to fall off the map, in terms of European competitions. In 2005, it was all about Liverpool EVEN BEFORE the final because Milan's position was cemented. This time around the focus was on Milan prior to the game, which is why we really needed the win. They're going to be back next season but I can't see us reaching another European final for a long time...even a semi-final will be very difficult. The overall mood around our club was too much of a looking ahead to bigger things one...Rick Parry says that being champions of the EPL is a priority BEFORE the final this year as opposed to AFTER, in 2005. And let's face it, with this manager, we're not going to be competetive in the Premiership, so this was the chance for us....and it's gone begging. The cycle is now complete. Change is needed, in a big way. We need a bon-a-fide goal scorer!!!!!

Getting rid of Kuyt would be about the silliest move ever.

I'd gladly take him at Barcelona.

I'd rather have the faster Cisse to complement Crouch and Bellamy. If we don't get Cisse back off of loan, then we need a pure goal scorer....and Kuyt wasn't one this season.

What continues to really sting, is the fact that the one guy who could have been deadly for us, plays in Liverpool....but for Everton. He's a proven Prem goal scorer who would have been a tremendous addition last off-season, and his name is Andy Johnson....the gaffer has built this team for Europe only.

It's only been 24 hours....I tell ya, the Copa America seems like it's years away.....

I agree there, but Kuyt was never a pure goal scorer. He scored a lot in Holland, but he did many other things as well. I would say, pair Kuyt with a pure goal scorer and you'd have the most lethal partnership in Europe. Kuyt does so many things, he's a tireless worker, he can pass, he gets to spots, and he could definitely complement a poacher. He still scored 14 goals in 34 appearances, which isn't bad, but I think he'll get more next year.

You don't think Darren Bent could do the job in 'Pool? He's got pace, he can score, and he played with such crap support in Charlton, I bet with the guys you put around him, he could get it done.

I also have read that Rafa's commitment next season is all about the League. So you have to believe he will fortify his squad with the Prem in mind this summer.

That's actually a pretty good choice....I saw an interview of his(Bent) on Sky Sports 2 days ago, and was reminded again that he's available. He'd probably end up playing a backup role. But, Rafa would justify the buying of a David Villa type player...frankly, I think we've got/tried far too many of those.

Liverpool needs a goal machine like Nisterlooy !

That's actually a pretty good choice....I saw an interview of his(Bent) on Sky Sports 2 days ago, and was reminded again that he's available. He'd probably end up playing a backup role. But, Rafa would justify the buying of a David Villa type player...frankly, I think we've got/tried far too many of those.

Villa is one hell of a player though.... the guy can score...

That;s exactly what I said about a certain someone named Fernando Morientes. I don't mind these kind of guys but it takes a while for them to adjust to the EPL...sometimes, they just don't.

That;s exactly what I said about a certain someone named Fernando Morientes. I don't mind these kind of guys but it takes a while for them to adjust to the EPL...sometimes, they just don't.
True enough.

I think Bent would do alright at Anfield anyway.

Hey guys, I don't really keep up with football that much anymore, so the first time I saw Daniel Agger play was during the Final the other night. Man, that kid is good, he's a future captain, and you need to do everything you can to keep him there until he retires. Great defender. I was very impressed. More impressed with him than with anyone on the pitch, although I'm not sure if he was responsible for that second goal, I don't remember.

I agree there, but Kuyt was never a pure goal scorer. He scored a lot in Holland, but he did many other things as well. I would say, pair Kuyt with a pure goal scorer and you'd have the most lethal partnership in Europe. Kuyt does so many things, he's a tireless worker, he can pass, he gets to spots, and he could definitely complement a poacher. He still scored 14 goals in 34 appearances, which isn't bad, but I think he'll get more next year.

You don't think Darren Bent could do the job in 'Pool? He's got pace, he can score, and he played with such crap support in Charlton, I bet with the guys you put around him, he could get it done.

I also have read that Rafa's commitment next season is all about the League. So you have to believe he will fortify his squad with the Prem in mind this summer.

I totally agree about Kuyt and with a Super Striker like Eto'o he will be amazing and we will score many goals. I would like Tevez to join also. I think Bent will do well here if we got him but still I dont rate him highly. Hope we will be contenders next year :)