Well, I read it, and I really wasn't impressed. It struck me as being something like this -

Q. We have asked for all these changes from you, but you never implement them? Will these changes be in the next version?

A. Erm, yeah, we're working on it. Yeah, it's coming soon...

How soon is soon? I have a horrible feeling "soon" is 2002 or (gasp) never!
Or am I just too cynical?

That was a scandal! I mean how can anybody talk so much ****. The linesmen take too much time to program...yeah, sure.

The answers to the pitch problem and internet play were pathetic as well.

Now I am sure that nothing good will come from EA sports in the near future...not with boners like that interview-dude.

Yeah, they gave us absolutly no info at all. The interview was a waste of time, we're left not knowing anything we didn't know already. Kinda looks like the same answers they gave for the interview for fifa 2000.

What a joke!!! "The company doesn't really encourage the progamers to read what gamers are thinking." How can they admit to being so stupid.

The question about why there is no stadium selection was not answered at all.

Then he complains that time pressure and making two games in one year are the reasons there are no major improvements in the game. So whyt are they making Euro 2000 and FIFA20001????

The reason the game has no passion or soul is because there are too many people working on it. Come on!!! I can't take any more BS.

What a worthless bunch of crap. I can't believe Mat thanked him for that.

I always try to be nice, but EA needs to pull its head out. I have had ISS Pro Evolution for six weeks and I still can't put it down. With the exception of the commentary, it destroys FIFA in every way. The incestual way EA makes its games ("Our developers are shielded from the public") is becoming more and more obvious every year. Unfortunately, games are getting dumber-- look at Triple Play or other sports games where "excitement" is in and "realism" is an afterthought. I'd much rather struggle to beat Man U 2-1 with my custom team of superstars than beat Man U 9-7 in FIFA with Japan (no offense to Japan).

"EA, if its in the game, its in Konami."

the answers were simply BS,and they reflected the attitude of our programers..


if it's in the game,it's Konami i agree !!

I agree, the attitude of the programmer was one of complacency and lazyness - he just didn't seem to care and skirted around the major questions.

Q: When do you think EA will begin to include linesmen, journalists and players' benches on the sidelines?

A: These items have always been on the wish-list but as they are low priority they've never been done because of the lack of time.

Right.....so you've been spending your time fine tuning the pinball gameplay....or the in depth stats engine......or ensuring that all the players look anorexic....

The pitch size explanation was pure bull.
But my favourite was;

Q: Do EA take notice of sites such as Soccer Gaming and FIFA 2000 Online? Do they read our wish forums and take in the suggestions of the fans that post there?

A: People in the team are aware of the success of the game, but the company tries to limit the interactions between the team and the public.

Now while they said they look at 'official feedback' that statement sums up EA Sports - they just don't care about the hardcore sports gamers. They're at the top of the mountain, they know it, and now they just want to relax and churn out pure cr@p because people will buy it because it has the EA Sports and Fifa symbols.

On the other hand, look at Sports Interactive (the guys that make CM 99/00) those guys actually answer posts on their messageboards. Look at Konami - they're a HUGE company, but the ISS series is excellent (I'm still playing 98 Pro), they really pay attention to detail, and you can tell from just playing the game that the Konami programmers love football - and their newest PS2 version looks to be even more incredible.

EA can churn out their mass market cr@p for the casual gamer, but I'm not buying it anymore.

Screw them, I'm waiting for May 16th.

Too bad there's no speech editor for the intro "EA Sports - it's in the game" animation, if there was I'd be the first to make the adjustment,

"E A Sports - it's a -" .....well you can figure out the rest.... http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

This line from neutrals post just about sums them up...."But the company tries to limit the interactions between the team and the public."........what a sad comment from them..

They DON'T care about the Gamers out here,they won't listen, they DON'T want to know..... and that is the bottom line...

I agree, that line about how they isolate the programmers from feed-back is something I thought I'd never hear. That is a huge insult to any person that puts any time/money into their game or that takes time to send them e-mails or post on their boards. Screw them!

I never, ever heard any company come out and say "we don't listen to our customer feedback", especially a computer games company. Sony, the biggest of them all, has people answering questions on their board and asking on how they can improve their games. And these little weenies at EA take a holier than thou attitude?

EA:> are taking advantage of the huge Global demand for Football games, and due to this demand thay can turn out sub standard products with virtuall impunity, i am still shaking my head in total frustration in regard to there "Public v Us" mentallity...it is beyond belief that anyone from that company could issue such a negative non caring statement...Lets hope that Konami can start to convert there football games over to the Pc...

I know why there's no time for lines men, they had to fine tune the bottle in the net and make the corner kick flags move realistically. These things take 'time' guys. Imagine if that wasted time was put to real use...

Well said Paul, that water bottle was the best thing those programming geniuses could come up with?? sad indeed

No don't forget they spent all their time making sure all the motion captured players look like Sami Hyypia http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

There's only one way to let EA know that they've screwed up big time with their attitude and that is to "limit the interaction between EA and the public" ourselves. In short: stop buying the crap they release twice a year and start bombarding Konami with requests to release their excellent ISS-series for PC.
Nuff said.

King Kenny.

I bet I know how they 'limit the interaction between EA and the public,' they keep their programers in nice padded rooms and slide a tray in once daily. Those poor bastards, it's not their fault the code is 'below the belt'...

Hi,

I am the interviewed person. I think there was a mis-understanding about the interview.

It is not an official EA interview, and the answers don't reflect the company's position, nor what they would tell you. They are my own personal views.

I'll address just a few points :

Everybody in the team wanted sideline elements but they've been rated as a low priority item. It makes sense because they're less important than many other features.
I agree that the water bottle is kinda stupid, but it was believed that people would remember that kind of things. Obviously it worked, but not for the right reasons http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif
The last point I'd like to address is the pitch size : the answer I gave may sound pathetic, but... that's the real problem we got stuck with. It's not possible to develop a complete version of the game on each plateform because 1) it's duplicate work 2) more bugs 3) more people 4) higher costs.

now, I'd like to talk about the important stuff. Like I said it was not an official EA interview. I don't agree with the policy of the company to have only some people able to communicate with the players, through the press usually, etc. It has been this way for years and we all know it's not a good idea, but at the same time the company is pushing it. Don't ask me why... not my choice.
FIFA is very important for EA because it's has the largest revenue out of all projects. This has some drawbacks, such as not being able to add cool features, etc on the fly. Everything is planned and prioritized upfront and we try to fit as much as we can in the game. It has evolved in one of these huge projects you often see outside of the game industry.

Yes, the game has lost a bit of its soul... I wish it had stayed on a smaller scale

[This message has been edited by interviewed (edited 04-14-2000).]

interviewed,

In the interview you said that,

"When the team started 2k, people believed there was plenty of time to do it and we had big plans for the game. The goal was to clean the
old code and start with the new architecture; Adding new people to the team helped to some extent as it was a pretty big task. 2k has a new architecture and while you can't see deep changes from the outside, it is ready for future release; The reason behind this choice
was to make the code easier to work with and have the team spend lots of time on the game itself instead of hacking things together to add a small feature."

In FIFA99, with fed99, we could add up to 64 jerseys, which was good. Now with fifa2000, it isn't possible? Does this mean that we can't use more than 53 kits in future FIFA games? This is a big disappointment for all of us who enjoy creating realistic kits, perhaps you could change this part of the code and make it possible to add more jerseys with an editor? More than the 64 kits that were possible in fifa99 would make just about all of us ecstatic if this were ever possible.

Were not asking that you create more than 53 kits, but that you make it possible for us to add kits by changing the hard code that limits the kits to 53.

Also, the kit clashing method for FIFA2000 isn't accurate with all jersey combinations, why can't we have the option of choosing what jersey to wear for a game? This way we can aviod the kit clashing bug the game has. Most teams have more than 2 jerseys available anyways.

Thank You

As EA does it, we also should do it: The public should stop interacting with them, i.e. not buy their crap nomore.

I couldn't agree with you more Zambrotta!
If EA don't take notice of us, then we'll take no notice of them, and buy some other soccer game instead!
COME ON EA! The competition is getting better and you've got to get your act sorted and give the public what they deserve with FIFA 2001. We've asked for certain features for years, but you've either took no notice, or took notice and did the opposite!
Since FIFA 99, the FIFA series has really gone crap. FIFA 98, in my opinion, was brilliant, and WC98 even better. They had a load of features that are missing from the latest FIFA's.

So listen EA, get you act together, or lose your fanatics! I've always thought EA was a name of great quality - until now!

EA creates the game to sell as much as it can, right?

Why don't they create the game to attract more players, I mean they should create FEd (not the customer) for us, they should make it able to create as much kits as we like, as much teams as we like,etc... I would be much more happy if there was only 1 league (with the correct(!!!!!) rosters) and a game where EA payed more attention to AI and graphics then to the rosters. If EA includes a perfect editor, then we can create our own leagues, design our own tournaments (custom is really unsufficient like it is now), create our own kits,... That would sell!!!!

I love playing the fifa games yes wc98 to some extent fifa99 and fifa 2000. Yes it has its downfalls and bugs, but nevertheless it is the best PC football game. I play it against my friends at home on a network or via modem. It is the best way to play football without really playing it. After reading the interview from the EA representative, I say .... **** EA!!! They dont respect US? We are the guys who buy their product! They NEED US! we dont NEED THEM!!!!!! I really like playing football games, but if that is going to be the attitude of EA then they can all go to hell and shove Euro 2000 and Fifa2001 up their asses!!!!! Please Konami or whoever else bring out a game for us! I was reading an interview about Quake 3 Arena before is was finished and while the beta tests were going on and John Carmack the lead programmer of ID software was answering questions online and the development team were taking note of everything the fans were saying!!

Dear Interviewed,

Lesson in life. Never say anything to anybody about anything because you will have to deal with bull**** and cretins. You were honest and stressed it was EA's position, not yours. You gave us some valuable insight into how this game is put together and I thank you. I beleive EA is starting to listen because i think a UK firm was brought in to work on Euro 2000 and probably will do 2001 as well. Canada really lost touch.

Every game including ISS has flaws, ISS goalkeepers are the best in the world but you can score from the half way line, hello. I have a Dreamcast(as well as a Playstation and PC) and purchased Virtual Striker, looks great, plays like crap because important control elements are missing and it has zero skill or management features, you can't even substitute. But i still enjoy playing it. The players move like real players and games can be very exciting. I appreciate it for what it is, an arcade game.

Fifa 2000 is priceless, by far the best soccer game on the market. Screw the pitch and this team or that team missing or this player isn't on the commentary. Fifa is as good as it gets. Code issues, rights issues,time issues all play a part in it not being perfect. Tell everyone to wait 3 years for the next Fifa and see what would happen.

I play at world class level and if I don't play at my best I'm in trouble. Foudy was a big mistake, I love the bottle and the corner flags. I like the fact that goalies can now charge the attacker, I hate I can't score from 40 yards. I really love all the cool ad ons that people like POTD have brought to the game on PC and no i did not buy it on the playstation. You were screwed.

FIFA 2000 PC, I still play, enjoy and can't wait for 2001.

Mr Interviewed thanks for your comments and one tiny suggestion, names on the back of shirts for 2001, OK.

sglean I suggest you play ISS a bit more, I can score from far outside the box more then I would like.

ISSS has an awesome gameplay, you can score in endless ways and have u total controll over the ball. I say its gameplay is close to perfection.

Fifa lacks all that and even where they should be better they arent. Im talking about rosters/teams/kits, most of the rosters are screwed up, some very important teams are missing in FIFA2k and the kits are a joke, ISSS national kits are far more perfect.

Fifa 2000 is priceless, by far the best soccer game on the market. Screw the pitch and this team or that team missing or this player isn't on the commentary. Fifa is as good as it gets. Code issues, rights issues,time issues all play a part in it not being perfect. Tell everyone to wait 3 years for the next Fifa and see what would happen.

Thats crap, Sports Interactive and Konami are much smaller and yet they manage to make a better game then EA.

How the **** can you say that FIFA2k is the best game on the market when they cant get the pitch size right in 2 year in a row.

europe@konami.de

Lets email Konami and ask then to release ISS for the PC.


ps. the only email I could find was Konami europe if anyone find an email for konami us let us know,

If u ppl really mean what u say,
den u shouldn't be reading this forum at all.
So start not to now!


oh, maybe the 'interviewed' might be a fake post?
If he's real, it proves that EA do read these forums!

No, "Interviewed" makes clear he (or she?) is working otuwith of EA, so it doesn't prove EA reads this forum. Just out of interest, Interviewed, what did you guys make of the petition(http://fifa.freewebsites.com if you are interested). Did you print it out, scrunch it up and play football with it to help make Fifa more realistic ,listen to it, or laugh and mutter something about "idiots who think they can influence EA..."? I await your answer!
Oh and about that UK team handling Euro 2000, I think that was the same team that did Premiership Stars...

sglean: You need play ISS Evolution more and appreciate what real footie should be. Fifa99-2000 are like ice hockey on grass. All need to do is pass,pass, pass, and pass the ball till you advance down the field. Half of the time, one header will take the ball halfway down the field-that's realistic for you. In ISS you actually have to work for your goal. There are more tactics involve. Fifa99, all you have to do is run the ball down left or right side of the field and when you are close to the goal-about 45 degree, just kick the ball and you will scored everytime. Talk about dumb goalie's AI. Fifa2000 is not DEFINITELY NOT the best footie on the market. IF EA don't listen to us, then let's start supporting someone who listen to our wishes.

Congratulations danilo. You were the first to question whether the post by "interviewed" was a fake. There always seems to be someone who doubts the honesty of this site, but I'm happy to see there has only been one this time.

Yes, interviewed, is for real and I'll be chatting with him further in coming days. He'll be back soon to answer more of your questions. Please do not tell him that "EA sux" because as he has stated he is simply giving his own personal opinion on how EA is run, and how FIFA is produced.

Does "interviewed" have to keep his name a secret in fear of repercussions at his job? I imagine so...

Doesn't that make you chuckle just a little,

I'm picturing this 'insider' sneaking around at EA, a lone crusader trying to reveal 'the truth' -

Interviewed: "Yes that's right, we don't interact with our customers, we don't even know what they want, heck they don't even let us watch football on tv, all we have are some hockey tapes and a few pinball machines. I fo-shhhhhhhhh, my manager's comming....(INTERVIEWED DUCKS UNDER THE TABLE)....phew! Ok, so let me get this straight - the customers want us to S L O W, the game down? Wow, 'they' told us to speed it up...Hey Matt, could you tell me what year it is? 2000? So why are we working on 2001? And where's Europe? ISS? What's that, a new subdivision of the IRS?"

I wonder what they'll do if they find him out....hope he doesn't end up 'sleeping with the fishes'...

http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

It seems to me that the overwhelming majority of posts on this subject agree that rather than improve on the Fifa series,EA Sports have taken huge steps backwards.The fact that Fifa 2k only lasted 3 months on my computer[ Fifa 99 is still on it]probably wouldn't worry the marketing department but that I won't be buying any more Fifa games until I've seen from a reliable source that things have dramatically improved should!

"Please do not tell him that "EA sux" because as he has stated he is simply giving his own personal opinion on how EA is run"

Oh sorry but EA does suck

"While EA is trying really hard to correct this, there has always been a lack of communication between the company and the users. Users don't fill feedback forms like they used to and in the past years, the company's presence on the net was really discrete."

"but the company tries to limit the interactions between the team and the public"

Thats just great, they blame users for not filling feedback forms and yet they try to limit the interaction between the team and public. Isnt that ironic?

If they came to this board for the past 2 year and saw all the wishlists they wouldnt have a feedback problem, would they?

Hey matt didnt you use to send wishlists to Ea? MrIntervier did EA ever read one of FIFA2000.net wish list?

Dear ISSEVOLUTION,

I appreciate your comments and will try to play the CONSOLE game again. I will try to get all the names typed right, rename all the teams and put up with the stupid commentary. Then I will proceed to the game and try to play on a pitch where the players glide on the grass and do not actually run, especially on tackles. Volleys are difficult heading is silly and the skill options are minimal. I will break through the middle 10 times and watch the goalie save it 9 times or should I wait for the other teams attack where my goalie always saves it and there always seems to be another attacker there to put it in. Real football, have you lost your 'konami' mind. I suggest you go back to the konami forum and kiss all over your fantastic game THERE. Do they have one?

Why are you here and that goes for everyone else who seems to enjoy bashing FIFA. EA is right. I wouldn't read this stupid forum either if all they did was bash the game. Why won't someone from EA talk to us? Somebody did (thanks interveiwed) and now because you don't like the answers its back to Fifa bashing.

Please please please buy Konami on PC, Oh they aren't on PC, so shut up then. Please don't buy Fifa. Stay away, buy something else, leave EA sports alone, never buy their products again, please.

Because, you stupid A holes, I just got a look at FIFa 2001 for the PC and for the PS2 and its the greatest thing I've ever seen. Juventus in Juventus official strip. Wait for Konami to come out with something and leave EA alone.

This is not a konami site either but we appreciate that you enjoy FIFA enough to post here or are you some Konami lover just interested in upsetting EA.

EA is not perfect and we have a right to ask for improvements or to dislike or like the game. Our peeves are well documented, so lets stop beating a dead horse and look forward. A wishlist, suggestions that make marketable sense, remember the bottom line is a dollar not someone in turkey loving the fact that the turkish league is in the game.

Ever wondered why malaysia's league is in the game. Because they buy a lot of fifa games, idiots.

Just in case you think all in EA is wonderful, I love MADDEN and then I saw the Dreamcast version of NFL2K, unbelievable. I can't even play madden anymore. Its even better than the PC version of Madden.

ISS is a great game, but its not FIFA and any right minded individual given a choice knows,if you want the best, its

EA Sports

"if its in the game, its in the game"

For soccer anyway.

Sglean;
No need to get mad buddy. I'm not going to attack you because you like the previous two Fifa games - that's good for you, at least you're happy - and when it boils down to it, this is all about personal choice. For me though, I think ISS is so much more realistic and enjoyable than the previous two fifa incarnations - I've said it a million times - Fifa's gameplay is too fast, pinball passing, and the pitch makes Highbury look like Wembley. I can sum it up like this - in ISS 98 I have never taken a player the length of the field, but I have gone on quick counter attacks, and you can really play realistic possession football and slowly build up attacks. To go past people, in ISS 98 you don't have 'moves' you have to use subtle changes in direction and speed - but isn't that mostly the case in real life? I mean how many times have you seen Ryan Giggs get past an opponent my feinting one way and rushing the other - not doing a step over nutmeg and 360 degree spin! In fifa I can go from one end to the other and this I all I have to do: Ok, so I win the ball in my 18 yard box with a slide tackle in which the player moves at 100 mph, and seems to be able to slide anywhere from 10-15 meters, I win possession, I know frantically press speedburst - first opposition player comes, 360 degree spin past him, second player, 360 degree spin, third player, step over nutmeg, (I'm now at the half way line), fourth player - he doesn't want to to tackle me, first defender - double step over, second 360 degree spin, now I do a rainbow flick and end the rush with a wonderful overhead kick into the top corner in which the goalie doesn't dive, he just remains standing and hops to one side with an outstretched arm. WHAT A GOAL!! Maybe realistic if I was Maradonna on steroids, but I did that on a consistent basis with PHIL BABB and JAMIE CARRAGHER!!!! Not to mention the retarded speed burst in 2000 - I have a clean break away with Michael Owen and then Steve Bould the 38 year old bullet rushes back from the half way line and catches me. Volley's and heading are hard in ISS - isn't that realistic - in Fifa2000 I can score from almost any set piece with a pass and subsequent header and volley.

You know what even do this, just set up a computer vs computer game and watch - it's the most rediculous football I've ever seen - if you did that on Fifa 98 RTWC it was amazing - especially if you let the game just 'sit' after the intro it would start an exhibtion match with changing camera angles and everything. Not to mention the game back then said so many more players names.

It would be ok if the game was FUN if not realistic - but its more of an excercise in monotony than anything else.

But you seem fit for Fifa - you feel that commentary and graphics are the most important, and that's fine - that's good for you because unlike me you don't feel that you've wasted 2x $60 = $120 over the past two years. So rather than call us stupid a-holes or idiots, why don't you just send in a resume to EA proclaiming your love for their Fifa series, I'm sure they could use yet another person who shares their views on how 'pinbol' should be played.

Ok gotta go watch Sunderland vs Man U, can't wait to see Garry Neville do a 360 spin, followed by step over nutmeg, with a double step over, a rainbow flick and finish it off with a diving header. Don't u also find it strange that non of these players eat - they all look so skinny, good thing EA got that right.....

Cheers.

yeah i agree that iss evoulution is the number one soccer game now but that doesn't mean fifa sucks ...fifa2k is a good game with some flaws and i think it is about damn time we give the guys over at ea a break ...seroiusly just ask yourself for how many years have ea produced top of the line soccer games and sport games??...ask yourself how man EAsports games do you owe....and most importantly ask yourself is it about time EA had a break???......yea it is time....i mean if fifa2k is a bad game then it is a bad game ..if EA gave the public bad answers then they gave them bad answers ...so what it aint the end of the world ...it aint the end of EA ....i mean one or two bad games among thousands of superb games isnt a crime.....and if the gameplay of iss is the best right now there will come a time when it will get old and all of you will start bashing konami .......my point is ...IT IS NOT HOW HARD OR DEEP YOU FALL BUT IT IS WHETHER YOU GET UP AFTER IT OR NOT.....and EA did fall hard and deep ...but believe me EA will get up again ...and lets try to help EA get up on top again...

Here are my views:
READ THE BOTTOM PART IT'S WHAT SOME OF THE THINGS WE WOULD LIKE

Q: For a couple of years the game callers have mentioned the linesmen, benches, and subs. However we've never seen them. When do you think EA will begin to include linesmen, journalists and players' benches on the sidelines? A: These items have always been on the wish-list but as they are low priority they've never been done because of the lack of time. They'll come ... soon

Well what was the cr@p in the first 4 screen shots EA released for Fifa2K FIFA 2008!!!

Also the question they answered A: We don't have the licence for the stadiums so they musn't look too realistic, otherwise there's no problem. Videos take lots of space on the CD and they take time to produce. The solution for the future is to make them in real-time instead of pre-rendered.

WHAT not enough space on the CD Fifa2000 only took up 412mb of the 615mb possible thats 203mb left to add much more things like more speech or league or even a:

STADIUM BUILDER like in FA Manager 2000 which I helped with a certain league. And how about a bigger pitch and screw the PLAYSTATION part that system will be out of trend when PS2 hits the USA later this year.
Also add features from OTHER EA games like a multiple roster feature like MADDEN2000, and impoprt face feature of NHL2000.

I WANT THE OPTION TO CHOOSE THE JERSEY YOU WANT TO PLAY WITH BEFORE A GAME LIKE IN NHL2000

ROATATING ADBOARDS LIKE NBALIVE2000 and NH2000.

BENCH PLAYERS ARE POSSIBLE ALL OTHER EA TITLES HAVE THEM.

I have every 2000 sports title EA came out with and you guys shoulde look for things to add to the next Fifa because it shouldn't be hard to add something that you already know to do.

WHO AGREES?

"I appreciate your comments and will try to play the CONSOLE game again. I will try to get all the names typed right, rename all the teams and put up with the stupid"

The only reason ISS dont have real names is because they cant afford unlike EA, and even where EA is supposed to shine they dont, they have the license to use real names but they dont put effort, they have 300 teams but they cant even get right the color of most of the Kits. Most of the Rosters are just plain wrong.

"Then I will proceed to the game and try to play on a pitch where the players glide on the grass and do not actually run, especially on tackles. Volleys are difficult heading is silly and the skill options are minimal."

The players dont glide on the pitch and the tackles are great you actualy have to aim and unlike FIFA2k, it takes time for a player to recover from a tackle, in FIFA2k you can tackle over and over thats just plain silly.

And as for skill moves I agree, but at least they have the realistic cuts, left right, that strikers use a lot more then anything in a real game. And they dont have a stupid spin move.

"I will break through the middle 10 times and watch the goalie save it 9 times or should I wait for the other teams attack where my goalie always saves it and there always seems to be another attacker there to put it in. Real football, have you lost your 'konami' mind. I suggest you go back to the konami forum and kiss all over your fantastic game THERE. Do they have one?"

You must be mistaking ISS for FIFA, I play ISS a lot and I never get through the midfield without a challenge. And the great thing about the game is that you have to have a clear space to shoot or the ball gets deflected otherwise.

Not to mention how the Referee is much better in ISS then in FIFA, FIFA´s referee just calls the fouls at random. In ISS a tackle from behind is a Yellow card and if you are tackled from behind by the last defender he gets a red one, dont you think thats realistic?.


"Why are you here and that goes for everyone else who seems to enjoy bashing FIFA. EA is right. I wouldn't read this stupid forum either if all they did was bash the game. Why won't someone from EA talk to us? Somebody did (thanks interveiwed) and now because you don't like the answers its back to Fifa bashing."

I doubt that you have all the FIFA titles like I do.

Im a FIFA fan and Ive been feeling a bit riped off by EA with the last FIFAs ,99&2K, and even more riped off after reading the interview. So I have the right to be here as much as anyone. And if EA did read this "stupid forum" they would have a much better football game by now and wouldnt be complaing about the user feedback.


You know what go out and play football just to know what a real football game should be like. And dont tell me a native from Orange City Fl USA would know more about Football then I do.

Im sorry if Im being too harsh but your reply was just too stupid.

Dear ISSEVOLUTION

I don't want to get into a pissing match with you. But I am actually from England. I was an apprentice for Leicester City. But my parents said an education was more important and I got a soccer scholarship to play in the USA and I actaully got approached to play for the Montral Manic just before the NASL broke up. When I finsished college we were the then National champs Howard University.

I am a qualified Accountant and I returned to England and spent a further 10 years there before returnibg to the USA and working for a college here in Florida. My wife loves the weather. While in England I played for Heinz(yes the ketchup people) in the Middlesex league and trained with Southall. I have played with Archie Gemmill, Gordon Hill and Andy Lynch as well as against the likes of Peter Withe and Andy Gray. I also have the distinction of playing against the mighty Pele in an exhibition game against the Cosmos.

So I have played a little football. My favorite team is West Ham and I love England. Its the only team I play with in International matches.

You are entitled to your opinion and let an old man give you some advice.

Its easy to knock Pele because he's the best. Everyone wants to stop him being number one everyone picks on any assumed weakness in his game. Problem is he is still the best there ever was. EA is much the same.

Since 1997 I have all EA Sports titles including Nascar and NHL. Knockout kings, you name it. I have not had a cricket or Rugby title because of Brian Lara on codemasters and my dislike of Rugby. Basketball 'live' series is perhaps my favorite and as I stated earlier I love Madden. Fifa was my first title on my playstation in 97 and I have everyone including RTWC and I even have FAPLS and FAPLM for the PC. I have every ISS title and have a US and UK nintendo 64. I have only a US playstation and I have a Dreamcast as well as 3 PC's. I have three children and my 17 year old son is crazy about video games and PC games. I also have the Addidas soccer series, the Fox series and Viva Soccer.

I love ISS I even have the playstation version from 98. I have Microsoft soccer and cM3 and cm99/00. In all honesty when you weigh up all the factors. Fifa is the best.

Fifa is fast but it is the only true soccer game. Everything is there, the environment the game the commentary,tacics, skill level. Yes you can master it and then it becomes easy but that is not the game's fault. to make it good for you 70% fo buying public can't win a game.

Pele had a game on SEGA which was beautiful at the time to look at but guess what, you couldn't score, really. Game failed.

I beleive we on this forum are at the high end of gamers. You have proven that with ISS. I do not find those moves you described easy. So we are perhaps more critical all I am saying is let us be more realistic. There is no perfect game. There never will be.

But 2001 looks fantastic have you seen the video yet Fifa say they are not pre rendered or video that is actual gameplay. Incredible.

Have fun and enjoy.

No offence meant or taken to all replies.

sglean:

Ok, ok, like I said, I'm happy for you that you like Fifa - I mean 'different strokes for different folks' and that's fine, but regarding what you said;

"Fifa is fast but it is the only true soccer game. Everything is there, the environment the game the commentary,tacics, skill level. Yes you can master it and then it becomes easy but that is not the game's fault. to make it good for you 70% fo buying public can't win a game."

The environment? I'm not sure - the fans are confused they seem to cheer at random times and there are no real crowd chants like in CM99/00 or CM3. Commentary - ok in the Fifa series up to 99 but 2000 is cr@p compared to the previous versions - less phrases, less names etc. Tactics - for me, no, like I said, read my last post about what constitutes the previous two Fifa games. Skill level - yes the highest setting in Fifa2000 is quite tough, but that's only because it just moves so fast - it's so pinball-like I can't bare to play it.

I summarized most of my points before about how I feel the last two Fifa's have gone down the toilet and I stand by them.

Like I said, you're comfortable with fast gameplay and good graphics - I admit Fifa2001 looks amazing - hey I put up a post with the link, but still 2000 looks pretty good on a high-end PC but for me it still plays like a dog.

Like I said, when I see ISS or Fifa98 RTWC or WC98 I see realism, when I see Fifa 99 or, especially Fifa 2000, I see pinball - like I said, I went off to watch the match today, Butt scored a great goal, Ole Gunnar's second one was really sweet, but I didn't see anyone do a 360 spin followed by a step over nutmeg.....

Perhaps you could do accounting for EA http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/wink.gif

ONE COMMENT/QUESTION: You said you have UK and US N64s - I have a multi system TV and video so that I can watch PAL tapes from back home, I have a mod-chipped North American PSX - if I were to hook up my PSX to my multi system TV and play a PAL PSX game would it work? (ie would the picture come out ok?)

Cheers.

Yeah the video looks great but did you notice that they didnt show the actual gameplay all they did show was the players walking into the pitch and stuff like that.

ISS for the PS2 is looking alot more better.

btw what do you think of FIFAs ball controll vs ISS ball controll. I like the powerbar a lot, because its more up to you to score then your player shooting ratings like in FIFA.

"Fifa is fast but it is the only true soccer game"

Have to disagree how can it be a true football game when it lacks true football gameplay. The passing and pace just totally ruins the game, to me FIFA2k is a mix of basketball, Formula 1 and football.

btw I have all the FIFAs from Fifa International (90/91 I think) to FIFA99.

[This message has been edited by ISSEVOLUTION (edited 04-15-2000).]

I think there is a bit of confusion about the video. As I understand it, it is not from FIFA2001 but from a completely different and new EA game called World Soccer Championship or something like that.

I wonder how the time spent developing this game and Euro2000 will affect FIFA2001.

If "Interviewd" shows up on this forum again maybe you could give us some news on this.

SGLEAN you fit that phrase "You just can't teach an old dog new tricks."

This is what I have to put up each freaking time I waste my CPU power on FIFA2K:

- SUPERGOALIES -> You call a goalie that can fly across a whole damn net EACH time realistic ?
- FIXED SHOTS -> I CAN'T CURVE HOW I LIKE IT ? Every freaking shot goes to the stupid keeper's hands !!!
- NO LONG RANGE GOALS -> The only time I have scored from long range is...NEVER !!! And I hate that. It pisses me off to see each time that I shoot, the goalie sticks out his stupid hands like he's god with the ball
- UNREAL DEFENSE -> I've smoked a defender only to have him racing up the field and throw a series of 14 tackles just to whack me and stop me from scoring and then the ref just letting it pass !
- SLIDES IN VAIN -> I can slide all I freaking want, but the stupid offense just does a million feints and tricks and keeps going, and if I do get him, then I get carded
- UNFAIR REFS -> They call everything on ME, but never the computer. They can plow you in the box, in the field, in your own box, but they will never get carded
- PASSES THAT ALWAYS GET INTERCEPTED -> There is hardly a time that a pass of mine does not get intercepted; either that or it hits their legs or head and it conveniently goes to another of their players as if predetermined
- HEADERS -> I CAN'T EVER GET MORE THAN THREE HEADERS !!! THEY ALWAYS WIN THE FUXING HEADERS !!! AlWAYS !!! I HATE THAT !!! Every time, off of a cross, around my box, my freaking defenders move back and let them score. I can't stand that and it's frustrating.
- CHEAP GOALS -> WTF ??? My goalie sometimes just watches the offender WALK past him, or the offender chests the ball and my goalie can't get to him.
- INABILITY TO COUNTER -> There are times when all my defenses go down and the defenders cannot even take away the ball because they are doing a flurry of unrealistically accurate passes that always end up in a goal. this leads to :
- CONSOLATION GOALS -> You are winning with a good score, or are tied at the last minute, and all defenses go down, and voila ! They score with a cheap goal
- PLAYERS -> You complain about names ? Boohoo they don't have the right name in ISS. OH who gives a flyin Phuck ! Who gives a crap about names when you can't even play the game without getting frustrated. They give some horrible player stats to some of the best players and teams in the world.
- CARTOONY GRAPHIX -> Man, I won't even say what I think about the graphix, they just SUCK

I will list every defect that I come across when I have more time. At least when I play ISS I get awesome tactics, crowds, players, TEAMWORK AND PASSES, pitches, etc

HEY CAN YOU CREATE PLAYERS IN FIFA LIKE YOU CAN IN ISS ? I DON"T THINK SO !!! unless you get FED, which was made by the USERS !!!

It's people like you SGLEAN that keep the developers from working to provide a better game, you are impressed by insignicant aspects like player names , and the graphix, which aren't even that good, and arcade gameplay

Try playing ISS, and don't come up with a stupid, lame excuse that makes me want to slap you like "oh it's a console game"

It's much more fun and realistic. Konami reigns, EA has fallen. I definitely will not buy any more products now that Interviewed has acknowledged that they don't make COMPLETE games because they work on console and PC. IF they cannot make a COMPLETE game then they shall not release it, instead of making the consumer pay for trash.

Nuff said before I get too angry here

KappA

Dear Neutral

From what you've described. it should work fine. We use a complete UK set up Pal video, pal Tv and Pal 64. they both work off hair dryer tranformers and the house has not burnt down yet.

Pinball football? You guys must watch the Premier league sometime.

Dear KAPPA

Your frustrations seem more to do with skill levels than actual game play.

Granted I share your grievance about long range shots
but everything else is football. You don't win every header in the box and you don't lose them all either, at least I don't. Its all about timing. As for player creations. I do want the REAL player because its a simulation to me. I try to make teams better through realistic transfers which I govern and I try to get West Ham to win the Premier.

PC games allow you certain freedoms which consoles cannot offer. Changing kits importing new players etc. Why should I spend thousands in rights issues when the fans can do it for free. Do you think POTD pays the premier league or Addidas and Umbro for use of those kits, EA would have to.

Databases, in the world of football its changinfg everyday and mistakes were made but guess what you can rectify them, not on the console I agree but on the PC, no problem. With or without FED, its not brain surgery guys.

Let me reiterate, I did not buy the console version of fifa because of all these problems and Judy Foudy. now Foudy was something to be mad about. EA acknowledged the mistake though, they brought out a patch.

As for slapping me, I suggest you put your energies into something more constructive like playing ISS or learning to play FIFA2K.

I think the consensus is that Fifa sucks, so I think you guys should talk about something else. Fifa bashing is going no where. Start an ISS love fest, but i think someone will start bashing that too, shortly, if anyone cared.

You are not going to change your mind, but I will at least look at ISS again and try to understand it a little better. I hate all that editing and I hate the goalkeeper saving everything, I hate the lack of skill moves and the heading is abysmal. But I willmake the effort just to prove I listen and read your postings.

By the way could you imagine CM with a great soccer engine like ISS or FIFA, now that game would rule.

But a constructive discusion is all about learning things and accepting you don't know everything. I accept I could be wrong and ISS is now the greatest thing since slice bread. NFL2K proved a console could out do a PC game but there is just so much possible through the PC with FIFA and that is my stumbling point. the game play is tremendous.

I don't know what crowds you have but mine are pretty knowledgeable, but that maybe POTD.

Yesterday was Man U vs Everton with Man U needing a victory to stay in the champioship race lead by Chelsea( I control Man U, Liverpool, West Ham and Spurs). What a game which I lost 3-2 and effectively the champioship. I was not going to save it and replay it, but you know, this is football, sometimes you lose. So I accept that maybe Fifa lost this time. But guys its not about being the best this year. Its about continually bringing out a great product year after year. EA does that, beleive me.

They are listening, maybe not here but somewhere these issues are being addressed. We are not rocket scientist and I can assure you if there were easy solutions to these problems they would be resolved by 2001. Code issues are very difficult and time constraints mean that 2001 will be basically be finished by the release of EURO 2000 . What is left is tweaking and testing and rights issues.

KAPPA, violence never solved anything, except in World War Two.

I enjoyed your response and don't lose that passion. Football rules.

You see, I can't score in ISS as much as I would like and you can't score in Fifa, see its all about goals folks.

sglean:
Thanks, - you said your all UK set up works fine, I'm just concerned since mine will be kind of a hybrid - will me North American PSX be sending out the right signal? (does it matter???)

As for pinball football = premier league
haha - now there's an old stereotype, and a most untrue one (unless you watch Bradford or Watford) - and still, even though they may play kick and run, it still isn't nearly as fast as Fifa2k.

Oh, and the heading in ISS takes time to get used to - it's different from Fifa that's all.

COME ON INTERVIEWED. EVERYBODY IS WAITING. REPLY TO OUR QUESTIONS!!!

(Ahhh! What if EA have got to him? He may be tied to a chair in a small room right now, undergoing torture. Just hope he doesn't tell them about all the stuff he's told us, or we could get a knock on the door in the middle of the night...)

"I hate all that editing and I hate the goalkeeper saving everything"

Oh the irony, you were just saying how database is changing and you can edit easily with the PC, but when it comes to editing on the PSX you hate it.

And thats the problem with sglean EA they think they can give teams with inacurate rosters and colors/kits (does the data base of kits/team colors change that much?dont think so) and expect the user to fix their mistakes.

And about the goalie, I never seen him stop shots like the goalie from FIFA does. Most of the shots in ISS are deflected where in FIFA the goalie just grabs the ball.

"Granted I share your grievance about long range shots
but everything else is football"

everything else except:

Correct Pitch size
Realistic Pace
Proper Kits (why the hell include 300 teams with wrong kits, Id rather have 50 team with proper kits or at least unlimeted slots to edit)
Proper Referee Calls (they never call against the cpu and the fouls are always random)
Realistic Tackles (theres not recover time from tackles, once I was chased by a midfielder and he tackled 12 times from my midfield to near his box, in his last tackle he brought me down and the ref didnt call a foul.)

Sglean you have to understand that we are this mad because EA is making excuses for FIFA2k being crap and are blaming us for not giving enough feed-back, how hard is to come to this board and read what we would like in the next fifa?

Not only that but all the false statements about FIFA2k having linesman, number of teams.....

"You see, I can't score in ISS as much as I would like and you can't score in Fifa, see its all about goals folks."

Your being infected by the American mentality.

I love ISS because the score are always close 3x2, 1x1 and its hard to beat the Ai.

Now in FIFA the scores are always 6x3 7x4 and in world class the AI only wins because they cheat, fouls are never called against them and whenever I tackle its a foul and their tackles seems always more efficient.


btw sglean what do you think of ISS ball controll/powerbar.

Neutral: what do you mean you have a mod-chipped playstation? You mean you have pal and ntsc chips in your box(kind of multi-system psx). If you have the pal chip in the PSX and multi-system tv I would think european games would work fine.

HI ISS

Hate the power bars, its just not football but my son and I are playing right now and we are having a great time. I am losing as usual.

I think your right about the American mentality, but Ice hockey has much the same scores as Football but there is always something going on. Americans don't seem to appreciate real football. A nil nil score can be just as exciting as 3 nil, again its about perspective. My scores on world class level are very football like, now on professional level I have given sides a 10 nil pasting. I think in one season Di Canio had 75 goals.

Hope things stay cordial and remember its only a game. I think the Leeds incident has taught us that.

By the

Yeah some people hate the powerbar, it takes time to get used. I like it alot, its great for counter-attacks, if you hold just right the long-pass button you can get a clean break.

Sorry if I sounded abit harsh and foolish, is just that MrInterviewer got me pissed about all the lame excuses, specialy when he blame us for not giving enough feedback.



[This message has been edited by ISSEVOLUTION (edited 04-16-2000).]

in reply to 'portugal2004':
about the people on the sidelines...

'Well what was the cr@p in the first 4 screen shots EA released for Fifa2K FIFA 2008!!! '

These were Softimage pictures, not actual game shots

about the videos :

'WHAT not enough space on the CD Fifa2000 only took up 412mb of the 615mb possible thats 203mb left to add much more things like more speech or league or even a:'

We never know in advance how much space will be left, besides, people prefer more speech than videos. Also videos take time to build and they look repetitive

about the bigger pitch :

'And how about a bigger pitch and screw the PLAYSTATION part that system will be out of trend when PS2 hits the USA later this year.'

The PS2 is NOT out yet and there are major problems. EA bet a lot on it and... look at the stock ! it's really low now, lots of people are not so confident about it. PS2 should come, but it's not there yet and no one can say when it'll be there for sure, lots of things happened. And, EA can't afford to screw the Playstation when seventy percent of the sales are on it. It's more important than the PC.

'ROATATING ADBOARDS LIKE NBALIVE2000 and NH2000.'

I think they were planned in the last game. I've no idea what happened to them, lots of features were cut down by lack of time

BENCH PLAYERS ARE POSSIBLE ALL OTHER EA TITLES HAVE THEM

They're definetly possible, but having the game up and running for the release date is more important. That's how priorities work...

The more this goes on, the more I am stuck between questioning the validity of this 'Interviewed', and marveling at the incompetence present at EA Sports....

Neutral, do you honestly think that I would post news about "interviewed" on Soccer Gaming and FIFA 2000 Online, two sites that between them receive over 10,000 visitors per day, only to being telling a fib?Seriously man... although you may not like what "interviewed" is telling you, if there are two people in this entire forum you should believe, it is myself and "interviewed".

So what your saying MrInterviewer is that we wont see major changes any time soon in FIFA?


"'WHAT not enough space on the CD Fifa2000 only took up 412mb of the 615mb possible thats 203mb left to add much more things like more speech or league or even a:'

We never know in advance how much space will be left, besides, people prefer more speech than videos. Also videos take time to build and they look repetitive"

Ok so why not put the 203MB to use, why not make individual jerseys for each team.

Also why a lot of jerseys have incorrect colors, I would understand wrong rosters since they change a lot, but I cant understand why EA cant get right jersey colors.

btw How is FIFA2k selling compared to past FIFAs.



[This message has been edited by ISSEVOLUTION (edited 04-17-2000).]

Mr Interviewer, Im going make a list of things Id like to see in the next FIFA and I want you to tell me if EA is planning to do it or not:

1) Bigger Pitch

2) Slower Pace (I think a bigger pitch would already slow it down)

3) Better ball controll (a powerbar would be cool, It would give you better control for longpassing and shooting)

4) Better Referee calls (right now is just to random even if the ref is set to maximum, this is football not rugby, tackles from behind should be a foul)

5) More Controll over Tackles ( You should have to aim the direction of the tackle and it should take some time for players to recover from it)

6) Better Goalie animation and Ai (some of the animations are just weird, like sometimes the goalie lets the ball through his legs just to jump back and save it inches before going into the goal)

7) Better AI


btw It would help a lot if you guys played other football games specialy ISS.

[This message has been edited by ISSEVOLUTION (edited 04-17-2000).]

SGLEAN:

I know how to play fifa games very well, thank you. I've played over 700 fifa99 matches on world class, and close to 400 on fifa2k on world class.

If you would like proof of my skill you can visit http://replays.soccergaming.com

Look in the Great Goals Section and I am RIO, with an 88.25 % not including my free kicks. In the free kicks section I have the most number posted with 3, and I'd like to see YOU score from the near post like I did off of a free kick.

Nuff Said.

Interviewed, in reply to your comments about Playstation and PS2.

First of all, thank you for that information that 70 percent of sales on this game come from PSX system. That being the case, I want to know why uncounted man-hours of FIFA's development time were spent on different cheat modes like "Alien" which are: 1. plain silly and unnecessary, and 2. unavailable to the 70 percent of your customers?


Also what was the reason for absence of unlimited bank-roll cheats for PSX version for the past two years, a crucial cheat for those who like to build fantasy teams.

I emailed these questions to EA last year and they never offered a reply, so I thought maybe you knew.

As to PS 2:
what do you mean it is not out yet? It has been released in Japan, and will be out in rest of the world before the end of this year, and if you heard anything otherwise I'd sure love to hear it here. The only problems with the system that I'm aware of is that it was inadvertantly mulit-system capable, basically it could play DVD's from different zones, (apparently breaking some kind of international commerce laws).

Also I would't worry too much about Sony stock, it just happens to be the biggest electronics company in the world, and I don't think anyone is putting them out of business anytime soon. And yes, I will be buying PS2 the first day of it's release in USA,(this will probably mean a long wait in line, maybe days...)


[This message has been edited by PolishPower (edited 04-18-2000).]

I have 3 more questions for Interviewed:

It is my understanding that absence of some teams from FIFA 2000 (Galatasaray, Porto, Sporting L.) had to do with money issues, there was a rumor going around that Gala wanted 50 thousand dollars etc. My question is: did the EA team consider making a fake team with slightly altered names of players as is the common practice with games which lack necessary licenses? As it now stands with the game, by EA omitting these teams completely, the experience of playing a fantasy Champions League is basically ruined.

Why are we limited to 1 user team in a season when we could play up to 8 teams in the past? This detracts from enjoyment for those who want to control more than 1 team, or for those who like to re-play a season agains some friends.

Why are the 2nd division teams not available to the player in the game, for playing in exhibiton mode, or for making transfers in the main front screen? At the time shortly before the release, there was much said over the fact how great it was that 2nd division teams would be in the game, but total incredulity after the game was released at the fact that EA made these teams unavailable for even exhibition matches.


[This message has been edited by PolishPower (edited 04-18-2000).]

[This message has been edited by PolishPower (edited 04-18-2000).]

one question for interviewed:
do you enjoy playing fifa2000?

i know that i don't.
i want to real real bad.
but i don't.
do you?

I don't have much time today, but here are a few answers to some questions :

ISSEVOLUTION : fifa 2k is not selling as much as the previous releases

POLISHPOWER : when I said the ps2 is not out yet here, I can name a few things such as doesn't meet the fcc rules, and Japanese gov rumored to restrain the export (long story, but it really has some sense). They are really having major issues right now. The US console is rumored to have a modem though. I can explain a bit more about all this, but it's pretty long

PSX has to be ready before PC because of manufacturing constraints, so there's a bit more time on the PC side. That's why the cheat modes were implemented on PC only. It's true that they would have been really cool on the PSX.

I have no clue why the Jersey colors are wrong, that's just a big mistake I believe.

Teams and Stadiums have to do with licencing, that's a tough subject. I don't think there's an ideal solution. Not having a team or mis-spelling the names in it are not ideal solutions. People will be unhappy either way