KingPaulV - I have to agree with you,I wouldn't go so far to say that he's luring Madrid bu t you're right he's the one that could've ended it. I for one am really sick of this story, hopefully he really will say where he's gonna be next year (i hope he stays) in a few days cause i don't want to hear this whole summer.

People, can we just stop talking about Ronaldo, Madrid etc... in this thread?
It's really annoying. Go and open up a thread in the Soccer Forum if you need to discuss this any further.
What tours are we doing this year? I can't remember.
Has there been any more news on which youngsters are staying?

South Africa this year, Juventus at OT and Aberdeen up there. That's all I know so far.

No news on the youngsters, but Hull are said to be working on a deal for Campbell. I expect Eagles to go though, he's hit a block in his development, he hasn't made the next step up.

Also those Brazillian twins will join us this year as well.

Latest rumour is United are leading the chase for Cardiff's Aaron Ramsey because they'll loan him back for a season - Also we're apparently in for Karim Benzema of Lyon (class player)

Hopefully the benzema story is true...

Also, Spurs seem to be resigned to the fact that Berbatov is moving on - could United be his destination?

Interesting article about "you know who and the Spanish club" Teamtalk think United could get Casillas. (Which would be awesome)

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1778_3640666,00.html


On the same idea, who should Fergie give the #7 to? IMO Ronaldo really doesn't deserve to wear it after this show of non loyalty. The number seven has been held by United's true legends such as Best, Robson, Cantona and yes, even Beckham.

My pick would be Wazza, he'll be our spiritual leader in the same way Cantona was. I wonder also if with Ronaldo gone (if/when) Wayne will get more of the ball during games.

Of course Nani would be a good choice too - Ronaldo's heir apparent.

Lol, that article was funny...listen, Calderon might be "a bloke who would sell his own Grandma..." but he is not a bloke who would like to get stoned in the streets of Madrid, three players currently in the Madrid Roster will never be sold and as a matter of fact have lifetime contracts....Raul, Guti and Casillas....also San Iker is not the second best in the world He proved this season he IS the best...anyway that wont happen so....yeah

Good news reported by BBC website;

Patrice Evra has agreed a new four-year contract at Manchester United worth £55,000 a week. (Daily Mail, 1312 BST)

Great if it's true - Milan were hovering apparently.

now there is this rubbish talks of robinho-ronaldo swap deal.

now there is this rubbish talks of robinho-ronaldo swap deal.

Marca strikes again!

Lol, that article was funny...listen, Calderon might be "a bloke who would sell his own Grandma..." but he is not a bloke who would like to get stoned in the streets of Madrid, three players currently in the Madrid Roster will never be sold and as a matter of fact have lifetime contracts....Raul, Guti and Casillas....also San Iker is not the second best in the world He proved this season he IS the best...anyway that wont happen so....yeah

Casillas is the best. Unlike Cech, Buffon, Casillas has had a very mediocre defensive line for most of his career, if not, all of his career. he alone has saved tons of points for us that has translated into titles , including that famous CL title! Put Buffon or Cech when we had the crap defenders (Pavon, etc.) and lets see.

Good news reported by BBC website;

Patrice Evra has agreed a new four-year contract at Manchester United worth £55,000 a week. (Daily Mail, 1312 BST)

Great if it's true - Milan were hovering apparently.

That's good news! Evra is a stud!

When Evra came to United, in his first interview he said that he "will sweat blood for Manchester United" and you bet he did.

amazing player, got to be one of the best left backs in Europe? The best?

One of the best certainly, and I thought Gabby Heinze would be hard to replace!

We've made a bid for Aaron Ramsey of Cardiff ;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/cardiff_city/7433277.stm

eighteenfive.blogspot.com

Comedy gold reading them. :D

Good news btw, Ramsey is coming to us.

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={B4CEE8FA-9A47-47BC-B069-3F7A2F35DB70}&newsid=6610831

Great news, I assume we'll still be loaning him back to Cardiff for the first year, but if he signs I wonder if United will take him on the tour this summer.

BTW Big interview with Sir Alex tonight on SkySports at 8pm. He talks about his future, the squad and the Cristiano situation among other things.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3643221,00.html

Also did you know United's old kit man Norman Davies died yesterday, he was kit man right up until the 1990's - MUTV announced his passing last night. A true red to the core he was.


Update on Ramsey:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11688_3644768,00.html


Bids from United, Liverpool and Arsenal have been recieved and two clubs (Us and one other) have been granted permission to talk to him. United are still favourites to get him though.

What was said at 8pm... i forgot to watch it?

He's pretty much going to you guys for sure....

What was said at 8pm... i forgot to watch it?

They said MUFC is closing down and moving to compete in the Malaysian league (closer to fan base etc.) and the Glazers are turning the stadium into a property development. Sorry to break the news, always sad when a club gets closed down and/ or moves, but dems da breaks of modern football fandom I guess.

Don;t worry though, as United fans it shouldn't be too difficult for you guys to move your support to Chelsea or Arsenal or whoever looks like winning something next season.

Don;t worry though, as United fans it shouldn't be too difficult for you guys to move your support to Chelsea or Arsenal or whoever looks like winning something next season.

I shouldn't expect any new fans over at the Council house then (Y) By the way we were actually winning a European final this year as opposed to holding one.

Cristiano Ronaldo will make the same mistake as Nicolas Anelka if he leaves for Real Madrid, thats my 2 cents. I just don't see him doing well there because of a number of factors. In fact, I think Real Madrid would implode if Ronaldo signs for them though. I just don't understand why Ronnie won't commit to a club that has been successful for the last 2 years and won him every possible medal he could have achieved in England (2 Community Shields, 1 League Cup, 1 FA Cup, 2 League Titles and 1 CL Title). He is with a club that dearly loves him but no player is bigger than the club. If we somehow have to reluctantly sell him to Real Madrid, I hope we get Robben and Ramos in exchange.

If we somehow have to reluctantly sell him to Real Madrid, I hope we get Robben and Ramos in exchange.

Robben isn't as great as people thought he'd be - Personally I'd love Wesley Sneijder (sp) as part ex - His ability with a dead ball is Beckhamesque. I think Frank Ribery of Bayern Munich would be a good addition if His Lordship leaves.

Talking of Real Players I'd love to see in red: If we could somehow get Casillas (Unlikely) that would be excellent.

Cristiano Ronaldo will make the same mistake as Nicolas Anelka if he leaves for Real Madrid, thats my 2 cents. I just don't see him doing well there because of a number of factors. In fact, I think Real Madrid would implode if Ronaldo signs for them though. I just don't understand why Ronnie won't commit to a club that has been successful for the last 2 years and won him every possible medal he could have achieved in England (2 Community Shields, 1 League Cup, 1 FA Cup, 2 League Titles and 1 CL Title). He is with a club that dearly loves him but no player is bigger than the club. If we somehow have to reluctantly sell him to Real Madrid, I hope we get Robben and Ramos in exchange.

The fact that you guys have won everything could go against you, he might want a new challenge

The fact that you guys have won everything could go against you, he might want a new challenge

I was thinking the same.

Robben for Ronaldo would be like for like on the diving board.

nah, robben is more graceful ;)

(H) http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jun/05/manchesterunited.realmadrid

Get rid of the ungrateful bastard. Get Robinho and Ramos in the deal.

why do I have this same bitter taste of betrayal in my mouth that I had when heinze left? It's not difficult: show some loyalty and thankfulness to the people who put their faith in you even when others questioned the decision. At least see out your damn contract. I'm probably never gonna forgive the little prick for this.

ffs, what has he left to win in England? If it were me, and I had already won all that **** at such a young age, why not add to the medal haul in a different place, with new challenges? It is not like he is moving to Liverpool, he is moving to a place where you will only play his team twice a year. I don't actually think he owes you lot anything now, 42 goals, two league titles, a champions league etc. its not like the whole future of the club rests on his presence... I thought being a football supporter was about supporting the club, not the celebrities... or it it a sad indictment of our time that football fans have become prone to such superficial things?Are people really more enamoured by the name on the back of their replica kit than the badge on the front? It won;t be long before people start supporting teams based on who their sponsor is...

i will take stupid money for Ronnie, if Real want to splash stupid cash to get the best player in the world United will take it, they have done it before. Ronnie needs to be careful how he approaches this, SAF has no issues letting someone sit on the bench for half a season to teach them a lesson and still get a sweet deal in the end.

the man could live for another 100 years and his next 10 years are when he is going to earn the majority of what he will live on for the remainder of his life after football. if he wants some degree of privacy after he retires from the game and doesnt want to do TV and stuff. get what you can when you can

I seem to remember certain teams not qualifying for Europe that have some top quality talent. just think of the players we could buy with stupid money at our disposal.

Manchester United is a team, and will always be greater than the sum of its parts. and parts are replaceable.

ffs, what has he left to win in England? If it were me, and I had already won all that **** at such a young age, why not add to the medal haul in a different place, with new challenges? It is not like he is moving to Liverpool, he is moving to a place where you will only play his team twice a year. I don't actually think he owes you lot anything now, 42 goals, two league titles, a champions league etc. its not like the whole future of the club rests on his presence... I thought being a football supporter was about supporting the club, not the celebrities... or it it a sad indictment of our time that football fans have become prone to such superficial things?Are people really more enamoured by the name on the back of their replica kit than the badge on the front? It won;t be long before people start supporting teams based on who their sponsor is...
I actually agree with alot of what you're saying, i'm really leaning towards Ronaldo going being a good thing. In his situation i'd probably be thinking the same thing; why stay when theres nothing else to win?. The reason i called him ungrateful is that (providing what was quoted is completely true and not misinterpreted) he's basically turning his back on the club that has made him into the player he is now. Seems to me like a lack of respect for what the club has done for him.

I'd be pretty happy to see him go now really, Robinho as part of the deal would be a bonus. I think he's got the right attitude to be able to adapt to the Prem and create a spark for us which we'd possibly lack without CR.

Just wait another 2-3 years for exactly the same thing to happen to Nani. Maybe Anderson too.

well if you end up getting some ridiculous record transfer fee for him, then I would think that the return on 'making him the player he is' will be enough to call it even... its not like he would be leaving on a free or anything, the investment the club has made in him comes back in the form of the transfer fee and everyone can call it quits.

i will take stupid money for Ronnie, if Real want to splash stupid cash to get the best player in the world United will take it, they have done it before. Ronnie needs to be careful how he approaches this, SAF has no issues letting someone sit on the bench for half a season to teach them a lesson and still get a sweet deal in the end.

I seem to remember certain teams not qualifying for Europe that have some top quality talent. just think of the players we could buy with stupid money at our disposal.

Manchester United is a team, and will always be greater than the sum of its parts. and parts are replaceable.

The point is we need to know one way or the other, before the replacements we're considering get snapped up, Quaresma and Moutinho for example.

MUTV Today had another phone in show and mentioned several reports originating from a Brazilian website that claimed they'd interviewed Ronaldo
LINK http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,2483_3654186,00.html

It was also suggested that United may attempt to contact Ronaldo in the next couple of days to establish what's going on.

Anyway, I have created a thread to discuss this issue because several United supporters are fed up of it dominating the club thread - It's in the "soccer talk" section. http://soccergaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154119


In other talk, if you called the shots - who would line up in your Man Utd 2008 XI (realistic targets - not Football Manager ones!)

GK: Edwin
LB: Patrice Evra
CB: Rio Ferdinand
CB: Nemanja Vidic
RB: Gary Neville
RW: David Bentley (I'm giving up on CR) Or Sneijder.
CM: Anderson (Scholes in the latter part as sub)
CM: Michael Carrick
LW: Nani (Bring Giggs on as sub)
FW: Rooney
FW: Tevez

Get rid of the ungrateful bastard. Get Robinho and Ramos in the deal.

God I hope not! IMO, Ronaldo is the best player in the world but Robinho and Ramos? I mean, we're talking about one of the best, if not, the best RB in the game and a possible World player of the year candidate soon! No way! Don't do it Calderon! We are fine and do not need Ronaldo

i will take stupid money for Ronnie, if Real want to splash stupid cash to get the best player in the world United will take it, they have done it before. Ronnie needs to be careful how he approaches this, SAF has no issues letting someone sit on the bench for half a season to teach them a lesson and still get a sweet deal in the end.

the man could live for another 100 years and his next 10 years are when he is going to earn the majority of what he will live on for the remainder of his life after football. if he wants some degree of privacy after he retires from the game and doesnt want to do TV and stuff. get what you can when you can

I seem to remember certain teams not qualifying for Europe that have some top quality talent. just think of the players we could buy with stupid money at our disposal.

Manchester United is a team, and will always be greater than the sum of its parts. and parts are replaceable.

One hand washes the other. United signed him, nurtured him and made him the footballer he is today. In return, he was a very very key reason to all the titles won their during his stay. That's it! What more does he owe you??? I understand the whole contract issue and thats a problem every club deal with since the tables turned years ago. Now the player holds all the power. If he wants to go, whats the sense of keeping him where he doesn't want to be? Why would you wanna force someone? Its either yours or not. Let it free if he returns it was meant to be.

Personally, I think Robinho + Ramos for him = bad move for us. Very bad!

Y'know there is a lot of talk about Ronaldinho over at the Council house, I wonder if maybe United could take a gamble on him, if anyone can get him refocussed it's Sir Alex. Imagine what Ronaldinho at full flow would bring to United.

well if you end up getting some ridiculous record transfer fee for him, then I would think that the return on 'making him the player he is' will be enough to call it even... its not like he would be leaving on a free or anything, the investment the club has made in him comes back in the form of the transfer fee and everyone can call it quits.

Well put. And actually, the investment already paid off in the form of titles! Thats why you want players. Players that can win you titles. Deal done! Time to move on! He doesnt owe anyone anything!

Y'know there is a lot of talk about Ronaldinho over at the Council house, I wonder if maybe United could take a gamble on him, if anyone can get him refocussed it's Sir Alex. Imagine what Ronaldinho at full flow would bring to United.

The guy is a phenomenal player, no question. Something went wrong at Barca. Maybe his being content with his status, achievements and all the status getting to his head? Not sure exactly but if he can get back on track, he'd be deadly for you guys

The guy is a phenomenal player, no question. Something went wrong at Barca. Maybe his being content with his status, achievements and all the status getting to his head? Not sure exactly but if he can get back on track, he'd be deadly for you guys

That's what I was thinking, no one handles big players better than Fergie - Ronaldinho would find it hard to resist if United entered the bidding. Man Utd are a young squad who are the reigning European and Premiership champions and are a guarantee of UCL football each season.

Our next #7? I think it'd work.

Y'know there is a lot of talk about Ronaldinho over at the Council house, I wonder if maybe United could take a gamble on him, if anyone can get him refocussed it's Sir Alex. Imagine what Ronaldinho at full flow would bring to United.
That is a VERY interesting point. I'd never actually considered it. It was obvious how bummed out SAF was to not be able to get 'dinho before he joined Barca, if Ronaldo does go i'd love to see SAF go for him.

Ronaldinho on form and focussed playing for United would be phenomenal.

That's what I was thinking, no one handles big players better than Fergie - Ronaldinho would find it hard to resist if United entered the bidding. Man Utd are a young squad who are the reigning European and Premiership champions and are a guarantee of UCL football each season.

Our next #7? I think it'd work.

I agree. Supposedly Milan want him. One thing for sure is he wont play at Barca. Theyl be having clean house action the whole summer. I know Deco, and Etoo are also up for grabs. Thats one club that has gone to sh!t real fast. As usual.

That is a VERY interesting point. I'd never actually considered it. It was obvious how bummed out SAF was to not be able to get 'dinho before he joined Barca, if Ronaldo does go i'd love to see SAF go for him.

Ronaldinho on form and focussed playing for United would be phenomenal.

Oh yes it would. Imagine a fully fit Ronaldinho pulling the strings with the number seven on his back (or ten - Rooney could take 7) We'd be unstoppable.

Also someone on MUTV posed a good question, overall if Ronaldo goes would certain players (i.e Wayne Rooney) benefit because they'd get more of the ball themselves (Ronaldo always ran at players himself as a first option) Could the overwhelming presence of Ronaldo in a match actually alter the effectiveness of his team-mates?

Remember we have phenomenal players in our squad like Rooney and Tevez who are capable of turning a game themselves.

what we'd miss without Ronaldo is the flair. Rooney and Tevez are fantastic players in their own right, but Ronaldo has always added something extra, maybe its just pure talent and skill, but just that inept ability to do the right thing at the right time. I think Nani could start to have that kind of influence at United, but it's going to take a good couple of seasons for that at least i think.

Oh yes it would. Imagine a fully fit Ronaldinho pulling the strings with the number seven on his back (or ten - Rooney could take 7) We'd be unstoppable.

Also someone on MUTV posed a good question, overall if Ronaldo goes would certain players (i.e Wayne Rooney) benefit because they'd get more of the ball themselves (Ronaldo always ran at players himself as a first option) Could the overwhelming presence of Ronaldo in a match actually alter the effectiveness of his team-mates?

Remember we have phenomenal players in our squad like Rooney and Tevez who are capable of turning a game themselves.

Don't know why, but I am sick of hearing "The club is more important...,we let go players and rebuilt...we have great players...". No! face it, without Ronaldo you guys would not have won all the titles you have won! How many huge goals has he scored? How much space does he open up for everyone else? Sorry, but credit is due where it's due. Not saying you will fall apart w/o him but it would be a much different Utd. Now all of asudden, everyone is lookin at the positive things if he leaves! C'mon!

I agree with both of you really, obviously Ronaldo has been incredible for us. Especially this season. But to say that without him we wouldn't have won the league is going a bit too far. As mentioned before, without Ronaldo there, there is more than enough quality in our team to influence a game. And without Ronaldo there, the likes of Tevez and Rooney etc. could benefit.

I actually think you guys are overreacting in trashing Ronaldo just yet, but it's your team, I don't really care :D

I agree with both of you really, obviously Ronaldo has been incredible for us. Especially this season. But to say that without him we wouldn't have won the league is going a bit too far. As mentioned before, without Ronaldo there, there is more than enough quality in our team to influence a game. And without Ronaldo there, the likes of Tevez and Rooney etc. could benefit.


No question you have a solid team but c'mon! C'mon! I mean, if his being there doesn't matter why all the fuss/ Why Fergie talking to him, why the jabs at us (which by the way are uncalled for). Like Ive said before, the problem is between you and ronaldo, not us. If he dreams of playing for us thats his dream. You cant blame us! C'mon now! If a better bigger company offered you a job, with more money involved, better lifestyle, climate, etc. what would you do?

Now, add up all of Ronaldos games, key moments, it would = leading you to the title. He's ahuge reason why youve won the titles you have. He brings more than flair and you know it.

Now, add up all of Ronaldos games, key moments, it would = leading you to the title. He's ahuge reason why youve won the titles you have. He brings more than flair and you know it.

Not trying to belittle what he did, but if his heart isn't in United then we have to face the fact that we move on. Legends better than Ronaldo have gone and United continues. There was a Manchester United before Ronaldo and there damn sure will be one after Ronaldo.

Y'know I hope and pray that he comes out and says all these reports are rubbish and he's totally committed to United and goes on and has seasons like this one. But the fact is I feel he has gone too long without addressing this issue definitively one way or the other. Therefore we must steel ourselves to look at life without him.

There are negatives to him leaving - of course. But there are positives in every situation and we must look at how United can continue.

That is why no player will ever be greater or bigger than Manchester United.

ffs, what has he left to win in England? If it were me, and I had already won all that **** at such a young age, why not add to the medal haul in a different place, with new challenges? It is not like he is moving to Liverpool, he is moving to a place where you will only play his team twice a year. I don't actually think he owes you lot anything now, 42 goals, two league titles, a champions league etc. its not like the whole future of the club rests on his presence... I thought being a football supporter was about supporting the club, not the celebrities... or it it a sad indictment of our time that football fans have become prone to such superficial things?Are people really more enamoured by the name on the back of their replica kit than the badge on the front? It won;t be long before people start supporting teams based on who their sponsor is...

I think this is the first time i have ever read a senseble post from you on footballing matters.


If somebody asked me, would i want United to sign this 17 year old kid for 12 million pounds and win an FA Cup, Carling Cup, 2 League titles and a CL title in 5 years and then sell him off to Real, maybe Barca, for 80 million pounds, i would say ABSOLUTELY! He has done superbly for this team and was very instrumental in all those trophies. Would have been nice to see him stay till he retires, but if he doesn't want to then as long as United doesn't get jibbed on the deal, its all good. Its not like he scored over 65 goals in the last two years under the barrel of a gun. He tried hard for the team to pay back for what we made him and we finally got that Champions League title that should have had more than just 3 times. I'm sure there is a play out there that has the ability to step-up and replace Ronaldo. As long as Nani and Anderson don't get suckered into the move as well because we invested a little bit more into them then we did into Ronaldo.





OrgulloVikingo: The problem with Ronaldinho is that he is a typical brazillian. Brazillians love to party. Spain has a great weather and places to party at. Put the personality with the resources together and you got an unfortunate match. One of the reason why Ronaldinho went to Barca over United is because he was afraid that there is too much rain and cold weather in Manchester. That was an indication right there that he isn't Giggs-type of player off the field. Can Ferguson make him great again, i don't know. Ferguson himself has only 2-3 years left at United and he is much better with young developing mind, rather than older already developed players. If you look at our history, players that were kicked out from United (Stam, Beckham, Ruud) where all older players that Ferguson just couldn't man-manage and their behaviour got out of hands. So i'm not so sure that Ronaldinho could rejuvenate his career with Ferguson. With Allardyce he can for sure though.

Not trying to belittle what he did, but if his heart isn't in United then we have to face the fact that we move on. Legends better than Ronaldo have gone and United continues. There was a Manchester United before Ronaldo and there damn sure will be one after Ronaldo.

Y'know I hope and pray that he comes out and says all these reports are rubbish and he's totally committed to United and goes on and has seasons like this one. But the fact is I feel he has gone too long without addressing this issue definitively one way or the other. Therefore we must steel ourselves to look at life without him.

There are negatives to him leaving - of course. But there are positives in every situation and we must look at how United can continue.

That is why no player will ever be greater or bigger than Manchester United.

No player is ever bigger than most clubs including us! This isn't something unique to Man Utd. Other than that, good post! although I still feel hes trying to get a bigger contract ext. from you guys.

I think this is the first time i have ever read a senseble post from you on footballing matters.


If somebody asked me, would i want United to sign this 17 year old kid for 12 million pounds and win an FA Cup, Carling Cup, 2 League titles and a CL title in 5 years and then sell him off to Real, maybe Barca, for 80 million pounds, i would say ABSOLUTELY! He has done superbly for this team and was very instrumental in all those trophies. Would have been nice to see him stay till he retires, but if he doesn't want to then as long as United doesn't get jibbed on the deal, its all good. Its not like he scored over 65 goals in the last two years under the barrel of a gun. He tried hard for the team to pay back for what we made him and we finally got that Champions League title that should have had more than just 3 times. I'm sure there is a play out there that has the ability to step-up and replace Ronaldo. As long as Nani and Anderson don't get suckered into the move as well because we invested a little bit more into them then we did into Ronaldo.





OrgulloVikingo: The problem with Ronaldinho is that he is a typical brazillian. Brazillians love to party. Spain has a great weather and places to party at. Put the personality with the resources together and you got an unfortunate match. One of the reason why Ronaldinho went to Barca over United is because he was afraid that there is too much rain and cold weather in Manchester. That was an indication right there that he isn't Giggs-type of player off the field. Can Ferguson make him great again, i don't know. Ferguson himself has only 2-3 years left at United and he is much better with young developing mind, rather than older already developed players. If you look at our history, players that were kicked out from United (Stam, Beckham, Ruud) where all older players that Ferguson just couldn't man-manage and their behaviour got out of hands. So i'm not so sure that Ronaldinho could rejuvenate his career with Ferguson. With Allardyce he can for sure though.

Why suckered? Don't understand this. You know, players dream of playing for certain clubs. No one is tricking anyone. Just like Ronaldo, other players dream of playing for other clubs.

Great point bout Fergie and older players. Excellent post(Y)

No player is ever bigger than most clubs including us! This isn't something unique to Man Utd. Other than that, good post! although I still feel hes trying to get a bigger contract ext. from you guys.

I think that in itself is a bit out of order - he was more than happy to sign a contract last year for five years so his contract demands should not even be discussed. If United allowed this to happen they would basically invite all their players to behave like this any time they wanted a raise.

I don't know what is going through Ronaldo's head, but I don't like the way that this keeps dragging on - I'd sooner Ronaldo publically states if he's staying or if he's going, at least then United and it's fans would know. He hasn't even approached Sir Alex or David Gill with any demands either.

I think that in itself is a bit out of order - he was more than happy to sign a contract last year for five years so his contract demands should not even be discussed. If United allowed this to happen they would basically invite all their players to behave like this any time they wanted a raise.

I don't know what is going through Ronaldo's head, but I don't like the way that this keeps dragging on - I'd sooner Ronaldo publically states if he's staying or if he's going, at least then United and it's fans would know. He hasn't even approached Sir Alex or David Gill with any demands either.

That's the issue. His dragging this along! Honestly, I know Ronaldo expresed his interest in playing for us but I would love to see players see out their contracts. I mean, thats what contracts are for afterall. He is still very young and if he wants to play elsewhere he'll hve time to do so. I hope everything gets sorted out. Ill be honest with you guys, as a madrid supporter, I do not want Ramos and Robinho to go anywhere, for obvious reasons. I don't think its necessary to get Ronaldo (although hes the best in the world atm) but if he comes it'll be exciting. I just hope chemistry, attitudes in the lockeroom dont distract. Im still recovering from our galactico days!

By the way, Ive enjoyed discussing this with you guys on this board. I havent heard anything out of line at all. You guys are very welcoming of opinions, unlike some other boards. Lets all hope this Ronaldo saga comes to an end soon

By the way, Ive enjoyed discussing this with you guys on this board. I havent heard anything out of line at all. You guys are very welcoming of opinions, unlike some other boards. Lets all hope this Ronaldo saga comes to an end soon

Me too. It's always nice to have a good conversation with real football fans, unfortunately the few idiots give the rest of us a bad name (especially here on the United side of things)

That is a VERY interesting point. I'd never actually considered it. It was obvious how bummed out SAF was to not be able to get 'dinho before he joined Barca, if Ronaldo does go i'd love to see SAF go for him.

Ronaldinho on form and focussed playing for United would be phenomenal.

Lets just see about that, shall we....

Report from the Times (will appear in today's newspaper)

Ronaldo is on his way out for certain, he has banned Sir Alex from talking to him during Euro 2008, even though Scolari will allow it.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article4076331.ece

Ronaldo's attititude is really beginning to pi$$ me off now.

I think this is the first time i have ever read a senseble post from you on footballing matters.


Still waiting for something from you though (H) :Devil::taz:

I thought being a football supporter was about supporting the club, not the celebrities... or it it a sad indictment of our time that football fans have become prone to such superficial things?Are people really more enamoured by the name on the back of their replica kit than the badge on the front? It won;t be long before people start supporting teams based on who their sponsor is...If you're talking to me, I actually agree with you and want to make it clear that as far as I'm concerned, united comes before any of it's individual players. Always has, always will. I just find Ronaldo's attitude to be very callous and selfish. I would have thought after the world cup debacle that he'd be a little more loyal to fergie, who completely pulled the boy's ass out of the fire.

I just find Ronaldo's attitude to be very callous and selfish.

unfortunatly this is what you get for paying ppl too much money and blowing smoke up their ass every week..

What troubles me more though. is theres never smoke without fire.. how many times through our football history have we seen these same tactics.. specualtion about a players future everybody denies it - Next thing u know vamoose hes gone like the wind..


-- i love united but if Ronaldo wants to play silly buggers id be happy to watch him sit on th bench for a season or 2. that would be funny as :biggrinx:

We'll if he does go, it will be interesting to see how he will fare at Real. But i wouldn't mind like 50 mil plus Robinho either. Sneijder would be nice, but we have Anderson, Carrick and Hargreaves all still with lots of years ahead of them.

Well Done Guys.That just shows a peaceful way to talk out the differences.Hope the two clubs behave like this.
OrgulloVikingo(Y)
Mikey(Y)
And others who took part in the concersation.(Y).

I feel Ronaldo's time is as good as over.And because of his behaviour he might not get a good seeing off from United fans in England.

Ronaldinho will also be a really good gamble.I am sure SAF has thought about him.

If he goes he goes,i really dont care that mutch!
would like him to stay but if the last report's from the media happens to be true,i would not care if he goes!
I am sure he hasn't figured out what united's plans for him was yet:

1. gave him the chance to play in the best league in the world.
2. gave him the number 7 that is a tribute in it self!
3. Sir alex wanted to build the team around him and Rooney
4. gave him the chance to win a lot of trophys
5. made him the best player in the world!

He is a great player but i think he got some morale issues! if he only had Solskjaers brain!!

i think ronaldo has peaked too early in his career and hes now going to make the 'dream' move to spain that he should of done in like 5 years time....whether he stays or goes hes never going to have a season as good as last and if he does go to madrid now i can see us all in many years time saying, 'Remember that lad Ronaldo, he had the potential to be the best player ever....better than Best better than Pele but instead he went to spain too early and his career took a nose dive from there.....shame really!!'

you're right to some extent, actually...he's got another good 10 years almost, he should take it the **** easy...

i listened to the interview of that brazlian reporter and be honest he sound "dodgey" i honestly didnt beleive him for some reason and dont think sky sports did either

listen to your mother ronaldo she says that he is happy in manchester and will be stayin put

I can't believe some of the bashing towards Ronaldo from some so called United fans...

You guys if not the same are worse than those who said that Giggs and Scholes should've just retired last season...

That kid gave us 42 ******* goals !!!! He carried the team on his shoulder literally !!!! He was like Kobe Bryant for Lakers for ****'s sake, give the kid some credit for busting his ass off on the pitch against some of the scariest legs breaking defenders despite being gay looking while you sit comfortably on your fat asses with soda cans in your left hand and potato chips in your right hand just for you to have something to cheer about the next morning in your pathetic lives....

Ronaldo, if you do follow him since his first day at United :
- Never once said that he was gonna end his career here. His first and only love is Sporting Lisbon and that's where he wants to end his career.
- Never promised anything. When prompted about the fact that someday Madrid will probably try to sign him, he said just see what the future holds.
- Once promised that he will score 15 goals at least in a season and delivered... superbly....
- Once promised he will win the EPL with United and delivered.
- Once promised that he will bring the ECL for United and delivered.

He could've left when the whole England booed him after the 2006 WC, but he stayed with us. Now ask yourself what might have been if he did leave huh ?

After all what he has given us and you call him names like bastards, ****s and even ungrateful ? The only ******* ungrateful bastards are you who dish at him....

Will I be sad if Ronaldo leaves ? Yes, but for **** sake I'm still gonna respect him for what he did for us. Nobody can take the good times he has given us this season. For all I know, you **** heads should be grateful that another great footballing Gods has graced the pitch of Old Trafford....

His first and only love is Sporting Lisbon and that's where he wants to end his career.
haha, yep, just like Figo. (H)

We'll if he does go, it will be interesting to see how he will fare at Real. But i wouldn't mind like 50 mil plus Robinho either. Sneijder would be nice, but we have Anderson, Carrick and Hargreaves all still with lots of years ahead of them.

I think Robinho will be player of the year soon. 50 mil + him = very bad move by real. Extremely bad.

If he goes he goes,i really dont care that mutch!
would like him to stay but if the last report's from the media happens to be true,i would not care if he goes!
I am sure he hasn't figured out what united's plans for him was yet:

1. gave him the chance to play in the best league in the world.
2. gave him the number 7 that is a tribute in it self!
3. Sir alex wanted to build the team around him and Rooney
4. gave him the chance to win a lot of trophys
5. made him the best player in the world!

He is a great player but i think he got some morale issues! if he only had Solskjaers brain!!


When he first played for United, Premiership was no way the best league in the world. La Liga was the best. Premiership became the best 2 years ago, no question, but Spain dominated for quite some time. I'll repeat myself by saying that he dioesnt owe Utd. anything. In turn, he gave you many trophys and a possible huge amount of money from the transfer = great deal for United. It's a huge investment that has already paid off. What I dont like is that he's been playing games. He should respect United by being upfront and trying to keep things out of the media (at least try).

i think ronaldo has peaked too early in his career and hes now going to make the 'dream' move to spain that he should of done in like 5 years time....whether he stays or goes hes never going to have a season as good as last and if he does go to madrid now i can see us all in many years time saying, 'Remember that lad Ronaldo, he had the potential to be the best player ever....better than Best better than Pele but instead he went to spain too early and his career took a nose dive from there.....shame really!!'

Why can't he have abetter year? because he may not play for United anymore? Thats a pretty arrogant statement. Why can't he suceed and grow his game elsewhere? We have all the parts to be very very competetive. We have 2 staright ligas, a very young team. We have all the pieces for a CL trophy soon as well. (not bad for having a new squad and new coach). Not only that but for him and many other players, playing for Real is the tops. It doesnt get bigger for many many players. Not saying United isn't huge by any means, but there is a certain mystique and allure for playing for Real that's so special.

Jesus guys there's a thread for this ronaldo crap, take it there.

and heres a link for the lazy

http://www.soccergaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154119

Jesus guys there's a thread for this ronaldo crap, take it there.

and heres a link for the lazy

http://www.soccergaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154119

I know, I started it :tongue:

However one report which I feel should be on here - as it's possibly actual news as opposed to conjecture is this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/default.stm


In other United business: Patrice Evra was apparently going to sign on May 29th (he was waiting for United to physically get the contract they'd agreed) but he still hasn't signed. I'm fairly sure Patrice wants very much to stay with us - but I'll be much happier when he puts pen to paper (for what that's worth these days - see above) Evra has improved so much and was brilliant for us last season.

Why can't he have abetter year? because he may not play for United anymore? Thats a pretty arrogant statement. Why can't he suceed and grow his game elsewhere? We have all the parts to be very very competetive. We have 2 staright ligas, a very young team. We have all the pieces for a CL trophy soon as well. (not bad for having a new squad and new coach). Not only that but for him and many other players, playing for Real is the tops. It doesnt get bigger for many many players. Not saying United isn't huge by any means, but there is a certain mystique and allure for playing for Real that's so special.

because he is better wise advised to continue playing in a settled team rather than to switch to a different climate so quickly.

All that apart,what have we ever done to deserve this? At this point in time we should be celebrating a delightful double earnt with the sweat and blood of the players and all concerned,and here we are debating whether our best player is about to desert the ship all summer thanks to your cunning marca and calderon remarks. :blush::sleep:

David Villa and David Silva from Valencia apparently up for "serious offers"... anyone? I don't really know much about them, but i've heard some good things.

David Villa and David Silva from Valencia apparently up for "serious offers"... anyone? I don't really know much about them, but i've heard some good things.

Sergio Aguero of Atletico Madrid is the latest name added to the "possibles" list by the media today. I've seen a bit of Villa and he'd be a good acquisition for us. I haven't really seen much of Silva though.

In other United news, looks like Tomas Kuszczak is out of Euro 08 after injuring his back - the physio reckons he'll be fit in a month's time. Shame for Tomas, but he was #2 behind Arthur Boruc anyway so he wouldn't have played much.

On that subject here are the United players that are in Euro 2008 (that I remember)

Edwin Van Der Sar (Holland)
Patrice Evra, Mickael Silvestre & Louis Saha (France)
Nani (and Ronaldo) (Portugal)
Tommy Kuszczak (Poland)

I think that's the lot.

All Hail MANCHESTER UNITED

David Villa might be a good buy. Depends if he takes the Torres route or the Fernando Morientes route in the Premiership.

Nani (and Ronaldo) (Portugal)
lol.

lol.

Yeah well I'm not sure he's a United player anymore! (Y)

Anyway, I have finally crafted a new sig - one that I have tried hard to capture United's history with rather than featuring the current squad (which will always be changing)

Its great idea, but i think you should do some fading and transperancy on it. Because all the pictures are of same quality and it looks like a collage, rather than a picture.

Sergio Aguero of Atletico Madrid is the latest name added to the "possibles" list by the media today. I've seen a bit of Villa and he'd be a good acquisition for us. I haven't really seen much of Silva though.

In other United news, looks like Tomas Kuszczak is out of Euro 08 after injuring his back - the physio reckons he'll be fit in a month's time. Shame for Tomas, but he was #2 behind Arthur Boruc anyway so he wouldn't have played much.

On that subject here are the United players that are in Euro 2008 (that I remember)

Edwin Van Der Sar (Holland)
Patrice Evra, Mickael Silvestre & Louis Saha (France)
Nani (and Ronaldo) (Portugal)
Tommy Kuszczak (Poland)

I think that's the lot.


are you sure sylvest and louis are included in the french squad? i dont think so you know...

are you sure sylvest and louis are included in the french squad? i dont think so you know...

Well it was from memory so I was bound to get a couple wrong!

Its great idea, but i think you should do some fading and transperancy on it. Because all the pictures are of same quality and it looks like a collage, rather than a picture.

I see what you mean and I've done some revisions;

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/MikeyM/newsgbanner2copy.jpg

Looks better now!

In United news, Arsenal are leading the race for Aaron Ramsey after he met Wenger in Switzerland last night.

Looks like United are also considering making Louis Saha part of a deal to bring Blackburn's Roque Santa Cruz to the Theatre of Dreams - although Arsenal are eyeing him up to replace Adebayor who is wanted by Milan.

I wish the Ramsey and Ronaldo saga will be sorted out sooner or later, but I do hope Ronaldo stay.

Apparently Wenger has gone to the EURO'S with his cheque book.
I will be very unhappy if we were to lose Ramsey.I think he could have been a sureshot good replacement for Giggsy.

because he is better wise advised to continue playing in a settled team rather than to switch to a different climate so quickly.

All that apart,what have we ever done to deserve this? At this point in time we should be celebrating a delightful double earnt with the sweat and blood of the players and all concerned,and here we are debating whether our best player is about to desert the ship all summer thanks to your cunning marca and calderon remarks. :blush::sleep:


Ummmm, no. Ronaldo has shown interest towards us! He has all the power. Stop using Marca and Calderon as scapegoats. Ronaldo and you guys is where the problem is. We can't force anyone to play for us, all we can do is entice but that initial interest has to be there from any player. Im sure he wouldn't go to Siberia to play for an enormous sum! It's a combination of money, childhood dreams, moving on to better and bigger things and new challenges. As for Ferigie and td. it makes no sense to force someone to play for you if they are not into it 100%. Playing in England (unless you are afan of particular clubs) isn't that appealing to many players. Lifestyle, climate, and so on are very important. Add that to the fact that he will haver the chance to cement himself at the biggest club in football history and if he succeeds there, like he did at United, it'll definately place him in the allt ime ranks. Of course, this is all assuming he's not baiting you guys for more money

Podolski looked sharp today, the BBC commentators were saying he's struggled at Bayern - I wonder if they may be selling him? I think he'd do a good job at Old Trafford.

He looked very good today indeed. The 2nd goal was just an amazing skill to take the ball from such heigh with so much power and accuracy and still keep it low. I think he is destined for good future given the right coach and he could definietly be a superb back-up to Rooney and Tevez. I don't even know if he really struggled at Bayern or Toni and Klose were just too good because those two did have a great season. If Podolski keeps on playing like that in the rest of the tournament then somebody is bound to knock on Bayern's doors.

syaz wan sends his congratulations and would like to announce that he is returning to the United fold once more, at least until Ronaldo leaves for Madrid, when he will continue the glory hunting circle and don the white shirt once more. If however Chelsea manage to secure the services of a well-known manager then he reserves the right to hook up with them again.

syaz wan sends his congratulations and would like to announce that he is returning to the United fold once more, at least until Ronaldo leaves for Madrid, when he will continue the glory hunting circle and don the white shirt once more. If however Chelsea manage to secure the services of a well-known manager then he reserves the right to hook up with them again.
(H) !!!!!!!

Ummmm, no. Ronaldo has shown interest towards us! He has all the power. Stop using Marca and Calderon as scapegoats. Ronaldo and you guys is where the problem is. We can't force anyone to play for us, all we can do is entice but that initial interest has to be there from any player. Im sure he wouldn't go to Siberia to play for an enormous sum! It's a combination of money, childhood dreams, moving on to better and bigger things and new challenges. As for Ferigie and td. it makes no sense to force someone to play for you if they are not into it 100%. Playing in England (unless you are afan of particular clubs) isn't that appealing to many players. Lifestyle, climate, and so on are very important. Add that to the fact that he will haver the chance to cement himself at the biggest club in football history and if he succeeds there, like he did at United, it'll definately place him in the allt ime ranks. Of course, this is all assuming he's not baiting you guys for more money

Even you are fooled by your own newspaper. You of all people should now what Marca is capable of...I am quite sure that Ronaldo never said that he wants to play for Real, at most it would have been something like Real is a 'nice' club to play for. The most concrete prove you can have is even with the CL cup in his hands he said that he is staying with us, in numerous interviews after that he repeated those words. The boy himself hasn't said a word about this case. How can out of all news sources an unknown 'respected' Brazilian newspaper with Marca roots claim that he told them that he wants to go to Real. Ronaldo just want to focus on the European Cup and play a good tournament. He doesn't even need to comment on these foolish Real statements cause he knows that he will be staying with us and that there is nothing to worry about. I am quite sure that he will be staying with us and besides that he will even sign an improved contract. Marca is as usual twisting and turning every word and using relatives as an excuse to lure Ronaldo. Besides that naming big salaries through the media etc. it's all down to Marca and Real and not Ronaldo. Real can show interest in a player in a different way, and that is not by constantly trying to play with the boy's mind through the media.

The most worrying thing is that next summer the rumours will be even worse. Real should focus on nurturing there own players into superstars. Robinho could have been fantastic for them. The same goes for Higuan etc

umm...the commentators during half time of Romania - France mentioned that we've officially filed some sort of complaint to FIFA for Real Madrid trying to get Ronaldo? Anyone know about this?

umm...the commentators during half time of Romania - France mentioned that we've officially filed some sort of complaint to FIFA for Real Madrid trying to get Ronaldo? Anyone know about this?


Yeah man, it's all over the internet.

Aaron Ramsey is set to decide where he's going this week. Reports suggest he is leaning towards Arsenal however. :swear2:

Saw Ribery today, sporadically because he went missing for large parts of the game, either he was stifled by Romania or he was half asleep (Certainly didn't look worth the £30M price tag Bayern have put on him). Benzema was disappointing as well.

Hope they shine more in the tournament (If France stick around for a bit that is)

umm...the commentators during half time of Romania - France mentioned that we've officially filed some sort of complaint to FIFA for Real Madrid trying to get Ronaldo? Anyone know about this?

That's how you time it....wait for the player to sway a bit in one direction and then report the other club, making it awkward for the player to go forward with negotiations between two "not so friend" clubs.

lady lover...I am going to laugh if the man comes out after the Euro saying that he wants to play for Madrid....True, Marca has de-stabilized the situation but please dont sit here for a second and deny that Ronaldo has ever said he wants to play for us. In an interview with a well known Portuguese newspaper he said and even in a pres-conference prior to the Euro he said: I have a dream to play for Real Madrid. You have dreams too no? well that's my dream?" Why can't some of you guys accept that Ronaldo just wants to play at Madrid, in his universe United is not the top of the ladder, to him that is Madrid...He is going about it completely wrong IMO but it is his doing, as I said before, When we started nibbling at Kaka, what did he do? he came out and inequivocally said: I want to stay in Milan...why does it take Ronaldo THIS long to come out with an answer...as yourself that question....lets be realistic here and instead and throwing all the blame on Calderon and Madrid and all that look at the player himself.

Even you are fooled by your own newspaper. You of all people should now what Marca is capable of...I am quite sure that Ronaldo never said that he wants to play for Real, at most it would have been something like Real is a 'nice' club to play for. The most concrete prove you can have is even with the CL cup in his hands he said that he is staying with us, in numerous interviews after that he repeated those words. The boy himself hasn't said a word about this case. How can out of all news sources an unknown 'respected' Brazilian newspaper with Marca roots claim that he told them that he wants to go to Real. Ronaldo just want to focus on the European Cup and play a good tournament. He doesn't even need to comment on these foolish Real statements cause he knows that he will be staying with us and that there is nothing to worry about. I am quite sure that he will be staying with us and besides that he will even sign an improved contract. Marca is as usual twisting and turning every word and using relatives as an excuse to lure Ronaldo. Besides that naming big salaries through the media etc. it's all down to Marca and Real and not Ronaldo. Real can show interest in a player in a different way, and that is not by constantly trying to play with the boy's mind through the media.

The most worrying thing is that next summer the rumours will be even worse. Real should focus on nurturing there own players into superstars. Robinho could have been fantastic for them. The same goes for Higuan etc

Oh my! Are you nuts? Its self admitted his interest! As for obinho, what do you mean could of? He still plays for us and up to his injury was by far our best player. Don't even bring up nutrturing players, success and all that. Weve experienced all of that many more time sthan you have. What are you talking about? FYI, Higuain is settling in very well. Has all the traits and values that Raul has to be a lifelong Madrid player. Schuster is doing an exceellent job with all our players. We have avery young team and have won 2 straight titles and that s not bad for having a relatively young team and new coach.

lady lover...I am going to laugh if the man comes out after the Euro saying that he wants to play for Madrid....True, Marca has de-stabilized the situation but please dont sit here for a second and deny that Ronaldo has ever said he wants to play for us. In an interview with a well known Portuguese newspaper he said and even in a pres-conference prior to the Euro he said: I have a dream to play for Real Madrid. You have dreams too no? well that's my dream?" Why can't some of you guys accept that Ronaldo just wants to play at Madrid, in his universe United is not the top of the ladder, to him that is Madrid...He is going about it completely wrong IMO but it is his doing, as I said before, When we started nibbling at Kaka, what did he do? he came out and inequivocally said: I want to stay in Milan...why does it take Ronaldo THIS long to come out with an answer...as yourself that question....lets be realistic here and instead and throwing all the blame on Calderon and Madrid and all that look at the player himself.

Someone just got owned!

It doesn't matter what Ronaldo said. I believe he did express his desire to move to Madrid, but that's beside the point here.

What is relevant is how Madrid are going about this transfer. It's their usual style, IMO. SAF said there was interest from several clubs, but Madrid were the only one who filled columns with it. Every day there's something in MARCA about Ronaldo and Madrid. Real Madrid are not the only club in the world, there are others who also watched Ronaldo play and look at him as a possible signing, but Madrid have their unique way of "persuading" other clubs, which is really what started all this.

And the player expressing his desire to join you doesn't give you the right to ignore the rules. If you want him, pay what United are asking. If you don't want to, tough **** for both Ronaldo and yourselves.

I don't think anything will change in Madrid's approach because it is what it has always been, and sadly enough, a good part of the Madridismo is actually proud of the way RM conduct business.

Aaron Ramsey is set to decide where he's going this week. Reports suggest he is leaning towards Arsenal however. :swear2:


Almost certain he is gonna sign for them. I hope he can speak French.

Ummmm, no. Ronaldo has shown interest towards us! He has all the power. Stop using Marca and Calderon as scapegoats. Ronaldo and you guys is where the problem is. We can't force anyone to play for us, all we can do is entice but that initial interest has to be there from any player. Im sure he wouldn't go to Siberia to play for an enormous sum! It's a combination of money, childhood dreams, moving on to better and bigger things and new challenges. As for Ferigie and td. it makes no sense to force someone to play for you if they are not into it 100%. Playing in England (unless you are afan of particular clubs) isn't that appealing to many players. Lifestyle, climate, and so on are very important. Add that to the fact that he will haver the chance to cement himself at the biggest club in football history and if he succeeds there, like he did at United, it'll definately place him in the allt ime ranks. Of course, this is all assuming he's not baiting you guys for more money


Regardless of what Ronaldo want, you are not helping maters by fueling all the rumours.

I feel that Real have been waaayy over-the-top in their courting of Ronaldo. Not only have their president and staff and players talked about how they want Ronaldo to join them, Madrid-based newspapers have been in overdrive churning out gossips and rumours about the possible move.

There's nothing wrong with wanting a player - almost every club wants to have Ronaldo. But its just the unethical and high-handed way that Real does it that is harmful for football. The message they send:- Real Madrid are the divine club and we've the right to get any player we want. This is absolutely disgusting in my opinion.

Aaron Ramsey is set to decide where he's going this week. Reports suggest he is leaning towards Arsenal however. :swear2:



Not going to lose any sleep over the loss for ramsey, I rather we buy established players.

Obviously he either lacks ambition or self confidence - either way that marks him out as a loser and simply not good enough to join United.

To be honest though, there could be a number of factors that could have swayed his decision to join Arsenal.

1. He doesn't want to go back to Cardiff on loan
2. He wants to train with a first team squad next season
3. He sees Flamini's and Hleb's imminent departures as an opportunity to claim a first team spot
4. Arsenal flew him to Switzerland to meet Arsene Wenger, we had Gary Neville bring him on a tour around the stadium and talk to SAF on a telephone

He is a good player, but its his loss to reject us for Arsenal. He should have looked at how we groomed Cristiano to become the best player in the world.

Maybe he didn't want to stay another season in the Championship...? I had a feeling this would happen. He's probably thinking he'd rather be at the Arse and he would most likely have a better chance at getting games for them this season. **** him, he doesn't want to come to OT that's his choice.

I only want to sign players that want to play for us.

And I hope we can buy David Villa. this guy is absolute quality.

...
1. He doesn't want to go back to Cardiff on loan
2. He wants to train with a first team squad next season
3. He sees Flamini's and Hleb's imminent departures as an opportunity to claim a first team spot
4. Arsenal flew him to Switzerland to meet Arsene Wenger, we had Gary Neville bring him on a tour around the stadium and talk to SAF on a telephone
...

1 and 3 probably did it.

If he ends up choosing Arsenal, for him personally it will probably be a better choice actually. Arsenal will always be up there with the top EPL teams still. And like Fernandez pointed out, he doesn't want to go back to Cardiff and Flamini and Hleb are gone meaning that his path into the middle of the field is not so blurry as it would have been at United with Carrick, Hargreaves and Anderson and only Scholes retiring soon. Besides, whether you like it or not Wenger is probably the best coach to train young players, just look what he has done with Flamini and Fabregas.

Obviously he either lacks ambition or self confidence - either way that marks him out as a loser and simply not good enough to join United.

Thats probably one of the most ridiculous reasons i've heard. Having said that, its something i expect to find in this thread.

why all the upset over losing ramsey, we got bigger players to go after.

Where Wenger does well is the fact that he gives chances to youngsters he has signed. But if he is prepared to sacrifice years without a trophy then good luck to him. :D

To be honest though, there could be a number of factors that could have swayed his decision to join Arsenal.

1. He doesn't want to go back to Cardiff on loan
2. He wants to train with a first team squad next season
3. He sees Flamini's and Hleb's imminent departures as an opportunity to claim a first team spot
4. Arsenal flew him to Switzerland to meet Arsene Wenger, we had Gary Neville bring him on a tour around the stadium and talk to SAF on a telephone

He is a good player, but its his loss to reject us for Arsenal. He should have looked at how we groomed Cristiano to become the best player in the world.

IMO that will just serve him up nice for the short term but in the long run this decision will hurt him.

Obvioulsy if he is that good he will get his chance in the first team sooner rather than later.

Gazza also chose another club refusing to join us and we can what's his state now. SAF grooms players better. I am not comparing him with Ramsey but just giving an example.

Thats probably one of the most ridiculous reasons i've heard. Having said that, its something i expect to find in this thread.

If you are so smart then you must have been able to understand what I was saying. If you understood what I was saying and and still saying that then I there is obviously something wrong with you. I now know you are pn those racists who do malice to our people in the UK and spread a bad name for your country.

Why all the fuzz over this young player we have to look at other better players, as rightly said by ticcan.

And I hope we can buy David Villa. this guy is absolute quality.

Agreed, but his price will shoot into the stratosphere with a few more Euro 08 matches like that one. I want United to get Wesley Sneijder (even in a Ronaldo deal), I get more and more impressed every time I see him.

Benzema has come out and told the media he would prefer to move to Madrid when he leaves Lyon - but he sees his immediate future with them.

Also speaking of players in interviews, apparently Kaka has expressed an admiration for Man Utd and would like to play for us in the future, he went on to say Anderson is a good friend of his as well. This interview was recorded on Italian radio. Apparently about five minutes after these comments were aired, Milan slapped a "not for sale" message on their website! Funny how the Sun and the English press didn't blow that one into a huge story. :rolleyes:

Regardless of what Ronaldo want, you are not helping maters by fueling all the rumours.

I feel that Real have been waaayy over-the-top in their courting of Ronaldo. Not only have their president and staff and players talked about how they want Ronaldo to join them, Madrid-based newspapers have been in overdrive churning out gossips and rumours about the possible move.

There's nothing wrong with wanting a player - almost every club wants to have Ronaldo. But its just the unethical and high-handed way that Real does it that is harmful for football. The message they send:- Real Madrid are the divine club and we've the right to get any player we want. This is absolutely disgusting in my opinion.



Not going to lose any sleep over the loss for ramsey, I rather we buy established players.


Over the top? How? By the way, how quick you are to forget the whole HargreAves saga:read: Hehehe! Sure, label us as the bad guys, it's an easy scapegoat. Marca can publish what ever they want, they are not Real Madrid. And by the way, Marca, although traditionally very pro Madrid, have it in for Calderon. If you knew the story there, you'd leave the Marca/Madrid connection out of this. Disgusting? Mate, you are totally over reacting. What it comes down to is Ronaldo! He has a mind of his own. If he's meant to be at United he will stay, if not he will leave. Period! His attitude towards this whole thing is to be questioned. Although he's made it public that it's his dream to play for us I still think this is a big ploy to get Man U shell out more money for him, to offer him a new deal. Sorry, if we threaten you but I assure you that we do not force anyone. First and foremost, the player has to show interet in playing for us. Thats the way it works.

Ok, lets get this straight. The only words anyone has actually heard Ronaldo say was "I stay!" right after the Champs final. since then i have seen nothing from Ronaldo other than a piss off Im trying to get ready for a big tournament.

Everything else has come from Pro-Madrid press. They want Ronaldo, they are the only people responsible for this circus. I have no issue with the Madrid staff answering questions put too them by the media, which is what they have been doing.

whether or not Marca like Calderon is irrelevant, they like Madrid and they want Ronaldo playing there. They also know that the club wants him too and might be willing to fork over the stupid cash required to get Man Utd too sell.

Are there pay offs with large sums of cash in little paper bags? probably not, but that still doesn't excuse the fact that they are reporting this bull**** as fact and Marca should be held accountable for that. but UEFA and FIFA have no jurisdiction over Marca other than they could deny Marca press passes to any football under their sphere of influence, either way they need to be pulled up for this crap they are pulling.

Now this isn't to say that other teams haven't done the very same thing or other newspapers haven't. but what is worrying is the way its is starting to blow out of all proportions. we need to put a stop to this, its not good for the clubs, players or fans. you just need to look at these boards to see how its blow up. I dont want bull****, i want the truth.

Well Said.

....i want the truth.

You may not get it until June 29th. That may or may not be the earliest.....

If you are so smart then you must have been able to understand what I was saying. If you understood what I was saying and and still saying that then I there is obviously something wrong with you. I now know you are pn those racists who do malice to our people in the UK and spread a bad name for your country.

Why all the fuzz over this young player we have to look at other better players, as rightly said by ticcan.

Yes, i am smart, and yes i understand what your saying, but its completely irrelevant and has absolutely no foundations. Signing for arsenal shows no lack of ambition, they're a huge club who play some of the best football in the land. They will be there or there abouts in every big competition for quite a few years to come so to say he lacks ambition is utter garbage. The same applies for lacking self confidence. And to judge the fact whether a player is good enough to play for United based on these two attributes, which you've made a mess of anyway, is just absurd.

As for the rest of your post, i'm not sure whether your just trying to raise a response out of me, or you truly believe what your saying, but from what i understood of it, your accusing me of racism for going against your opinion? If theres any hint of racism in our exchange its from you, bringing up the race differences, which before now i wasn't even aware of.

Ronaldo said yesterday that he'll only decide after the Euro. You guys were talking about him not having said anything and stuff, well these were his exact words, live, after yesterdays match.

Ronaldo said yesterday that he'll only decide after the Euro. You guys were talking about him not having said anything and stuff, well these were his exact words, live, after yesterdays match.

As good as saying nothing and keeping silence on his future.


One good news though, Evra has signed a 4-year deal with us. :)

Link (http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={B4CEE8FA-9A47-47BC-B069-3F7A2F35DB70}&newsid=6611572)

One good news though, Evra has signed a 4-year deal with us. :)

Link (http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={B4CEE8FA-9A47-47BC-B069-3F7A2F35DB70}&newsid=6611572)

FINALLY!! I was worried about United fouling that up - Patrice has been outstanding for us and why Abidal is in the France XI instead is beyond me, Patrice Evra is the best left back in the world IMHO.

Scholari gone to Chelsea - no wonder he was advising Ronny to jump ship at United.

Also the media reports Klaus Jan Huntelaar has issued a "come and get me" plea to Real Madrid.

Arsenal also reported to be on the verge of securing Roque Santa Cruz over United too. :swear2:

I wish we'd hurry up and buy someone, I know David Gill said we wouldn't until after the Euros but everyone else is buying now.

Reports from Spain indicate Man Utd would definately insist on Sergio Ramos and Robinho in any Cristiano deal. We should get Wesley Sneijder - he is class.

advising Ronny to jump ship? Who the hell lied to you?

uh Big phil did advice "Ronny" to jump ship. He said in a press conf. prior to the Portugal game against Georgia when asked what he thought of Ronaldo going to Madrid, he said he thinks Madrid is a once in a lifetime oportunity and he should take it.....

thats different and u know it, he was asked by the press about his opinion, he didn't go about and told/advised Ronaldo to join Real Madrid.....

of course he was going to give an direct/honest opinion given the kind of person he is.

It doesn't really matter, the decision is Ronaldo's hands.

Indeed, seconded

If a third party asked me a question about a friend such as do you think he shoudl get a haircut and i say I think his hair looks hideous, so he should cut it....is that an opinion or a suggestion by inference? think about it....Big Phil's opinion is rather a suggestion by inference and you know it

the difference here is that Ronaldo's relationship with Big Phil is entirely professional(if they're indeed friends then prove it, i highly doubt it), different from what u described, KingPaul...
but like many have said, Ronaldo himself has to make the decision regardless of other people's influence. So whatever happens its him(including clubs involved) who suffers/benefits from the consequences.

am i in a right thread?lol :P

am i in a right thread?lol :P


Oh yes, I'll prove it - YESS We're Champions of England and Europe :33vff3o:


see.


http://www.teamtalk.com/football/news/0,16370,1778,00.html

News about someone who gets the idea of loyalty - I give to you Patrice Evra.

Yes, i am smart, and yes i understand what your saying, but its completely irrelevant and has absolutely no foundations. Signing for arsenal shows no lack of ambition, they're a huge club who play some of the best football in the land. They will be there or there abouts in every big competition for quite a few years to come so to say he lacks ambition is utter garbage. The same applies for lacking self confidence. And to judge the fact whether a player is good enough to play for United based on these two attributes, which you've made a mess of anyway, is just absurd.

As for the rest of your post, i'm not sure whether your just trying to raise a response out of me, or you truly believe what your saying, but from what i understood of it, your accusing me of racism for going against your opinion? If theres any hint of racism in our exchange its from you, bringing up the race differences, which before now i wasn't even aware of.

I am not even going to reply you. Let's end the discussion here. Can we be mutual friends now?

Cristiano Ronaldo has again teased his Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson by saying: "I just love playing in all white," after Portugal's victory against the Czech Republic on Wednesday. That seriously irks me.

hahahaha oh my god (H)

Cristiano Ronaldo has again teased his Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson by saying: "I just love playing in all white," after Portugal's victory against the Czech Republic on Wednesday. That seriously irks me.

Yes but the press fail to mention that he added "of the Portugal kit" straight afterwards - the full quote was on the internet straight after the game - Trust the Daily Star to twist it.

Sergio Ramos has admitted his admiration for Man Utd and would possibly be open to a move this summer (Marca) so I don't know if he actually said this or if Marca are stirring the sh*t again.

I like Ramos. He would provide a great additional presence during defending and attacking set pieces. I'm sure Ferguson can sort out his indiscipline during matches where he sometimes gets booked or sent off needlessly.

Not before the end of the tournament. My team is doing rather well in the Fantasy Football league I am a part of, and my rule is NO UNITED PLAYERS. And yes, that includes Ronaldo, which every other friggin team seems to have in it.

Ramos said that (and this is a translation from his Marca quote I actually heard it on the Radio Marca stream) "I am happy at Madrid, I identify myself with the club and the teamates, but it is always nice to have the interest of teams such as Man U. I am focused on the NT and Madrid at the time however, so any further discussions will have to wait till after the EURO"

Wow, sounds like something a certain Ronaldo guy could have said earlier on...I promise you this transfer talks will now die down as far as Ramos is concerned, why? because he SAID SOMETHING!...we cant say the same about C. Ronaldo....who btw did say I like playing in all white...of the portuguese national team in a jokingly way knowing full well what he was doing, how some of you Man U. Fans support him still is beyong me...He has shown to be a merc, and really deserves no further than a thank you for your goals have a good life kick in the rear....Im sure I wont mind him at Madrid, but there are a ton of other players that I would rather go for right now...oh well

wish you would feck off to the ronaldo thread. I posted my thoughts on the matter there maybe you could reply there too.

VDR looking good for Holland, what a star. Evra looked good too inspite the loss.

Ramos said that (and this is a translation from his Marca quote I actually heard it on the Radio Marca stream) "I am happy at Madrid, I identify myself with the club and the teamates, but it is always nice to have the interest of teams such as Man U. I am focused on the NT and Madrid at the time however, so any further discussions will have to wait till after the EURO"

Wow, sounds like something a certain Ronaldo guy could have said earlier on...I promise you this transfer talks will now die down as far as Ramos is concerned, why? because he SAID SOMETHING!...we cant say the same about C. Ronaldo....who btw did say I like playing in all white...of the portuguese national team in a jokingly way knowing full well what he was doing, how some of you Man U. Fans support him still is beyong me...He has shown to be a merc, and really deserves no further than a thank you for your goals have a good life kick in the rear....Im sure I wont mind him at Madrid, but there are a ton of other players that I would rather go for right now...oh well


spot on there..ronaldo has shown the height of disrespect to not just united but football in general

ramos snejder and robinho + money sounds like a great deal to me and then give ronaldo one hell of a kick up the rear end

He has violated that unspoken rule where he has pretended to be "bigger than the club and bigger than the game"....and yeah We wouldnt let Ramos or Sneijder go unless it meant we got Ronaldo for free...Robihno, that's a different story...



adedawson, I wish you would Fvck off period...cheers!(Y)

:rolleyes: Theres a thread created to talk about ronny for a reason, use it.

that's all you had to say the first time, not fvck off...thank you!

I tried the polite methord more then once and so have others. BTW dont assosiate the word "Feck" with another 4 lettered word. It isnt a way to get around the word "fvck off" as your suggesting. You have missitirpited whats being said, Feck has no sexual connotations. Its an expression anger, or contempt etc.

Looks liek united are going for berb again.

^ I would cream myself if we got him...simply because he's Bulgarian

my wish list!

1. Ribery
2. Sneijder
3. Villa

If we get Villa then we would have 3 world class strikers, none of them would want to be on the bench. How will that work? We couldnt keep 2 world class LB, one of them left Heinze. I think we should get a striker who is not world class but good enough someone like Louis Saha, Defoe etc.

the way Ribery, Sneijder and Villa are performing a the Euro, you would need to sell the Old Trafford or something in order to afford all three...

the way Ribery, Sneijder and Villa are performing a the Euro, you would need to sell the Old Trafford or something in order to afford all three...
did not say it was a realistic list! it was my personal wish list with players i would like to see at OT, based on there performances at the moment!
:munch:

you would need to sell the Old Trafford or something in order to afford all three... Or Ronaldo..

lol, no. Ronaldo's money would only buy Ribery and half of Sneijder or something..

There's that Manucho guy to think about too. Him and berb will be nice.

Don't think there will be a issue with having another world class player, they will just get rotated. Like SAF's being doing the midfield, works well and I think its the deciding factor they let us do well in the euro's as our players weren't all injured.

I would see them getting plenty of game time.

Fixtures came out. Big away games to Emirates, Anfield and Stamford Bridge to be concluded before Christmas which would be a bonus so there would be no fixture congestion and such.

Fixtures came out. Big away games to Emirates, Anfield and Stamford Bridge to be concluded before Christmas which would be a bonus so there would be no fixture congestion and such.

We got Arsenal in the run in and we finish away again. Why can't we finish at home for once? It's nice to round off the season at home - especially if there's a trophy lift to relish.

Ole takes another stride to total Man Utd legend ... (He's there already IMO)

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1778_3698703,00.html

Are you reading this Cristiano?

Ronaldo's skills and Ole's brain,wow what a player that would be!!
I miss Ole!

UNited can get over 70 million pounds for Ronaldo!

UNited can get over 70 million pounds for Ronaldo!

Real said to be submitting 50M bid - they're gonna need more than that.

I really don't want Ronaldo to go, but if we are selling him for that amount, we might as well sell the entire team for 1M. He's worth twice than that amount.

I really don't want Ronaldo to go, but if we are selling him for that amount, we might as well sell the entire team for 1M. He's worth twice than that amount.

Nor do I, but I think it will happen - allegedly he's told close friends he's quitting after EURO 2008.

I think all United fans will be hoping for a German win on Thursday - this Ronaldo thing must be resolved while we still have time to get replacements/reinforcements. If Ronaldo leaves, our transfer strategy dramatically changes (which is why I'm hoping for a player exchange with Real)

Robinho would be an adequate replacement, and we could advance Anderson - like he played for (Porto and Gremio). Manucho will come in to replace sicknote Saha.

One little thing, I don't know why people ring MUTV and say we need a right back. Wes Brown was a revelation this season, and Gary Neville is almost fit again + we have young Danny Simpson (and also the Brazil twins) Why would we need Micah Richards (and Sparky won't sell anyway)

Realistically I would say our strategy would be (depending on the Ronaldo outcome)

Scenario One - Ronaldo is sold (straight cash)

Priority one is to replace the deficit to the squad of losing a winger. Nani would be my pick for left wing (bring Giggs on sparingly) We could go for a "direct" replacement like Quaresema or Joaqin etc. Or I think David Bentley would be a good addition because he would supply ammunition to Carlos and Wazza - like Beckham did. Also, like Becks - Bentley is a danger from freekicks (although Owen Hargreaves is my set play man) In addition we must get at least one more front man. I like Berbatov, but I question his temperament and attitude although his skill is Cantona esque at times - he glides over the field.

Klaus Jan Huntelaar would be a good buy, his prolific record speaks for itself and Dutch players tend to adapt well to the English game. I also like Podolski, and indications are Bayern may sell for the right price.

Closer to home, I have a lot of respect for Aston Villa's Gabby Agbonlahor, he's young knows the league and is English - I suspect having almost certainly lost Barry, that Villa would not entertain the idea.

Scenario Two - Ronaldo goes in swap deal

If we could get Sergio Ramos (class player, sorry Wes) and Robinho then I think we'd only really need another striker. Ideally though I'd love to see United play hardball and get Wesley Sneijder in any deal.

Scenario Three - Ronaldo stays

Two strikers and possibly another young winger (for Ronaldo will definitely have gone in two/three seasons)

I miss Ole!

So do I. I think he must be my favourite player of all time.

God, I really hope we don't get Ronaldo. IMO, I think it's more valuable to have Sergio Ramos, Robinho on our squad. Ramos would be irreplaceable and Robinho is nowhere near his full potential and I believe he'll be World player of the year soon. Plus, they're both really young. Calderon needs to get off this Ronaldo infatuation especially when we don't need him. All we need is a Villa or Huntelaar and that's it.

God, I really hope we don't get Ronaldo. IMO, I think it's more valuable to have Sergio Ramos, Robinho on our squad. Ramos would be irreplaceable and Robinho is nowhere near his full potential and I believe he'll be World player of the year soon. Plus, they're both really young. Calderon needs to get off this Ronaldo infatuation especially when we don't need him. All we need is a Villa or Huntelaar and that's it.

Ronaldo is the most popular player in the world among kids right now, can you him? Its not like Calderon bought Beckham purely for his footballing skills you know.

Ronaldo is the most popular player in the world among kids right now, can you him? Its not like Calderon bought Beckham purely for his footballing skills you know.


Calderon didn't buy Beckham. Florentino Perez bought him. Difference is Ronaldo is the most popular but also the best player now! Im not anti Ronaldo. He brings alot to the table and is ajoy to watch. But I don't think giving away Robinho and Ramos is worth it. Nowhere near. Let alone 50 big ones

Probably not. But really, i think the talk of Ramos and Robinho plus cash being changed for Ronaldo is just media talk. I don't think Calderon would actually seriously consider it. You follow Real more, so you would know better than I do.

I think Robihno is a realistic posibility, there has been a general sense that he has never peaked and well here in Madrid people like to see results quick...Last season was his best with us and baring the fact he got injured He probably would have finished wth even better numbers...things about Robihno that have been brough up is his work ethic at times is poor Reminescent of Big Ronaldo, also that he sometimes seems to forego his defensive responsabilities however tiny they might be, and finally that he would not pass the ball to save his life choosing instead to dribble all day long, but that has been corrected a lot under Schuster this year...so but the Ramos thing not gonna happen, we really dont have a replacement nor can we buy one as the RB market is extremely thin right now...so that Ramos part was purely media talk, I would be Stunned if he went anywhere, they were talking about giving him a life contract like Casillas, Raul and Guti have with us...anyway, Robihno, could happen

I dont think any replacement for Ronaldo can be English sorry to say. Bentley is overrated and I dont think hes that good. You need a talent that can do the business week in week out. Robinho is the man to do that.

I think Robihno is a realistic posibility, there has been a general sense that he has never peaked and well here in Madrid people like to see results quick...Last season was his best with us and baring the fact he got injured He probably would have finished wth even better numbers...things about Robihno that have been brough up is his work ethic at times is poor Reminescent of Big Ronaldo, also that he sometimes seems to forego his defensive responsabilities however tiny they might be, and finally that he would not pass the ball to save his life choosing instead to dribble all day long, but that has been corrected a lot under Schuster this year...so but the Ramos thing not gonna happen, we really dont have a replacement nor can we buy one as the RB market is extremely thin right now...so that Ramos part was purely media talk, I would be Stunned if he went anywhere, they were talking about giving him a life contract like Casillas, Raul and Guti have with us...anyway, Robihno, could happen

Youre somewhat spot on about Robinho but remember a younger Cristiano? He had similar problems. Players need to develop and time and space need to be given. If Schuster can mold him he would be even better. Up to the injury, he was by far our best player. I can definately see him being that good a whole season and imroving and building on top of that! Im afraid if Cristiano goes, Robinho goes.

Speak volumes really about how a club can develop a player more than the other club. If Ronaldo had gone to Real Madrid when he was at Sporting, would he have become the player he is now at Manchester United? The same goes for Robinho, would he have developed better if he was at Manchester United? SAF has moulded Ronaldo into the player he is today, just like other players like Beckham, Scholes and so on and so forth.

Youre somewhat spot on about Robinho but remember a younger Cristiano? He had similar problems. Players need to develop and time and space need to be given. If Schuster can mold him he would be even better. Up to the injury, he was by far our best player. I can definately see him being that good a whole season and imroving and building on top of that! I'm afraid if Cristiano goes, Robinho goes.

Cristiano hasn't had an injury yet - the way he plays does put him at high risk (in the way pacey players get hamstring tears etc) I hope when the deal is done we get players in exchange, because even with £100M straight cash, it's going to be very hard to get the players we want - Chelsea are going into hoovering mode again.

At least with Robinho and Ramos, United would get some quality back - although I really, really, really hope United ask for Sneijder.

We really, really, really don't need Sneijder.

It depends on who you get: RM Sneijder's or Euro's Sneidjer. The latter would improve any team, the first not.

RM's Sneijder's is only the second leading assist man we had and fourth leading scorer, and a key piece in most of our BIG win this year...surely he would be no help.....but it is important to note, he wont go anywhere, neither will Ramos, both have stated their desire to continue in Madrid, so...unlike Ronaldo they have made their future clear....Robihno on the other hand has stated that he would be open to a move....

It depends on who you get: RM Sneijder's or Euro's Sneidjer. The latter would improve any team, the first not.

Right, two completely different people. I actually think the former is from Zimbabwe.

I would think any player would have to very very unhappy, to want to leave Real Madrid for any club. In fact they would need to be desperately unhappy.

Ramos has basically said he's interested with a "we'll see what happens" comment - at least that's how i interpret it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/06/14/sfnman114.xml

Just another player looking for a wage increase Daz. From what the agent is reported to have said, Real Madrid might just be considering whether to report Man U to Fifa for tapping up Ramos. That's what it looks like to me mate. Man U need to be very careful indeed.

Hahahahaha!!!!

Just another player looking for a wage increase Daz. From what the agent is reported to have said, Real Madrid might just be considering whether to report Man U to Fifa for tapping up Ramos. That's what it looks like to me mate. Man U need to be very careful indeed.

lol, wouldn't that be a slap in the face.

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7BF9E570E6%2D407E%2D44BC%2D80 0F%2D4A3110258114%7D&newsid=6612192
"not for sale"

cant wait to see if we get berb. Wonder when saf will start the spending.

In my opinion he's lost cause already and we should just cash him in sooner rather than later and be done with it. He'll never have such a good season again so the value can go only down.

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7BF9E570E6%2D407E%2D44BC%2D80 0F%2D4A3110258114%7D&newsid=6612192
"not for sale"

cant wait to see if we get berb. Wonder when saf will start the spending.


As soon as we get rid of the disingenuous number 7. Looks like he was pulling the strings in the saga all along. The action depends on who we get of Madrid in return - and how much cash we can get.

Berbetov would be a great signing, but I wonder if he's got the right attitude for Sir Alex. Podolski was on fire again last night, Bayern apparently will sell - so I think we should snap him up.

We'll also need a good pacy winger too, wonder if we could prise Ashley Young from Aston Villa? The only alternatives I can think of are;

Messi (then I woke up)
Kaka (nice dream still)
Ribery (take shedloads of cash)
Quaresma (United have followed him since he was a kid - so perhaps possible)
Moutinho (Good links with Sporting)
Simao (Perhaps too old now for Fergie's policy)
Bentley (different kind of winger - Blackburn could sell for the right money)
Wright-Phillips (Not likely, but might be easier to get)
Joaquin (Hasn't really lived up to the hype)

Bentley (different kind of winger - Blackburn could sell for the right money)
Wright-Phillips (Not likely, but might be easier to get)


I quite like the sound of those 2, but then I'm pro English. I wonder if he will snatch up a English player this summer, he's been grabbing the token Brit for every few foreigners it seems. Richards would be nice but then brown did well with gary coming back. Not sure Gary will last much longer, I noticed they grabbed him on as a pundit for the Euro's the other day. Seems he's starting to line up his next career move, maybe in case he gets injured again? There again teddy used to go on a lot nothing came of that.

Read an article in the Sun today. I was gob smacked that it was actually a good read haha. Check it out. Its talking about the Ronaldo situation and how some fans now think hes going to hell etc (H)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article1321357.ece

The only bit I didn't like was this statement

Well, so is this. Except Real are an even bigger beast. One that has won 31 Spanish titles and nine European Cups against United’s figures of 17 and three.

Our league being more competitive with different teams winning, our team getting wiped out. No English club taking part in the very first tournament due to football league rules. Since the 1960's British teams have won many more titles then the Spanish etc.

Ok, they had a run of five straight wins in the first five years of the tournament but that's a comment on the level of competition there was at the time. In the period since then 1960 they've won it four times, 6 if you include Spanish teams in comparison too 12 from the Brits.

doesn't seem right, that they go on about it.

I shall just point out that the Sun is a London based newspaper, and Steven Howard is particularly prejudiced against Man Utd. Also I will also point out that £25M he quoted is stupid.

Furthermore he goes on about the transfers of Ferdinand and Rooney - United never publicly pursued these players in the way Real do, United made a bid and then another and the clubs accepted it's called business - clubs reject offers but eventually the offer is high enough. Manchester United have stated time and again that they will not listen to offers (which Real haven't actually made a bid properly anyway) yet Madrid continued to talk about the "Ronaldo project"

In any case, in the cold light of day - it rather looks like the one pulling the strings all the time was the deceitful and devious Ronaldo.


In anycase I'm sick and tired of talking about Cristiano Ronaldo and Real Madrid - he is not a United player anymore as far as I'm concerned.

I think if Ronaldo goes, we will see the best from Rooney next season.

how about Agüero???

love watchin that kid
madrid im sure wud be willing to sell at the right price

Our league being more competitive with different teams winning, our team getting wiped out. No English club taking part in the very first tournament due to football league rules. Since the 1960's British teams have won many more titles then the Spanish etc.

Ok, they had a run of five straight wins in the first five years of the tournament but that's a comment on the level of competition there was at the time. In the period since then 1960 they've won it four times, 6 if you include Spanish teams in comparison too 12 from the Brits.

doesn't seem right, that they go on about it.

The reason Real Madrid have won so much is because they were the favorite soccer club of none other than Francisco Franco, Dictator/Regent(stand-in king) of Spain from 1936 to 1975. i would defy anyone to be competitive in that kind of climate.

15 out of their 31 domestic titles were won while he ruled and 6 of their 9 champs trophies.

now, once you subtract all the titles won under Franco, Madrid's title count starts to resemble much more closely those of all the other Byg clubs in Europe.

Must be nice being the only state funded Club in the league.

Robinho or Sneijder or Ramos +30-40m and we have a good deal.

The reason Real Madrid have won so much is because they were the favorite soccer club of none other than Francisco Franco, Dictator/Regent(stand-in king) of Spain from 1936 to 1975. i would defy anyone to be competitive in that kind of climate.

15 out of their 31 domestic titles were won while he ruled and 6 of their 9 champs trophies.

now, once you subtract all the titles won under Franco, Madrid's title count starts to resemble much more closely those of all the other Byg clubs in Europe.

Must be nice being the only state funded Club in the league.

To be fair to Madrid, you did just shed almost half a century of their history and they are still up there in line if not above the rest. Either way man, just don't worry what other fans think about their team. If they want to believe that Real Madrid is the biggest club in the world then let them be. History is something nobody can control or really argue about (unless its known from secondary sources only) and something that frankly should only be used as a learning tool for the future. The point is, we are the best right now, not Madrid, not Chelsea, not Inter or Barcelona, Manchester United is, so let's enjoy our time bro ;).

I naturally totally agree with you Help?

I would rather say we went for Messi giving Barca the players that Real give and 10 million subtracted from the amount they give.....I doubt how many clubs can cope up with the troubles that we went through our history.....old trafford getting destroyed in the world war(s), munich air disaster etc... as just some of the examples.......

New Away kit released....I don't like it....The texture seems very very cheap.....I don't think that blue goes well with the white...

New kit unveiled (http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7BB4CEE8FA%2D9A47%2D47BC%2DB0 69%2D3F7A2F35DB70%7D&newsid=6611460)
Better Pictures (http://store.manutd.com/stores/manutd/products/kit_selector.aspx?selector=229)

Well, the only reason it is blue is because of the 40th anniversary of us winning our first European Cup. The away kit can be used with white or blue shorts and this is probably the same for the new third blue kit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Zhirkov

According to Reports in Russia, He has signed a deal with English Premier League Champions Manchester United.

LOL. (H) Maybe Mr Gill, Mr Ferguson or Mr Queiroz is holidaying in Moscow?

All that aside, he is having a great tournament for Russia when he played left back. He bombs forward like Evra and he'd be ideal on the left. However, it'd very difficult to judge players on summer tournaments because then we would be saying that Benzema has been sh*t for France and we shouldn't go for him.

On a sidenote though, I have been thinking about the pros and cons of Ronaldo leaving but it's not nice since he is contracted to the club as yet.

What if you guys take the cash (in a cashONLY deal) from CR7 and buy that Ronaldinho fellow???

Ronaldinho under Sir Alex could be reinvigorated, plus I'm sure Nike would help since they sponsor United and Ronny (in regards to the appearance demands)

I could truly see this happening, we know Sir Alex has looked at Ronaldinho in the past. I'd be happy to see it to be honest. He's obviously happy to come to Manchester - so why wouldn't he jump at joining the best club in the city (and Europe - we are Champions) Plus we offer regular Champions League football - something that City are a couple of years from at least (and Milan are out this year too)

The only negative is whether United could accommodate his wage demands without wrecking the pay structure.


In other news, the media is claiming Carlos Tevez is unhappy that United have not made his transfer permanent and are claiming he may leave this year if this isn't sorted :rolleyes: - he does want to stay though (Y)

And in more positive news;

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1778_3721929,00.html

Lukas Podolski would be allowed to leave Bayern - and he'd be open to offers.

Speeking of russian players:
Andrei Arshavin is the one who has impressed me the most!
Guess he will be a "hot" target in the summer!

F*ck that Brazilian has been. He could have chosen United over Barcelona a few years ago and I'm not exactly open to the idea of him poisoning Anderson with his late night antics. Anderson is the future, not Ronaldinho.

F*ck that Brazilian has been. He could have chosen United over Barcelona a few years ago and I'm not exactly open to the idea of him poisoning Anderson with his late night antics. Anderson is the future, not Ronaldinho.

Anderson strikes me as being a level headed lad and his own man. The trouble is, Anderson is adapting to more of a box 2 box type player rather than the mini Ronaldinho he was at Gremio and Porto. We could let him go out wide to fill the wing position - but I feel he's better in the centre.

While we're talking about Ando - why not give Wazza the #7 and switch Ando to #10?

yeah and how about give van der sar 9 since it's his fave number, ooh and o'shea should like get number 1 cos he's just like totally the best player evar...
why the **** would they start swapping numbers around like that? rooney already swapped 8 for 10 last summer, and you've got to remember we're not talking about 11 year old kids with obsessions with different numbers.

Regarding numbers there are only one that has sentimental value and that is the number 7 (and nr 20 if it was up to me to decide)
u can always claim that it's 11 year old kid's obsession with number's but i still think the player's have there special numbers they would like to have on there shirt!

why the **** would they start swapping numbers around like that? rooney already swapped 8 for 10 last summer,

Because the number 7 at Manchester United is a special honour, Best, Robson. Cantona and Beckham have worn it with distinction. Therefore Wayne Rooney should have the number because he is our driving force and could be a United legend.

I don't advocate swapping numbers for the hell of it, but the idea of the number 7 being unfilled is not traditional. Even if R**aldo stays - he should be stripped of the number and someone more deserving should have it.

I like the traditions of the club to be maintained.

lol i'm obviously aware of the tradition of the number 7, it's just it seems like everyone makes too big a deal about technically trivial (although not emotionally trivial) things like this.

I'm with Veron on this one. At the end of the day its a number.