i personally think that Kleberson wasn't given enough opportunity. I think he could've been great for us :(

But he is like Saha. Don't bother asking why. :p

Ruud leaving basically means Torres is coming. Why the ":(" ?

I should :(

There's still a chance to sign Diarra, according to himself, he could move away from Lyon;
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=402762&CPID=24&clid=143&lid=2&title=Diarra+still+open+to+move

I believe that Diarra and Ribbery are the 2 midfielders who can be the answer to our problems. Carrick's transfer fee is too much for his quality.

It looks like Ruud is on his way out, any news on Torres?

']Ruud leaving basically means Torres is coming. Why the ":(" ?

I should :(

Losing Ruud does not mean we'll get Torres...
Just look where Ronaldinho and Beckham is...

We have a tendency to sell players without getting a proper replacement..

There's still a chance to sign Diarra, according to himself, he could move away from Lyon;
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=402762&CPID=24&clid=143&lid=2&title=Diarra+still+open+to+move

Don't know why, but I am not too keen about us signing African players...
If they become integral to the team, we'll miss them when they go on internationals...
If they dont become integral, then they are obviously a waste of money...

honestly, replacing Beckham with Ronaldo was a good move. So I guess - Ruud, + Torres.

Its really weird why suddenly everything has been silent on him.

Losing Ruud does not mean we'll get Torres...
Just look where Ronaldinho and Beckham is...

We have a tendency to sell players without getting a proper replacement..



Don't know why, but I am not too keen about us signing African players...
If they become integral to the team, we'll miss them when they go on internationals...
If they dont become integral, then they are obviously a waste of money...

Diarra surely won't be a waste of money, one of the best DM's around

']honestly, replacing Beckham with Ronaldo was a good move.

It would be quite interesting to compare the number of assists and goals Becks got in the last few years at the club and the number Ronaldo got...

Anyone got any ideas? Or where I can find out?

Diarra surely won't be a waste of money, one of the best DM's around

Yeah i agree, that means we'll be missing him quite badly when he goes to play for his NT.. Not sure buying players that will definitely be missing during the season is the best idea...

ar well... still beats relying on Fletcher i guess... :nape: :nape:

If we have to pay the £25mill+ that Lyon initially wanted for Diarra that would for sure be a waste of money. He's good but he's not worth THAT much.

It would be quite interesting to compare the number of assists and goals Becks got in the last few years at the club and the number Ronaldo got...

Anyone got any ideas? Or where I can find out?



Yeah i agree, that means we'll be missing him quite badly when he goes to play for his NT.. Not sure buying players that will definitely be missing during the season is the best idea...

ar well... still beats relying on Fletcher i guess... :nape: :nape:

I believe Beckham gets more assists while Ronaldo scores more goals. You also have to remember that although they're both wingers, they play different roles. Becks is a midfielder and Ronaldo is more of a forward.

The latest suggest that Man Utd are to trade Cristiano + £10m for Adriano.

I think its pretty realistic considering Ruud is off to Real, Inter are close to Toni/Zlatan and Cristiano gets to play with his idol, Figo.

Adriano, on the other hand, is super perfect for the EPL. He's not in good form though.

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul13g.html

You and your dumb rumours... :chew:

yeah since its summer, lets talk about the next Premier League game.

I would throw up if we made a stupid trade like that. God I hate summer transfer rumours.

Meh.. I think its a stupid rumour after all myself (H)

Just feeding the fans some things to read about on.. But its not totally unrealistic, except the £10m part.

welcome adriano boxing to epl (H)

']yeah since its summer, lets talk about the next Premier League game.

heh (H)
Let's talk about the next Serie B game instead :p

I would prefer Torres to Adriano, evnthough the latter would fit in the EPL as well.

']The latest completely unrealistic, bullsh*t speculation suggests that Man Utd are to trade Cristiano + £10m for Adriano.

I think its pretty realistic considering Ruud is off to Real, Inter are close to Toni/Zlatan and Cristiano gets to play with his idol, Figo.

Adriano, on the other hand, is super perfect for the EPL. He's not in good form though.

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul13g.html
this is a new low, even for you :|

The ****hole is getting a new look http://beta.manutd.com/

I believe Beckham gets more assists while Ronaldo scores more goals. You also have to remember that although they're both wingers, they play different roles. Becks is a midfielder and Ronaldo is more of a forward.

Ronaldo doesnt really score all that many goals?

And Becks score quite a few himself from free kicks...

We always perceive Ronaldo as a much better player...but would be interesting to see if he was realyl more effective than Becks over a season...

Beckham scored like 3 or 4 goals last season for Real Madrid. Ronaldo scored 11 for United. I don't know the exact number, but I do know that Beckham had more assists.

Well where are the transfers then Gill?

Well where are the transfers then Gill?

We're 5 days after the World Cup final. Arsenal only bought Rosicky because we'd just lost Pires and we wanted a quick replacement. A bit of patience and Man Utd will buy at least 3 players 4 times their normal price.

Well where are the transfers then Gill?

Think they meant 14 July in UK.. so we still have hope.. (6)

Its quite funny how they are delaying the verdict on the Italian clubs..
We are just endlessly waiting until all the good players are signed..
then realised none of the clubs are getting relegated and hence we'll be stuck with no signings :nape: :nape: :nape:

so today is the day when the verdict of the match-fixing scandal is out?

so today is the day when the verdict of the match-fixing scandal is out?
Well, yeah for you, seeing as you Aussies live in the future and all. :jap: The verdict will probably set off a feeding frenzy. I hope we dive in and grab some players for ourselves, Gattuso, Buffon,Zambrotta...*dreams*

i have read from somewhere (http://www.realmadrid.dk/news/article/default.asp?newsid=8451) that Real Madrid had agreed terms with Ruud... he's leaving for 15M euro...

it will be sad if Ruud leaves but oh well...

anyway i dun understand why we let go of zokora and tryin to buy carrick. We need a physical player. A driving force in midfield and i dun see that in carrick. He has quality delivery but hes "soft" if u know what i mean. I expect quality signings from united. Dont tell me we gonna sit on our ass and watch all the best players being bought.

Manchester United striker Ruud van Nistelrooy wants a move to Real Madrid.

The Times says Real are understood to have contacted Van Nistelrooy's agent, Rodger Linse, over the past 48 hours to signal their readiness to secure a deal for the Holland forward.

No formal contact is thought to have been made between the clubs as yet, but United are willing to discuss a deal, provided that the Spanish club offer more than the £10.5 million fee that has been mooted in Madrid.

Bayern Munich are also interested in Van Nistelrooy, but the 30-year-old, having shown no interest in moves to Newcastle United or SV Hamburg this summer, has a clear preference to join Real, where he is expected to be the first of many signings made by Fabio Capello, the new coach.


Ruud's leaving yall dudes.
To Madrid most likely. :(

There isn't an agreement yet between the clubs, only between Real and Ruud, but it is a matter of time

oh no...from a red devil to galactico... this is all too familiar

Yes well thanks a lot SAF :boohoo: Ruud wanted to serve his contract but nooooooooo he had to f*ck it up again :nape:
I hope he does wel in Spain anyway but United will be losing a goalmachine that's for sure :kader:

Ruud's leaving yall dudes.
To Madrid most likely. :(

expected thou (:/)

"In recent months there have been a number of unsubstantiated reports on whom Sir Alex Ferguson desires to purchase and who he wishes to place on the market to acquire more funds. What you’re about to read is confidential plans for Manchester United set up by Sir Alex, David Gill and the Glazer Family. Firstly can I say that, Utd fans are going to be amazed by this report your about to read, like myself when I first read it.
The document stipulated that Manchester United will announce a Press Conference at 12.00pm on Friday 14th July 2006. Sir Alex will be present along with David Gill, Bryan & Joel Glazer. The Conference will be held for 45 minutes in this time David Gill will
Start off presenting the new home Shirt sponsored by American International Group (AIG), David Gill will then go in to detail about the design. Once this is over David Gill will hand over the Conference to Joel & Bryan Glazer, who will then turn to the press and in typical American Press Conference fashion (meaning over the top and having the shock factor) say ‘I would like you all to welcome the new members of the Manchester United family and out will walk the new players, to the shock of the press entering the room will be Fernando Torres, Javier Mascherano, Esteban Cambiasso in the new Manchester United home shirt. David Gill will then say that they hope this will reassure the fans and that there summer spending is not yet over, David Gill will then go on to say that they have 3 to 4 more potential signing. Sir Alex will then go into detail about the transfers, contract lengths of each player and why they have signed each player. Fans who think that this is just a fan writing this report and what you have read and about to read below is very suspicious and strange behavior for Manchester United are wrong as this is what the Glazers are known for in America, the Glazer family are renowned for there strange approach towards the press and straight to the point, over the top conferences. The report I read also had some names of the other potential signing that David Gill stated earlier in the press conference, those names were Franck Ribery, Juan Roman Riquelme, Rafinha, Rafael van der Vaart, Joe Cole, Simao and Klass Jan Huntelaar. Now next to the player called Klass Jan Huntelaar, written was January 2007. so I can only presume that they are signing him in the January Transfer window. Then Sire Alex will let the press ask questions, once this is over Sir Alex will then go onto say that they have also signed Kerlon Souza from Cruzeiro Fc and that with them unable to acquire a work permit, Kerlon will go straight on loan to Racing Santander Fc for 2 seasons and that they have the promise of Racing Santander coach Juan Ramon Lopez Caro, that Kerlon will play at least 15 games in each season that he is there. Then nearer to the end of the press conference there will be more questions from the press and then Sir Alex will talk about the upcoming season, he will go onto to say that Ben Foster will be the new number two goal keeper and Gerard Pique and Guiseppe Rossi will be heading to West Brom on loan for a season.

Press Conference Over."


Is this true or again fake... Dunno abt that...

we'll probably get more money from Madrid then from the other clubs. I hope he'll find his form again and score goals galore.

Ruud was a special player for United, his goals per game ratio is frightenly high. Sad that he's leaving in such a bad note. Hope he'll remember the good days he had for United and the way how Fergie insisted on buying him when he had a injury before coming to United.

Yes well thanks a lot SAF :boohoo: Ruud wanted to serve his contract but nooooooooo he had to f*ck it up again :nape:
I hope he does wel in Spain anyway but United will be losing a goalmachine that's for sure :kader:

Hey in between world cup i heard that things were sorted out btw ruud and SAF. And things were suppose to come normal after World cup and ruud would be in starting line up.

"In recent months there have been a number of unsubstantiated reports on whom Sir Alex Ferguson desires to purchase and who he wishes to place on the market to acquire more funds. What you’re about to read is confidential plans for Manchester United set up by Sir Alex, David Gill and the Glazer Family. Firstly can I say that, Utd fans are going to be amazed by this report your about to read, like myself when I first read it.
The document stipulated that Manchester United will announce a Press Conference at 12.00pm on Friday 14th July 2006. Sir Alex will be present along with David Gill, Bryan & Joel Glazer. The Conference will be held for 45 minutes in this time David Gill will
Start off presenting the new home Shirt sponsored by American International Group (AIG), David Gill will then go in to detail about the design. Once this is over David Gill will hand over the Conference to Joel & Bryan Glazer, who will then turn to the press and in typical American Press Conference fashion (meaning over the top and having the shock factor) say ‘I would like you all to welcome the new members of the Manchester United family and out will walk the new players, to the shock of the press entering the room will be Fernando Torres, Javier Mascherano, Esteban Cambiasso in the new Manchester United home shirt. David Gill will then say that they hope this will reassure the fans and that there summer spending is not yet over, David Gill will then go on to say that they have 3 to 4 more potential signing. Sir Alex will then go into detail about the transfers, contract lengths of each player and why they have signed each player. Fans who think that this is just a fan writing this report and what you have read and about to read below is very suspicious and strange behavior for Manchester United are wrong as this is what the Glazers are known for in America, the Glazer family are renowned for there strange approach towards the press and straight to the point, over the top conferences. The report I read also had some names of the other potential signing that David Gill stated earlier in the press conference, those names were Franck Ribery, Juan Roman Riquelme, Rafinha, Rafael van der Vaart, Joe Cole, Simao and Klass Jan Huntelaar. Now next to the player called Klass Jan Huntelaar, written was January 2007. so I can only presume that they are signing him in the January Transfer window. Then Sire Alex will let the press ask questions, once this is over Sir Alex will then go onto say that they have also signed Kerlon Souza from Cruzeiro Fc and that with them unable to acquire a work permit, Kerlon will go straight on loan to Racing Santander Fc for 2 seasons and that they have the promise of Racing Santander coach Juan Ramon Lopez Caro, that Kerlon will play at least 15 games in each season that he is there. Then nearer to the end of the press conference there will be more questions from the press and then Sir Alex will talk about the upcoming season, he will go onto to say that Ben Foster will be the new number two goal keeper and Gerard Pique and Guiseppe Rossi will be heading to West Brom on loan for a season.

Press Conference Over."


Is this true or again fake... Dunno abt that...

*yawn*

Still waiting for that press conference... :sleep: :sleep:
Its only 2 hours late.. there is still hope!!!

dude its not going to happen. That was all a load of bullshi't made by some attention seeking idiot that doesn't have a life.

dude its not going to happen. That was all a load of bullshi't made by some attention seeking idiot that doesn't have a life.

He broke my heart... :f***: :f***: :f***:

TBH, I am waiting for the Italian verdict tho..

According to a Marca poll 2/3 of 115 thousand Madrid fans doesn't want Ruud at their club

I hope he does wel in Spain anyway but United will be losing a goalmachine that's for sure :kader:

Hey m still here ;) ...well if he does leave then its a gr8 loss for united, he will always be remebered as "United's Goal Machine" and a legend :rockman:

I hope he does a well in spain and not warm the bench again :nape:...ah well, cant believe that he is actually close to the deal :( :(

Ahh yes, so we're still standing around with our thumb in our butt while other teams make moves? I dunno why we're just doing NOTHING? Even Portsmouth are doing things, they're looking to bid for Portugese wonderkid Manuel Fernandes, while we......wait? For what? I dont understand at all.

Why the hell wait for the damn italian trial, we should be bidding for other players in the mean time.

Yeah, it seems like the Kuszack deal might be ****ed up by our board as well :rockman: . At least we can't get the bad ones either as well as the good ones.



Don't worry guys, we will make our BIG midfield signings in giving new contracts to O'Shea and Fletcher and we will be all set to rock Chelsea. :jap:

According to a Marca poll 2/3 of 115 thousand Madrid fans doesn't want Ruud at their club

Yes well they don't have nothing to say about the matter cause Calderon said today that Ruud is coming to Real for 3 years. Ruud and Real agreed on a new contract, only the negotiations between Real and MU needs to finish the proceedings. Ruud hopes that the deal is done before he 'needs to return' to Manchester cause he doesn't want to return anymore.
So things will be clear before the first training on 24th of july.
It's all over the newspapers here in Holland :rolleyes: even the more distinguished newspapers tell the story.

Furthermore Klaas-Jan Huntelaar will definitely not go to Manchester, Ajax stated that they have paid 13 Million for him and every club that wants him can and I quote our manager:"forget about it"
Huntelaar scored already 11 goals in three matches in one week time (Y) in friendly games with Ajax. If we are talking about a goalmachine, this guy is the definition of that ;)
Huntelaar says in a statement that he has no intention leaving Ajax for at least one or two seasons.

But I don't understand the hesitation with MU, strike now or you will be too late for the top players in Europe cause they will all be engaged at other topclubs :(

Personally, I'm one of those who doesn't want Ruud...lazy mofo :(

Ahh yes, so we're still standing around with our thumb in our butt while other teams make moves? I dunno why we're just doing NOTHING? Even Portsmouth are doing things, they're looking to bid for Portugese wonderkid Manuel Fernandes, while we......wait? For what? I dont understand at all.

Why the hell wait for the damn italian trial, we should be bidding for other players in the mean time.


how do you know where not just cos the club is being quiet deosnt mean were not doing things, i mean look at the times in the alst few years weve said we had a n interest ina player only for chelsea to come in and scupper it, by signing the player or driving the asking price to daft amounts, i think we''l stay quiet publically until we have the player in the bag, who that maybe is anyones guess but im sure we'll get 2 or 3 players come the start of the season

Patience.

some news from just in
from the beeb (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/5157388.stm)

it seems ever so clear that Ruud will leave.
Very sad.
he has been the best ever united striker i have seen in my time since i never was able to see Law, CHarlton and co.

His transfer will be a HUGE loss to us.
We cant blame things as such that we couldnt win things due to him in the team.he did his job- scoring 149 goals for the club in 4-5 seasons.
it was the responsibility for his teammates too , to contribute.
just when him and rooney's strikeforce was looking deadly as ever, we lose him.

he should have atleast been allowed to score his 150th goal and go with a great reception from the fans.

also does anyone know if the match tomorrow is on the tv?

he should have atleast been allowed to score his 150th goal and go with a great reception from the fans.

He did score the goal.

it seems ever so clear that Ruud will leave.
Very sad.
he has been the best ever united striker i have seen in my time since i never was able to see Law, CHarlton and co.

His transfer will be a HUGE loss to us.
We cant blame things as such that we couldnt win things due to him in the team.he did his job- scoring 149 goals for the club in 4-5 seasons.
it was the responsibility for his teammates too , to contribute.
just when him and rooney's strikeforce was looking deadly as ever, we lose him.

he should have atleast been allowed to score his 150th goal and go with a great reception from the fans.

Well said (Y) (Y)
I couldn't agree more

also does anyone know if the match tomorrow is on the tv?

I've seen adverts here in the UK, it's being shown on MUTV I think. You'll obviously have to pay for the channel to watch the match. :p

Great job sir alex. You force out our best striker when we need midfielders, and you now sign a 4 million pound championship keeper. Well done, keep up the good work you moron.

He did score the goal.

think again mate.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/shared/bsp/hi/football/statistics/players/v/van_nistelrooy_47691.stm


Current club totals

Apps As sub Goals Yellow Red

Total (Club) 218 (19) 149 21 0
League 150 (13) 95 16 0
FA Cup 14 (3) 14 1 0
League Cup 6 (1) 2 0 0
European/Others 48 (2) 38 4 0

by the way, apart from ruud, what do you guys think of the new look www.manutd.com ?


and yes, by the way:
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=403185&CPID=10&clid=1&lid=&title=Pilgrims+seal+Old+Trafford+raid

blake looked a decent prospect. wonder if the fee of £200,000 is too cheap?
but then again it is united.
if we can buy a championship keeper for 4m then why not sell a decent forward for £200,000?
:nape:

I like the new layout of manutd.com (Y)

Is it worrying to you guys if Ruud And Ronaldo Leave??

Actually never mind i almost forgot you have saha which will fill in nicely..

Saha is no RvN mate :rolleyes: Hopefully Ole Gunnar Solskjaer will score goals again (Y)
Ronaldo is not going anywhere cause he's not allowed to.
SAF is a real piece of work, telling the media today that Ruud has requested for a transfer out :nape:
He should've said that he forced him out just like he did with Jaap Stam, Beckham, Keano, now Ruud and I'm afraid next on the list will be Wayne if he keeps this up.

I trust SAF eventho I do not agree letting Ruud go, He's been our best Striker for years now. I Hope we can get a good replacement IMO Torres is not, He is just too Inmature and misses too much chances. Huntelaar in the other hand could be Ruud natural replacement, but then again Ajax just bought him so I dont think they'll be selling him. Another Option we have is Zlatan cuz Juve is going down, Maybe a double transfer involving Zlatan and Viera. I heard the other day that Robben wont be at Chelsea next season he could be a great signing!!

Forget about Huntelaar, Ajax will not negotiate a deal regarding Huntelaar with any club, out of the question and he is our main striker to get us the championship again this season so that leaves Zlatan but he had a bad season and an even worse WC :rolleyes:

I trust SAF eventho I do not agree letting Ruud go, He's been our best Striker for years now. I Hope we can get a good replacement IMO Torres is not, He is just too Inmature and misses too much chances. Huntelaar in the other hand could be Ruud natural replacement, but then again Ajax just bought him so I dont think they'll be selling him. Another Option we have is Zlatan cuz Juve is going down, Maybe a double transfer involving Zlatan and Viera. I heard the other day that Robben wont be at Chelsea next season he could be a great signing!!


we dopnt want him. Let him rot in hell.
He didnt come to United. ful of talent ,dives, and greed.
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THE GREAT DUTCHMAN:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/photo_galleries/5181474.stm

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41889000/jpg/_41889286_ruud_psv416.jpgA 24-year-old Ruud van Nistelrooy is a Man Utd target while at PSV Eindhoven but injury puts a transfer on hold

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41889000/jpg/_41889284_ruud_premrecord300.jpgLater that season he sets a Premiership record of scoring in eight consecutive matches with a penalty against Blackburn

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41889000/jpg/_41889282_ruud_pfa220.jpgBut he is still the Champions League top scorer, scores 30 goals in the season and wins the PFA Player of the Year

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41889000/jpg/_41889274_ruud_eplwinner220.jpgRuud finally gets his hands on some silverware as his 25 Premiership goals help Man Utd clinch the title in 2003

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41889000/jpg/_41889276_ruud_eurorecord220.jpgIn 2003 a strike against Stuttgart in the Champions League sees him match Denis Law's club record of 28 European goals

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41889000/jpg/_41889278_ruud_facup416.jpgAnd he gets his hands on more silverware when his two goals help Man Utd beat Milwall 3-0 in the 2004 FA Cup final

Is sad to see him leave like this....he is one of my favourate player...the best finisher for so long....gonna reallt miss him :S

Wellll Juve is going down, relegated to Serie B so let's start shopping there, I feel sorry for the Juvefans cause I can't think of nothing worse then your team getting relegated and losing the Scudetto but other teams need to survive too :boohoo:

it'll be a shame if he goes but hey £10-15mil for a 30 year old striker we paid £19m for is pretty good business, i dont think we'll sell ronnie now as i cant see us selling 2 big players this year just open to who were gonna get now? persobnally someone like torres i d love at our club or maybe zlatan given the situation in italy? anyone else got any realistic ideas?

Zlatan opened talks with Internazionale :( and they are set to swoop him away asap.

we dopnt want him. Let him rot in hell.
He didnt come to United. ful of talent ,dives, and greed.
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I agree with u. (Y)


And for SAF (Y) when chealse signing players like Ballack, Sevchenko and dunno how many money power players. Its time for Fergi to play reverse game by taking out good players. Hats Off SAF.
Hope our strikers Saha (good player but 90% injured), rooney, rossi (I want him to be on pitch for full 90 min) plays well and shine through out da season.

Zlatan opened talks with Internazionale :( and they are set to swoop him away asap.

:boohoo: i was thinking of zaltan to replace ruud

i cant see anyone competeing with us for torres as real have ruud,and barca dont need him and italy there is only one club there and that is inter and im sure he said he didnt want to go to italy but i think a deal could be sorted for torres and wat do u think of juve out of seire a paddy vieira said if he was to leave juve it would probably be to united in his book :jambo: and any one for david trezuguet

I don't know where you read that but Vieira said a few weeks ago that he wanted to go to Ajax for 1 year on a loan and then back to Juve :o
We thought it was a joke but the Ajaxboard confirmed it, Vieira was waiting for the verdict but he will make a choice now for sure.
Honestly I don't think we (Ajax) needs him with Gabri and Roger who just came from Barca, Kenneth Perez, Wesley Sneijder and Hedwiges Maduro but hell if he wants to who are we to say no :p

http://www.kitbag.com/product_images/maxzoom/prd_maxzoom_158287-648.jpg
I like it (Y)

I don't know where you read that but Vieira said a few weeks ago that he wanted to go to Ajax for 1 year on a loan and then back to Juve
We thought it was a joke but the Ajaxboard confirmed it, Vieira was waiting for the verdict but he will make a choice now for sure.
Honestly I don't think we (Ajax) needs him with Gabri and Roger who just came from Barca, Kenneth Perez, Wesley Sneijder and Hedwiges Maduro but hell if he wants to who are we to say no

i read it in a thing called a auto-biography

Well there goes Gattuso and Pirlo...
What now SAF? What now?

Well there goes Gattuso and Pirlo...
What now SAF? What now?
wat do u mean????????

Well there goes Gattuso and Pirlo...
What now SAF? What now?

Cheez.... you believe the media too much, just because the media said that SAF is waiting for the verdict doesn't mean that it is true. Gattuso said about a week ago that he wouldn't turn his back on Milan no matter what. The transfer window is still open for one and a half month so stop being uptight. Are you insecure or something? It is becoming a bit annoying....Gill and co. aren't stupid, even they know that we need a few good midfielders and they promised us a couple of new signings. I have never witnessed Man U not being on the transfermarket during the summer, and I am sure that there won't be any change this summer....

you guys should get Maniche or Viera

I doubt vieira would be highly accepted at old trafford. haha

Respect to Keano.

No thanks Vieira.

we surely need a playmaker too, i don't think scholes will be nuf as fergie says. zlatan and inter are in talks but i think if united come in they can snare him...

3 big signings will do - a striker, a dm and a playmaker. btw is pirlo a dm or a playmaker? wonder if fergie be man enuf to try and sign buffon

Buffon will cost a bomb, and we are close to signing that Kuscak (sp) despite denial from West brom.


But we do need to buy at least 2 CM and a replacement for Ruud too. One of the papers claiming today we bid for Defoe.

despite how sh*tty he was for us, I still think Maniche would be a very very acceptable plan B. You could probably still get him out of Moscow for 5 million, even with the tournament he had. He doesnt want to go back, period

defoe will be an alright signing, but will he provide us with 20+ goals every season in the EPL? nor do we have a regular goal-scoring midfielder like lampard. scholes doesn't score as much as he used to.. we made a huge mistake missing out on ballack for free. that kind of class for free wud have been good.

well it looks like the kuscyack (sp) deal is pretty much a dead cert since WBA have signed zuhberbuller (sp) it was on sky sports last neet. anyway onto non transfer related talk as its getting a bit tiresome really.
what team do yuo reckon SAF is going to put out tonitee/this afternoon. id like to see dong get another game as he must be feeling a bit lonely all out there at antwerp for the alst 2 years, can anyone remeber how long he has to stay there before he comes to us properly?

In all honesty, d3adly, even if United did make an offer to Ballack, I still think he'd go to Chelsea.

http://www.kitbag.com/product_images/maxzoom/prd_maxzoom_158287-648.jpg
I like it (Y)

Looks superb. Wish we had another sponsor though. anything but AIG.......

think again mate.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/shared/bsp/hi/football/statistics/players/v/van_nistelrooy_47691.stm


Current club totals

Apps As sub Goals Yellow Red

Total (Club) 218 (19) 149 21 0
League 150 (13) 95 16 0
FA Cup 14 (3) 14 1 0
League Cup 6 (1) 2 0 0
European/Others 48 (2) 38 4 0

Stats are for twats, and I bet you didn't watch Bolton-United.

the home kit would look great with a "modern-looking" sponsor. With AIG it just looks bland and like something from the 20's.

Needs vodafone on it (H)

Stats are for twats, and I bet you didn't watch Bolton-United.

i'll happily pass on that 'twat' to the bbc.
was that tap in off saha's cross his 150th?
:jacko: then its great ruud got his 150th :rockman:

well the new site -design defo is an improvement over the old one, but some content things are shockinly lacking !

go to players - then legends

where is peter schmeichel, where is eric cantona, becks etc?
they seem to be "wiped" out of the site.

WHAT A JOKE ! - f*cking propagana site.

At least it doesn't hurt the eyes does it? Not that it matters as I rarely visit the site anyway. What's interesting is that the site started a dumb rumour abous us going for Vieira.

Propaganda? :| :rolleyes:

What a finish from Ole. :o

Watching the friendly?

Yeah, why not? A football match is a football match :D

Rossi and Richardson seem to be playing well (Y)

If Rossi wants to enjoy the WC, he either has to play for the USA or return to Italy. IMO, he should play for the USA.

did someone on here actually WANT Zlatan as a replacement for Ruud, you were being sarcastic...right?

No thanks to defoe either, whats with us being linked with all these spurs players that can't even make the england team ahead of the likes of Peter Crouch and Walcott. Torres for me.

Oh, i dont want Luca Toni either... Poor mans Ruud.

I dunno looking at it like this it kinda looks good but still too bad about the sponsor :( and it's good to see Ole Gunnar back in the game (Y) and to see Scholesy back :amika:

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/402/manugw0.jpg

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6241/manu2wn5.jpg

How is the pre-season game going on???

Manchester United strolled to a 4-0 victory over Orlando Pirates in the opening game of the club's South African tour.

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=403355&CPID=34&clid=1&lid=2&title=United+ease+to+friendly+win

some pics...

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/FrameSet.aspx?s=EventImagesSearchState%7c0%7c1%7c0 %7c28%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c1%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c71421751%7c0%7 c0%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c%7c%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c0&p=7&tag=1

Two goals from Ole Gunnar (Y)

Two goals from Ole Gunnar (Y)
He is back!!!!!!!! (i hope)
:jap:

yeah me 2...

i dunno but somehow i just cant seem to make myself like the new kit :rolleyes:...it just doesnt feel right with me...there is too much whiteness in it and i absolutely dont dig the new logo of utd with that white backgrond :kader:

still hopin for the midfielders :boohoo:

Tomasz Kuszczak's transfer to Man UTD becomes complicated because WBA's chairman wants to hold key players for upcoming season.

Aight thanks for the info

How'd the youngsters do, specifically David Jones? And does anyone have highlights of the match or at least the goals?

i cant see anyone competeing with us for torres as real have ruud,and barca dont need him and italy there is only one club there and that is inter and im sure he said he didnt want to go to italy but i think a deal could be sorted for torres and wat do u think of juve out of seire a paddy vieira said if he was to leave juve it would probably be to united in his book :jambo: and any one for david trezuguet
Although there is apparently an understanding between United and Torres' agent, I don't expect to see him at United, we can't afford him, even if we could, I still wouldn't get my hopes up. Milan played a blinder getting rid of Shevchenko, and any player in their right mind, if given the choice of United or Milan, would choose the latter right now, when you consider that United has hundreds of millions of pounds of debt to service and have taken out another loan, and Milan is owned by a family worth £6.5bn.

I just read that SAF wants van der Sar to stay a year longer and he is going to offer him a contract extension.
"Van der Sar has been very valuable for this team and a great asset"
I've read on the Ajaxsite that he wants to stay in Manchester for one season only and then he wants to return to Amsterdam to finish his career at Ajax where he started his career.
So I'm not sure he will sign for a year more.

This KIT looks dull.. not much shine in it.

But anyways OLE :rockman:

how many friendly games will there be after the tour of south africa

How'd the youngsters do, specifically David Jones? And does anyone have highlights of the match or at least the goals?
http://www.mysticfantasy.net/chazoclips/ManUnited-Orlando-Hilights.zip

Watch it with VLC Media player seeing as it needs a codec.

http://www.mysticfantasy.net/chazoclips/ManUnited-Orlando-Hilights.zip

Watch it with VLC Media player seeing as it needs a codec. Awesome, I had found the highlights but had been trying to find the codec to play it, thanks man. (Y)

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1778_1334622,00.html
Just in....look like we wont c any torres here at OT......
any comment on defoe?

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/st...1334622,00.html
Just in....look like we wont c any torres here at OT......
any comment on defoe?

that is rubbish defoe cant even get into the spurs team,and fergie has just said he is keeping his eye on italy

Defoe is a very good striker and still young. He just needs more guidance to become a great finisher, he has the pace, strength and skill to do so.

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/402/manugw0.jpg

Is it just me or the shorts are ULTRA big?

Is it just me or the shorts are ULTRA big?
I must say i like them with the black making the crest stand out,overall the 1st and wat we have seen of the second kit are excellent kits and would look fantastic with vodafone on it but the AIG is growing on me

You easily have the UGLIEST squad besies Bolton and Blackburn.

Awesome, I had found the highlights but had been trying to find the codec to play it, thanks man. (Y)
No problemo. :jap:

You easily have the UGLIEST squad besies Bolton and Blackburn.
I'd rather be ugly than in fourth place.

As for Defoe coming, I'd welcome that with open arms. Defoe is absolutely deadly. Imagine the shear pace and movement our team would have with him up front with Rooney, teams would have to sit back all game out of fear of being counterattacked. He can also unlock defenses and score wondergoals, I'd sign him, not overrated Torres.

I'd rather be ugly than in fourth place.

I'd rather be 4th place... than YOU!

Oh yes... I went there...

I'd rather be 4th place... than YOU!

Oh yes... I went there...
Oh no you didn't....*takes out earings, cracks neck and knuckles*

http://www.senstad.com/htmls/mike.tyson.small.jpg

Although there is apparently an understanding between United and Torres' agent, I don't expect to see him at United, we can't afford him, even if we could, I still wouldn't get my hopes up. Milan played a blinder getting rid of Shevchenko, and any player in their right mind, if given the choice of United or Milan, would choose the latter right now, when you consider that United has hundreds of millions of pounds of debt to service and have taken out another loan, and Milan is owned by a family worth £6.5bn.

may be european football is the only advantage that we can used to persuade torres join us (:/)

sky uk were showing this last night and no this is not one of those mastecard 'priceless' ads.

rumoured serie A sale

buffon - 18m pounds
cannavaro - 15m pounds
vieira - 5m pounds
trezueguet - 10m pounds
nedved - 4m pounds
thurman - 2m pounds

fergie has said he wants to tap up the italian market this summer , so what the **** is he doing signing a keeper instead of the two cm's we need to fix that big 'ole in our midfield!

Although there is apparently an understanding between United and Torres' agent, I don't expect to see him at United, we can't afford him, even if we could, I still wouldn't get my hopes up. Milan played a blinder getting rid of Shevchenko, and any player in their right mind, if given the choice of United or Milan, would choose the latter right now, when you consider that United has hundreds of millions of pounds of debt to service and have taken out another loan, and Milan is owned by a family worth £6.5bn.
Although I don't expect to see Torres at United, didn't he say that he doesn't want to play in Italy? The scandal hardly helped their cause if they are interested in him.

DAVID BECKHAM will welcome close pal Ruud van Nistelrooy to Real Madrid with open arms.
Manchester United's Dutch striker looks set to join the Spanish giants in an £12million deal early this week. :ewan:


Rooney revealed: "In the tunnel, we (Rooney and ronaldo) wished each other good luck in the game.
"Then he asked me if I'd heard where Quinton Fortune was going? Neither us knew the latest. So that was it."


Manchester United are understood to have made initial moves to bring Patrick Vieira back to the Premiership. Agents close to Vieira, whose club Juventus have been relegated to Serie B as part of Italy's far-reaching corruption investigation, said last night that talks between the parties are under way, with the proposed deal 'very much a live situation'. United, who are understood to be close to agreeing a £12m fee with Real Madrid for the sale of Ruud van Nistelrooy, have added Vieira - no friend of the Holland striker - to a shortlist of possible signings that still includes Lyon's Mahamadou Diarra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d18wY3oy3Gc&search=park%2C%20bishops

Lawl. (8)

fergie has said he wants to tap up the italian market this summer , so what the **** is he doing signing a keeper instead of the two cm's we need to fix that big 'ole in our midfield!
have you ever considered that he may just buy some other players aswell? We need a keeper aswell as some CMs. Jeeze give SAF some credit.

have you ever considered that he may just buy some other players aswell? We need a keeper aswell as some CMs. Jeeze give SAF some credit.


My faith in SAF has taken a knock in recent years, as has my faith we can attract top class players anymore. What sort of message does United losing Van Nistelrooy and (probably) Ronaldo give out? But at the same time I know he is at least trying to re-enforce the squad.

Apparently though the papers have been saying that Torres' closest friends have been quoted that he is desperate to come and "dreams of playing for United" That'd be nice and a boost for the club, though I'm sure Chelsea will enter the bidding. With AC Milan staying in Serie A, though ommitted from the UCL - Maybe we can attract Gattuso as well. Vieira and Nedved have also been mentioned, possibly as loan deals.

Also the Kuszchak deal is looking like it's hit a snag and the Michael Carrick deal has also been setback because United were allegedly offering John O'Shea in part ex, but Spurs want Wes Brown. Still I think £15M will prise him away.


As for yesterday, great to see the "baby faced assassin" back on form. David Jones played well too - I've not had the chance to see him much whilst he was on loan.


Mike

i wont be surprised if fergie's contented with the current team :nape:

i wont be surprised if fergie's contented with the current team :nape:
its pretty clear that he's not. Stop being such a dumbass.

At least we are letting one midfielder go...

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=373940&cc=4716

Well at least Miller is going, that makes me feel a ton better about our midfield situation.. :boohoo:

According to the media we are in talks with Torres;
http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,2483_1335392,00.html

All this whining about not getting players etc. is starting to get a bit annoying, the moment will come that all the critics' mouth here will all be tightly shut

Any English reports on Trezeguet? Seems like Man Utd will want to replace Ruud with Trezeguet.

I have mostly read reports of Liverpool's interest though.

Toni, Trezeguet, Torres... lots of names have been linked with replacing Ruud. I reckon Trez will go to Liverpool.

yeah, Benitez publicly stated that, didnt he? but IMO they have too many already. what they gonna do with Robotman? :D

Trezeguet is one of the best finishers in the game. But considering Ruud's playing style, getting Trezeguet would force a change in system as he plays differently.

Toni and Torres look better suited I must say.

Liverpool seriously need a top striker, at the moment they've only got Crouch, Fowler and Bellamy after Morientes and Cisse have left.

If Benitez can't work with Cisse, what are the odds of him working well with Trezeguet, who is second to Louis Saha, let alone unable to displace Henry from the French set up?

I'm not sure if we should go for trez, seeing as he's like the french ruud, only he doesn't score nearly as much... He's the same type of player, great goalscorer, not good for much else..isn't that why Fergie Wergie dropped Ruud? Because Saha was more mobile and active in buildup play or whatever?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=395910&in_page_id=1779&ct=5

---------------------------------------------------

What happened is there... Convince yourselves that there will be no friction between RoRo.

Good now that this is cleared up let's stop all the rumours about Ronaldo leaving and concentrate on getting new players for Ruud's position and in midfield. It's good to see Scholes back anyway :)
But loaning out Rossi to another team, I think he could be a good sub for RvN, let him prove it up front.

bad.

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=403471&CPID=23&clid=175&lid=2&title=Atletico+stand+firm+over+Torres


Atletico Madrid have moved quickly to deny the latest link between Manchester United and Fernando Torres - insisting they would not sell him for 'all the money in the world'.

English reports suggested that Sir Alex Ferguson was ready to bid in excess of £20 million for the Spanish striker - who had a sensational World Cup finals scoring three goals.

With Ruud van Nistelrooy preparing to leave Old Trafford, resources are not an issue for The Red Devils - and Ferguson was ready to test Atletico's resolve.

However, the capital club have always maintained a strong stance over their young skipper and it would seem they intend to fend off any interest and keep him at The Vincente Calderon for at least another season.

"I do not speak about the rumours in the press, but I would reiterate that Fernando Torres is not for sale," Atletico director general Miguel Angel Gil told skysports.com.

"Not for all the money in the world."

Newly appointed coach Javier Aguirre is indeed relishing the prospect of working with Torres.

"The club has told me that El Nino play this season with us," he said.

"I am preparing all our schemes with his presence in Atletico."

Well that's just great :rolleyes:
What about the rumour that Guti is leaving Real Madrid for Manchester United, Liverpool or Arsenal??

Guti won't come to Arsenal. With Fabregas staying, and being about 1000000 times the player he is. Can't see him at Liverpool, Man Utd? I dunno.

Guti won't come to Arsenal. With Fabregas staying, and being about 1000000 times the player he is. Can't see him at Liverpool, Man Utd? I dunno.

take out 5 0's from that :)

by the way how old is Guti?

Guti won't come to Arsenal. With Fabregas staying, and being about 1000000 times the player he is. Can't see him at Liverpool, Man Utd? I dunno.

Come on now he is not that bad, just inconsistant. When Guti is on form he is a great player ( imo one of the best mids in Spain when on form ). Bad thing with him is that he is inconsistant and acts like a child at times.

Guti is 29 and will be 30 in October.

I dont think he will move though.

I just dont understand why people rate Guti. Versatility perhaps? But other than that, above average at best..

Come on now he is not that bad, just inconsistant. When Guti is on form he is a great player ( imo one of the best mids in Spain when on form ). Bad thing with him is that he is inconsistant and acts like a child at times.

Guti is 29 and will be 30 in October.

I dont think he will move though.

He's decent, it's just that Fabregas is THAT good.

']I just dont understand why people rate Guti. Versatility perhaps? But other than that, above average at best..

He is a good player but its part our fault and his fault as to why he has not become as good as he could have. Part is our fault as we would not use him and buy another play to play his position, so he was forced to learn a new position ( this is why he is versatile otherwise he is an AMC that is his origional position ). Even last season he was played as a DM...:|, Yes he can play as a DM but he is not good there it is not his position. Guti's fault is that he is inconsistant and like I said before acts like a child at times.

bad.

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=403471&CPID=23&clid=175&lid=2&title=Atletico+stand+firm+over+Torres


Atletico Madrid have moved quickly to deny the latest link between Manchester United and Fernando Torres - insisting they would not sell him for 'all the money in the world'.

English reports suggested that Sir Alex Ferguson was ready to bid in excess of £20 million for the Spanish striker - who had a sensational World Cup finals scoring three goals.

With Ruud van Nistelrooy preparing to leave Old Trafford, resources are not an issue for The Red Devils - and Ferguson was ready to test Atletico's resolve.

However, the capital club have always maintained a strong stance over their young skipper and it would seem they intend to fend off any interest and keep him at The Vincente Calderon for at least another season.

"I do not speak about the rumours in the press, but I would reiterate that Fernando Torres is not for sale," Atletico director general Miguel Angel Gil told skysports.com.

"Not for all the money in the world."

Newly appointed coach Javier Aguirre is indeed relishing the prospect of working with Torres.

"The club has told me that El Nino play this season with us," he said.

"I am preparing all our schemes with his presence in Atletico."

Well in another article Atletico Madrid's manager said that he is aware that Torres could be leaving Atletico pretty soon. Torres told him that he can't assure him that he will be in Madrid next season

imo, rossi is good enough to be in first team, for rotate use thou

imo, rossi is good enough to be in first team, for rotate use thou

yeah only if torres is comin...i dont think rooney,saha,ole and smith will get us loads of goals...dont get me wrong, we will get goals but i dont think the consistency will be there... i hope m wrong wat with saha being injured like 80 % of time, ole is 33 (?) smith has heart but still m worried about our strike force if torres is not comin.

I just dont understand why people rate Guti. Versatility perhaps? But other than that, above average at best..
i couldnt agree more

']Any English reports on Trezeguet? Seems like Man Utd will want to replace Ruud with Trezeguet.

I have mostly read reports of Liverpool's interest though.

My god, will you stopping reading papers...

Why do people think that Torres will mean goals? I mean he is not that great of a goal scoring machine, is he?

Why do people think that Torres will mean goals? I mean he is not that great of a goal scoring machine, is he?

True, but he has the potential to become one, he showed it in his first season in La Liga

if we are to replace ruud the only players that i can think of that can come in to replace him is Torres,(is the main target),Trezeguet(good play and gd goalscorer record and scored more then zlatan last season but i would rather give saha a run in the team)huntelaar(he seems to be the a younger model of ruud but we aint goin to get him)defoe(i think he is not up to it end of but i could be wrong)and thats is it really unless fergie goes after the golden boot winner but i dont think that is going to happen so really it is torres or saha

I dunno what everyone sees in Torres, he doesnt really impress me that much.

torres would be good, him and rooney will be deadly up front.

its pretty clear that he's not. Stop being such a dumbass.

as long as he doesnt make dumbass signings.... i m fine

Anyway... torres is overrated IMO. I prefer David Villa.

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1778_1336536,00.html

It seems that we are going for Vieira..... :rolleyes:

And according to the media here in Holland Ruud will be presented by Real on Tuesday.

I wish him the best and I hope that he has a good couple of season's at Real,

What the hell is SAF doing now :nape: must be desperate :boohoo:
He doesn't think for a moment what impact this will have on the fans, another dumb decision :kader:

What the hell is SAF doing now :nape: must be desperate :boohoo:
He doesn't think for a moment what impact this will have on the fans, another dumb decision :kader:

You never know, after a couple of good performances he will be accepted, and as I remember Vieira only disliked Ruud,

If we sign Viera I'lll fry my knackers.

Honestly - it's just not going to happen.

Edited to say - Cantona (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/5186386.stm) :rockman:

"He should keep quiet and do his job"

Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho

haha. priceless (Y)

Haha, Mourinho is right

for once i agreed wit tat mourinho guy....lol :jambo:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/5186380.stm

well, he was a target for us b4 he joined chelsea.
could have been an excellent addition to our squad.
spurs seem to be building up strong now.

Torres scored like how many plus goals with an average team. At United, he will play with world class players and he himself will become a world class player.

You never know, after a couple of good performances he will be accepted, and as I remember Vieira only disliked Ruud,
If we sign Viera, we'll have to forget all that has happened between him and Ruud/Keane (C)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNd2AeOZCrk&search=manchester%20united%20south%20africa

Youtube highlights of the friendly v Orlando Pirates.

Two great goals in there.

thanks (Y)

wat is wrong with viera coming,there was no problem between roy and veira all the interviews one question that is asked to them2 is who is the tyffest oppent and they alwas say each other they were just playing for there club,if u cant have roy then viera is secind best and Graham hunter who is alwas bang on with his info has said torres knows of the strong link from united and is very interested

i'd definately welcome Vieira, he would offer us a vast amount of experience and steady up our midfield.




MILAN ACES EYES DREAM UNITED MOVE (http://www.clubcall.com/index.jsp?storyID=258453)

:D:D:D:D:D

please please PLEASE let this happen!!

come on gattuso. i know you love us (H)

This year could be the best title race ever. If you lot get Gattuso and a half-decent striker, Arsenal sign a hard man in midfield and a centreback, Chelsea as being good and Liverpool looking alright as well, add to that Duff signing for Spurs, we could have a 5 way battle lasting all season.

F*ck the World Cup, I want the premiership!

liverpool? idon't know but i can't wait for the premiership to start, i thought gattuso saidf he never wanted to go to UTD....but it would be cool....who would you rather have? gattuso or vieira?

Tottenham central midfield totally owns Man Utd CM. They have Carrick, Zokora, Jenas, Murphy and Davids. While we have Fletcher, Scholes and O'Shea. :eek:

i wouldn't say pwns.....it hasn't helped them though has it?

liverpool? idon't know but i can't wait for the premiership to start, i thought gattuso saidf he never wanted to go to UTD....but it would be cool....who would you rather have? gattuso or vieira?

gattuso

Manchester United have not made an offer for Atletico Madrid striker Fernando Torres, according to the player's representative.

Tottenham central midfield totally owns Man Utd CM. They have Carrick, Zokora, Jenas, Murphy and Davids. While we have Fletcher, Scholes and O'Shea. :eek:


Spurs r ****

i'd definately welcome Vieira, he would offer us a vast amount of experience and steady up our midfield.




MILAN ACES EYES DREAM UNITED MOVE (http://www.clubcall.com/index.jsp?storyID=258453)

:D:D:D:D:D

please please PLEASE let this happen!!
Maaan, that site doesn't even look legit. Gattuso would be a brilliant signing though.

i'd definately welcome Vieira, he would offer us a vast amount of experience and steady up our midfield.




MILAN ACES EYES DREAM UNITED MOVE (http://www.clubcall.com/index.jsp?storyID=258453)

:D:D:D:D:D

please please PLEASE let this happen!!
Clubcall isn't a much reliable source I'm afraid :( . There are no quotations from Gatusso as well.

Gattuso leaving Milan just because he won't play CL for 1-2 seasons is almost the same as Maldini saying that Real is his favourite club in the world. Just not gonna happen, don't get your hopes up. We had a chance if Milan was in Serie B, but in Serie A forget it.


As for Vieira, i can't believe how much whining we are getting about getting this guy. Our main problem is the central midfield, the rest of the spots easily compete with the best and here we are with a chance to sign currently the best defensive box-to-box midfield in the world who is still 29 and has a few years ahead of his for 8 million pounds, but yet some of you still whine that you don't want him!!! And then go on and almost cream yourself from the chance to sign Owen Hargreaves :kader: , what the f is wrong with you? Or get Carrick who is much worse and would cost 6 million pounds more, although he is english.

Who gives a **** about what history he had with Ruud? Ruud doesn't want to play for United anymore anyways and i'm waiting for him to sign for Real Madrid, who apparently, even though after saying that United and Ajax were his only favourite clubs and that he would only play for the two of them, always dreamed of playing for Real.

A lot of you complained about Smith coming to United and saying how the fans won't like him, 2 years later and he is like one of your favourite players. And if Vieira can get us the EPL title back, then he will be your favourite as well. Right now he is the most safest and best option to go for. He is the same age as Gattuso and you know for sure that he will fit in at EPL, while Gattuso might not, and they are almost the same age as well. Signing Vieira would be the best thing that happened to this club since getting Wayne Rooney and would definietly make my summer, even if the club didn't buy a replace for Ruud.

Gattuso i s a loyal milan player, so you guys can forget about him.. :jambo:

Signing Vieira will make like ZERO sense. Number one, he's 30 now, he's on the decline. Arsene Wenger recognized this and dumped him. What the hell are we doing signing him? There are so many better options than that diving, cheating fag, I dont want him here, and the majority of United fans agree. He can rot in Serie B.

There is Mascherano, Yaya Toure, Hargreaves etc, the **** we gonna buy a 30 year old for? Especially a cheating, ex-Arsenal player who hated our guts. He ****in tried to intimidate Gary Neville when we ****ed them up at Highbury, as if he's gonna come here and call Neville captain.. **** him. We cant be that poor if we're about to throw away 4 mill on Kuzchak or whatever his name is, so we might as well spend the money on a player who will pay us back over a few years. It's not that ****in hard, you fly to Brazil and YOU BID FOR MASCHERANO!!! I bet he'll move to some other team for like 8 mill while we sit around with our thumb in our asses, AGAIN.

Signing Vieira will make like ZERO sense. Number one, he's 30 now, he's on the decline. Arsene Wenger recognized this and dumped him. What the hell are we doing signing him? There are so many better options than that diving, cheating fag, I dont want him here, and the majority of United fans agree. He can rot in Serie B.

There is Mascherano, Yaya Toure, Hargreaves etc, the **** we gonna buy a 30 year old for? Especially a cheating, ex-Arsenal player who hated our guts. He ****in tried to intimidate Gary Neville when we ****ed them up at Highbury, as if he's gonna come here and call Neville captain.. **** him. We cant be that poor if we're about to throw away 4 mill on Kuzchak or whatever his name is, so we might as well spend the money on a player who will pay us back over a few years. It's not that ****in hard, you fly to Brazil and YOU BID FOR MASCHERANO!!! I bet he'll move to some other team for like 8 mill while we sit around with our thumb in our asses, AGAIN.

makes a lot of sense

Gattuso leaving Milan just because he won't play CL for 1-2 seasons is almost the same as Maldini saying that Real is his favourite club in the world. Just not gonna happen, don't get your hopes up. We had a chance if Milan was in Serie B, but in Serie A forget it.


As for Vieira, i can't believe how much whining we are getting about getting this guy. Our main problem is the central midfield, the rest of the spots easily compete with the best and here we are with a chance to sign currently the best defensive box-to-box midfield in the world who is still 29 and has a few years ahead of his for 8 million pounds, but yet some of you still whine that you don't want him!!! And then go on and almost cream yourself from the chance to sign Owen Hargreaves :kader: , what the f is wrong with you? Or get Carrick who is much worse and would cost 6 million pounds more, although he is english.

Who gives a **** about what history he had with Ruud? Ruud doesn't want to play for United anymore anyways and i'm waiting for him to sign for Real Madrid, who apparently, even though after saying that United and Ajax were his only favourite clubs and that he would only play for the two of them, always dreamed of playing for Real.

A lot of you complained about Smith coming to United and saying how the fans won't like him, 2 years later and he is like one of your favourite players. And if Vieira can get us the EPL title back, then he will be your favourite as well. Right now he is the most safest and best option to go for. He is the same age as Gattuso and you know for sure that he will fit in at EPL, while Gattuso might not, and they are almost the same age as well. Signing Vieira would be the best thing that happened to this club since getting Wayne Rooney and would definietly make my summer, even if the club didn't buy a replace for Ruud.

Well said, I agree!

Didn't we have ex-Arsenal players whom were a succes at OT? I would welcome Vieira anytime. Maybe Vieira just needed another challenge after Arsenal, because from what I saw he had a very good WC.

Mascherano for £8m? No chance. There's a reason why he's still in Brazil. And it's because of the club, they want big money for him. I'd say you wont get him for less than £12m.

Mascherano for £8m? No chance. There's a reason why he's still in Brazil. And it's because of the club, they want big money for him. I'd say you wont get him for less than £12m.
£12m? That'd be an utter bargain. I'd pay £25 mill for him if I could. He's utter class. He's a like young Makelele except he is a lot more involved in attacks. I dont see the point in spending 4 mill for Kuzchak, maybe 8 mill for Veira and like 20m for Torres, it's stupid.

Tottenham central midfield totally owns Man Utd CM. They have Carrick, Zokora, Jenas, Murphy and Davids. While we have Fletcher, Scholes and O'Shea. :eek:
long time no seen? :)
btw i agree with you

Signing Vieira will make like ZERO sense. Number one, he's 30 now, he's on the decline. Arsene Wenger recognized this and dumped him. What the hell are we doing signing him? There are so many better options than that diving, cheating fag, I dont want him here, and the majority of United fans agree. He can rot in Serie B.

There is Mascherano, Yaya Toure, Hargreaves etc, the **** we gonna buy a 30 year old for? Especially a cheating, ex-Arsenal player who hated our guts. He ****in tried to intimidate Gary Neville when we ****ed them up at Highbury, as if he's gonna come here and call Neville captain.. **** him. We cant be that poor if we're about to throw away 4 mill on Kuzchak or whatever his name is, so we might as well spend the money on a player who will pay us back over a few years. It's not that ****in hard, you fly to Brazil and YOU BID FOR MASCHERANO!!! I bet he'll move to some other team for like 8 mill while we sit around with our thumb in our asses, AGAIN.
Gattuso is only 1.5 years younger than Vieira and is unproven in EPL, unlike Patrick and yet you are willing to take him with open arms? Don't know what games you saw of Patrick in the past year, but from some of Juve games and France WC games i have not seen much decline in his game. And for 8 million pounds, we can get good 2-3 years from him. Only a few month ago we were just talking about getting SOMEBODY who is a central midfielder. Now we have a great chance to sign arguably the best central midfielder in the world and we start picking and choosing like all CM's in the world are just lining up to sign for us.

For all i know Toure could end up like Djemba-Djemba, and i still don't understand why people like Hargreaves. If he had his best England performance against Paraguay and his worst against Portugal, then people would be saying that he is crap, but now a lot of ppl seem to rate him high. If he is really that good, then that must mean that he is very inconsistent and i don't need someone who will play like Fletcher every 5 games and play like Gattuso every sixth one.
Same thing about Mascherano, how do you know that he will be great? Kleberson was pretty damn good too before he came to United. Javier has the potential, but we are not in a position to risk the opportunity, when we can get a MUCH MUCH safer option and MUCH cheaper in Patrick Vieira. And if he is ready to come to United, that means that he is ready to play under Neville. And it was Keane/Ruud vs. Vieira, not Neville with Vieira.

You gotta realize that to attract the best players again, we have to win EPL and right now Vieira is a perfect short-term solution for this. We need someone that will do the job straight away and won't need time to adjust at all, otherwise we will start losing more players.

Well said. Vieira coming would be the ideal short term fix, and it'd buy much needed time for United to find the right sucessor. Plus the likes of David Jones and the youngsters could learn much from Vieira's style. Be too weird if he wears #16 though!

I would love for Gattuso to come over as well, I was very impressed with his displays for the Italians during the WC.

As for Kleberson, I felt he was still a class player - but IMO SAF wasted him by trying to convert him to AM. Kleberson's forte was sitting and protecting the back four, and IMO he was one of the best. He was poorly utilised plus his luck with injuries didn't help his cause either.


Mike

Gattuso is only 1.5 years younger than Vieira and is unproven in EPL, unlike Patrick and yet you are willing to take him with open arms?
It doesn't matter if he's unproven in the EPL, he's world class, and is taylor made for the EPL. He is quick, he is stocky, never shies out of a tackle, good passer, and determined. He's a ****in bloodhound, he will hunt you and take you down. Why on earth would he not fit in the EPL? He has a Scottish wife for christs sake.

Don't know what games you saw of Patrick in the past year, but from some of Juve games and France WC games i have not seen much decline in his game.
And then again, he got pwned in the CL by Fabregas, haha. That is why he is in decline, he cannot consistenly produce the form he used to for Arsenal.

And for 8 million pounds, we can get good 2-3 years from him.
Yeah, a good 2-3 years of a declining player.

Only a few month ago we were just talking about getting SOMEBODY who is a central midfielder. Now we have a great chance to sign arguably the best central midfielder in the world and we start picking and choosing like all CM's in the world are just lining up to sign for us.
LMFAO...surely you're having a laugh. The best central midfielder in the world? Are you taking the ******* piss? Are you on ******* crack? Sorry, but that is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard, I cant take you seriously anymore.

For all i know Toure could end up like Djemba-Djemba, and i still don't understand why people like Hargreaves.
Toure is infinitely more skilled than Djemba-Djemba, I guess you've never seen him play. Hargreaves is a great player, who just wasn't utilized right in the England squad until the Portugal game. Why have Bayern kept him so long if he was no good?

Same thing about Mascherano, how do you know that he will be great? Kleberson was pretty damn good too before he came to United.
Sorry, but you're comparing apples to oranges again, do you even think? Mascherano is raw world class. He is MADE for the EPL. He's a midfield general who will win us the ball, protect our back four and he's extremely physical. Kleberson is the opposite of all this so comparing them is once again.. STUPID.

Javier has the potential, but we are not in a position to risk the opportunity, when we can get a MUCH MUCH safer option and MUCH cheaper in Patrick Vieira. And if he is ready to come to United, that means that he is ready to play under Neville. And it was Keane/Ruud vs. Vieira, not Neville with Vieira.
Javier doesn't have potential..Javier is world class...NOW. He is not a risk, what the hell? Look at Heinze, would you say Heinze is a risk now eh? Yeah, we're getting the MUCH MUCH cheaper option in Vieira, but in the process we're getting the MUCH MUCH older player, who we hate very MUCH, who hates a lot of our players MUCH MUCH.

You gotta realize that to attract the best players again, we have to win EPL and right now Vieira is a perfect short-term solution for this. We need someone that will do the job straight away and won't need time to adjust at all, otherwise we will start losing more players.
Signing Vieira will NOT guarantee us the title. Moot point.

stop b*tching around on vieira u guys.
the biggest thing is that he May never come to united.
man its like vince mcmahon joining DX

stop b*tching around on vieira u guys.
the biggest thing is that he May never come to united.
man its like vince mcmahon joining DX


LOL You obviously don't remember the Corporate Ministry or the "Higher Power" do you? :jambo:

Never say never - no one thought Figo would jump from Barca to Real .... but he did.



Mike

Giggsy has gone Fergie :(
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/manchesterunited/s/218/218191_old_boys_back_as_good_as_new.html

look paddy veira going to united is no big deal this was discussed when paddy left arsenal,i personaly dont want him at united much perfer mascherano as i beleive he will be happier and he is still young in footballl terms

Moutinho, Manuel Fernandes, Yaya Toure, Mascherano...too much young midfield talent to be wasting money on crap.

Jesus Christ, last year you people were desperatly hoping we sign Owen, now Vieira? What is it with you guys, why would you want us to sign players who have made it clear they hate Manchester United? Plus Vieira isn't half the player he once was and he has always been a whining, cheating ****. I'd rather see Darren Fletcher captaining our side for the next decade than have Vieira anywhere near United. So what if Ruud's gone, some of the remaining older players hate the **** nearly as much. Seriously, if someone had told you three years ago that we'd be getting rid of Keane and Ruud and bring in Vieira, how would that have been taken? And if we're really going for that sack of ****, why not bid for Robbie Fowler as well. Would be a great package.

Jesus Christ, last year you people were desperatly hoping we sign Owen, now Vieira? What is it with you guys, why would you want us to sign players who have made it clear they hate Manchester United? Plus Vieira isn't half the player he once was and he has always been a whining, cheating ****. I'd rather see Darren Fletcher captaining our side for the next decade than have Vieira anywhere near United. So what if Ruud's gone, some of the remaining older players hate the **** nearly as much. Seriously, if someone had told you three years ago that we'd be getting rid of Keane and Ruud and bring in Vieira, how would that have been taken? And if we're really going for that sack of ****, why not bid for Robbie Fowler as well. Would be a great package.
since u like to go on and on why dont you throw up a midfielder that is in our budget

since u like to go on and on why dont you throw up a midfielder that is in our budget
How do you know our budget? Are you the Manchester United accountant?

It doesn't matter if he's unproven in the EPL, he's world class, and is taylor made for the EPL. He is quick, he is stocky, never shies out of a tackle, good passer, and determined. He's a ****in bloodhound, he will hunt you and take you down. Why on earth would he not fit in the EPL? He has a Scottish wife for christs sake.

You are still just guessing, that based on what he showed in Serie A, he will be able to do the same in EPL. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. My point was that Gattuso is barely younger, would cost at least twice as much as Vieira and he might or might not do the job that we know Vieira will.

And then again, he got pwned in the CL by Fabregas, haha. That is why he is in decline, he cannot consistenly produce the form he used to for Arsenal.

He probably got owned, because Wenger knows him pretty damn well, he knows how to use him and how to take him out. The whole Juventus team was outplayed by Arsenal. Fabregas might have had the last laugh in those two games, but remind me again what position Arsenal finished two years ago and what position they finished this year with Febregas who according to you is better than Vieira?

LMFAO...surely you're having a laugh. The best central midfielder in the world? Are you taking the ******* piss? Are you on ******* crack? Sorry, but that is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard, I cant take you seriously anymore.

Again, that's your opinion. But in my opinion he is one of the best and the fact that Arsenal got 16 points less in a season without him says a lot, especially that Vieira finished first in Serie A with his team. Even though Juventus fixed 4 games, it is very likely that they would have won at least 2 of those 4 games anyways.


Toure is infinitely more skilled than Djemba-Djemba, I guess you've never seen him play. Hargreaves is a great player, who just wasn't utilized right in the England squad until the Portugal game. Why have Bayern kept him so long if he was no good?

Toure is infinitely more skilled than Djemba? How can you say that, when Djemba did so well in Nantes in both French league and CL? And he also did well in African Nations Cup and World Cup in 2002.
I have seen him play, but not a lot, have you seen him play a lot?

Sorry, but you're comparing apples to oranges again, do you even think? Mascherano is raw world class. He is MADE for the EPL. He's a midfield general who will win us the ball, protect our back four and he's extremely physical. Kleberson is the opposite of all this so comparing them is once again.. STUPID.

I wasn't comparing the two, i was saying that Kleberson was supposed to shine in EPL, but didn't and that can happen to any south american player.

Javier doesn't have potential..Javier is world class...NOW. He is not a risk, what the hell? Look at Heinze, would you say Heinze is a risk now eh? Yeah, we're getting the MUCH MUCH cheaper option in Vieira, but in the process we're getting the MUCH MUCH older player, who we hate very MUCH, who hates a lot of our players MUCH MUCH.

Javier world class at 22? Why do you rate him so highly, it's not like he was the only reason why Argentina made it to the World Cup, in which they didn't do as good as they should. The kid didn't even play against the world's best on the regular basis yet and you already put him in the same bracket as the greatest midfielders like Gattuso, Emerson and Gerrard. Heinze played a good few years at PSG against some of the world's best comparing his knowledge to Mascherano's is stupid as well. If you just brought him to prove that argentinians can do well at United, well than how well did Veron did? He was a king at Lazio.

How can you rate kids like Mascherano and Toure better option than Vieira right now just based on their potential? You are not world class until you have proven yourself against the world's best game in game out. United fans complain about always thinking for the future too much and not thinking about the present and here you are ready to give our midfield to a kid. You do realize that whoever we get for that position, will be the role model for other young midfielders in our squad and what experience can Toure or Mascherano give players like Jones?


Buying Vieira won't guarantee us the title, but we will have a much better chance to win the 06/07 title with him, than with Mascherano. Mascherano never played in europe, he will be the one learning, he is no midfield general and the last thing we need right now is another young player that is still learning his ways. If you haven't noticed people begin to say that United is more and more on a decline, like i said, the last thing they need is someone who will need adapting (maybe he won't, but basing on experience from south american players going to europe, he will). We are already falling further behind Chelsea and right now we need someone that will take us and bring a few steps closers to them, so that people will again look at us with at least some fear and that's when we can start thinking about singing kids with amazing potential that in future will greatly help the club.


And also in response to Maichal1616 aswell, what in the world makes you think that Vieira hates United very very much? I don't remember him ever coming out and saying that he hates United, in fact i remember him saying 2 years ago that he has great respect for Fergie and doesn't rule out ever playing for Manchester. The argument that fans and players hate him is really weak. Alan Smith was the MOST hated player by United 2 years ago, i remember very well, when nobody here wanted him and were talking about how he sang songs about Munich crash and blah blah blah, where is he now? Please, guys don't bring that stupid topic ever again, at least not until you explain to me how this situation is different from Smitty's.


Look, untouchable, i don't want to start any arguments here and waste pointless time, but if you think that 22 year old players like Toure and Mascherano and a better SHORT term fix for our midfield, than that's your opinion. You may think that Vieira is on a decline, but looking at his WC, he is still doing pretty damn good and for 8 million i will take him with a heartbeat, besides how do you know that Mascherano and Toure even want to play for United? Last time i checked world class players didn't fancy United that much and the main reason for that is that our squad is not that great RIGHT NOW, not how it's gonna be in 3-4 years, but right now.


And who the hell are Moutinho and Manuel Fernandes? Talking about giving a huge role to 20 year old kids that just surfaced on a scene with no big experience whatsoever. Vieira is not that old, we got a 35 year old keeper starting for us, geez.

would u welcome this:

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=403747&CPID=21&clid=1&lid=&title=Pirlo+set+for+Milan+exit

and btw why shud we pay 8m for vieira after juventus has been relegated, we shud be able to snap him up for 5m.

will this make u change ur minds:

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=403747&CPID=21&clid=1&lid=&title=Pirlo+set+for+Milan+exit
Not at all... Pirlo wouldn't fit into the team.

Gattuso is the player I want right now, mainly for some of the reasons that Help brought up about current experience. While we have to concede that he hasn't been proven in the EPL, he does seem - as someone else pointed out - to be tailormade for the league. I rate him higher than Vieira in terms of ability in general, regardless of league, and I do believe that Gattuso would easily "adapt" to the EPL.

would u welcome this:

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=403747&CPID=21&clid=1&lid=&title=Pirlo+set+for+Milan+exit

and btw why shud we pay 8m for vieira after juventus has been relegated, we shud be able to snap him up for 5m.
Well it says that he wants to go to Spain, so you never know.


And i would take Gattuso with a big smile on my face as well, it's just that i don't believe that he will leave Milan ever, while Vieira could go very easily and they are not that different really. Gattuso is more of a defensive midfielder though, while Vieira is a box-to-box midfielder that is very similar to Keane.

so help you would be happy with either one?

I personally think that a torres and a gattusso/vieira wud make this a good summer

so help you would be happy with either one?

a personally think that a torres and a gattusso/vieira wud make this a good summer
Yes, i would even be happy with mascherano. Right now i would be happy with any midfielder that has some type of central midfield knowledge, compared to O'Shea or Fletcher. It's just that i would rather have Vieira or Gattuso over anybody else.

i hope now he doesn't say he wants to go to valencia:
http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,19828022-29437,00.html

why won't valencia back-off!!

You are still just guessing, that based on what he showed in Serie A, he will be able to do the same in EPL. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. My point was that Gattuso is barely younger, would cost at least twice as much as Vieira and he might or might not do the job that we know Vieira will.

....

Vieira is not that old, we got a 35 year old keeper starting for us, geez.

Well said.

i hope now he doesn't say he wants to go to valencia:
http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,19828022-29437,00.html

why won't valencia back-off!!
Ronaldo at Valencia! lol

Untouchable, you have a good point there, as does Help, but when youre in your financial straits, an option like Mascherano (who, mind you, plays for a billionaire himself) is sometimes not possible. Eventually, when he wants to leave, he will just flip a switch and have Europe's biggest lining up to get him. Same goes for Gattuso. He would be awesome for you, but Berlusconi doesnt need to sell his players.

Though i dont think Vieira is the best option (the history is too much for me) a stopgap like Emerson or whoever, even if they are old as dirt, makes you better now, for likely far less money. Low risk, high reward.

You are still just guessing, that based on what he showed in Serie A, he will be able to do the same in EPL. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. My point was that Gattuso is barely younger, would cost at least twice as much as Vieira and he might or might not do the job that we know Vieira will.
I'm guessing based on the type of players that make it here, and the type of players that fail here. Gattuso fits the type of player that makes it here, therefore I assume he will make it here. Just because Vieira was a huge success here in the past, what makes you think he will recreate that form? Does Scholes play as well as he did a few seasons back?

He probably got owned, because Wenger knows him pretty damn well, he knows how to use him and how to take him out. The whole Juventus team was outplayed by Arsenal. Fabregas might have had the last laugh in those two games, but remind me again what position Arsenal finished two years ago and what position they finished this year with Febregas who according to you is better than Vieira?
Arsenal didn't do anything special to beat Juventus, Juventus were just absolutely terrible. Their passing was terrible, their penetration was terrible. Arsene knows our team very well, why does he have trouble beating us?

Again, that's your opinion. But in my opinion he is one of the best and the fact that Arsenal got 16 points less in a season without him says a lot, especially that Vieira finished first in Serie A with his team. Even though Juventus fixed 4 games, it is very likely that they would have won at least 2 of those 4 games anyways.
Juventus were kings of Italy before Vieira arrived.


Toure is infinitely more skilled than Djemba? How can you say that, when Djemba did so well in Nantes in both French league and CL? And he also did well in African Nations Cup and World Cup in 2002.
I have seen him play, but not a lot, have you seen him play a lot?
Toure is infinitely more skilled because not only is he a fantastic holding midfielder, he can control the tempo of a game, like Pirlo. Djemba Djemba could barely control the ball, far less control the tempo of a match. He was never that good to begin with.

I wasn't comparing the two, i was saying that Kleberson was supposed to shine in EPL, but didn't and that can happen to any south american player.
Some South Americans fail in England for a reason, have you ever thought of that? You just dont make broad generalizations without thinking about why they happen. Kleberson failed here because 1, he wasnt up for the physical task, 2, he was never truly allowed to run our midfield, 3, he wasn't given a long spell in the team. Why does Heinze succeed? Because he's tough, because he's class, because hes not afraid of the tackle, because he's strong mentally. South Americans dont fail in England because they're South American, they fail because they are not compatible with the league.

Javier world class at 22? Why do you rate him so highly, it's not like he was the only reason why Argentina made it to the World Cup, in which they didn't do as good as they should. The kid didn't even play against the world's best on the regular basis yet and you already put him in the same bracket as the greatest midfielders like Gattuso, Emerson and Gerrard.
Umm, newsflash, just because Javier plays in South America, doesn't mean he doesn't come up against utter class players. Why does South American teams repeatedly own European teams when they meet? South American leagues, especially the Brazilian league(his league) has some of the best players, especially ATTACKERS on the planet. The footballing world doesnt revolve around Europe.

Heinze played a good few years at PSG against some of the world's best comparing his knowledge to Mascherano's is stupid as well.
Come up against the worlds best? In the League Orange?

If you just brought him to prove that argentinians can do well at United, well than how well did Veron did? He was a king at Lazio.
Um, Veron failed here for a reason. Veron is a type of player who needs to control a midfield, much like Riquelme. He needs to be the center of the team, was he the center of our team? Was he the center of Chelsea's team? How well would Riquelme do if he has Keane and Scholes constantly demanding the ball from him? Not very well.

How can you rate kids like Mascherano and Toure better option than Vieira right now just based on their potential?
Toure and Mascherano are anything but "kids". Ivory Coast gave Argentina and Holland absolute FITS. Who was in the midfield for Ivory Coast? Toure. Who allows Riquelme to orchestrate Argentina's attacks? Mascherano. THey're aren't some youth team, wet behind the ears players. They are players who HAVE come up against some of the best and have SHOWN their ability time and time again.

You do realize that whoever we get for that position, will be the role model for other young midfielders in our squad and what experience can Toure or Mascherano give players like Jones?
What kind of experience is Vieira gonna gave to Jones? Diving experience? How to get ****ed up by Roy Keane 101?


Buying Vieira won't guarantee us the title, but we will have a much better chance to win the 06/07 title with him, than with Mascherano.
What happens when we splash out money on Vieira and dont win the title? What then? We're stuck with a 31 year old washup, less money and more **** on the team. What happens if we dont win the title with Mascherano and or Toure? We have a midfielder who will only get better.

Mascherano never played in europe, he will be the one learning, he is no midfield general and the last thing we need right now is another young player that is still learning his ways. If you haven't noticed people begin to say that United is more and more on a decline, like i said, the last thing they need is someone who will need adapting (maybe he won't, but basing on experience from south american players going to europe, he will). We are already falling further behind Chelsea and right now we need someone that will take us and bring a few steps closers to them, so that people will again look at us with at least some fear and that's when we can start thinking about singing kids with amazing potential that in future will greatly help the club.
We are only far away from Chelsea in terms of the midfield. Bringing in Viera as opposed to Mascherano is gonna have the same effect, Chelsea will still be better than us in midfield. I'd rather have the younger player thank you. Signing players who are fantastic now, AS WELL as improving, just seems a better deal than getting someone who is good now, and declining.


The argument that fans and players hate him is really weak. Alan Smith was the MOST hated player by United 2 years ago
Wrong, I always liked Alan Smith. Patrick Vieira was the most hated player by United 2 years ago lol.

You may think that Vieira is on a decline, but looking at his WC, he is still doing pretty damn good
Its pretty easy to look damn good when you have Makelele and Zidane holding your hand in midfield.

Last time i checked world class players didn't fancy United that much and the main reason for that is that our squad is not that great RIGHT NOW, not how it's gonna be in 3-4 years, but right now.
I thought Vieira was world class? Then he must not want to play here then, oh well we'll live without him.

And who the hell are Moutinho and Manuel Fernandes? Talking about giving a huge role to 20 year old kids that just surfaced on a scene with no big experience whatsoever.

Vieira is not that old, we got a 35 year old keeper starting for us, geez.
In case you didnt notice, keepers last a lot longer than players, Seaman was still making world class saves at 37, same with Schmeichel.


I agree, this arguing is pointless. Conversation over.

Come up against the worlds best? In the League Orange?


yeah that same league that a lot of the talent was bought by a lot of the teams in the Premiership, so what's your point? Heinze learned a lot by playing in rouge et bleu. or where do you think Monaco and Lyon both with good runs on the Champion's League come from?

You are still just guessing, that based on what he showed in Serie A, he will be able to do the same in EPL. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. My point was that Gattuso is barely younger, would cost at least twice as much as Vieira and he might or might not do the job that we know Vieira will.

He probably got owned, because Wenger knows him pretty damn well, he knows how to use him and how to take him out. The whole Juventus team was outplayed by Arsenal. Fabregas might have had the last laugh in those two games, but remind me again what position Arsenal finished two years ago and what position they finished this year with Febregas who according to you is better than Vieira?

Again, that's your opinion. But in my opinion he is one of the best and the fact that Arsenal got 16 points less in a season without him says a lot, especially that Vieira finished first in Serie A with his team. Even though Juventus fixed 4 games, it is very likely that they would have won at least 2 of those 4 games anyways.


Toure is infinitely more skilled than Djemba? How can you say that, when Djemba did so well in Nantes in both French league and CL? And he also did well in African Nations Cup and World Cup in 2002.
I have seen him play, but not a lot, have you seen him play a lot?

I wasn't comparing the two, i was saying that Kleberson was supposed to shine in EPL, but didn't and that can happen to any south american player.

Javier world class at 22? Why do you rate him so highly, it's not like he was the only reason why Argentina made it to the World Cup, in which they didn't do as good as they should. The kid didn't even play against the world's best on the regular basis yet and you already put him in the same bracket as the greatest midfielders like Gattuso, Emerson and Gerrard. Heinze played a good few years at PSG against some of the world's best comparing his knowledge to Mascherano's is stupid as well. If you just brought him to prove that argentinians can do well at United, well than how well did Veron did? He was a king at Lazio.

How can you rate kids like Mascherano and Toure better option than Vieira right now just based on their potential? You are not world class until you have proven yourself against the world's best game in game out. United fans complain about always thinking for the future too much and not thinking about the present and here you are ready to give our midfield to a kid. You do realize that whoever we get for that position, will be the role model for other young midfielders in our squad and what experience can Toure or Mascherano give players like Jones?


Buying Vieira won't guarantee us the title, but we will have a much better chance to win the 06/07 title with him, than with Mascherano. Mascherano never played in europe, he will be the one learning, he is no midfield general and the last thing we need right now is another young player that is still learning his ways. If you haven't noticed people begin to say that United is more and more on a decline, like i said, the last thing they need is someone who will need adapting (maybe he won't, but basing on experience from south american players going to europe, he will). We are already falling further behind Chelsea and right now we need someone that will take us and bring a few steps closers to them, so that people will again look at us with at least some fear and that's when we can start thinking about singing kids with amazing potential that in future will greatly help the club.


And also in response to Maichal1616 aswell, what in the world makes you think that Vieira hates United very very much? I don't remember him ever coming out and saying that he hates United, in fact i remember him saying 2 years ago that he has great respect for Fergie and doesn't rule out ever playing for Manchester. The argument that fans and players hate him is really weak. Alan Smith was the MOST hated player by United 2 years ago, i remember very well, when nobody here wanted him and were talking about how he sang songs about Munich crash and blah blah blah, where is he now? Please, guys don't bring that stupid topic ever again, at least not until you explain to me how this situation is different from Smitty's.


Look, untouchable, i don't want to start any arguments here and waste pointless time, but if you think that 22 year old players like Toure and Mascherano and a better SHORT term fix for our midfield, than that's your opinion. You may think that Vieira is on a decline, but looking at his WC, he is still doing pretty damn good and for 8 million i will take him with a heartbeat, besides how do you know that Mascherano and Toure even want to play for United? Last time i checked world class players didn't fancy United that much and the main reason for that is that our squad is not that great RIGHT NOW, not how it's gonna be in 3-4 years, but right now.


And who the hell are Moutinho and Manuel Fernandes? Talking about giving a huge role to 20 year old kids that just surfaced on a scene with no big experience whatsoever. Vieira is not that old, we got a 35 year old keeper starting for us, geez.

Makes a lot of sense, you got my vote

i hope now he doesn't say he wants to go to valencia:
http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,19828022-29437,00.html

why won't valencia back-off!!

I don't think it's gonna happen, Ronaldo in Valencia colors, IF he would go to Spain then surely to Real Madrid but not even that is going to happen cause MU will not let him go I mean WTF if they would let him go then it would be Ruud and Ronaldo and Glazer/SAF know very well that this would be very bad for the team at least I hope that's how they see it and wont get blinded by the millions :rolleyes: Ruud is already gone, nothing you can do about that and SAF is certainly to blame for that no matter how you turn it cause RvN was happy there and he wanted to stay but that's that no mor Ruud. Now you need to keep this team together as much as you can and this means WITH Ronaldo, obviously there is no bad blood between Wayne and Ronny so..

And another thing to think about, there are rumours that Zambrotta might choose for Chelsea, if so why not make a move for Joe Cole? I mean he is English and he is a great player. So what that he played for Chelski, Vieira played for Arsenal too right?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/5189828.stm

man this interview tilts around everything.
fergie reluctant to let ruud leave for cheap.
so maybe he'll be asking for something above 15million.
his claim is correct that if sheva, who's almost as ruud's age can be sold for 30million then why not ruud- who has a better european record and great goalscoring capabilities be worth a huge fee?
i say 20 million if we get, we're on the moon.but better than that, if no one buys him, it'll be good that he stays

You think it's good that he stays??
I disagree, he asked himself for a transfer and the workrelationship with SAF is not good at all between them.
He doesn't want to warm up the bench any longer and he is absolutely right about that. I was strongly against selling Ruud but now that he can go to another topclub (Real or even BM) I wish him all the luck.
The askingprice is 16M at the moment, this game SAF is playing is really too ridiculous for words :nape: Let him go after all he has done for this club, he deserves to be happy somewhere else now.
IF he stays at OT I don't think most fans will take it too lightly that he considered a move do you?

i do agree with you.
its just that it is very hard to see such a goalscoring great who is as consistent as ever to leave the club.
the worrying thing is that replacements cannot be found soon.
united cannot go on a barren run that would allow chelsea to establish themselves as epl heavyweights.
but ya fergie is playing mindless games.

You are right, to tell ya the truth I can't think of anyone who can produce as much goals then him in one season :( except Klaas-Jan Huntelaar who scored even more last season but he is going nowhere :amika: cause he's our goalscoring machine in Amsterdam.
So it's very hard to find a replacement, looks like SAF cut himself in the finger this time didn't he :rolleyes:
The European topscorers are all playing elsewhere except Luca Toni, that's the only striker I could think of to produce as much goals as Ruud but still it's sad to see him go.

i hope that Torres transferhappens, that would make my day. he is one of the only guys that would help make me forget about ruud.

oh now fergie wants to sign the bas3rd vieira....a player who clearly hates manutd and has had problems with keane,Ruud and gary...united legends

f***k off... its like Arsenal signing keane/Ruud

ummm...vieira only hates ruud...he respects keane...and i dont think he ever mentioned gary ever...oh...these are facts btw...not my opinions...i just dont have links to prove them... (C)

The latest I've read is that Vieira is for 50% on his way to Internazionale, Buffon is wanted by Milan and so is Zambrotta.

SAF's explanation of our activities on the transfermarket:
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pageid=182&pagegid=%7BB4CEE8FA%2D9A47%2D47BC%2DB069%2D3F7A2F3 5DB70%7D&newsid=347290

West Bromwich Albion have shunned a second offer from Manchester United for Tomasz Kuszczak.

The Red Devils are hoping to sign the Poland international keeper to provide back-up for Edwin van der Sar next season.

An initial offer has already been rejected by The Baggies, with Bryan Robson insisting he will only sell if the price is right.

United have increased their bid for the shot-stopper, but have again been given short shrift by their former captain.

Over the weekend, Red Devils boss Sir Alex Ferguson confirmed the club are 'in the process' of bringing in Kuszczak.

But the situation appears to be dragging on, with West Brom refusing to budge from their valuation of the 24-year-old.

Baggies chairman Jeremy Peace also revealed that it was not a foregone conclusion that Kuszczak would be allowed to move to Old Trafford.

The Midlands side brought in veteran Swiss keeper Pascal Zuberbuhler, but his arrival has not signalled Kuszczak's immediate exit, with United now likely to up the ante for a third time.
:rolleyes:

omg.......

Sometimes we have to take risks to win trophies. Ronaldo impressed in one friendly and we swooped him within a week. I'm asking why we can't do so for some players, whether it being Torres, Vieira, Mascherano or whoever else? I've always thought that Rooney was a risk, Smith was a risk, Ronaldo was a risk. Well, how well have they done now?

good news that west brom rejected the offer.lets hope we dont end up with him ayways.
lets give foster,steele and howard a chance

Agreed, why spent money on a goalkeeper when it's attackers and Midfielders you need? :rolleyes:
You can get a goalkeeper next season since vdS will be the nr 1 goalkeeper for at least one more season.

ah well...seems like no ones eager to come to utd :nape:...i still have hopes for some world class signings...and i will welcome viera to utd but god damn its gonna be wierd if we sign him...i mean its gonna be more wierd to us then the nuts fans !!

But atleast he can be our short term replacement for keano...but no way in hell will he be given the 16 shirt.

Agreed, why spent money on a goalkeeper when it's attackers and Midfielders you need? :rolleyes:
You can get a goalkeeper next season since vdS will be the nr 1 goalkeeper for at least one more season.

We do need a goalkeeper, VdS is the only one left, with Howard en Foster being loaned out

yes but do we have any other options apart from the wba keeper ? cant we get back howard if we dont get the wba keeper deal ?

Sometimes we have to take risks to win trophies. Ronaldo impressed in one friendly and we swooped him within a week. I'm asking why we can't do so for some players, whether it being Torres, Vieira, Mascherano or whoever else? I've always thought that Rooney was a risk, Smith was a risk, Ronaldo was a risk. Well, how well have they done now?
Djemba Djemba was a risk. Kleberson was a risk. Miller was a risk. Well, how well have they done now?

good news that west brom rejected the offer.lets hope we dont end up with him ayways.
lets give foster,steele and howard a chance

Give Foster a chance? How? By letting him play 10 games a season in the League Cup? Steele? An inexperienced keeper with only reserve games under his belts? Howard? On loan at Everton and the one never recovered from his Porto gaff? The one who never really got back his confidence after a great debut?

Djemba Djemba was a risk. Kleberson was a risk. Miller was a risk. Well, how well have they done now?

Sometimes, risks don't pay off, but some do. :P

I think you can write of Vieira, he will be going to Inter most likely.
Zambrotta, Canna and Emerson are on their way to Madrid so who's left?? :nape:
What are they waiting for?? Untill all free players have been swooped away by other teams?? I don't understand the hesitation, all you can read about is that SAF want this player and that players but it stops there...
The fans are getting restless that's for sure.

Ruud's transfer to Real has been concluded,

I wish him the best at Real, he has been fantastic for us and I hope that he can continue is goalscoring ways in Spain,

Yes pity to see him leaving OT but I will keep following him that's for sure (Y) and I'm convinced that he will score many goals for the Galacticos as well.
Becks and Ruud reunited again I bet DB will be thrilled :)

I firmly believe that not one single player from any of the relegated Italian clubs will sign for Manchester United... I don know y i am getting this feeling.. Hope my feelin goes wrong

yes but do we have any other options apart from the wba keeper ? cant we get back howard if we dont get the wba keeper deal ?

Na.. Sorry mate one loaned player cant be called back.. We might have to impose fine for that... Dunno i am rite or not..

Hey we have spector as loan rite.. when is he coming back.. and how many of our players are on loan.

Spector has been sold to West Ham

it all depends on the loan agreement to whether he can be recalled or not, if it was specified in the deal that we can, then we can. If not i doubt we can.

you can call back a loan player when ever u feel like it

I'm guessing based on the type of players that make it here, and the type of players that fail here. Gattuso fits the type of player that makes it here, therefore I assume he will make it here. Just because Vieira was a huge success here in the past, what makes you think he will recreate that form? Does Scholes play as well as he did a few seasons back?


Arsenal didn't do anything special to beat Juventus, Juventus were just absolutely terrible. Their passing was terrible, their penetration was terrible. Arsene knows our team very well, why does he have trouble beating us?


Juventus were kings of Italy before Vieira arrived.



Toure is infinitely more skilled because not only is he a fantastic holding midfielder, he can control the tempo of a game, like Pirlo. Djemba Djemba could barely control the ball, far less control the tempo of a match. He was never that good to begin with.


Some South Americans fail in England for a reason, have you ever thought of that? You just dont make broad generalizations without thinking about why they happen. Kleberson failed here because 1, he wasnt up for the physical task, 2, he was never truly allowed to run our midfield, 3, he wasn't given a long spell in the team. Why does Heinze succeed? Because he's tough, because he's class, because hes not afraid of the tackle, because he's strong mentally. South Americans dont fail in England because they're South American, they fail because they are not compatible with the league.


Umm, newsflash, just because Javier plays in South America, doesn't mean he doesn't come up against utter class players. Why does South American teams repeatedly own European teams when they meet? South American leagues, especially the Brazilian league(his league) has some of the best players, especially ATTACKERS on the planet. The footballing world doesnt revolve around Europe.


Come up against the worlds best? In the League Orange?


Um, Veron failed here for a reason. Veron is a type of player who needs to control a midfield, much like Riquelme. He needs to be the center of the team, was he the center of our team? Was he the center of Chelsea's team? How well would Riquelme do if he has Keane and Scholes constantly demanding the ball from him? Not very well.


Toure and Mascherano are anything but "kids". Ivory Coast gave Argentina and Holland absolute FITS. Who was in the midfield for Ivory Coast? Toure. Who allows Riquelme to orchestrate Argentina's attacks? Mascherano. THey're aren't some youth team, wet behind the ears players. They are players who HAVE come up against some of the best and have SHOWN their ability time and time again.


What kind of experience is Vieira gonna gave to Jones? Diving experience? How to get ****ed up by Roy Keane 101?



What happens when we splash out money on Vieira and dont win the title? What then? We're stuck with a 31 year old washup, less money and more **** on the team. What happens if we dont win the title with Mascherano and or Toure? We have a midfielder who will only get better.


We are only far away from Chelsea in terms of the midfield. Bringing in Viera as opposed to Mascherano is gonna have the same effect, Chelsea will still be better than us in midfield. I'd rather have the younger player thank you. Signing players who are fantastic now, AS WELL as improving, just seems a better deal than getting someone who is good now, and declining.



Wrong, I always liked Alan Smith. Patrick Vieira was the most hated player by United 2 years ago lol.


Its pretty easy to look damn good when you have Makelele and Zidane holding your hand in midfield.


I thought Vieira was world class? Then he must not want to play here then, oh well we'll live without him.




In case you didnt notice, keepers last a lot longer than players, Seaman was still making world class saves at 37, same with Schmeichel.


I agree, this arguing is pointless. Conversation over.
I'm not gonna respond to all that because obviously you hate Vieira and would really like to get someone young, so nothing will change your opinion.

But few points, French league IS better than Brazilian league, i don't even remember how many times in the last 5 years we saw a brazilian team win copa libertadores. Argentinian league is better than brazilian even imo.

And again the thing with Smith being most hated player, i have no idea how you felt about him in April/May 2004, because you weren't around this forums at that time, but if you wonna know where i got the fact that he was our most hated player then feel free to take a look around these threads:
http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?t=103237&page=1&pp=15&highlight=Smith+transfer+Leeds

and
http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?t=91360&page=218&pp=15&highlight=Smith+transfer+Leeds
take a look at pages around 215-241, then you will know what i was talking about, if you still think that Vieira was always our most hated player.

dazmanias right...it all depends on what kind of an agreement there is between the 2 clubs...like you can agree that the player you've loaned out can't play against you...

One player that definitely needs to return to OT is David Jones, he was on a loan to NEC last year and he was awesome :o Best player of the team and scoring goals so why not? He'll be great on midfield (Y)

And again the thing with Smith being most hated player, i have no idea how you felt about him in April/May 2004, because you weren't around this forums at that time, but if you wonna know where i got the fact that he was our most hated player then feel free to take a look around these threads:
http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?t=103237&page=1&pp=15&highlight=Smith+transfer+Leeds

and
http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?t=91360&page=218&pp=15&highlight=Smith+transfer+Leeds
take a look at pages around 215-241, then you will know what i was talking about, if you still think that Vieira was always our most hated player.
How does some people on soccergaming forum reflect what millions of Manchester United fans think? I and many other United fans liked Smith ever since he broke into the Leeds side.

I'm just shocked and angered how quick some people are ready to kneel down and suck dick in some kind of hope that the title will come back here. Everyone wants to "compete" with Chelsea, when we should be focusing on doing what WE have to do. We will never "compete" with Chelsea, they have infinite money, endless talent and the most talented manager in the planet, trying to go head on with them is pointless. We fell short last season by AGAIN dropping points in stupid places and in stupid ways.

Losing to Chelsea two times in a season wont stop us from winning the title if we consistently beat the teams we are SUPPOSED to beat. SIgning players like Mascherano and Toure will help us do that. Signing Vieira might help us do that, but with Mascherano and Toure we have players who are on the UP, not on the decline. Can't you see that? This is not fifa, you have to think. We dont have the money chelsea have, why friggin waste our money on putrid, old ex Arsenal players, when we can lace our squad with young talent? I rather lose the title this season and win it 3 times after that, than win it this season then have to go through ANOTHER "transition period" where we miss out.

there are rumours that we're looking to loan him, which means we wouldn't be wasting much money at all.

But few points, French league IS better than Brazilian league, i don't even remember how many times in the last 5 years we saw a brazilian team win copa libertadores. Argentinian league is better than brazilian even imo. Sao Paulo won it last year in an all Brazilian final and in the last 7 editions of the Copa Libertadores, a Brazilian team has made it to the final 5 times. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Yes, the Argentinian league is probably better but the Brazilian league is right behind it in terms of quality, they're both equally competitive IMO.

I'd also take Mascherano in a hearbeat, Viera would be a good addtion but he'd only be a stop gap at this point in his career. I'd rather we pick up a longterm solution RIGHT NOW while the likes of Mascherano, Toure, and possibly Diarra are still available, I still can't believe we missed out on Zokora who only cost Spurs 7 million. Considering how the club's finances are at the moment, he would have been a very good addition to the team at a pretty reasonable price.