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Manchester United Squad 2006/07

Manager
Sir Alex Ferguson

Squad
1 - Edwin van der Sar
2 - Gary Neville (c)
3 - Patrice Evra
4 - Gabriel Iván Heinze
5 - Rio Ferdinand
6 - Wes Brown
7 - Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aveiro (Cristiano Ronaldo)
8 - Wayne Rooney
9 - Louis Saha
10 -
11 - Ryan Giggs
12 -
13 - Park Ji-Sung
14 - Alan Smith
15 - Nemanja Vidic (VIDDDIIIICCCCC!!!!!!!!!!)
16 - Michael Carrick
17 - Henrik Larsson
18 - Paul Scholes
19 - Giuseppe Rossi
20 - Ole Gunnar Solskjær
21 -
22 - John O'Shea
23 - Kieran Richardson
24 - Darren Fletcher
25 -
26 - Phillip Bardsley
27 - Mikaël Silvestre
28 - Gerard Piqué Bernabéu (Piqué)
29 - Tomasz Kuszczak
30 - Luke Steele
31 -
32 -
33 -
34 -
35 -
36 -
37 - Kenny Cooper
38 -
39 -
40 -
41 - Floribert N'Galula
42 -
44 - Adam Eckersley
45 - David Fox
46 - Lee Martin
47 - Jonny Evans
48 - Thomas Lee
49 - Ritchie Jones
50 - Darron Gibson

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Manchester United Club Honours

League Championship 1908, 1911, 1952, 1956, 1957, 1965, 1967, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003

FA Cup 1909, 1948, 1963, 1977, 1983, 1985, 1990, 1994, 1996, 1999, 2004

Football League Cup 1992, 2006

European Cup 1968, 1999

European Cup Winners' Cup 1991

European Super Cup 1991

Intercontinental Cup 1999

FA Community Shield(formally the FA Charity Shield) 1908, 1911, 1952, 1956, 1957, 1965*, 1967*, 1977*, 1983, 1990*, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003 (*as joint holders)



FC United Of Manchester
A club that was created by anti-Glazer Manchester United supporters to bring others like them together. Ben (shokz) with his definition:



http://www.fcunited.co.uk/
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Give the site a try. Buy their jerseys instead of MUFC's. The money goes to the club and not to American bastards.

special thanks to shokz, Fernandez...

First post. :bob:


It's weird seeing that roster with an empty "16" spot...

second POST!

Third Post... I agree we need to get someone to wear that 16 back.
It's probably going to be as important as 7.


It quite funny when people say we should buy the stars of the WC.
In our club, we have 3 players left in the WC.

Fans have constantly called for sale of 2 of them, while the 3rd wants to leave.

4th post!! well one of the 3 of them hasnt played yet (silves)...and two of them arent gonna play in the final (saha - 2 yellow cards)... :alex:

I doubt Saha would've played any major roles anyways..
It fills me with joy that we could potentially welcome back two world champions

Then I remembered what happened to our last world champion... (:/)

Do players get a medal even if they don't make the team ,Silvestre and Boumsong would be the most undeserving world cup winners if France win.

not even a defensive in the roster. this really worry me :(

Let's just hope that this season turns out well

Interesting news:
http://www.teamtalk.com/football/news/0,16370,1778,00.html

read in some site...4thegame i think...that ruud might be in good terms with alex n ronaldo might indeed go to madrid...what u guys think?

I don't think it would be a loss for United if CR went to Madrid.

If I had to choose between Ruud and CR, I'd choose the Dutchman anytime.

Why is this thread the 'official' manchester united thread? did you get a license from man utd to make the thread official?

That Lippi talk is pretty interesting, I don't think he'd want to stay as a director for a long time so this could be Fergies last season...


There are also some talks about we chasing Tomasz Kuszczak of WBA :|

this month n next month is a crucial time to look for a player....hope united do sign 2 or 3 players

Kuszcak (H) Wasnt that that moron who let in that hilarious goal during Poland-Colombia before the WC?

Do players get a medal even if they don't make the team ,Silvestre and Boumsong would be the most undeserving world cup winners if France win.

Silvestre did help France to a 2-0 win over Togo.

15 - Nemanja Vidic (VIDDDIIIICCCCC!!!!!!!!!!)

(H)

What?

i supports man utd

How old are you?

The thread is 2 pages old and we already have someone that supports both us and chelsea... yay!


Wouldnt mind Lippi coming, would be interesting to see how well SAF work with someone that actually knows what he is doing.

This could also work in our favour to sign some Italian players!

How old are you? 21

21


ok then pashi.welcome to SG.
wierd that you support both man utd and chelski.

"Bhagwan ke Liye kuch bhi aisa mat karna jisse Bharat ka hijat ka bhosda ho jaye.Koi bhi ek team ko support kar .varna yahn ke log tumhe jeene nahin denge"
ENjoy ur stay.

Some Spanish Sky Sports guy just said that it's basically down to Torres whether and where he moves. He's also said that it would be a dream come true to work with Sir Alex Ferguson and play alongside Wayne Rooney.

:D

I wouldnt mind Torres coming, but not sure if he's built for it.

Also, IF RVN stays, a forward isnt top of our priority..
Lets hope we have money to get the ppl we need as well..

Some Spanish Sky Sports guy just said that it's basically down to Torres whether and where he moves. He's also said that it would be a dream come true to work with Sir Alex Ferguson and play alongside Wayne Rooney.

:D

was ity guillem balagaue or however its spelt, cos hes normamly pretty spot on with his knowledge of behind the scenes stuff in spain.

Well, the club has denied the Lippi talk so that much for that...then again, we've seen a lot of these "dissmissings" in the past.

http://home.skysports.com/worldcup/article.aspx?hlid=401460&CPID=4&clid=119&lid=13&title=United+dismiss+Lippi+talk

was ity guillem balagaue or however its spelt, cos hes normamly pretty spot on with his knowledge of behind the scenes stuff in spain.
yep thats the guy


Balague said:
"Torres said to his friends that he'd like to know which part of Manchester is the best one to live but that's nothing to do with a deal being done yet. There is no deal being done.

"He wants to move on. He knows that Atletico Madrid have invested lots of money in Sergio Aguero, about €26million euros. He's a 17-year-old Argentinian from Independiente, who is a forward as well.

"I think Atletico Madrid and Fernando Torres have sort of agreed that as long as Fernando Torres says 'It is me who is moving' that Atletico Madrid will be happy to let him go.

"It will be a difficult situation for Atletico Madrid to deal with but of course if they get €30million (£20m) they will be happy to deal with it.

"Fernando Torres doesn't want to go to Italy. He would love to go to the Premiership and more than that, he will privately admit that Manchester United is the club he would like to join to play along with Rooney, maybe Cristiano Ronaldo, maybe not, but the rest of the team, and of course being with Sir Alex Ferguson.

"In his words - this would be a dream for him."

I hope Torres is waiting for Milan's Calciopoli scandal thing ;):D

TBH, I see him at Man Utd.. :(

"Fernando Torres doesn't want to go to Italy."

:p

I've read today that SAF is expecting RvN on the first training on the 24th of July along side with van der Sar who then returns. I'm getting confused here is he leaving or is he staying and if he leaves to what team? Bayern Munich or AC Milan but if Milan relegates... so going to be very exciting in the weeks to come :| I like the new kit btw, the simplicity and the collar look nice, I will definitely order this shirt but the sponsorlogo like most ppl say...give me Vodafone anyday :$

I hope Ruud and Ronaldo comes back and we sign at LEAST 2 GOOD defensive minded midfielders. This would make the summer a success.

Gattusso, Riquelme. Thats IT. we have great wingers in richardson,giggs,ronaldo

Ruud, Rooney, Saha, Rossi makes up a edadly attack which was proved thiss eason.

plus smudge will be back soon or later

cant wait for smith to get back. the guy is a god in my book. still waiting for the 14th to see if that report is true or not lol. the team is lookin real strong, i hope SAF can make the right moves in the transfer market to build up our central midfield. i will have a good feeling going into this new season if he does.

PS 33rd :P

Gattusso, Riquelme. Thats IT.
They've both snubbed us.

They've both snubbed us.

Gattuso didn't but it depends on Milan, only Riquelme did

Gattuso already did.

Gattuso Wants To Stay With Milan Italy star Gennaro Gattuson has vowed to stay with AC Milan and wants to finish his career with the Italian giants, who are involved in the Serie A match-fixing scandal.

Milan could be relegated to Serie B as a result of the crisis, but will be lifted by Gattuso's pledge to stay with the club in the wake of speculation that Manchester United are keen on the tough midfielder.

"I am certain that I will remain at AC Milan and that I will play in Serie A next season," said Gattuso.

"If this doesn't happen, then I will talk to the club and hope to remain and finish my career at Milan."

He added: "The press can write whatever they want.

"At this point, I cannot think of another club wanting me or anything else but Sunday's final.

"This game is bigger than myself, I have never expected to be able to play a World Cup final, so all my energy is directed at this."



btw why do people keep on saying Torres doesnt want to come to Italy? This guy has been publicly mentioned by a Milan official that Milan have been following him since he was 17 and he's been linked with Milan long before linked with you guys. I dont think suddenly he doesnt want to join us ;)

Another thing, you always keep reading Milan bid so much less than Man Utd, but actually, Atletico owe Milan €17m from previous transfers. So actually the value of the bid is the same.

Whatever it is, Im not confident on getting him anymore though. But how are you going to keep him and Ruud?

Most big players will "snub" transfer rumours...
Only Ronaldo is desperate/naive/stupid enough to confirm them.. and risking getting trapped in the middle when the transfer dont go to plan..

Confirming transfer rumours before it being a done deal is like telling your boss you are going out for an interview... :alex:

I dont recall Ronaldo ever admitting he wants to leave. All he said was "Yes, its true Real want me" something like that.

Gattusso, Riquelme. Thats IT. we have great wingers in richardson,giggs,ronaldo

err...no

I'd like to see how Torres fares playing at United, it'd be intresting.

I still think it will be 1 more year to try and finish high with Atletico, and then go to England.

ruud will probably stay along with ronaldo.

if ac milan,juventus get relegated which they will according to reports, what is the likelyhood chelsea snapping up most of the "world class" players from us and arsenal and co.?

Good news. We're trying to sign Kuszczak. good player.

from bbc.co.uk/sport
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Man Utd eye WBA's keeper Kuszczak
Manchester United have contacted West Brom to express an interest in goalkeeper Tomasz Kuszczak, according to the Baggies manager Bryan Robson. But Robson insisted no bid had yet been received for the 26-year-old, who joined West Brom in summer 2004 on a free transfer from Hertha Berlin.

"Manchester United have an interest but that's as far as it's gone," he said.

"If they make us a big offer we would have to balance it up. We'd have to see whether it would be a good move."

Robson insisted any offer would be considered on the basis of whether "the package is right and whether Tomasz Kuszczak wants to move to Manchester United".

But he added: "Before we do that, Manchester United would have to make an offer which would be acceptable to us."

With Edwin van der Sar approaching 36, Sir Alex Ferguson may see Kuszczak as a long-term replacement.

He was a member of Poland's squad at this year's World Cup in Germany, and has been given an extra week off by Robson before he has to return to The Hawthorns for pre-season training.

The ****? We have Foster coming up......WE NEED MIDFIELDERS FERGUSON MIDFIELDERS@@@@ :s***:

exactly...havent seen him play n i dont think he is a very highly rated keeper...i do hope ruud and ronaldo stay....a DM and a CM would be enough imo...we have scholes who can be creative.

The worryin thing is SAF hasnt been that gr8 in the transfer market lately so my fingers r crossed :rolleyes:

Good news. We're trying to sign Kuszczak. good player.


Good news? Even if we buy him, we'll still have only 13818 goalkeepers :(

We need to plan for the future. Howard may leave for Everton or somewhere else after the loan. VDS is 36 and will retire soon. That leaves Ben Foster, a player who is not premiership class yet and may well not fulfill his potential.

Makes perfect sense that we buy a player, who plays for the national team and has Premiership experience. He is 26 so there's definitely room for improvement.

From what I've seen he is arguably the best player in that West Brom team. We're lucky that we have Robson there to help strike a deal for us. West Brom probably needs to the money so I believe it's a good deal. Even if Kuzcuzcak turns out to be not good enough as our number 1 keeper, he'll still be the perfect #2 keeper.

Quote:Originally Posted by VanTheMan
Gattusso, Riquelme. Thats IT. we have great wingers in richardson,giggs,ronaldo

err...no

i can understan dmany people see him not yet a class man utd player.
but last season was almost a full seasn for him and he shopwed great potential. if he is played on the left wing where he is suited, then give him 1 more season, he'll be class.

Maybe Kuszczak will be the number 2. Foster might be better served remaining with Watford for a season, regular playing time in the Premiership would be more benificial to him.



Mike

Gattuso didn't but it depends on Milan, only Riquelme did

My bad I just read the article

i can understan dmany people see him not yet a class man utd player.
but last season was almost a full seasn for him and he shopwed great potential. if he is played on the left wing where he is suited, then give him 1 more season, he'll be class.

i don't think fergie see that. may be he still think he can be a decent left wing back :|

hopefully with heinze, silvestre, evra and oshea, we wont need richardson to play left back!!

As for keeper, lets just get buffon :junior:

UNITED EYE SAHIN SWOOP

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/manchesterunited/s/217/217580_united_eye_sahin_swoop.html


i always buy this guy on FM :p

hopefully with heinze, silvestre, evra and oshea, we wont need richardson to play left back!!

As for keeper, lets just get buffon :junior:

Don't make me laugh, van der Sar is a better keeper than Buffon :junior:

the worlds favourite portuguese twinkie wants to quit (no surprise there - the f*cker has lost anyway)

he stays: gets ripped appart by Rooney, the Opposition Teams, Fans and the Media (well the last ones really s*ck)

he goes: unloyal unthankful insert whatever you want here.

Personally I disliked him since I saw him on Eurosport some years ago at a youth tournament, already then flashy, egoistic but skilled player and already then he was whining and moaning with the ref.

Anyway 20M £ should be in it (3 yrs Contract to run) so Aaron Lennon anyone ?!
and the number 7 should be passed to no other than Mr Rooney himself.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/5120332.stm
Looks that he's gone for sure. Hope we get a lot of money out of this transfer and sign 2 worldclass midfielders and a winger if possible. If we dont get a new winger, its probably gonna be Park on the right and Giggs on the left. Lets hope we dont have injuries otherwise we'll have to play Richardson and/or Fletcher :(

EDIT: Looks like we won't get Lennon this season since he said that he'll stay in Spurs next season. And Riberry's probably gonna go to Lyon... :nape: What other options do we have? :(

i think c.ronaldo has mad a great decsion 4 himself and i think he wil do very well in spain he is a ____ many words i could use :s***: but if we need extra money this is it.now we can aim very high,players that play RM i beleive that position is what brought sucess not wingers,players i would like to see on sir alex shortlist are riquelme,mascherano,Deisler,Sneijder,diarra,Schwei nsteiger,vicente,torres,carrick,any italaians on the cheap,and a player i would love to see come lennon,we really need to get goin in the market as chelsea have brought in about 5 players and arsenal have brought in a very gd player in rosicky so come on fergie

Jesus Navas from Sevilla would be a good buy or maybe even Daniel Alves just to piss off Liverpool. :p

alves really impressive for sevilla last seaon but i think it is just like buying another c.ronaldo but with less quility but i think we sould still buy him just to piss of liverpool

How about a swap Ronaldo <-> Beckham :junior:

its time for Ronaldo to get out of here. He is wasting his talent with his bitchy attitude and mentality, his fate does not lie in England.

Let Evra rediscover his winger talents.

Ronaldo to Real for Beckham and CASH!

I'd rather he get stuck in our reserves than sell him for anything less than 25 million pounds.

If we can get Lennon for less than what we paid for Ronaldo, it would be a great solution. Tbh, I hope Cristiano really reconsiders. If we get like 30 million or something like that (which Real Madrid might do), we can get like 5-6 players from the scandal.

I can't see us really getting a good price for C.Ronaldo.... the whole world knows he wants to leave...

I guess we can always tie him down and say a big "f you" for being disloyal :junior:

TBH, I wouldn't mind Becks back... but not sure if SAF will ever allow that while he's still boss.

Lennon: 'I'm really happy now at Spurs. I'll definitely be there next season.'

aslong SAF is here there will be no way "Beck" to make it read as a newspaper headline.

Well, things change - Lennon will definetly be at ManUtd next Season...Spurs got him on the cheap (around 1 or 2 Million £) they have still around 12+ midfielders and if Utd comes with 10M+ £ he'll join us, I'm sure.

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Ruud wants to go and is forced to do so aswell by SAF
Ronaldo wants to go
Evra/Tweety/Giggs should go aswell
Still a gaping hole in the midfield...

I'd like to see that XI

--------VanDerSar-------
G.Neville-Rio*-Vidic*-Heinze (*or Brown)
Lennon---X----X-----Park
-------Rooney-Smith----- (Rossi & Saha)

Lennon: 'I'm really happy now at Spurs. I'll definitely be there next season.'
If Ferguson comes calling with 15 million, he will change his mind quick

This is the best situation for you guys, trust me. You can cash in on him after a good world cup when his value is sky high and get an Aaron Lennon (see: tough, fast, english winger who hasnt honed his game for European play) for much less

Ronaldo again has indicated he doesn't want to be at United anymore:

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=401723&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=&title=Ronaldo+confirms:+I+want+out

He claims United showed him no support - Well publicly declaring intent to go to Madrid is hardly likey to elicit any is it?

I'd like to see Frank Ribery at United, I've been impressed by his performances in the latter stages of the WC. Maybe we should even give Chris Eagles a run on the right wing. Aaron Lennon is a good player and I'd be happy to see him join but I imagine Spurs will not want to release him.
Bastian Schweinsteiger impressed me too, but I seriously doubt we could get him from Bayern.



Mike

Ribery would be nice, maybe Silvestre and Saha can put in some good words!

Btw, am I the only one relieved that Saha made it through an internation competition for France without getting injured?

Let Evra rediscover his winger talents.

Err, I thought Evra is our left-back? I rather have Giggs, Park or Richardson as a left winger.

I think unless Heinze suffers another shocking injury, he'll be our permanent left-back..

Gary, Rio and Heinze are probably certainty in the the lineup, with probably Brown, Vidic and Silvestre fighting for the last spot..

I think unless Heinze suffers another shocking injury, he'll be our permanent left-back..


Sure, but I still don't get what hopeunited was thinking about when he said that Evra should "rediscover his winger talents", we have enough wingers on the left and well...you don't play left-back as a right winger.

well if he is leaving, its certainly a loss for us....but i am sure we can make the best out of it. We can from the money buy 2 world class DMs...we will need a keeper but i am not sure that WBA keeper is our solution but lookin at the circumstances, its a good deal....cmon SAF, get some midfielders plz

Giggs probably wont be able to player week-in week out, and Park works hard, but isnt really starting 11 quality.

Having said that, I agree we should not use our left back as a right winger.. maybe he was thinking of using Evra as a left winger?

Anyhow, considering we've had more than enough examples of our defenders playing in midfield... i am not so certain that evra will stay as a defender...

well if he is leaving, its certainly a loss for us....but i am sure we can make the best out of it. We can from the money buy 2 world class DMs...we will need a keeper but i am not sure that WBA keeper is our solution but lookin at the circumstances, its a good deal....cmon SAF, get some midfielders plz

Unfortunately, we'll also need a new RM... and I am sure SAF have not been doing any research for a new RM, so I am sensing a rush buy ... flip of a coin stuff, so lets hope we get it right...

yeah..but i think SAF will play park on the right if dont get any RMs..this cud be our lineup

VDS

Gary-Rio-Brown/vidic-Heinze

Park-scholes-fletcher-giggs

rooney

RVN (hopefully)

What is so tragic about the whole episode is that Cristiano is without doubt, one of the most exciting and talented players United has had. I loved to watch his dazzling footwork and great trickery (so much so that I failed to see the fact he was a bit too selfish and dived a bit) He became my favourite United player from the moment he stepped onto the pitch against Bolton three short years ago.

Over these few months I began to see the flaws, but it was the constant links with Real Madrid and his refusal to deny them that began to worry me. I wanted Ronaldo to shine in the World Cup, but as the summer wore on, Ronaldo again indicated he saw his future elsewhere. Then came THE incident, and in that moment I saw clearly all his faults - the diving, the whining and complaining and to cap it off he again said he was considering leaving United. That's when my sympathy and support died.

The thing is there's still a small part of me that wants him to stay with United, but mostly I'm upset at his lack of loyalty and faith in United and it's fans. This is the club I've been loyal to for 22 odd years and it burns me up when players can't show it respect. I was angry and upset when Beckham left, although in hindsight I don't think he had a choice. Ronaldo appears to have made his decision alone, using his new found infamy is a convenient excuse.

Unfortunately I think the loss of Ronaldo will further destabilise any title challenge and will also damage further any chance of top players coming here.

As always it's the club and it's fans that lose.



Mike

i agree mate...but hopefully we will sign some top talent otherwise its gonna be tough considering the transfer moves chelski and the nuts have made already...do u think maniche might be the one SAF might go after ?...yes they wont let him go for us but hey...its worth a try...the guy will literally be able to cook on the bench for chelski !

Cristiano Ronaldo wants to quit Old Trafford but Wayne Rooney has urged him to stay, saying there will be no afters from their World Cup bust-up. (Various)

Sir Alex Ferguson is in Berlin to size up Italy duo Gennaro Gattuso and Andrea Pirlo - the Man Utd boss also has his eye on Owen Hargreaves. (Sunday Mirror)

Ruud van Nistelrooy will be told he has no future at Manchester United this week. (Sunday Mirror)

Manchester United will allow Ruud van Nistelrooy to join Real Madrid for £16m. (Mail on Sunday)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/5120332.stm


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it seems the writing was on the wall.
ronaldo wants to go. It could have all been planned from the start too. cause when he messed up with rooney, claims about him to real were being made since a week before that incident.
Next, he makes matter worse by diving disgracefully in front of the ref. losing more supporters.
if that prick wants to go now, he can f*ck off.

about Ruud, i think united will be in a HUGE loss if he goes. He linked up well with either Saha or Rooney.

If real do get ruud and ronaldo, I think their future's gonna change greatly.

about fergie being in berlin, gattusso and pirlo would be class for United.

mixed stories today :confused:

Maniche impressed me, he's got a good shot on him too. I think he's back in Moscow now as he was only loaned to Chelski. I'd love to see Javier Mascherano arrive as well, the ideal DM. AM won't be the problem so much if Scholsey can recapture his form.

Read today that Villareal's Marcos Senna might be a United target though.



Mike

not sure about Maniche. couldnt find his feet in the few lot of games he played in the EPL.
Gattusso and Pirlo would be the BEST buys for United this season. they are proven class.
If ronaldo does leave, then United should go for Lennon or Shweinsteiger-he has been class for Bayern too .
Lennon would be the first option . and it's best for him to come to United where he would be best treated by fergie's youth development system.
A bid of around 10m can lure him away seeing that spurs also aint in the champion's league.

I don't think Spurs would sell Lennon for any less than Everton sold Rooney for. He is very young, very talented and very English. I also can't see Shweinsteiger leaving Bayern any time soon, why should Bayern sell him and why should he want to come here?

I don't think Spurs would sell Lennon for any less than Everton sold Rooney for. He is very young, very talented and very English. I also can't see Shweinsteiger leaving Bayern any time soon, why should Bayern sell him and why should he want to come here?


Exactly, we can't attract players anymore. Even Simao is coveted by Chelski according to todays papers. This has to be a major concern - in fact it looks like we're even in danger of becoming a selling club, seen as a middle step by players in order to play for Milan, Madrid or Barcelona. This has not been an encouraging summer for United, and it's showing little signs of improving either.


Mike

I think SAF's handling of past loyal players are starting to bite him... To be honest, we have not been very good to those players (Becks, Keane, Stam, Butt, Phil)... or new recruits that didnt do well (Veron, Kleberson, Djemba)... it just doesnt make our club all that attractive for players thinking about their well-being ...

Football brand wise, we definitely don't play the most attractive football in the league, and our successes are limited ... when was the last time you heard outsiders praise our team for playing beautiful football over a season? When was the last time you heard us praised for our successes? Heck, when was the last time we had positive coverage in the press? All of our press have been negative recently (Glazer, RVN, Ronaldo, Rooney's injury & our handling of it, sacking of a loyal long-server team doctor, failure to catch up to Chelsea, failing to progress in the CL) ... not at all a good brand..

Money-wise we can't compete with Chelsea ...

We need to start playing more attractive football, and show abit more concern for our players and focus our $$$ on selected few first-team players rather than constantly wasting it on squad players.

Its time to evolve to 21 century.. we have to stop relying on our past successes .. it may work in marketing, but for those in the know (eg players), we need to prove our worth ..

The English media got what they wanted, getting Ronaldo out and directly hurting ManU. Rooney's foul was clear with the ref sitting on his nose to look at the incident from the best seat in the house, but there is only one to blame according to the English and that's Ronaldo. That's trully nonsense. The media seem to forget that on these tournaments you are rather 'enemies' then teammates on the pitch. The whole incident is Rooney's own fault and he should be the one to blame for making such a stupid foul with the ref standing next to him. But there is only one victim after this and that's Ronaldo.

I am not dissapointed in the players, but in the media, and I can't blame Ronaldo for leaving us if especially the media in England are acting very childish. Even the friendly headbutting situation at the start of the match was blown out of proportion. Ronaldo is a great talent and he will be a big lose for us (if he goes). He was starting to be very bitchy, but that doesn't take away that he could become a great player for us and for the world, he is still young and in time he will stop acting like a fool and from that moment on we would even see a better Ronaldo, he is just a kid in the football world and it is logical for him to be a bit gready on the pitch at times and doing his stuff with the ball to entertain us and others.

I think with Ronaldo's departure, a very bad precedence is set.
Just watch Euro 08, I hope no EPL-based foreigner is responsible (well scapegoat-ed) for knocking England out, because chances are, there will be another media uproar and forcing the player out.

This could potentially happen every 2 years! Unless either:
1. McClaren works wonders and England wins Euro 08/WC 12
2. English press learns how to behave..

I wouldn't put my money on either ... tho 1 is probably much more likely..

if wat the media said is true...then ronaldo will be the 1st player to put disgrace on no. 7... :-puke: SAF gave him the no. 7 for a reason....

The English media got what they wanted, getting Ronaldo out and directly hurting ManU. Rooney's foul was clear with the ref sitting on his nose to look at the incident from the best seat in the house, but there is only one to blame according to the English and that's Ronaldo. That's trully nonsense. The media seem to forget that on these tournaments you are rather 'enemies' then teammates on the pitch. The whole incident is Rooney's own fault and he should be the one to blame for making such a stupid foul with the ref standing next to him. But there is only one victim after this and that's Ronaldo.

I am not dissapointed in the players, but in the media, and I can't blame Ronaldo for leaving us if especially the media in England are acting very childish. Even the friendly headbutting situation at the start of the match was blown out of proportion. Ronaldo is a great talent and he will be a big lose for us (if he goes). He was starting to be very bitchy, but that doesn't take away that he could become a great player for us and for the world, he is still young and in time he will stop acting like a fool and from that moment on we would even see a better Ronaldo, he is just a kid in the football world and it is logical for him to be a bit gready on the pitch at times and doing his stuff with the ball to entertain us and others.


I agree to some extent, but Ronaldo was already maneuvering his way out of United before the England Portugal game. He admitted being in contact with Villar-Mir. Only when Villar-Mir lost the election did Ronaldo reaffirm his position with United. Now Capello is making the right noises suddenly he wants to leave again. He cited his reason was United failing to support him. That's total rubbish, Fergie appeared on MUTV to assure everyone that he had no problems - United would stand by any of their players as they did with Eric and Becks - and they will with Rooney. Not to mention the total support United gave him with his father's passing and the rape allegations. That smacks of seeking reasons to leave to me. And any player who isn't 100% committed to United shouldn't be there. Ronaldo isn't committed - so get rid for good money, £20M is derisory.


Mike

Well looking back, our last number 7 didn't exactly go out on glorious terms...

If you are willing to kick one of the your most loyal player out, you have to accept being shafted by one of your most prized assets.

The English media got what they wanted, getting Ronaldo out and directly hurting ManU. Rooney's foul was clear with the ref sitting on his nose to look at the incident from the best seat in the house, but there is only one to blame according to the English and that's Ronaldo. That's trully nonsense. The media seem to forget that on these tournaments you are rather 'enemies' then teammates on the pitch. The whole incident is Rooney's own fault and he should be the one to blame for making such a stupid foul with the ref standing next to him. But there is only one victim after this and that's Ronaldo.

I am not dissapointed in the players, but in the media, and I can't blame Ronaldo for leaving us if especially the media in England are acting very childish. Even the friendly headbutting situation at the start of the match was blown out of proportion. Ronaldo is a great talent and he will be a big lose for us (if he goes). He was starting to be very bitchy, but that doesn't take away that he could become a great player for us and for the world, he is still young and in time he will stop acting like a fool and from that moment on we would even see a better Ronaldo, he is just a kid in the football world and it is logical for him to be a bit gready on the pitch at times and doing his stuff with the ball to entertain us and others.

100% agree. Let me be the first to tell that i would rather prefer Ronaldo at Old Trafford than in Madrid. I guess some ppl got what they wanted with this witch hunt. With all the crap he´s taking you wanted what, that he would just neglect this and the lack of support and continue happy? In all this situation i didn´t see a single Man Utd fan besides Ladylover analyze things with some perspective. Look i didn´t want to crucify Rooney but he was the secondary culprit in all this affair. The first being the media. The "headbutt" incident...anyone with some intelligence would understand that it was a friendly headbutt, something stupid kids do to each other. Didn´t you see him and Ronaldo talking and laughing at each other when they were entering the pitch? Everything was blown out of proportion. Let me say that i saw Ronaldo´s interview last night and he said that he´s leaving cause he´s not wanted in England, had no support from Manchester United in all this affair and because of the witch hunt by the media. There are no condition for Ronaldo to remain in England. I´m not talking about Manchester, if he were to return to Old Trafford thing would eventually get sorted but there´s way too much at risk. Anyways i hope both parties can get the best from this deal and that Manchester Utd can build a team using Rooney as primary reference. Good luck.

I agree to some extent, but Ronaldo was already maneuvering his way out of United before the England Portugal game. He admitted being in contact with Villar-Mir. Only when Villar-Mir lost the election did Ronaldo reaffirm his position with United. Now Capello is making the right noises suddenly he wants to leave again. He cited his reason was United failing to support him. That's total rubbish, Fergie appeared on MUTV to assure everyone that he had no problems - United would stand by any of their players as they did with Eric and Becks - and they will with Rooney. Not to mention the total support United gave him with his father's passing and the rape allegations. That smacks of seeking reasons to leave to me. And any player who isn't 100% committed to United shouldn't be there. Ronaldo isn't committed - so get rid for good money, £20M is derisory.


Mike

Pure speculation Mike, nothing but that. You can´t claim that with such certainty. I saw his interviews on the portuguese TV and before this incident, he always said that he was happy in Manchester and that if it was to happen any deal, Real would have to talk to United. Even after the incident he denied that he was having any problem with Rooney, with things blowing completely out of proportion then he admitted that he wouldn´t have any conditions to remain because he was being forced out.

Even tho Ronaldo might've been organising his way out prior to the WC, you have to admit what he said about us not giving him any support is true and his reason for leaving is justified.

Well that goes one of the most exciting talent we had since Giggs... we'll need to start building our team around rooney, just like England... SAF to be part of the England Staff? :junior:

It is hard enough to become league champs in the comin' season, but with Ronaldo (almost) out that task will only become harder. We are in a rebuilding proces and that will take a few more years. But Ronaldo was a very important piece in that proces and the media knew that, they just wanted to hurt us and it worked. Ronaldo didn't chop Rooney's foot off and planted it into Carvalho's nuts, it was all Rooney's doing, even if he did mean it or not. I totally understand Ronaldo for making this choice.

the thing is that ronaldo has a big mouth at a tender age.
he attempts to overact and become a media celebrity.
he should have kept his mouth shut untill the preseason begins to actually find out how much he is wanted or not

the thing is that ronaldo has a big mouth at a tender age.
he attempts to overact and become a media celebrity.
he should have kept his mouth shut untill the preseason begins to actually find out how much he is wanted or not

I am sure that ManU wants him to stay and I think he wants to stay too, but the media in England is making it impossible, they are making him the enemy, whilst it is their own player whom deserved the red card and I am sure that the ref wasn't influenced by Ronaldo or any other Portugal player. But the fact is England got knocked out and instead of questioning the quality of their team they wanted to blame someone for getting England knocked out, it isn't like England was going to win WC, they just aren't good enough, or Sven wasn't the right coach for them, but the media is blind to see that and now it sounds like Ronaldo is the cause of England playing like crap.

It is a pity if Ronaldo leaves, but if I was in the same situation at a club, I would leave too, no matter how big the love for the club. But like so many times we are being victims of any possible situation and the media saw an oppertunity to hurt us again.

you have to admit what he said about us not giving him any support is true and his reason for leaving is justified.


Actually this is the only part that I DON'T agree with...

Anyway...
http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/tm_objectid=17350480&method=full&siteid=93463&headline=-pound-16m-ruud-is-the-real-deal--name_page.html
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/sport/football/tm_objectid=17350685&method=full&siteid=62484&headline=time-is-running-out-for-ruud-name_page.html
http://www.worldcuplatest.com/holland-man-utds-ruud-van-nistelrooy-lin-4260.html
http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=4017
If Ruud and Ronaldo both leave, I'll be very, very, veeery worried :)

Edit- looks like our problems are getting solved and we'll get a player who is more than capable of replacing Ruud, Ronaldo and Keane... Link (http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=344411&itype=466&icategoryid=120)

If Ruud and Ronaldo both leave, I'll be very, very, veeery worried :)

Yeah me too, the whole Ruud thing was our own staff's fault, but for Ronaldo it is a true shame and we can't do anything about it. But let's hope that players such as Eagles or Lee Martin stand up in this situation and become a very good player for us. But with the potential transfer money we can get for these players we can be in a very comfortable situation for getting players and bidding more for them, such as Joaquin.

I have a horrible feeling that Fergie won't buy to replace Ronaldo. I think he'll give his love child Darren Fletcher the RM position (and very possibly #7) :-puke:

United's challenge isn't looking too good at the moment, the way it's going we'll be like the 80's again - a good cup side but no league titles. :(



Mike

Dude give Fergie SOME credit, he's not stupid ffs

Martin O'Neill backs SAF to sort things out:

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1778_1324105,00.html

Ronaldo is disliked for being a showoff/egoistic/diving/moaning being. He isn't the only one to such things and it's not only foreigners just to make it clear.

This World Cup (not just the England game) was just the last straw for some. Most of the press are classless for doing yet another witch hunt.

But who's to blame, they fill their papers with it and it gets sold because people read/believe all that stuff. (it's not only in England like that and there are aswell good newspapers/journalists)

If you look at his World Cup, he was getting booed not only by english fans, but from lots of other countries, not just because he's a skilled and dangerous player, but because of his attitude of stumbling over an invisible ant, then always pleading with the ref/assistants.
Scolaris antics of handwaving etc didn't help either to "calm" him, it further encouraged him to continue so IMO

Plenty of people clearly had enough of him before that England-Portugal game because of some reaseons, aswell some ManUtd fans.

The Ruud-"go to your daddy"-row
I'm sure Ruud didn't intend to link that to his REAL father but more sarcasticly to the"getting prefered" treatment from Queiroz and plenty of people missunderstood that. The problem is see - he's getting prefered treatement and it doesn't do him any good.

It didn't help that he in his eraly Utd days sayd he'd like to play Spain someday in the future (which of corse is legimate IMO) or that he was replacing an hardworking Utd Icon of the 90s that despite not being from Manchester Area loved the club and gave everything and putting the team first.

Nor that he was imediatly given THE number 7 shirt - expectations, pressure were high from the begining and it surely didn't make it easier for him.

Most players who had the 7 had previously other numbers (Cantona #12, Becks the #28, #24, #10 and then THE 7)

Let's hope SAF can sort it out, I can't imagine how difficult this must be for SAF, this must be a big blow for him, who'd ever thought at the end of the season that Ronaldo would want out. But I am quite confident that SAF will find a solution for this

If Ronaldo and Ruud leave we are done. Chelsea got 2 times better adding Ballack and Sheva how are we suppose to challenge that without Ruud and Ronaldo?
Ronaldo did nothing stupid asses, He has the right to be angry and dissapointed, Rooney is the one to blame, well Lampard is the one to blame. but c'mon...I dont care what it takes we should keep Ronaldo, the kid is one of the most promising players in the world. Rooney and Ronaldo both are our future. We need to build the team around them.

IMO the only way I would accept Ronaldo and Ruud to leave is If we get Kaka Joaquin and Huntelaar

Which is never going to happen really, is it?

I feel we are capable to win the league even without Ruud and Ronaldo. That is, if we get 4 quality players who adapt to the Premiership immediately.

Whats the deal with Torres now?

he's obviously waiting for Milan's case to clear up (H)


haha nah.. I guess he's on holiday. so he aint discussing these things.

He might come regardless of whether Ruud leaves or not.

Whats the deal with Torres now?

Nothing new I guess, according to some rumours he's already looking for a house in England but no one really said if he is searching for one in Manchester or in London...load of bull**** anyways. I really hope he comes to United instead of Arsenal.

Man... i will be really sad if ronaldo leaves... i mean he is the entertainer of our team. The magician. What a talent we are letting go of...

Man... i will be really sad if ronaldo leaves... i mean he is the entertainer of our team. The magician. What a talent we are letting go of...

We aren't "letting him go", he (supposedly, again) said he wants to leave and if he does he should be able to do so...

He might change his mind like Steven Gerrard and his saga.

What i meant was that...we can prevent him from leaving by giving him assurance and support and shield him from the media. He's leaving bcuz no one has stepped in his defence.

And we dun have a replacement for him do we?

And we dun have a replacement for him do we?

We never had a decent replacement for Keane and Becks either and it never caused any problems... oh wait :(

United seeks £500million loan (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/07/09/cnmanu09.xml&menuId=242&sSheet=/money/2006/07/09/ixcitytop.html)

:rolleyes:

Nuri Sahin or Fabio Paim are being linked as Ronaldos replacement.

Nothing new I guess, according to some rumours he's already looking for a house in England but no one really said if he is searching for one in Manchester or in London...load of bull**** anyways. I really hope he comes to United instead of Arsenal.

The house hunting was in Manchester apparently.

http://www.koptalk.com/detail_subtitle_listing.php?link_id=3329

Nuri Sahin or Fabio Paim are being linked as Ronaldos replacement.



The house hunting was in Manchester apparently.

http://www.koptalk.com/detail_subtitle_listing.php?link_id=3329

Fabio Paim? I´m sorry Stotty but it would be a huge gamble. He didn´t even play with Sporting´s senior team yet. He´s going to do his first pre season with the senior squad this year. I would wait a couple of years before moving for him. About Sahin isn´t he a defensive midfielder?

Fabio Paim :rofl: :rofl:

some people just play too much FM.

About Sahin isn´t he a defensive midfielder?
He's a cm and definitely not a winger. He also would be a huge gamble, imo he needs at least two more years before making the next step.

Fabio Paim :rofl: :rofl:

some people just play too much FM.

and some people are too quick to dismiss things. Manchester United have link with Sporting Lisbon, and there were rumours theres a precontract deal in place. I'm just passing on what i've read.

He's a cm and definitely not a winger. He also would be a huge gamble, imo he needs at least two more years before making the next step.

Its also a gamble letting him develop and watch his price rocket and other clubs become involved. He probably wouldn't be thrown in at the deep end anyway.


Ribery has said that he'd welcome a move to England. I thought the lyon deal was pretty much done.

What are the other options...Simao? No thanks... Joaquin? Inconsitant i've heard, perhaps he's stiffled and needs a move... Jesus Navas? Looked good whenever i've seen him... Lennon? Crossing is worse than ronaldos...

we should move for Zidane, being able to head butt like that makes him the perfect keano replacement :funny:

all kidding aside i hope we start to see some real moves in the market now that the WC is over. the 14th approches rapidly, lets see if that rumor is true. a man can dream cant he :confused:

Sure, but I still don't get what hopeunited was thinking about when he said that Evra should "rediscover his winger talents", we have enough wingers on the left and well...you don't play left-back as a right winger.
Giggs can play RW and has switched to it a number of times, Park too. And Heinze and Silvestre seem to have the LB position cemented. So it's logical for Evra to be given a chance at LW maybe since Park and Giggs are flexible and Richardson won't be an indispensable first team player.

If Ronaldo and Ruud leave we are done. Chelsea got 2 times better adding Ballack and Sheva how are we suppose to challenge that without Ruud and Ronaldo?
Ronaldo did nothing stupid asses, He has the right to be angry and dissapointed, Rooney is the one to blame, well Lampard is the one to blame. but c'mon...I dont care what it takes we should keep Ronaldo, the kid is one of the most promising players in the world. Rooney and Ronaldo both are our future. We need to build the team around them.

IMO the only way I would accept Ronaldo and Ruud to leave is If we get Kaka Joaquin and Huntelaar
d o u c h e b a g

Ribery is, in my opinion, very possible and as near a perfect fit as you will get. Switching one for the other is gonna make you a pretty penny

Ribery is, in my opinion, very possible and as near a perfect fit as you will get. Switching one for the other is gonna make you a pretty penny

Apparently he wants a French coach.... in the EPL...
which is like saying he wants to join a club that starts with Arse, and ends with "nal"...

hey just let you guys know Manchester United are going for torres this week they are going to start the negotiations to get him to play for United and Im pretty sure that he is going there!:ewan:

what a summer we've had! are we going to buy players from the sale of ruud and ron or are the glazers gonna cough up some cash? those fat cats haven't even made an indication as yet. anyways it is in our best interest to see ac milan and juventus relegated as we can get good players for cheap ( or so i hope). gatusso and pirlo as said before wud be nice. torres by the sounds of it is going to be at old trafford next season, it leaves us with THAT MIGHTY RM SPOT. it is so tragic that when ever we find a replacement for one key spot, we have to find one for another soon after. (LB,GK..). if ribery is a united player then we will have done exceptionally well, but i rather ron and ribery in one side playing together.

Havent been here for quite a long time busying with the exam and the WC.

I just want to say about the 'Ronaldo and Rooney issue'...

In Hong Kong, people were cursing Ronaldo like hell and they all think Ronaldo kicked England out and he will never be forgave.

I can see the reason, Hong Kong had been Britain's colony before 1997 for 99 years, and so many, really many people in Hong Kong including me like England and England NT. But I dont think Ronaldo was that bad, he did dive but what he said to the ref would do nothing to the ref's decision and the red card.

Btw, have you seen the new home kit? I saw a photo of Park wearing one and I cant imagine thats the one posted here long time ago with the old club badge. :confused:

the odds of ron staying are equal to the odds of man utd getting ronaldinho.

Hong Kong had been Britain's colony before 1997 for 99 years
dude needs to pay more attention in history classes
hong kong was the Brit's colony since 1842, its been 155 years
the 99 years was counted from the date when the Brit started "renting" the New Territory

the odds of ron staying are equal to the odds of man utd getting ronaldinho.

Great!! We'll have Rooney, Ronaldo and Ronaldinho in our team!! :junior:

yeah you can stop play Champ Manager now...

yeah you can stop play Champ Manager now...

He rejected me even when he was 32 :(

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,2483_1325223,00.html

SAF done it again..... :(

Great... another GK... one that didnt get to play in the WC..
I am so excited!

We'll have nothing to fear now..

Stop the moaning guys, I'm sure that Fergie knows what he's doing, I bet Kuszczak will make a good winger or a DM. £4m for number 3 goalie isn't that much either...










MY GOOOOD :(

Kuszczak will be our Number 2 keeper behind VDS, Foster will go back on loan for Watford. I think it's clear that Foster is the long term replacement for VDS, but i'm willing to give Kuszczak and see what he can offer us.

Great... another GK... one that didnt get to play in the WC..
Ryan Giggs didn't get to play in the world cup, does that mean he's not worthy of playing for us either?

Stop whining, the transfer window is open till the end of next month. We also need a back-up GK, especially after Howard has been loaned out and Ben Foster set to be loaned out again too (and he still is to young for the EPL)


Ryan Giggs didn't get to play in the world cup, does that mean he's not worthy of playing for us either?

Spot on!

Foster is 23, I don't think it's "too young for the EPL", especially if he is the 2nd keeper.
Also I doubt that Foster will be loaned out if Kuszczak won't come for some reason...

More Ruud stories :rolleyes:
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldFootballNews&storyid=2006-07-10T115004Z_01_L10332847_RTRIDST_0_SPORT-SOCCER-VAN-NISTELROOY.XML&src=rss
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/overseas/spain/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/06/07/10/SOCCER_Real_Madrid_Van_Nistelrooy.html&TEAMHD=spain

He's not too young, just not developed and experienced enough to be a United number 2 imo. He'll benefit so much more from playing first team games in the EPL for Watford, and in the long run we'll benefit from his extra experience.

Ryan Giggs didn't get to play in the world cup, does that mean he's not worthy of playing for us either?
Giggs and Kuszczak are 2 completely different matters. Wales never qualified for the WC. Poland did, but still Kuszczak is the second keeper to Artur Boruc :S

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KJfW3hrzAz8&search=Kuszczak

legend

Giggs and Kuszczak are 2 completely different matters. Wales never qualified for the WC. Poland did, but still Kuszczak is the second keeper to Artur Boruc :S
Boruc is an established keeper for Celtic. Ok then, maybe not Giggs, but how about Saha and Silvestre?

Saha and Silvestre play for France and Kuszcsak plays for Poland...
Anyways I don't think its a good way to judge players like that (C) Lets see what he can do for United.

Anyways I don't think its a good way to judge players like that (C) Lets see what he can do for United.Dude that was my whole point.

Ryan Giggs didn't get to play in the world cup, does that mean he's not worthy of playing for us either?

As a few already mentioned... Kuszczak is Poland's 2nd GK.. one they dropped just before the WC as he was deemed not good enough for the world stage.

On the other hand, noone had any doubts Giggs was good enough for the WC, its a shame that Wales didn't qualify for what is potentially the last WC Giggs could participate in.

4M for a reserve GK when we still have Tim Howard is possibly not the best move.. especially when we have other much more important gaps to fill.

EDIT: that video just really made this transfer all better... (:/)

You can't judge on Kuszczak on ONE mistake that he made, which ultimately did cost him a WC starting spot. But anyone that SAF thinks would be a good signing i'm willing to give a chance.

Kuszhak (damn, one hard name to spell and type) isn't anything special but he is better than average. He may surprise us though but I feel 4 million is a bit too much.

Sorry wrong choices of words, I meant Ben Foster is inexperienced in the EPL and isn't ready yet to be the nr.2 behind Van der Sar

Guys....I'm sorry about the CRonaldo thing...what a little bitch....
Now I am sure he is overrated and all flash....from what I saw in the WC...he tried very hard, made a lot of flashy individual plays, but really didn't ever do anything....and the whining, diving and flopping was just ridiculous....

Maybe I'm wrong but I think the best thing for you is if you sell him to Real Mierda for 30 mil, and get some real players in .....

(now I haven't watched THAT much of him, this is just from what I saw of him in WC, so I'm not sure how he performed for you guys over the last seasons) Let me know if I'm wrong about him.....

Kuszczak save Vs Wigan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tlqxW4qTPs

it so f*cking pisses me off that united always overpay.
4m for Kuszczak?WTF?

if it were some other club like random charlton or blackburn,etc thenthe move woul be around 1m.
this is bullsh*t. we always pay more.
take for example Vidic and Evra. :s***:

Vidic and Evra?! We got good deals for both of them, didn't overpay at all.

it so f*cking pisses me off that united always overpay.
4m for Kuszczak?WTF?

if it were some other club like random charlton or blackburn,etc thenthe move woul be around 1m.
this is bullsh*t. we always pay more.
take for example Vidic and Evra. :s***:

we will always overpay for a slong as we are a big club and since thats been the best part of 60+ years i cant see it chaning, i know we get ripped off half the time but fdrankly you just accept it. we're always gonna get charged more for players unfortunatly, Chelsea are starting to discover this now aswell.... tho they dont have a budget to stick to but they have learned for the best players theyre gonna have to over pay, and frankly £4m for a good 2nd string keeper with age on his side i think is a good buy if it turns out ot be true

it so f*cking pisses me off that united always overpay.
4m for Kuszczak?WTF?

if it were some other club like random charlton or blackburn,etc thenthe move woul be around 1m.
this is bullsh*t. we always pay more.
take for example Vidic and Evra. :s***:

It's bad but not THAT bad, I'd understand a reaction like that if we would have sold Ferdinand for £4m, I also don't get the Vidic and Evra remark.

Ummm ok...umm...you guys are joking right? We didn't really just sign a keeper who just got relegated for 4m right? Ok...um...

WHAT THE **** FERGUSON!!! JESUS H ****IN CHRIST WE HAVE A ****IN HOLE IN CENTRAL MIDFIELD AND WE'RE SPLASHING MONEY OUT ON ANOTHER ****IN POSITION WE DONT NEED PLAYERS IN WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU STUPID MOTHER****ER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGHHHH :s***: :s***:

rant over.

(H)

im new n that.....what does scouser mean....cheers

im new n that.....what does scouser mean....cheers


A person from Liverpool.
Welcome to the forum, man, you have a **** username :)

cuz i have owen on it??......he my fav. since day 1....

Ummm ok...umm...you guys are joking right? We didn't really just sign a keeper who just got relegated for 4m right? Ok...um...

WHAT THE **** FERGUSON!!! JESUS H ****IN CHRIST WE HAVE A ****IN HOLE IN CENTRAL MIDFIELD AND WE'RE SPLASHING MONEY OUT ON ANOTHER ****IN POSITION WE DONT NEED PLAYERS IN WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU STUPID MOTHER****ER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGHHHH :s***: :s***:

rant over.

but we do need a keeper foster is still too young and a year playing EPL at watford will be better than playin second fiddle all season and not really getting a game, howard doesnt look like hes gonna cut it and is off to everton for the season leaving us with only van der sar, how exactly do we not need another keeper, go on please explain?

and again £4m for a keeper aint that bad considering his age and skill. im sure Fergie and the board have or transfers in the works, christ some people are far too impatient when it comes to out club, be calm and all will be alrite, that or we play with no midfield again and finish second with a trophy... :rolleyes:

another fing i dnt get.....y dont any1 wanna come to united like the latest ppl that dnt wanna come----- ribery, diarra, petit

we were suppose to get robben, cicinho, and much more....if this keeps up we gonna have the same team as lasy year except ronaldo out.......f*** him......that diver

I would understand a few reactions here if it was at the end of the transferwindow, the whole thing is just beginning, just be patient

Kuszczak 4m is ok IF we needed a keeper,fair enough let foster go on loan get games but why buy a keeper when vds is doin a great job and will be 1 this year,why cant we load a goal keeper im sure we could have loaned someone for the season and then foster come back with a year of football under his belt and would be surely ready by then and if he isnt then he will never be ready,and i guess this means no buffon????

Dude we weren't going to get Buffon anyway.

I would understand a few reactions here if it was at the end of the transferwindow, the whole thing is just beginning, just be patient

We may have alot of time, but I am not sure we have alot of money....

The Sun has really made my day... apparently Ruud wants to go to Bayern, and Heinze to RM...
I am so happy, because The Sun is always wrong!! :jap:

so where is cristiano ronaldo going?
where is ruud the dude going?

guys kuszczak is a very good keeper.
one mistake doesnt make him any bad either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkLNtF5tpTs

watch it kuszczak was really unlucky.
even buffon would have struggled saving that one!

ribery wants to play for arsenal. it may dissappoint some of mu fans but its true.

Use the edit button... :s***:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkLNtF5tpTs

watch it kuszczak was really unlucky.
even buffon would have struggled saving that one!

The first goal was unlucky..
The 2nd goal was NOT unlucky ...
The 3rd goal he spilled the ball. ...

For the 2nd goal, if you watch the video earlier and this one, you'll find:
1. He wasn't concentrating, so he didnt really move until the ball went over the half way line...
2. He was out of position for no particular reason
3. He was slow in getting back
4. He misjudged the flight of the ball, he jumped too early ..
5. He didnt jump very high
6. He still should've been able to tip the ball over but couldnt get his arm up..
7. Barthez did hit a ball straight to Buffon, he had absolutely no problems dealing with it... so unless if this Columbia goalkeeper is a superman in disguise, I cant see why this ball was so hard to deal with that even Buffon couldn't save it.

I guess the positive side is you can really only stuff up that badly once in your life, so he probably wont do it again with a man utd shirt on..

i hope this is the start of a few more buys. man the media is all ****ers, one day they will concentrate on ronaldo and the other on ruud.

ribery wants to play for arsenal. it may dissappoint some of mu fans but its true.

He's on his way to Lyon

so where is cristiano ronaldo going?
where is ruud the dude going?

Ruud's manager confirmed that he opened talks with Real Madrid where he is on the top of their list, the new presidente Calderon wants him to complement Ronaldo in the front so it will be a matter of time now..
So probably both C.Ronaldo and Ruud are going to Real Madrid :o
Also Rummenige said the same about Ruud and BM, Bayern Munich wants him as well. So he is leaving MU that's 100% certain and Ruud has told the media here that he wanted to stay in Manchester but SAF made it impossible for him to play there anymore so he is hoping to leave asap and play football again and leave all this behind him.

Haha, The Sun is something else, now they are claiming that Heinze wants to leave to Real too, who's next? O'shea?

If there's one ManU player I completely trust then that would Heinze

Am I the only one to find the irony of Real Madrid wanting to get both RVN and Ronaldo?
They sure are best of mates.. :alex: :alex:

I saw we bury the hatchet you lot.

There's another problem arising.

Madrid. Let's go kick their ass!

can someone post the pre-season fixtures

It's bad but not THAT bad, I'd understand a reaction like that if we would have sold Ferdinand for £4m, I also don't get the Vidic and Evra remark.

to be clear, Evra is a player that may fit into teams like charlton-blackburn,etc.
he has not looked Man Utd quality yet. People may say to give him time but thats the same thing we did with Kleberson, Dumba-Dumba, Bellion.
Man Bellion was being predicted to be the next Henry but all he was was sh*t.

Vidic helped S&M to qualify and concede only 1 goal.But he didnt do it alone . He looked vulnerable at many times in the back in his few games he played.

A world class player is one who fits into the side instantly without excuses of language barrier.
We need such players if we are to be amongst the greatest clubs in the world.
players saying " I'll be great next season","I'll show my true potential next" are just the ones who are confused of how to fullfil the expectations of fans of a mega-club.

A world class player is one who fits into the side instantly without excuses of language barrier.
We need such players if we are to be amongst the greatest clubs in the world.
.


So any English player then ?


Veron was world class, just because they didnt fit in at a club doesnt mean there not

veron had class but hardly demonstrated his full capabilities.
isnt that just why he changed an odd 13 clubs or so and has returned back to his hometown club in argentina?

for united's case this has happened most.
i'm not necessarily mentioning this feature for other clubs too.

Carvalho,Ferriera,Del Horno, Robben,Joe Cole, Crespo are all world class buys by chelsea an d they have fitted in the system.well
about crespo there may be arguments but he has a fantastic matches/goals rate for chelsea.
maybe thats why chelsea ran away with the title easily.
adding to it are shevchenko,ballack,kalou.

So any English player then ?


Veron was world class, just because they didnt fit in at a club doesnt mean there not

True....

How about a Ruud for Hargreaves swap deal?

How about a Ruud for Hargreaves swap deal?

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Now seriously :rolleyes: comparing hargreaves to RvN is a joke :boohoo:
You can have him, MU gets Hargreaves and a few million..seems reasonable

Ruud is not equal to hargreaves. Hargreaves + cash=Ruud

I'm not comparing the two, English papers brought that one up.

I really want Ruud but I'm having a hard time giving up Hargreaves for him. Owen's a great guy and a nice squad player. I'd rather pay the 15 million euros.

I actually like the idea of Hargreaves+a little cash for Ruud...

as long as the little cash is not under 10 million, i'd be glad

Ruud is not equal to hargreaves. Hargreaves + cash=Ruud

think twice. ruud has ten times more class than owen.
he's a proven player.
ahrgreaves is also class but has his name lifted up a bit more after the performance against portugal.

3 months ago would u have evn imagined or fancied united to make a move for hargreaves?

10 times more class? And what exactly are you basing this on?

i say go for Andrea Pirlo or Kaka......both of them are attacking and now with the departure of ruud gonna happen....we need some1 to help ROONEY.....ya Saha is there but he's not consistent

i say go for Andrea Pirlo or Kaka......both of them are attacking and now with the departure of ruud gonna happen....

why is ruud definatly leaving? cos all i see is paper talk so he must be on his waty.... i wouldnt say hes definatly going i mean, wait and see what happens

Ruud is due to meet United in the next week, to talk things through. Roger Liinse has been the mouthpiece so far, Ruud hasn't really said anything (unlike Ronaldo). The clubs who want him are the ones talking as well.


As for Gabby, I agree with the guy who said he's totally trustworthy. I think he's happy at United. The fans worship him and he knows it.


Mike

10 times more class? And what exactly are you basing this on?

Ignore him, he's a twat.

why is ruud definatly leaving? cos all i see is paper talk so he must be on his waty.... i wouldnt say hes definatly going i mean, wait and see what happens

He's not staying believe me, he is sick and tired of that tiran SAF, sure he wants to stay and serve out his contract cause that's the gentleman he is but if Real Madrid comes along...... bye bye :ewan:
I always said I want him to stay at MU but after what that clown SAF did with his Glazerposse I would get the hell out a Dodge if I were him :rolleyes:
He doesn't want to warm up the bench any longer for Saha who is in no way as good as he is anyway..

Wow this summer transfer rumours have gotten out of hand. Ronaldo leaving, Ruud leaving now Heinze? Wow it's like the heart of our team is being ripped out. On top of that we sign Kuzcak for 4 mill...lmfao. This has to be bull****, surely even Ferguson hasn't lost it that much.

Yeah, lol, we are turning into Ajax (minus the youth system)...

He's not staying believe me, he is sick and tired of that tiran SAF, sure he wants to stay and serve out his contract cause that's the gentleman he is but if Real Madrid comes along...... bye bye :ewan:



oh so you know him that personally yeah? or did youi just make this up since the only ive heard ruud himself say is that he doesnt twant to leave and will talk to fergie after the world cup.

but hey you know the guy personally so you must be right.... :rolleyes:

I know him hell of a lot better then you anyway smart@ss even if you have him in your sig :rolleyes: believe what you wanna I don't give a toss really :chew:

Nor do we, so get the f*ck out of here with your bullsh*t arselicking.

Nor do we, so get the f*ck out of here with your bullsh*t arselicking.

Sorry I'm not gay like you :nape: :ewan:
What's the matter pal can't handle the truth :p very mature post btw :jambo:

Sorry I'm not gay like you :nape: :ewan:


Very mature post, there mate. :ewan:

Cheers :ewan:

Seems like Ronaldo is beloved by his teammates.

Unforgiven
Ruud van Nistelrooy is ready to turn his back on the riches of Real Madrid - because Cristiano Ronaldo is heading there. The United striker has told Bayern Munich that he is prepared to ignore the overtures of the Spanish giants, and instead make a shock move to the German champions. Van Nistelrooy famously had a training ground bust-up with Ronaldo that seems to have effectively forced him out of Old Trafford, and he will refuse the chance to team up with the Portuguese winger again.
manutd.com

Sorry I'm not gay like you :nape: :ewan:
What's the matter pal can't handle the truth :p very mature post btw :jambo:

Oh the irony of calling me gay then sarcastically tagging my post as "mature".

I think its more you that can't handle the truth. Van Nistelrooy is past it. He doesn't move, nor want to move, for anyone but himself. He still thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread and throws his toys out of his pram when anyone disagrees. Each summer he's offered himself around the rest of Europe. 3rd Summer lucky eh? :ewan:

Oh the irony of calling me gay then sarcastically tagging my post as "mature".

I think its more you that can't handle the truth. Van Nistelrooy is past it. He doesn't move, nor want to move, for anyone but himself. He still thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread and throws his toys out of his pram when anyone disagrees. Each summer he's offered himself around the rest of Europe. 3rd Summer lucky eh? :ewan:

Grow up will you :rolleyes:
Oh yeah really mature again, better focus on the thread's topic in stead of posting childish reactions :nape:

Oh and a far better striker than RvN is playing in Amsterdam now, scored three times again today and twice earlier this week KLAAS-JAN HUNTELAAR and he stays with us too. It's a damn shame that he wasn't playing in our team at the WC but I guess Marco had his reasons :rolleyes:

Ignore him, he's a twat.

scram off.
owen hargreaves was never world reknowned untill two outstanding world cup games.

ruud has proved himself in his department of scoring goals at a massive rate.
10 times more is a hyperbole to signify the intensity.

if ya dont understand that then go back to school.theres no need to lash out and recommenr ignorance to a fellow united supporter.never expected something like this from you

Oh and a far better striker than RvN is playing in Amsterdam now, scored three times again today and twice earlier this week KLAAS-JAN HUNTELAAR and he stays with us too. It's a damn shame that he wasn't playing in our team at the WC but I guess Marco had his reasons :rolleyes:

Great stuff..... (Y) I'm sure he'll look good in our shirt (6)

Seems like Ronaldo is beloved by his teammates.

Unforgiven
Ruud van Nistelrooy is ready to turn his back on the riches of Real Madrid - because Cristiano Ronaldo is heading there. The United striker has told Bayern Munich that he is prepared to ignore the overtures of the Spanish giants, and instead make a shock move to the German champions. Van Nistelrooy famously had a training ground bust-up with Ronaldo that seems to have effectively forced him out of Old Trafford, and he will refuse the chance to team up with the Portuguese winger again.
manutd.com
Why do you read fabricated tabloids news? And why do you post them here?

if ruud is going then surely torres is making his way here.......right?
why does the british media like unsettling our players?

Because there is still the ABU mentality...

Ruud - Hargreaves + Cash deal would be ok..
if we get Torres..

But then, Ruud is leaving anyways, just a matter of where..
Might as well get Hargreaves than nobody..

i m still waiting for a big player signing....definitely not hargreaves or Kuzkak

yeah...m hopin we can get some italians :p

i m still waiting for a big player signing....definitely not hargreaves or Kuzkak

I prefer playing skills to names...not that we could get any big names anyway.

UNITED: RONALDO GOING NOWHERE
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=402469&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=2&title=United:+Ronaldo+not+for+sale

The united quotes seem very determined there and serious.

UNITED: RONALDO GOING NOWHERE
http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=402469&CPID=8&clid=1&lid=2&title=United:+Ronaldo+not+for+sale

The united quotes seem very determined there and serious.

Good.. we can't be in the business of being bullied by players that want to leave.

He signed a contract, he'll honour it.
If he doesnt want to come back, he can sit around until 2010...

OR force RM to pay more $$$

I read that ManU and Bayern will start negotiating about a Ruud transfer in the next days. Hargreaves will not be included in any kinds of deals.

I read that ManU and Bayern will start negotiating about a Ruud transfer in the next days. Hargreaves will not be included in any kinds of deals.

Yeah the same can be said about Carrick etc. Man U wants to continue negotiating for players the comin' few days.

Ronaldo himself talking:

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1778_1328585,00.html

Does Ronaldo have multiple personalty or something?! :nape:

I am starting to get frustrated with what's going on around with Ronaldo. Why does he contradict what he have said earlier on? If he's keen on going, he should keep his mind to it. And not saying that it will be fine for him to stay too. Who the hell does he think he is? It's the manager that decides whether you stay or leave, not the player. I hope that it can be resolved as soon as possible, i am getting sick of it.

Ronaldo still young and he had to deal with alot of undeserved sh*t this summer from the english media and fans, so please understand that he may be a little confused. Now I may be a huge Real Madrid supporter, but Portugal comes first for me. I think it's best for him to stay Manchester United and continue his development. I just ask you guys not to judge him by what you've read in the papers, but by his actions on the pitch for United. If the last few years are any indication, expect more than 11 goals this season.

well, hes sayin he wants to stay cause united offically said hes not goin anywhere...basically he just eatin hes words bout goin to madrid and tryin to come of clean........after what united had done for him this is how he repays them...f***in twat he is.......................

Ronaldo is young but he is not that young afterall. I am younger than him but at least i know what to say and what not to say. I am not against him or anything, just feel that he just need to keep his mouth shut sometimes. I am not against him saying that he wants to play for a bigger club but he needs to know one thing, he is playing for Manchester United, period.

scram off.
owen hargreaves was never world reknowned untill two outstanding world cup games.

if ya dont understand that then go back to school.theres no need to lash out and recommenr ignorance to a fellow united supporter.never expected something like this from you

If you can impress on the world's biggest stage, why not? And it's the World Cup ffs, it's where you prove yourself.

Me lashing out? Haha. I bet I can find posts by you lashing on the team.

if ronaldo leaves then i want pirlo or kaka.....and man u has to splash out the money fast before the season starts.....its just right around the corner innit.... if RVN leaves most likely then get another striker like torres

It looks like we are getting close to signing Carrick for about 14 million pounds.

http://www.eurosport.com/football/premiership/2006-2007/sport_sto924701.shtml

too much i say

come on united get him....we need a holding midfield player

I cant believe we let Zokora go to Spurs, and still want to buy Carrick for 14 mill. Makes zero sense. Unless we're signing a defensive midfielder along with Carrick.

I would have preferred Hargreaves to Carrick actually :$ . And I'm sure Hargreaves, even though English, would not have cost 14 million.

Michael Carrick is younger than Owen Hargreaves and is still learning his trade, he will flourish under the guidance of Sir Alex. Hargreaves is busier in terms of running, Carrick is a true holding defensive Midfielder.


As for Ronaldo, I think he sounds totally confused or he's desperately backtracking because Madrid have been warned off. I wouldn't be surprised if his agents/advisors have been putting words in his mouth. United fans will support him as long as he is committed to the club, and recently that is very much in doubt.




Mike

I cant believe we let Zokora go to Spurs, and still want to buy Carrick for 14 mill. Makes zero sense. Unless we're signing a defensive midfielder along with Carrick.
i think it makes perfect sense. Carrick to Zokora? Carrick is english, zokora is not. Spurs have enough english players to worry about home nationality cap, while we could use a few home players.



And again, why is everyone thinking so highly of Hargreaves now, like he is one of the best midfielders in the world? All i saw from him is perform in 1 single game and now everybody thinks that he is amazing. I haven't seen much of him in german league, but german league is of a little bit lower standard than english league, while carrick has been one of the main reasons why Spurs did so well in EPL last season. Personally, i'll take carrick over hargreaves, but what i'm even more happy about is that our midfield problem might be solved. With Scholes coming back as well, we should do just fine there. Now we just gotta sort out the Ruud and Ronaldo situations and find replacements for them if needed.

Ruud can be replaced by Saha - with Rossi graduating to the first team. We'll also have Ole back too (and Alan Smith in September) If we were going shopping for a new striker though, I'd like ideally Torres. Although maybe Saviola could do a job for us.

Midfield would certainly look better with Carrick and Scholes - but I'd love to see United get Gattuso and Pirlo (if Milan go down) I'd sell Darren Fletcher and bring David Jones up into the first team instead, alongside Chris Eagles and Gerrard Pique. Pique can operate in the back four and also in Midfield too.


Mike

I'm really not sure about Eagles. I dont feel he can cut it at the big stage. He's gone missing in even the minor games we've tried him in.

Ruud can be replaced by Saha



From the minute I read that, I didn't bother to read the rest of your post.





It's all warm and fuzzy that Carrick is English and all, but he's not the type that will go and win the ball for us, he's also not the player that will be the engine room and drive our midfield forward. Zokora is a midfield monster with a rolls royce touch, what do you want? The English national team? Or a class team? We dont need any creative midfielders, we have Jones and Scholes. We need friggin midfield monsters like Gattuso. Snarling dogs who aren't afraid to kick the **** out of the opposition and make them think twice before stepping in our half. (C)

Carrick its not our solution...Mascherano is cheaper and possibly better, why not get him? Imo we should get him and a playmaker like Kaka and a fast winger to be Giggs replacement!

Mascherano cheaper? Your kidding right?

Your kidding right?

No, he is just a clueless moron :p

No, he is just a clueless moron :p

haha :fool:

I think I'd agree with that. (6)

It's good that we are still after English players. It is a disgrace that English topclubs especially Arsenal and Chelsea only get their players from abroad

If you can impress on the world's biggest stage, why not? And it's the World Cup ffs, it's where you prove yourself.
Kleberson too impressed on the world's biggest stage 4 years ago
it didnt turn out too good then

i personally think that Kleberson wasn't given enough opportunity. I think he could've been great for us :(

It's good that we are still after English players. It is a disgrace that English topclubs especially Arsenal and Chelsea only get their players from abroad
We have 6 english first teamers to your 7, or 6.5 really since one is Kieron Richardson

i personally think that Kleberson wasn't given enough opportunity. I think he could've been great for us :(
yeah, i reckon he would be at least better than that scottish player

now ronaldo says if he stays he's fine with it. woo hoo.... :rolleyes:

i think carrick only is not the solution to our midfield problem, we need a gattuso in there aswell. personally i wud like to see this season as rossi's debut first team season. if ron and roo can do it why not rossi.

realistically, could Real's Gravensen fancy a move back to United?

How did Gravensen go in RM?
If we get Carrick, not sure how useful Gravensen would be ... We will only have 2 centre midfielder, and I am fairly sure Scholes will start if available.

Carrick has age on his side and is a talent, so I rather have carrick if its a pick between the two.

now ronaldo says if he stays he's fine with it. woo hoo.... :rolleyes:

Personally I think if he is committed once he's back, its definitely a good thing for us


i think carrick only is not the solution to our midfield problem, we need a gattuso in there aswell.

That would depend alot of whether he is available. Unless Milan gets the drop, he is defnintely not available. And even if he is available, we'll have quite a fight on our hands to get him..

personally i wud like to see this season as rossi's debut first team season. if ron and roo can do it why not rossi.

Rossi's not as well built. I wouldnt mind see him play, but I dont think he'll be a regular starter just yet...

Graveson is a good EPL player, but in the long run he's not the answer. I wanted him to come to United back in January, but mainly as a patchup player until the summer. Now I feel there are/were better options than him.

Yeah, we have WAAAAAAY better options, namely Mascherano, Yaya Toure, Gattuso...you know, the names we bandy about on the forums but never get signed in real life.

hey guys, it seems that fulham's steed malbranque will leave fulham sooner or leter.

what would your views be upon him?
he has proved himself in the epl.has great pace, can score great goals.
he has never dissapointed.
if we end up with no one,then certainly making a move for steed to fill up the right flank can be a decent move.

Malbranque would be a good option, although we haven't show any interest in him. :rolleyes:

Ruud close to Real deal (http://www.sportinglife.com/football/overseas/spain/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/06/07/13/manual_092217.html&TEAMHD=spain) :(