Dudes,

I wanna know what you think of the game. I have to say I have very mixed feelings. I mean one year since the 5th and we have exactly the same graphics, same stadium (bernabeu being the exception), one league less(german).

I mean few tweaks here and there, slower pace and no more autoside step (i got used to it anyway). But i am not really sure this is worse 40 euros.

Your comments and opinions are welcome.

You are right about the graphics. I guess they're tweaks to the gameplay and A.I. took so many PS2 memorypower that there wasn't any left for the graphics. I even think they are a bit less than in PES5. I guess we'll have to wait for the port of the PS3 version (PES7?) to see a real improvement in this department. I hope that will also be true for the amount of leagues and clubs and options.

Gameplay-wise I think PES6 is -again- a big improvement over it's predecessor. I find that the players react much mure subtle to my controller, and the A.I. of my teammates is also very good. The passing system is bettered also (notice the through pass) and super cancel is implemented better. I like the game, but I am still in the early phase of getting to know it.

Is the game out also for PC???

Yes it is. Here in Holland anyway. I play it on PC. My reference to the PS2 was because of the fact that the PC version is a port of the PS2 one and therefore inhibits the same limitations as that one.

the gameplay isnt perfect as this will always be difficult to achieve.i didn't have much fun playing pes5 now this fun has come back with a game that is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than pes5!!viva pes6!!!!! :rockman: :rockman: :rockman: :rockman: :rockman: :rockman:

the gameplay isnt perfect as this will always be difficult to achieve.i didn't have much fun playing pes5 now this fun has come back with a game that is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than pes5!!viva pes6!!!!! :rockman: :rockman: :rockman: :rockman: :rockman: :rockman:


Just what I wanted to hear

Hopefully will get my copy friday or monday, depends on amazon

For those who have it, does it run smoothly on the PC or does it feel a little more system intensive than PES5?

It does run fairly smooth, but maybe not as smooth as PES5 did. I experienced a slight hickup here and there (on a 10 months old Dell).

Are you're going to make an option file, Wolf?

It does run fairly smooth, but maybe not as smooth as PES5 did. I experienced a slight hickup here and there (on a 10 months old Dell).

Are you're going to make an option file, Wolf?

Possibly, it really depends on how good the editing section is. I haven't got the game yet but I might try to put something together with transfer updates this week and update the premiership teams and badges.

I only visited the editor once, but it seemed exactly the same as in pes5 to me. Is that good news for you?

For those who have it, does it run smoothly on the PC or does it feel a little more system intensive than PES5?

IMO same as PES5. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw what they did about the audience 'bug' of last year: this year the stands are not empty but instead you have a super-ugly static texture lying over the ranks. only in replay do you see actual 'spectators'. i checked it on full settings, and it's the same. just hope LOD Viewer will be able to fix this. Come on Konami!...

Gamplaywise it feels A LOT like what PES5 should have been. Not that much difference. What I like is that wingers make good runs into space now. While generally refs are more lenient (thank god), slide tackles seem to be booked quite easily. Had three of them so far, all three yellow cards. Other than that I haven't seen much that is vastly new. Played three matches on "Professional", got once battered by Barca 0-3. Think I am out of practice. Need to play more, I guess. So far a little underwhelmed but it'll take time.

No linesmen BTW

IMO same as PES5.


What system specs u have mate?

Is that the keepers are getting better?

Any obvious difference between PES6 PC and Winning Eleven 10 PS2?

great shame in the games are the keepers.sometimes they will make terrific and realistic stops and other times you want to destroy the game after the keeper does his funny stuff and concedes stupid goals.the positioning of the keeper is really bad sometimes....but all in all the game is far better than PES5. :jap: :jap:

For those who have it, does it run smoothly on the PC or does it feel a little more system intensive than PES5?

I am running FRAPS and I have several slow down, particularly at the beginning of the game.

One more thing: i tried to register on line and it said the my code already existed??? I mean anyone with the same problem?

For the rest it seems that my forward do not attack the space as much as in PES5, i have to work my ass off to create an opening.
Keepers can make unbelievable crap.

And I can't wait to see some decent uniforms and pitches.

I have a question. I live in sweden and so far PES 6 will not be realased before 10/2. So, how is ML? Is there more divisions now or is it just two as usual?

Also.... what about offisides??? Any hairline (literally) decisions like in PES 5.. has it been sorted? Cus that really got me annoyed (6)

I dunno people, I don't seem to like it. The one thing that annoys me a lot is that both the ball and the players have lost weight, it does remind me a lot of PES4 slowed down (the crows looks exactly like in PES4).

Also I find the player model kinda of weird.

Maybe it just does not fit my way of playing but for some moments I thought I was playing FIFA. But maybe I just got used too much to PES5

What system specs u have mate?

P4 2.4 Ghz 1GB RAM Radeon X800

I am playing at 1280 x 1054 high quality. There are virtually no slowdowns

Couple of more matches. Turned down difficulty to 'experienced' which is 3 on the old scale, still haven't been able to score. bloody challenging. don't know whether it's because i haven't played for a while or because it's really hard.

i think this will appeal to the hardcore fans. passing and positioning has become much more intricate. you really need to time and point your passes well, otherwise they will not arrive at their target. in PES5 you pressed X and most of the times this would be fine. not so here (at least in my impression). the CPUs attacking seems much more varied too. in 5 they used to play field-spanning through passes for the most part, here they really build up their attack. CPU play is still a bit on the immaculate side for my taste. barely any mis-timed passing or anything that doesn't arrive where it should. of course, most deflections end up with the CPU. also the CPU players are damn fine dribblers. sometimes it seems the ball is glued to their feet. it's still very difficult to dispossess them. they also tend to pack their box like they did in previous versions and they constantly seem to have an advantage in midfield (but that might be due to my formation). heading as difficult as before. freekicks same crap. keepers i haven't seen doing any stupid things yet, but unfortunately i conceded already two goals of the deflection/ tap-in kind (which was more or less every goal i conceded in PES5). through passes much more effective and powerful in my impression.

one thing that seems to FINALLY have gone is the magic CPU speed advantage. i think that's much due to the wingers making more intelligent runs and use of space. speed-wise i cannot confirm that it is considerably slower than PES5. i'd say the same, but that's subjective. graphics are the same. cannot see any improvement. that thing with the ugly spectator-texture is really a joke, though.

interface is a bit a mix of new elements and old ****e. there are many new additions to make it easier for the casual gamer (such as me), like auto-substitutes and such. the intro movie is nice (some samba pop and some quite cool graphics).

i like it so far. it feels like it has all the good things from PES5 and took out the bad ones. but i really need to score now :)

Sound like PES5 was at first. You couldn't score. But I supose you get your way sooner or later.

But what about Master League? Is it the same or is there something new? What about the divisions?

yeah, how is master league? better? worse? the same? :)

ML is basically the same old crapola. same divisions (except german teams of course), same players (ivarov, jaric, dodo etc).

you can select how difficult the transfer conditions are upfront (i think that was in PES5, no?) and really neat is the fact that you can bring your build team online and play with it. other than that, same thing. it really could need some workover.

This question is for the people who have PES6 on their PC's with ATI cards. I just read on another forum that there might be problems playing the game like strange stuttering and not smooth on an ATI card. Is this the case? Anyone playing the game with ATI card having issues like this or is it smooth for you?

Like i said further above, runs quite fine on my radeon x800 at 1280 resolution. occassionally the screen seems to 'swim' a little but it's barely noticeable

Like i said further above, runs quite fine on my radeon x800 at 1280 resolution. occassionally the screen seems to 'swim' a little but it's barely noticeable

Thanks...

Has this game got Direct IP play like PES4, or is it still that sh*t lobby system?

Lobby of course...

One more thing: i tried to register on line and it said the my code already existed??? I mean anyone with the same problem?

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Thank you sooooo much for mentioning that, as I had the same & started to sweat!! I thought 1 ot guys from the shop I got it from had taken it already, but it's probably due to the fact that the servers are down 'till tomorrow (official release date). I guess we both have nothing to worry about!

Simak - thanks for your very informative review and opinion, that's very kind and helpful to those of us that don't have the game yet. I'm currently waiting for my father to get back in town (tomorrow) with the game. can't wait.

thanks again and take care.

My opinion:

I think PES5 runs smoother.. Let's put it this way.... It feels like it's becoming fifa gameplay. Slower, not in touch/feeling with ball speed. (don't know how else to put it). It's like the CPU decides how the passing is done.

Terrible control over team mates. :kader: .. i've had a few goals against me already where a few of my players couldn't deside who would kick the ball out of the box.

I will give it a chance because in the beginning i had no good words for PES5 and ended up loving it (and i spent 40€ on it).

yeah, how is master league? better? worse? the same? :)

U can customise the master league this time. At the beginning u are asked whether u want or not player tp develop, how much easy the transfer is gonna be, fatigue leve, and whether u want to play with ur master league team on line (not sure how it works yet).

Also the formation setting have changed and there are some new options but some disappeared. A bit confusing I must say.

I am curious about on line tournament, it can be the key feature of the year. I am tired of playing single games.

Scripted physics, endless cpu cheats, completely biased refs, gameplay against cpu quickly becomes irritating, very reminiscent of PES5. In fact, there are no new features since PES5. It is PES5 but in an ever so slightly different colour.

Same old gash.

Sad end to the series on PS2.

RIP.

how big is pes6 on pc

Scripted physics, endless cpu cheats, completely biased refs, gameplay against cpu quickly becomes irritating, very reminiscent of PES5. In fact, there are no new features since PES5. It is PES5 but in an ever so slightly different colour.

Same old gash.

Sad end to the series on PS2.

RIP.

Hope you kept the receipt then. I'm sure you could give it to someone who wanted it.

One thing I do like is the shooting is a lot harder, in terms of you have to really place the shot and understand the dynamics of where you want it to go. I think in the past, the hit and hope shooting of before has been eradicated somewhat.

It also requires a lot more intuition in terms of building up the attack etc. I think this is good, because it was too easier for bad players to pick good teams and play **** and win, by running straight through the defence.

It feels kinda different too as with all versions of the game - sort of like that new car fresh smell.

Mmmmm. Nice.

U can customise the master league this time. At the beginning u are asked whether u want or not player tp develop, how much easy the transfer is gonna be, fatigue leve, and whether u want to play with ur master league team on line (not sure how it works yet).

Also the formation setting have changed and there are some new options but some disappeared. A bit confusing I must say.

I am curious about on line tournament, it can be the key feature of the year. I am tired of playing single games.

(H) !!!

Ah well, everyone was pretty negative about pes5 in the beginning and well so was I. It did end up to be the best football game ever so I expect the same from pes6. Im gonna buy it as soon as possible.

My opinion:

I think PES5 runs smoother.. Let's put it this way.... It feels like it's becoming fifa gameplay. Slower, not in touch/feeling with ball speed. (don't know how else to put it). It's like the CPU decides how the passing is done.

It's funny how every year there are totally contradicting reports. the game runs much too fast for my taste. There is frantic passing all the time and the time you are able to hold the ball with a player before being jumped at by two, sometimes 3 CPU opps is even shorter. I personally don't like Konami's emphasis on passing and pressing. At least in your own half and playing against a rather defensive team like, say, Milan you should be able to control the ball without being harrassed by oponent players all the time.

I am also a bit irritated as to the game seeming to run at ONE speed (fast) all through out. in PES5, which i didn't like that much, i had the feeling i could control the pace a bit more, at least. here it's back to the CPU playin constant attacking footy (no matter which team) minute 1 to 90.

Some will like that, of course, because it's challenging. you constantly have to make split-second decisions, plus, since the passing has become more difficult, you are prone to be fought down in midfield. Others will have a totally different impression of the game (too slow, too lackluster). this is the weird thing about PES. so subjective. so pleas take what I say as only an opinion.

samualbarros was very negative, but it's true that the game-bending scripts are still in there (i am sure they'll stick out the longer i play)

overall, like i said, i like it. but it's too close too PES5 in many aspects and that's why it's a bit of a let-down. this is what PES5 should have been and now we should have something more fresh. but if you didn't have many issues with PES5 you will love this.

ok then everyone is struggling too score in pes6 very obvious, so tell me people has anyone played we9le and how would it compare to this game, i guess most of you never ended up playing this game everyone just got stuck to pes5 which was a laugh for me.

After some 15 games this is what i noticed:

graphically: worse or the same. Uniforms, crowds and logos got actually worse-some new faces but not many.
sound: same all same all

Gameplay: a new game.
- Pace and speed slowed down (a bit too much if u like playing small teams like myself)
-Defense: really tough, wrong tackle is yellow, pressing X do not really get u anywhere, defenders seem to have lost their physical power
-Attack: forwards do not run as much vertically, u need to use your wings to create space. U need to use a lot through balls to get the action going. Normal passes result in a quite static play.
-Passing: I like the new system to pass the ball into space rather than to a man. takes a while to master it
-Shooting: downgraded, a bit too much for my taste, i won't jump anymore from the chair scremaing when u hit a proper top corner shot.
-Ball Physics: ball has lost its weight, it almost back to PES4 ball feeling. Deflections are more or less the same. Generally players have lost their physical feeling as well. That's the point I realy dislike.
On line: not working yet. I guess later today I'll give it another try

OVERALL: almost but not quite. I think it is a step forward into a new more reaistic gameplay, but it feels like it is half way. It needs to get back the physical feeling, now everything feels too light. Plus it is honestly a shame that the graphic engine has been the same for 3 years. I mean not that we expect something like Gears of War, but u need to spice things up a bit Seabass.

I have the feeling the PS3 version might really be the good one. At the time being i think i would still prefer PES5 with small teams.

Im pretty shocked by some of the comments here to be honest. Myself and a few mates of mine got it yesterday and we all immediately noticed how better the gameplay was. Theres no more easy lob over the keeper like in PES5 this skill is now much much harder to master. The thruballs are more difficult than before and the whole short passing and long crossfield passes into space are fantastic.

As for the graphics , theres not a great deal of improvement in this area but they have deffo polished them up and they look a lot cleaner than previous versions. (Well they do on my Geforce 6800 Ultra)

Online play is what makes this game , being able to now play 2 v 2 and also having the Watch Mode (you can watch your friends play their game and change the camera angles to suit your taste on how to view the match)

No lag whatsoever has been experienced by myself and a few of my mates whilst playing endless hours of 2 v 2 matches last nite.

All in all , I'm extremely happy from what ive seen and experienced so far and look forward to entering the Online Tournaments and Leagues that Konami are going to be setting up over the next few hours.

Being able to play the PS2 Guys is a bonus also.

.....At least in your own half and playing against a rather defensive team like, say, Milan you should be able to control the ball without being harrassed by oponent players all the time.

...... here it's back to the CPU playin constant attacking footy (no matter which team) minute 1 to 90.


I agree with you on this point ... CPU is defending way on opp. half.

Your all making it out to be crap, but i really bet it isn't. Stop being over-critical guys!

The graphics are worse and like someone said, sometimes it runs too fast...

The game is good but i'm a little disapointed... :kader:

has anyone posted any vids for PES 6 yet...?

I think it'll take some time to get used to it. Btw, have the fatigue levels been fixed?
I mean last year you had to rotate your whole squad every three games. I really can't wait to get this game and some kind person to release a patch to fix team names and kits.

btw ... is it possible to play with a mate online vs CPU

btw ... is it possible to play with a mate online vs CPU

Nope :lui: (C)

Is it possible to customize the camera angle? :lui: (C)

I got it today, there are definitely a lot of Gameplay improvements but the models and graphics are pretty much the same.

I only played a few games on Top Player difficulty but I thought the game was pretty easy, especially crossing/heading and defenders were less aggressive.


All in all while I think it's a great game, I definitely wouldn't be buying if it wasn't for the Online Gaming part. Not enough improvements over PES5 to be worth 50€

has anyone posted any vids for PES 6 yet...?

Already posted vids - just watch any video of pes5 , same thing (C)

Got PES6 PC yesterday,

So here's my first impressions:

I played a couple of friendlies (Atletico Madrid - Lyon 4-1) and started a master league with the standard crew on hardest
...and got trashed badly.

The gameplay is _very_ different.

Attacks are more deadly in general than in PES5 is because there is more quick ball control at close quarters with the new R2 dribbling. But in contrast to PES4, players have lots of inertia, physical contact in general has been improved and extended over PES5. You can't keep the ball any more by just doing repeated 180-heel turns. So quick dribbling does not only look better, it also won't help you run past the whole defense, but rather get that one quick pass through.
Shooting is also different, even more depending on the situation of the player.

Defending is harder, more like in PES4, you have to shield the ball and slow down the attacking player. If you attack blindly with R1+X then they WILL fool you with a quick dribble and get you in lots of trouble. As in real football sometimes one single mistake in the midfield is enough to concede a quick goal. The AI attacks are dangerous, with lots of good and quick pass combinations, chip shots, crosses, dribbles, feints, and I even saw the 360spin trick once. They are pretty cold-blooded in front of your keeper also so you really have to do some "micromanagement" and take defending serious. Added to that, the keepers are also more shaky than before, you can't always rely on their magical saves, they deflect more shots, and every decent shot can become dangerous.

Just get it and be frightened of AI attacks like back in the days when you started playing the series.

In general the game does feel somewhat slower than PES5 and less like arcade with the added inertia. But with quicker dribbling moves at close quarters, no automatic defense and not-so-perfect keepers there is more danger and variation in play, a general step towards realism and a nice combination of the pros from PES4 and PES5.

Although (for the first time since PES3) I have a pretty hard time against the CPU I think this game is the best PES ever, or lets rather say probably will become the best PES ever, since I really have to get used to the new playing style.
Still I have the impression that the step from old PES to new PES is bigger than it was in the last few years, but that may also be due to no demo-playing before, and the fact that the differences probably get more critical if you play a very weak side like the ML standard team.

have the fatigue levels been fixed?

Great question! Anyone?

And have they done anything about the invisible barrier when trying to gain possesion of an air ball or is it still the same crap?

Is there Widescreen Support?

I think its good, they've put in some extra editing slots for about 18 teams.

You can fill in the remaining Bundesliga ones, or put in another league if you want. Like maybe Portugal or Russia for example.

I'm filling them with Bundesliga.

Your all making it out to be crap, but i really bet it isn't. Stop being over-critical guys!

Why don't you first get it and play it yourself before judging those who have it already?

Is it possible to customize the camera angle? :lui: (C)

No. Same as PES5.

And have they done anything about the invisible barrier when trying to gain possesion of an air ball or is it still the same crap?

if you mean the 'auto-behind-CPU-player-positioning' , it's still there.

one new feature with the cursor, though, which is quite interesting: 'half-fixed' (i am translating from german, so this might be called differently in english).

this will change the player only when you press L1 and as long as you don't press it there is no cursor change, neither in defence nor in offence. i tried it, and it's kinda weird because even when you attack you have to press L1 constantly to switch to the player you pass to. i imagine it takes some getting used to, but it raises the level of control you have over the game (when you don't press L1 and pass the ball, the CPU will take control of your receiving player. sort of like an auto-run in a racing game)

Played it for 30mins in exhibition mode against the computer on the highest difficulty setting and it's still fecking infuriating as you don't seem to have full control over the players.

For me, it's better than pes5, not much better though.

I still think the tempo is too fast and the positioning of players is still pish at times and what the heck are the goalies about ......... the ref's are still dim as a dark alley and some of the players and team stats are an absolute nonsense.

I'm waiting to play it online to see if i'll be keeping it.

First impression is though, with it being not much better than pes5 it's like a one year old game even although it's just been released !!

I think this should've been the version we had last year instead of the pes5 version garbage and we should playing a much better version now.

But what can you expect when konami hide in their shell to produce the game for a 6 year old antique crap console.

At the end of the day i'm playing a ps2 game on my high end pc and it doesn't feel right. This should have been the version when konami came out of their shell and differentiated the pc version from the ps2 version.

Do konami think the ps2 will last forever .........

For those who have WE9KLE, how does pes6 compare to it?

PES6 is in my opinion horrible compared to 5.
The graphics have not changed.
Neither has their attempt in licensing, apart from LFP. I mean Chelsea is now called London FC...wtf is that?
Edit mode is still nice.
Pretty much, 6 is the same as 5 but with ONLY a BIT more gameplay tweaks and less licensing.
Its really hard for me to say this being a fan of PES, but this year, FIFA 07>PES6. But still, PES5>FIFA06. So it balances i guess. lol
Cheers!

Neither has their attempt in licensing, apart from LFP. I mean Chelsea is now called London FC...wtf is that?!
Konami were only permitted to use two licenced FA Premiership teams, as EA have got the full Premiership licence for FIFA 07, so as they've now got Man Utd licenced, as well as Arsenal - Chelsea were the makeweights for the Man Utd licence.

..Its really hard for me to say this being a fan of PES, but this year, FIFA 07>PES6. But still, PES5>FIFA06. So it balances i guess. lol
Cheers!
aahh.. well.. i was waiting for that kind of comments.. :ewan:

Ok -

WHERE DO I START!?!

What a terrible, terrible game. What an absolute insult to all of us with high-spec PCs that can handle just as good a graphics as the 360 version, yet we're still stuck with yester-years dodgy jagged edges, STUPIDLY blocky textures and absolutely appalling crowd effects.

Gameplay is good. Better than 5, but then this game is what 5 should have been, as it is NO different graphically at all!

And don't even get me started on THAT intro video - admittedly on all versions - but Christ! If you had never played a PES game before, would seeing this video fill you with confidence? No, didn't think so. And the music, well we won't go there...

I feel cheated. They so obviously just couldn't be arsed this year, and clearly waiting for the PS3 to come out, which is just pathetic.

Konami had better sort it out - they can't live off the gameplay forever.

why do people give a dam about the graphics? as long as the animations are as good as the last game it doesn't make any significant difference to how you enjoy the game. unless your really superficial, lets face it most of you wont be playing the game the way seabass intended, same old tricks will be back - lurking outside the penalty box finding samey goals so you can make the game look like fifa, trying to win anyway you can

So, you're quite prepared to have the same graphics for the next 10 years then, because Konami clearly aren't bothered about PC gamers. In fact, it's got to the stage where I am MORE bothered about graphics than gameplay. Technology and times have moved on and we deserve better. Not some graphics based on a technology which is now getting on for 8 years old.

why do people give a dam about the graphics? as long as the animations are as good as the last game it doesn't make any significant difference to how you enjoy the game. unless your really superficial, lets face it most of you wont be playing the game the way seabass intended, same old tricks will be back - lurking outside the penalty box finding samey goals so you can make the game look like fifa, trying to win anyway you can

Graphics are important to make u feel u are living a real experience, just like sound is crucial. Wanna tell me u care just for gameplay? Then fine, try to go to an empty stadium to watch the game and tell me if u like it. Then watch the same game in a very old tv with bad blurred video and tell me if u like it.

Or go out and **** a beatiful woman and then an ugly woman, same gameplay...........but different graphics........

Graphics are important to make u feel u are living a real experience, just like sound is crucial. Wanna tell me u care just for gameplay? Then fine, try to go to an empty stadium to watch the game and tell me if u like it. Then watch the same game in a very old tv with bad blurred video and tell me if u like it.

Or go out and **** a beatiful woman and then an ugly woman, same gameplay...........but different graphics........

:funny:

Wow its not easy to please everybody..there few minority out there who says its terrible game....define 'terrible' please?

Or go out and **** a beatiful woman and then an ugly woman, same gameplay...........but different graphics........

U watch too much porn...go outside ur room and pick up real chicks :lui: (C)

Or go out and **** a beatiful woman and then an ugly woman, same gameplay...........but different graphics........

:funny: :funny: :funny:

The heart of PES is still at the PS2, the platform for which it was developed in the first place. The PC game is just a port of the PS2's, hence the 'old' style graphics. But it's all relative, really. People only think PES6's graphics are bad, because they can be better with today's technolegy. Compared with what we played way back in time, PES6 is astounding, graphically. Of course I could wish for more, and I'm sure we will be flabbarghasted in the future, but for now I am perfectly happy with the many deep gameplay-tweaks Konami has implemented.

And the graphic of ladies? Well, I absolutely doubt if all - nice 'graphics' or not - are capable of the same great gameplay... ;)

Well I finally got my copy today, went home at lunch and played for about 30 mins.


From some of the negative posts scattered about I was fearing the worst!

Well what a suprise, I had no slowdown or any other gripes in the set-up.

And WOW! This plays so much better than pes5, the balance and positions your players get in are great.

I was playing as Newcastle vs Man U, they had scored about 20 mins in, but lots of chances either end!

Then nobby solano breaking down the right, played a great splitting throughball to the edge of the box, and BAM, Duff rockets one top corner off the underside of the bar!

I love this game already, plus the quick free-kicks.

It's a shame most people are having problems, as for those who don't it's a big step up.

Just what I was wanting!

Cheers

Nack

I can't wait for my copy to arrive. If everything works out, I'll be playing it tonight.

I really don't know what people are moaning about to be honest, the several scatter-brain rants are from people without the intellect to actually articulate any sense on the issue for those involved. Please save the server space and type something meaningful for christ sake.

Anyhoo. Yes, they are less teams (lol @ China) and licenses - and to be honest if this does radically effect you - then simply don't buy it. I've never once understood this argument, because this rhetoric comes from idiots who play Barcelona/Milan/Manchester United to death.

If you like a smooth playing, very engrossing and technical minded football game, then buy this. Graphically its a slight step up, but nothing that radical from previous versions. Animations are lot more sweeter, and the player animations as well the close control really adds to the feeling of the game whilst trying to sweep all those annoying miscontrols in PES5 under the rug.

What I do like about this game, is that it has plugged some of the annoying holes in the previous version - by getting rid of niggling fouls and employing a far more accurate shooting system. In the past it was far to easy and annoyingly ridiculous that a player could launch a thunderbolt from 30 yards when he was being closed down or was hitting on the angle on his weaker foot. When thing I've found is that, you really have to make the space for yourself, and its not as easy as shooting on sight with a superior player. The likelihood is those daft Adriano power-blasters are a thing of the past. You really have to understand your team, and the pick the right pass and the right shot at the right time.

Goalie animations are a lot, lot lot better. Plus the nicest thing about them is that they actual hold onto the friggin ball this time. There was chances in the previous version, whereby keepers would parry a fairly weak shot at the centre of their body. Another thing worth noting is that when you play on rainy conditons, the keeper can at times have the ball slip out of his hands. Which I thought was awesome. I also liked how Lehmann sort of fell into the net when I bent a Ronaldinho fk into the top corner. Keepers also now tip shots one handed around the post.

Heading is now a lot more harder as you really have to time it. It was so easy to either hold down the shoto button or bash it randomnly. Now you have to time it, so the player reaches the jump when the ball is in the air. In short, its a lot harder to get a good header on goal.

The long-balls are far better implemented for their range and scope. I think in the older version - it was very difficult to direct the long-ball. I also like the new long through ball passes. Before they were sort of chipped through, whereas now they are sort of cleverly driven over the top, which really adds to the direction of the play.

Tactics. Improved for the noob. Now includes an auto function that will pick your best team and formation/tactics to go with it. This is handy if you don't like setting things up and just want to play.

I also like the automatic selection team, where the computer picks a random team based on certain continents or via 3 seperate teams. That's a fun mode to play, and quite a challenging one to sort of play a certain way with players you're not used to.

Negatives?

* Of course if you like the Bundesliga, you are gonna have to wait for a patch to fill in those blank teams. Shame really, but if Fifa continue their oligarchy more fans will end up supporting that god-awful franchise for longer. Especially if it breeds more petulant fans.

* Far too easy for pros. I've not really found it a challenge yet on the highest level. The CPU, although very well implemented still doesn't really give a great test of your playing ability. But tbh, I think I need to break this a bit more - this is my impression after about 10 games.

* Tactical system is too laboured and at times confusing. They have removed such things as closing down, pressing etc. And now its a manual configuration. I also don't like the layout, its too confusing. The lock-on on the set-piece stats is a nice touch, as it helps you see who your best kick-taker is without having to trawl through the stats. Also shows if you have any PK specialists as well.

* Not really that much in terms of a leap, both in gameplay and in graphics. The graphics have been touched up somewhat, whilst the gameplay is merely and advanced and remastered one of PES5.

Whilst it would be so easy to jump on the Konami bashing bandwagon without even giving as so much thought to the game - I'm not really going to do that. Yes, its not a huge step-up and yes its not a massive improvement over the former - but on its own merits this is far and away still the best goddamn football game on the planet.

If you are a PES-aholic and want to make the step-up to a game that really tries and alleviates some of the annoyances of the previous version, then by all means this game is for you. However, if you feel as if £30 is a bit steep for what they are offering and you perhaps didn't mind what was in PES5, then its best to stick with the former.

I personally think this is far more technical in its approach and is now implementing gameplay that rewards player skill and awareness over the actual level of players you are commanding. Which in itself is a good thing for the longevitiy of the series.

I would hate this series to become a massive sell-out and start pandering itself to the lowest common-denominator. I personally don't care about licenses or about graphics, so long as you can play a good football simulation.

And as a long-suffering football fan who doesn't support a globally based money making oufit - the question of whether you really care about the actual principles over the vain immaterial goods should be a blindingly obvious one to anyone who can truly appreciate both the sport and the gaming off-shoots it creates.

Great, Great review. Thanks :rockman:

...and I didn't think there could be an angrier response than the anti-PES5 response we had last year.

Anyway, so far I'm very satisfied with WE9K:LE, so I'd like to how PES6 compares to it...

I really don't know what people are moaning about to be honest, the several scatter-brain rants are from people without the intellect to actually articulate any sense on the issue for those involved. Please save the server space and type something meaningful for christ sake.

Anyhoo. Yes, they are less teams (lol @ China) and licenses - and to be honest if this does radically effect you - then simply don't buy it. I've never once understood this argument, because this rhetoric comes from idiots who play Barcelona/Milan/Manchester United to death.

If you like a smooth playing, very engrossing and technical minded football game, then buy this. Graphically its a slight step up, but nothing that radical from previous versions. Animations are lot more sweeter, and the player animations as well the close control really adds to the feeling of the game whilst trying to sweep all those annoying miscontrols in PES5 under the rug.

What I do like about this game, is that it has plugged some of the annoying holes in the previous version - by getting rid of niggling fouls and employing a far more accurate shooting system. In the past it was far to easy and annoyingly ridiculous that a player could launch a thunderbolt from 30 yards when he was being closed down or was hitting on the angle on his weaker foot. When thing I've found is that, you really have to make the space for yourself, and its not as easy as shooting on sight with a superior player. The likelihood is those daft Adriano power-blasters are a thing of the past. You really have to understand your team, and the pick the right pass and the right shot at the right time.

Goalie animations are a lot, lot lot better. Plus the nicest thing about them is that they actual hold onto the friggin ball this time. There was chances in the previous version, whereby keepers would parry a fairly weak shot at the centre of their body. Another thing worth noting is that when you play on rainy conditons, the keeper can at times have the ball slip out of his hands. Which I thought was awesome. I also liked how Lehmann sort of fell into the net when I bent a Ronaldinho fk into the top corner. Keepers also now tip shots one handed around the post.

Heading is now a lot more harder as you really have to time it. It was so easy to either hold down the shoto button or bash it randomnly. Now you have to time it, so the player reaches the jump when the ball is in the air. In short, its a lot harder to get a good header on goal.

The long-balls are far better implemented for their range and scope. I think in the older version - it was very difficult to direct the long-ball. I also like the new long through ball passes. Before they were sort of chipped through, whereas now they are sort of cleverly driven over the top, which really adds to the direction of the play.

Tactics. Improved for the noob. Now includes an auto function that will pick your best team and formation/tactics to go with it. This is handy if you don't like setting things up and just want to play.

I also like the automatic selection team, where the computer picks a random team based on certain continents or via 3 seperate teams. That's a fun mode to play, and quite a challenging one to sort of play a certain way with players you're not used to.

Negatives?

* Of course if you like the Bundesliga, you are gonna have to wait for a patch to fill in those blank teams. Shame really, but if Fifa continue their oligarchy more fans will end up supporting that god-awful franchise for longer. Especially if it breeds more petulant fans.

* Far too easy for pros. I've not really found it a challenge yet on the highest level. The CPU, although very well implemented still doesn't really give a great test of your playing ability. But tbh, I think I need to break this a bit more - this is my impression after about 10 games.

* Tactical system is too laboured and at times confusing. They have removed such things as closing down, pressing etc. And now its a manual configuration. I also don't like the layout, its too confusing. The lock-on on the set-piece stats is a nice touch, as it helps you see who your best kick-taker is without having to trawl through the stats. Also shows if you have any PK specialists as well.

* Not really that much in terms of a leap, both in gameplay and in graphics. The graphics have been touched up somewhat, whilst the gameplay is merely and advanced and remastered one of PES5.

Whilst it would be so easy to jump on the Konami bashing bandwagon without even giving as so much thought to the game - I'm not really going to do that. Yes, its not a huge step-up and yes its not a massive improvement over the former - but on its own merits this is far and away still the best goddamn football game on the planet.

If you are a PES-aholic and want to make the step-up to a game that really tries and alleviates some of the annoyances of the previous version, then by all means this game is for you. However, if you feel as if £30 is a bit steep for what they are offering and you perhaps didn't mind what was in PES5, then its best to stick with the former.

I personally think this is far more technical in its approach and is now implementing gameplay that rewards player skill and awareness over the actual level of players you are commanding. Which in itself is a good thing for the longevitiy of the series.

I would hate this series to become a massive sell-out and start pandering itself to the lowest common-denominator. I personally don't care about licenses or about graphics, so long as you can play a good football simulation.

And as a long-suffering football fan who doesn't support a globally based money making oufit - the question of whether you really care about the actual principles over the vain immaterial goods should be a blindingly obvious one to anyone who can truly appreciate both the sport and the gaming off-shoots it creates.I would share many of ur views in this review.
I would also add
Still pissed off that it's a console port and it's still has a very "Japanese" feeling etc
Menus/presentation are shyte still
Gallas has wrong number :fool:
Online mode is ****ed
Still issues with AA and a ripple thru the game and I use Radlink and all
Overall way not enough improvements/change since pes5 last year :nape:

as with all the other pro evo's my first impressions were mixed like most of yours, but it always grows on me. I think its just a case of stick with it and be your doubts will disapear

The gameplay compared to WE9I is completely different now. Shooting is different. The feel of the game doesnt really have no midfield battles. Its more of an end to end game compared to WE9I. PES6 defending is VERY VERY hard. I tried to play at the hardest level right away and got my ass handed to me with a mediocre team. BUT attacking seems very very very easy with players like Henry, rooney, owen. they just sprint like nothing past defenders too easily.

There is actually more satisfaction in keeping a clean sheet now than there is scoring a goal. I have to play it more to get better on defending cus right now trying to adjust from WE9I is very very hard defensivly.


Through balls are better however and allow for better action. This is what I think so far and hopefully I can get better defending.

Can you choose 6* difficulty from the beggining or do you have to unlock it? If so, what else needs to be unlocked?

The gameplay compared to WE9I is completely different now. Shooting is different. The feel of the game doesnt really have no midfield battles. Its more of an end to end game compared to WE9I. PES6 defending is VERY VERY hard. I tried to play at the hardest level right away and got my ass handed to me with a mediocre team. BUT attacking seems very very very easy with players like Henry, rooney, owen. they just sprint like nothing past defenders too easily.

There is actually more satisfaction in keeping a clean sheet now than there is scoring a goal. I have to play it more to get better on defending cus right now trying to adjust from WE9I is very very hard defensivly.


Through balls are better however and allow for better action. This is what I think so far and hopefully I can get better defending.

Agree totally, I was playing on line against barca and this dude was doing "coast to coast" all the time with the big three (ron, mes and eto). No way to stop him. Very unreal: also on line the cheap goals have increased not decreased. the usual wing that passed the ball to avoid the goly to an unmarked man. Dunno whether this will really grow on me.

The gameplay compared to WE9I is completely different now. Shooting is different. The feel of the game doesnt really have no midfield battles. Its more of an end to end game compared to WE9I. PES6 defending is VERY VERY hard. I tried to play at the hardest level right away and got my ass handed to me with a mediocre team. BUT attacking seems very very very easy with players like Henry, rooney, owen. they just sprint like nothing past defenders too easily.

There is actually more satisfaction in keeping a clean sheet now than there is scoring a goal. I have to play it more to get better on defending cus right now trying to adjust from WE9I is very very hard defensivly.


Through balls are better however and allow for better action. This is what I think so far and hopefully I can get better defending.


I agree. I am starting to get a hang of it and scored some decent goals so far. An exceptionally beautiful one with Ximenez going inside on the box, rounding the defence an spinning it around the keeper in the top corner with his right foot. Lovely. I am playing ML on 3* and I am struggling (albeit with the default team). I think it is in many ways a huge improvement over last year's version, and i like how speed finally matters and the CPU doesn't always catch up, but the dribbling speed of the computer-players is way out of control. It seems they had a cup of coffee too many (nothing which editing couldn't alleviate though)

Unfortunately there are still some of the well-known PES 'characteristics' like the CPU scoring late goals. Just had an ML match in which i scored the lead (2-1) in the 89th minute. On the counter attack the CPU equalized. Can't be PES without these idiotic 'can't-do-anything-about-it' goals in injury time. Someone at Konami must really think every other football match has to be like ManU-Bayern 99, otherwise we would be bored... :)

Biggest gripe yet is whenever you actually manage to put a foot in between a CPU player's dribbling and momentarily dispossess him of the ball, your player either stumbles or pauses or does some other stupid thing until the CPU player (or a teammate) can pick the ball up again. I've been having dozens of situations in which TWO of my man round the CPU player up, hit the ball, but in the end the CPU player has it again as if it was glued to his feet. Maybe that goes away with better players but i have the feeling this is replacing the referee whistling this off in PES5.

Dear oh dear.

After playing this 'pes5 beta 2 patch with not all the bugs corrected yet' for two nights I can't stop laughing thinking about what type of people are developing this game. They are so incompetent it's bewildering and worrying.

LMHO, konami are having a laugh. This is indeed a patched version of pes5 without some of the annoying bugs still not corrected, konami have some fecking nerve releasing this tosh, but as many people are saying it's apparent konami standard's are drastically dropping and nobody at konami gives a damn the ship is sinking.

The online mode appears to be less laggy than pes5 but not a huge improvement.

It might keep some ps2 player's and some pc owners who are obviously easy to please and just accept what is given to them, but for people with higher standards this is just inexcusable and the fact konami have the nerve to release this as 'pes6' does sum konami up at the moment.

It's nothing but pure robbery, and konami are getting off with it .....

graphics=****e for pc anyway passing seems to harder any1 agree

For those who have it, does it run smoothly on the PC or does it feel a little more system intensive than PES5?


It's about the same.

Through PES6? Shin-shin-shin-gan.

Period. Best football simulation I've ever played.

By far. Still could be better? Yes.

Still the best. Easily.

Isn't the PC version a port of the Xbox360 version (and if it isn't, why the hell not)? Is the PC the official "half @ssed" version?

This is the first year I'm looking at getting the PC version of PES (I've always found it plays much better on consoles). Does PES for PC get a lot of mods (is PES6 mod-friendly)?

Where can I find the system requirements? I can't find them anywhere?

thanks

Have they fixed the strange shooting where you are sprinting on the right wing and your player would kick the ball with outside of the left foot and it goes in to the top corner? It is really unrealistic.

Isn't the PC version a port of the Xbox360 version (and if it isn't, why the hell not)? Is the PC the official "half @ssed" version?

This is the first year I'm looking at getting the PC version of PES (I've always found it plays much better on consoles). Does PES for PC get a lot of mods (is PES6 mod-friendly)?

Where can I find the system requirements? I can't find them anywhere?

thanks

There u go:


MINIMUM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:

Windows 2000/XP

Intel Pentium III 800MHz or equivalent processor (Athlon/Duron/Celeron)

256 MB RAM

DVD-ROM Drive

NVIDIA GeForce 3 or ATI Radeon 8500 video card

DirectX 8.1 compatible sound card

DirectX 9.0c or higher (included on Disc 1)

*Network(TCP/IP 128 kbps or higher)

1.5GB free hard disk space



RECOMMENDED SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:

Windows 2000/XP

Intel Pentium IV 1.4GHz processor

512 MB RAM

DVD-ROM Drive

NVIDIA GeForce 4 Ti, ATI Radeon 9600, or higher

DirectX 8.1 compatible sound card

DirectX 9.0c or higher (included on Disc 1)

*Network(TCP/IP 1.5Mbps or higher)

4.7GB free hard disk space



SUPPORTED CHIPSETS:

NVIDIA - GeForce 6800, GeForce FX (5950, 5900, 5800, 5600, 5200), GeForce4 Ti, GeForce3

ATI - Radeon x800, 9800, 9700, 9600, 9500, 9200, 9000, 8500



It may be necessary to update your hardware drivers before playing.



* Only needed for Network play

First impressions of this game is that it is really good and enjoyable.

It is way better than PES 5 and other previous versions (played them all).
I must say that ditching this game is an absolute disgrace :rolleyes: . U guys crying need to wake up cause I see vast improvements.

Im looking forward to play more in the future and i will warn mu girlfriend that this will take som of my sparetime... :lui: (C)

You might see vast improvements - that's your opinion.

My opinion is more like this game is a total rip-off, with no improvements to warrant the name "PES6" - more like "PES 5.1".

It's awful.

You might see vast improvements - that's your opinion.

My opinion is more like this game is a total rip-off, with no improvements to warrant the name "PES6" - more like "PES 5.1".

It's awful.

Well that is ur opinion but where r the arguments?

People always cry when a new PES game comes out... I hated PES 5 for the first few days, then grew to love it... So I'm not judging this one until a few days later (tho I like it already).

I, for one, absolutely love it. I love how much KONAMI change the PES/WE seies between titles without really changing very much... if that makes any sense. As far as I'm concerned, they can stop develeping the graphics part of the game at this point; we're playing football with little computer guys and wasting precious resources on graphics seems to me little more than an exercise in futility.

I know very few people would agree with me on that point but I'm an old-school kinda gamer: playability is one, two and three on my list, and I think the series have reached a whole new level of playability. Everything has been tweaked and we finally have realistic ball shielding and decent AI so you can actually play creative, attacking football. Player response is vastly improved, as is general control. My little guys finally understand what I'm trying to tell them via my joypad!

Things that were a little too difficult (taking opponents on, crossing, keeping the ball on the bloody pitch when wide on the flanks) have been made easier and things that were a little too easy (sliding tackles, shooting in general, pinpoint 60-yard flying through-balls etc.) have been made more difficult. The result is an amazingly true-to-life football simulation and, as far as I'm concerned, the very pinnacle of modern fooball gaming. To quote some critic rating Sensible Soccer back in the day, PES6 is "beyond the merest inkling of a suggestion of a shadow of doubt, the best football game ever".

To sum up: I'm impressed.

I like the keepers in pes6!
Also going up for a header after a long lick out etc is far better, not as scripted.

I have to say if you cannot tell the difference between pes5 and pes6 , then just go play Fifa.This is the best version yet , ok next gen graphics would be nice but as a previous poster said its all about the gameplay.

Have they fixed the strange shooting where you are sprinting on the right wing and your player would kick the ball with outside of the left foot and it goes in to the top corner? It is really unrealistic.

Seems gone. I had Ximenez (left-footer) go inside from the left and he used inside of his right foot to score. In earlier versions he would have used the outside of the left foot as you describe it.

Has anyone notice how hard it is to win headers now??? You have to fight for it like in fifa07, BUT of course it looks very different. Also the AI is very good at scoring headers. OMG I just got slaughtered with Colombia against chile 4-0. This never happened to me ever. Looks like I have to play with the really good teams before I even think of winning any titles with mediocre teams like I did in WE9. which I find to be a good thing :rockman:

Has anyone notice how hard it is to win headers now??? You have to fight for it like in fifa07, BUT of course it looks very different. Also the AI is very good at scoring headers. OMG I just got slaughtered with Colombia against chile 4-0. This never happened to me ever. Looks like I have to play with the really good teams before I even think of winning any titles with mediocre teams like I did in WE9. which I find to be a good thing :rockman:

Indeed the game rox... :lui: (C) btw how r u?

Has anyone notice how hard it is to win headers now??? You have to fight for it like in fifa07, BUT of course it looks very different. Also the AI is very good at scoring headers. OMG I just got slaughtered with Colombia against chile 4-0. This never happened to me ever. Looks like I have to play with the really good teams before I even think of winning any titles with mediocre teams like I did in WE9. which I find to be a good thing :rockman:

I like how they made headers in mid-field less fool-proof as in PES5. but overall i still think it's a tad too difficult to perform a decent header (especially in attack). i hate how the computer always positions your player behind the CPU opponent, and R2 doesn't always seem to respond.

I tried a little international challenge on normal to get me into the new game, beat italy home and away but drew 4 times with finland and croatia lol.

I must admit it took me longer to get into pes 5 than pes 6. I like it, but they're doing less each time to make it worth the money.

Shooting from a distance is good, but inside the box, is a whole different thing, its ridiculous because the shooting gauge is too fast, the slightest tap of the button will power it up and the shot will balloon into the stands, even from six yards, nft. There must be a setting to slow it down surely. The fouls are terrible, a perfect full-blooded tackle where the ball is won cleanly = yellow card? **** off. Passing is excellent in my opinion, I love spraying the ball around just like Scholesy does for United, and the ability to lob the ball over the back-four (throughball) is a welcome addition.

But other than that, I for one am glad that the PC version is a direct port of the PS2 and not the 360, I've heard from plenty of 360 owners (on another forum) that the PS2 version is superior and plays better gameplay wise.

There's an option to slow it down in PES5??

Do tell!

I really don't understand why 'some' people are overjoyed with pes6.

Sure, it's a slight improvement over pes5, but not a fecking massive overhaul for a year's work.

Not all of the annoying bugs have been corrected and the online mode is really a joke.

Now it's clear why they didin't release a demo .......

I have Geforce6600 256, anyone else here has this card? that annoying line stutter is gone now?
Not sure I wanna spend money on this yet..

I don't get why there is so many people complaining about PES 6.

They're always looking for something to complain about. The game has been improved a lot compared to PES5 or WE9LE.

If you are complaining about online mode, ok, you're right, but for the game itself, it's not substained.

It's not just about graphics, and that's where us, fans of PES6, must be proud of. What would change if you were able to see the nose hair of one player or the mole in his cheek? Nothing. As far as I know you only see those details in the replays or in the animations when the ball goes out or when fouls are committed. I really don't see the need of changing the graphics in that way.

The gameplay is the key of the game and it has always been about this. It is far better than in previous versions. No more constant fouls, better passing and shooting system, better IA, no more moron goalkeepers.

In summary a much better game and much more fun. :jambo:

I agree, gameplay is what makes PES6 shine.

PES6 gameplay-wise is a slowed down version of PES4 with brand new hit and hope shooting mechanics and some new clever (read: blatantly obvious) cheating scripts. Although it plays a bit better than the pile of ****e that was PES5, I still don't see why it should be marketed as a new game. The few changes in the gameplay are so subtle they could hardly even justify releasing it as a patch, let alone a new game. If PES had files which we could easily change in order to modify the gameplay (i.e the *.ini files in fifa), the editing community would themselves be able to create 1000 different versions of this, all of which would probably classify as a new game by Konami's standards. And I don't really care if their resources are directed towards next gen or not, PES6 on current gen isn't priced as a budget game so it shouldn't have been produced as one. It's a goddamn disgrace tbh.

PES6 gameplay-wise is a slowed down version of PES4 with brand new hit and hope shooting mechanics and some new clever (read: blatantly obvious) cheating scripts. Although it plays a bit better than the pile of ****e that was PES5, I still don't see why it should be marketed as a new game. The few changes in the gameplay are so subtle they could hardly even justify releasing it as a patch, let alone a new game. If PES had files which we could easily change in order to modify the gameplay (i.e the *.ini files in fifa), the editing community would themselves be able to create 1000 different versions of this, all of which would probably classify as a new game by Konami's standards. And I don't really care if their resources are directed towards next gen or not, PES6 on current gen isn't priced as a budget game so it shouldn't have been produced as one. It's a goddamn disgrace tbh.

As a matter of fact, those "subtle" changes are the main reason why this time the gameplay is far better.

I don't see the point why a game seller company would give you the chance to edit the gameplay. They develop the game and they change it as they want, because that is what they work for.

If it were for you, they would've only released PES4, waiting for PS3 or XBOX 360 to go out, as the would make the "major" changes for those platforms.

Maybe they should give us the code. That way we would all be able to change the game as we want.

I don't want to create a huge problem about this. Ultimately we, as consumers, have the chance to buy or not the game if we like it or not.

For me those changes make them a new game. In your case they are minor changes and you need a a whole new graphic and gameplay system to label it as a "new game".

Until the release of next-gen graphics and game, I think this is the best game available.

I think it worth the money.

As a matter of fact, those "subtle" changes are the main reason why this time the gameplay is far better.

I don't see the point why a game seller company would give you the chance to edit the gameplay. They develop the game and they change it as they want, because that is what they work for.

If it were for you, they would've only released PES4, waiting for PS3 or XBOX 360 to go out, as the would make the "major" changes for those platforms.

Maybe they should give us the code. That way we would all be able to change the game as we want.

I don't want to create a huge problem about this. Ultimately we, as consumers, have the chance to buy or not the game if we like it or not.

For me those changes make them a new game. In your case they are minor changes and you need a a whole new graphic and gameplay system to label it as a "new game".

Until the release of next-gen graphics and game, I think this is the best game available.

I think it worth the money.

Well dude you have a peculiar concept of "new". If u wash ur car, put a better radio and maybe fix the unstable gear un can surely call it "new". I would just see it as cleaner and fixed. Nothing worth buying it again..........

But then again it's only a pc game. There will be plenty to come. American version, Korean version, the new jap version for the PS3. Plenty of patches to buy...........

The point isn't about whether they should have made the gameplay files modifiable or not, it's the fact that those changes that make a new game for you could easily be done by anybody with a brain and a reasonable knowledge about how the game plays. You may think of it as a new game if it makes you feel better, the fact is that there's nothing new to it. I don't ******* cry for any major updates or graphic revolution, I want the game to have at least some new content. A revamped ML for example. A new menu structure wouldnt hurt. Some new tactical options instead of removing the old ones. New shooting or passing animations (and I mean new, not slightly tweaked old ones). New grass textures (seriosly, is that too much to ask?) Anything to justify selling it for £30 FFS. If you're willing to throw your money away for **** all then by all means, go ahead. But this release still remains a goddamn disgrace.

It's not about throwing the money, of course.

It's a different approach to the problem. For me it's far better the gameplay and I don't need anything else. Maybe it's just that I don't care that much about graphics, or changing the ML, or adding new option to the tactics (I really don't know what else you need there, it's almost impossible to add something).

Of course graphics, menu and ML improvements wouldn't hurt at all. But I think that if washing my car and changing the stereo would improve my car like this, I would be washing my car every weekend.

Again, I don't want to create a huge deal of this. It's just a game and we have different opinions.

As the things are given, PES6 is far better than PES5. And as I want to have fun with the game, I wouldn't doubt on buying it again.

PES/WE has always been about the gameplay, rather than graphics or sound. Personally I think PES6 is the best in the series. They improved the dribbling, crossing, fouls, shooting, penalties, and slide tackles, just to name a few things. The long balls in particular feel much better with their lower arc. Shots require timing and positioning. Through balls now work properly.

Those worried about unrealistic fatigue in ML, can rest easy because it's now adjustable based on how hard you set you ML to. After choosing AI difficulty it now lets you choose how hard you want your ML to be. At the easiest level, your players never fatigue, they barely get injured, and trades are no hassle. Player development can also be turned off.

Well, that's all I have time for now. I'll post more opinions later.

I have played the game for about 20 hours now. I have won 2 cups with Man Utd and won the first D1 Leangue, D1 Cup with Man Utd. All at the Top Level (5 stars). Here is my review:

Video, Graphic: There is no distinctive improvement. But to be honest, I don’t care much, I still play Final Fantasy 7 sometime because it’s just so good (I beat it more than 19 times already)



Sound: Slightly Improvement. Aside from all the commentator we have all heard from PES5, there are some new lines now for Trevor and Peter to BS. At least now they can call up the name of the player dramatically (when he about to score).



Gameplay: A lot of changes

Defensive:

- A lot harder than before. In PES5 all I have to do is hold R1 run close to the opponent and time my X at the right time and I got 95% success rate. In PES6, If I hold R1 and run at 200 mph at Lampark, he will 100% move slightly to the side avoiding me and then run at 300 mph to the space behind me, and I’m telling you, it is almost impossible to catch up even when I have a decent guy like Rio Ferdinand.

- Good players are a lot more trickier (at least at 5 star level), if the ball are at the leg of Robben, Luis Garcia … some of those confident player, they will run all over you. Sometime I got one guy just run thru 3 of my defenders and score and all I can say is F***. I even get a feeling of the real defender when facing 1 on 1 with one of those Christiano Ronaldo type, when you just know, they are not gonna pass! And as I mention above, defending got harder, you really wish the guy just pass to someone else.

- To stop 1 on 1 situation, you really have to apply Real Knowledge in Defending Football here. Most of the time in PES6, you will only get the ball when you pressure them enuff for them to make a bad pass.

- Oh, and by the way, the notable defensive error is that: NO ONE gonna help you, your mates are either trust in you too much or just so scare of the attacker that they gonna back off from you doesn’t matter how much you scream: “HELP, ROBBEN’s gonna to rape me”. Konami really need to fix this problem




Offensive:

- It was really hard for me to score in my first ML season, I won about 20 games but most of them are all 1 – 0 or 2 – 1. I tried to apply all the tricks that help me to score about 15 goals in a match at 6 star in PES5 but none really work anymore in here.

- The shooting are a lot more real I think. In PES5 eventhough you might have someone close to you, if you are a good player like Rooney, you still gonna score with a bang. In PES6, I’m sure you can kill 2 birds at one with one of those sky high shot. It is so real though, and I LIKE IT, at first I think the it was BS considering I use C.Ronaldo shot about 10 shots and 9 were sky high. But when you look at it real like, C.R does shoot over the bar a lot. You really have to time the shot right and create space for yourself. When you been thru a lot, you will get a hang of it. Now I’m in my second season and at average I could score about 3 – 0 now.

- Crossing and heading are way more diffcult, I think in 20 hours of play, I score about 3 goals by heading. And 2 of them are free header. But that is the way to go, in real life, it is the same freaking thing, Man Utd had about 10 cross in a match and they all score from other situations, but they still play it, because that is the way to play. You have to use width to drag your opponents out.

- Passing improves a lot, and this is the DISTINCTIVE different from PES5 IMO. I have a lot more appreciate for player like Paul Scholes and Carrick now because of their awesome passing skill. In PES5, I use pacy midfielder because PACE is everything in football. However, now passing count a lot as you really have to work you midfield and keep procession of the ball. At the beginning I use C.R, Oshea, Scholes and Park JS in mid, and I lost the ball the most when the final ball is from Oshea.

- Passing also crucial in the final thru ball and counter attack, you will appreciate Carrick a lot when you need someone to deliver that final thru ball from your half to the other half to C.R to do a fast break from flank.

- Freekick: It is harder to score from more than 23 (meter or yard), the goal keeper move faster, they don’t even have to jump to catch any more. I have score 1 so far from 19 meters ( and I consider myself a pretty good freekicker)





Referee, game rules and other matter:

- Cards are handed out WAY MORE CORRECTLY then in PES5. How many times in PES5 when you are in a 1 on 1 with the gk and then that mother f*** CB just ram you with his feet right on your neck that you have to go to hospital for 12 weeks and all that CB get is a freaking talk show with a Ref. No more here brothers, if that f*** CB is the last defender, you have a good chance to give him a Red card by drawing the fault from him, especially if you already pass him. Even in midfield if the opponents tackle you hard, he will get Yellow card easily. All I say is: JUSTICE IS DONE.

- A lot of 1 on 1 situations with defender. This is definitely an unique feature of PES6. I have got myself in a lot of 1 on 1, it seems to me like Konami wants to encourage the 1 on 1 football so much that one you got into it, no defender gonna help out the poor defender guy. I have so much space around me whenever I engage into a 1on1 battle. No defender run behind me, no defender even care running back cover for the poor lad that I gonna jump all over.

- In a 1 on 1, the defender gonna back up just like real life football, you will have a lot of time to do the usual step over and bust thru the side.



There are some other changes but I’m writing too much already. Later.

overall i think it's a slight improvement. Not sure if it's worth full price. However, if you have a way of trying the full game before buying it, you should definately do that before spending any money.

Things that bug me so far (i haven't played online yet):

-playing defence is strange. It's like your guy is stuck in strafe mode. Defenders can't change direction fast enough and they seem to prefer sidestepping then just turning and running. Seems like Konami purposely made defending "sluggish" to provide more AI offence. This makes it a lot harder to defend, and a lot easier for tricky players to get by you. It's another clever cheating mechanism by Konami. They can try and hide it in different ways... but we all know it's still there.

-passing seems more accurate in mid-field and defence than in the attacking zone. I noticed this in PES5 and it seems like it's still here in PES6. For example i will control the ball effortlessly in mid field, but as soon as i get near the box, passing seems much harder and balls are a lot more likely to mysteriously go right to the defenders boot. This makes for really annoying "i did not pass in that direction" talking to yourself moments.

I have played the game for about 20 hours now. I have won 2 cups with Man Utd and won the first D1 Leangue, D1 Cup with Man Utd. All at the Top Level (5 stars). Here is my review:

Video, Graphic: There is no distinctive improvement. But to be honest, I don’t care much, I still play Final Fantasy 7 sometime because it’s just so good (I beat it more than 19 times already)



Sound: Slightly Improvement. Aside from all the commentator we have all heard from PES5, there are some new lines now for Trevor and Peter to BS. At least now they can call up the name of the player dramatically (when he about to score).



Gameplay: A lot of changes

Defensive:

- A lot harder than before. In PES5 all I have to do is hold R1 run close to the opponent and time my X at the right time and I got 95% success rate. In PES6, If I hold R1 and run at 200 mph at Lampark, he will 100% move slightly to the side avoiding me and then run at 300 mph to the space behind me, and I’m telling you, it is almost impossible to catch up even when I have a decent guy like Rio Ferdinand.

- Good players are a lot more trickier (at least at 5 star level), if the ball are at the leg of Robben, Luis Garcia … some of those confident player, they will run all over you. Sometime I got one guy just run thru 3 of my defenders and score and all I can say is F***. I even get a feeling of the real defender when facing 1 on 1 with one of those Christiano Ronaldo type, when you just know, they are not gonna pass! And as I mention above, defending got harder, you really wish the guy just pass to someone else.

- To stop 1 on 1 situation, you really have to apply Real Knowledge in Defending Football here. Most of the time in PES6, you will only get the ball when you pressure them enuff for them to make a bad pass.

- Oh, and by the way, the notable defensive error is that: NO ONE gonna help you, your mates are either trust in you too much or just so scare of the attacker that they gonna back off from you doesn’t matter how much you scream: “HELP, ROBBEN’s gonna to rape me”. Konami really need to fix this problem




Offensive:

- It was really hard for me to score in my first ML season, I won about 20 games but most of them are all 1 – 0 or 2 – 1. I tried to apply all the tricks that help me to score about 15 goals in a match at 6 star in PES5 but none really work anymore in here.

- The shooting are a lot more real I think. In PES5 eventhough you might have someone close to you, if you are a good player like Rooney, you still gonna score with a bang. In PES6, I’m sure you can kill 2 birds at one with one of those sky high shot. It is so real though, and I LIKE IT, at first I think the it was BS considering I use C.Ronaldo shot about 10 shots and 9 were sky high. But when you look at it real like, C.R does shoot over the bar a lot. You really have to time the shot right and create space for yourself. When you been thru a lot, you will get a hang of it. Now I’m in my second season and at average I could score about 3 – 0 now.

- Crossing and heading are way more diffcult, I think in 20 hours of play, I score about 3 goals by heading. And 2 of them are free header. But that is the way to go, in real life, it is the same freaking thing, Man Utd had about 10 cross in a match and they all score from other situations, but they still play it, because that is the way to play. You have to use width to drag your opponents out.

- Passing improves a lot, and this is the DISTINCTIVE different from PES5 IMO. I have a lot more appreciate for player like Paul Scholes and Carrick now because of their awesome passing skill. In PES5, I use pacy midfielder because PACE is everything in football. However, now passing count a lot as you really have to work you midfield and keep procession of the ball. At the beginning I use C.R, Oshea, Scholes and Park JS in mid, and I lost the ball the most when the final ball is from Oshea.

- Passing also crucial in the final thru ball and counter attack, you will appreciate Carrick a lot when you need someone to deliver that final thru ball from your half to the other half to C.R to do a fast break from flank.

- Freekick: It is harder to score from more than 23 (meter or yard), the goal keeper move faster, they don’t even have to jump to catch any more. I have score 1 so far from 19 meters ( and I consider myself a pretty good freekicker)





Referee, game rules and other matter:

- Cards are handed out WAY MORE CORRECTLY then in PES5. How many times in PES5 when you are in a 1 on 1 with the gk and then that mother f*** CB just ram you with his feet right on your neck that you have to go to hospital for 12 weeks and all that CB get is a freaking talk show with a Ref. No more here brothers, if that f*** CB is the last defender, you have a good chance to give him a Red card by drawing the fault from him, especially if you already pass him. Even in midfield if the opponents tackle you hard, he will get Yellow card easily. All I say is: JUSTICE IS DONE.

- A lot of 1 on 1 situations with defender. This is definitely an unique feature of PES6. I have got myself in a lot of 1 on 1, it seems to me like Konami wants to encourage the 1 on 1 football so much that one you got into it, no defender gonna help out the poor defender guy. I have so much space around me whenever I engage into a 1on1 battle. No defender run behind me, no defender even care running back cover for the poor lad that I gonna jump all over.

- In a 1 on 1, the defender gonna back up just like real life football, you will have a lot of time to do the usual step over and bust thru the side.



There are some other changes but I’m writing too much already. Later.Nice analysis.......agree with most points.
Esp the defending.
I just feel it has made the game more arcadey like and that IS bad.

Nice analysis.......agree with most points.
Esp the defending.
I just feel it has made the game more arcadey like and that IS bad.

If u have problem with ur defence just select France... :lui: (C)

I mean I can also get past opposing defenders and score alot....online is the major culprit.
Already being involved in a 3-3 draw
5-3 win etc etc

I dont understand why some of you said that the game is too slow compared with PES5. Are we playing different PES6?
The game has got a lot faster than PES5, and feels like PES4. The build-up now can almost skip middle field, diretly passing from side defender to the winger forward. For better or worse, the build up is much easier.

I played Chelsea, the London FC, in EPL. I just felt like I was playing PES4, which I liked a lot. The side attack is much easier than PES5. Defending is more difficult because CPU doesnt make mistakes much. One thing I found out, play the defense from behind, not face up, CPU almost alway doesnt realize there is somebody chasing behind to take the ball away. Play face up, CPU can pass your guy like he's nobody. The goalie is a joke. Peter Cech makes mistakes that even Dudek on his worst day wouldnt make. Corner is hard to defend too. The CPU can get to the spot first most of the time.

Speed kills CPU though. I use Roben on the side, he is almost unstoppable like the superman. I think passing got a little easier too. Just push x-x-x, you will not lose the ball easily. Massively swithing the point of attack like Dutch style always finds open space easily against CPU.

All in all, the game is different from PES5, which I am tire of already. Not as exciting as I expected, but I will take it for another year.

I like it, think its even more realistic.
The passing seems more fluid and I like the fact you need to be accurate or you kick the ball into empty space.

I also think that there are more quality players, not just Adriano with a ridiculous shot.
Played a game of 2v2 last night with some fellow evo-league players and it was a good laugh, think this gives it an edge over other games to be honest.

Some players need to give it time, its the same every year.

:shades:

I mean I can also get past opposing defenders and score alot....online is the major culprit.
Already being involved in a 3-3 draw
5-3 win etc etc

I aslo noticed that, on line it's like a tennis set. The last 2vs2 ended up 6-5. It was fun, but not sure it felt real. I mean either u shoot ronaldhino or he is gonna kiss u good bye everytime he get the ball.

Btw, someone should explain to the the japs that in our alphanumeric system 6 comes after 4 and 5, and it is not in between them...........

:ewan:

The point isn't about whether they should have made the gameplay files modifiable or not, it's the fact that those changes that make a new game for you could easily be done by anybody with a brain and a reasonable knowledge about how the game plays. You may think of it as a new game if it makes you feel better, the fact is that there's nothing new to it. I don't ******* cry for any major updates or graphic revolution, I want the game to have at least some new content. A revamped ML for example. A new menu structure wouldnt hurt. Some new tactical options instead of removing the old ones. New shooting or passing animations (and I mean new, not slightly tweaked old ones). New grass textures (seriosly, is that too much to ask?) Anything to justify selling it for £30 FFS. If you're willing to throw your money away for **** all then by all means, go ahead. But this release still remains a goddamn disgrace.

I agree with you, 100%. I like PES6, but IMO it's where the series should have been a year ago, and now we should have something more 'evolved. If one was cynical one could almost believe Konami purposely did a **** job on PES5 so they could sell PES6 as a 'brand new game' just by removing the more blatant flaws of the previous version. It's not like something like this hasn't been done before in this busines.

OTOH, we are in a transitional period (next gen), so we should cut them some slack and hope they make a better effort for PES7. Overall, I am quite happy with it, even though I know it's less then I expected.

been a long time fan of pes and i havent really shared my thoughts on the previous pes before but i have mixed emotions about pes6. Love the fluid motion of the players, you feel like you have more control on your player and the quickness you can get from the passing, Ive created some great 3 pass moves that have ended in goals in the attacking area, great fun. BUT!!

Aside from the graphics/sound etc... I amazed at how quick the game is, is it just me or the game is running way too quick, and whats double speed for? its almost comical to switch that on and play, i feel like i should have some benny hill music playing in the background while im playing, its just silly, what it for anyway, possible speeding up managerial gameplay?

Also to add to the speed of things, I found many times that i had the ball in a comfortable area to only be attacked by a superman speed defender in a matter of seconds, this is displayed painfully in a break away charge to goal, there have been so many times where i've taken a through ball that splits the d and to be on my way to goal when a defender develops a few seconds of super speed to be able to catch up to me to defend the ball out for a throw/corner or even take the ball off me.

and to top it sometimes the animation of the players movement(especially running) looks like they are playing on ice, don't get me wrong the 'players' body animations are great its just something is not right about the players connecting with the pitch, it just looks like there sliding rather than actually stepping on the ground, like the players are floating in a way i suppose, hard to explain. hmmm

one last thing, do others find that when you are being defended in the box and only tab the shoot button your shot almost always results in the ball ballooning over the goals?

I more disappointment than impressed with this release, like people have mention before it feels more like a .5 release(and even a unfinished .5 release) and I unfortunately have to agree.

Obviously i will still play it and its still playable but dosent mean i can't be disappointed with some of the playing elements, went a whole year with pes5 like that, lol.

Pld alot more , defence is way too weak.
Game while making progress on some fronts imo it is now behind 5.

Pld alot more , defence is way too weak.
Game while making progress on some fronts imo it is now behind 5.

Good points, i think it should be called "Pro Evolution Soccer 4.5 2007".......

Btw, someone should explain to the the japs that in our alphanumeric system 6 comes after 4 and 5, and it is not in between them...........

Good points, i think it should be called "Pro Evolution Soccer 4.5 2007".......

What a funny guy you are. Are you a comediant?

The game is great. If you don't want to play it, leave it.

If you think you can do better than Konami, start your own company. With you comercial skills, giving away your code and selling one game every 3 years you will broke in a few months.

There will always be something to complain about, I don't see the point why you always look the glass half empty. Why don't you train a bit more and enjoy the game as it is?

:jap:

What a funny guy you are. Are you a comediant?

The game is great. If you don't want to play it, leave it.

If you think you can do better than Konami, start your own company. With you comercial skills, giving away your code and selling one game every 3 years you will broke in a few months.

There will always be something to complain about, I don't see the point why you always look the glass half empty. Why don't you train a bit more and enjoy the game as it is?

:jap:

U surely belong to those without sense of humour. Why don't u go get some?

And what kinda argument is that one? If i don't like it i should make my own game. So you say everytime u dislike something u should first make your own things. So if u don't like the bread u bought u start ur own bakery?

Dude we buy the game and we are free to exchange our opinions. If ur pride is shaken by that go see someone and talk to them. It's called SeaBass syndrome..........

U surely belong to those without sense of humour. Why don't u go get some?

And what kinda argument is that one? If i don't like it i should make my own game. So you say everytime u dislike something u should first make your own things. So if u don't like the bread u bought u start ur own bakery?

Dude we buy the game and we are free to exchange our opinions. If ur pride is shaken by that go see someone and talk to them. It's called SeaBass syndrome..........

Dont' get mad at me, I was also joking about your comediant skills. :)

My argument is a bit exaggerated, I know. But if you don't like your the bread maybe you should go a buy bread somewhere else.

And about the Seabass syndrome, don't worry, I don't have it. It's just that I think the game is far better than PES4 or PES5. I really don't care if it took them 2 days of work or 1 year to get people's opinions and improve the game. It's a company, they win money by selling us games, and sometimes I don't get the point why some people is complaining. You are free to buy the game or not. You are free to play it or not.

Please, don't get me wrong. I accept your opinions and post mine and this is how a forum works. Hope we can help someone with this.

Dont' get mad at me, I was also joking about your comediant skills.

My argument is a bit exaggerated, I know. But if you don't like your the bread maybe you should go a buy bread somewhere else.

And about the Seabass syndrome, don't worry, I don't have it. It's just that I think the game is far better than PES4 or PES5. I really don't care if it took them 2 days of work or 1 year to get people's opinions and improve the game. It's a company, they win money by selling us games, and sometimes I don't get the point why some people is complaining. You are free to buy the game or not. You are free to play it or not.

Please, don't get me wrong. I accept your opinions and post mine and this is how a forum works. Hope we can help someone with this.

No prob dude I only get mad at konami's server these days........ :ewan:

Dont' get mad at me, I was also joking about your comediant skills. :)

My argument is a bit exaggerated, I know. But if you don't like your the bread maybe you should go a buy bread somewhere else.

And about the Seabass syndrome, don't worry, I don't have it. It's just that I think the game is far better than PES4 or PES5. I really don't care if it took them 2 days of work or 1 year to get people's opinions and improve the game. It's a company, they win money by selling us games, and sometimes I don't get the point why some people is complaining. You are free to buy the game or not. You are free to play it or not.

Please, don't get me wrong. I accept your opinions and post mine and this is how a forum works. Hope we can help someone with this.

What kind of bread r we talking about? :lui: (C)

]I don't get the point why some people are complaining.

Because: no complaints, no changes.

PES fanboys LOVED PES5... "Best ever", "So realistic", "Love it", "Why are people complaining?", "Go play FIFA if you don't like it"...

Now turns out PES6 is miles ahead. Why is that, you think?

I personally thought PES5 recieved the worst feedback eversince the start of the franchise. The term 'more realistic' was used, but still, the complaints were too many.

Hi I have one problem with game! When I create cup with group & knock-out stage I can't set home and away format for k-o stage. Did Konami miss that? :rolleyes:

For me PES6 is a very very very big disappointment !

1- same graphics pes4 pes5 pes6... 3 years long the same stupid graphics !!!!!!!!!

2- shots in pes6 are realy f***ed up !!!
they've tried to be realistic... but now it is completely over-realistic !

3- compared to fifa's manager mode... master league is below all levels...

4- about the licenses i don't want to say something...

5- finally : the gameplay ; game speed (BALL SPEED !) players movements etc... EVERYTHING is so slooooww !!!

please try this : play pes6 for just 1 hour....
then directly go watching real soccer on TV ----> you will be shocked !!!

so pes6 is a booooooooooring slooooooooooooow ans very "oldy" stupig game !

After the first five games or so I thought that PES6 is kinda crap. I liked the fact that it felt slower and more difficult than PES5. It did seem hard when I started my first ML with the default players (Dodo, Burchet...), but now that I'm playing with Chelsea it's pretty easy. I'm probably ready to start a new ML with the default players (but I hate them :D). Dribbling was very hard for me at first, but I'm getting better at that, too.

I do like PES6 more and more every day. It doesn't seem that slow anymore, I'm getting a hang of it. The ball seems very light though, and shots seem sloppy apart from a few exceptions. Goalies let in seamingly (that a word?) easy shots. However, I like the goalies now a lot more than in PES5. CPU will score if you give the chance, so you really have to be careful with their attacks. And thank God for the referee. Everytime we touch I get this feeling... that the ref is going to blow his whistle, because that's how it was in PES5. Now the ref is very good. My first game in PES6 didn't have any freekicks, 'cause I'm used to playing so carefully with PES5. Where are the linesmen? New animations are cool.

Difficulty level is 'Top player' and I'm playing on PC. IMO PES6 is the best so far but it's not perfect. New graphics for the next one, please.

Yes yes, the physics of the ball is totally wrong...way too light.
and u said it was more difficult then 5? I find it much easier damn it, why I hate it, too arcadey.

Yes yes, the physics of the ball is totally wrong...way too light.
and u said it was more difficult then 5? I find it much easier damn it, why I hate it, too arcadey.
I thought it was more difficult after a few matches, but I don't think so anymore. It's rather easy to score.

how do you score many goals, most of my shots blaze over the bar even with R2 pressed when the gauge bar is displayed??

Well here's my review after a whole season of master league and a normal league season on hardest difficulty:
After playing the first 3 matches, I didn't notice any major differences between PES5 and PES6 and it definately felt like a patched version of PES5 so I thought I should play 5-10 more matches before drawing any conclusions. However, it still felt like a patched, "frustrating" version of PES5 that wasn't even patched correctly. What on earth are Konami thinking? The game still rules in terms of gameplay, but we want evolution, something really worth noting. Somehow I fail to see how many of you consider that gameplay improvement major. I have a feeling that this version of PES will even receive more negative feedback than the previous one.
Here are my gameplay annoyances:
- I don't feel like I am in full control of my players. It's like you have 80% control while a CPU "script" or whatever does the rest in a way you didn't intend to.
- More CPU cheating. It's like they Konami has their own database of cheating scripts that can be executed when necessary.
- The crappy player positioning somehow give a fake impression that passing is more realistic.
- Don't let me get started on shooting.
- The annoying fatigue problem as if all players smoke.
- I don't know if many of you noticed this, but this "bug" where a fast striker makes a very straightforward run between defences is back.
- Wingers are lazy with their runs. But this has been a problem since hell knows.
- Players that make a difference always are the first to get injured.
Those points give you the impression that PES6 is much more difficult but it's not. When the CPU cheats and every single ball magically bounces to a CPU player's foot, players are crappy in their positioning, you don't get to fully control your players, you eventually feel it's more difficult. Oh and save those "go and practice more" comments for some other occasion.
Whenever I feel like playing it, the frustration wins over the enjoyment after 3-4 matches as opposed to those old days where you could go on for 10-15 matches in a row only to notice that it's 4 AM in the morning.
I'm disappointed with PES6. Is that what Konami calls a step forward? I am thankful that it didn't cost me much to get this game except for the bandwidth and time of downloading it. Have a nice day and let the flaming begin.

PES6 ....what a load of sh*t

Come on Seabastard, is this the best you can do? What a f*ucking muppet!

Oh, and by the way, Mr Sh*itba*stard, if you're actually reading this, here's a suggestion....how about you go do something to actually "improve" your game instead of endless sideways movements?

The word "evolution" implies that things gradually evolve, get better!!! Not just stay the f*cking same year after year but in an ever so slighty different colour.

And your now tiresome fallback of cpu script as a substitute for gameplay can no longer be justified. So go do some f*cking work to justify another £35 fee from the punters, you lazy f*uckhole.

I'll comment when I play the PS2 and PC versions. In the XBOX360 version (the one I've played) the gk are allways very bad positioned and let easy goals in. Hope these error is solved in the other versions.

I think the key issues for me are the following:

1)Ball and player physics back to PES4, horribile shooting and a step back in term of depth of the game

2) Defense:

This a superkey point. In PES5 there were indeed an awful amount of fouls. nevertheless in real football if u try to steal the ball and touch the player it is indeed sanctioned. This made the off line quite frustrating but the on line quite realist. I mean you could be aggressive in the middle, but if a player made to the box u realy had to defend by positioning and not tackling to risk penalties. Close to the box you had to well considered your options as a free kick would very often result in a gol (i had 3-4 decent free kicks each game on line).

Now you lost control over this key issue in defense and pressing X seem kind of random, plus I have the feeling my central defenders are made of air, they do not impose themselves physically like they did before. I kthey would be better off by making the ref more intelligent rather than changing upsidedown the system.

Unfortunately they current market competitor is still in the ice age..........

PES6 is the best and realistic football game ever.....love this game so far.. like the improvement in player animation ..they movements of the players are so real..

some of the criticism here is pathetic ..if you ask me. :boohoo:

Hey,i noticed tt the LB or SB at the left side usually gets fatigued easily.even when his condt is excellent!!is this a bug?

PES6 is the best and realistic football game ever.....love this game so far.. like the improvement in player animation ..they movements of the players are so real..

some of the criticism here is pathetic ..if you ask me. :boohoo:The keepers online are weaker then Iraqs government.

anyone knows if you can score with a back heel, like in WE10?

some of the criticism here is pathetic ..if you ask me. :boohoo:[/QUOTE]

We won't ask you.

anyone knows if you can score with a back heel, like in WE10?


Here is the proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQMUcXV4jAk

I just score another 9 - 1 game at Top Level.

I don't see the problem with shooting anymore, it's realistic, you have to time it right, create between yourself and the ball. Don't expect to bang good if you just got the ball and immdiately press square.

Here is the proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQMUcXV4jAk


How do you do it?

How do you do it?

Matthews Feint:
Basically, all you need to do is have the ball at your feet in a stationary position, then press first left and then right, or vice versa (where left and right refers to 90 degrees from the direction your player is facing). As you might have guessed, this can be done in both directions by all players it seems.

(C) :lui:

I've been playing the demo for quite a while now...

Can the players be any slower?? any less responsive? This game is SO slow. I can't believe anyone thought the game was too fast.

Players run in an extra cool/calm way... their speed is really slow., it's painful.

The ball is SO SLOW as well. It takes ages to travel between players, who are slow to get to it (Balance a-la-Konami) ... The shots on goal are SO slow, too. Far-from-reality slow.

On the plus side: The animations are really nice. Especially those of the through lob pass, the headers, and the keeper saves. And no silly fouls. That's it.

The grass looks terrible. The overall gameplay and graphics of WE9LE look much better.

And what happened to Fifa's new offside rule? About not blowing the whistle unless the player participates/touches the ball? You know, the rule Konami implemented in PES5, the previous version? It used to be a time saver for me.

Classic Konami. Complaints about WE10 being too fast, and they go extreme and make PES6 too slow. Do we have to wait 2 years/versions to get every issue balanced correctly??

And finally, the SOUND.... what a failure it is. I play WE9LE without commentary, and it's not bad, however, in PES6, what's wrong with the constant crowd whistling/boohoo and the occasional "deep breaths"? I scored 3 goals in one half and the soundwas just as dull as ever.

On many aspects, imo, the game seems downgraded in comparison to WE9LE.

The game is really crappy. The ball physics is ridiculas! The shots on goal are terrible. The game is way too slow and boring. The graphics are just the same as it were in the last 5 years. Why bothering to buy a new grapichs card?! Crappy crappy game. All the reasons to stay with pes5.

I've now played one season ML, not on the hardest difficulty, I'm currently at Average. Thought I should try that first, since it's a long time since i played PES. Well, this is my opinion:

Shooting the ball over the stadium from the penalty mark isn't that cool, guess I've never seen that in a real fotball-game.
The offside-rule is totally wrong in this game, the ref would never blow if the ball doesn't reach the player in the offside position.
Also the sidebacks does a very lazy job zone marking wingers. My backs always get in to the middle of the pitch, leaving the winger alone unless I manmark him. That's not how zone marking should work, as the winger definately is in the sideback's zone.
The new through-pass is excellent, I love it. I also think my team-mates makes more and better runs, but sometimes they stand still or makes runs in completely wrong directions. I also noticed that if I have the ball on the side with no teammates in front of me, I'm standing still waiting for the sideback and the sidemidfielder to come up overlapping and making runs forward, but both are just standing still 3 metres behind me. That's frustrating... I've seen this kind of movement in almost every footballgame I watch, is's almost the first team-move you learn as a footballer, but it's not implemented in this game.
Fatigue levels are also very frustrating. I've to change my whole team from game to game, as their performances drop significantly if they are a little tired. The sidebacks are worse, they can only play one half... That's ridiculous, knowing a lot of sidebacks in real life play almost every game a whole season.
Some games are just ment for losing. Your players get overrun by slower opponents all the time, your passes doesn't reach your teammates, and when tackling, the ball always goes to another attacker. When in a fight for an air-ball, your player falls down, the opponent takes the ball. Frustrating, but it's kinda like real-life. Some matches or halfs are just really bad. You come out to the second half playing another game...

Apart from this, a really good game :) Guess I'll be playing for some months now, I've already uninstalled FIFA07, but I really hope there will be a patch fixing at least some of those things I mentioned. If not, I hope someone can tweak it?

I like PES6 very much, mainly for the tons of little actions you can perform and the the fact that when the ball is in play, it doesn't seem scripted. I know some of you think it DOES, but I just don't see it. The outcome of every action I take on the pitch is influenced by so many factors, that you are never sure. One of my best scenes in the game was yesterday. A sidemidfielder got the ball with a little bit of luck and decided to lob it into the penalty box. Instead of heading the ball I took a step back with my striker, and with his chest he passed the ball to an incoming second strike, who let it bounce and then fired a terrific half volley, from a difficult angle. The ball went just wide.

The thing is: PES5 is a great game too, as is PES4 etc. The thing about evolution is that the progress goes slow! Of course PES6 is not perfect. If it was, there would be no need for an evolution anymore. That's why the title of this game is acurately chosen: there is always something that can be bettered, sometimes you only experience that after a while.

It's good to strive for perfection, but beware of dicontent becoming a habit. The only solution to that is not playing the game.

I, for one, couldn't be without it anymore. Well, kind of.

I have just installed the game, played a couple of matches, and loved the new gameplay. i think it´s much better gameplay than pes5, although i have to get used to it.
The graphics are pretty much the same, but it´s ok for me, the game runs smoothly, and i dont have a new pc, it runs better than pes5 on it.
I was reading other posts and opinions are very different, but for me, the game is a step forward in the right direction.

Shooting the ball over the stadium from the penalty mark isn't that cool, guess I've never seen that in a real fotball-game.


Well i recall a penalty kick from Beckham in a torunament for England where the ball came down on the parkering lot :lui: (C)

PES gameplay is really good i like it...all the other stuff is for kids... :lui: (C)

The game is AMAZING with all the patches and kits!! beautiful gameplay!!

I've been playing the demo for quite a while now...

Can the players be any slower?? any less responsive? This game is SO slow. I can't believe anyone thought the game was too fast.

Players run in an extra cool/calm way... their speed is really slow., it's painful.

The ball is SO SLOW as well. It takes ages to travel between players, who are slow to get to it (Balance a-la-Konami) ... The shots on goal are SO slow, too. Far-from-reality slow.

On the plus side: The animations are really nice. Especially those of the through lob pass, the headers, and the keeper saves. And no silly fouls. That's it.

The grass looks terrible. The overall gameplay and graphics of WE9LE look much better.

And what happened to Fifa's new offside rule? About not blowing the whistle unless the player participates/touches the ball? You know, the rule Konami implemented in PES5, the previous version? It used to be a time saver for me.

Classic Konami. Complaints about WE10 being too fast, and they go extreme and make PES6 too slow. Do we have to wait 2 years/versions to get every issue balanced correctly??

And finally, the SOUND.... what a failure it is. I play WE9LE without commentary, and it's not bad, however, in PES6, what's wrong with the constant crowd whistling/boohoo and the occasional "deep breaths"? I scored 3 goals in one half and the soundwas just as dull as ever.

On many aspects, imo, the game seems downgraded in comparison to WE9LE.



slow.....are we tolking about same game......
for me ******* this is speed game if we compare whit pes5
maybe it depends what comfiguration u have
my personal think this is guilt of ps2 conversion :nape:

but gameplay folks...........gamplay is amazing

found it slow as hell too. Also, they did a lazy job with the appearances. I know its not the most important thing and also i know they should worry about the " big players" but they made half the Chilean Team seem black as well as other players. also, dont know if its just me but my x and o buttons are reversed and cant fix em.

PES6 is a nicely made, well flown, superbly animated ARCADE CRAP for teen agers and younger kids who like to take big stars and run all over the field with them.

PES5 was a half finshed, horribly flown, weirdly animated first attempt to have a FOOTIE SIMULATION who did fit for more grown up players.

A mix of the two would be almost perfect.........

PES6 is a nicely made, well flown, superbly animated ARCADE CRAP for teen agers and younger kids who like to take big stars and run all over the field with them.

PES5 was a half finshed, horribly flown, weirdly animated first attempt to have a FOOTIE SIMULATION who did fit for more grown up players.

A mix of the two would be almost perfect.........

I disagree the gameplay is the best of the PES series.

Is it perfect? No...but thats another discussion.

FIFA for kids
PES for adults

:lui: (C)

I disagree the gameplay is the best of the PES series.

Is it perfect? No...but thats another discussion.

FIFA for kids
PES for adults

:lui: (C)

Play on line and them let me know what ya think.

And Fifa in for brain damaged kids...... :ewan:

PES6 is a nicely made, well flown, superbly animated ARCADE CRAP for teen agers and younger kids who like to take big stars and run all over the field with them.

:jambo:

Play on line and them let me know what ya think.

And Fifa in for brain damaged kids...... :ewan:

Well i dont play online mainly cause im no kid with tons of sparetime and secondly cause of my crapconnection... :nape: (C) :lui:

Well i dont play online mainly cause im no kid with tons of sparetime and secondly cause of my crapconnection... :nape: (C) :lui:

I see, then off line the gameplay is good, it just does not fit the online 1vs1. O line 2vs2 is more fun though.