CHELSEA FC Thread [2006 - 07] [Archive]

TheBlueBalla

11-07-2006, 04:33:AM

John Terry made the World Cup all star team, so someone must have thought he had a good tournament.

Nice new thread guys. Muchos Gracias.

Omar, great pics man. One thing though, thats Alan Hudson and not Charlie Cooke. :jap:
Do'h :$ There is my youth and your age showing itself again. I shouldve looked at the number, dead giveaway, even if the lack of facial hair wasnt

Intresting find is that Charlie is now coaching a soccer school in Ohio!
http://www.charliecookesoccer.com/

Any other ideas for the first page, Pete? Rob, what else? Are you just gonna pull the club story from last years? Anyone else with input. Ive got time to kill tomorrow before work

and did i forget anyone? I know i left out Le Saux

is ballack getting his #13 or what? (:/)

oh and id say that ballack had a bellow par-ok world cup with his 2 assists only and he had many shots on goal, but this was due to his defensive role he plays for the German NT. also, he had been playign with an injury throughout all the matches and wasnt really 100% fit at any point in the wc.
I really thought Ballack played well, not great. Alot like JT, just played good and made a play from time to time, but when you know these guys are capable of dominating games singlehandedly, 'good' is hard to accept.

After losing to Italy, and with club punishments, I think Billy may just forget about Serie A and resign with us. If that happens, then Riccy may be history, so either 13 opens up, or we have 12, 6, and 17 open. Still, its all speculation for now. We know what Sheva will get (H) and Kalou will likely be 9

jani

11-07-2006, 04:43:AM

Crespo is out of contract?!

TheBlueBalla

11-07-2006, 04:44:AM

yes

jani

11-07-2006, 04:46:AM

btw, didnt Ballack get the #13?

I remember this because somehow that news even paved the way better for Gallas to arrive.

TheBlueBalla

11-07-2006, 04:51:AM

He didnt hold up any shirt in the press confrence because its not really official what he has got. Billy being in the world cup has put the brakes on any decision (he's probably glad for that) but I get the feeling that with all the uncertainty, he will be much more reluctant to give up an annual shot against Europe's biggest and possibly another league trophy for Milan.

If Ballack doesnt like not getting the number he wants then he can be shopped in 6 months. Gallas uber alles

rlrao1987

11-07-2006, 04:58:AM

guys i watched jon obi mikel recently in world youth cup and he was good trust me.
in fact he was better than messi in that game but, argentina won that gam via a messi goal and messi became a revelation at barca. now the time has come for JON OBI MIKEL to shine.

Best's_cadaver

11-07-2006, 05:59:AM

And you forgot Di Mateo on the all time greats let alone Dan Petresku mate. Less winning times but nontheless great times to be a CHelsea fan.

TheBlueBalla

11-07-2006, 05:20:PM

Yeah, you have a point. If I have Gullit, I should probably throw in DiMatteo, Sauxy, SuperDan, Poyet or even Eidur. But I didnt wanna go overboard. We still love them all too

My only worry with Obi Mikel is that Jose doesnt play him. Roman wants a more attractive brand of play, and Mikel might be part of that, but to make an impact he needs minutes. Maybe he will be the tip of any 4-4-2 diamond we play, though id like Joe Cole to be that role

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soon the new kit will be out and we can put that there too. And I forgot to put the club officials and trainers with the first team. Whoops

Rob

12-07-2006, 01:26:AM

Good work Balla, Ill fix all that up after this poker tournament im playing.

TheBlueBalla

12-07-2006, 05:00:PM

oh rob, you outlaw you

thanks man ;)

pede54

13-07-2006, 01:29:AM

The First XI for the MLS All-Star squad that will play Chelsea in the first game of our pre-season preparations was announced on Wednesday evening.

The MLS All-Star team is the select elite from the United States’ Major League Soccer domestic league. The make-up of the team is determined by voting with 25 per cent of the ballot coming from fans voting online, 25 per cent from the MLS coaches and general managers, 25 per cent from the players and 25 per cent from the media.

The First XI is not necessarily the starting line-up, as head coach Peter Nowak will determine the starters based on player availability and tactical considerations.

D.C. United head coach Nowak earned the honour of coaching the MLS side by virtue of leading his team to the highest point total in the League up to July 4th. On Monday July 17th, the full 18-man MLS All-Star squad will be announced. It will include two choices by MLS commissioner Don Garber with the remaining five selected by Nowak.

The 2006 Sierra Mist MLS All-Star Game "First XI" is:
GOALKEEPER

Troy Perkins (D.C. United) -- The second-year goalkeeper has played every minute thus far this season for the Black-and-Red, helping the four-time MLS Cup champions to the best overall record in the league at 12-1-5. The 24-year-old's 0.78 goals against average is the lowest in MLS and he has already racked up seven shutouts so far in 2006.

DEFENDERS

Jimmy Conrad (Kansas City Wizards) -- The Wizards veteran has only played in seven games so far in 2006, thanks to his surprise selection to the U.S. World Cup team. However, his presence in the K.C. back line can't be understated, as his ability to read the game, good positioning and a strong aerial game make him one of the most difficult defenders in the league to take on. He also has found the net once.

Chris Albright (Los Angeles Galaxy) -- Similar to Conrad, Albright's time with the Galaxy has been limited due to World Cup duty. The right back has 10 appearances this season. His return to the Galaxy lineup has helped spark a stunning turnaround for the defending MLS Cup champions, who have won three in a row after going winless in 10 straight.

Eddie Pope (Real Salt Lake) -- The U.S. national team veteran completes the "First XI" trio of defenders just back from Germany. Injuries have also limited Pope's time, as he has played in just eight RSL matches so far this season. He has done enough to earn a spot in his ninth consecutive All-Star Game though.

MIDFIELDERS

Dwayne De Rosario (Houston Dynamo) -- The Canadian dynamo (pun intended) has picked up right where he left off in 2005, when he was a finalist for the Honda MVP after a stellar season for the San Jose Earthquakes. The unquestioned leader of the Dynamo midfield, De Rosario's great passing and a penchant for scoring spectacular goals make him one of the most exciting players in the league to watch.

Landon Donovan (Los Angeles Galaxy) -- Donovan's impact on the Galaxy is obvious. Without him, the Galaxy struggle. With him, the Galaxy usually win. With four goals and four assists in 10 appearances, Donovan leads his team in each category (Herculez Gomez is tied with four goals). No stranger to the All-Star Game, Donovan has taken part every year since 2001, when he scored four goals to earn MVP honors.

Christian Gomez (D.C. United) -- A native of Argentina, Gomez is the creator in D.C. United's midfield. He passes well, shoots well and defends doggedly, helping his side to the top of the Eastern Conference. His six goals and six assists in 17 games have propelled him to a second consecutive All-Star appearance.

Clint Dempsey (New England Revolution) -- Another U.S. World Cup team member, Dempsey is one of the most creative and innovative players ever produced by MLS. His brash attitude and fearlessness, combined with skills on the ball and deadly finishing ability, make the Texan a force to be reckoned with. He has only played in nine games thus far in 2006, but he has four goals and two assists in that time.

Shalrie Joseph (New England Revolution) -- Dempsey's partner in the Revs' midfield, Joseph does much of the dirty work so that the others around him can strut their stuff. The Grenada international can do the job on his own, as well, as his three goals so far this season prove. But more than a scorer, his presence in New England's midfield often helps the Revs control the tempo of a game.

FORWARDS

Ante Razov (Chivas USA) -- An MLS original, Razov has experienced a major resurgence in 2006, once again finding the net at will under head coach Bob Bradley. With 11 goals already this season, Razov is aiming to eclipse his career high of 18, set in 2000 as a member of the Chicago Fire. Despite having 95 career goals -- third-most in MLS history -- this will mark just the third time that Razov earns All-Star honors.

Jaime Moreno (D.C. United) -- Also an MLS original, Moreno has been getting the job done for United for years, and 2006 has been no different. His nine goals have put him over 100 for his career (currently at 103), trailing just Jason Kreis of RSL for the all-time lead. Moreno is a four-time MLS Cup winner, and with this year's appointment, a six-time All-Star. The Bolivian is undoubtedly one of the top players ever to play in the league.

The match against Chelsea will take place on Saturday August 5th at Toyota Park, Bridgeview, Illinois - the new stadium of the Chicago Fire team.

Jaouadinho

13-07-2006, 11:13:AM

With all the money u have iam sure u can afford a new stadium right.
because this one sucks from outside.

TheBlueBalla

13-07-2006, 03:50:PM

....and my 'ignore' list gets a new addition

Good news everyone (H) Valencia's sporting director actually wants to pay us money for Del Ohno

:lui: :clapwap: :bob: :jacko: :fluffy:

Thanks for the memories and that red card, Asier. Pete, go pick him up and take him to Gatwick (H)

jani

13-07-2006, 03:55:PM

isnt Heathrow a more international airport? :(:D

I always thought Del Horno was good. I'd give him a second chance in the EPL.

Rob

13-07-2006, 03:57:PM

IMO.

If Juve go down I want Chelsea to sign Zambrotta, we'd have no defensive problems then.

He can play left or right, bridge on Left, we have Paulo Ferreira for Right and has played left, Gallas can play left or right (if need be) and then Geremi can play anywhere, that solves any problems in terms of full backs.

Thats only signing I want to see.

TheBlueBalla

13-07-2006, 03:59:PM

Yeah Del Horno was awesome in Spain and for the first five games. And then things got so bad we resorted to playing Ferreira and Geremi as the fullbacks. There wont be a second chance if we're trying to win in Europe this year

my understanding:
Luton = domestic
Gatwick = some international, mostly inter Europe
Heathrow = overseas international, inter europe

IMO.

If Juve go down I want Chelsea to sign Zambrotta, we'd have no defensive problems then.

He can play left or right, bridge on Left, we have Paulo Ferreira for Right and has played left, Gallas can play left or right (if need be) and then Geremi can play anywhere, that solves any problems in terms of full backs.

Thats only signing I want to see.
Spot f*cking on. I know I big up Wayne Bridge here, but if you have a chance to get the worlds best outside back, you dont say no

Ferreira--Terry--Gallas--Zambrotta

would be watertight. Beautiful blend of power, athleticism, and offensive ability. To have players like Carvalho, Bridge, or Geremi off the bench would be too good to be true

Rob

13-07-2006, 04:03:PM

I thought Del Horno was a bargain at first, and after first 5-10 games I was jumping up for joy ... then he turned sh*t.

TheBlueBalla

13-07-2006, 04:05:PM

and his form wasnt for lack of chances like Kezman, Bridge or Parker. Jose ran him out there alot to justify his purchase and he never got it back

The Messi red card convinced me that he would likely never regain his confidence with us

Rob

13-07-2006, 04:07:PM

TheBlueBalla

13-07-2006, 04:20:PM

Mind you, Messi rolled more times than you can count on your hands and toes.
Dont remind me :( I know it was just a braindead, awful challenge, not the assassination attempt it was made out to be, but we were already getting outclassed by them, and losing one player was a huge blow to the team. Granted, we fought back, but Asier had to know how big he cost us. At that point, I sorta gave up hope of him getting better. Even in the late stages of the season, when Maniche was even looking half decent again, Del Horno was still a liability in relatively insignificant games

But that tie was such a disaster on every level. I hate reliving it. Even with us being much stronger all around, I dont wanna face Barca again. Im tired of perpetuating this cycle of revenge and want an easier road to Athens

MaestroZidane

13-07-2006, 05:11:PM

Chelsea is top class at the moment, so wouldn't you want to beat the best so you can proudly claim "you are the best"?

TheBlueBalla

13-07-2006, 05:44:PM

Yeah, that would be nice, I guess. But if we beat them again, then we would have a in-prime Ronaldinho, Messi, Puyol, Cameroonian crybaby and Xavi gunning for us next year and after that until they got revenge. I could do without that.

It depends though. If theyre off form in Feb/Mar then id obviously rather try and knock them out then than have them advance, regain form, and then see them in the quarters or semis

But dont get me wrong. If we had a one off with Barca, or anyone else in Europe, id bet on us, especially if we make a quality signing for leftback. Mourinho was laxidasical in match prep last year, but he wont have to motivate them this time

Cech
Ferreira Terry Gallas Zambro
Makelele
-------Ballack
Lampard--------
Cole------------------Robben
Shevchenko

fingers crossed with Zambro obviously, but I wouldnt take an 11 in the world over that

Nimreitz

13-07-2006, 07:53:PM

Cech
Ferreira Terry Gallas Zambro
Makelele
-------Ballack
Lampard--------
Cole------------------Robben
Shevchenko

fingers crossed with Zambro obviously, but I wouldnt take an 11 in the world over that

It's not bad, although I think on paper

Kahn
Sagnol Lucio van Buyten Lahm
Hargreaves/Demichelis
Deisler----------------Ribery (fingers crossed)
Schweinsteiger
Podolski Makaay

can compete with you. Sure I'm just a fan hoping for the best, but the young players are really improving and except for Kahn, none of the older guys have started their downfall yet. I want Chelsea again!

By the way, after the Lampard-Gerrard debacle at the World Cup, aren't you guys a little worried about how him and Ballack will function in the same midfield? I'm curious because I think Balla said before the World Cup that Ballack was probably the closest thing to Gerrard, so seeing him in the team would be a good sneak peak to what Lampard and Gerrard could do together. I think it's always going to be tough with two players who are used to playing a free role in their team.

So Gallas is staying now?

pede54

13-07-2006, 08:43:PM

With all the money u have iam sure u can afford a new stadium right.
because this one sucks from outside.

Its what happens on the inside, thats what counts fella :ewan:

Actually Omar I took him to Stansted Airport. One way ticket with Easyjet £29. A bargain. Boxed him up in a crate and labelled it fragile. He should be there by now mate.

Took a pic just to prove it....... :rofl:
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/965/delboyscrate0gv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Nuno

13-07-2006, 09:02:PM

How come no one has included Roberto Carlos in their lineup? It's almost certain he'll be joining Chelsea this summer. I think Zambrotta will follow his coach to Real Madrid, I haven't seen him linked to Chelsea.

Vedran-10

13-07-2006, 10:58:PM

I heard RC was going to Turkey. Obviously missed something.

pede54

13-07-2006, 11:07:PM

Roberto Carlos is a turkey. After his WC displays I think Roman would have told Jose to forget the whole thing.

Billy set to sign a new contract
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/premiership/chelsea/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=nonwire_soccer/06/07/12/manual_144506.html&TEAMHD=chelsea&DIV=prem&TEAM=CHELSEA&RH=Chelsea&PREV_SEASON=

And some news about interest in Nesta and Ashley Cole
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/premiership/chelsea/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/06/07/12/manual_095616.html&TEAMHD=chelsea&DIV=prem&TEAM=CHELSEA&RH=Chelsea&PREV_SEASON=

Nimreitz

14-07-2006, 12:29:AM

I've always liked Gallas, good for you keeping him.

Dreath

14-07-2006, 12:49:AM

Gallas is your best buy this summer.

Moreira_Benfica

14-07-2006, 01:57:AM

Valencia are keen to try and bring Chelsea full back Asier Del Horno back to the Spanish top-flight.

btw huth transfer has been put on hold, since he failed his physical

Rob

15-07-2006, 06:15:AM

http://i1.tinypic.com/1zxws3b.jpg

I'll put that on main page soon, promise it will be done within 12 hours, I am just .. lazy? (H)

jani

15-07-2006, 06:24:AM

notice the fakeness in his eyes, the discontent on his face.. he still has "Milan" written all over him.. :( ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Rob

15-07-2006, 06:25:AM

']notice the fakeness in his eyes, the discontent on his face.. he still has "Milan" written all over him.. :( ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
sure ...... :rolleyes:

Nimreitz

15-07-2006, 08:42:AM

']notice the fakeness in his eyes, the discontent on his face.. he still has "Milan" written all over him.. :( ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

You need a new user name. May I suggest "Banned from CL"

grim

15-07-2006, 09:02:AM

By the way, after the Lampard-Gerrard debacle at the World Cup, aren't you guys a little worried about how him and Ballack will function in the same midfield? I'm curious because I think Balla said before the World Cup that Ballack was probably the closest thing to Gerrard, so seeing him in the team would be a good sneak peak to what Lampard and Gerrard could do together. I think it's always going to be tough with two players who are used to playing a free role in their team.

same thoughts crossed my mind after i saw the "magical" Lampard-Gerrard duo at the world cup. I can't wait to see how Chelsea's midfield will work.

pede54

15-07-2006, 02:20:PM

The entire England squad was dysfunctional at the World Cup so its no surprise that Lampard and Gerrard dissapointed. I really have no idea how anyone can equate the Lamps/Gerrard partnership under Sven Errikson, with Ballack/Lamps under Jose. Its a completely different scenario altogether.

But you just keep hoping it will fail if you must. Given our squad this season I can understand other fans hoping and praying for a miracle. Do not underestimate the powers of the Special One. :)

Moreira_Benfica

15-07-2006, 03:08:PM

according to multiple sources SWP is close to being a member of Newcastle

TOON ARMY

15-07-2006, 03:42:PM

Yeah the SWP rumours seem quite strong. Roeder said in the press he wants proven premiership players with a point to prove. Perhaps it's just the media putting 2 and 2 together.

Tom

15-07-2006, 04:01:PM

SWP to Newcastle would be the best thing for both player and team.

Hope it happens.

pede54

15-07-2006, 04:31:PM

It wont. Newcastle have given up on it. Now they want Defoe.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/premiership/news/

Tom

15-07-2006, 04:31:PM

haha, as if you'd ever take Defoe over SWP (H)

God, we'll have SWP if he's going :D

Kaiser Payne

15-07-2006, 04:34:PM

Just interested to know what number will Ballack have.
Anyone knows?

TheBlueBalla

15-07-2006, 05:10:PM

I am seriously doubtful SWP will be leaving unless we are recouping nearly full value for him. Unlike a pithy transfer like Kezman's which cost us very little, SWP obviously cost alot and was hugely dissappointing.

Mourinho has stated his belief that Shaun will bounce back this year, and personally, I have to believe that. The arrival of Ballack will give us new opportunities to mess with the formation we play, which could mean more chances for him. He worked his ass off for the team last year, and was often just unlucky not to get goals. But some of his assists were just perfect. He works for the team, and we know Mourinho loves the team first ehtos

By the way, after the Lampard-Gerrard debacle at the World Cup, aren't you guys a little worried about how him and Ballack will function in the same midfield? I'm curious because I think Balla said before the World Cup that Ballack was probably the closest thing to Gerrard, so seeing him in the team would be a good sneak peak to what Lampard and Gerrard could do together. I think it's always going to be tough with two players who are used to playing a free role in their team.

So Gallas is staying now?

The team you posted is both young and very skilled. Id be really scared to face that, especially if you accented it with VanNistelrooy up front

But in regards to Ballack, I dont see why people keep relying on this simplistic crutch of "Ballack and Lampard are the same player" because they simply arent (not picking on you, everyone is saying this). Gerrard, to me, is a more offensively gifted version of Ballack. But the thing they have in common is they are very compotent two way players and can act as a midfield pivot and orchestrate offensive movement through passing. Right now we have

Lampard: love him, but one dimmensional. Purely offensive midfielder, to me, not nearly as much to offer with creating offense
Makelele: the prototype DM. Great passing, but doesnt get forward
Essien: Physical, fast, young, but without a defined role, and not good enough to be that pivot yet.
Obi Mikel: ????

What I envision for next year tactically is Lampard playing as he normally does, on the edge of the box behind the strikers, essentially as a second striker from midfield. Ballack, I believe, will have freedom to roam all over the center and will be tasked with linking play to our wingers more effectively. He didnt even have a great world cup and his passing really impressed me. Im sure in a defined role as a midfield creator, he would thrive. Makelele will be himself as always

thats why I post

Makelele
Ballack----------
Cole----Lampard----Robben

Rather than everyones

Makelele
Lampard------Ballack
SWP-----------------Duff

which I just dont see. This is the role I believe Jose had in mind when he took maniche on loan, and hopefully it gets filled adequately this time.

If Gallas stays and Del Horno goes I dont even care who we get to cover him, I'll piss myself with joy. If he stays with us now, and we extend him on a contract that befits his contributions to this team (100+ k a week) for a few more years, I think he could stay a blue for life. I hope. Gallas is the most underrated defender in the world. Pete, like your handiwork there man :funny:

TOON ARMY

15-07-2006, 05:40:PM

haha, as if you'd ever take Defoe over SWP (H)

God, we'll have SWP if he's going :D

Well we have Nobby and Milner on the right so i would actually prefer Defoe over SWP in these circumstances. :)

MaestroZidane

15-07-2006, 06:08:PM

With all those player, on paper it looks like you could walk away with the title.. Can anyone rellay challenge you guys??

TheBlueBalla

16-07-2006, 04:03:AM

Well, since we assumed the league was won by christmas last year and then had a 15 point lead cut in half, people can clearly challenge us

We need more damn rotation this year. Lamps needs to stop playing so many games, same with JT, and we need to start conserving our workhorses in matches where they are not immediately needed. Im all for respecting all opponents and everything, but end of the bench guys like Carlton Cole, Geremi or Johno barely ever started under Mourinho, and yet Lamps, Terry and Maka were always in matches with the likes of relegation stragglers. I know we sometimes struggle against them, but if there is the opportunity to earn starting places for squad players, then they will play harder.

RUSI

16-07-2006, 05:02:AM

I will lbe shocked if Essien doesn't start. He is such a bull.

Moreira_Benfica

16-07-2006, 02:42:PM

I will lbe shocked if Essien doesn't start. He is such a bull.

but who would they bench? i think Jose bought him to replace Makelele maybe next year

btw

Jose Shaved his hair :lui:

d3adly

17-07-2006, 04:06:AM

whose that 30-year old or sumfin goalkeeper jose bought this summer?

TheBlueBalla

17-07-2006, 04:13:AM

Hillario. Dont know why the hell he did unless he had a falling out with Carlo or something. Such a waste, considering we lost Pidge and this was Ma-Kalambay's chance to get a start or two. Or so I thought.

I think we should considering selling Carlo to an Italian club, hopefully Milan if Buffon goes overseas. He is too good and too loyal for his own good. Making him sit on the bench is a crime, considering the only starts he gets are pity ones
I will lbe shocked if Essien doesn't start. He is such a bull.
Welcome to our frustrations. At this club being young and talented will get you bought, but it has an even chance of stalling your development for years too

Rob

17-07-2006, 06:45:AM

As far as I am concerned, Essien is our best midfielder at the moment.

Nimreitz

17-07-2006, 08:37:AM

What I envision for next year tactically is Lampard playing as he normally does, on the edge of the box behind the strikers, essentially as a second striker from midfield. Ballack, I believe, will have freedom to roam all over the center and will be tasked with linking play to our wingers more effectively. He didnt even have a great world cup and his passing really impressed me. Im sure in a defined role as a midfield creator, he would thrive. Makelele will be himself as always

Ballack is gonna be pissed if he doesn't get to crash the box for headers. With Cole and Robben (and Duff I guess) providing the crosses, he would have a lot of good opportunities.

PaPaGeorGeo

17-07-2006, 08:50:AM

DUff is apparently going to the spuds from the bbc

jani

17-07-2006, 08:56:AM

hopefully now SWP gets more of a chance (Y)

PaPaGeorGeo

17-07-2006, 09:03:AM

Thats if Jose plays with Wingers

I though with the Shev he'd play a 4-4-2

TheBlueBalla

17-07-2006, 02:29:PM

WHAT THE F*CK IS THIS TEAM DOING??

Could this be the worst decision ever? I think so

Lets sell Duff to an up and coming rival team for, im sure, peanuts. If this is what SWP needs to succeed then f*ck him. Duffer is much better than any other winger we have at playing the wing in 4-4-2 system, and even if that is the case, we're left with two wingers because Cole can and should be playing centrally in such an arragenment

I dont believe this, im totally flabberghasted. My favorite and Roman's favorite Chelsea player being sold to cvnting tottenham.

Im going to hope and pray this is a bunch of crap, and then im going to cry and vomit if/when it goes down. This coupled with Wayne Bridge and Roberto Carlos are signs that Kenyon really has lost his mind

RUSI

17-07-2006, 02:34:PM

As far as I am concerned, Essien is our best midfielder at the moment.

I totally agree, it'd be a shae to see him on the bench just because others have bigger names.

Dreath

17-07-2006, 02:41:PM

Duff has been tripe for 18 months. 11 mill for him is a great deal for Chelsea.

Fernandez

17-07-2006, 02:46:PM

Duff is probably the best winger right now in the Premier League.

TOON ARMY

17-07-2006, 02:59:PM

Duff is too good to be part of a squad rotation. He needs football week in week out and he'll get that at Spurs.

In my eyes still the best winger around in the premiership. He has more end product than Robben.

TheBlueBalla

17-07-2006, 03:10:PM

Duff has been tripe for 18 months. 11 mill for him is a great deal for Chelsea.
sorry, but that's complete sh*t. He had an offyear this year, but was fine in the second half of last season.

This is such a disasterous transfer on every level. He is better two ways than Robben. He can play centrally in midfield. He can play the leftside on a flat midfield. Everyone insists he's 'past it' but he is a season removed from a career year and he's only still 27. He will get more time to start this year, i'd almost guarantee it, considering Robben has no place in a 4-4-2 really at all.

In my opinion we should be selling anyone but him, but the club seem to have their own ideas about who is good and who isnt.

Im absolutely smashed to hear about this news. I think im gonna get away from football for the next day or two

PaPaGeorGeo

17-07-2006, 03:47:PM

sorry, but that's complete sh*t. He had an offyear this year, but was fine in the second half of last season.

This is such a disasterous transfer on every level. He is better two ways than Robben. He can play centrally in midfield. He can play the leftside on a flat midfield. Everyone insists he's 'past it' but he is a season removed from a career year and he's only still 27. He will get more time to start this year, i'd almost guarantee it, considering Robben has no place in a 4-4-2 really at all.

In my opinion we should be selling anyone but him, but the club seem to have their own ideas about who is good and who isnt.

Im absolutely smashed to hear about this news. I think im gonna get away from football for the next day or two

I still say his overatted because he has a British background

TOON ARMY

17-07-2006, 04:24:PM

I still say his overatted because he has a British background

Duff isn't British though, he's Irish.

Rob

18-07-2006, 12:28:AM

I still say his overatted because he has a British background
:rolleyes:

TheBlueBalla

18-07-2006, 05:14:AM

Im beginning to think the Duff rumor is overblown as has been the Carlos rumor

Duffer was in training yesterday and nothing seemed at all amiss, and Mourinho was interviewed on Chelsea tv and claimed there would be "one more in, one more out" this summer. Del Horno is still a Chelsea player, but he is bags packed for Valencia (nice work, Pete). Unless Jose is making a serious faux pas on Del boy, that would indicate we are done for the summer with selling players

Now lets pray to Jesus, Allah, Buddah that the 'in' is an Italian and not a stocky, bald Brazilian douchebag

I still say his overatted because he has a British background
thats sarcasm, right? Because in 11 words, its actually a challenge to be that wrong

']hopefully now SWP gets more of a chance (Y)
the reason he doesnt get a chance is because people in front of him play well

see where im going with this?

$teauA

18-07-2006, 05:38:AM

The most respected Romanian sports paper is going nuts over Chelsea offering $100 million for Kaka. Is that pure BS or are other sports papers talking about it?

TheBlueBalla

18-07-2006, 05:47:AM

The most respected Romanian sports paper is going nuts over Chelsea offering $100 million for Kaka. Is that pure BS or are other sports papers talking about it?
Only rags. Seriously. There is no talk from the club, or any legit sources. Im sure everyone at the club would touch themselves thinking about it, but three years ago Berlusconi and Roman supposedly agreed not to waste their wealth against eachother. Kaka didnt want to come here, but he was the first one. I dont think it would be sporting to chase him now

Moreira_Benfica

18-07-2006, 08:21:PM

Hey guys i got a question involving fantasy league

who played more last year between cole/robben, and does anyone know who will play more this year?

thx

Rob

19-07-2006, 01:58:AM

Cole

Cole

Moreira_Benfica

19-07-2006, 02:14:AM

lol thanks

Siawash

19-07-2006, 05:17:AM

We have enough midfielders.

We need Zambrotta, not Carlos. And Robben wont get a chance in a 4-4-2.
I'd prefer we go for a 4-4-2 Diamond.
Team:

Cech
Paulo-Terry-Carvahlo-Gallas
Makalele
Ballack-----Lampard
Cole
Drobbbbb-Chevy :(

nird

19-07-2006, 12:53:PM

what's this I hear about chelsea bidding for káká at £48,000,000 (and Milan rejecting btw)? The Times wrote it. BS or true?

RUSI

19-07-2006, 03:48:PM

I don't understand why you guys would want another attacking midfielder ?

Nuno

19-07-2006, 04:59:PM

I really think the Kaka bid is a fake story. I mean come one. They already have Ballack, Lampard, and Makelele in their midfield. Not to mention Essien.

MaestroZidane

19-07-2006, 05:01:PM

Pure BS, Chelsea don't need kaka, they have enought attacking players. Also, kaka would know better :jambo:

goal_machine84

19-07-2006, 05:07:PM

you guys forgot maniche...but i guess he is gonna cook on the bench

Moreira_Benfica

19-07-2006, 05:39:PM

maniche is not on chelsea anymore

Siawash

19-07-2006, 06:07:PM

We dont. Kaka is great but no, probably some media bullsh*t.

Maniche has been long gone. He didn't impress a bit and we have Lampard, Cole, and Ballack who can cover that position so why waste 5 mil.

Moreira_Benfica

20-07-2006, 06:12:PM

BlueBalla this is gonna make u upset..

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=404576&CPID=8&clid=8&lid=2&title=Jose+ready+for+Duff+departure

TheBlueBalla

21-07-2006, 01:27:AM

Actually, im not as upset reading that as you might think. It tells me that the lines of communication are at least open, as he says there, and if Jose is listening to him and hearing out why he is considering a move, that can only be a step in the right direction. Jose has to make it crystal clear what the picture of the squad, specifically with our formation, will be next year. If we're looking to mix in 4-5 midfielders as alot of people say we are, Duffer and Joe Cole are the two wingers we absolutely dont want to lose because of their versatility. And if we play a flat midfield, can you see Robben on the wide left? The guy really cant defend. Duff can.

Its clear too that Jose rates him. He later went on to say that Duff would fetch a good fee if sold, but why we're considering selling him to Tottenham I dont know

Bottom line: if Jose lets Duff know what his plans are and that he is basically the first option on the left side, or even on the right, then I think Duffer will stay. He has made it repeatedly clear in the past he loves the club, Mourinho, and London. And he has to know how much the fans love him by now.

And also, later in that interview:

Mourinho has already revealed he will make at least one more signing this summer.

That player is likely to be a replacement for left-back Asier del Horno, who is close to a return to Spain, but Mourinho would not say if Arsenal left-back Ashley Cole was a potential target.

"Ashley is an Arsenal player so I'm not going to say anything. We have Wayne Bridge back from Fulham and he is a player that we trust," he said.

"We will see what happens with Asier del Horno and if (ahem, when) we sell him there will be space to buy a new player.

"Ashley Cole is a good player but we've been connected with every left-back in Europe."
(H) :rockman: (H) :rockman: (H)

I know its just talk, but (H) anyway. Roberto Carlos who?

TOON ARMY

21-07-2006, 11:14:AM

Must be just paper talk? http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/tm_objectid=17422639%26method=full%26siteid=94762% 26headline=duff-goes-to-toon-name_page.html

1966+2006

21-07-2006, 11:57:AM

yeah....come on it's from the mirror

TOON ARMY

21-07-2006, 12:02:PM

Teamtalk are reporting the same. http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,2483_1352481,00.html

It's usually not BS when more than one source are reporting it.

TheBlueBalla

21-07-2006, 03:40:PM

I don't understand why you guys would want another attacking midfielder ?
this is what alot of people dont understand. Not about Kaka, but about the fact that we have, in point of fact, 5 guys now who can play AM

Lampard who will play there
Ballack who can play there, as well as all over the midfield
Cole who used to play there
now we have Mikel, I guess
and Duff who does play there for Ireland

yet very rarely are these guys allowed to roam centrally. If I were Jose, looking to switch to say a 4-4-2 diamond, rather than droppping all wingers and inserting 4 mids, I would rather see something like this

--------Cole/Duff
Lamps/Mikel
--------------Ballack/Essien
------Maka/Diarra

I love Lampard, but he needs to be dropped when he isnt playing well like he was the latter half of this year. Thats just common sense. Nobody should be untouchable with the quality we have available

TheBlueBalla

21-07-2006, 07:13:PM

Oh and Rob, when youre finished being a lazy bastard (H) and decide to get the front page looking tip top, add this:

http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?t=123687

Link to the old thread, for posterity's sake. I think its cool being able to going three team threads back to see the old fans, the contemporary discussion, etc etc. Like you all talking about how we were dropping points to Villa and Veron was too injury prone. Oh how time marches on

Rob

21-07-2006, 11:59:PM

mika

22-07-2006, 12:08:AM

I been busy playing poker tournaments, qualified for a $500,000 event.

who is the gambler now

Rob

22-07-2006, 02:39:AM

who is the gambler now
I never said I don't gamble.

I just don't do it with other peoples money dipsh*t, instead I have a well organised bankroll that started off with 0, and through bonuses from websites is now $5000. So when you think about it, you still?

Besides, I won this tournament spot through a freeroll. :rolleyes:

Amount gambled : 0.
Amount lost : 0.
Amount lost by mika : -$2000 (haha Fulham (H))

Idiot.

Moreira_Benfica

22-07-2006, 04:24:AM

http://www.chelseafc.com/article.asp?hlid=404909&title=Duff+heads+to+Tyneside+for+medical&nav=news

Wow Duff To Newcastle

Wish Him The Best

good video of him

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-3819353893711353984&q=damien+duff

Rob

22-07-2006, 09:58:AM

TheBlueBalla

22-07-2006, 04:01:PM

Stupid move, stupid.

We will regret this. :(
Yes, yes we will. To think in 3 years I never got my favorite Chelsea player put on the back of just one shirt :| Oh well, it will be like a tribute now

My take: Duff to Newcastle is the best thing we couldve done, because as we all know Spurs and Liverpool were the other destinations. One report said something like "they balked at offering a player of such talent as Damien's to potential title rivals"

:rolleyes:

If they know he has such talent, then why are we giving him up in the first place?? This is the ultimate sign of his professionality, though. He's opted for playing time over a huge paycheck and for a perrenial underachiever over a title favorite. The fact that he wont be there if/when we lift the CL trophy makes me sad :(

Its also a fact, too, that he was restricted by Mourhino's system. He was never the player he was at Blackburn for Chelsea because I suppose he couldnt be. Hopefully he shows us and the rest of England what he can do in a system where he is given the freedom to roam offensively and create at will.

Newcastle were already like my "second favorite" if there is such a thing, as I love their fans, and pull for them when Chelsea isnt involved. But with Given, Parker, Duff, Owen and Emre, five of my favorite players in the world before four of them joined the Toon, its getting riddiculous. Speaking of Parker, this is the second, youngish, tough and domestic character player we have sold them in two years. Look how stupid Parker made our management look. Six million for him? Shouldve been 16 at least. I get the feeling Duff is going to make us look similarly stupid. And why are we selling guys like this? That goes for Eidur too. Lets face it: I like the work they do for the team, and some of them are very committed, but guys like Drogba, Robben, and Essien really are bitches alot of times. They take cheap fouls and make meals out of them, or they look to break legs way too often. I dont care how talented they are, I would much rather take a guy who is clean, puts his head down, and gets on with it rather than one that spends his time off the ball looking at the ref.

Bah, whatever. Del Horno is out the door next, and I cant say ill be nearly as sad to see him go. Now, im gonna go cry into a beer somewhere

Eidur and Duff in one summer. ONE F*CKING SUMMER. F*CK!!!

By the way, congrats on your fat wad of cash, Rob

jani

22-07-2006, 04:28:PM

Its actually kinda funny reading this. One would have thought after signing Sheva, Ballack, Kalou etc, a Chelsea fan wouldnt know the word "sad". :D

Looks like you do :(

Hendrik

22-07-2006, 04:32:PM

I like the work they do for the team, and some of them are very committed, but guys like Drogba, Robben, and Essien really are bitches alot of times. They take cheap fouls and make meals out of them, or they look to break legs way too often. I dont care how talented they are, I would much rather take a guy who is clean, puts his head down, and gets on with it rather than one that spends his time off the ball looking at the ref.

You're gonna love Michael Bollocks.

Fernandez

22-07-2006, 04:36:PM

I thought of calling him Michael Balless. :boohoo:

jani

22-07-2006, 04:39:PM

Bollocks = Crap? Ballack is not crap though :(

But Balless doesnt sound like Ballack :(

lets call him Michael Blackman :D

Moreira_Benfica

22-07-2006, 04:58:PM

or Michael Ballack?

anyways BlueBalls i agree with you, IMO I would have sold SWP or loaned him away duff is gonna be a great player for newcastle

SlowSilver

22-07-2006, 06:27:PM

BlueBalls :D

Moreira_Benfica

22-07-2006, 06:45:PM

o ****, my bad

jani

22-07-2006, 07:05:PM

haha I thought you did it on purpose. BlueBalls. wait, The Blue Balls :D

TheBlueBalla

22-07-2006, 11:31:PM

Hah, no need to apologize. That was the idea behind the name anyway, you know, buleballs. Its from a Raptors Online Beatwriter of the same name.

Anyway, yeah, im in mourining today. Because Ive returned from work and found that inside sources from the bridge claim we have placed a 16 million pound bid for Ashley Cole.

Ashley ****ing Cole.

Now, I was aware of Ballack's, or Bollock's less than stellar record regarding his team play and selflessness, and Vince had made that clear on many occasions. That Bayern was better as a unit without his talents. Now, were getting a guy who betrayed his club with no pretext other than making himself richer by meeting with a rival. Then after he patches things up, eventhough he was to blame, he goes out and slams his club in the press.

And to accomodate these individuals, we're losing in Bridge, Duff and Gudjohnsen three people whose only vices were saying "we" when referring to the Fulham side one was loaned to, sleeping 10+ hours a day, and a guy who had an offseason while playing out of position. Never have they spoken bad about the club. In fact quite the opposite. Duffer has been a known badge kisser, and Gudjohnsen was practically a co-"face" of this club along with JT, Lampard and Cole.

I remember people talking about the brilliance of Mourinho was that he had the ability to get the best out of his players, and making committed, versatile players excel the most in a team system. What has happened to that?

I know ive bitched alot these past few months, but football is actually making me depressed right now. If this summer gets any worse it might start rivaling 2003. Hopefully our next moves can be Joe Cole out Ronaldo in, and then Gallas out, Rio in. Quick Kenyon, enough tapping up, get on the phones son :|

Virgo

22-07-2006, 11:37:PM

anyone wanna bet Simao is off to Chelsea this week?

Mourinho said he would give it a serious thought if they sold a winger.

That or Valencia. The sure thing is that he wasn't at the Benfica presentation today and that means he is definitely off to somewhere this time.

TheBlueBalla

22-07-2006, 11:51:PM

Simao I wouldnt mind, definately a star in the making, and seems like a solid team individual. But to me, Simao for Duff is, if anything, just getting us slightly younger, and slightly more skill oriented.

Alot of people feel that there is no new winger coming in, since Kalou is versatile and Cole can switch. In my opinion, Cole shouldnt even be a winger, but whatever

Edit: oh yeah, and we sold Del boy officially for 5 million. Thanks and good luck in Spain dude.

jani

23-07-2006, 02:57:AM

Isnt Simao a whiny biatch as well? :D

Fernandez

23-07-2006, 05:18:AM

At least he can hit a free-kick.

Bobby

23-07-2006, 06:22:AM

']Isnt Simao a whiny biatch as well? :D

Yes

Moreira_Benfica

23-07-2006, 04:23:PM

he isn't going to Chelsea they got other players of his position better then him.. IMO He's going to Valencia

TheBlueBalla

24-07-2006, 12:44:AM

Has he been linked to Valencia? If they manage to get him, their team will have some jaw dropping offensive talent

Anyway, I didnt realize Simao was 26-7 already. Im not sure if we are going to replace Duff with another winger, or if we're ready to use Kalou as a viable replacement, but given Robben's ankles of glass, I think it might be too risky winding up with just Cole and SWP to play wide. It might restrict our options too much, and considering Lampard, Ballack, Essien etc arent really outside mids or havent played there, i'd be wary

Im tempted by Ricardo Quaresma from both the Portugese connection and the fact that he, like Cole, has improved his all around game, plus he has a few years on Simao and would likely cost less. If we ever had to face Barca again, I cant imagine another guy that i'd wanna go to war with

jani

24-07-2006, 02:28:AM

man, you didnt realize Simao is that old? come on, the lad was at Barca quite some years back.

Quaresma too!

wonder what happened to another winger they had, Geovanni.

Moreira_Benfica

24-07-2006, 02:36:AM

']man, you didnt realize Simao is that old? come on, the lad was at Barca quite some years back.

Quaresma too!

wonder what happened to another winger they had, Geovanni.

Quaresma never got a chance at barca then when he went to porto he shined he was amazing this year... huge young talent. Geovanni went to brazil i think

TheBlueBalla

24-07-2006, 03:03:AM

Vedran-10

24-07-2006, 07:52:AM

Yeah, I had forgotten about Simao's Barca years. Unspectacular as they were. His youthful appearance threw me off, though. Still, Quaresma has 4 years on Simao, and his star is on the rise. I doubt Simao will ever get better than he is for Benfica now, whereas Quaresma's celing, now that he has his career back on track, looks to be limitless

When you think about the amazing amounts of talent that Barca have let slipped through their fingers: Quaresma, Simao, Fabregas, Saviola. That would make me ill if I was a Barca fan

Not really.

Quaresma got his chance, but he failed to impress. He was like a kid playing with his ball all alone. He's probably better now because he realized there are other players on the pitch other than him. In all, it was his fault he got sold. Had he deserved it, we would have kept him.

Simao. Maybe we didn't have to sell him. I concede this one.

Fabregas is a traitorous bitch who is fond of Real Madrid. We were lucky to get rid of him. Plus, we have Iniesta, for whom I think is at least equally as good.

Saviola is skilled and everything, but he seems not too interested in the Club's wishes. His salary is too big for a player who is either on the bench or on loan. We're not Abramovič and we can't afford this. This is the main reason why we wanna sell him. He's also a Gaspart signing so that doesn't help his case. Rijkaard doesn't like him and he thinks Saviola wouldn't fit in our system. So you see, a lot of things have made us want to sell Saviola.

Out of those four, I think only Simao could have stayed, but I don't regret him leaving. He wouldn't have made a difference in a team we had back then. It's best to leave some bad things behind and move on to brighter ones.

And you aren't ill when you have Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Messi, Puyol, Deco, Xavi, Eidur, Zambrotta, Thuram and Marquez in your team. (H)

Num Lock

24-07-2006, 08:52:AM

wasn't there a problem with saviola's last loan spell, where the team wanted to buy him but barca wanted too much money for him?.

he did good in Monaco too, but Monaco couldn't bring him in either because of the price tag barca had on him.

RUSI

24-07-2006, 01:27:PM

looks like Crespo is going to be out soon.

Chelsea(Abromovich) have treated him with great respect. I wish he wasn't so convinced with playing in Italy, but he loves living there. Unfortunate.

RuiCosta_10

24-07-2006, 01:50:PM

']man, you didnt realize Simao is that old? come on, the lad was at Barca quite some years back.

Quaresma too!

wonder what happened to another winger they had, Geovanni.

Didn't you watch Champions League last year? Geovanni was important for us at the games against United and 'Pool...

Anyway, if you guys actually get Simão, and if Mourinho can manage to make him play like he did before the injury in 2002, you got yourselves a f*cking fantastic winger. Although he is probably our most important player, in the season before the injury, he was one of the best wingers of the world, time would prove it... Unfortenately (sp?), that injury f*cked him :(

Stotty

24-07-2006, 02:04:PM

Simao Sabrosa looks set to leave Benfica in the near future, the club have confirmed.

The Portuguese international was left out of Benfica's pre-season victory over Bordeaux on Saturday and, following the game, president Luis Felipe Vieira admitted Simao had been left out for a reason.

"The absence of Simao from the pitch is justified," said Vieira.

"In a few days the cause will be known."

Already Liverpool and Valencia are being tipped as the most likely suitors.

Both have been long-term admirers of the player and could very well be showing a renewed interest.

Coach Fernando Santos admitted he was told not to involve the midfielder.

"Simao has not played by order of the club," he added.

Spartak Moscow's Ukraine ace Maxim Kalinichenko is already being linked as a possible replacement.

TheBlueBalla

24-07-2006, 03:59:PM

I personally cant see us getting him. And Liverpool have failed like three summers in a row now. El Che are getting the job done this offseason and dont seem to be messing around so I wouldnt be surprised if he ends up in Valencia.

If what RC10 said is correct and injury has screwed him over, im pretty wary, because we will likely dish out twice what he is worth to get him. Still, i have serious trouble believing Mourinho can get the "best" offense out of a player

looks like Crespo is going to be out soon.

Chelsea(Abromovich) have treated him with great respect. I wish he wasn't so convinced with playing in Italy, but he loves living there. Unfortunate.
Yeah, I was shocked to read this morning that he was still under contract. I was almost positive we signed him for 3 years, and he had never extended with us. Why would we or he have extended? He hated London the first time around, and we barely managed to convince him to come back from loan.

But I think the "valuation" the club are insisting on will soon be there. Milan are in need of some forward quality, and I think the fact that they have been quiet on signings thus far this summer might be a sign theyre banking on Crespo. Hopefully we get a deal with them done and continue to be business partners

And you aren't ill when you have Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Messi, Puyol, Deco, Xavi, Eidur, Zambrotta, Thuram and Marquez in your team. (H)
Dont tell me youre trying to rub it in :| :( I just meant that its a shame all that talent wasnt able to pan out. I didnt know Fabregas was so hated. Isnt that Fran Meira kid headed the same way?

TheBlueBalla

24-07-2006, 04:24:PM

By the way, im sure you've all heard, but I feel this latest slap in the face deserves a new post

We let Duff go for five million pounds. i.e. less than we sold Mateja Kezman for

That is incontrovertable evidence that we didnt want to keep him despite all the bullsh*t we hear out of the club. We even retained Crespo for an extra year, Crespo who publicly stated he didnt want to play in England. I think ill fly to london tomorrow and batter that bald asshole Kenyon to death with my keyboard

He is going to humiliate us by scoring against us, and I hope Newcastle is in the title mix next year, because if not he may get sold again, and if that happens Liverpool and Ferguson will be the first in line at the door to get him.

And this club is officially a financial laughinstock. We will never break even or be independant of Roman with braindead c*nts like Peter Kenyon running things

MaestroZidane

24-07-2006, 05:25:PM

pede54

24-07-2006, 05:38:PM

Duff wanted guarenteed time on the pitch and Chelsea cannot give him that guarentee. So he decided he would rather go somewhere where he would play regular football. He even stated today that given the choice between medals and playing time, he would, at his age, always opt for the playing time. He thanked Chelsea for not standing in his way and also for allowing a low transfer fee to enable certain clubs to be able to afford him. He's on £60,000 a week at chelsea so the Toon will have to match that wage bill I would think.

I'm gutted he has left of course, but I think the way Chelsea have handled his move, in his favour is commendable. We could have told him he is staying and that would be that, but its good that the club listen and take interest in the desires of their players.

We are a club who can only pretty much guarantee playing time to a select few in the squad. If there are players who dont like that or in Duffers case, sees time running down in his career, then its right that they leave. They come to the club knowing what the system is like so they should be less surprised if they find themselves being rotated.

I feel that once Jose has THE team in place, rotation will become less frequent anyway.

Anyhow, all the best to Duffer. Definately a fans favourite and also a very nice bloke. I know Jose is gutted over him leaving, he was very fond of Damien. (NOT in THAT way..... :hump: )

Vedran-10

24-07-2006, 05:41:PM

Dont tell me youre trying to rub it in :| :( I just meant that its a shame all that talent wasnt able to pan out. I didnt know Fabregas was so hated. Isnt that Fran Meira kid headed the same way?

No mate, I was just bustin' your balls.

The talent would undoubtably pan out had those boys had the patience to stick around. Look at Iniesta, Xavi, Puyol... they are proof that youngsters can indeed emerge from La Masia and win a place in the team. When you look at the fact that Fabregas bailed, you can ask yourself about his true value and quality. He obviously gave up on Barca and decided to go for a few extra euros, and to a team that would virtually guarantee him a starting spot, as Wenger is all about youth talent. Francesc Fabregas is a betraying ****, just like his follower Fran Merida, who couldn't wait for a chance to leave.
I mean, think about Barcelona now. We have everything going for us, and our economic situation is improving, as well. We're champions of Europe and that team contains of a few players from La Masia. What kind of a weak and traitorous b*tch does one have to be to give up a dream of becoming the next Puyol or Xavi, just to move to another club, who cannot offer the same feeling like Barcelona. Well, one can. Real Madrid is the destination if you're a traitor, because they gather over there. I hear Fabregas speaks of Madrid as the best club in the world. I saw it in a sig on xtratime. It's no wonder.

If I had a shot at Barca B or C, I'd spent my entire career if necessary, just to try and make it into the first team. I cannot understand the lack of spirit these mercenaries have and how they didn't develop a certain love for the club they grew up with. One day, Fabregas will be a Madrid player. That's a safe bet for the future. Maybe tomorrow, maybe when he's 31, but he eventually will sign for Madrid. It's just one of those things that go with each other.

Ok, I'll stop talking about this now. Sorry for the non-Chelsea related post.

Nice sig, Balla.

MaestroZidane

24-07-2006, 06:26:PM

Moreira_Benfica

24-07-2006, 11:07:PM

crespo out to soon, says Abro even ofered him a home in italy, a private jet and more money

Rob

24-07-2006, 11:14:PM

Kenyon is an idiot.

Simple.

Let me run the club, I will do things the right way.

TheBlueBalla

25-07-2006, 12:31:AM

Amen. A-men. I get the feeling that if a fan were running this club, its fans would be much happier, but thats just me

crespo out to soon, says Abro even ofered him a home in italy, a private jet and more money
He, much like Shevchenko did in Italy, has stated that the club or pay is not the problem and that he wants to leave for his personal and family happiness, irrespective of the clubs desire to keep him. And much like Shevchenko, I think Milan are the other team in this impending transfer. I only hope the "we want our valuation" statement today doesnt signal the start of another battle over him.

Pete, your presence has been missed, because immediately you come on here and make a good point. The team have at least handled the player extremely well, giving him the option of staying, and then selling him to a non rival and breaking the relationship as befitting a fan and owner favorite. The most troubling thing about this sale to me, though, is that it sets a bad precedent firstly for players who have only one off year to see themselves shipped out. If thats the case, the pressure of playing for this club might just become too immense for alot of people. The case of SWP, retaining someone after a "bust" year gives me a bit of hope, but Duff had three years, one of injury, one of excellence, and one of subpar performance. But even when not on top form, he was still a consummate team player, and never uttered a peep about playing time, despite being THE star on his national team. Secondly, this transfer makes me think that if a fan favorite, a guy who has demonstrated love for the club, a manager favorite, a well like lockerroom guy and the owner's favorite player (an owner that can buy virtually anyone on planet earth) is ripe to be sold, then who exactly is untouchable here? Guddy's sale was much the same thing but to a lesser extent. But anyway, whats done is done, ill stop my crying in a few days time.

The Apparrent news of the afternoon

The sale of Del Horno is official. Supposedly it was 5 million (seems to be a common number)
http://www.chelseafc.com/article.asp?hlid=405242&m=7&y=2006&nav=news&sub=latest+news

Some good news: Bridge is back with Robben for some training. Means little I guess, but if the guy is back at Cobham, hopefully he is in Jose's plans. Plans which I hope exclude Assley Cole
http://www.chelseafc.com/article.asp?hlid=405357&m=7&y=2006&nav=news&sub=latest+news

And here was a great tribute to Duff. I was quite becalmed reading this to see that he parted ways so amicably and knows how much the club valued him, despite the price, that we wouldnt sell to Rottenham or Liverpool. But if, as it says here, he opted for Newcastle for the sake of Chelsea, then I really have to tip my cap to the guy
http://www.chelseafc.com/article.asp?hlid=405047&m=7&y=2006&nav=news&sub=latest+news
Duff the child champion who wants to play
Saturday, Jul 22, 2006
Duff the child champion who wants to play

Damien Duff, double Premiership winner with Chelsea, became so much of a Chelsea fan that it is believed he turned down the chance to join UEFA Cup qualified Tottenham, and has moved to Newcastle instead.

He loved everything at Chelsea. But in the end, he loved something more: playing football. And that is why he felt it best to leave.

“I’m just a kid really, all I want to do is play,” he revealed last week at the training ground. “The money side’s not important to me. I don’t want to be one of those guys who plays ten games a year and picks up their cheques. I can’t do that. I want to play.”

And it was his belief he would get less opportunity to play this season. But over his three years at Chelsea he certainly got plenty of chances.

All the same, it was a very tearful end to his Chelsea days today when he said goodbye to his colleagues after training.

He was a £17m club record purchase in the first summer of Roman Abramovich. He settled quickly, setting up both goals in a 2-1 win at Middlesbrough, scoring his first in a 5-0 victory at Wolves, scoring his first Champions League goal with a wonderful dribble and shot in the 4-0 spanking of Lazio in Rome, and then notching his first Chelsea Stamford Bridge goal past his international pal Shay Given as Newcastle were trounced 5-0.

But just before Christmas he dislocated his shoulder in a fall away to Fulham, and although he came back quickly it was dislodged again in training, and at the end of that season he underwent an operation.

As he got fit at the beginning of the following campaign, new manager José Mourinho, who admitted not to knowing him well, bade his time before giving him his first start away to Middlesbrough. Duff stayed in the side for the rest of the season.

When Arjen Robben was introduced and Chelsea played 4-3-3 with the two of them wide either side of Eidur Gudjohnsen or Didier Drogba, Chelsea were tearing teams apart. Duff and Robben were awesome and top of the entertainment scale. At one stage he scored the first goal in six out of nine games, and didn’t start one of them. In under two months Chelsea scored four in a game six times.

He played all 120 minutes of Chelsea’s first trophy winning match in over four years, the 2005 Carling Cup, having scored the semi-final winner at Old Trafford against Manchester United. He scored the third goal in the dazzling 4-2 victory over Barcelona in the Champions League. He played 48 games, starting 42 and being substitute in six more, and scored ten goals in an outstanding campaign as Chelsea won the Premiership and reached the semi-final of the Champions League. But he missed the semi-final against Liverpool with a hamstring injury, and Chelsea missed him and went out.

With Joe Cole and Robben both fit, he kept his place for the start of last season and began brightly, winning the Community Shield, scoring at Tottenham and Liverpool and getting his share of assists. But at home to Liverpool in the Champions League in December, he injured his achilles and never found his rhythm again. He continued to work hard and was often an excellent substitute, at home to Tottenham for instance, but he couldn’t rediscover his spark.

He found Cole moving ahead of him, and he was more often on the bench with Cole and Robben starting.

But he won his second Premiership medal and had secured four trophies in two years.

Now with the purchase of Andriy Shevchenko and the signing of Michael Ballack, and with the possibility of Chelsea playing with a midfield four this season, he has decided it is best to move on in order to play.

He managed 125 games for Chelsea, made up of 95 starts and 30 substitute appearances, and scored 19 goals. He will be remembered as someone who always gave his all, and was capable of being very special, especially in tandem with Robben or Cole. Most of all, he will be remembered as a champion, a Chelsea fan — and a boy at heart.

by Neil Barnett
I'll always remember that third goal he scored against Barcelona, and that one he combined with Robben for in Moscow.

:(

Siawash

25-07-2006, 02:24:AM

Omar, I love the sig man. :(

Del Horno is god in my FM game, too bad he isn't that good in real life. :(

Kulixs

25-07-2006, 02:48:AM

I was just thinking, do you chelsea fans reckon Lampard could have the same trouble with Chelsea next season that he does with England? That being he could suffer in the same way he does when he plays with Gerrard because of Ballacks presence in midfield?

Moreira_Benfica

25-07-2006, 02:53:AM

I'll always remember that third goal he scored against Barcelona, and that one he combined with Robben for in Moscow.

:(

or his assist on the winning John Terry goal

Siawash

25-07-2006, 02:59:AM

That was a corner kick though, stop making us sad. :(

$teauA

25-07-2006, 04:26:AM

So what's the starting line-up now? I would guess something like this:

-----------------Chech---------------

Ferreira----Gallas------Terry----Bridge

---------------Makelele--------------

---Cole--------------------Robben---

---------Ballack-------Lampard-------

-------------Shevchenko-------------

I just don't see where Essien would fit (:/). BTW now that Del Horno is gone is Bridge the best option you have at LB? If he returns to the same form that he was in before the injury then you have a hell of a player but if not who will you use? Gallas and put Carvalho in his place at CB?

-----

Selling Duff was a mistake. He was definitely one of my favorite players at Chelsea. Just because he had one not so great season doesn't mean that he's not a solid player. What will happen if Robben goes down?

-----

Is Gudjohnsen on loan at Barca or was he sold? I think he's gonna have a great season for them.

RUSI

25-07-2006, 04:27:AM

Gudjohnsen was sold.

I thought Mourinho was going to play 4-4-2?

Kulixs

25-07-2006, 04:33:AM

Didn't Mourinho claim he was going to play Shevchenko and Drogba together? I have a slight feeling Robben may not start. Theres no way he can drop Cole as he had such a good season last term, and I get the vibe Robben isn't in Mourinhos good books because of his reluctance to play happily after injuries.
The team might go like this as Mourinho is suggesting he may not want to use wingers after selling Duff.

------------ Cech -----------

Ferreira-----Terry---Gallas-----Bridge

------------Makelele----------

------------ Ballack ----------

----------Cole -----Lampard------

--------Drogba------- Sheva -------

Fernandez

25-07-2006, 04:08:PM

He might convert to 3-5-2, that's just my opinion though.

TheBlueBalla

25-07-2006, 04:20:PM

You guys are all starting to spell out the problems and question marks which now occupy my head and im sure the heads of many fans. Just what is Mourinho planning for this season, and do we have the personell for it?

Essien fits, within the confines of a 4-4-2, but the problem we have with the diamond midfield is that we have no guys that can play naturally at the corners of that midfield and move laterally to cover the wings. I think Essien can sit on the rightside as he is versatile and I think has been a rightsider in the past, and Duff couldve sat on that leftside because of his size and ability to defend. Now, the only other one I could trust with that is Joe Cole, because like hell i'd entrust Robben or SWP with actually having to defend a winger or wide mid. Now, if we DONT opt for such wide wings on a diamond, and just go with a compact midfield, then we get crushed like we did at Liverfool. Ferreira and Bridge are simply not going to provide the necesscary offense to carry the whole right and left side. Enter Ashley Cole :| and that is probably the last player on earth I would want to get. Even Roberto Carlos is more welcome than him (on a side note, supposedly. SUPPOSEDLY, the Arse rejected a 16 million pound bid for him, by us. If rumors are true, they want 25. If we pay 25 million for that backstabbing little sh*t, ill throw myself off a bridge, no pun intended)

Jose's plans, as far as I can tell, is to mix things up between a four and three midfielder set. He better plan on going back to a 4-3-3 every now and then, because he's bought one winger, one part time winger, and converted another player into one, so id be pretty pissed if he abandoned it completely.

Again, even with playing a 4-4-2 flat, I forsee problems. Not only would we concievably have to drop Essien for sure, and possibly Makelele, but again our flanks would be exposed because of some of our wingers lack of size and lack of defense. Cole and Duff on the wings in a flat midfield set wouldve been perfect. Both can cross through the air extremely well and both can get back to defend. But when looking at a player like Robben, for example

Sheva--Drogba
Robben---------------Cole/SWP
Lampard------Ballack
Bridge--------------------------Ferreira
Terry---Gallas
Cech

is how id rather see it shakedown. Essentially here we would be playing four attackers and leaving the fullbacks to roam forward to fill the gap near midfield. It would leave us exposed quite a bit, yes, but it we would also score alot (id trade more scoring for more conceeded right now) and our halfbacks and keeper are possibly the most talented trio on earth at the back, so we should be fine. Only thing is, Makelele might need to be in this formation, because he essentially becomes a third defender who can roam forward.

The wildcard in a flat midfield formation would be Geremi. He hasnt played in midfield recently, but he can definately do it, and I would trust him on the rightside, because he is essentially a defensive wing option. Another one wouldve been Glen Johnson, who is brilliant offensively, but the club actually showed patience with him and loaned him to pompey (thankfully) rather than just selling him

One way or another, the player whose time is probably going to suffer most would surely be Essien, sadly. Anyway, thats my two cents, for what theyre worth

He might convert to 3-5-2, that's just my opinion though.
I think he values defense too much. But it would allow him to play all our CB's together and have a 3 man midfield with the wingers, so who knows

Deanos, regarding the Lampard Ballack connection in midfield, I feel Ballack is far more of a two way player than Lampard, and more so than Gerrard, so I think with strict roles, they will be ok.

No mate, I was just bustin' your balls.

The talent would undoubtably pan out had those boys had the patience to stick around. Look at Iniesta, Xavi, Puyol... they are proof that youngsters can indeed emerge from La Masia and win a place in the team. When you look at the fact that Fabregas bailed, you can ask yourself about his true value and quality. He obviously gave up on Barca and decided to go for a few extra euros, and to a team that would virtually guarantee him a starting spot, as Wenger is all about youth talent. Francesc Fabregas is a betraying ****, just like his follower Fran Merida, who couldn't wait for a chance to leave.
I mean, think about Barcelona now. We have everything going for us, and our economic situation is improving, as well. We're champions of Europe and that team contains of a few players from La Masia. What kind of a weak and traitorous b*tch does one have to be to give up a dream of becoming the next Puyol or Xavi, just to move to another club, who cannot offer the same feeling like Barcelona. Well, one can. Real Madrid is the destination if you're a traitor, because they gather over there. I hear Fabregas speaks of Madrid as the best club in the world. I saw it in a sig on xtratime. It's no wonder.

If I had a shot at Barca B or C, I'd spent my entire career if necessary, just to try and make it into the first team. I cannot understand the lack of spirit these mercenaries have and how they didn't develop a certain love for the club they grew up with. One day, Fabregas will be a Madrid player. That's a safe bet for the future. Maybe tomorrow, maybe when he's 31, but he eventually will sign for Madrid. It's just one of those things that go with each other.

Ok, I'll stop talking about this now. Sorry for the non-Chelsea related post.

Nice sig, Balla.
Fair points man, and I knew you were joking ;)

I agree with you to a point. I mean, if I was 24-5 and I still stood a very very slim chance of the first team and any playing time, I would probably take an offer from an Osasuna or a second division club regretfully, but sometimes playing time is more important for a player to actually go somewhere.

However, leaving at 16-7 isnt the same thing. I had no idea he was so admiring of Madrid. I thought Wenger just plucked him and promised him a good wage and a starting place now, and he couldnt say no. But the fact that he seems so spiteful of the club that weaned him and helped make him into such a talent is pretty disgusting. But you can say that Arsenal have alot of players who are willing to do the same, i.e. Campbell, Flammini, and now even Ashley Cole to them. And for the record man, even non-Chelsea posts are welcomed by you and your Barca buddies in here. You guys and you especially are all very intelligent and friendly posters, and we appreciate your insight and knowledge anytime you share it.

And thanks guys for the compliments regarding the sig. :$ I had dreamed this one up in my head a couple of days ago. I just hope I dont have to ask SlowSilver to put Gallas, Bridge or Carlo in it in the next few days :|

Fernandez

25-07-2006, 04:25:PM

Blueballa, ever considered applying for a pundit position in those football shows? (C)

Vedran-10

25-07-2006, 05:18:PM

Balla (Y)

---------------------Čech

Ferreira---------Terry-----Carvalho-----Gallas

----------------Makelele/Essien

--------------------------Lampard
--------------Ballack

Cole------------------------------------Robben

----------------Shevchenko

Do you have an alternative for Ferreira? I don't rate him, really.
I think that Gallas-Carvalho has more quality than any pair containing Bridge. Carvalho is overrated, but I still see him as a better player than Bridge.
It's obvious Makelele and Essien will rotate, but I'd like to see Makelele more often. Essien is a leg breaker, as far as I'm concerned. Makelele is class.
Lampard and Ballack would be the CMs, with Ballack going forward as AMC. I never saw Lampard as an attacking mid. Don't know why.
Cole and Robben are a nice pair but I don't know who would play instead of Robben, because he will eventually pick up an injury.
Sheva improves your team a lot, unlike Ballack, who I think was an unnecessary signing. He can offer a few individual moves and not a lot for the team, which Chelsea are first and foremost.
Cole is the best player in your team. I think if you lose Robben, you can put Ballack as CM with Lampard, put Cole as AMC and have Drogba partner Sheva.

But I think the main issue for Chelsea is your style of play. If you actually start playing football, as in attack and destroy the opposition, you'll be far stronger than you would be if you kept your current philosophy. You have the players to dominate the pitch, not just sit back and wait for counters. Chelsea would be a nice team to watch, if you would just open up some more. You definitely have the defense to make up for any mistakes. I also think it's the only way for you to challenge us or any other big team for the CL. You have to play more football, not just let the opposition do whatever they want with the ball. It works in the EPL but it obviously doesn't in Europe.

Moreira_Benfica

25-07-2006, 05:38:PM

why carvalho on the bench? Carvalho in the center and gallas on the left is much better then galls in the center and bridge on the left

Daz

25-07-2006, 05:48:PM

wasn't Gallas getting really pissed off with playing on the left all the time? Bridge on the left is a far better option than having Carvalho anywhere near the pitch.

Virgo

25-07-2006, 05:56:PM

Gallas will play on the left and Carvalho will start with Terry if no other LB is bought. If not Gallas and Carvalho will rotate.

Mourinho is not stupid and Carvalho showed at the WC once more that he's easily in the Top5 CBs in the world.

If Gallas refuses to sign a new contract I predict he'll be riding the bench even more.

btw I think Mourinho will definitely play a 442 Diamond and keep the 433 as alternative. He wouldn't be selling Duff if he planned to keep on using 433.

---------Makelele---------
----Lampard ---- Essien---
----------Ballack----------
------Drogba--Sheva------

something like this. Some of you really still don't know Mourinho yet. He'd never field a starting lineup with only Makelele as the defensive minded midfielder. Mourinho's tactics are all about defensive security first.

TheBlueBalla

25-07-2006, 06:24:PM

We got battered the last time we played a 4-4-2 diamond becasue we have no width in that formation. None of the midfielders you filled in there have the versatility to drift out wide and spread the field. And with the fullbacks we have right now simply cannot provide it. Period. Joe Cole is going to have to be in any midfield diamond we play to operate on the flanks. I agree that Mourinho will not leave the midfield exposed defensively, but I think he is banking on Ballack's flexibility in midfield to play both ways and transistion successfully

William Gallas nearly left because he felt he was underappreciated and wanted to go somewhere where he is played and treated like the world class defender he has become. As good as Ricardo Carvalho is, Gallas is better both in this league and for this team, and playing him for another season out of position would be complete idiocy. We nearly saw him leave once, and if Mourinho thinks he can just play him wherever and get away with it for another season, I dont thnink he is going to like the results. On top of that, playing him wide in a system where offense needs to come from the fullbacks is a mistake becasue while he is athletic, he cannot provide the offensive punch that Bridge can. Bridge is offensively gifted enough to be a poor mans winger, and in my opinion he is as solid as Ferreira defensively. Why Mourinho doesnt rate him i'll never know, but I hope he is back for good this time

If Ricardo Carvalho cannot accept sharing time in the middle and spending some time on the bench, well, im sorry, because its time for him to be sold.

ZKA: Ferreira I rate very highly. Not spectacular at anything, but just very solid all around. Ive read many Porto fans talking about his ability to be offensive when asked to, and though I havent seen it yet here, maybe he shows a bit of it this year. Plus, he is very solid on the left wing if we wanted to put Gallas or Geremi temporarily in his spot on the right.

By the way, im not being argumentative with everyone just to be a dick, but I just dont think that slapping Gallas in the face again like that is any way to go about it. Then again, with some of the laughable personell decisions this team has made in the last 2 months, I'd say that its more than likely.

And for the record, Fernandez, getting paid to talk about/write about a sport would be my wet dream come to life :D

$teauA

25-07-2006, 06:24:PM

If the wingers can't play both ends as you say BlueBalla, wouldn't Ballack and Lampard pick up on some of that defensive marking? They can both play defense pretty well and with Cech in goal and with Terry and Gallas in front of him and Makelele as the DM why wouldn't Lamps and Ballack move to the wings on the defensive side of the field to help out the Coles and Robbens who can't play defense if their life depended on it.

RUSI

25-07-2006, 06:29:PM

I agree, I think Chelsea are going to only be able to play a 4-5-1 for best results...

pede54

25-07-2006, 06:47:PM

I agree completely fella's, but the big thing about keeping Gallas is to assure him that he will only be played in his favoured position as a CB, and not as a left / right back. I think he would have to agree to fill in on the flanks occasionally, but to pencil him in as our first choice left back will only ensure his departure from Chelsea. He has been very versatile for us over the seasons, with only the occasional moan about being played out of position, so I think he does deserve to be listened to, and his positional priorities allowed to him as much as possible. I think this is why Jose will still buy a left back, to allow Billy his place next to JT. Whether that full back is Asley Cole or Carlos remains to be seen.

I must admit that I would not mind in the least Ashley Cole coming to the Bridge. I understand the questions over his "morality" resulting in the business between Arsenal and ourselves but, not knowing what his relationship with Arsenal was like prior to the "tapping up" case, I am not in a position to question his intentions.

All I know is this. That he is possibly the best left back we could get. His qualities as a player are first class and he just gets better and better all the time.

One other thing that endears him to me is the same thing that alienates Omar. He went behind Arsenals back to come to us. Now this is just me but, anyone who finds the opportunity to ass fu<k Arsenal AND take it, is alright in my book. With that action, he is already on the first rung of the ladder in the legend stakes. He will do for me.

At Chelsea, you will not find a player involved in tapping up episodes. If a player wants out, he says so. If we cant persuade him to stay then we help him move on. Maybe its not like that at Arsenal. Maybe the regieme is tougher and players are made to play out their contracts whether they are happy or not.
I get the feeling that Arsenal will sack anyone when they feel the need to, and they do very often, but this seems like a one way thing. If Cole wanted out, but was told "no way", then I can see some resentment forming there. There has been some crap going on behind the scenes at Arsenal even before the Cole / Chelsea thing, so before I cast opinions about anything I would like to know more about the background. It was not all about money thats for sure. Sol Campbell was hinting at the divisions within the squad ages before Cole approached us. Sol also talked about the English lads also getting a lot less attention from Wenger than the rest of the squad. I remember he said that he fell out with the "frenchies" when Arsenal won the title at White Hart Lane, and he refused to come back out onto the pitch and rub it in to the Spurs fans. This angered some players and Wenger, and the story has it that Sol, and either Henry or Viera came to blows in the tunnel over it. From that day on Sols love affair with Arsenal was over. Do you think this bad feeling tempered over the seasons? Apparantly not, so maybe that is what brings us to this situation with Cole signing for us. We will know for sure what went on at Arsenal one day, but until then I am happy to welcome Cole to Chelsea tomorrow.

Vedran-10

25-07-2006, 10:35:PM

Yeah, I'd rather have Gallas as CB than Carvalho. I think Gallas is world class, easily in the top 5 CBs. I wanted him at Barca, but he seemed to have patched things up with Chelsea so I hope he plays as the starting CB this season, and has a good year.

Fernandez

26-07-2006, 04:46:AM

Chelsea can play a three-man defence though to accomodate Gallas, Terry and Carvalho if they don't get a left-back.

TheBlueBalla

26-07-2006, 04:58:AM

Gallas is pretty much the most athletic player we have. He can cover the wings and defend very well out there because of his speed and quickness, but those same qualities make him PERFECT to partner Terry. Gallas is the clinical athlete and Terry is the positional battering ram. Carvalho doesnt fit as well becuase he is basically a slightly lesser version of Terry. Good passing, very strong in the tackle, but as a pair they just arent as solid. And Carvalho has this tendency to piss people off by defending complacently in England by giving opponents space, and then suddenly making a last, desperate lunge to clear or foul or tackle. He tends to conceede alot of freekicks.

As Pete said, Gallas was displaced for a long time and only bitched occasionally. He was wildly underpaid too, and didnt bitch at all about that. The club owes him, and that starts with playing him where he belongs. I dont mind the occasaional game on the right or left, but he should be at CB 80% of the time.

Id thought about the three back formation some of you mention, and it just doesnt sell me. Im pretty traditional in my defensive preferrences, and im biased because I used to play rightback, but when only Gallas has experience playing wide and our outside mids are not the best defensively, id rather not risk it

With the formation, its as you guys say: With the necesscity of playing Makelele, and the undroppable nature of Lampard, we're pretty much going to be forced into a 4-5-1 if we want a balanced midfield + some width. But I hestitated to say that before because a 4-5-1 will prett much = a 4-3-3 with some of the personell we're fielding.

Something like

Robben--------------------
---------------Lampard------Cole
Essien/Ballack------Makelele

or

Robben--------Lampard--------Cole
---------Ballack
Makelele/Essien

are essentially going to become what we played last year when the attackers get up there

it might even be possible to play

Ballack-----Lampard
Cole-------------------Essien
Makelele]

but again I am unaware on Essien's track record playing wide. But his key aspects are his speed, his athleticism, and his ability to transition defense into attack, so I cant see any reason he wouldnt be able to be at least tried on the right.

And I hope I didnt give people the wrong impression when I spoke down on the defense of our wingers earlier. No, they are not ideal, though a winger rarely is for defense. But with Joe Cole, Mourinho has made him into a player who will get stuck in every time when necesscary. Against Bayern a year ago he practically marked Ze Roberto out of the game :| Defense is about effort and quickness, two things Cole seems to have in spades. He and duff I wouldve been totally confident with mannning our wings, but as it now stands, Cole must be a guaranteed starter.

I must admit that I would not mind in the least Ashley Cole coming to the Bridge. I understand the questions over his "morality" resulting in the business between Arsenal and ourselves but, not knowing what his relationship with Arsenal was like prior to the "tapping up" case, I am not in a position to question his intentions.

All I know is this. That he is possibly the best left back we could get. His qualities as a player are first class and he just gets better and better all the time.

One other thing that endears him to me is the same thing that alienates Omar. He went behind Arsenals back to come to us. Now this is just me but, anyone who finds the opportunity to ass fu<k Arsenal AND take it, is alright in my book. With that action, he is already on the first rung of the ladder in the legend stakes. He will do for me.

At Chelsea, you will not find a player involved in tapping up episodes. If a player wants out, he says so. If we cant persuade him to stay then we help him move on. Maybe its not like that at Arsenal. Maybe the regieme is tougher and players are made to play out their contracts whether they are happy or not.
I get the feeling that Arsenal will sack anyone when they feel the need to, and they do very often, but this seems like a one way thing. If Cole wanted out, but was told "no way", then I can see some resentment forming there. There has been some crap going on behind the scenes at Arsenal even before the Cole / Chelsea thing, so before I cast opinions about anything I would like to know more about the background. It was not all about money thats for sure. Sol Campbell was hinting at the divisions within the squad ages before Cole approached us. Sol also talked about the English lads also getting a lot less attention from Wenger than the rest of the squad. I remember he said that he fell out with the "frenchies" when Arsenal won the title at White Hart Lane, and he refused to come back out onto the pitch and rub it in to the Spurs fans. This angered some players and Wenger, and the story has it that Sol, and either Henry or Viera came to blows in the tunnel over it. From that day on Sols love affair with Arsenal was over. Do you think this bad feeling tempered over the seasons? Apparantly not, so maybe that is what brings us to this situation with Cole signing for us. We will know for sure what went on at Arsenal one day, but until then I am happy to welcome Cole to Chelsea tomorrow.

Sorry Pete, but there I cant agree with you. Like you I dont know much about the atmosphere at Arsenal, but its reasonable to assume with the stories you tell about Campbell and the Reyes comments in the past that there are divides in the locker room there. But some of the stuff Cole supposedly came out with was complete and utter sh*t. Ok, Arsenal sent him up the creek with the FA, but that was after he chose to illegally work out a deal to go to their MAIN RIVAL behind their backs. The club shouldve been done with him there, but its a measure of their commitment to get a big transfer fee for him that they took him back, as did their fans.

Now, he slams the club in the press. This after he was refused an unheard of request that the club give a weekly wage to his agent (laughable) and after he came out saying he felt like a slave how he was being treated. Any player who feels the need to backstab the club who brought him into the professional ranks like that can never be trusted to be satisfied or content. Just as I would never have wanted Judas Campbell in my team if I were a gooner, I dont want Ashley Cole now. If he wanted to leave so badly, a transfer request is the common and respectful thing to do. Claiming youre a slave for being unable to determine your future with no impeding rules is a joke when youre making millions a year.

The bottom line in my mind is that Ashley Cole cares only about Ashley Cole and apparrently Cheryl Tweed and John Barnett. The only thing moving to Chelsea would change about him would be the signatory on his paycheck. On the pitch he could be brilliant. But that is the only place he would be superior. Give me Bridge every day of the week and twice on sundays, and hell, give me the supposedly happy go lucky Carlos even. Anyone but Cole

And I didnt even realize till now that a croation dude used the phrase 'Busting your balls' (H) south park.

Vedran-10

26-07-2006, 10:33:AM

And I didnt even realize till now that a croation dude used the phrase 'Busting your balls' (H) south park.

I watch that show very rarely. (H)

And I agree about A.Cole. It's better not to get involved into anything with a person like him.

pede54

26-07-2006, 03:21:PM

Well I'm not interested in the least in Coles personality. I know what he can do on the pitch and thats good enough for me. When a player treats Chelsea with little respect, then thats the time that I'll go for his throat. I really dont give a toss what a player wants to do at another club.

I dont like Arsenal at all. David Dein is a devious, conniving, corrupt piece of s.h.i.t, so why should I care if Cole wants to bad mouth them. As I said before, there are 2 sides to a story and I am reluctant to believe that Arsenal Football Club are the innocent injured party here. The story goes deeper than that. Something other than money would make someone behave as Cole has and until I know the facts, I do not have an opinion on the matter one way or another. Nor should anyone else make a judgement purely on what the press has reported.

Cole to Chelsea? Fantastic.....and Fu<k Arsenal. Just a club full of <unts.

rhizome17

27-07-2006, 08:28:AM

Corradi scores and sends the bridge into hushed silence! last seasons champions open this time with a home defeat and will hope to get their first three points of the season in their next match!

Rob

27-07-2006, 08:40:AM

Corradi scores and sends the bridge into hushed silence! last seasons champions open this time with a home defeat and will hope to get their first three points of the season in their next match!
:rolleyes:

RUSI

28-07-2006, 09:49:PM

I think we are going to stick with Roberto Carlos. (:/)

I have few doubts that Cashley Cole will be a Blue very soon.

pede54

28-07-2006, 11:12:PM

yup I think he will, and the more the Arse hate him, the more we will like it.... :funny:

We offered 16.5 mill and Arsenal are asking 25-30 mill. We should make the 16.5 mill the first and last offer. If Arsenal want a pissed off Cole in their squad for another season then so be it. That will undermine morale a bit. It will also wind the gooners up for another season as well.

I dont agree with giving Arsenal spending money at all, but lets keep it as low as possible. Also conclude the deal the last day of the transfer window, then they will have to wait to spend it. We can afford to wait for Cole on a Bosman so we should tell Arsenal to take it or leave it. We really are not as desperate to sign him as they are desperate to sell him.

PaPaGeorGeo

01-08-2006, 09:34:AM

Whats happening with Gallas?

Vedran-10

01-08-2006, 11:24:AM

Kulixs

01-08-2006, 11:56:AM

Chelsea are going to make a statement regarding Gallas since he allegedely didn't go to training yesterday.

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_1378052,00.html

PaPaGeorGeo

01-08-2006, 12:05:PM

yeh his contract runs out at the end of this season, should be interesting, mind you Chelsea dont mind if he rots in the reserves, whats his salary to them

Vedran-10

01-08-2006, 12:18:PM

jani

01-08-2006, 12:26:PM

Gallas would have ended up with Milan. Damn Materazzi ruined his perception of Italian football as a whole :(

Kulixs

01-08-2006, 12:28:PM

As far as I know, Chelsea have treated their players well.

If Gallas says he wants out, they'll allow him

He's one of the best defenders in the world, I don't understand what the problem could be. Chelsea have money, so the salary isn't a problem, and his performances last season earned him a first-XI place for sure. The problem is theyre gonna stick him at left back, he can't stand playing there lol.

Rob

01-08-2006, 12:29:PM

As far as I know, Chelsea have treated their players well.

If Gallas says he wants out, they'll allow him

He's one of the best defenders in the world, I don't understand what the problem could be. Chelsea have money, so the salary isn't a problem, and his performances last season earned him a first-XI place for sure.
Hates being played at Left Back, however ... if we do sign Cole or something then he wont be playing there ....

I think its media hype atm.

Kulixs

01-08-2006, 12:33:PM

Hates being played at Left Back, however ... if we do sign Cole or something then he wont be playing there ....

I think its media hype atm.
I don't know about hype, he hasn't showed up to training, and Chelsea have announced they are going to release a statement, he obviously isn't happy at the club, they're probably just going to say they're unhappy and hes been fined, or some lie like they gave him extra time off, or maybe something else like hes flown to Italy to discuss terms with Milan.

Vedran-10

01-08-2006, 12:42:PM

I know about the left-back problem. Like I said, I think his performances last season warrant a CB spot. I rate him higher than Carvalho, and Gallas has definitely done so much for Chelsea by not complaining too much, they owe him.

If I were Chelsea manager, I'd do my best to accommodate William, even if it meant benching Carvalho, who is good but probably a bit overrated.

Moreira_Benfica

01-08-2006, 01:59:PM

ha carvalho overrated? since when do you hear anyone rate him as a top defender in the world (anyalists, commentators, reports etc...)

Vedran-10

01-08-2006, 03:09:PM

ha carvalho overrated? since when do you hear anyone rate him as a top defender in the world (anyalists, commentators, reports etc...)

He used to be hailed as a top defender. I don't know what people think of him now, but he's far from what he was supposed to be, and therefore I said he was overrated.

Virgo

01-08-2006, 03:35:PM

how do you make that?

he was the top defender at the Euro and one of the best at this WC.

He may not be that suited for the english game because he's more about positioning than strenght, but still overrated my ass. If anything he's underrated by Chelsea fans.

He would walk right into pretty much any club lineup in the world.

Moreira_Benfica

01-08-2006, 03:38:PM

. If anything he's underrated by Chelsea fans.

:jambo:

Vedran-10

01-08-2006, 04:31:PM

I'd like to hear the Chelsea fans' opinions on this.

But there you go.. and then you ask me why I think he's overrated.. it's because you people say he'd walk into any lineup, which he wouldn't, IMO.
I can't remember him doing anything special in Chelsea.

Moreira_Benfica

01-08-2006, 04:58:PM

well lets look at the top 2 teams in the top 3 leagues IMO
(not counting chelsea)

EPL: he could start in Arsenal and Man Utd
SPL: barcelona no,Real Madrid Yes.. then they can have ramos-cannavaro-carvalho-carlos/?
italia- he could walk into Milan and inter

Virgo

01-08-2006, 05:01:PM

Barcelona no? He's miles better than Marquez

pede54

01-08-2006, 05:07:PM

I believe he's staying.

Unfortunately

Pede, what about the LB spot? You have Bridge there, who else? Gallas seems desperate to play CB, so you'd have one player as left-back.. I think you will offer around 20M for Cole. Why wait for the Bosman ruling if you have enough money for him and are not exactly covered in that position?

Of course you are spot on zka. Obviously we would like to sign him now, but at the moment its a game being played out between Chelsea and Arsenal, and we must not look to be too desperate for Coles signature. If NOT signing Cole risks us losing Billy, then I say sign Cole tomorrow. Then we might risk losing Wayne Bridge, so then we will still only have one left back. Its difficult when dealing with these players to find a perfect solution where everyone is happy but as fans we can only observe from a distance and hope the club find the perfect solution.

UEFA expect the CL squad lists next week so a solution regarding Cole will have to be found by then. Not just for Chelsea's sake but for Arsenals as well.

Apparantly Cole told Dein yesterday that he will never kick a ball for Arsenal ever again, so lets see where this saga goes man.

As for Ricci. Yep, I have always pretty much been unappreciative of his role at Chelsea or indeed as a player. Last season he did a few things that began to sway my opinion. Culminating in a wonderful goal he scored towards the end of the season. I realised then that he has more in his locker than we have been allowed to see. Whether its Jose holding him back or Ricci himself who has been playing within himself. I like the guy a lot and he works his butt off every game. He can be quality most of the time. Although he does have more than his share of bad games. I think he is one of these players that you have to see week in and week out to really appreciate what he can do, because if you see him play rarely, the time you DO see him, more than likely , that will be the day that he has a quiet game. He is class for sure when he is on song although having said that, I would still be happier with Gallas in the CB spot next to JT. Its a hard one but Billy just makes it past Ricci for me.

jani

01-08-2006, 05:22:PM

No, Carvalho will not "walk" into Milan's XI. Gallas however, I believe, will.

So Gallas > Carvalho.

Moreira_Benfica

01-08-2006, 05:45:PM

so u would start maldini over carvalho (or is maldini already quit)

adj137

01-08-2006, 06:17:PM

Carvalho's biggest mistakes arise mainly from his poor positioning. It's his strength and determination that usually covers up for it when he's in the EPL

jani

01-08-2006, 06:20:PM

heck I'd start Kaladze over Carvalho.

And no, he wouldnt "walk" into Man Utd or Arsenal either.

The only "big" team that may need him is Barca. And maybe Pool.

Im not saying he aint good, but not as good as people say.

Virgo

01-08-2006, 06:52:PM

']heck I'd start Kaladze over Carvalho.

And no, he wouldnt "walk" into Man Utd or Arsenal either.

The only "big" team that may need him is Barca. And maybe Pool.

Im not saying he aint good, but not as good as people say.

Oh please just shut up you biased piece of sh*t, I bet you dont even watch the EPL, much less Portugal's matches or Porto's european campaigns in 2003 and 2004.

It's just so trendy to diss portuguese players nowadays isn't it?

go back wanking with the Ronaldinho to Milan rumour.

SlowSilver

01-08-2006, 06:57:PM

Virgo man, chill.

Carvalho is decent at times, and I rate him highly. But he wouldn't just walk into Madrid's defence now. Although it would allow us to have Ramos, Carvalho and Canna all in the back line.

Stotty

01-08-2006, 07:00:PM

He'd walk into Arsenal's defensive central pairing of Cygan Toure :D

Lean

01-08-2006, 07:20:PM

Oh please just shut up you biased piece of sh*t, I bet you dont even watch the EPL, much less Portugal's matches or Porto's european campaigns in 2003 and 2004.

It's just so trendy to diss portuguese players nowadays isn't it?

go back wanking with the Ronaldinho to Milan rumour.

Calm down dude, he's just expressing his opinion.

ColumbusGunners

01-08-2006, 07:50:PM

What do you think of a cole/gallas deal with Arsenal

Dreath

01-08-2006, 07:52:PM

A Cole-Gallas deal would be too good to be true for Arsenal.

A Toure Gallas partnership would be unbeatable.

Vedran-10

01-08-2006, 10:28:PM

Of course you are spot on zka. Obviously we would like to sign him now, but at the moment its a game being played out between Chelsea and Arsenal, and we must not look to be too desperate for Coles signature. If NOT signing Cole risks us losing Billy, then I say sign Cole tomorrow. Then we might risk losing Wayne Bridge, so then we will still only have one left back. Its difficult when dealing with these players to find a perfect solution where everyone is happy but as fans we can only observe from a distance and hope the club find the perfect solution.

So Bridge would be on his way out if he is benched? It would seem like the best combination to bench Carvalho, play Gallas as CB, buy Cole and play him as LB, and have Bridge as his replacement. The season is long, Bridge would get his share of games.

The only "big" team that may need him is Barca. And maybe Pool.

No, we don't.

Moreira_Benfica

01-08-2006, 10:32:PM

']heck I'd start Kaladze over Carvalho.

And no, he wouldnt "walk" into Man Utd or Arsenal either.

The only "big" team that may need him is Barca. And maybe Pool.

Im not saying he aint good, but not as good as people say.

so manchester united would rather have silvestre then carvalho, and Kaldaze over carvalho hahah man you dont watch no football rather then milan i bet

rhizome17

01-08-2006, 10:39:PM

I think a SWP + cash deal is more likely for Cole.

bigp

01-08-2006, 10:42:PM

I think a SWP + cash deal is more likely for Cole.

Already offered and rejected.

untouchable

01-08-2006, 10:57:PM

so manchester united would rather have silvestre then carvalho, and Kaldaze over carvalho hahah man you dont watch no football rather then milan i bet
What? We dont even play Silvestre in the center of our defense anymore, but you're right though, Carvalho will be a good replacement for him on the bench.

pede54

02-08-2006, 12:08:AM

No way will Chelsea let Gallas go to Arsenal. If thats the deal wanted by Arsenal then forget about the whole thing. You keep Cole and we'll keep Billy, that will suit us fine.

Chelsea will never let Arsenal have ANY players from our club. None of them would want to join Arsenal anyway so that idea is already dead in the water.

jani

02-08-2006, 01:07:AM

see, almost everyone is content with their CB pairings. Carvalho is good, but the big teams have better.

btw, its not individuality that makes me pick Kaladze over Carvalho, rather than the fact that Kaladze and Nesta compliment each other, hence meaning I dont want Carvalho.

Now it only seems Pool could acommodate Carvalho :ewan:

Rob

02-08-2006, 05:40:AM

http://www.cfcnet.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18328

THE REBELLION OF WILLIAM GALLAS

The news that William Gallas wouldn’t be joining his team-mates in the US is not what most Chelsea fans want to hear now - less than two weeks before we officially get the season underway with the traditional Charity Shield. The club’s statement about the situation no doubt reveals a deepening tension between the parties, something that’s come to a head since May.

As I’ve said before, I’m a Gallas fan, but I’m not a fan of stupidity. I’ve opposed his style from the very beginning, because it smacks of nothing but blackmail. I think the club’s position then (and now) is the right one. Gallas has had his time running around spreading stories in the press for the past three years (even as the ink was yet to dry from his last contract with the club). In May, the club finally called his bluff and insisted on him seeing out his contract, but then continued to offer him a new improved deal. In fact, the feeling amongst fans these past few weeks was that the worse is over and that he would finally be signing a new deal after his agent met with Kenyon to thrash out things during the World Cup. And then he comes up with this.

Before Abramovich came, the excuse for him wanting to leave was that we’ve won no silverware. Thereafter, it became a renegotiation of his contract. After that, it became a question of being played out of position or more precisely out of a position he’d prefer. Yet, everyone knows that we only play him on the left when we had to, because of his versatility and because of injury and loss of form of our left-backs.

Up to May, Chelsea have borne the player’s escapades in the press without response. All they’ve done was to quietly reassure him. Mourinho even had a fallout with Carvalho publicly precisely because of him playing Gallas in the centre-back position ahead of the former. Chelsea have now met all his requirements, including making arrangements to ensure that he’s played in his favourite position from next season by buying this summer. In fact, the talk with Arsenal about Ashley Cole is towards ensuring that we have two quality left-backs so as not to have a reason to call on him for that role. Chelsea are obviously doing everything to make him know he’s valued; so, what else does he want? Why is he coming up with such s**tty attitude as the latest one?

I think Chelsea should keep him till his contract expires next year, as the club have stated earlier. We don’t need the money and we will buy a good enough replacement for him while he stays around and watch the team win things from the sidelines (if he continues to act in this unprofessional manner). Already, he’s the loser in this affair, because he’s out there somewhere moaning while his team-mates are having a ball in America. In fact, the news now is that Ballack has the No 13 shirt, which is great, considering that Gallas values it no more. Pig-headedness won’t take him anywhere and he must know deep down that wherever he goes he can never surpass his career or achievements at Chelsea. If he thinks the grass is greener at the other side, a little dose of reality would soon set in when he finally steps out of the Bridge.

I know Gallas is a fans’ favourite and in matters like this, there’s always the tendency from certain quarters to blame others but Gallas for the situation. Be that as it may, I believe his refusal to show up in the US as agreed confirms his lack of respect for the club and the fans that have made him. Whatever his grouse with the club (which has been well-publicized), he owes it to the club and the fans to show up and honour his commitments to the club as long as his contract subsists, even if he’s still hell-bent on not signing the new one offered him. He may be a great player (and we certainly will miss him football-wise when he eventually moves on), but right now he’s plummeted more in my estimation. I would expect the club to take appropriate disciplinary action against him, while making him see out the remaining year of his contract.

Of course, there are those who’d wonder whether he’d be committed to the cause having showed this unprofessional side of his personality; but I personally wouldn’t bother about that. Thank God Chelsea are a massive club with many great players who can pull together and deliver. In fact, if need be, we can always go out there and acquire an equally good or even better player than him. Whatever the situation, I trust Mourinho and the people in charge to take appropriate action to negate his potential loss or non-performance on the field. But he must not be allowed to leave now, no matter his antics. What he’s doing is blackmail and the club must not fall for it. Apart from keeping him away from our competitors, it is important to prove the point that bad and unprofessional behaviour won’t cut it at Chelsea. We must not allow a bad precedent that other players in the future may want to exploit.

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Well put by that poster on CFCnet.

PaPaGeorGeo

02-08-2006, 08:42:AM

Hendrik

02-08-2006, 04:52:PM

http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/sport/aktuell/2006/08/02/ballack-interview-chelsea/5204321-Michael_20Ballack__MBQF,templateId=renderScaled,pr operty=Bild,width=263.jpg

He will wear the #13. Is it me or does he look a bit like Mourinho now?

Moreira_Benfica

02-08-2006, 05:03:PM

its you

RUSI

02-08-2006, 05:04:PM

Looks like Ken Bates is reporting you guys for tapping up two of Leeds' players.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=374851&cc=5901

adj137

02-08-2006, 05:31:PM

Ken Bates has as PhD in Chatting Sh!t. No one cares about the drivel that he comes up with. He's just upset that he left the club and no one noticed.

pede54

02-08-2006, 05:33:PM

Yeah Kens always reporting us for something. Thats what he does to keep in the news now that he is a nobody.

Man, no wonder Ballack is good with his head........Look at that forehead....its massive :funny:

papa....of course mate, when his contract runs out then its up to him where he goes. By that time i dont think any of us will care that much what he does.
Gallas' agent intimated that there had been contact between Arsenal and his client, the reason apparantly for his recent about turn. Are we taliking a tapping up here i wonder? Or is the agent just being an agent and lying through his teeth?

I am desperately searching for the article in which he alledgedly made the comment. Man I wish I had been bothered to post it when I saw it...... :taz:

TheBlueBalla

02-08-2006, 05:42:PM

Ken Bates is an absolute old fool. He thinks hes getting 24 million because we signed away two of his youth players. Mind you, this was during a period where it was permissable for any team to make an approach. That really mustve gotten his knickers in a twist: the club that cast him aside stealing his future at leeds. The guy already ripped Chelsea for 70 million, and now he wants more, eh? Leeds Village must not be going too well.

I guess Ballack + the number 13 is the last shot in this whole affair. He is valuable for one more year, but i'd rather we sell him right now to a foreign club rather than he decides to screw us by signing with a rival (he seems to like the fans, but thing have gotten very bitter very fast). That poster was right, though. He has done very little but bitch during his time here, as if he was never happy despite the adulation. This year he wouldve had it all, probably, and yet it still wasnt good enough for him. I doubt any club would say no if he was offered to them at a great price, so lets have him off to Milan for a paltry few million and do Roman's friend a favor

Carvalho's biggest mistakes arise mainly from his poor positioning. It's his strength and determination that usually covers up for it when he's in the EPL
That is exactly right, without any qualifiers. He looks like a desperate defender because he is perpetually out of position. But its like his technique isnt to disarm a player of the ball, its to give him space, and then lunge in to take the ball away or knock him off the ball, sometimes at an inopportune time. Hence he concedes alot of freekicks and fouls. Hence alot of people distrust him (notice, not dislike, distrust) more than Gallas

']Now it only seems Pool could acommodate Carvalho :ewan:
Yes, only one major team in the world could use a top 10 defender. What are you talking about? :ewan:

Already offered and rejected.
Thanks David Dein, any more updates for us?

Arsenal would be all over that offer like an asian lady on a sidewalk sale :boohoo:

And for the record, Pete, my trepedation with Cashley comes not with the fact that he hates Arsenal. That is fine in my book and would be appreciated with alot of players. Its the fact that he seems to have no regard or loyalty to the club he plays with. Obviously thats conjecture, because he's only ever played for one, but I have reason to believe that is his mindset, and I dont want that anywhere near our team

but team spirit and selflessness dont really seem to matter in Mourinho's eyes anymore so much as does building the best 11 in the world. So we'll see what happens