http://xbox360.gaming-universe.de/news/1098_pro-evolution-soccer-6-76-screens-und-xbox-360-boxart.html

HAHA THERE ARE SOME PRICELESS SCREENS!

http://xbox360.gaming-universe.de//screengalerie/10069.jpg

http://xbox360.gaming-universe.de//screengalerie/10064.jpg

http://xbox360.gaming-universe.de//screengalerie/10075.jpg

Damn, those screens look really nice, I can't wait for PES 6 to come out :).

theres a screenshot there, showing only 4 teams, im guessin that its a demo of PES6 on x360, maybe this means a demo i immenant?? be certainly hopes so

Gamespot has lots of 360 pics as well, http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/spor...ml?sid=6158263

I posted in the other thread that there's gonna be a ps2 demo in opsm 4-5 October issue.

Wow, it look's utterly fantastic :)

It would be brill if the pc version will look like that on a high spec pc :rockman:

Konami will be shooting themself in the foot if we get a run of the mill ps2 port yet fecking again.

when is the official release of PES6 PC?

when is the official release of PES6 PC?


20th October ;)

De demo consists of 4 teams, just like the demo on the Leipzig Game Convention one month ago.

It was 20th October, it's now been moved to November apparently.

where did you hear that then?

yes, where?

Look on Play.com...

Looks little better than the regular PS2 version to me.

It doesnt look next gen at all. Im really dissapointed in this. If you look at Fifa 07 and PES 6 on the 360 then you can say that Fifa is light years ahead in terms of graphics. O well lets hope the gameplay is good. More like PES 3/4 and NOT like PES 5 ( :nape: :nape: )

It doesnt look next gen at all. Im really dissapointed in this. If you look at Fifa 07 and PES 6 on the 360 then you can say that Fifa is light years ahead in terms of graphics. O well lets hope the gameplay is good. More like PES 3/4 and NOT like PES 5 ( :nape: :nape: )

totally agree with you....it does not look next gen....

just compare fifa 07 graphics to PES6 graphics

FIFA 07:
http://gamesradar.futuregamer.it/upload_images/FIFA360%5B210906%5D/FIFA360_1%5B210906%5D.jpg
PES6:
http://xbox360.gaming-universe.de//screengalerie/10064.jpg



I even think that PES5 for PC looks better than PES6 for 360

To bw totally honest, it's unacceptable for agame like this to go to next gen with these graphics, no matter what the rest of the game is. Port made in a hurry.

It's not all about graphics !!!!

If you don't think the pics are an improvement over pes5 on the pc, go to specsavers a.s.a.p :)

And why compare them to fifa, we all know that game is graphics over substance :chew:

Kit textures :nape:
Pitch lighting :nape:
Stadium effect :nape:

Far from next-gen.
PES7 then...

DONT TELL ME THIS DONT LOOK NEXT GEN, LOOK AT THE DETAIL!!

http://xbox360.gaming-universe.de//screengalerie/9730.jpg

Wow FIFA07 does look a whole lot better. Damn it looks so fricken good I'm going to buy it and just let the computer play against itself and then stare at the screen and drool. I mean it looks so damn nice I just couldn't go and ruin everything by, oh you know, actually playing it!

EA's gone and shined up their turd real well this year.

ya fifa blows this away visually.. the pic u showd of the boots , fifa does that effect.. (one of the rare things pes took from ea).. and it looks 50 times better.. ill be buying both as i always do.. prob play fifa till we07 comes out.. hopefully the kits will move this yr for fifa bothere dme last yr... but 07 should be awesome for 360.. i mean if they keep copying winning eleven, it just gets better becuse of it

ya fifa blows this away visually.. the pic u showd of the boots , fifa does that effect.. (one of the rare things pes took from ea).. and it looks 50 times better.. ill be buying both as i always do.. prob play fifa till we07 comes out.. hopefully the kits will move this yr for fifa bothere dme last yr... but 07 should be awesome for 360.. i mean if they keep copying winning eleven, it just gets better becuse of it

totally agree with the copying thing, keep copying fifa, u will get there and go in ur own direction eventually. are those fifa screens actual in game play, or just camera zoom ins, or even intro? any screens of actualy gameplay with player markers etc, EAsports have a tendency to show intro screens a lot!

Wake up guys! Do you even know how many layers of photoshop Fifa put on those pictures. You silly kids. Same thing was with Fifa World cup, where they showed like everything so beautiful and then Ronaldihno face and shirt was sparkling. And in game it looked like ****! and if you play Demo Fifa 07 when a player scores a goal it looks **** too! Fifa fools you and you stupid peoples make them rich for nothing every year! Fifa just sit there and laughing from idiots like you... Get some brains for god sake. Fifa spends 70 % of a year photoshoping those pics and 30% on making normal realistic game.

No need to be abusive fool!

Wake up guys! Do you even know how many layers of photoshop Fifa put on those pictures. You silly kids. Same thing was with Fifa World cup, where they showed like everything so beautiful and then Ronaldihno face and shirt was sparkling. And in game it looked like ****! and if you play Demo Fifa 07 when a player scores a goal it looks **** too! Fifa fools you and you stupid peoples make them rich for nothing every year! Fifa just sit there and laughing from idiots like you... Get some brains for god sake. Fifa spends 70 % of a year photoshoping those pics and 30% on making normal realistic game.
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You've proved your point, we all now can see who has a brain and who talks off his arse. What's the pc demo got to do with everything? 'fifa fools' lmao, are you on a mission to help ppl against evil developers? They all are after our money, haven't you heard? EA has actually done some effort for this release at least...can you say the same for konami? maybe you can but do you really believe it? They recycly the kind of gameplay they used to have couple years ago in every new release as an improved gameplay, which always leaves ppl hungry for next years improvements...I'll bet a dime they haven't even fixed the online issues yet.

Facts: Fifa - 360 - has moved a long way in all aspects, while pes6 is mostly a we10 which was a pes5 port, which was a pes4 port etc) port in 720p, no matter which you prefer and what's the definition of fun for any of us, KONAMI sit on their lazy ass waiting to feel the heat. You can still worship them but you can't argue with that, unless you're blind.

I get both every year and will do the same again but seems to me pes/we fanboys are getting close to be what they used to laugh on with fifa fanboys.

If you have read seabass's interview's saying gk issues were adressed and solved properly or something, and now everybody who played the game says gk's are the worse they had ever seen and get prepared for double scores than you used to have, plus that game feels like pes4 while being a we10 port with minor tweaks.

Anyway, just keep an open mind guys and get what plays more fun, could be tif or sensible soccer if it suits you but fanboyism is so stupid but yet so popular...

totally agree with you....it does not look next gen....

just compare fifa 07 graphics to PES6 graphics

FIFA 07:
http://gamesradar.futuregamer.it/upload_images/FIFA360%5B210906%5D/FIFA360_1%5B210906%5D.jpg
PES6:
http://xbox360.gaming-universe.de//screengalerie/10064.jpg



I even think that PES5 for PC looks better than PES6 for 360

Yeah but have you played the fifa demo it is ****

yeah it is sh*t..............ea said they changed the game engine but guess what? Its still the same old fifa!

Pes improves every year.

yeah it is sh*t..............ea said they changed the game engine but guess what? Its still the same old fifa!

Pes improves every year.

The new engine is in next gen version, pc demo is a tottaly different thing. Haven't played it, might be same old but oppinions go both ways. I don't care as I'm waiting to see the 360 version.

As for pes improving every year, well whatever. While it is trully superior in some aspects, it hasen't improved at all in each and every one of the others, and it's not only the licenses. I'll have my final word when I play the 360 demo, if it plays like they say it does and has the atmosphere, licenses, gfx and sound I know it has, scr3w seabass and his ps2 port. If it doesn't, I'll get my fair share of both.

^^ Alou: if you want atmosphere, licences, graphics, and sound then I've got nothing to say. Go buy FIFA07. You'll be very happy. Its got all the flash you could ever dream of. I like football and solid gameplay mechanics so I buy WE. To each his own.

deKerf, I've been playing both for far too many years, I have a very good picture of both franchises as they developed the last decade or so. My point in the talk we do here is I see Fifa spending money and effort to move on, while Konami don't. And basically, what I would like to achieve through this is to awake ppl who appreciate pes in order to make such a demand through the community. Well, it won't happen but that's my reasoning anyway,cheers.

Fair enough man but my point is I will take gameplay over anything else anyday. If it comes down to improving the game engine or having better textured faces or stadiums or whatever well you can guess what my preference is going to be. I downloaded the FIFA demo for PC and it sucked. Now I know that FIFA often plays a lot better on consoles than on PC but in my opinion it is usually better in ways like framerate and animation smoothness. However, the core gameplay generally remains the same on PC and console. I also realize the 360 is in a different league than the PS2 so the differences may be more pronounced or maybe EA will just make it a straight-up better game this year like the way that the NHL version this year with the 360 getting the skill-stick and the PC version and other console versions basically just crappy ports of last years version.

Honestly, I'm very skeptical of the FIFA series. They finally re-wrote the ball physics this year and the game is still garbage (the PC version anyways, we'll see about the 360 version). Every year I give FIFA a chance and rent the games or download the demo's and its always crap. Nevertheless, they still sell tonnes of copies, why should this year be different, Xbox360 version or not?

Personally, I think it seems that Konami is beginning to slow down a bit. Seems like they're getting more and more behind FIFA, which I think is just great, because it brings in new and fresh competition to the soccer game market - to trade roles every fifth year or so. But I'm really excited about what EA claims to have done with this year's next-gen FIFA. If they've done what they say they have, then I'm sure FIFA will be back on the right track, and it's about time too. But if they fail at what they're promising all the fans worldwide, if it's just 'the ol' same cup of annual FIFA', then EA are screwed. They can't risk so much, promising all soccer fans that this year's FIFA will be a revolution in gaming, just to find that nothing's severely changed. So it seems that EA are laying down all their cards, and betting everything they have - will it be a blind bet? Well, we'll just have to wait and see...

Who ceares about improvement? Still PES is better! If you so smart than go buy game that is worse but improved more. And btw it cost more than Pes here in US.

Nobody needs you anyway.

Honeslty i can't understand why many believe that FIFA looks betters. It just looks shiny but superfake. Models look like plastic, face texture like robot. I believe people are generally fooled by bright colors and shades. Even patch makers tend to make everything shining like hell.

Konami improves steadily visually: Nothing superfancy or state of the heart, but still looks more realistic. Although they should focus much more on skin textures and shape players bodies in a better.

I would rather have sound improvement than visual improvement: a nice atmosfere in stadium is very much missing.

State of the heart= state of the art

I think i am getting romantic talking about pes---------- :jap: :ewan:

Why are people in the huff because pes6 doesn't look as good as that pic of fifa 07, lets wait and see if that is the genuine graphics of the in-game engine for the xbox 360 version :hump:

I will be happy if the pc version is the same graphically as the xbox 360 version, because it's an improvement over pes5.

Seabass: In the past we focused on the PS2 version of PES first but with the switch to next-gen everything is now led on PC and then moved across onto Xbox 360 and PS3, so the formats are now treated very equally

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/730/730118p2.html :lui:

totally agree with the fact that after seeing various xbox 360 screens, i gotda point out that the pc version is much better infact imagine the updates later on when you play with the xbox360 version it's gonna be out dated and out wipped, people still talk about pes5 for pc when there is winning eleven 9 liveware evolution for the pc, it's just like we10 only unmatched by pes6 for the pc, let's put aside the xbox360, i don 't think it has any specialities,

Trandadam!

Now superhero (me) Comes to rescue and put your hand away from your wallet where there is already 40 bucks that you about to waste on another Fifa's money grabbing partay.

Hmmm... Those xbox pics looks stunning. Wow dudes. So much better than pes omg.. sweettt...

*sniff**sniff*. ewww.. do i smell like about 18 layers of photoshop on that thing? Hell yeah cause that does not look like what i expected :

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2637/fifazh9.jpg

http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/8096/wtfri1.png

Over its years Fifa never learned to put normal numbers.. oh lord. Kits are pathetic and everything looks like it 1998 game. Fifa world cup 2002 owned this garbage. Shame on them. Especeally for all those lies they make. The only thing that is improved over 2 years is faces, no more.

And for Enstains that will come and tell me fairy tell stories about that Xbox 360 will be much better than come check this out :

http://eademo.phosworks.se/images/screenshots/75825-General%20Screens_05.JPG
or this
http://eademo.phosworks.se/images/screenshots/75819-General%20Screens_12.JPG
or even this
http://eademo.phosworks.se/images/screenshots/75828-General%20Screens_02.JPG

Oh yeah i betcha you already got it... Does it looked like this in game .. OH RLY? Poor printer can't handle all those photoshop paint fabrics printing in pounds just to cover the truth about how horrible this game. I smelling another fresh pack of EA lies!

So insthead of coming here and saying that i tell some crap you have to atleast say thanks for trying to save your money. Fifa do make improvement more than Pes but i don't want to buy a worse game just cause it improved more.

verpakovskis, are you a parody because you sound like one?

"wow dudes"?

"Oh yeah i betcha you already got it"?

I'm sure you're trying to be Borac!

Something I noticed. PES licensed kits don't really get creased as much as FIFA 2007 kits.

PES6 does, to me, appear to be more of a simple port over from the PS2 version.

What prevents it from being a direct port are the fact that the graphical engine clearly has been polished somehwat. And, the game doesn't seem to have that quick feeling that the PS2 footage gives me. I'll welcome that purely because I feel they've went too pace-orientated in PES6 on the PS2.

It's not really their first proper attempt at a next-gen title, really. Konami like to port things over and, in a weird way, give the players more of a level playing field.

Aestetically, PES6 strikes me more as something similar to the ISS Games. Players seem leaner.

As for FIFA, they give it a new coat of paint every year but never seem to tinker with engine of the game enough to warrant purchase.

FIFA 07 - Skill Moves (http://youtube.com/watch?v=gldXn2bGDQs&mode=related&search=)

All very well and good but, it's not like they're difficult to pull off and, they're just addons.

FIFA 07 Gameplay (http://youtube.com/watch?v=PdkQIkXC1Pg&mode=related&search=)

Very quick. Slow, methodical build-up can be completely bypassed by a quick dart down the wing. Just as Konami rarely improve the look of their game, EA rarely change the feel of theirs. They also seem to have weird shades of green on their pitches. Making them look, well, dusty. And, whilst we're nitpicking, they've taken the presentation of the games to a weird cinematic hell that looks nothing like the TV coverage they're trying to replicate.

Finally, a comparison:

FIFA vs. PES (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ACWW4TfoboU)

I can't apologise enough for the soundtrack. Admittedly, it doesn't give much of PES but it does show you that it can indeed go into a fair bit of detail. Also, the players seem far less generic. Admittedly (this may just be the perspective of the footage) they all have skinny legs now. And, I don't see whether they've finally given the keepers the ability to stretch for efforts and save one-handed.

FIFA do indeed have the upper hand in terms of animation. I often wonder how much motion capture Konami does. As good as the animations are in PES, they've left out some emissions when it comes to goalkeepers. Some of them being absolutely fatal (set peices, definitely). Luckily, one of the major bugs in PES (The tee-up freekick from 40 yards) can be avoided simply by avoiding the thing that triggers it. Some of the glitches I've seen in FIFA's recent history just seems unforgivable. Balls going through keepers hands, heads, etc...

Not that PES is without clipping errors. Got a problem with a defender, kick through his face. I do regard the AI in PES to be a bit more flexible and individual, though. Just yesterday, I had a Mavuba shot from 20 yards that, weirdly went along the ground and found the net. Upon closer inspection, Lucas Neill looked as if he was going to boot it, but he got air, instead. Freidel appeared to be relying on Neill to clear up, so the shot beats him.

So, some goals are weird, but they have a logic to them. Including the oh so common "I didn't want to headbutt the post" excuse.

All in all, I prefer PES. It treats the match itself as the main draw. Not the players individual abilities. And each match seems different with a different goal winning each time. It amazes me to think what EA have abandoned over the years.

Proper physics engine to the nets (Nitpicking, again)
1-99 abilities.

The latter of which would give the players so much individuality. I can only assume EA abandoned this to cut down on the size of the player database. When you consider PES's database has a fraction of the players, it seems to offer so much more.

If this comparison is between the best FIFA claims to offer to the best of what we already know about Konami, it's both stupid and futile.

Futile b/c no one here has played the best FIFA claims to offer, which is the next-gen version and its supposed new gameplay.

Stupid b/c comparing it, even had we played it, to the current versions and experiences of PES5 is doing Konami a disservice.

These "reviews" and decisions are just simply premature. I know this community hates to wait - I do too - but we've got nothing substantive to base our arguments upon at this point...unless you were IN Leipzig and played the next-gen platforms.

Otherwise, most folks here are talking out their ass.

Going forward please articulate what it is you are trying to talk about; is it strictly a PC discussion, or not? Are we talking next-gen, or not? Confusing/conflating the two this year may be ignoring a difference with a real distinction.

I have just watched a little gameplay movie of pro 6 on gamespot, and to be totally honest i don't see anything different from pro 5.
Well i did notice in that particular movie file that no fouls were given by the referee, but apart from that nothing.
I also thought pro 6 for the pc was going to be next gen graphics, oh well maybe not this year. Mind you as long as it plays ok, and lets face it that's what the pes series is all about really.

http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/4228/1098_0001.jpg
http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/4228/1098_0002.jpg

That's so sharp it's cut my eyes.

maybe its photoshop, but these screens look the best i've seen so far.

maybe its photoshop, but these screens look the best i've seen so far.

I agree, where did you finf these?

Woah, awesome. Lets hope it stays this way. These shots came from xboxyde.com.

"Konami released these two images of Pro Evolution Soccer 6 on Xbox 360, proving what the trailer already confirmed - that the game already looks much better than it did on the one month old announcement-images."

Clearly Konami have touched up the graphics. :)

Aye, they've sharpened it just a wee bit.

Yeah looks nice the way most pics look nice after you go over them with Photoshop's unsharp mask filter haha. I think the 360 verison is going to look nice but I would be more concerned about the quality of the 360 controller's d-pad (for those of us who use the d-pad). Even Seabass voiced concerns about it in his IGN interview plus those big analog L2/R2 buttons are kinda awkward as well. Great for driving games but not so much as on/off digital buttons as used in PES.

One question I would like to know is what is the PC version going to look like? Next-gen or PS2?? Really surprising that there is no official word on this yet... and where the heck is our demo? TGS is pretty much over and still nothin. Man.

My guess is that the PC will have PS2 level graphics. If its better than bonus but I really doubt it.

One question I would like to know is what is the PC version going to look like? Next-gen or PS2?? Really surprising that there is no official word on this yet... and where the heck is our demo? TGS is pretty much over and still nothin. Man.
My guess is that the PC will have PS2 level graphics. If its better than bonus but I really doubt it.

It is strange there's news on that yet, we might have to wait for the demo to find out if it will be next gen graphics on the pc, but if they've produced the xbox 360 version on the pc, then by rights the pc version should be next gen enabled, there should be a good chance the demo will be out this week :hump:

I would be more concerned about the quality of the 360 controller's d-pad (for those of us who use the d-pad). Even Seabass voiced concerns about it in his IGN interview plus those big analog L2/R2 buttons are kinda awkward as well. Great for driving games but not so much as on/off digital buttons as used in PES.

Interesting, I was going to upgrade to the xbox 360 controller, but i've never tried one ......... am I better sticking with the ps2 controller ?

Thanks mister m for the pics. And wow they look very very good i must say. If we have to wait another year for the pc's version of pro 7 to look like that, well i don't mind waiting.
As for my trusty 360 i really don't buy many games for it, but believe me pro 6 will be at the top of my shopping list,lol

http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/4228/1098_0001.jpg
http://images.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/4228/1098_0002.jpg

Right kits for NT's? And look at those graphics, now, that's the ****.

the boots look awsome look at materazi's boots simply awsome

man...now im really thinkin if i should get the 360 wen pes6 comes out...argh!! :nape:

man...now im really thinkin if i should get the 360 wen pes6 comes out...argh!! :nape:


Then how will you be able to mod it? :)

Stick with the pc kid,We'll have next gen graphics next year! And the ability to change them!

I wouldn't waste my time with a 360 there crap

If you're gonna buy just for pes, then wait till ps3 as they say the have the first actual next gen pes title under development for it. Although I have a 360 and wont turn over at 360's launch, if I just wanted pes I would consider waiting for ps3. They always worked better together ;)

FIFA 07 - Skill Moves (http://youtube.com/watch?v=gldXn2bGDQs&mode=related&search=)


I'd love to see just half of those skills in PES - imo that's what makes it a real expirience. Ronaldo does that move^ in every game in real life, and it would be much more realistic if they made some of those skills in PES6. Also Robinhos skill looked so much like Robinho.

I've tried the FIFA demo though, and it doesn't do the trick for me.

Wouldn't mind FIFA's many skills though

Nack: i dont do mods...i use a (crappy/hardly loadin) ps2...all i do are in game editing...yes, real names n all...a good thing to do if u wanna waste a weekend... :ewan:

ALou: have no plans in gettin a ps3, fakcin expensive...its either the 360 or the wii...main priority is pes/we of course but i do play other sports n racin games...oh, n read at some reliable sites that there isnt that much of a difference between the 360 n ps3...though there are, its not like day n night...

heh what's with all the photoshop talk? I've played FIFA 06 on the X360 and it DOES look exactly like the screenshots. it does look kind of plastic but that comes to show in the screenshots as well.

and how can you say PS2's PES graphics are better? the new engine is clearly better: more polygons used in every player, higher-res textures, per-pixel lighting and normalmapping. the pitch textures seem a lot better too

One thing I was thinking about with the 360 version was custom option files. I don't think there is anyway to get those onto a 360 HD as of yet.

I'd love to see just half of those skills in PES - imo that's what makes it a real expirience. Ronaldo does that move^ in every game in real life, and it would be much more realistic if they made some of those skills in PES6. Also Robinhos skill looked so much like Robinho.

I've tried the FIFA demo though, and it doesn't do the trick for me.

Wouldn't mind FIFA's many skills though

Ive played the demo but I won't be buying the game ... but the skill moves I tired worked with Ronaldino , right analog stick clockwise = Zidane spin and anti-clockwise = a sort of all in one dragback heel flick over shoulder ..

As for the 1st trick in the video , in a real game the ref would give a freekick , holding the ball between both ankles and jumping.

Ive played the demo but I won't be buying the game ... but the skill moves I tired worked with Ronaldino , right analog stick clockwise = Zidane spin and anti-clockwise = a sort of all in one dragback heel flick over shoulder ..

As for the 1st trick in the video , in a real game the ref would give a freekick , holding the ball between both ankles and jumping.

Og perhaps I didn't make my self clear: By "Didn't do the trick for me" I didn't mean I couldn't get the tricks working I just meant that the demo itself didn't impress me - didn't get my blood steaming.
Even though it had some cool feints/skills/tricks which I'd love to see in PES such as C. Ronaldo and Robinho's move.


It's actually funny - after playing one half in FIFA 07 demo and then going back to PES - you can really see the difference in gameplay and graphic - I'd prefer PES graphic anytime - it's more detailed and clear when playing. Not to mention the small sized FIFA pitch.

As for the 1st trick in the video , in a real game the ref would give a freekick , holding the ball between both ankles and jumping.

actually mate, that trick was performed by a mexican player (blanco i think it was) in the world cup 98 if i remember correctly... yet the ref didnt give anythin..

Look at the trailer at gaming/socceraccess.com and download the 360 trailer there are no names on the back on PES, Just numbers

It's actually funny - after playing one half in FIFA 07 demo and then going back to PES - you can really see the difference in gameplay and graphic - I'd prefer PES graphic anytime - it's more detailed and clear when playing. Not to mention the small sized FIFA pitch.

I totally agree, Rhiger. I've also tested the FIFA 07 demo and wasn't impressed at all. Ok, improved movement of players, nice tricks but that's it (maybe improved ball physics too but I didn't recognized it that much).

The graphics are still quite modest. Awful faces (of course I do care) and the shape of the player's body is far from realistic. I appreciate PES graphics more and more after having played FIFA and would stick to it anytime. And with all this great editing stuff (kits, boots, pitches, stadiums) I never felt that I'm finally done with improving my game further and further.

Due to this I think I was never too curious about PES 6 but now I'm starting to have a stronger interest the closer the release date is. ;)

Well, i think that there´s 2 mistakes, one from Konami and another from EA.

The big mistake from Konami was to introduce the new PES6 with these Adriano intro/render screenshots, making people to think, pfff man...this is awesome...ingame screenshots. And finally we saw the real ingame graphics from this game. Is clear that are much much much better than in PS2 but not like they "sell" us at the beggining. So, is normal that we see now a "port" as some people wrotte here, but not really next-gen graphics. Then, arrives the dissapointment due that mistake. But, maybe when we will try the demo, the gameplay will make forgot that the graphics are not so good as we hoped at the beggining. We should to wait for the demo.

And the big mistake from EA, as always, is the same mistake like every year, photoshop i love you. We have not in hands the 360 demo, but we have the pc demo, and, obviously again is not like they sell us again. Gameplay is really improved but not like PES, and the graphics....well....better not comment them, overall if you have an ati card, with this frame-rate problems. About the 360 version, well, the screenshots look nice, but it looks too nice, and im afraid that finally it will not looks so great. Anyway we have to wait for the demo too, aswell for pes. The only thing that EA has more in his favour is the fact that is not his first game for 360, for Konami yes, is their first game for this console, but they know more about gameplay.

So, finally, if FIFA 07 will have this ingame graphics and the gameplay is good but not like is pes... it will worth to buy, and with PES 6, if the gameplay is so good, we will forgot that the graphics are not so awesome like we thought, it will worth to buy too. Both options are valid if from this point if both complish their promises.

Graphics are really important, but if you dont feel that the gameplay is good, nevermind about how real the graphics are, is like a movie plenty of CGI effects..it looks great, but, if this script is bad...then?? Let´s wait for the 360 demos, and the pes6 pc demo, and compare and let´s see if this people from Konami and EA deserves the money that they earn....or not...

Take care

neovico
The Mind

Actually the amazing Adriano facial details are the same as the X360 movies and screens. The Inter Milan Kit textures are what I found very deceptive in comparison to the early renders you mentioned. The colours, shades, and folds of the jersey and all. This, they didn't produce in the final X360 version.

But about the Adriano facial details, if you compare the first pic with the new ones, well, is not exactly, i mean....there´s no sweat in this last videos that we can wacth, neither the texture is exactly the same. The first pic that we saw is more like an NBA live or NBA 2k7 face detail.....i guess that the reason is that is not the same 10 players than 22, but well...may be they can arrange it a bit more.

About the kit textures im totally agree, it seems with less polygons and with less resolution than in the first pics, with an strange blur over the textures, are not so defined.

If finally they cannot arrange all of this in the final version, i think that PES7 will looks like the very first Adriano images that we saw.

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neovico
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Yes, you're right. I forgot about the amazing Adriano screen with the sweat...

My expectations are so high for PES7, too... unlike any other version. If they screw this one up... I'll...I'll.... look forward to pes8.... as usual. But I have a strong feeling that this time, they won't.

Agree...may be for to be the first attemp on 360....may be for to make the game quickly, i dont know the real reason, but is clear that PES7 or PES8 will be much better, almost in graphics terms.

Take care

neovico
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