I was surprised when i found out that a danish games magazine, PcPlayer already had reviewed the full version of Fifa 07. I recieved the magazine in my mailbox yesterday. first of all, PcPlayer is a very professional and relieable magazine, and the target audience is mostly experienced gamers who are 20 years old and above, and as it is well respected, they tend to have good contacts so sometimes they get to review games a long time before there is a review up on IGN or Gamespot. Therefore i am confident that the review reflects a fair opinion and that it is not just based on the demo.

Now to the important part: The game recieved a score of 5.5 out of 10...
Though PcPlayer is normally a hard grader, 5.5 is not impressive by any standards.

The conclusion was, that the gaming engine just has'nt elvolved enough during the last couple of years, and dispite the massive amount of player and clubs, the general gameplay is too unrealistic by todays standards. The difference between FIfa 07 and Fifa 2006(or 2005 for that matter) is just so small that it is hard to tell. The review then says that the improvement in the 90ies were much more significant, and i actually think this is a very good point, then you think about the difference between fifa 96, 97, 98 and 99. Back then, it every year EA produced a completly new football experience.

The game also recieved grades in the following subcategories:

Graphics: 6
Sound/Music: 8
Gameplay: 5
Value: 8
Tilt: 5

And then the overall was: 5.5

Bad review, how can they compare FIFA 07 to FIFA 05 or 06? The game this year has completely new physics and shots animations, also the keepers animations are also a lot better.

I don't think FIFA is better than PES but it is a good game, at least 7 for me.

That's harsh, if PES didn't exist it'd probably get a 9. It deserves a 7 at least in my humble opinion.

There's also a review from another Danish gaming magazine called Gamereactor... (Man, we Danes rock! :rockman: )

http://www.gamereactor.dk/texter/?id=63534

I know there's really not any of you who can read Danish - except me and LFCFAN - and maybe a couple of others.... Doesn't matter! ;)

The point is, Gamereactor are giving the game a really positive review - giving it a total score of 8/10, that's a fair score.

The score points are:
Graphics: 7
Sound: 7
Gameplay: 8
Longevity: 8

And the pros are: Lifelike animations. Great control of the ball. Great career mode.
And the cons are: A few AI-glitches. The Commentary. (I don't get that.)

They reviewed the Xbox-version - you know, current-gen.

Os danskere styrer! :D

hoooorrriibbbbbbbblee review, PC player sucks, wand why!? why is that new review written in dutch, im not dutch annddd never intend to be PSV wins the C.L of course then everyones is going to be dutch

....What do you mean 'Dutch'??
It's Danish....

oh, 5,5 is horrible man... :kader:

....What do you mean 'Dutch'??
It's Danish....

o...........whoops

LFCFAN, are you even serious?!?!?! I mean, is this magazine really stupid or just acting stupid?!!!!

Man, I'm not trying to say that you are wrong, but think about it: the lowest score ever seen in many review-famous sites -such as gamespot.com- for a game was almost a 5.0! In other words, what your "sexy" danish magazine is saying is that simply FIFA 07 is one of the worst games ever created!!!! Come on man, you got to burn this magazine, or at least stop your subscription with it! they are a total joke in the world of gaming. Shame on them!

They are either nuts, or just a bunch of "review-men" wannabes. :chew:

Biggy I've seen a lot worse scores than 5.5.
Point: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/driving/bigrigsotrr/review.html?sid=6086528

Who knows, maybe 07 deserves it. 06 certainly didn't deserve a 9+.



Dipset: What do you mean why is it in Dutch (Danish)? It's a Danish website. Maybe they should do a special English review just for you?

Ok, gamerguy350, let's say that there are 20 million games that got less than 5.0, that still doesnt make that lame magazine any right, or even close to right!

As I said: They are either nuts, or just a bunch of "review-men" wannabes. in other words, they should swim in an oil tank then burn their selves by riding a spaceship to the sun; that's the least they can do for such lame review score! And anyone who supports them is just another lame gamer! :chew:

Lame: someone who doesn't understand what is going on. (From Answers.com)

But they've played the full game and you haven't. How would you know whether they're right or not?

gamerguy350, mmmm, dose the word "Demo" mean anything to you??!! :jap:

Doesn't it say on the start up screen something along the lines of 'this demo is not an accurate representation of the full game. all material can be changed, etc.'?

As i wrote in my first post, a score of 5.5 is not that bad in this magazine, and that is a good thing, because i think they use the scale correctly. 5.5 pretty much means average, whereas a game rated 7 is a good game. Only very very few games get a score of 9 or above, and over the last 6-7 years only 2 games have earned a perfect 10. So where a rating of 5.5 is a horrible score on IGN or gamespot, it is actually not that awful in this magazine (all though it is not a good score either) . Please keep that in mind.

And no biggy, this "bunch of review-men wannabes" (???) are in fact the most experienced and professional in Denmark and thier opinons are well respected. I think PCPlayer is far more thorough and mature than, for example gamespot(i feel thier writers often don't know much about football), and i think that they do have a point.

Just look at the progress, or lack of progress the franchise have made over the past 5 years. Is it unfair to expect more than EA delivers, when we look at how well they improved the game every year in the 90ies, when they had tougher competition?

Don't get me wrong, i love fifa(and PES just as much), and no matter how bad or good each game turns out to be, i am going to play it anyway. But i think it is right to blame EA sports for being to lazy.

MY REVIEW: 10 :) ... the BEST GAME

Ok, gamerguy350, let's say that there are 20 million games that got less than 5.0, that still doesnt make that lame magazine any right, or even close to right!

As I said: They are either nuts, or just a bunch of "review-men" wannabes. in other words, they should swim in an oil tank then burn their selves by riding a spaceship to the sun; that's the least they can do for such lame review score! And anyone who supports them is just another lame gamer! :chew:

Lame: someone who doesn't understand what is going on. (From Answers.com)


Well, i'm another lame gamer then.
Oh wait, maybe thats just your lame opinion uh?

FIFA07 deserves no more than a 6, at least for current gen. Lets see if the 360 version brings real gameplay upgrades and not just some minor stuff.

The reason fifa07 doesnt deserve more than 6/10 is cause theres a game called PES that has THE GAMEPLAY.

So:
Lame: someone who doesn't understand what is going on. (From Answers.com): Biggy

:P

LFCFAN, thank you for the explanation, now the score makes more sense. 5.5 in PCPlayer = 7.5 on gamespot, which is fair enough. :)

Biggy I've seen a lot worse scores than 5.5.
Point: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/driving/bigrigsotrr/review.html?sid=6086528

Who knows, maybe 07 deserves it. 06 certainly didn't deserve a 9+.



Dipset: What do you mean why is it in Dutch (Danish)? It's a Danish website. Maybe they should do a special English review just for you?



Yes english review would be nice :lui:

They don't even notice the gameplay difference between FIFA 06 and FIFA 07 :rolleyes: , while it's huge.

Biggy, dude!! why are you like that?!!?.. I like that you thank him for the explanation, AFTER you made your opinions about denmark and the danish reviewers clear.

but dude, seriously, next time ask for an explanation BEFORE comming with an exclamation like that..

actually l also like the fact that they use the scale rightfully


Cus...(who btw. still miss the "agreed"-button in this forum)

Biggy, dude!! why are you like that?!!?.. I like that you thank him for the explanation, AFTER you made your opinions about denmark and the danish reviewers clear.

but dude, seriously, next time ask for an explanation BEFORE comming with an exclamation like that..

actually l also like the fact that they use the scale rightfully


Cus...(who btw. still miss the "agreed"-button in this forum)


That makes two of us Cus....

haha 5.5 is pretty much fair grade LOL

let's not talk about the ****ty game play, i got bored of it

let's just talk about the small details:

no button config, no installation pack, new demo cant run

at least EA should get the simple things right, then get to harder things.

Check out IGN for a real review, that magazine that gave it a 5.5 sounds like garbage. Not changed? The ball physics alone are a HUGE step forward for this game...

gentlemen,

Take it easy. The best review is your own review!

I play this game since 1994 and believe me, just as all the years before the game is making a nice progression. This year they invested more time in gameplay. For me it is a good discission.

The graphics stay at a high level. But to be honest most of the time I look at the game from a wide angle. I like to see a big part of the playfield.

My advise, try the game for yourself and believe me, if you liked the older fifa's then I am sure you are going to have a lot of hours fifa fun. It must be that I am 39 now, but believe me: don't invest in a discussion, invest in hours of gameplay!

Have a lot of fun friends! :jap:

The biggest gaming site of the Netherlands "Gamer.nl" gives Fifa 07 an 8.0.

Biggest problem was the lousy AI of the forwards and goalies... If you control the D+Z shot, then you'll score 80% of all the shots you do from outside the 16m.
And besides that there is still no big difference in the player stats... Unlike PES were there is a big difference between Kaka and Rick Kruys, you can score with any player from any place in Fifa,..

More realistic or not,.. Fifa will allways be ment to be a "pick-and-play game". I can imagine why people will quit playing PES after just 10 games... it's very hard to master, but so is Fifa on legend mode...

I'll stick with PES this year,.. alltough I have to admit that Fifa is getting better and better,..

Check out IGN for a real review, that magazine that gave it a 5.5 sounds like garbage. Not changed? The ball physics alone are a HUGE step forward for this game...


LOL

IGN is american.... americans in general dont like/understand football. IGN last year gave FIFA06 8 something and said that it was as good as PES.... come on.

I really, really, really disliked the last few years of fifa - lots of features but in the end games and players felt very generic.

At the moment I'm really having fun again with 07. It's nothing spectacular if you think that they are making soccer/football games for so long - in a way I see good things that I already saw in 2001/2002 to be honest.
Still, I'm really having fun trying to pass around and score.

Compared to PES5, which has a lot of depth, is very annoying at times and not much fun if you play it often - AI cheats a lot, AI knows where you want to pass because of the buttons you press and is able to intercept your passes easily - while in real life players can't react to a pass you haven't made yet :)

So while PES5 still might be on top, it has a lot of weak points as well - it should be more natural and less Konaminized, if you know what I mean.
Fifa 07 has, while not as good as PES5, a much nicer feel and calmer gameplay, which makes it more fun to start it up and play a single game or a tournament.

What I miss in every soccer/football game is the ability to play a normal season with your team, qualify for the Champ League/Uefa Cup and play those the following year, etc. But without all the manager crap - manager mode it too much and too busy imo.

Overall, after just a day of playing I think it's the best Fifa game for a long time - nothing ground breaking, but it's a lot of FUN - which is what playing games is all about, isn't it ??


Cheers,

...americans in general dont like/understand football...

Quit your nationalistic hate. I'm American, and I've forgotten more about football than you will ever know. FIFA 07 - for the PC - is a robust tweak of the current game engine, period. EA is a corporation, and FIFA - despite the commitments of the hard-core gamers - remains a cash-cow just how it is right now. So the only place that hardcore developers got the space and place to try out a substantively new game engine is in next-gen.

For PC gamers, this is disappointing, but you are right in that it doesn't necessarily mean that FIFA 07, because it is 94% of what FIFA 06 was, is a bad game. Some reviewers grade games on their own merits; some, the ones I prefer, look at games that represent a SERIES and ask the pertinent question: What, exactly, about this game would be compelling enough a difference between the 06 adn 07 versions to warrant a purchase? Most reviewers aren't just writing to the hard-core that inhabit this board; they are writing to a panopoly of consumers, most of which are NOT hard-core.

For them, it probably isn't enough of a difference to DEMAND a purchase. For those folks, just playing as, for example, Manchester United is enough, regardless of the "updated" rosters that, for hard-core players, would be hopelessly outdated, and every year always is so.

Same applies to ball physics; understnad that hard-core contingents of game-buying populations usually comprise no more than 25%. and you're gonna get the game anyway too. But if the game were totally tailored to you, you might, from EA's corporate mindset, alienate the other 75% who can no longer pick and play.

It's about money. That's it; that's all. Period.

This is also true for most reviewers. They cater to their audience, to their brand profile, however fragmented, across the board. That tension is supposed to lead us to revamped games. It doesn't, because reviewers aren't indpendent, and corporate deveopers operate under the notion of planned obsolescence.

It is noone's best interest to make the best possible product they can make; indeed, if you actually knew any folks in corporate branding/marketing, you'd know that the prevailign sentiment is to get you/me/us committed NOT to a product, but to the process of purchasing that product, a distinction with a difference. What corporations TODAY want is for all of us to be caught up in the buying, and then, post-purchase, to be immediately dissatisfed; NOT with the product; the product, again, is irrelevant, but with the fact that we are no longer engaged in the purchasing/anticipation process, and to get, once again, into that mode (the immediate launching of "Wishlists for FIFA 08" threads in November, among the hard-core, is reflective of the subversive and transformative process).

Now, having played soccer (yes, and English word, shortened by Conrinthian amatuer college brits from "association football" to "assoc" to soccer, so don't blame Americans for such language in its origin or in its continued propagation - where is WORLD SOCCER edited?) since the age of 8 (i'm now 36), and having worked at the highest levels of CONCACAF, for FIFA as a delegate and as a technology liaison, and having attended matches at the vast majority of stadia - across divisions, not just Ligue1/Premiership - in Britian and France, I feel comfortable submitting I know JUST a little bit about the sport.

For me, FIFA continues to evolve, yes, but never at the pace most of us would like; while PES, after evolving at a suitable pace, has actually slowed to the EA model. The base from which these game engines started - EA is essentially still employing the game engine for 07 that was launched in FIFA 99, and PES6 is the same game engine as PES3, made worse, actually, imv, and I'm excluding, for ow, the next-gen discussion b/c I have not played those - reflects that evolution, but, just as importantly, the RATE of evolution.

Reviews that don't reflect this, challenge it, and push companies to resist their corproatised aversion to risk fail all of us generally, and the hard corre community specifically.

Easy buddy, he said Americans in general, which is true.

Americans in general are also fat, but I'm willing to bet you aren't fat. :jambo:

I see they gave sound a good review score ... I play as celtic and apart from crown noise , now and again I'll hear a drum beat a couple times then a flat chant of "Celtic" followed by and other few beats on the drum and "celtic" again .. and on and on like this unlike it dies out ... any game Ive played as them that's all Ive heard ...

Is it because I dont have a top of the range sound card and can't hear the rest or it that it for the crowd singing and chanting ..

Easy buddy, he said Americans in general, which is true.

Americans in general understand soccer just fine. Whether they like it or not is less a function of soccer as spectacle/activity, and more a fucntion of liking/being exposed to American sport forms more/more often. Talking to Americans about sport in general (and teaching sport and society and sport admin at uni here in the States), one finds - anecdotally - that folks I talk to can actually tell me more about the rules of the game in world football than they can American football; that is, they know where the pnelaty spot is, but, as much as they are exposed to gridiron, don't REALLY know what a nickel defense is. Now, that set of anecdotes is probably as relevant as our firned's statement that AMericans generally don't like/understnad football. I dislike assumptions lacking data, and I can offer you just as many anecdotes where Americans - remember, America is made up of all kinds of folks - appreciate soccer as you can where the opposite is the case. Our federation goes back to 1913, we were in the first semifinal ofthe first World Cup (albeit with a squad comprised, nearly entirely, of Scottish immigrant players who nonetheless considered themselves American), and more people play soccer as a percentage of youth/young adult population in the USA than anywhere lese on earth, with China coming on fast. To try to articulate anything "general" about AMericans without data is buying into the very sentiment sport MEDIA, for most part (and in this case I'm talking about editors brought up on baseball who, hating that their boss has sent them to world cup, depricate it in favor of their own sport preferences, and the like), like to propagate. AMericans are coming to understand how media - particualrly corporate, profit-driven media - shapes content away from truth and towards forms that institute themselves and keep people afraid and stupid; polease don't buy into that when it comes to AMericans and soccer...its the same dynamic, toward vested ends.

Americans in general are also fat, but I'm willing to bet you aren't fat. :jambo:


This is true; in fact, The American Obesity Association submits:

The number of overweight and obese Americans has continued to increase since 1960, a trend that is not slowing down. Today, 64.5 percent of adult Americans (about 127 million) are categorized as being overweight or obese. Each year, obesity causes at least 300,000 excess deaths in the U.S., and healthcare costs of American adults with obesity amount to approximately $100 billion...

When you can produce a similar study/metric for American lack of understnading of the game of football, I'll concede that point as well. I don't think you'll find that one from any credible source, though.

LOL

IGN is american.... americans in general dont like/understand football. IGN last year gave FIFA06 8 something and said that it was as good as PES.... come on.

Actually smartguy, that review says UK, so I am assuming it originated there.
Nice generalization though, I wager I know more about the beautiful game than many people outside the US, so there.

Americans in general understand soccer just fine. Whether they like it or not is less a function of soccer as spectacle/activity, and more a fucntion of liking/being exposed to American sport forms more/more often. Talking to Americans about sport in general (and teaching sport and society and sport admin at uni here in the States), one finds - anecdotally - that folks I talk to can actually tell me more about the rules of the game in world football than they can American football; that is, they know where the pnelaty spot is, but, as much as they are exposed to gridiron, don't REALLY know what a nickel defense is. Now, that set of anecdotes is probably as relevant as our firned's statement that AMericans generally don't like/understnad football. I dislike assumptions lacking data, and I can offer you just as many anecdotes where Americans - remember, America is made up of all kinds of folks - appreciate soccer as you can where the opposite is the case. Our federation goes back to 1913, we were in the first semifinal ofthe first World Cup (albeit with a squad comprised, nearly entirely, of Scottish immigrant players who nonetheless considered themselves American), and more people play soccer as a percentage of youth/young adult population in the USA than anywhere lese on earth, with China coming on fast. To try to articulate anything "general" about AMericans without data is buying into the very sentiment sport MEDIA, for most part (and in this case I'm talking about editors brought up on baseball who, hating that their boss has sent them to world cup, depricate it in favor of their own sport preferences, and the like), like to propagate. AMericans are coming to understand how media - particualrly corporate, profit-driven media - shapes content away from truth and towards forms that institute themselves and keep people afraid and stupid; polease don't buy into that when it comes to AMericans and soccer...its the same dynamic, toward vested ends.




This is true; in fact, The American Obesity Association submits:



When you can produce a similar study/metric for American lack of understnading of the game of football, I'll concede that point as well. I don't think you'll find that one from any credible source, though.

Sorry, but i stick to what i said, americans iIN GENERAL dont like/understand football.
I can give you many examples...
I've seen some american guys making fun of football... saying its for pussys, bla bla.
Theres a Simpsons episode in which the WC final is Portugal-Mexico and they make fun of the sport.
I've heard a american comentator saying how he would change some of the football rules to make the game more interesting, lol... this is my favourite.
Well, this are just examples, and i respect the americans who understand and love football, but as i said, IN GENERAL the americans don't get it.... find it to boring, etc. They like the NBA, NHL, NFL, but football is boring, they make fun of it

Actually smartguy, that review says UK, so I am assuming it originated there.
Nice generalization though, I wager I know more about the beautiful game than many people outside the US, so there.

It wasn´t smartguy, it was me.
Damn, what part of "IN GENERAL" don't you guys understand?
I know many americans love and uderstand football, but the EUA is not a football nation, period.
Its not the most important sport like in 100 other countries, is like the 10th sport...its not big in the media...

I live in a country that MOST americans cant even point in the map and i'm not offended by it, so why take it so hard just for saying that the EUA are not a football nation? You even changed its name fot God's sake

that review said the commentary was a negative.

That statement alone cuases them to lose ALL credibility. PES is superior in many aspects, but FIFA's commentary trounces PES.

FIFA deserves a 7.5, they have improved alot, and I like the right analog controlling first touch and dribble moves, and tweaking the graphics makes the animation and detail great as well as on the fly tactics like Backline and Offside trap that actually work ingame.

However they neeed to switch the PC to the new Xbox 360 engine, cmon EA, quit being bitches, our PCs can handle it! Hell put 2 engines in the game, like COD 2, maybe direct x 8 and direct x 10 engines and we can select which one we want. Quit giving us the ps2/xbox engine, its so last Gen.

...I live in a country that MOST americans cant even point in the map and i'm not offended by it, so why take it so hard just for saying that the EUA are not a football nation? You even changed its name fot God's sake

Changed it to what?


Wait for it...

Sorry, but i stick to what i said, americans iIN GENERAL dont like/understand football.
I can give you many examples...
I've seen some american guys making fun of football... saying its for pussys, bla bla.
Theres a Simpsons episode in which the WC final is Portugal-Mexico and they make fun of the sport.
I've heard a american comentator saying how he would change some of the football rules to make the game more interesting, lol... this is my favourite.
Well, this are just examples, and i respect the americans who understand and love football, but as i said, IN GENERAL the americans don't get it.... find it to boring, etc. They like the NBA, NHL, NFL, but football is boring, they make fun of it

So, what you are saying is that the few Americans (and American cartoons, for god's sake) you've watched vis-a-via some mass media don't like or understnad football? That's fine, for what it's worth. Which is, to be frank, not too much.

Not too much at all.

I think WAKANDAN-PSG has made several good points in this thread. I think his observations regarding the evolution (or lack of) of the Fifa franchise is a good explanation of why each Fifa game only is a small step in the right direction.
EA Sports i a large corporation, and they know what they are doing, and more importantly, they know what they should not be doing if they want to keep their market shares.

They do not want to make the perfect soccer game, even if they could, unless it was absolutely necessary, because that would make it harder to sell the following Fifa-game next year. They would simply run out of gimmicks and things to tweak/improve if the pace of the evolution was stepped up. Just look at Tiger Woods PGA tour, for example. They (relatively) perfected the simulation of golf in the 2003 version with the true swing technology, and since golf is a, in technical terms, simple sport to simulate compared to soccer, they have had a hard time convincing the costumers and reviewers that the 04, 05, 06, and 07 versions of the franchise is worthwhile because it is basically the EXACT same game.

As it is now, the FIFA and PES franchises have split up the market between each other, and neither are unhappy about this situation. The games have different qualities and therefore appeal to two entirely different types of customers, and this has created an unfortuneate creative hibernation for the developers. There is simply no competition anymore, and this can explain why the soccer-genre was so exciting back the mid- and late 90ies, where the soccergame-market was fiercely contested among a dozen brands(sensible soccer, FIFA, ISS, Kick off, Actua soccer to name a few). Back then, each new version represented a vastly improved or even revolutionized product, because if they only tweaked the game engine and updated the rooster like EA and Konami do today, they would be unable to keep up with the competition.

Until we see some serious competition from other big developers, we are stuck with the sub-par updates that the fifa series has been over the last many years. Therefore I think PcPlayer, and other magazines or game sites who take the genre and series as a whole into account, was right to give the game such a low score.

Given the core development team of FIFA is European, I hardly think that whether a certain degree of Americans do or don't yet appreciate soccer is irrelevant.

There are 26.8 million kids registered in soccer leagues across the country and 13.4 million adults. Overall, participation in the sport has grown by over 300% in the last ten years. Regardless of the recreation level of some of the leagues, the fact is that the sport continues to grow here. It will still take another 20-30 years before there's anything resembling the type of passion for the game that some countries have at the moment but to generalize that Americans don't like soccer is like saying English women are ugly!

Changed it to what?


Wait for it...


soccer

So, what you are saying is that the few Americans (and American cartoons, for god's sake) you've watched vis-a-via some mass media don't like or understnad football? That's fine, for what it's worth. Which is, to be frank, not too much.

Not too much at all.


Well, i see american movies everyday, american tv shows everyday, american news everyday, (i like the US, guess i'll go to hell) and i've seen dozens of all that with american football, basketball, baseball, ice hockey... never saw anything about "soccer"

Want a list of movies about baseball, american football, basketball? Cause there are hundreads of them in america. Haven't seen 1 about "soccer".
C'mon man, its getting ridiculous... just because you and many more americans like football, tahts fine for what it's worth, which is, to be frank, not too much... cause the US "IN GENERAL" don't give a damn about "soccer"

There are so many elements of this thread that one could have fun with, but I'm short of time so I'll just add a couple of points.

Firstly, I believe that Association Football (I can't bring myself to call it soccer, as that term is little used on this side of the Atlantic, but in my household 'football' refers to Rugby Union) is the second largest participation sport in the US. So if Americans, in general or otherwise, don't like/understand it there must be some mass masochistic thing going on there.

Secondly, EA's business model is predicated on selling us the same games year in year out. As someone pointed out, they made the mistake of bringing in outside help for the Tiger Woods golf franchise (Headgate, who feature some old Access Software staff) and nearly ruined the plan because the changes made were too good. The fact that the game gets re-released every year means that not only don't they have the time to do a really good job of each iteration (no concept of 'done when it's done' here) but they don't have the inclination either. Sadly, this business model has taken over and driven out those that preferred to do it 'right' (eg. the aforementioned Access Software with their Links golf franchise).

Finally, to anyone that thinks that FIFA is a bad game, trying playing EA's take on rugby or cricket (or indeed, anyone's take on those two sports). Association Football is not the easiest of sports to simulate well, but FIFA does a good enough job that it has sucked this non-fan into playing pretty much every iteration since World Cup '98.

to generalize that Americans don't like soccer is like saying English women are ugly!
Not only that, but in general English women don't like/understand Association Football.

There are so many elements of this thread that one could have fun with, but I'm short of time so I'll just add a couple of points.

Firstly, I believe that Association Football (I can't bring myself to call it soccer, as that term is little used on this side of the Atlantic, but in my household 'football' refers to Rugby Union) is the second largest participation sport in the US. So if Americans, in general or otherwise, don't like/understand it there must be some mass masochistic thing going on there..

yeah, by 8 year old kids


Finally, to anyone that thinks that FIFA is a bad game, trying playing EA's take on rugby or cricket (or indeed, anyone's take on those two sports). Association Football is not the easiest of sports to simulate well, but FIFA does a good enough job that it has sucked this non-fan into playing pretty much every iteration since World Cup '98.


Then i feel sorry for you, i think that if you played PES you would be a much happier guy... but you said it all, you are not a fan of the sport, cause if you were you wouldnt be playing fifa since WC98, you would be playing other footy game.


Not only that, but in general English women don't like/understand Association Football.

that was funny... ah ah ah

Then i feel sorry for you, i think that if you played PES you would be a much happier guy...
Please don't because I am quite happy with my purchases and feel that I got value for money from all of them (with the possible exception of WC 2002, which was horrible enough to put us off buying either Euro 2004 or WC 2006) despite the fact that most have had their flaws (and a fair share of out and out bugs). My son and I have considered both PES 4 and PES 5, but only having time (and money) for one Association Football game chose to go with the familiar rather than risk lashing out thirty quid for a dud.

Please don't because I am quite happy with my purchases and feel that I got value for money from all of them (with the possible exception of WC 2002, which was horrible enough to put us off buying either Euro 2004 or WC 2006) despite the fact that most have had their flaws (and a fair share of out and out bugs). My son and I have considered both PES 4 and PES 5, but only having time (and money) for one Association Football game chose to go with the familiar rather than risk lashing out thirty quid for a dud.

eheheh
i'm starting to feel like you're joking

the game play is quite good ( ps2 ) not quite pes but a vast improvement the only thing they need to do is put in a decent edit mode some of the players look naff look at drogba now forgive me but isnt he black not half caste i think they should have made a edit mode like pro evo has and you can make non faced players to look good

soccer


Soccer is a British term, guy. Stop talking now, maybe take the time to actually know, then type.

yeah, by 8 year old kids...

I usually say this TO Americans, but, um, what you see on television doesn't constitute all, or even most, reality. The actual reality is that there are soccer leagues of all ages, and all sexes, all throughout the USA.

Again, actually know, then type. Watching television doesn't constitute knowing anything. You're like the poster-boy for Jerry Mander's famous work of the 1970s. I'd almost like to study you.

Soccer is a British term, guy. Stop talking now, maybe take the time to actually know, then type.

So what?
Neither the english or anybody else call it "soccer", what was your point in saying that it is a british term?

I usually say this TO Americans, but, um, what you see on television doesn't constitute all, or even most, reality. The actual reality is that there are soccer leagues of all ages, and all sexes, all throughout the USA.

Still... soccer is not that big in the US.... SO your "actual reality" means ****...
Bring all the soccer leagues and bla bla you know of, that doesnt change the fact that soccer is the 10th american sport (maybe 7th, 8th, whatever).

Again, actually know, then type. Watching television doesn't constitute knowing anything. You're like the poster-boy for Jerry Mander's famous work of the 1970s. I'd almost like to study you.

damn, you're one boring dude with all that pseudo bull

best effort...

This...this IS empty!

hum... guess you went out of arguments and had to came with that, uh? shame...

Anyway, where did i said that?
But what, is that a spelling mistake? Sorry, my native language is not english... but i bet that i can talk and write better in your language than you in mine or any language besides yours...

So next time you run out of arguments and decide to make a joke with another guys nick because a foreign wrote something wrong in your language, remember that, ok, wakandan brennan? :)

E vê lá se aqui encontras algum erro gramatical:
Põe-te no caralho, palhaço!

check to see if there are any spelling mistakes too, lol