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Rossoneri undaunted by United

AC Milan will look to turn the clock back almost 50 years when Manchester United FC visit the Giuseppe Meazza defending a 3-2 lead in the UEFA Champions League semi-final.

• It was in May 1958 in the last four of the European Champion Clubs' Cup that Milan became the first and so far only team to overturn a first-leg deficit against United in Europe's élite competition. Then as now Milan lost a lead at Old Trafford and succumbed to a late goal, going down 2-1 to a Tommy Taylor strike on 80 minutes.

• Milan undid the damage on home soil, however, as Juan Schiaffino (2), Nils Liedholm and Giancarlo Danova earned the Rossoneri a handsome 4-0 victory. Save for that reverse, United have won 22 ties in the European Cup and UEFA Champions League - qualifiers included - in which they have held an advantage from the first leg.

• United hold the upper hand this time thanks to Wayne Rooney's added-time winner in a thrilling first leg. Milan appeared in control at the interval at Old Trafford as they responded to Cristiano Ronaldo's early header with two goals from Kaká. However, Rooney made it 2-2 on 59 minutes before flashing the ball past Dida for a second time moments from the end.

• United are within one victory of a century of wins in the European Cup, including qualifying, a feat that has only been achieved by three other clubs. Real Madrid CF have been successful 173 times in Europe's premier club competition, followed by FC Bayern München (115) and semi-final rivals Milan (106).

• In 50 years of European competition, United have surrendered a winning position only four times, that 1958 loss to Milan included. The most recent instance was in the 1984/85 UEFA Cup quarter-finals against Székesfehérvári Videoton SC. Following a 1-0 home win they were then beaten by the same scoreline in Hungary before bowing out 5-4 on penalties.

• For their part, Milan have faced a first-leg deficit six times before in Europe's élite competition and won through on half of those occasions. Their most recent victory in these circumstances was in the 1968/69 first round where they overcame Malmö FF 4-1 on home soil after a 2-1 loss in Sweden.

• Their most recent defeat, meanwhile, was in last season's semi-final against FC Barcelona where they went down 1-0 at home before a goalless draw at the Camp Nou.

• The last time Milan retrieved a first-leg loss in any European club competition came in their UEFA Cup quarter-final against Hapoel Tel-Aviv FC in March 2002. After a 1-0 away reverse, Milan triumphed 2-0 at San Siro through a Rui Costa strike and Shimon Gershon's own goal.

• Milan have a 100 per cent record against United in two-legged contests. Following that first confrontation in the 1957/58 European Cup semi-final, the sides met again at the semi-final stage in 1968/69. Milan won 2-1 on aggregate, following up a 2-0 home success with a 1-0 defeat in Manchester, where present-day United director Sir Bobby Charlton found the net.

• The Rossoneri recorded 1-0 victories both at home and away in the teams' first knockout round encounter in 2004/05, Hernán Crespo claiming the only goal on both occasions.

• The teams for the second leg of that tie in Milan on 8 March 2005 were:
Milan: Dida, Cafu, Nesta, Stam, Maldini, Gattuso (Costacurta 88), Pirlo, Seedorf, Rui Costa (Dhorasoo 85), Kaká, Crespo (Ambrosini 78).
United: Howard, Brown (Smith 85), Ferdinand, Silvestre, Heinze, Ronaldo, Keane, Scholes, Rooney, Giggs (Fortune 57), Van Nistelrooy.

• Milan have never lost at home to English opposition, recording six wins and five draws in eleven matches.

• Carlo Ancelotti's side have had mixed fortunes at home in the UEFA Champions League this season. In the group stage they defeated AEK Athens FC 3-0 and RSC Anderlecht 4-1 before losing 2-0 to LOSC Lille Métropole with qualification already assured. In the first knockout round they beat Celtic FC 1-0 through Kaká's extra-time goal, thus securing an aggregate win by the same scoreline. Then in the quarter-finals they were held 2-2 at home by FC Bayern München before a 2-0 away success.

• United have lost three of five away games in their 2006/07 campaign. In the group stage they beat SL Benfica 1-0 in September but went down by the same score at Celtic FC and FC København. Ryan Giggs earned them a 1-0 win at Lille in the first knockout round – setting them on the path to a 2-0 aggregate success – while in the quarter-finals, they succumbed 2-1 at AS Roma but made amends in spectacular fashion with a 7-1 home triumph.

• That defeat at Roma was United's ninth in 12 visits to Italy. They have won only twice away to Serie A opposition but their first success was against a Juventus side under Milan coach Carlo Ancelotti in the 1999 UEFA Champions League semi-final. Famously United trailed 2-0 to two goals from Filippo Inzaghi – now a Milan player - before replying through efforts from Roy Keane, Dwight Yorke and Andy Cole to triumph 3-2 on the night and 4-3 overall.

• Milan are aiming to reach their tenth European Cup final and United their third. The Italian team's most recent final appearance was two years ago, where they lost to Liverpool FC on penalties after a 3-3 draw in Istanbul. It was in 1999, meanwhile, that United were last in the final, overcoming FC Bayern München 2-1 in Barcelona.

• Overall Milan have previously been semi-finalists eleven times in this competition and only twice have they failed to go on to the final – losing to Real Madrid CF in 1955/56 and to FC Barcelona last season. Milan reached the 1992/93 final direct from the group stage.

• United's record at this stage of Europe's élite competition is less impressive, their eight previous semi-finals bringing just two victories. The most recent of their six semi-final losses came five years ago when they went down on away goals to Bayer 04 Leverkusen.

• Milan would play another Premiership team if they reached the final. Besides their 2005 defeat by Liverpool, they have won their two other UEFA finals against English clubs. They defeated Leeds United AFC 1-0 in the 1972/73 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup final and Arsenal FC 2-0 on aggregate in the 1994 UEFA Super Cup, played in February 1995.

• United goalkeeper Edwin van der Sar played in Serie A between 1999 and 2001 with Juventus, while Mikaël Silvestre, out for the season with a shoulder injury, spent the 1998/99 campaign at Inter. His fellow French defender Patrice Evra also played in Italy in the late 1990s for Marsala Calcio and Monza Calcio but never in the top flight.

• The winners will face Liverpool in the final on 23 May in Athens and will be designated as the home team.

Great introduction!
I can't wait, less than 3 hours to go :)

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It's gonna be hot tonight! (H)

Fergie being interviewed right now.


I didn't know managers are supposed to talk before the game. Is it a champions league rule?

by the way if you want english commentary, check out www.talksport.net

click on "listen live".

Anyone watching it on ESPN Asia like me?

Pippo and Gatusso starting. Maldini out for the game..

im damn nervous n scared

it's Alan Green on talksport.net........ damn annoying

Champions League theme!


good..he's not commentating.

holy **** what a save by Van der Sar.

Thumping drive by Seedorf

heinze's findin it difficult to defend in the rain..

fck

Kakaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I hope kaka dies.

Amazinggggggg Kaka!!!!!!!!

I hope kaka dies.
He's amazing, but immortal goes too far ;)

What a shot man... his 10th CL goal of the year :eek:

gattuso is just trying to fould ronaldo...

As soon as he struck it you knew it was in...

Ferguson has gotta move Ronaldo out to the right... Gattuso is controlling him.

bye bye cl

Calamity defending.
Good finish, though.

Milan is planning a revenge :rockman:

Seeeeeeeeddoooooooooooffffffffff

What a goal by Seedorf... Milan's doing it again. Respect :(

hope we do a liverpool

Why in the hell did Heinze play that pass to Vidic in the first place? What the f*cking hell was he thinking? United were looking good until Milan scored again. It's now a mammoth task.

Milan looking pretty solid!! Closing United players down, not giving them anything. Add to that some brilliant finishing, they have taken a huge step!

Heinze is just getting in the way out there though! useless defending and going forward!

What Is Going On With Manchester Uniteds Defence?!?

Gattuso is having a great game. Cronaldo's getting pushed around, with the red not bailing him out he cant handle it.

Disappointing. Man U are getting dominated, I expected a much closer game.

Oddo's getting forward a lot more and you can tell it's openning up the field immensely for Milan.

good game by Milan, hope it shuts all the man utd fans up

Wes Brown has been terrible

good game by Milan, hope it shuts all the man utd fans up


You supposedly support Inter Milan? You know, the rivals of AC Milan...

Milan is made for CL. How's possbile Inter won the title?

ManU doesn't exist, every Milan player know where should be. Only Oddo should learn how to center into penalty aera. Gattusso plays like a professor, he's everywhere. He's a man of the match till now.

FORZA MILAN!!!

We need to push up a little more and have some faith on Vidic and Brown. If we don't press and attack now we have no chance.

move Ronaldo back on the right!

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Heinze has sucked copper balls so far

great match .....where's Rooney?:eek:

Half Time.


What the hell was that? We're playing a Milan side that's on top of their game and we seem to have forgotten the very basics. There's only one United player that's doing anything at the moment and surprisingly it's Fletcher. Ronaldo is being shut down and the defence seems to be laughable.

It also seems we were playing that stupid 4-5-1 formation again, we've switched to 4-4-2 now but even with our ability to score goals I fear it's beyond us now.

I haven't seen United owned this badly in the UCL since the Bernabeau in 2003!

Quite honestly, playing like that :sb9: we deserve to get our asses handed to us. :nape:

I'm hoping for the miraculous comeback, but you can only have so many.

Mike

god our defending is piss poor. Milan deserve the place in the final. I would be happy if we could just score 1.

good game by Milan, hope it shuts all the man utd fans up


And why should that shut us up? We're having a fantastic season despite all those injuries so it's not like Man Utd are overrated or something.

Anyway, we're not playing that terrible, it's that Milan are having a great solid game. Our passing is always a disaster whenever we play away in the CL. I hope we make it like we did against Juventus :(

united fans...

f*ck you

Man Utd better wake up, Milan is demolishing them at every aspect of the game.
Tho i have the feeling Milan wont last for 90 minutes, and ManUtd will turn it around. Lets hope im wrong.

where are ur little bullsh*t "EPL > Serie A" comments now?

bring saha on...he will at least win those long balls. roooney is so isolated with 2 CBs.

where are ur little bullsh*t "EPL > Serie A" comments now?

7-1

mika still has a sore d*ck over that roma thrashing

we need to attack!! we should have gone with an attacking formation in the first place. tho im a man u fan, i think kaka showed why hes miles better than any player on the pitch including ronaldo,...ronaldo doesnt seem to be as good as he looks to be...

God i feel like kicking gattuso right in the face. He's chasing everything like a dog.

7-1

i remember also 1-5 at San Siro

if you know what i mean :rolleyes:

Gattuso :Bow: :Bow: He is truly dominating the game. Really proves how much Milan missed him in the second half of the first game

You supposedly support Inter Milan? You know, the rivals of AC Milan...

So I should say Milan are sucking?

Good one :|

God i feel like kicking gattuso right in the face. He's chasing everything like a dog.

He's better than Scholes IMHO, but Scholes can actually shoot. I would rather have Gattuso in my team than Hargreaves.

u just got lucky one time big deal

Roma been owning Milan all season long

we beat them 2 - 1 away and 3 - 1 at home so f*ck you

united fans...

f*ck you

Sorry I'm watching my team in the UCL Semi Final, why aren't you? Ohhh that's right because we knocked you out :evil: :evil:


Mike

We should be hustling alot harder!

Stop embarrassing yourself Mika. idiot. Although I guess we should all be used to it by now.

shut the f*ck up

don't u have some Alan Shearer pics to jack off to? lmao

as much as gattusso is playing class
he has fouling equally and not yet booked
mofo ref

So I should say Milan are sucking?


I was just saying that you sounded terribly like an AC Milan or some one like Mika .

shut the f*ck up

don't u have some Alan Shearer pics to jack off to? lmao

Ok. peabrain. Go jack off to more photos of yourself and don't waste everyone's time.

don't u have some Alan Shearer pics to jack off to? lmao

don't u have some Francesco Totti pics to jack off to? lmao

The ref has been rubbish. Gattuso should have been booked.

ya teh ref has been rubbish
but so has united been.
and fergies insane to have smith,ole n saha stil lshaggin on the bench

Pippo Off, Gila In??

i missed it but the commentators were talking about a push on the back of rooney that could have been a penalty, is it true? and should it have been?

Mika... go f*ck urself! Shearer is a much bigger legend than Totti will ever be. And I don't believe that Newcastle lost 7-1 at Old Trafford this season?

BTW he's the only world class player uv'e got

i missed it but the commentators were talking about a push on the back of rooney that could have been a penalty, is it true? and should it have been?

^ Didn't notice that mate.

Man United are enjoying a good spell atm, but you feel that is not enough.

Rooney has been awful tonight. Although without him in the first leg they would not have had a hope in hell.

Well if we do lose, milan played a very good game, we didn't. They would have earned it.

Mika... go f*ck urself! Shearer is a much bigger legend than Totti will ever be. And I don't believe that Newcastle lost 7-1 at Old Trafford this season?
Ok, let's not get into that, guys. However true it might be ;)

Gilardino - great finish but yet again where was the defending?

Game over.

**** it, all over. Congrats Milan.

GILAAAA MAKES IT 3-0. BYe Bye ManU

i dont get it why are the commentators acitng like its over? man u still needs 2 goals to not be eliminated (unless they lose in et)

ahahaahhahah

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hahahahah

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haha

lol lmao

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

HAHAHAHAHA...

eat my sh*t and die Sir Alex

Whatever gets you off tw*t.

Mika has been waiting for over a month for ManU to do anything poor, so he could cum with delight all over his own face.

*looks in envy* Good job Milan

mika stop acitng like an idiot roma is out by man u so stfu. your an idiot you need to get over it, so go drill another hole in your wall and enjoy your 5 minutes of pleasure

hey mika, it must suck to root for another italian team to take out the team that whipped your behind doesn't it? :)

It also sucks to be a dumb f*ck. But well, he's born like that and can do nothing about it.

we got pawned
milan played class
fergie acted stupid today by keeping his bench sitting till 70 minutes
apart from that the referee was a mther fcker..
the worst ever

Well played Milan, the better team won, fingers crossed you go on to win it.

Mika has been in his mothers p*ssy and not only when he was born. That's the reason of his issues...

Yes I am pathetic! Hey Mika we could be related!! And congrats Milan! Who I also support...

I'll rooting for Liverpool in the final. I don't want to take away credit from Milan's great performance today, but it's unfair that Milan were allowed in the CL from the first place and let's not forget that Bayern were robbed.

take that Manchester..... that's how you get your ass kick !!!!

Kaka for best player in the world, along with Messi

So its safe to say that Gattuso and Kaka have taken that Player of the year from Ronaldo and shoved it up his arse. Congrats Milan. A truly deserved win..

I know its early but hey, the way ManU have played..

OMG what a joke. Are you CITY IN DISGUISE??????? Treble my ass

Milan were the better team today, hats off. Good luck in the final.

lmao I'm loving ur comments... so creative

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

hahahahahaaa

yes I feel so f*cking good

its so good to see you Man U fans so pissed off

hope u lose the rest of the EPL games as well so the Russians win for the 3rd time in a row

Desperately wanted a ManU - Liverpool final... but can't argue with Milan over the two games!

I'll be rooting for Liverpool in the final, but would certainly not be sad if Milan won it and deserved it.

lmao is seedorf crying

OMG what a joke. Are you CITY IN DISGUISE??????? Treble my ass
haha damn so you just come and trash every single english team that gets knocked out of the CL now?..

Got to laugh at guys like Mika... always pretending he doesnt give a crap about anything, and that no one can get to him, that he is so above everyone else..

Yet you just know that if someone ever ripped the eye out of his teddy bear he'd be crying for weeks.

aah what a great day!!!

anyways my day will just get better cause... I'm off to San Diego for a f*cking TOOL concert with girls

while u a*sholes sit at home and eat McDonalds lol

hmm
well played milan
deserved victory
trully..
congrats
repeat of the 2005 final..
may the better team win.

PS. :and ya mika..ur hyperactive and seem to have over raging hormones

Congrats Milan.

Outplayed Man U for most of the match and deserved to go through. Let's hope we have a good final in Athens.

aah what a great day!!!

anyways my day will just get better cause... I'm off to San Diego for a f*cking TOOL concert with girls

while u a*sholes sit at home and eat McDonalds lol

Makes me sad that a bunch of great and intelligent musicans like Tool have fans like you. (:/)

The 3rd goal didn't really make that much of a difference. They still needed at least 2 goals. But it was never going to happen. United were absolutely awful, but Milan were very, very solid. They had more hunger and desire. Congrats

I hope Milan win the CL.

OMG what a joke. Are you CITY IN DISGUISE??????? Treble my ass

:|(Y)

YES, as long as its not Arsenal. What you want me to root for ManU who we beat 2wice this season??? and chelski who are a bunch of wankers and might get their asses handed to them this weekend IF we feel like playin???

No doubt. It becomes clear we need some more depth in defense. But either way, I think milan would of pulled this one out regardless.

Well played Milan.
Have to admit Milan was the better team over two legs.

Good luck in the final!

Milan were outstanding tonight and United were an embarrassment to the Premiership. Shame on you.

congrats Milan. you were great toda.y

and chelski who are a bunch of wankers and might get their asses handed to them this weekend IF we feel like playin???

As if the reason to why your team is mediocre this season is because they didn't feel like playing. Have a say when your team is actually accomplishing something this season.
Besides, you should care about English teams making it far because with lower coefficients your team won't be able to make it to the CL.

Man United's squad is so fragile and it is starting to show.

milan played well. but we didnt turn up at all. again we had nowt in defence, could have done with evra not being banned like. oh well at least we got 2 trophies still to play for and were still the only team in uk to win the proper treble. roll on saturdy i guess.

out played by milan today. damn shame, we had 1 shot all match on goal. good game played by milan, if they play like that in the final you will win it.

What a domination by Milan. If you compare Milan's midfield to Manchester's midfield, you see a huuuuuuuge difference. Milan has mentally and physically great players, Manchester has physically fragile players like Giggs and Scholes. Face it, they're over the hill for big matches like these.

Serious questions have to be asked about Ronaldo being "the best player in the world." Sure he can do it against Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, but he certainly can't do it against a good defence. Considering how much importance this game really had, I'm starting to question my opinion on him being the best player...

YESSSS, MAN U ARE OUTTTTT, hey we lost on penalties but damnn yall lost 3-0 , got destrroyyedd, . MILAN FOR THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE , take out liverpool.

If liverpool lose i'll be very happy if they win i'll kill myself

GATUSSO PW3ND that b!tch ronaldo

Milan deserved to win. United were the architects of our own downfall. As I said before, I haven't seen us play that badly in Europe for years - And once again the only United player to emerge with any credit IMHO was Darren Fletcher, not a one of our big names stepped up tonight and frankly we deserved a hiding.

Good luck to Milan in the final, I honestly believe they deserve the title after a demonstration like that - plus I wouldn't mind them beating Liverpool,
hey I'm a Man Utd guy :funny:


As for Mika, I cry when I see a post from him, because I know there's a village out there - desperately missing it's idiot.





Mike

If liverpool lose i'll be very happy if they win i'll kill myself

then run to the nearest gun shop right now

4th place Milan way too much for runaway leaders in EPL :clapwap:

That was a complete demolition, made players like Rooney, Giggs and SCHOLES look ordinary. Gattuso completely played Ronaldo off the park, one of the best games I've ever seen him play, not a foot wrong, and contrary to what some of you said, none of his tackles were bookable.

After the thrashing Roma took at Old Trafford, it was nice to see Milan gain some revenge.

Still, out of any English side, with all do respect to UTD, Arsenal or Chelsea, Liverpool is the club I fear most in a one off game. Still though, considering most of the team from Istanbul is still intact, there will be no shortage of motivation. It wouldve been fun to play Chelsea though, I dont think Mourinho has ever gone up against Italian opposition yet, and I know how much he admires our tactics and defending, maybe next year if hes still in a job.

On a side note, I have no clue why Ferguson shelled out so much cash for Carrick. For a holding style midfielder, he couldnt be more useless.

we havent been good away frm home in the cl..
it shows
losing 2-1 to roma
and now milan.

in my vision..
heinze cost us big time...n both legs.hes been miserable

Gatusso, what a player. He shut down Ronaldo, and without Ronaldo, United isnt capable of winning these games.
As a whole, that was one of the best displays in the CL this year by any team.
Now go beat the **** out of Pool :D.

Liverpool have shown consistency and have been tactically spot on more than Milan in the CL. So don't be so sure about Milan winning it.
dipset:
Losing on penalties hurts more than losing 5-3 on aggregate.

Serious questions have to be asked about Ronaldo being "the best player in the world." Sure he can do it against Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, but he certainly can't do it against a good defence. Considering how much importance this game really had, I'm starting to question my opinion on him being the best player...


criticism on Ronaldo would be harsh. He's never claimed to be the best in the world, its been all the English people who've given him this title. Its all of you that gave him this billing, meanwhile anybody out of England without bias would point towards Kaka without hesitation.

Fully deserved. It was a pleasure to watch Milan playing tonight.

I'm so ******* happy I'm lost for words right now. there's nothing better than watching your team dominate your brother's team like that. ahhh God I love it. I cant honestly pick a man of the match, everyone played great. Ambro and Gattuso didn't let ManUtd breathe for most of the game, Kaka and Seedorf just dominated the attacking/creativity factors, Nesta and Kaladze did amazing to clean up at the back, Janks and Oddo were average but didn't put a foot wrong all night, Inzaghi was a pest as usual, Gila scores as a sub (he needed that), Dida with safe hands all game long although he was never really called upon for a save except for Giggs' early ****. just a clinical team performance, wonderful to watch (unless you're a ManUtd fan)

ON TO ATHENS! REVENGE!!! (6)

As if the reason to why your team is mediocre this season is because they didn't feel like playing. Have a say when your team is actually accomplishing something this season.
Besides, you should care about English teams making it far because with lower coefficients your team won't be able to make it to the CL.


My emotions wouldn't be so bad if your team had actually shown a little bit of FIGHT in them. Jesus even a 10 man Arsenal side against Barcelona showed more determination than your team did today. Yes I know you are a great team this season and yes you will probably win the EPL. BUT goddamn you guys went out like little girls.

o and i loved it when the utd players didnt return the ball, it made the win much more enjoyable...

Personally, i don't see any difference, except that one loose animal, that looks like he was brought up straight from the brazilian jungle. Scary dude.


Our defense cost us dearly this time, Heinze was trying to play too smart in the second goal, which i think changed everything. At that point, United were starting to slowly get a feel of things and try to create something, but the mistake and then a horrible clearance by Brown, plus an amazing finish from Seedorf ended any of our hopes.

Fergie didn't help with his usual european 4-5-1. Honestly, one thing i don't understand about him this season is why he uses the 4-5-1? We controlled the midfield much better with 4-4-2, rather than 4-5-1. Giggs was nonexistant, Fletcher was having a bad game and Ronaldo couldn't do anything with 2 players on him at all times, especially when one of them is Gattuso. We knew that we can't defend with that kind of defense and only chance to win is to attack, but when it came to the game, we did completely the opposite and tried to survive the strom. Another **** up from Fergie, the 4-5-1 just doesn't work with this team, but he loves it for some reason.

Bringing on Saha, who hasn't played for a long time was another bad move. First mistake was waiting till 15 minutes left to do something and then out of Saha, Solskjaer and Smith, he brings in Saha, when the other two would have clearly been a much better option.

The ref was horrible today too, fell for Gilardino's diving a couple of times, left Gattuso off the hook, god knows how many times. And the calls he was making were just funny at times. Let's just say that he isn't much of a United fan.


Overall, though outplayed by Milan. They were missing Maldini but United couldn't take advantage of that. There is so much talk about how great Kaka is and how he runs this team and does everything for them. However, if anything this tie was won by Gattuso and only by Gattuso. All the pressure and mistakes that Milan capitalised on were caused by Gattuso chasing the play like a rotweiller. You look at the last week's game, it was the exact same thing, until Gattuso went off, then United took over with Kaka hidding under Heinze. This week, as soon as i heard that Gattuso was playing, while Maldini was out, i knew that this tie is pretty much over. When Gattuso was taken off, you only needed to look at his face to see, the main man behind Milan getting into the final.

My emotions wouldn't be so bad if your team had actually shown a little bit of FIGHT in them. Jesus even a 10 man Arsenal side against Barcelona showed more determination than your team did today. Yes I know you are a great team this season and yes you will probably win the EPL. BUT goddamn you guys went out like little girls.

Oh so now you're all negative because we didn't show a fighting character. You sound like those American commentators on ESPN.

My emotions wouldn't be so bad if your team had actually shown a little bit of FIGHT in them. Jesus even a 10 man Arsenal side against Barcelona showed more determination than your team did today. Yes I know you are a great team this season and yes you will probably win the EPL. BUT goddamn you guys went out like little girls.

Well you just make sure you hold onto that 4th place, or Bolton might catch ya lol. Arsenal went out like 'little girls' to PSV Eindhoven. Milan are far better than them.

I would like to see Milan win it now. For obvious reasons lol. They played quality tonight, so Milan to win the final for me. Kaka was great in both legs of the semi.

completely outclassed by Milan in this game well done.

Gattuso man of the match for sure, great game from Kaka and Seedorf. Midfield was just dominated by Milan in this game, and the defense was much tidier.
Pirlo and Gattuso (with the exception of a few mistakes from Pirlo) just owned the midfied.

Just one thing. Athens: Liverpool FC vs. AC Milan. That's all.

Just one thing. Athens: Liverpool FC vs. AC Milan. That's all.

Ok and your point is?

Maybe, he works for UEFA.

Good luck to Milan in the final, you deserved to win this tie.

Milan were tactically almost perfect.

then run to the nearest gun shop right now

WTF , thier 8 million ways to die , if i was gonna go out thats not the way and plus i prolly take u with me.


GO MILANNNNN ... take Liverpooool OUT

mmm wonder wat Sheva is thinkin


Id rather lose on penalties then to go out 3-0 , imagine if chelsea had lost 3-0 at Anfield it beee wayyy more harsher and be very embarrassing. Good thing we didnt lose to liverpool 3-0

Congrats to the finalists Milan and LPool

GO MILAN

not using this as an excuse, but is it really suprising that the two teams who have nothing at all to play for in the league and in the position to rest a lot of key players at the weekend have went through? i mean when we and chelsea are pushing on 3 fronts in the final stages of the season and serie a well decided and at least a 4th place secured for ac milan and liverpool its no suprise they won out in the end given the amount of games we for example have had to play. pushing on 3 fronts with only 17 1st fit players is bound to catch up eventually,and i feel it did tonite

not using this as an excuse, but is it really suprising that the two teams who have nothing at all to play for in the league and in the position to rest a lot of key players at the weekend have went through? i mean when we and chelsea are pushing on 3 fronts in the final stages of the season and serie a well decided and at least a 4th place secured for ac milan and liverpool its no suprise they won out in the end given the amount of games we for example have had to play. pushing on 3 fronts with only 17 1st fit players is bound to catch up eventually,and i feel it did tonite

Very true

I will leave this short. You could come on here and say this that and the other, but overall Milan were the better team. they deserve their win.

I think Man U and Chelsea fell victim to competing on 3 fronts over the last few weeks. Milan and Liverpool have come nowhere close to winning their leagues, so I think fatigue was a factor.

Saying that, no excuses, Milan were better and Kaka has proved how damn good he is.

Originally Posted by april__29
not using this as an excuse, but is it really suprising that the two teams who have nothing at all to play for in the league and in the position to rest a lot of key players at the weekend have went through? i mean when we and chelsea are pushing on 3 fronts in the final stages of the season and serie a well decided and at least a 4th place secured for ac milan and liverpool its no suprise they won out in the end given the amount of games we for example have had to play. pushing on 3 fronts with only 17 1st fit players is bound to catch up eventually,and i feel it did tonite
That should never be an excuse for losing a big tournament. If youre fighting on all three fronts and you cant make it in the biggest competition of all then you have to sacrifice the small ones. If you dont then you cant blame anyone but yourselves.


Also I want to nomiate Kaka for WPOTY right now....

Serious questions have to be asked about Ronaldo being "the best player in the world." Sure he can do it against Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, but he certainly can't do it against a good defence. Considering how much importance this game really had, I'm starting to question my opinion on him being the best player...

its like you read my mine mate, can totaly agree with this, hes been great in the premiership, but he needs to step up too in this kinda games, the good thing he is young and the gets this kinda lessons today, he will mature more thruw out the years , but this year its all about kaka, i say it once and i say it again he is the **** right now.

That should never be an excuse for losing a big tournament. If youre fighting on all three fronts and you cant make it in the biggest competition of all then you have to sacrifice the small ones. If you dont then you cant blame anyone but yourselves.


Also I want to nomiate Kaka for WPOTY right now....


id agree with that, if we had the squad. but when yove got 17 fit players for the best part of 3+ months its gonna catch up regardless of how great the players are. if your playing every game on all three comeptitions with only 17 players and fighting for pretty much every point its gonna tire you out

hey mika, it must suck to root for another italian team to take out the team that whipped your behind doesn't it? :)

:rofl:

That should never be an excuse for losing a big tournament. If youre fighting on all three fronts and you cant make it in the biggest competition of all then you have to sacrifice the small ones. If you dont then you cant blame anyone but yourselves.


Also I want to nomiate Kaka for WPOTY right now....
There is a reason why trebles or even doubles (domestic league and CL) are not won by a team almost every year. And its not because they don't have quality.

Sir Alex held his hands up and admitted the best team had won as United crashed to a 3-0 defeat in the San Siro.

Defensive errors have plagued the Reds in recent weeks and AC Milan showed no mercy as they marched toward the Champions League final.

"We gave away goals very cheaply and at this level you can't do that," the United boss told Sky Sports. "Credit to them, they pressed us really well and were very well prepared. They were certainly sharper and quicker to the ball. They've been good winners."

Certainly, Kaka and Gennaro Gattuso excelled in Milan's midfield and gave Paul Scholes and Michael Carrick little room in which to operate.

"Without question, we were on the back foot all the time," added Sir Alex. "Even in possession of the ball we found it difficult. I think they were better prepared, physically. They've been resting players and that can make a difference. We've had to play the same players all the time.

"For fifteen minutes after half-time we looked like we were getting some momentum and had a few shots blocked. But we needed that goal to turn the game around. In fairness, we didn't really look like we were going to score."

The Reds' attentions now turn back to the Premiership, where United travel to Manchester City on Saturday for a lunchtime kick-off.

"You have to put the disappointment behind you," insisted Sir Alex. "That's always been a measure of this club for many years now. The players have handled it in the past and I'm sure they'll handle it on Saturday.

"They know it's a big game and that they can win the title this weekend. That's a big incentive. I think Louis Saha will start on Saturday and Rio Ferdinand could be okay too, so we have some glimmers of a stronger squad over the next few weeks."
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That's how you react when your bid for the title is all over, not like Mourinho.

On another note. I think Fergie would've retired if he'd won the CL. Now he'll still manage United next season.


















I'm trying to find something positive about today :(

Deserved win for Milan, our performance was pathetic. But I have to say this, for me EPL has been priority from the start of the season so dropping out of CL doesn't feel so bad as it should. Besides, that's football in cup competition, one bad game and you're done. I get much more satisfaction out of EPL title knowing we stopped Chelsea from getting it 3rd time in a row.

Am I the only one wondering why Rooney tried too much on a cross rather than using his head?? may have ended up a goal..

On another note. I think Fergie would've retired if he'd won the CL. Now he'll still manage United next season.

I'm trying to find something positive about today :(

theyres plent of positives, we still got 2 things to play for, tonite was a case of the last few months catching up a bit but come saturday we'll have 3/4 of first choice defence back :-)

That was a dominating performance. Kaka and Seedorf were absolutely amazing the entire match and what can you say about Gatusso (Y). Hell you know it was a good day when freakin Giladino scores.

I'll give the people who know about football the chance to analyze the match. But I'm not. Im just too sad to say anything.

:(

oh well i aint gonna come here and make excuses but United were tactically naive today.

* Gattuso was used as a man marker today and broke up many attacks. He must have made the most important tackles today.

*We didnt follow suit by assigning a man marker for players like Kaka and Seedorf

*We thought we were too good to match the Italians at their own game man marking and playing deep.

*We were never going to go to Milan and batter them. We needed to keep possession for the first half hour and not gung ho like we did against Roma.

*There players are obviously stronger but have also been told to close us down quickly. Why werent we closing them down in the same way?

*We werent picking up runners. I once saw Kaka pass the ball to Seedorf and run through no one picked him up. Other times we stood off players. We failed to move the ball quick. We kept getting caught and looking the victim.

We simply lost because Milan were the better team. They studied our game and approached the game keeping in mind key players. I honestly think our players were marked out of the game majority of the game. Many players struggled throughout. Ronaldo was handled so was Rooney.

One thing that frustrates the life out of me is the fact we didnt treat this game the way it should have been treated. We playing in the San Siro and were trying to pass variation around a Milan defense that knows what were going to do. Shift the ball dummy shoot this is the champions league. No team is going to be a mug and let you shoot or run through they are going to block everything. We werent popping shots at the keeper. We were trying to pass and cross all the time. When we should have being shooting on sight everytime. Ronaldo angrily dribbled a player and had space to shoot but laid it off to the wings. What for?

I see many european teams adopting a simple approach we should follow suit. We should be able to give accurate shots from distance like Roma did against us in Olimpico. We had many opportunities and build ups. more than a fair share despite the possession. We didnt take them. We didnt play well at all. The third goal was in no way United standard. We are suppose to be better than that.

Sorry but are these the guys that people said were matchfixers and involved in the mafia and all that. This definitely wasnt fixed. This was a smashing. And the players and manager need to learn from this. Player fatigue i dont think i can use that one. Milan have played their fair share of games plus the average age of their squad is 30 plus. If we dont want players getting tired we should have thought about that in the transfer window or crashed out of one of the cups. Player fatigue cant be used as an excuse. We lost the game tactically and their was a bit of naivety involved. No excuses there. United fans have to hold their hands up and say we got battered. End of really.

Positives okay a couple of shots and a couple of good build ups. But it counts for nothing because the result is what matters really. We were a bit rushed in possession. We tried to get something going second half but found it hard. Gattuso is some player though. Kaka is an amazing player but we didnt pick him up properly. So he was even greater than great again today. We paid the price for that.

We cant call ourselves a force in Europe if we struggle against these teams every year. The players have to get over this quickly or the league and the fa cup could be at risk.

Fully deserved for Milan, even tho I wanted United to qualify.

Yea, everybody is right Milan deserved the win on the field, but I still strongly think that they shouldn't even have been allowed in this competition this year.
The punishment was a ******* slap on the wrist.
Milan might now win the Champions League after a season of cheating and match fixing. Not that I'm saying they will, but if they wanted to, what's to stop them from match fixing again? They'll look back and say we won the Champions League the next season they won't care if we fix the game.:nape:

hey mates theirs still next year, tought i was routing for milan, i think this season manchester was the most enjoyable team to watch, they played some beautiful football; i just think milan apply the game tacticly perfect, hell even in the first leg,
anyways i think UTD cant use playing 3 cups as an excuse, barca made the double last season, and they had many injurys truw out the season, milan are still playing the calcio and they are fighting to qualify to the next CL, otherwise i have to agree with the guy that mention you guys needed to set prioritys if it was the case.

Yea, everybody is right Milan deserved the win on the field, but I still strongly think that they shouldn't even have been allowed in this competition this year.
The punishment was a ******* slap on the wrist.
Milan might now win the Champions League after a season of cheating and match fixing. Not that I'm saying they will, but if they wanted to, what's to stop them from match fixing again? They'll look back and say we won the Champions League the next season they won't care if we fix the game.:nape:

or this simply proves that they dont need match fixing or anything to stop them from winning...

i think UTD cant use playing 3 cups as an excuse, barca made the double last season, and they had many injurys truw out the season, milan are still playing the calcio and they are fighting to qualify to the next CL, otherwise i have to agree with the guy that mention you guys needed to set prioritys if it was the case.

10 games in 33 days, with a second string defense and conceeding the first goal in 6 of them has nothing to do with fatigue? In previous two games, the forwards had to really work hard to pull themselves out of the hole the defense dug out for them, taking away a lot of energy. Milan at the same time used only like 3-4 players that played against United during the past two weekends. Resting pretty much all of its key players. The position Milan is fighting for in Serie A is so much less demanding than the one United is fighting for in EPL.

Barcelona didn't have their whole backline injuried during the last 6 weeks of the season, infact they had almost every first team player fit during that period and they didn't have to win 29 out of 38 games to win the league.

I agree that Milan played better and deserved to be in the final, but you just can't discard the fact that fatigue was one of the major factors why United played so badly at the San Siro.

Yea, everybody is right Milan deserved the win on the field, but I still strongly think that they shouldn't even have been allowed in this competition this year.
The punishment was a ******* slap on the wrist.
Milan might now win the Champions League after a season of cheating and match fixing. Not that I'm saying they will, but if they wanted to, what's to stop them from match fixing again? They'll look back and say we won the Champions League the next season they won't care if we fix the game.:nape:

i always had this view of this debate, who were the ones that cheated? the refs?, the coach? the owners?, or the players?, ask youself that question, but ill give you a hint, milan won everyone of those titles because of the players, milan made to the final today because of the players, one thing has nothing to do with the other really, thats the way i see it.

10 games in 33 days, with a second string defense and conceeding the first goal in 6 of them has nothing to do with fatigue? In previous two games, the forwards had to really work hard to pull themselves out of the hole the defense dug out for them, taking away a lot of energy. Milan at the same time used only like 3-4 players that played against United during the past two weekends. Resting pretty much all of its key players. The position Milan is fighting for in Serie A is so much less demanding than the one United is fighting for in EPL.

Barcelona didn't have their whole backline injuried during the last 6 weeks of the season, infact they had almost every first team player fit during that period and they didn't have to win 29 out of 38 games to win the league.

I agree that Milan played better and deserved to be in the final, but you just can't discard the fact that fatigue was one of the major factors why United played so badly at the San Siro.

like i mention before if it was the case then manchester should have set prioritys, its no surprise to me people are saying now the league was the priority all along; anyways try having points shaved off and still fighting for a position for the next CL and tell me if its not as demanding, you saying milan won deservedly and then saying the major reason was cause of manchester fatigue its like really saying it was undeservedly, i dont buy that really, tought milan lost the first leg we could really see what milan was all about and what they were trying to do i mean they played great even tought they lost; , its no coincidence gattuso played the exact same great first leg as the second one, plus its funny alot of poeple didnt mention this fatigue factor in he first leg and even before the second one. i just think milan erase manchester tacticly speaking, i mean were was ronaldo today just as an example; i might also think another big factor was the rain, it seem to really affected manchester.
anyways i would like you to see this highlights and hear what the commentators are saying; its pretty interesting stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eInw34AgcKw

Goo Milan

like i mention before if it was the case then manchester should have set prioritys, its no surprise to me people are saying now the league was the priority all along; anyways try having points shaved off and still fighting for a position for the next CL and tell me if its not as demanding, you saying milan won deservedly and then saying the major reason was cause of manchester fatigue its like really saying it was undeservedly, i dont buy that really, tought milan lost the first leg we could really see what milan was all about and what they were trying to do i mean they played great even tought they lost; , its no coincidence gattuso played the exact same great first leg as the second one, plus its funny alot of poeple didnt mention this fatigue factor in he first leg and even before the second one. i just think milan erase manchester tacticly speaking, i mean were was ronaldo today just as an example; i might also think another big factor was the rain, it seem to really affected manchester.
anyways i would like you to see this highlights and hear what the commentators are saying; its pretty interesting stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eInw34AgcKw

I don't look at it that way. United were tired, Milan weren't, Milan took advantage of that and won, therefore they deserved to win.

You are saying about setting priorities, well both teams did. Milan set their priority by starting with only Gattuso and Seedorf against Cagliari, a few days before first leg and then by starting only with Dida, Nesta, Ambrosini, Seedorf and Pirlo. They knew that they can't achieve much in Serie A, so they played their second string teams for the past two league games.
For United however, as i said before, Ferguson, Quieroz, Saha, Scholes, Giggs, Ronaldo i think and Rooney all said before the Milan games that EPL is a priority and they want to win it the most. Which is why every player except Vidic, who just came back from injury was involved in the past two league games and not just past two, more like past 10. So there is your priorities. United had their and Milan had theirs, which resulted in Milan being much fresher for the game.

As for the argument that Milan had it tough to pull back from the point deduction, they only got 8 points deducted, it would have not been enough to even put them in second place, they would still be trailing Inter by whole 20 points, even if they started with 0 from the first game.

As for the video, the commentators are pretty much saying how United had a bad tactic and weren't fired up for the game, which is exactly what i was saying in my post a few pages ago. 4-5-1 tactic does not work and never did and Fergie should have made subs earlier than 75th minute, when it was pretty much too late. And the fired up part, is all about freshness, United were tired, Milan weren't, therefore Milan were fired up, United weren't, simple.

It's 100% true that United were obviously more fatigued than Milan coming into this game, but to say being "fired up" is ALL about being fresh is obviously bull****. being fired up isn't just physical, it's also psychological.

It's 100% true that United were obviously more fatigued than Milan coming into this game, but to say being "fired up" is ALL about being fresh is obviously bull****. being fired up isn't just physical, it's also psychological.

Yes, i should have said part of it, not all about it.

just making sure :p

PS: saw this on the wall in a Man City facebook group:

"He scores with his left, He scores with his right, That boy Kaka, Makes Ronaldo look ****e!"

(H)

KAKA is the king no doubt, great display by Milan, see you in the semis 4 years from now united.

Why 4 years? Is that how long it will take for you to find a decent manager, after you sack Mourinho in 3 weeks?

what happed to the PFA player of the year tonight?

I don't look at it that way. United were tired, Milan weren't, Milan took advantage of that and won, therefore they deserved to win.

You are saying about setting priorities, well both teams did. Milan set their priority by starting with only Gattuso and Seedorf against Cagliari, a few days before first leg and then by starting only with Dida, Nesta, Ambrosini, Seedorf and Pirlo. They knew that they can't achieve much in Serie A, so they played their second string teams for the past two league games.
For United however, as i said before, Ferguson, Quieroz, Saha, Scholes, Giggs, Ronaldo i think and Rooney all said before the Milan games that EPL is a priority and they want to win it the most. Which is why every player except Vidic, who just came back from injury was involved in the past two league games and not just past two, more like past 10. So there is your priorities. United had their and Milan had theirs, which resulted in Milan being much fresher for the game.

As for the argument that Milan had it tough to pull back from the point deduction, they only got 8 points deducted, it would have not been enough to even put them in second place, they would still be trailing Inter by whole 20 points, even if they started with 0 from the first game.

As for the video, the commentators are pretty much saying how United had a bad tactic and weren't fired up for the game, which is exactly what i was saying in my post a few pages ago. 4-5-1 tactic does not work and never did and Fergie should have made subs earlier than 75th minute, when it was pretty much too late. And the fired up part, is all about freshness, United were tired, Milan weren't, therefore Milan were fired up, United weren't, simple.

i just cant agree with that, cuase if someone who watched both games they would say to you that you put things in such a simple matter ; milan had players unrested in todays game too; but by your ways of seeing things its like your saying manchester had more players unrested so in consequence manchester were tired since the start of the game. (N)
gattuso , kaka , the rain , cristiano, and the 12th man ( ancelotti ) were imo "the most important" factors to manchester demise today;
and about milan in the calcio you missed my point completly, almost everybody knew milan werent fighting for anything this season in the domestic league only the CL; but for some faith they are fighting for a CL ticket for next season, which with points shaved imo is very demanding given the standards; milans prioritys changed on this end of the season, i mean they are now fighting for 2 objectives really, how can that not be as demanding or as you like to put it taking bundles of energy from milans players too.

about the video, they also mention how milan was compuse and concentrated thuw out all the game; you can also hear how cristiano had double coverage, imo was key,
btw neither of the 3 goals had any insinuation of tiredness from manchester; the first goal was a smart pass by seedoorf and impecable finish by kaka; the second goal had 2 factors, the first was the slipery grass casue by the rain, which happen alot to manchester thruw out the game, and the second factor was seedorf beeing lucky getting that ball thruw that second defender tought it was a great finish; and the third goal was a consequence of a logical counterattack by milan meaning manchester have everyone up milans field, manchester just needed to score.

not using this as an excuse, but is it really suprising that the two teams who have nothing at all to play for in the league and in the position to rest a lot of key players at the weekend have went through? i mean when we and chelsea are pushing on 3 fronts in the final stages of the season and serie a well decided and at least a 4th place secured for ac milan and liverpool its no suprise they won out in the end given the amount of games we for example have had to play. pushing on 3 fronts with only 17 1st fit players is bound to catch up eventually,and i feel it did tonite

Thats not true because alot of teams have won the champions league and their respective leagues at the same time. Just because man utd or chelsea didnt do it then its not a good excuse.

well deserved to milan, we didn't get a chance to get going. the second goal was a killer. back to focussing on epl and fa cup now.

i just cant agree with that, cuase if someone who watched both games they would say to you that you put things in such a simple matter ; milan had players unrested in todays game too; but by your ways of seeing things its like your saying manchester had more players unrested so in consequence manchester were tired since the start of the game. (N)
Yes, that is what i'm saying. How is that not correct? Milan started with only 2 starters before the first leg trip to Old Trafford and with 5 starters before the second leg at San Siro. Kaka didn't feature in any of those two games and Gattuso featured only before the first leg. In my mind, when a player is playing, then he losses energy, but when he is not playing, he is saving energy. Is it different in your mind?


gattuso , kaka , the rain , cristiano, and the 12th man ( ancelotti ) were imo "the most important" factors to manchester demise today;
Gattuso and Kaka haven't played since Old Trafford getting an 8 day break. Ronaldo picked up a slight injury after first leg and still played for 30-35 games against Everton. Does that not explain, why Kaka and Gattuso looked so fresh, while Ronaldo looked tired?


and about milan in the calcio you missed my point completly, almost everybody knew milan werent fighting for anything this season in the domestic league only the CL; but for some faith they are fighting for a CL ticket for next season, which with points shaved imo is very demanding given the standards; milans prioritys changed on this end of the season, i mean they are now fighting for 2 objectives really, how can that not be as demanding or as you like to put it taking bundles of energy from milans players too.

If they were really all that worried about Serie A position as United was about the EPL position, would they play their second string side in the past 2 league games? A few month ago, maybe they were worried about getting a CL spot, but right now, they are not too concerned about domestic league, meaning that it is far less demanding for them. If they were fighting for 2 objectives equally, like United is fighting, then they wouldn't play their reserve team, now would they? They decided that they don't mind sacrificing points in the domestic league in order to get to the final, Manchester United cannot sacrifice a single point.




I just don't understand how you can't see the fatigue as a factor. Its as obvious as day and night. Milan had most of their team rested for a week TWICE, United had the whole team playing 2 MUST WIN games per 1 week. What's more demanding, having 1 important game or 2 very important games? Don't say that Milan's last two league games were important because its pretty obvious that they weren't.

Yes, that is what i'm saying. How is that not correct? Milan started with only 2 starters before the first leg trip to Old Trafford and with 5 starters before the second leg at San Siro. Kaka didn't feature in any of those two games and Gattuso featured only before the first leg. In my mind, when a player is playing, then he losses energy, but when he is not playing, he is saving energy. Is it different in your mind?

Gattuso and Kaka haven't played since Old Trafford getting an 8 day break. Ronaldo picked up a slight injury after first leg and still played for 30-35 games against Everton. Does that not explain, why Kaka and Gattuso looked so fresh, while Ronaldo looked tired?

If they were really all that worried about Serie A position as United was about the EPL position, would they play their second string side in the past 2 league games? A few month ago, maybe they were worried about getting a CL spot, but right now, they are not too concerned about domestic league, meaning that it is far less demanding for them. If they were fighting for 2 objectives equally, like United is fighting, then they wouldn't play their reserve team, now would they? They decided that they don't mind sacrificing points in the domestic league in order to get to the final, Manchester United cannot sacrifice a single point.




I just don't understand how you can't see the fatigue as a factor. Its as obvious as day and night. Milan had most of their team rested for a week TWICE, United had the whole team playing 2 MUST WIN games per 1 week. What's more demanding, having 1 important game or 2 very important games? Don't say that Milan's last two league games were important because its pretty obvious that they weren't.


so how much time does it take to save energy in your mind ? 1 , 2, 3 days? a week?; didnt manchester had a game with portsmouth and having 2 complete days rest before they trash roma and may i mention they had almost the exact same lineup.

sorry but i also saw the game and ronaldo didnt look tired, its a poor excuse, he got double coverage, he tried but he just couldnt it almost looked as he was scared sometimes, its too conceited to think if ronaldo had many days rested he would own the defense; ronaldo simply got outnumber and outplayed.
besides how do you know ancelotti didnt rest kaka, gattuso or seedorf to keep them away from injurys?; you could also say maybe gattuso, kaka and Co. wanted the win more , like that guy mention before, coming fired up to a game isnt only a phisical state, im just the kind of person that thinks the mind is more powerful than any phisical strenght, manchester were mentally ready for the roma game, today they werent, manchester could have won that game even with 2 days rest if they really wanted it to; they have done it before.

on the other issue if milan werent that concerned about the league why would they bring ronaldo on the second part of the season, its no coincidence mate, they knew before they bought him he couldnt play the CL; but they needed someone to help them get into the next one.

i aint denying completely fatigue could be factor on a game ; but this wasnt the case in this game imo; which brings me to quoting the last part of my last post which you fail to quote; in which i mention that in none of the 3 goals manchester indicated tiredness,the first goal was typical football, 2 great passes and a great finishing, and their were huge errors on the second and third goal, this is what i think its obvious dont know why you cant see that either.

God damn it...we were just outplayed and cudnt get going :(

Gattuso...wat a fcukin player he is !!!! MOTM imo.....we looked toothless in attack, shaky in defense and felt nervous :nape:....tired ? yes but i thought we cud have given some serious fight...afterall, its a CL semifinal ffs !

I wont take anything from milan though...they were professional enough to score at home and shut down our attack...ofcourse we played a 4-5-1 which helped them but SAF thought it might work :rolleyes:

Now, we must win the title else m gonna be gutted even more....FA cup will be good but i want the title even more now....a double will be gr8 though :p

Good luck to milan and liverpool.....may the worst team win :(

God damn it...we were just outplayed and cudnt get going :(

Gattuso...wat a fcukin player he is !!!! MOTM imo.....we looked toothless in attack, shaky in defense and felt nervous :nape:....tired ? yes but i thought we cud have given some serious fight...afterall, its a CL semifinal ffs !

I wont take anything from milan though...they were professional enough to score at home and shut down our attack...ofcourse we played a 4-5-1 which helped them but SAF thought it might work :rolleyes:

Now, we must win the title else m gonna be gutted even more....FA cup will be good but i want the title even more now....a double will be gr8 though :p

Good luck to milan and liverpool.....may the worst team win :(

this is what i was talking about in the first leg thread, those 2 goals away from milan really boost their condidence up and came to haunt manchester's in the second; its funny how almost the same thing happen to bayern against madrid; bayern tought they lost the first leg they knew those away goals were gold; ill bet anything if manchester would had win the first leg either 3 or 2 : 0 i could have see them dominating the second leg; its funny how thinking about numbers can sometimes screw someone's confidence and state of mine. lol

anyways i really think manchester are going to make the double domesticly; i fell its like a reckoning for them getting eliminated from the CL and somebody needs to pay lol; good luck to you guys.

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what happed to the PFA player of the year tonight?

he was playing in a champion's league semi final and graciously accepted defeat
unlike a certain twat who still maons that his team in blue underwears was the best team on the planet

thats why Fergie is blaming the Premier League for being knocked out by Milan.

I'll rooting for Liverpool in the final. I don't want to take away credit from Milan's great performance today, but it's unfair that Milan were allowed in the CL from the first place and let's not forget that Bayern were robbed.


haha what? :D

We were piss poor. Hope milan win the cup. fully deserved.

Anyway...we never get the chance to field our strongest 11 against milan.

Oh well, league/cup double will do :(

Come on Milan, trash those scouse ****s!

so how much time does it take to save energy in your mind ? 1 , 2, 3 days? a week?; didnt manchester had a game with portsmouth and having 2 complete days rest before they trash roma and may i mention they had almost the exact same lineup.

sorry but i also saw the game and ronaldo didnt look tired, its a poor excuse, he got double coverage, he tried but he just couldnt it almost looked as he was scared sometimes, its too conceited to think if ronaldo had many days rested he would own the defense; ronaldo simply got outnumber and outplayed.
besides how do you know ancelotti didnt rest kaka, gattuso or seedorf to keep them away from injurys?; you could also say maybe gattuso, kaka and Co. wanted the win more , like that guy mention before, coming fired up to a game isnt only a phisical state, im just the kind of person that thinks the mind is more powerful than any phisical strenght, manchester were mentally ready for the roma game, today they werent, manchester could have won that game even with 2 days rest if they really wanted it to; they have done it before.

on the other issue if milan werent that concerned about the league why would they bring ronaldo on the second part of the season, its no coincidence mate, they knew before they bought him he couldnt play the CL; but they needed someone to help them get into the next one.

i aint denying completely fatigue could be factor on a game ; but this wasnt the case in this game imo; which brings me to quoting the last part of my last post which you fail to quote; in which i mention that in none of the 3 goals manchester indicated tiredness,the first goal was typical football, 2 great passes and a great finishing, and their were huge errors on the second and third goal, this is what i think its obvious dont know why you cant see that either.

Oh, i can see that there were errors on all the goals and not much of tiredness because Vidic didn't cover Kaka on the first one, miskicked his clearance on the second one and Vidic wasn't tired, he wasn't match fit. Infact the United defense wasn't really tired because they are bench players, they have been resting the whole season, while players like Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes, Rooney and Carrick have been playing 2 games a week for over 2 month now. Yes, United had only 2 days rest before they beat Roma, but that was in England, they beat Milan in England as well. But that was Roma, a team full of players that never been to the quater finals of the CL. All these games add up. You bring Porstmouth in the example, United played Roma with 10 players for an hour, while Porstmouth had a nice long 7 day rest. United were really tired after a long game and a long flight, Pompey was very fresh playing at home. Pompey won because they had more energy and not because they are a better team.


Again about Serie A, Ronaldo wasn't bought 2 weeks ago, now was he? So how is that relevant to the fact that Milan played their reserve team in the last two league games? I don't know how it is in the rest of europe, but in England, when you rest more than half your team, it means that you don't mind losing the game to get your players rested. If Milan can afford to rest 7-8 players for a game, then there is no way that their games are as demanding as United ones. Milan can't move up any further in the standings, no matter if they win or lose, but if United slip up at least a little bit, then all season's hard work will be gone in a second. Milan played with their second team, while United had to comeback from a 2-0 down in a must-win game. Same demands? Obviously not.


I'm not saying that fatigue was the only reason, why Milan won, i wouldn't be saying that they deserved to win otherwise, but it was one of the biggest factors in this game. If you don't see it, after i explain it in the simplest ways possible, then you'll never see it or just always chose to ignore it. If you don't want to believe that resting more than half the team means that they will be fresh, then there is nothing i can do because its the most obvious thing in football. The players that were tired the most are all the attacking players that have been playing 2 games per week for almost 10 weeks in a row. If your attacking players are tired, then how can 1. protect the defense well for 90 minutes (like Gattuso did), 2. run around with the ball, pegging the other team as close to the net as possible? Tired feet can't do that. If you didn't see Ronaldo being tired, then you must not be watching him a lot because his movement off the ball and on the ball was totally different from what it was a few weeks ago. You think he is scared? Scared of what or who? He played in EURO final and World Cup semifinal, single-handedly carring his country there, he has been an instrumental figure this season in EPL a league where defenders kick you much more than in Italy. What was he supposed to be scared of? He was exhausted from all the games played not scared.



If you don't see such an obvious thing as fatigue to why United couldn't mount a decent attack or help the defense out, then you never will. I can't explain it any longer, its there, it was a big factore, the facts are totally there. If you still chose to no acknowledge it and ignore instead, then whatever its your choice, i don't want to think about this game any longer. NOT implying that you don't know anything, but any person that knows something about football, would easily see, how much of a factor fatigue was in this game.

haha what? :D

Nothing. I was just so pissed off yesterday.

Cheers and good luck :p

Thank you Manchester Utd. and Chelsea for showing great football. Both showed they are great teams, but Milan and Liverpool were simply better. I don't think the final will be as entertaining as the one from Istanbul, but it definitely will be a great game. Congrats! (Y)

thats why Fergie is blaming the Premier League for being knocked out by Milan.

he hasnt been specific in blaming them for BEING KNOCKED OUT.
he has criticised the schedule..rightly so.
and he has even prasied milan for their marvelous performance...

btw...why am i wsting time with atwat like you?
go hidde urself in a laundry basket...follor ur manager's ethics

Oh, i can see that there were errors on all the goals and not much of tiredness because Vidic didn't cover Kaka on the first one, miskicked his clearance on the second one and Vidic wasn't tired, he wasn't match fit. Infact the United defense wasn't really tired because they are bench players, they have been resting the whole season, while players like Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes, Rooney and Carrick have been playing 2 games a week for over 2 month now. Yes, United had only 2 days rest before they beat Roma, but that was in England, they beat Milan in England as well. But that was Roma, a team full of players that never been to the quater finals of the CL. All these games add up. You bring Porstmouth in the example, United played Roma with 10 players for an hour, while Porstmouth had a nice long 7 day rest. United were really tired after a long game and a long flight, Pompey was very fresh playing at home. Pompey won because they had more energy and not because they are a better team.


Again about Serie A, Ronaldo wasn't bought 2 weeks ago, now was he? So how is that relevant to the fact that Milan played their reserve team in the last two league games? I don't know how it is in the rest of europe, but in England, when you rest more than half your team, it means that you don't mind losing the game to get your players rested. If Milan can afford to rest 7-8 players for a game, then there is no way that their games are as demanding as United ones. Milan can't move up any further in the standings, no matter if they win or lose, but if United slip up at least a little bit, then all season's hard work will be gone in a second. Milan played with their second team, while United had to comeback from a 2-0 down in a must-win game. Same demands? Obviously not.


I'm not saying that fatigue was the only reason, why Milan won, i wouldn't be saying that they deserved to win otherwise, but it was one of the biggest factors in this game. If you don't see it, after i explain it in the simplest ways possible, then you'll never see it or just always chose to ignore it. If you don't want to believe that resting more than half the team means that they will be fresh, then there is nothing i can do because its the most obvious thing in football. The players that were tired the most are all the attacking players that have been playing 2 games per week for almost 10 weeks in a row. If your attacking players are tired, then how can 1. protect the defense well for 90 minutes (like Gattuso did), 2. run around with the ball, pegging the other team as close to the net as possible? Tired feet can't do that. If you didn't see Ronaldo being tired, then you must not be watching him a lot because his movement off the ball and on the ball was totally different from what it was a few weeks ago. You think he is scared? Scared of what or who? He played in EURO final and World Cup semifinal, single-handedly carring his country there, he has been an instrumental figure this season in EPL a league where defenders kick you much more than in Italy. What was he supposed to be scared of? He was exhausted from all the games played not scared.



If you don't see such an obvious thing as fatigue to why United couldn't mount a decent attack or help the defense out, then you never will. I can't explain it any longer, its there, it was a big factore, the facts are totally there. If you still chose to no acknowledge it and ignore instead, then whatever its your choice, i don't want to think about this game any longer. NOT implying that you don't know anything, but any person that knows something about football, would easily see, how much of a factor fatigue was in this game.

well you know what iam tired about? its talking about the issue really; iam not tryin to ingnore nothing; i now what saw; once again you missed my point about the portsmouth argument; i wasnt trying to say why manchester that lost that game against them; i was trying to state if fatigue is a huge factor in your mind why did they trash roma with only 2 days rest; you already mention ist been 2 months playing 2 games in a week. that game wasnt that long ago really;
on the other issue milan already knew when they brought ronaldo they had a chance fighting for a spot to the next CL ; do you really think milan would sit back and leave for faith, i dont think you know how important is to milan qualifyin for the next CL; and more when they have a real chance,
about ronaldo he did looked scared , its like he didnt knew what to do with the ball anymore, you saying every player was tired its like dismissing every effort milan did yesterday any way you slice it ; i just dont see it that way and thats my original point; i can also respect you opinion mate , but you are almost the only one here that thinks fatigue was the major factor of manchester demise; you saying it doesnt means its true really so dont call it as facts; cause th only real fact is manchester could won that game if they really wanted to; there were alot of other major factors going on this game and think you fail or dont give them much as importance.; their also facts that state fatigue hasnt affect manchester.

lets just leave that you think fatigue was the major factor and i dont :)

Definitely, a nice game... Well'see what the final holds for us!

well you know what iam tired about? its talking about the issue really; iam not tryin to ingnore nothing; i now what saw; once again you missed my point about the portsmouth argument; i wasnt trying to say why manchester that lost that game against them; i was trying to state if fatigue is a huge factor in your mind why did they trash roma with only 2 days rest; you already mention ist been 2 months playing 2 games in a week. that game wasnt that long ago really;
on the other issue milan already knew when they brought ronaldo they had a chance fighting for a spot to the next CL ; do you really think milan would sit back and leave for faith, i dont think you know how important is to milan qualifyin for the next CL; and more when they have a real chance,
about ronaldo he did looked scared , its like he didnt knew what to do with the ball anymore, you saying every player was tired its like dismissing every effort milan did yesterday any way you slice it ; i just dont see it that way and thats my original point; i can also respect you opinion mate , but you are almost the only one here that thinks fatigue was the major factor of manchester demise; you saying it doesnt means its true really so dont call it as facts; cause th only real fact is manchester could won that game if they really wanted to; there were alot of other major factors going on this game and think you fail or dont give them much as importance.; their also facts that state fatigue hasnt affect manchester.

lets just leave that you think fatigue was the major factor and i dont :)

aight

lmao I'm loving ur comments... so creative

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hahahahahaaa

yes I feel so f*cking good

its so good to see you Man U fans so pissed off

hope u lose the rest of the EPL games as well so the Russians win for the 3rd time in a row

If refer to me then I'm not angry about the result I just think ur a d*ck

Let my give my 2 cents here..... Manchester was tired... YES.... that Milan ONLY high priority after beating B.M. was the CL...YES.... Now, what do you want more the CL or the FA cup ???? Other thing, is not like you guys were tied with Chelsea you had or have points ahead of them to afford for ONE game, to rest some of the important players. In fact, against Everton Ronaldo was on the becnh and came up as a sub. So he was being rested it. What ManU lack is depth to plug some players that can actually give you a win or a tie in competitions like the FA or a single game in the EPL.

I know that for all the teams, and this is a fact the first priority is always the domestic league and as the season goes on, then you may change objectives. Now, there was and there isn't anything secure on a CL spot for next season, we had to over come 8 points, and the fact that Lazio got all of their points back plus the normal teams adding points while we tried to get to 0 made it more difficult and the fact that you HAVE TO win almost every game to have a chance of getting that 4th place also demanded more than 100% from their players.

It is well known that if a team like Milan don't qualify for the CL, not only the lost of millions of euros, but the fact that big name players may not come and some go from our team was a fact, so there is also pressure there for Milan to have a great season, considering the problems at the start of the season, at least in Italy.

Now, that is more important to secure at least one title (like the EPL) that none, is very true. But you could have afford one game with a second team IMO, i mean as well as in Italy some EPL opponents are just not that good, not even for a second team of a team like ManU.

But more than fatigue or tactics, i think the real problem was your defence..... 2 away goals and 3 goals, when you knew you can't gave then a goal ???? Rooney proved to be dangerous in England, he scored and in the second leg we learned the lesson, but with a better defence who knows, because it wasn't like Inzaghi was a threat or even Gilardino in the first leg.

Let my give my 2 cents here..... Manchester was tired... YES.... that Milan ONLY high priority after beating B.M. was the CL...YES.... Now, what do you want more the CL or the FA cup ???? Other thing, is not like you guys were tied with Chelsea you had or have points ahead of them to afford for ONE game, to rest some of the important players. In fact, against Everton Ronaldo was on the becnh and came up as a sub. So he was being rested it. What ManU lack is depth to plug some players that can actually give you a win or a tie in competitions like the FA or a single game in the EPL.

I know that for all the teams, and this is a fact the first priority is always the domestic league and as the season goes on, then you may change objectives. Now, there was and there isn't anything secure on a CL spot for next season, we had to over come 8 points, and the fact that Lazio got all of their points back plus the normal teams adding points while we tried to get to 0 made it more difficult and the fact that you HAVE TO win almost every game to have a chance of getting that 4th place also demanded more than 100% from their players.

It is well known that if a team like Milan don't qualify for the CL, not only the lost of millions of euros, but the fact that big name players may not come and some go from our team was a fact, so there is also pressure there for Milan to have a great season, considering the problems at the start of the season, at least in Italy.

Now, that is more important to secure at least one title (like the EPL) that none, is very true. But you could have afford one game with a second team IMO, i mean as well as in Italy some EPL opponents are just not that good, not even for a second team of a team like ManU.

But more than fatigue or tactics, i think the real problem was your defence..... 2 away goals and 3 goals, when you knew you can't gave then a goal ???? Rooney proved to be dangerous in England, he scored and in the second leg we learned the lesson, but with a better defence who knows, because it wasn't like Inzaghi was a threat or even Gilardino in the first leg.

i agree this was i was talking about before; i mean milan prioritys changed after the second half of the season; i mean having 8 points shaved off and still having a real chance to qualify for the next CL , i mean its a thing to reckon, i dont think milan would just forget about the domestic league, milan have a diferent view about the CL than anybody else on the calcio; its their tournament.
my opinion about the game was for me the tactics that ancelotti apply overcame manchester; but the bottom line is that those 3 goals those 2 huge errors by the defence are the reason milan is the final.

he hasnt been specific in blaming them for BEING KNOCKED OUT.
he has criticised the schedule..rightly so.
and he has even prasied milan for their marvelous performance...

btw...why am i wsting time with atwat like you?
go hidde urself in a laundry basket...follor ur manager's ethics

stop wasting time on me and spend time where its needed, your spelling is awful.

stop wasting time on me and spend time where its needed, your spelling is awful.


they're a typo

and der are loads of other stuff we need to do...
unlike you..observing obi mikel's d*ck 24x7

Its no big secret after Man U's starting 11 are team is little to be desired. Poor squad rotation, playing in 3 major comptetions that we dont want to lose it was a matter of time before we lost something. Lets be frank i'm amazed we held out this long. Remember the injury trouble last season, nightmare.

Were seriosly lacking holding midfeild also, everyone know the games won at midfeild I think thats why milan dominate's and it showed in that last game.

Anyway great game, good luck to them.

I can only hope buying in a few new players over the summer we can have a crack in it next season. They were even talking about our poor squad during that everton match. At that point we were losing and chelsea winning, They were saying if you look who chelsea have on the bench then compare it with united.

I think we done really well to get this far, this is the best we have done since 99, 8 years ago :o. Its glad to know we might get reconzied this year for how well we done rather then past success's & history. Things can only get better considering our squad, new signings, players on loan coming back. We have quite the young squad.

One thing that worries me when we have to replace scholes, giggs, nev and co that will certainly hit the squad.

Anyway going off topic, milan were clearly the better team on the day, we will be gunning for you next season to get our revenge!! :D

We have quite the young squad.

True... Its a good thing, but it may reflect negatively. Sometimes experience does count. And most of the young players are still slightly short of it.

Hopwever, you can only improve. Good luck, may you win this season and offer a good challange for the next.

Win what?

The CL ofcourse. Duh (H)














Vimix.

they're a typo

and der are loads of other stuff we need to do...
unlike you..observing obi mikel's d*ck 24x7

so every post you have made since i became a member here include typos? good luck.

The CL ofcourse. Duh (H)


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Adedawson is a United fan and he was talking about United. Sorry, i'm just not sure if your were kinda like sarcastic there/having a laugh or you were serious. ;)

Adedawson is a United fan and he was talking about United. Sorry, i'm just not sure if your were kinda like sarcastic there/having a laugh or you were serious. ;)

Nah, I'm never sarcastic about these things. To speak of it, they're a great team. But they need to develop. Milan is composed of weel established experienced players, who are in their prime (at least most of them i think).

Nah, I'm never sarcastic about these things. To speak of it, they're a great team. But they need to develop. Milan is composed of weel established experienced players, who are in their prime (at least most of them i think).
An Average age of 30 and an average age of 34 for the defense, that isnt considered prime, is it?

yes it is. Without Maldini/Cafu/Costacurta starting our average age drops down like 5 years :p

Nah, I'm never sarcastic about these things. To speak of it, they're a great team. But they need to develop. Milan is composed of weel established experienced players, who are in their prime (at least most of them i think).

No, man. I still don't understand why you said:
"Good luck, may you win this season and offer a good challange for the next."
to adedawson, he is a United fan. Were you talking about the EPL?