hi people , quick poll , who do u think is better among the two, frank lampard for chelsea and steven gerrard for liverpool ; (C) we know both of them are pivotal for their clubs , and also both of them cant play in the same position for england , so which among the two is your favourite , and why.

Gerrard, together with Vieira the best midfielder in the world.

Used to be Lampard, but his days are fast running out and his performances have nosedived now Ballack has arrived, so I would say that it is now Steven Gerrard. Lampard is no longer a cert for the Chelsea starting eleven and Gerrard always will be at Liverpool, so that's the difference in my mind. I do think Lampard has been the better performer for England, though.

Gerrard. He was the single reason why Liverpool got as far as the did in the 04/05 Champions League.

I feel Gerrard is the more technically gifted player and versatile in that you can play him anywhere across the middle, therefore, Gerrard quite easily.

Gerrard and Hargreaves/Parker would be the best midfield duo for England.


together with Vieira
Maybe three years ago but not anymore. He was nothing but average at Juve last season.

Vieira :funny:

he was owned by Joao Moutinho 2 weeks ago, a guy who is over 30cm shorter.

You guys forget who guided France to the final in the WC? It was not Zizou as everyone claimes, it was thanks to Vieira. I rank him very high.

it was Henry actually, scored against Brazil and earned a dodgy penalty against Portugal.

Haven't we had this Gerrard vs Lampard thread like 1986025490 times before ? :|

it was Henry actually, scored against Brazil and earned a dodgy penalty against Portugal.
My god you really are Portuguese aren't you? Saying a diver guided them to the final. :nape:

And at the moment the only thing Viera seems to do is collect cards. Between Gerrard and Lampard, Gerrard hands down.

Haven't we had this Gerrard vs Lampard thread like 1986025490 times before ? :|

I think it's more than that.

My god you really are Portuguese aren't you? Saying a diver guided them to the final. :nape:


can you read? I said he earned it, he could have continued with the play but he preferred to fall. But there was contact so it was a penalty.

Can you read your own post? You said a dodgy penalty, so I presumed you thought it was a dive.

Anyway Henry played crap all tournament, Vieira guided them to the difficult moment and he was the one who scored the very important first goal vs South Korea. The game which they had to win in order to progress to the second round. But he didn't only do that he bossed the midfield for France the entire tournament. After Vieira got injured in the final, France started playing crap.

I thought it was a dodgy penalty. He just made a big deal out of the challenge...

like rafa said Lampard is around the world-class player
but Gerrard not and he's play best in every position
Gerrard is absolute fantastic player and Rafa get the better squad now.
So this season Garrard will show what's his worth .........He totally better that Lampard :)
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Gerrard.(Y) Amazing powerful shots...you can't take off Gerrard. Lampard it's also a class player, but he's not so strong like gerrard...that's the difference.

Lampard has been a shadow of the player he once was, over a year now.

at the moment it has to be Gerrard

Lampard is a pretty one-dimensional player which limits his value in a system not built for him.

Oh and, just don't get anyone to deflect his shots and they won't go in (6)

Gerrard all freaking day. NO CONTEST!!!!!

again :|

a couple months back, this debate was more even. now, past the world cup, its seems the debate has been swayed.

oh, and i've always thought gerrard was better.

Can i add like Ryan Giggs to this discussion or something?

You support Man Utd, you should be adding Rooney to the discussion ffs. (H)

You support Man Utd, you should be adding Rooney to the discussion ffs. (H)
nah Rooney still has lots to prove and he is not a midfielder, while Giggs already showed what he is really capable of all across the midfield.

gerrard, hands down.

anyways we all now know that gerrard has the upper hand of the two , even considering the fact that liverpool is doing an "arsenal" this season losing matches, but try comparing lampard and ballack , both of them , some time ago were anchor players at their clubs { Chelsea and Bayern } , but now with the arrival of ballack , who do u think is gonna be performing better for chelsea this season and we know jose mourinho has already got his thinking hat ON about this . :rolleyes:

gerrard is versatile, he can be an anchor, a playmaker or a winger when given a role. it would be interesting to read what the chelsea fans think about ballack and lampard playing together.

both overrated, Paul Scholes ftw (H)

Gerrard.

dumb thread :nape:

Gerrard is better IMO, but sometimes I wonder if Chelsea having so many star players makes it hard for Lampard to stand out. Also, I don't think Lampard is asked to do as much as Gerrard is because of all their signings.

Who gives a flying fu<k anyway. A repetitive boring subject thats been discussed too many times already. Close this crappy thread FFS.

hear hear :funny:

I expected a reply from that says Davids, Sneijder, van der Vaart and Landzaat > both.

nah Rooney still has lots to prove and he is not a midfielder, while Giggs already showed what he is really capable of all across the midfield.

Meant it as a joke mate, as usually Man Utd always bring Rooney to a discussion. :)

I expected a reply from that says Davids, Sneijder, van der Vaart and Landzaat > both.

Huntelaar > world.

Gerrard anyday, lampard just like beckham overatet by the english press, gerrard is the best midfielder in the world in my opinion, great leader works hard helps out in defense and great going forward. u put him anywhere in the field doesnt complain just gets on with and does the job 110%.

GERRARD ..... he is the second best football player ... the first is LUIS FIGO !! :D

Huntelaar > world.
Can you stop repeating that all the time? It's really getting annoying. :nape:

(H)

EDIT: Oh and for the record it's: Klaas & Japie > :sb9: > world > divers > cry baby's.

Meant it as a joke mate, as usually Man Utd always bring Rooney to a discussion. :)
You are right, 95% of the time, i probably would have

You didnt this time just to prove me wrong. (6)

Gerrard

ok, trying to drift a little here , how wud u like to see gerrard lampard and ballack in the same team!!

Not in the same first XI. That'd be as narrow as a virgin's snatch.

ok, trying to drift a little here , how wud u like to see gerrard lampard and ballack in the same team!!

I "wud" not. I don't even like seeing Gerrard together with Lampard, why would I want to throw in another player into a midfield that is already too small for both of them.

yes, maybe u r right , everyone talks about these great creative players , but not about someone like makelele , i think he is a very instrumental player playing in a very important position for chelsea , even real madrid have not been able to replace him in their squad so far.its like having a central defender in the midfield .

yes, maybe u r right , everyone talks about these great creative players , but not about someone like makelele , i think he is a very instrumental player playing in a very important position for chelsea , even real madrid have not been able to replace him in their squad so far.its like having a central defender in the midfield .

Been saying this almost since I started comming to SG and I completely agree. Makelele is starting to get a little old, but he was one of the 10 most valuable players in the world and Real Madrid disrespected him and then were almost glad when he asked for a transfer. It's not a coincidence they haven't won the Champions League since.

Florentino Perez: We will not miss Makélélé. His technique is average, he lacks the speed and skill to take the ball past opponents, and ninety percent of his distribution either goes backwards or sideways.

Been saying this almost since I started comming to SG and I completely agree. Makelele is starting to get a little old, but he was one of the 10 most valuable players in the world and Real Madrid disrespected him and then were almost glad when he asked for a transfer. It's not a coincidence they haven't won the Champions League since.

Florentino Perez: We will not miss Makélélé. His technique is average, he lacks the speed and skill to take the ball past opponents, and ninety percent of his distribution either goes backwards or sideways.
ergh thats hes job perez, i havent heard that one before, man am i glad he left (perez).

perez must be wondering what he was thinking while saying that about makelele, anyways there are many more unsung heroes in the football world that we dot know about, so any names, be it players, managers , staff anyone else who u know of or read somewhere, do write about them. :jambo: another player is owen hargreaves , i guess even half of english fans didnt know what he was upto in bayern munchen before the world cup , and just before the new season kicked off , there were talks of him joining ManU and stuff like that , another good player is hernan crespo, havent settled anywhere in europe except for italy, eventhough he had a good spell with chelsea.he is not that quick as we see him , but he is a very intelligent forward and i regard very highly of him.

Crespo is a world class striker, I think everyone reckons so.

Indeed.

I think Steven Gerrard. Both are fantastic players with fantastic histories, but I would say Gerrard performs better in key games and is more of a match winner, plus he scores phenominal goals and makes great assists, Lampard does this too, but to a lesser extent.

I just like looking at these threads to see what nob ed picks Lampard.

As for Gerrard/Lampard - NONE of those overrated players

Lennon-Parker-Hagreaves-Milner :jap:

Milner's nothing special. I doubt he'll ever step up to the full squad.

Been saying this almost since I started comming to SG and I completely agree. Makelele is starting to get a little old, but he was one of the 10 most valuable players in the world and Real Madrid disrespected him and then were almost glad when he asked for a transfer. It's not a coincidence they haven't won the Champions League since.

Florentino Perez: We will not miss Makélélé. His technique is average, he lacks the speed and skill to take the ball past opponents, and ninety percent of his distribution either goes backwards or sideways.

Eh hem, we have not won a CL for lots of reasons, not just Makelele. Honestly ever since he was sold he has been one of the most overrated players ever. Like he was the greatest thing to come to Madrid. We started to get worse but that was for different reasons.

Frank Lampard is fast becoming Stevie McClaren's favourite boy.He was awful against Macedonia alongside the impressive Carrick.He drops deep too much to pick up the ball from defence when it is Carricks job to do that.Fat Frank should have stayed up and play in the hole where he is best at...Still rubbish for England since the world cup.

alongside the impressive Carrick

The impressive Carrick?

Carrick was the worst player on the pitch by a mile, looked well out of his depth.

The impressive Carrick?

Carrick was the worst player on the pitch by a mile, looked well out of his depth.
got to disagree with you there TA. I thought Carrick did his job yesterday but nothing more however sadly. We needed someone to take the game by the scruff of the neck, which is what Rooney was trying too hard to do, and Gerrard also tried to do.

Lampard's once again inept show was the true disgrace leaving. We needed someone like Carrick to step up and compensate, which wouldnt be his job normaly, but someone like Hargreaves, or Maybe even Parker would have done. Lamps should never have been allowed back on the pitch for the 2nd half.

Tiago(H)

lampard is better

carrick is developing into the permanent role of dm right now, so give him a break, but still his passing was sensational.

Carrick's passing is obviously the strongest part of his game. Thing is Gerrard and Lampard are even better passes of the ball. So what exactly does Carrick bring to the team?

He will never be a good DM because he doesn't get stuck in. We missed Hargreaves something badly on Saturday. Carrick might be the better footballer per se but Hargreaves is the better defensive mid-fielder by a country mile and fits into the England team better than Carrick.

Parker is better than Carrick.

Owen Hargreaves :jambo:

ey anyways they both will playing together for man utd next season.

Cant be too sure about that one Mr Football.If you are right,might as well throw Fernando Torres and Nani into that equation.

ey anyways they both will playing together for man utd next season.
nah

Vieira owns both

Vieira is a diving little ****

Name a decent player that hasnt dived, or fallen over theatricly. There arent many

Not many players with the strength and size of Vieira go down as easy as he does. He is a pussy of the highest order. He tries to intimidate people on other teams, then backs down when someone stands up to him. He is scum.

Great midfielder mind, one of the best.

BTW, Roy Keane never dived. Scott Parker. Claude Makelele. Papa Bouba Diop. All tough tacklers in a similar position who don't dive. i really could go on for days. Someone that big and that powerful should not go down like a sack of spuds.

now roy keane was a true footballer.

Heres Roy Keane taking a dive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcLmbUQPYzs


The reason none of them have taken a dive is because either there is a chance that they are good characters, or just the simple fact that they play as defensive midfielders. What good does taking a dive infront of your own penalty box do

...i looked through that video about 5 times trying to make up some excuse, and I didn't find any :(

foot in mouth

owned

hahaha

Nothin else can be said on that. Even the toughest of players do it, its not right but oh well. Vieira is the better player despite any of this

By the way are you allowed to embed youtube clips in here??

Vieira is the better player despite any of this

:|

but the real question is : why do players dive - is it because they want to show the confronting player that u may be more talented , but he is much smarter to win free kicks or penalties, or is it just something that he can do amazingly consistently throughout the game? (6)

but the real question is : why do players dive - is it because they want to show the confronting player that u may be more talented , but he is much smarter to win free kicks or penalties, or is it just something that he can do amazingly consistently throughout the game? (6)

the term "win at all costs" comes to mind, its as simple as that

I lvoe the way d3adly ignores the Keane diving post.

I lvoe the way d3adly ignores the Keane diving post.

no reply= ownage (H)

One blatant dive in what 400+ career appearances?

Diving to a certain extent is part of the game and almost every player will use it to their advantage at some point in their career, there's no doubting that. It's still not acceptable even that once, but everyone does it.

It's the PERSISTENT diving and playacting that really bugs me and most people.

just like sean denny, i couldn't find an excuse either, so yeah owned. but you got to agree with what daz said.

One blatant dive in what 400+ career appearances?

Diving to a certain extent is part of the game and almost every player will use it to their advantage at some point in their career, there's no doubting that. It's still not acceptable even that once, but everyone does it.

It's the PERSISTENT diving and playacting that really bugs me and most people.
exactly. How you can even compare a player who always stood up and was counted for, with players who constantly tumble AND clutch their legs for 5 minutes is ridiculous.

apart from players , the ones who curse the "divers " the most are the medical staff, especially the staff persons responsible for bringing the stretcher on the pitch ........its like this - the player goes down amazingly in a theatrical fashion with all the expressions of pain on his face, ref gets sympathetic and calls on medic , and then there are these stretcher guys who run to the player only to find that he doesnt need one!! , he walks gingerly out on the sidelines , and couple of seconds later ... he is running as if nothing happened. it has happened so many times , but yet people hate it but cant do anything abt it....


any ways, anyone of u seen lampard or gerrard taking fake dive?

apart from players , the ones who curse the "divers " the most are the medical staff, especially the staff persons responsible for bringing the stretcher on the pitch
Yes I've often thought that I'd love to be a "stretcher guy".
After running on two or three times for nothing I'd tell the guy: "Right, this is last time we come out for you, you soft twat. Next time even if your leg drops off, you can forget it, you're hopping to the hospital."

neither :fool:

Your an idiot then...

and now the petr cech issuse has come up , how many of u think the injury to cech was an accident or an intentional one, i think it was intentional , coz the player could have just stopped his run , reading knows they r playing against chelsea and when cech came to the ball , the reading player thrusted his knee into his face, the replays show that clearly, however many think that both of them have every right to go for the ball and it was an accident , na na , i think it could have been avoided , i mean the match had just started where is the need for a team like reading to play that rough with someone like chelsea?

Your an idiot then...
huh ... how ironic.

apart from players , the ones who curse the "divers " the most are the medical staff, especially the staff persons responsible for bringing the stretcher on the pitch ........its like this - the player goes down amazingly in a theatrical fashion with all the expressions of pain on his face, ref gets sympathetic and calls on medic , and then there are these stretcher guys who run to the player only to find that he doesnt need one!! , he walks gingerly out on the sidelines , and couple of seconds later ... he is running as if nothing happened. it has happened so many times , but yet people hate it but cant do anything abt it....


any ways, anyone of u seen lampard or gerrard taking fake dive?
Ahem...Champions League final 2005..