I preferred the 6-2 :D
But anyway, a good weekend for us, our goals were sublime.
With Arsenal drawing as well which is brilliant, although I do hope Eduardo will be able to play football again and makes a speedy recovery.

we love playing at St. James Park...where the toons cant even fart (H)

They are at their lowest ebb in their entire history at this moment. It would show more class if you managed not to gloat and showed some compassion for a great club in crisis.

cmon pede...we have had our low points as well, everyone makes fun of everyone when the time is right. Its our time to gloat after a thrashing ;)

heard this chant at a local restaurant where a group of utd supporters had just finished watching the game...go ahead, make fun of Toronto FC :(

go ahead, make fun of Toronto FC :(
they want João Pinto. (H)












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Everybody is so quick to criticise Michael Carrick if he has a below par game. So I'm going to give him a credit for how well he played today, I thought he was instrumental.

give me Carrick before ten Hargreaves...I always prefered him...although I admit Hargreaves is more skilled with the ball..

Hargreaves if you want somebody to keep somebody like Kaka quiet. Carrick for free flowing football. For me, Carrick. He has been in great form since January but was unfortunate to be benched for the inclusion of Scholes.

Class second goal for Rooney.

We suck.

If United win the title I think today will be a day Arsenal will want to forget. An injury which affected their players' performances, two controversial Birmingham goals and a pass to Bendtner that never was.

I'm not taking anything away from United though. Scoring 5 against any PL team is an achievement and remember, goal difference might turn out to be important at the end of the season, so todays goals might prove critical.

they want João Pinto. (H)












:(


Nice try Filli (H)







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Nice Birthday present for the weekend - Arsenal drop two points and United murder Newcastle (again)

Plus I was happy with the score in the Carling Cup final as well.

Hell, even Aldershot won again :amika:


Back to United matters though, I seriously believe that Arsenal are on the brink - just the body language of their players recently (especially Gallas' petulant display) although the Birmingham game could be attributed to the fact they saw a team mate carted off in the 3rd minute with a potential career ender. (And I sincerely hope the lad is alright)

I just think perhaps this week has tipped the momentum back in our favour, we took Newcastle apart last night and I can't help but think that this and the demolition of Arsenal at Old Trafford last week has given us the psychological edge.

I enjoyed the cup final as well :D .
We have Fulham away next week which really shouldn't be too difficult although anything is possible which is why we need to stay focused.

I enjoyed the cup final as well :D .
We have Fulham away next week which really shouldn't be too difficult although anything is possible which is why we need to stay focused.

Playing the "lesser" teams is what worries me - I find myself wondering if the boys play with the same intensity as they do in the top games (Just look at the points we've lost this season)

Hopefully the competition for places will ensure everyone is motivated though. Fulham were pretty poor yesterday incidentally, West Ham should have nailed them by more than one.

Oh i guess i am not supposed to say "i enjoyed it too", cos i am more than happy with Berba lifting the trophy. I couldn't stand Chelsea doing a CC double, since they played pretty sloppy at times.
Plus Robinson did a good game on Spurs' goal, considering his usual performances there. Almighty Berbatov though, i am so happy.

As of Fulham - they have a horrible campaign. I doubt they would be an obstacle on the way to the trophy.

Who knows. Remember West Ham last year?

No way Fulham are gonna pose any difficulties for us....
West Ham last year was basically a different proposition than this years's Fulham..So I think we will win and that too nice.
The defeat to Bolton could be very important for us come the end of the season..We should have won that game...

Even 3 points difference are doable. Don't forget the head-to-head game is at OT, so a win brings the winner upfront on direct game advantage.

After all, i expect Arsenal not to maintain the 3 pts difference, since they have attacking problems now, with Eduardo missing, so let's hope our guys do their thing. Arsenal will lose more points then us until the end of the campaign, that's for sure.

You guys should think back to Fulham last year.

Seriously, we shouldn't be taking the Fulham game lightly, since really stranger things have happened in football(cliché I know).
Remember Wolves, Norwich, Sunderland and many others including the last 3 West Ham games. I do think we will win but we should be cautious.

even though i think the fulham game is a sure one, theve just been really bad this season. i remember going to the game last year...first time watcing united live and i was on the fulham side :D

I fully expect us to win, but with the lyon game in mind, one or two players could be rested.

With the strength of the squad, and the "fringe players" recent performances - that doesn't bother me too much. As long as the United players' attitudes are correct and they apply themselves 100%.

Then tell Giggs to improve his performances.

yes, why can't giggs age backwards?..

Giggs' role in the team has changed over the past couple of seasons has changed. Anyone expecting him to make the amazing dribbling runs and creative play he used to a few years back is a fool. I think he's actually playing pretty well - against Lyon he was far better than Ronaldo.

Giggs' role in the team has changed over the past couple of seasons has changed. Anyone expecting him to make the amazing dribbling runs and creative play he used to a few years back is a fool. I think he's actually playing pretty well - against Lyon he was far better than Ronaldo.

I'm not expecting him to run in the wings dribbling past those defenders. But he could do with better ball retention and desire to go for the ball. He tries those fancy flicks and nicks but they never come off. He should do the basics first to keep the ball. And when he gives away the ball, always hands on hips and not chasing back for the ball. And I'm not basing against Lyon, but over the recent weeks.

I have to agree with Fernandez with Giggsy.He is a legend no doubt and I for instance,expect more from him.We know he has lost a couple of yards with his speed but that is pretty much it.I feel he does not influence the team enough when we needed him the most.I wished he was more like Dennis Bergkamp,gets better with age,every move is calculated,every pass is precision,do more with the ball etc.He isnt using his experience to the max yet and may we see that coming from him soon.He still takes crappy corners for instance.

He still takes crappy corners for instance.

that hasn't got to do with age, man..

Yes, as far as i can remember, he always took crappy corners. Either near post clearance or an easy catch for the keeper.

As if the opposition's players - say Fabregas- doesn't do crappy corners :D i felt laughing to the ground of Cesc's inability to deliver good corners during the Milan tie.. :D

But Giggsy does good free kicks from time to time.. (not pretty often this season sadly...)

http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/design05/DJ/20080301/mufc_AdrianDennis.jpg

No, not Photoshopped. That saturation effect looks great.

Really great win today! Nani seems to have found his feet. He is getting better and better. Hargreaves had a very good game together with Scholes and Park.

Great goal by Hargreaves (Y)

I liked second goal more though.

I liked the second goal too.Who knew little Park could jump that high and head the ball like that? Thats a striker's headed goal! I was like..what the park??!!! PARK!!!! Marvellous!

Where are all our people?? Its Champions League Night,The Final 16 for cryin out loud!! C'MON UNITED!!!

Exam Period, sorry :p .
Well, hopefully we'll abandon all ideas of a 5-man midfield and just attack them.

Yeah man sorry haha, I am also having an internship atm. I am always dead tired in the evening,

I am quite confident about today, we will win

Nani, Scholes, Hargreaves, Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez. Yeah i think Lyon is going home empty-handed.

Nani, Scholes, Hargreaves, Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez. Yeah i think Lyon is going home empty-handed.

Presumably that's the mideifled.....right?

So what...4-4-1-1?

Something like that. I'd call it 4-4-2, but you know how Ronaldo, Nani and Rooney play. It might be 4-4-2, might be 4-4-1-1 or 4-1-3-2 or 4-1-4-1 or 4-2-4 who knows? Main thing is that there will be some quick counter-attacks.

According to Soccernet, the midfield will be Nani, Ronaldo, Carrick and Fletcher.
With Anderson playing as well and no Tevez.
This would pretty much suck.

Yes, that's confirmed. No Tevez or Hargreaves....this is essentially your 4-0 FA Cup squad against Arsenal. The only swap is Ronaldo for Park.

Dammit eurosport got me all excited. I don't know about this line-up, on one hand it looks bad that we have only 1 striker, but on the other hand we got Ronaldo, Nani and Anderson. So we'll see what Fergie got up his sleeve.

Have faith in SAF (Y)

no, have faith in the Portuguese (H)..


oh yeah bitches don't think we don't know you owe us (6)

Far FAR too many wasted chances.

yeah wasn't too impressive. Job was done though. Who's next :D Arsenal through too. Beat AC at home. Hope Chelsea and Liverpool get through. All English final's would be nice :D

Tough.....there was a good chance of it happening last year.

Anyways, good win.

All English final's would be nice :D

No way man. Same country finals suck always.

Poor game tbh thanks to 4-5-1. We should have lined up with 4-4-2 and take the game to them. We got through, thats what matters.

No way man. Same country finals suck always.

Yeh both teams generally no how to cancel each other out and neither team will want to take too bigger risks throwing men forward.

some periods from the game yesterday were pretty bothering. Such a gray play sometimes, no ideas in the midfield. At the end of the game there were some chances to score more, but yet again Lyon are a quality side. Plus i think out lads didn't put too much strength into that game.. There are still 3 cups to fight for.. The biggest battles are yet to come..

Yeh both teams generally no how to cancel each other out and neither team will want to take too bigger risks throwing men forward.

I was thinking more along the line of a little English pride since we didn't qualify for euros. Not that the teams are that English :confused: :amika:

Another thing. Nani and his play acting is doing my nut in. Every friggin game, ******* drama queen, worse yet it seems to be effecting ronaldo in a bad way again. I saw them both go down yesterday grasping wrong parts of there body.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_8DWjAQ3ExIE/RtG_fQqVmKI/AAAAAAAAAIk/LHMy4i2P8bw/s320/nani_pathetic.jpg

its just embarrassing, not even eduardo made a face like that.

job done on to the next one

I was thinking more along the line of a little English pride since we didn't qualify for euros. Not that the teams are that English :confused: :amika:

Another thing. Nani and his play acting is doing my nut in. Every friggin game, ******* drama queen, worse yet it seems to be effecting ronaldo in a bad way again. I saw them both go down yesterday grasping wrong parts of there body.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_8DWjAQ3ExIE/RtG_fQqVmKI/AAAAAAAAAIk/LHMy4i2P8bw/s320/nani_pathetic.jpg

its just embarrassing, not even eduardo made a face like that.

I don't condone it but he will learn in due time. SAF needs to have a word with him.

Haha, both Nani and Ronaldo are anoying as ****s I admit, but damn 30 goals in 30 matches for a winger ? Ronaldo is "The Real World Player of the Year" man, screw FIFA !!!!!

If he wins the Champions League/Euro 2008, that will confirm it.

I don't know man, he might still need to score 30 more goals before season ends for FIFA to realize that he is the best.

lol yeah, he should of been world player of the year last year too. Sadly the award doesn't appear to go to exceptional performances through out the year, but rather someone who plays the odd few games well in the CL.

Dont get me wrong about Ronaldo and Nani, there both special players. Nani diving around like a fool needs to end. He will be so much better for it. Ronaldo was the same.

yes it's all a conspiracy against Ronaldo really...

Absolutely. The people that voted for FIFA best player were all closet England fans.

Its a joke no player outside of the Spanish and Italian leagues has ever one it. After all the pressure in the media recently though, they will have gone out there way to make sure someone outside wins it.

Ronaldo coming below messi last year, although scoring more, getting more assists and with messi out 3 months. Ronaldo also getting ranked above messi in europe (sorry its not europe anymore, world) lol.

Then theres that year Henry did better then Ronaldinho. Henry being the magic in arsenals unbeaten season. Yet Ronaldinho won it.

We could go on all day about it. Major tabloids hammered it last year though, the whole ac milan match fixing and being allowed back into the CL. Cant believe they got away with what they did, especially as its the 2nd time they been caught fixing! so I guess they will be "fixing" the WPOTY.


The competition could also be accused of placing too much weight on World Cup and UEFA Champions League achievements. For example, Davor Šuker, who finished as top scorer at the 1998 World Cup, was relatively unprolific at club level. Ronaldo, who won the award in 2002, had not played at all prior to the 2002 World Cup. Prior to the 2006 World Cup, Fabio Cannavaro was not considered to be in contention for the award. In the 2007-2008 season Kaká, despite having a hugely successful season in the 2006-07 Champions League, did not reach double figures with his goalscoring in the domestic league and was often rested before Champions League games, whereas many other players could not afford this luxury. Cristiano Ronaldo earned more domestic success by number of trophies than both Kaká and Lionel Messi combined, and also scored more goals than both. However, it would seem that Kaka's success in European competition outweighed the achievements of Ronaldo.

I think the fact that Ronaldo went missing in big matches didn't help either..........
really, why would u give $hit about who's the world player of the year award, if in you're mind he's the best, then he's the best, why would you need any acknowledgement from others..............if it was voted by fans, i'm sure Ronaldo would've won it.
IMO right now, as much as I hate him, he is the best player in the world.

I think the fact that Ronaldo went missing in big matches didn't help either..........
really, why would u give $hit about who's the world player of the year award, if in you're mind he's the best, then he's the best, why would you need any acknowledgement from others..............if it was voted by fans, i'm sure Ronaldo would've won it.
IMO right now, as much as I hate him, he is the best player in the world.

valid point, just niggles the hell out of me. I blame it on the Sun, all this anti Europe stuff brain washes me, pro £, Anti EU with the bloody french and germans political power and then the whole anti iraq, afgan stuff not that people in the UK aint anti war.... anyway :D :)

Talking about our top players. Was thinking about rooney recently, how hes been lacking a little form. Hes due a goal rush, pitty he seems to get a injury just as the goals start flowing. Anyway th reason I bring it up, I stumbled on this...

United this season With Rooney
Games 16
Wins 13
Draws 3
Losses 0
Goals For 41
Average Goals For 2.56
Goals Against 7
Average Goals Against 0.44
Win % 81%
Points per game 2.62

United this season Without Rooney
Games 10
Wins 5
Draws 1
Losses 4
Goals For 9
Average Goals 0.90
Goals Against 7
Average Goals Against 0.70
Win % 50%
Points per game 1.60

Is rooney that good for us? or is it because we haven't had the right striker to cover in his absence? Discuss

There is nothing conspiracy like toward Ronaldo

Just that FIFA is a high class organization. I doubt they would want a spoiled brat like C. Ronaldo be their poster boy.

A superclass player should be one not just on the field, but away from it too. A player that spends as much time with prostitutes as he does with a football isn't really appealing to FIFA i guess.

Don't get me wrong, i like Ronaldo the player. It's Ronaldo the human being which i have reservations with. That's why is so easy to love Kaka. He is one of the best in the world and keeps a very low key personality off the pitch.

Having that said if i had to pick between the two for my team i would have serious issues deciding. Any of the two would be awesome.

I'm glad you have all the facts..

lol, I didn't know he regularly visited prostitutes?!! He should get his blood checked since he shags birds on a day-to-day basis!!
:ends sarcasm
come on now, how do u know for sure what he does off the pitch.....
The Sun, Daily Mirror??!! those are all fictional and speculation/gossip newspapers right there!!

come on... if kaka was playing in the UK the Sun or some organisation would invent something. I can see it now... "Kaka, I belong to hoes". Although I agree with what your saying, never really crossed my mind. You got the church loving golden boy or the lad with a few blemishes. There was that supposed "rape" charge too.

But there again, look at Zidane he aint exactly know for his evangelical past.

I'm glad you have all the facts..

lol, that's what i thought.


Deisler: Since when is the Player of the Year Award about what you do off the pitch? I see what you are trying to say, but it shouldn't be judged on news people heard of the players outside of the game.

lol, that's what i thought.


Deisler: Since when is the Player of the Year Award about what you do off the pitch? I see what you are trying to say, but it shouldn't be judged on news people heard of the players outside of the game.

Tell that to FIFA. Remember the Maradona vs Pele award incident, the one which fans voted for Maradona?:junior:

We were robbed. I hate days when the footballing gods are against us.

The away team being given a penalty at Old Trafford? AND a red card? Surely not (H)!!

UNBELIEVABLE!! When its not your day its NOT your day! Pompey dont even deserve this win. The ball wouldnt go in for us...that carrick chance just summed up the day. we were absolutely luckless. I am gutted alright!

all that treble talk....now we gotta at least win the league. I just hope we dont end up trophyless.


And one more thing...why cant we just play the bloody 4-4-2 i just dont like when we play the 4-5-1 with one striker. Its ineffective. when tevez came off...there was simply no striker bcuz rooney kept failling deep.

The away team being given a penalty at Old Trafford? AND a red card? Surely not (H)!!

Sh*t happens. Ask any club.

(6)Ferguson(6) is PISSED!!!!!!!!

"It's absolutely ridiculous. I cannot explain it.

"Managers get sacked because of things like that and he's going to referee a game next week.

"Keith Hackett (general manager of the Professional Game Match Officials Board) has got a lot to answer for in this country. He's not doing his job properly.

"He should be assessed like everyone else is assessed. I'm assessed as a manager, the players are assessed, referees are assessed. Martin Atkinson will referee next week, no problem. But his performance today should not be accepted in our game.

"I agree with Sepp Blatter, the standards in our game as opposed to the Continent, the tolerance level, is behind Europe. I think it's a big problem.

"The game was decided by the decision not to give us a penalty. They had great confidence to hang on knowing the referee was on their side.

"Lassana Diarra had eight or nine fouls in the match. It's incredible. I've got to agree with Arsene Wenger. Someone is going to get a serious injury in our game. He's had one himself with Eduardo.

"It's not a nice thing to talk about but, the treatment Ronaldo is getting, I'm worried about him.

"Keith Hackett is in a nice, comfortable position and does nothing really. I don't think he makes a contribution to the referees' performances in our country.

"That should be addressed. He's not doing his job properly. That guy will go and referee next week no problem. You see his favourites always get the games and that's disappointing."

- www.bbc.com

Don't particularly feel sorry for Man U- makes a nice change for a penalty to be given at Old Trafford.

Have to say the red card was a bit harsh looked like there wasa couple of defenders on the line. Aso thought Rio might have saved the penalty looked like he was close to getting to it

Fergie is absolutely right. Who the hell was that a red card for Kuszchak? He wasn't the last different, infact he was third last. And how many keepers go out to intentionally trip players with their heads. The standard was just very very low. Diarra must have fouled at least 4 times before he got a yellow card and even then complained as if it shouldn't have been given.

Not much luck today and when you saw Pompey break with both United defenders going for the guy with the ball and leaving Baros all alone, you knew something was gonna happen. I can understand how Tevez didn't score his shot, but how did Carrick not score is beyond me as well. Evra had a great one on one as well but decided to pass across for some reason. Not our day, what can i say? Whatever, with like 10 EPL teams in the FA Cup its been coming.

Don't particularly feel sorry for Man U- makes a nice change for a penalty to be given at Old Trafford.


I'd be surprised if a Liverpool fan was.

Rooney has to show more composure...he has been woeful on one on one situations. nani showed inexperience today....his decision making at times was bad. Cant get over that defeat! DAMN!

on the bright sight ...at least barnsley made through in expense of chelsea

Not our day for sure :(

Saha was replaced by Park yesterday on the bench. He got crocked while warming up.

Saha is officially the lost cousin of Robben

OK what the ****. Am I the only one that doesn't think that should've been a penalty?And that Ronaldo push? ******* ridiculous.

Although we are not going through,I am getting a little bit of satisfaction knowing that none of the other BIG FOUR will neither win it.

I am really fearing for Ronaldo...I think that he is real danger of a big injury these days..Hope Fergie's words doing some justice to his talent....

Knowing that none of the other so-called big four are in it left makes me feel worse. Ask Chelsea fans, they will have the same feeling.

Anyway, I think Saha's time is up. I can't defend him much longer but just when we needed him for the most important stage, he gets himself crocked during warm-up. I think Rooney, Tevez and Manucho will be our strikers next season, and I hope Welbeck or Benzema is there too. Oh yeah, look out for Mirko Vucinic. I kinda rate him but I'm not a manager, so don't mind the doubts.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=514941&cc=4716

Looks like fergie's getting a ban...as usual the FA being 'proactive' and taking action. They should instead look into the ref's performance.Bloody cows!


http://www.goal.com/en-us/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=614373

is that man kidding me or what... what plan was it? his intentions was not to win the game and it reflected when he brought Utaka off brought on lauren. he was clearly shutting shop. Hope pompey get humiliated by one of the championship teams!

Knowing that none of the other so-called big four are in it left makes me feel worse. Ask Chelsea fans, they will have the same feeling.

hehe, but really m8, I think its quite amazing that none of us four are through, I think the draw really favoured the lower divisions, but take away nothing from them, I really hope that a club from the lower divisions win the FA Cup, if im not mistaken, only Pompey are in it. Boro lost to Cardiff too.
It really differs us to other Cup competitions where the winners are usually from the Top Divisions.

For fans of the lower divisions, they completely deserved this breakthrough, they've been patient supporting their clubs throughout all the bad times.

The depressing feeling will disappear soon enough, our teams still have got the CL and EPL to fight for.

Right - I'm furious about that travesty of a referee and the general attitude towards Man Utd shown by the FA.

1: It seems to me referees are going out of their way to deny United decisions at Old Trafford so they can say "I had the balls to do it"

2: United's players are subjected to some of the most vicious fouls going yet Rooney lunges in (missing the ball and the man by a yard) and automatically gets booked?

3: Guaranteed Ronaldo will be seriously injured soon - In the past we've had players stamp on him, step on his ankles (studs up) and smash him in the face (all unpunished) I seriously believe he will move abroad if he is continually put at risk by this officiating.

4: It's a crime to speak against the FA. That is ridiculous, why shouldn't a referee's performance allowed to be torn apart post match? Fergie will be up before the old farts at Soho square again. But he's right, the standard of control of matches is an absolute joke.

And that's without the Martin Tyler cheering for United's opponents (and constantly talking about his beloved Arsenal) Seriously, Sky's coverage of United games is hard to listen to.

I am really annoyed about this - Had Portsmouth have played better (they didn't) and scored a proper goal (rather than a penalty - or if United hadn't been screwed over) I would be able to say "well done, they did it"

However that is simply not the case. United should have had a penalty in the first five minutes, okay we might have missed - but the tempo would have been completely different. And yes Pompey were riding their luck too with several chances United had. But I could have taken that too - afterall we robbed Munich in 99, it happens.

One other thing: Was Paul Scholes alive on that pitch? He seemed to be about as animated as an Eastenders actress.

Sylvain Distin:

"If every time you touch a player it is a penalty, how do you defend?

"This is football - it is a contact sport.

"I went shoulder to shoulder with him. I was not going to move out of the way.

"If you cannot do this and you cannot do that, then you are not able to defend."

-www.skysports.com

---------------X--------------------

This could get ugly....fast. If it hasn't already.............

well,arse "lost" at jjb 0-0 so the weekend ain't all black!

Big thanks to Wigan and Chris Kirkland. This is really good news, though we should watch out since games in hand don't count for nothing, yet.

Sylvain Distin:

"If every time you touch a player it is a penalty, how do you defend?

"This is football - it is a contact sport.

"I went shoulder to shoulder with him. I was not going to move out of the way.

"If you cannot do this and you cannot do that, then you are not able to defend."

-www.skysports.com



I think Distin needs to go back to the footballing school again to finally figure out what shoulder to shoulder means. I'm not even gonna be talking about the fact that he was no where near the ball.


Funny thing is, Diarra fouled Ronaldo in exactly the same manner a minute before the penalty and he was penalised with a freekick, then a minute later exactly the same thing in the box, no call. Consistency at its highest.


Also, very glad to hear that Wigan took points of Arsenal, that should definietly help us with the title charge. This also means that IF Chelsea win their 2 games in hand, they will be only be 2 points away from Arsenal and right in the title race as well. Gonna be exciting finish.


Fernandez: why do you feel worse for the fact that none of the big four are in the semis of the FA Cup? Is it because that means that none of the big four have to play extra games, whereas United wouldn't have or for some other reason?

Mikey ol' lad calm down. :)

I think Fergie will deem the fine from the FA, worth every penny as it gave him an opportunity to have a real blast at the refereeing situation. He knows the score mate, and he would have decided that it would be worth it, even before he said it.

He like you though, should try to be a little more gracious in defeat, because nothing makes a non manc laugh more, than to see Fergie losing it and blowing his top.:$

meh, I just can't wait to see if he really goes for the bald look (H)

Well, eventually you gotta go for either that or a Trump-style combover look to make yourself look young. Question is which one you prefer.



Title race over? discuss!

heh, only 4 weeks ago.

Arsenal haven't won in the league for a month (H)

Arsenal haven't won in the league for a month (H)

Well we've still got to notch those points in hand ourselves, so I'm not celebrating yet.

According to MUTV, Jeff Winter has been whining to Sky and proposing United should have the same referee for their next game by way of punishment for Sir Alex's comments...

I'll see if I can find a link.



Here's another related story, Ronaldo is "scared to show his skills"

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_3262375,00.html

if that tackle by distin on gerrard or lampard...i can see the referee given the penalty to them...

Then you might be surprised to find out that Lampard has never had a penalty given in his favour, although I agree with you about Gerrard.

The thing is mate, this is now history and there is nothing you can do about it. All it will do is eat you up. Let it go because lets face it, Man U have had so many direct free kicks and penalties that they did not deserve again this season, that you look a little silly moaning about the one that you did not get.

And that article posted by Mikey in his last post, shows what a pathetic girlie Ronaldo is. If the EPL is too rough for the delicate little thing, then why not go back to a poofs league where he doesn't get his hair messed up on the pitch. He's a prima donna who thinks the world revolves around him, with an ego as big as his gob.

Its a shame that such a great player is such an immature crybaby. He makes your club a laughing stock in England.

I would be severly embarrassed to have a pussy in my club that makes these kinda noises in the media. You'll probably defend him because you think you should, but deep down everyone knows that this is just a pile of crap.

And that article posted by Mikey in his last post, shows what a pathetic girlie Ronaldo is. If the EPL is too rough for the delicate little thing, then why not go back to a poofs league where he doesn't get his hair messed up on the pitch. He's a prima donna who thinks the world revolves around him, with an ego as big as his gob.

Its a shame that such a great player is such an immature crybaby. He makes your club a laughing stock in England.


To be honest, i just fail to find anything in that article that would suggest Ronaldo is an immature crybaby? Is it the fact that he isn't happy about Distin completely tanking the **** out of him and not getting any kind of punishment for it? Or is it the part where he says that he might start playing with less skill because players don't get protected enough?

Both parts are absolutely right and i would actually like to know how you would feel if someone pulled an Eduardo on someone like Drogba or Lampard? Ronaldo is the most fouled player in the EPL, for 3-4 years we has been subject to tackles that could have easily broken his legs and many of them went unpunished, when he would go hard at somebody then it would be an immediate booking or even sending off. He got stomped into his chest this year and the guy got off unscathered like nothing happened. Is getting stomped just part of the game that all players should accept as normal? And its not just Ronaldo that's the victim, many other players have suffered as a result of potentially career-ending tackles in many different clubs with Barton leading the way in terms of attacks (even United are guilty of this, ex. Eagles).

And yet the only person i know that ever got really punished for such tackles is Roy Keane. Sure, his was 100% intentional, but that doesn't take away from the fact that we see bad tackles almost every other week and barely anything is being done, instead the FA says that they don't have the footage of the incident (which just means that they are too lazy to be bothered by this and want to go play golf already).

Ronaldo a crybaby, i beg you to differ. If anything he should be given an award for taking in all those fouls and attacks on him and still not be scared to continue with the dribbling and entertaining the crowd. Nani showed some amazing skill and talent against Arsenal a few weeks back, where in most countries people would have hailed such showing and yet in England, Nani was made as the bad guy and the fact that he entertained the crowd was bad. The crowd should have watched physical, boring, fighting game, rather than an entertaining one with all kinds of skills on show. Tell me i'm wrong.

And that article posted by Mikey in his last post, shows what a pathetic girlie Ronaldo is. If the EPL is too rough for the delicate little thing, then why not go back to a poofs league where he doesn't get his hair messed up on the pitch. He's a prima donna who thinks the world revolves around him, with an ego as big as his gob.

Its a shame that such a great player is such an immature crybaby. He makes your club a laughing stock in England.

I would be severly embarrassed to have a pussy in my club that makes these kinda noises in the media. You'll probably defend him because you think you should, but deep down everyone knows that this is just a pile of crap.

Personally I see your point to some extent, but we have to face up to the fact that football as a "man's game" is gone. However I can see Ronaldo's point in that an Arsenal player had his leg snapped in two just the other week (by admittedly an accident) and he's concerned that referees are just not coping with the modern game and players (particularly flair players) are at risk because of the speeds involved.

Now to be honest I'd love to see the old style of football come back when a player would get a whack and stand straight back up and then give some back in a tackle later on (but they were always "fair" challenges) at the cost of a word from the ref and a free kick.

The fact is though, football is now played by guys who are pampered from the age of 12 onwards, who have no concept of the real world and who are paid exorbitant sums of money. Just look around at how many players writhe in "agony" after a challenge only to be fine a minute later. Nani particularly annoys me in this regard - Ronaldo has had his moments too. Also though it seems that serious injury is at an all time high, maybe it's down to the ballet slippers that pass as football boots these days.

I don't want to see anyone get their leg broken, at the same time - players with sublime skills such as Ronaldo really add to our game. There has to be some kind of protection and a balance struck somewhere.

Just look around at how many players writhe in "agony" after a challenge only to be fine a minute later.

Yup, just like that Pompey player, Muntari or Diarra can't remember. Nani tapped his right foot slightly and he fell like a sack of potatoes screaming and yelling out while holding his left ankle. Everybody stopped playing and told Nani to kick the ball away, the second he kicked it away, the player got up and went back to his position like nothing happened. You could see Rooney giving Nani a talking about this shortly after the incident.

Also though it seems that serious injury is at an all time high, maybe it's down to the ballet slippers that pass as football boots these days.Those new vapors made of carbon fibre are a horrible idea. if it rips, you get basically fiberglass splinters only much finer and with really nasty barbs (if you have the misfortune of getting pierced by one). not pretty.

Its a shame that such a great player is such an immature crybaby. He makes your club a laughing stock in England.

I would be severly embarrassed to have a pussy in my club that makes these kinda noises in the media. You'll probably defend him because you think you should, but deep down everyone knows that this is just a pile of crap.

ronaldo a crybaby? If you ask me...he is the real deal. A real man with balls to actually remain in england after what happened in the world cup. He could have left england for good. But chose to stay...endure the jeers by almost the whole of england, proved those dickheads wrong with a remarkable season and bagged both the PFA player of the year and young player of the year! Courage with a capital C!

Thats not courage my friend. Thats arrogance and ego. Do not confuse the two.

I watched Robben get his leg intentionally broken at 'boro. Replays show quite clearly the intent of the challenge. This leg break changed Robben as a player forever. He became the pussy that you all now regard him as. Dodging tackles and diving away from defenders boots. Yup he lost his nerve.

So yeah, I do know what you are talking about, and it might be a good thing to look outside of only Man U, and realise that hard tackles against skillful players do exist for every club that has them. Saying that though, I do not want these special (not in my opinion), players treated any differently from any other player.

You lot talk as if Ronaldo is the first skilful player to play in England. Zola didn't have a problem with the tackling in the EPL. He relished it and he overcame it with his magnificent skills. Thats because he was a man in a mans game.

So instead of whinging like the baby he is, Ronaldo needs to adapt his game and get on with it, like many other more skillful players have done in the past. Either that or fu<k off and play where its much safer for the poor little lad.

The days of football being a physical game are not over and never will be, whatever you or your prima donna player would like to think.

So basically you are saying that he should stop dribbling or leave England.


Sorry man, but i just fail to see how you can accept the kind of tackles that are going on in EPL these days. And like i said United aren't the only victims by far.

It used to be a lot worse mate, and nobody complained like Ronaldo does.

Zola didn't stop dribbling did he? Maybe thats because Zola was a better player and a better man huh?

Who is Zola? What did he ever won? He was an old fart on his last legs with Chelsea.What makes him look so good was because he had crap players alongside him at that time.Try comparing Ronaldo with someone somewhat on par in terms of skills,speed,agility and finesse...ouh yah,a winger who can score 30 goals too.Comprende?

Zola didn't stop dribbling did he? Maybe thats because Zola was a better player and a better man huh?

So now we're going as far as to measure a man's worth based on how he copes with tackles in football? I believe you've officially just started talking out of your ass..

i think Zola was one of the best player's in the premier league at his best day's at chelsea!
anyway camparing the two would never cross my mind,two different players with very differen attitude!
when that is said i would like to point out that the tackles i have seen this season got to be some of the worst in the premier league history and there is a need to take actions to "clean "the game!
i am old enough to remember the old days before the premier league and the game was hard but so was the players!
most of the players in the league today are lightfooted players with dribblingskills and not the type of english players in the 70's and 80's so we have to accept the fact that the game change and so does the players.
i dont like the whining of nani and somtimes ronaldo but i guess the majority of players fake sometime's and i hate to see that.other times i see tackles so bad it hurts to see it on tv,and the ref's just flash there arms and tells the players to get up!
I loved the old days with hard playing fotball and hard player's but the game today is way more entertaining with fast and skillfulled player's!

Who is Zola? What did he ever won? He was an old fart on his last legs with Chelsea.What makes him look so good was because he had crap players alongside him at that time.Try comparing Ronaldo with someone somewhat on par in terms of skills,speed,agility and finesse...ouh yah,a winger who can score 30 goals too.Comprende?

lol, was wondering when the fanboys would come out to defend their whiny little winger!! pede wasn't comparing the two's abilities, rather their ways of coping with tackles in the premier league.

And just who the hell are u mate? Being a great player doesn't mean winning plenty of trophies, Cruyff never won the world cup yet he would always be mentioned in the same bracket as Pele and Maradona.

Mentioning Zola as an old fart during his time with us is actually a compliment to him, since he was already nearly 30 when started joining us, u can say that we would've been better if he joined as a 20 year old, since he did amazing things for us at his "old" age.

I could imagine as an old fart, Zola would fare better against Ronaldo when he also becomes an old fart.

@@shinji - he said "maybe", he's not using ronaldo's whiny reaction to tackles as a way to prove a man's worth, aren't u, pede? XD
But by right its his opinion, u can just disregard his opinion rather than say that he's talking out of his arse.

This thread is getting out of hand, lets get on to real news shall we,

Apparently the FA is asking for Sir Alex and CQueiroz to write a letter to them. (Regarding u know what). At least they're not getting a touchline ban, let alone a fine.

What i love is that they have no problem dealing with managers publicly and tarnishing their reputation as trouble-makers, but for referees they never mention a thing in the media, keep it all quite and save their reputation if not boost it by making managers apologize. Total bull****, gotta love the democracy in football.

Who is Zola? What did he ever won? He was an old fart on his last legs with Chelsea.What makes him look so good was because he had crap players alongside him at that time.Try comparing Ronaldo with someone somewhat on par in terms of skills,speed,agility and finesse...ouh yah,a winger who can score 30 goals too.Comprende?

Zola was one of the best strikers to ever play in the Premiership you retard.
The fact that he was older makes his achievements and the way he played all the more remarkable, I always loved to watch him play and score some magnificent goals.
I do agree that referees need to protect players more in general, some go over the top with their tackles as much as other players go over the top with their diving and playacting.
I also think it would help if the FA scrapped their rule about not punishing players who have been booked when the ref perhaps didn't see how bad a tackle actually was.

Then you might be surprised to find out that Lampard has never had a penalty given in his favour, although I agree with you about Gerrard.

The thing is mate, this is now history and there is nothing you can do about it. All it will do is eat you up. Let it go because lets face it, Man U have had so many direct free kicks and penalties that they did not deserve again this season, that you look a little silly moaning about the one that you did not get.

And that article posted by Mikey in his last post, shows what a pathetic girlie Ronaldo is. If the EPL is too rough for the delicate little thing, then why not go back to a poofs league where he doesn't get his hair messed up on the pitch. He's a prima donna who thinks the world revolves around him, with an ego as big as his gob.

Its a shame that such a great player is such an immature crybaby. He makes your club a laughing stock in England.

I would be severly embarrassed to have a pussy in my club that makes these kinda noises in the media. You'll probably defend him because you think you should, but deep down everyone knows that this is just a pile of crap.

If you think that tackles like Joe Cole's on Ronaldo are alright, then I hope someone like Rooney or Vidic breaks his legs at Stamford Bridge. Then we'll see who will moan.

we were talking about this very thing last week.

http://www.soccergaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145586&page=137

I totally agree that the diving etc needs to be put to a stop and Ronaldo but more particularly at the moment Nani can be the complete drama queen. Ronaldo sort of grown away from it in recent years like Drogba. Its all ******* embarrassing if your asking me.

But... Each of those players and anyone in the league needs to be protected from horrible fouls no matter who they are. Ronaldo getting knocked around is part of the game, it happens too all great players.

Look at pele, best etc some games they had the crap kicked out of them as players couldn't stop them it being important to get them out/locked from the game was/is important.

Every team does it. Every team has a player regarded as a threat to the other. Ferdinand and vidic for example put hard tackles in. I'm sure a lot of them have been dangerous and I'm sure there will be more too come. The game would be such a sissy fess if every tackle a player makes there having to double check the move. Perhaps would cause even worse injuries with hesitation causing miss timing.

I think they could a put all this to a end with video refs. Easy to decide if someone's diving for example or someone's been abused, did a ball cross the line etc. At the end of the day, injuries of Eduardo nature are not common place and never will be. I don't feel the game needs any great change but it would be stupid not to put to use the technology we have today and update some rules.

As for Ronaldo and the cry baby comment (H) give the guy a break, I'm sure if I was in ronaldo's shoes and felt I was getting knocked around a lot I'd voice my concerns especially after what happened to eduardo. Its human nature too object to things especially things you fear (bone crunching tackles). Where would we be today if we took **** from everyone. But at the same time there are limits and hate over exaduration if players are that bothered perhaps they should go play netball.

When you are 22, regarded as the best player in the world and other players publicly state that they are out to hurt you, yeah you are not gonna sit back and laugh it off. Bad tackles happen to almost everybody, but with Ronaldo its much higher than the typical average. Calling Ronaldo a crybaby is nothing more than ignorant. Case closed, move on.

If you think that tackles like Joe Cole's on Ronaldo are alright, then I hope someone like Rooney or Vidic breaks his legs at Stamford Bridge. Then we'll see who will moan.

By saying that, I just lost every ounce of respect I had for you, I myself condemn people breaking other people's leg.
and how the fook did this get to Joe Cole?

Liverpool got thru, must've pissed the hell out of ya Mancs.;)

on a lighter note....

I was watching some videos on carlos tevez and realised how he has totally changed his style of play to suit the EPL and united. He has never been the out and out CF. Tevez is a playmaker.. and i remember at the world cup 2006 he was pulling the strings for argentina. Hes not a goal machine. We have yet to see the best of him. I was reading the redissue forums and some of them were comparing him with Torres which is unfair IMO.

Hahaha! Looks like my digs on Gianfranco Zola caused some commotion here.Take a chill pill...I knew who he was and I was already around rooting for United when he joined Chavski.He was one of the best foreign players ever to grace the Premiership in my opinion.Too bad,Chavski did not win anything when he was around.Sorry! *Touche*

I was not defending Ronaldo but comparing him to Zola is way off.

Phrase, You wasn't even born when Zola played for Chelsea. Either that or you never ever saw him play. You sunshine, we all know to be a fan boy and your opinions about football remind us of how ignorant you are about the subject. So just keep wanking off to that CR poster on your bedroom wall, and leave the serious conversations to the rest of us you mug.

Fernandez, that was disgraceful. 'nuff said.

Help, i really didn't have you down as being so myopic on the subject of Man U. I thought you could at least be objective. You sound like Phrase sometimes.

adedawson. Top post mate, and as usual calm and sensible and fair. Guys like you are too rare around here.

By saying that, I just lost every ounce of respect I had for you, I myself condemn people breaking other people's leg.
and how the fook did this get to Joe Cole?

Liverpool got thru, must've pissed the hell out of ya Mancs.;)

Oh yeah, maybe you were one of them still mourning over the loss of Mourinho until you missed the match. I wouldn't wish upon anyone to break his leg, unless that person intended to break another one's, a la Joe Cole.

Maybe Ronaldo is getting this kind of treatment because he's simply too good.

adedawson. Top post mate, and as usual calm and sensible and fair. Guys like you are too rare around here.

Cheers m8


Maybe Ronaldo is getting this kind of treatment because he's simply too good.

of course that's why, it happens to all great players and players teams perceive as a the biggest threat or threats. To say Ronaldo gets it any more then any other 'maybe' the case but only as at the moment he is arguably one of the best in the world and you wouldn't expect anything less. We'd want the same if the roles were reversed our players to rough up Adeboyer, Drogba or KaKa for example.

At the end of the day Ronaldo will always have added attention in games, its a con to being a great player and I'd hate to see him get injured but its part of the game and as mentioned before serious injury is rare case and always will be. To insinuate wanting this aspect from the game removed would make it a truly boring one.

I take Solace in knowing that Ronaldo would get out the way if he see's rough tackles in coming, you see it every week him avoiding compromising situations and you see other people doing the same resulting them in getting knocked around a bit. The problem comes when people put in stupid tackles. Coming from behind or the side, high tackles etc those guys need punishing and rightly do.

Sometime's he gets roughed up and should get a fouls that don't get called but maybe if he hadn't cried wolf in his younger years refs wouldn't be worried about giving him a free kick, penalty etc when at the back of there mind there thinking, did he dive. All in all hes a victim of his own success and past attitudes.

As ade said, that is exactly why Ronaldo must be controlled on the pitch, because he is a major threat to the opposition. This happens to ALL good players. That's what a game of football is. Ask Rio or Vidic or even Brown. JT is a hard tackler but he has never ever, caused another player a serious injury. It's the same for all good defenders who know how to tackle properly.

Some players can't tackle well and thats a fact. Joe Cole, like Paul Scholes is not a great tackler. They are OK head on, but when tackling from behind or from the side they invariably foul their opponent. I'm sure neither of those players have it in them to intentionally break anyone's leg, and its absurd to suggest it.

Help, i really didn't have you down as being so myopic on the subject of Man U. I thought you could at least be objective. You sound like Phrase sometimes.


You call Ronaldo a crybaby and have nothing to support it. To me that sounds like all those children that never pay attention to the game except when their team has the ball and then go online and write "this and that is so crap, he sucks and this guy should just retire, (insert their team's player here) is miles better than any of them. Yeah, i'm not gonna be happy with anyone calling Ronaldo a crybaby, its unfounded, uncalled for and based solely on the fact that Ronaldo cried after he lost a EURO championship to an underdog in his own country at the age of 19, during his first ever official national competition. We moan at referees for not using common sense and yet fail to use one ourselves, that's hypocritical.

Nothing to back it up, are you serious man? He is whinging to the media about how rough it is in England, and how sorry we will be if he fu<ks off somewhere else. He needs to drop the bullsh1t and just get on with earning his money, and be a man in a mans game.

This has nothing to do with him crying at the Euro's, that was an emotional moment and we can all identify with that. This is about crying to whoever will listen, about how the poor little lad is treated so unfairly and needs special protection or he might leave your club. Thats the crying I am refering to. It was not meant literally, but I think you already knew that.

Seriously, I would be so fu<king embarrassed if a Chelsea player carried on like this prima donna does. It's just so girly, it's just so Ronaldo, and thats why all non Mancs know it's all a crock of sh1t.

Nothing to back it up, are you serious man? He is whinging to the media about how rough it is in England, and how sorry we will be if he fu<ks off somewhere else. He needs to drop the bullsh1t and just get on with earning his money, and be a man in a mans game.

This has nothing to do with him crying at the Euro's, that was an emotional moment and we can all identify with that. This is about crying to whoever will listen, about how the poor little lad is treated so unfairly and needs special protection or he might leave your club. Thats the crying I am refering to. It was not meant literally, but I think you already knew that.

Seriously, I would be so fu<king embarrassed if a Chelsea player carried on like this prima donna does. It's just so girly, it's just so Ronaldo, and thats why all non Mancs know it's all a crock of sh1t.

So again, we are back to square one where we were 2 pages ago and where i wrote a huge post about this that went unanswered. See, because you hate him you exaggerate his emotions by saying that when he talks to the media, he is whinging and then because of that you make a connection with a crybaby. How do you know he was whinging? Maybe when he made the comment he looked like a man on a mission that was about to beat the **** out of somebody? Maybe he was laughing when saying that? And yet your conscience automatically assumed that he was whinging and you probably had a picture in your mind with him crying or something when making that comment. You say that the EURO plays no part in this and yet now when everybody is talking about Ronaldo everybody says he is crying, its in their subconscience even when they are not thinking about the incident because after 2004 people started associating Ronaldo with the word crying. Before the EUROs nobody even thought about something like that when Ronaldo was talking in the media.


I'm too lazy to write that thing up again so here:
To be honest, i just fail to find anything in that article that would suggest Ronaldo is an immature crybaby? Is it the fact that he isn't happy about Distin completely tanking the **** out of him and not getting any kind of punishment for it? Or is it the part where he says that he might start playing with less skill because players don't get protected enough?

Both parts are absolutely right and i would actually like to know how you would feel if someone pulled an Eduardo on someone like Drogba or Lampard? Ronaldo is the most fouled player in the EPL, for 3-4 years we has been subject to tackles that could have easily broken his legs and many of them went unpunished, when he would go hard at somebody then it would be an immediate booking or even sending off. He got stomped into his chest this year and the guy got off unscathered like nothing happened. Is getting stomped just part of the game that all players should accept as normal? And its not just Ronaldo that's the victim, many other players have suffered as a result of potentially career-ending tackles in many different clubs with Barton leading the way in terms of attacks (even United are guilty of this, ex. Eagles).

And yet the only person i know that ever got really punished for such tackles is Roy Keane. Sure, his was 100% intentional, but that doesn't take away from the fact that we see bad tackles almost every other week and barely anything is being done, instead the FA says that they don't have the footage of the incident (which just means that they are too lazy to be bothered by this and want to go play golf already).

Ronaldo a crybaby, i beg you to differ. If anything he should be given an award for taking in all those fouls and attacks on him and still not be scared to continue with the dribbling and entertaining the crowd. Nani showed some amazing skill and talent against Arsenal a few weeks back, where in most countries people would have hailed such showing and yet in England, Nani was made as the bad guy and the fact that he entertained the crowd was bad. The crowd should have watched physical, boring, fighting game, rather than an entertaining one with all kinds of skills on show. Tell me i'm wrong.

Oh yeah, maybe you were one of them still mourning over the loss of Mourinho until you missed the match. I wouldn't wish upon anyone to break his leg, unless that person intended to break another one's, a la Joe Cole.

Maybe Ronaldo is getting this kind of treatment because he's simply too good.

If its about the Joe Cole tackle in the Man Utd match which u guys won against 10 men, then yeah, I didn't miss it. Joe Cole is horrible tackler like Scholes, but to hope that Rooney or Vidic breaks his leg, is bollocks to me. I'd never want one of our players to get out and hurt your players, even if I don't see Ronaldo in the same light as u do.

Its not maybe, its definite thats he's getting this kind of treatment because he's too good. He said it himself in an interview(after a Boro match last season, if I'm correct), i remember, he said, "Maybe I'm too good." I'm sure u all remember that one. By saying that, unbeknowingly, he made himself an open target, and thats just unfortunate for him I'm afraid.

He was targeted and may i add publicly (as in players going to the media and blatantly saying that they might try to hurt or injure him in the game to stop him) long before that Boro game.

He was targeted and may i add publicly (as in players going to the media and blatantly saying that they might try to hurt or injure him in the game to stop him) long before that Boro game.

Alright, maybe he was but u can't deny what he said added further to what he was facing at the time. Like I said, others have taken his comments wrongly, and thats just unfortunate for him.

No i'm not denying that, you are absolutely right.

Seriously, I would be so fu<king embarrassed if a Chelsea player carried on like this prima donna does. It's just so girly, it's just so Ronaldo, and thats why all non Mancs know it's all a crock of sh1t.

I think you maybe taking him out of context somewhat, is this deriving from that report?

He said: "Sometimes I say that this is the best league in the world, but sometimes they don't protect the skilful players.

"After what happened to the Arsenal player (Eduardo da Silva), I am scared to do my skills.

Unbelievable

"The referee against Portsmouth was unbelievable. In the first five minutes, there were three fouls and he took no action and then he failed to give a penalty. It's difficult to play like this.

"Sometimes they just protect the defenders and I am thinking about having to change my game because it is difficult to play like that.

"Diarra did not even try to play the ball when he tackled me and he wasn't even booked. It's a joke.

"So often, there were fouls and the referee did nothing."


Its not like he says this stuff week in week out. Was said after losing A game he felt they should of won. Ronaldo's come a long way and is a great player. He said some things because he's worried and rightly so. As mentioned before he's just trying to protect himself, anyone would do the same.

Although I strongly feel he wouldn't be having these problems if he didn't used to dive around. Refs have it in the back of the head "did he dive". He's a victim of his past mistakes.

Anyway he's young people say stupid things when put under pressure, these comments aren't common place and just coming in the wake of Eduardo, wenger & fergie.

If its about the Joe Cole tackle in the Man Utd match which u guys won against 10 men, then yeah, I didn't miss it. Joe Cole is horrible tackler like Scholes, but to hope that Rooney or Vidic breaks his leg, is bollocks to me. I'd never want one of our players to get out and hurt your players, even if I don't see Ronaldo in the same light as u do.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxG6OaQUCgI

I understand he is a horrible tackler, but come on do you really think he went for the ball here?

This topic is mute and should end every team does it even us on many occasions.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39864000/jpg/_39864122_keano270.jpg
perfect example.

In the hope to change this dire subject...

Manucho (http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={B4CEE8FA-9A47-47BC-B069-3F7A2F35DB70}&newsid=540186)

After the success of the African nations and pre cup friendlies and now scoring on his debut for Panathinaikos its looking more likely they found a real Gem.

Cant wait till next season. An added striker or 2 is just what were missing. Maybe we could get that treble next year. :D

The goal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PK96b5Tsds) - Nothing too special, but he's continuing to score.

He was completely unmarked though it was still very well taken.
Looking forward to seeing him in a red shirt next year.

I understand he is a horrible tackler, but come on do you really think he went for the ball here?

Its not about whether he went for the ball or not, I said I didn't wish for any of our players to hurt opposing players, its not something we should want to see in the game.

Like adedawson said, every team does it even if we don't like them doing so, so there.

About Manucho, he looks like something big for future. Hope he enjoys his stay there longer than u guys hope.

Manucho is looking like a promising addition. I saw Rodrigo for the reserves yesterday and I was wondering whether Rafael and Fillipe (the twins from Brazil) have joined us yet as I thought they were supposed to come over in January.


BTW: Daily Express reckon Tevez will cost £37M.

SAF said they have already agreed a fee much cheaper than that.

I forgot he's only on loan. I wonder if they plan to buy a 5th striker considering the position of saha.

I forgot he's only on loan. I wonder if they plan to buy a 5th striker considering the position of saha.

In all honesty United have to buy a striker in the summer and offload Louis - I mean the guy is made of glass. It's a shame because I really rate him as a top class player, but he simply is not reliable.

We'll be linked with every player who scores a goal from now till EURO2008 ends, but the player I'd love us to get is Dimitar Berbatov. Karim Benzema looks a good player too, but Lyon have a history of playing silly beggars with us and I could see Benzema going to Chelsea or Arsenal ahead of United (although I believe he wants to go to Spain first)

I think everyone agrees we missed the boat with Torres last summer.

Not really. It was either Torres or Tevez and Anderson/Nani. The board wouldn't agree to spend all that money on Anderson, Nani, Hargreaves, loan Tevez and get Torres as well. If we had Torres, then we wouldn't have had Tevez. So really its who do you want more?

Can't believe we spent that much over the past two seasons under the Gimps.

To be honest, apart from the ridiculous debt they have been pretty good.

Rafael and Fillipe (the twins from Brazil)
i'm pretty sure it's Fabio (Y)

i'm pretty sure it's Fabio (Y)

You are correct Sir, I bow to your superior intellect :Bow:


In any case - any news on the twins yet? They look really promising from what I've seen.


Draw's been made for the UCL Quarter Finals

Champions League quarter-final draw:
1 Arsenal v Liverpool
2 AS Roma v Man Utd
3 Schalke 04 v FC Barcelona
4 Fenerbahce v Chelsea

Champions League semi-final draw:
1 Arsenal/Liverpool v Fenerbahce/Chelsea
2 Schalke/Barcelona v AS Roma/Man Utd


I had a feeling we'd get Roma - I have an uneasy feeling Roma may be about to exact revenge for the mauling we handed them last year.

Then Schalke or Barca in the Semi, meaning that we are more than likely to meet a Premiership rival in Moscow. (I can't see Fenerbahce really beating Chelski)

me too i think chelsea will beat fenerbache but mmm never know.

i hope the see manchester/barça in 1/2 jojo wath a football spectacle

mikeyM: g.best looks like fernando alonso in your sign xD

lol, Roma again?!! U guys are lucky!!(hehehe, sarcasm?? we'll see)
We've got Fenerbahce, a team that could trouble us, best of luck, hope it will be us both in the final, with us handing a thrashing to u guys of course....hehehe

Zakov..Even if Chelsea beat us in the Finals..it won't be a thrashing...be assured about that...

I had a big feeling that we will get Roma this time again.That is what has happenned.That might come back hard at us for revenge after what happenned last year.

lol, didn't u get my sense humour, of course there won't be thrashing but i sure hope there'll be one!!

Roma will be tougher than last time, however i still expect us to beat them.

First leg is away, that's what Fergie wanted.

yep and crucially if we get through....the semi final 1st leg is away as well. So we got a big chance. Hope we dont blow it. But i have got to say... Barca got the luck of the draw this season.... first celtic now shalke.... nice passage to the semi final.

Chelsea haven't done too bad with Fenerbahce and Olympiakos either...


EDIT: Evans faces no charges over the Christmas party rape incident.

Not a bad draw but not a good one either because they will have known which of our players to look out for. Can't be overconfident because they have grown stronger for the past 3 months and it will also depend on how close they are to Inter. Anyway, I like this Luciano Spaletti (sp?). He puts out a full team in a match that counts for nothing just to win the match. That's the winning mentality that SAF should go with. If we play for a draw, we will lose it.

And look out for this name, Vucinic. He's a Montenegrin who scored against us last year. Everyone is hyping about Benzema that they forgot there are other strikers capable of doing a quality job for United.

agree Fernanadez...Vucinic is something to watch out for but i am confident about our team

should be an interesting game for sure...but first, derby county tomorrow

Chelsea haven't done too bad with Fenerbahce and Olympiakos either...

lol, I admit we got a good draw so far, but I don't think that Fenerbahce is the same type of team as Olympiakos, I'd rather draw Schalke than Fenerbahce...

Is it just me or why are Utd fans talking about signing players from the teams that they are facing, e.g - Benzema(vs Lyon) now Vucinic(vs Roma)...
not that I'm saying its wrong or anything but have respect for the opposing team's fans, know what i mean......you've guys got probably the best playing front 4 players..........and you've got Manucho coming back as well

The Roma team we rolled over at OT last season is playing much much better football now.Having said that,we have also grown in strength.

Roma's 4-5-1,'No-Striker' formation is really something.I think they are one of the few if not only big european team to use this formation successfully.The way they wrap up Real Madrid home and away was truly classic.Soak and strike,counter attacking football.

I agree with Mirko Vucinic being quality.He's ordinary to be honest but he has that knack of scoring goals,being at the right places and playing the right passes.Kinda reminds me of Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.I think we were looking at him a couple of months back.

The Brasilian twins Rafaele and Fabio are already with us.They moved to england with their family a month ago.I think they are currently training with our youth team before making a mark with the reserves.Also look out for Rodrigo Possebon.He might make a good partner with Anderson in our midfield in the future.

What do you know about us? I've watched both Benzema and Vucinic way before the media overhyped/will overhype them. And it's pure coincidence that they will face us. What's next? Kenny Miller?

Damn roma again. Beating them last year, and this year in the group stages, then having to face them again. The law of averages would suggest there due a win, what's this the 5th game?. Got a bad feeling about this one. Hope we can beat them.

*Edit*

two sides will have met six times in 12 months.

AS Roma 1-1 United (Group F)
United 1-0 AS Roma (Group F)
United 7-1 AS Roma (CL Q/F 2)
AS Roma 2-1 United (CL Q/F 1)

Its been quite close each time other then that 7-1 thumping. Not that I think that's a reflection of skill deference.

Don't forget 1-1 was our reserves doing the job.

what the heck are we playing..... totally WASTEFUL!! the more we delay our opening goal...the more encouragement derby will get. Giggs should be subbed ASAP!

Carrick should have started. Strongest 11 all the time please unless injuries or suspensions.

Giggs is pathetic. I've had enough of sticking up for him. Time for Nani to play every game.

Giggs was the worst player on the pitch and yet SAF takes park off who was lively. Lucky escape for us. Although i have to say we were pretty unlucky at times.

Viva Ronaldooooo!!!! Viva Ronaldoooooo!!!! (8)

Nice Thanks Foster (Y)

only 1-0 against derby? that's pretty lame/lucky

Seriously, you have no idea about the game. It's games like these that are really important to win when we're not playin very well and still get a result.
That's the hallmark of champions.
And I must say, I am a little disappointed with Derby, they've absolutely capitulated in almost every game they've played and then they're up against us and play their hearts out. F*cking typical, why the hell don't they play like that every week?
It's Leeds in 1996 all over again...
Giggs really wasn't good today either, I couldn't believe he stayed on the park all through the game...

Just look at our record against the smaller teams - I think to some teams beating United is more of a priority than staying in the league. Also I can't help but feel United just don't give these games as much attention as they should. Given a match against a top team, or a smaller team (like Derby) I'd be more confident of a United win against the bigger team - because I know the United players will raise their game. I just don't have the feeling United's players play every game with the same effort.

A very lucky win for us today and so far it's looking good with l'Arse trailing by a goal. We played very bad today, but I am happy our lads kept going. It just wasn't a good day for most of the lads.

Giggs was very disappointing. If he plays like this, I hope he doesn't start on Sunday.

A very lucky win for us today and so far it's looking good with l'Arse trailing by a goal. We played very bad today, but I am happy our lads kept going. It just wasn't a good day for most of the lads.

They'll probably equalise in the 90th minute or something :-puke:

Close but it was the 86th they equalised in :(


Still ......

WE ARE TOP OF THE LEAGUE (with a game in hand) :lui::lui::lui::lui:

HFPU2CooBfs

only 1-0 against derby? that's pretty lame/lucky

thats 3 points ;)

^ that's the only thing I care about now tbh. Arenal slipped again and we didn't.

We're playing our next three games at home. The game in hand is going to be played on Wednesday against Bolton.
A win is crucial.

We're playing our next three games at home. The game in hand is going to be played on Wednesday against Bolton.
A win is crucial.

I hope we hammer them.

We have lots of players with good records against them, especially Rooney. Hope he scores and gets himself back on track, he's looked a shadow of the player he was 2 years ago.

HFPU2CooBfs

What's the words to the new "Ronaldo" song?

You mean this one......?

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I hope we hammer them.

We have lots of players with good records against them, especially Rooney. Hope he scores and gets himself back on track, he's looked a shadow of the player he was 2 years ago.

To be honest, IMO I think that Rooney hasn't done too badly this season, his link -up play with Tevez and Ronaldo and Nani/Giggs has been great this season, his movement is good, he's usually at the heart of every Utd attack whereas Ronaldo is always at the end of things........
I think Rooney's been overshadowed by the amount of goals Ronaldo scored this season, but honestly IMO, teams would fear your team a lot less if you don't have Rooney rather than Ronaldo.............thats what I think at least....

To be honest, IMO I think that Rooney hasn't done too badly this season, his link -up play with Tevez and Ronaldo and Nani/Giggs has been great this season, his movement is good, he's usually at the heart of every Utd attack whereas Ronaldo is always at the end of things........
I think Rooney's been overshadowed by the amount of goals Ronaldo scored this season, but honestly IMO, teams would fear your team a lot less if you don't have Rooney rather than Ronaldo.............thats what I think at least....
No...

Ronaldo is Manchester United, if not, the world's best player right now. Always at the end of things ? He was the one that always orchestrate every single United attack, and all of his goals came from his work-rate on the pitch. Ronaldo is like Kobe for the LA Lakers right now. I just not sure wheter he still got anything left to give comes Euro 2008...

Viva Ronaldooooo...
Viva Ronaldooooo...
Running down the wing
Hear United sing
Viva Ronaldooooo... (8)

No...

Ronaldo is Manchester United, if not, the world's best player right now. Always at the end of things ? He was the one that always orchestrate every single United attack, and all of his goals came from his work-rate on the pitch. Ronaldo is like Kobe for the LA Lakers right now. I just not sure wheter he still got anything left to give comes Euro 2008...

Yeah sure, Ronaldo is a great player but I think your missing what Rooney does for the team. End of the day we wouldn't be where we are without either player. And I agree Rooney is being over shadowed by ronaldo's quality form.

Ronaldo
Played 35 scored 31 Assists 4 :O

Rooney
Played 31 Scored 13 Assists 10

Rooney Last season
Played 55 scored 23 Assists 16

Ronaldo last Season
Played 53 scored 23 Assists 20


Maybe a little low for Rooney's standards, but he has had to stop start a lot just as he gets to goal scoring form. He's due a Flurry of goals soon, I'm sure he will get it before season's out. He's roughly got another 20 games. I think he "could" net more goals then last year, but with the way Ronaldo's hammering them in it will be hard.

Why wasn't Tevez on the bench yesterday?
Was he just being rested?

Yeah sure, Ronaldo is a great player but I think your missing what Rooney does for the team. End of the day we wouldn't be where we are without either player. And I agree Rooney is being over shadowed by ronaldo's quality form.

Ronaldo
Played 35 scored 31 Assists 4 :O

Rooney
Played 31 Scored 13 Assists 10

Rooney Last season
Played 55 scored 23 Assists 16

Ronaldo last Season
Played 53 scored 23 Assists 20


Maybe a little low for Rooney's standards, but he has had to stop start a lot just as he gets to goal scoring form. He's due a Flurry of goals soon, I'm sure he will get it before season's out. He's roughly got another 20 games. I think he "could" net more goals then last year, but with the way Ronaldo's hammering them in it will be hard.

I am not saying that Rooney is less important. In fact I think people miss-understood what Rooney is all about for the team. That kid was never meant to get 30 goals plus per season. He is a forward that makes plays for his partner, do all the dirty work up front and literally raping opponent's ass all over the pitch. So far this season I think he does good with his job.

Rooney is an important part for us, but when we need a player that can change the game with one magical move, it's Ronaldo we turn our heads to.

I am not saying that Rooney is less important. In fact I think people miss-understood what Rooney is all about for the team. That kid was never meant to get 30 goals plus per season. He is a forward that makes plays for his partner, do all the dirty work up front and literally raping opponent's ass all over the pitch. So far this season I think he does good with his job.

Rooney is an important part for us, but when we need a player that can change the game with one magical move, it's Ronaldo we turn our heads to.

Well, thats your opinion m8, then fine...Ronaldo is a great player and one of the best in world IMO....but considering that there are occasions where Ronaldo gets missing in big matches.....don't get me wrong, everyone has an off-day but usually the great players turn up for vital matches, example, take against Milan(CL SF, his goal was Dida's mistake) and us(FA Cup) last season for example........where was Ronaldo then? It was Rooney you guys turned to.
but this is just my opinion, i'm not shoving it down your throats, its what i feel, and i think i'm entitled to express my opinion.

I do agree with what Rooney does and the fact that its not helping him rack up goals but like u said, he is important in his own way.

cheers

Rooney and Ronalso cannot be compared just as a lemon and an orange cannot be compared.

Both of them are great players in their own right and have done a lot for our club.

I don't know why people say that Ronaldo is not a big match player.Have we forgotten the world cup semi final in 2006(Portugal v/s Italy,I think).I also think he played better than any other player on the pitch that day but as Italy were a better team they won.

As per the Champions League matches against Milan the weight of expectations on Ronaldo's shoulders were far greater than those of Kaka(for obvious reasons).He could'nt live up to that and so he did not have an upto the standard match.He really needs to get it right though.

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no one's comparing them mate, i'm only debating on which would an opposing team would prefer to face, and for the record, it was Portugal against France, it was the match where I really felt sorry for him(CR7 crying at the end after they lost and got snubbed at young player awards), since the media was all over him at the time(for the incident involving Rooney ironically)...
i'm saying at club level btw, i don't think he's proved himself against the top teams in Europe, but he does have all the time in the world to do so in the future.........

Viva Ronaldooooo...
Viva Ronaldooooo...
Running down the wing
Hear United sing
Viva Ronaldooooo... (8)

I like it! Just been watching Ronaldo's debut (against Bolton) on MUTV - He ripped them to shreds! I remember being so excited when he stepped on the pitch with the memory of him destroying United only a week earlier fresh in my mind.

I was a bit mad at Scholesy for taking the goal instead of squaring it for him! (our third)

I remember that. 4-0 wasn't it?
I remember Van Nistelrooy missing quite a few chances(a penalty too I think) and then smashing the last one home.

I remember that. 4-0 wasn't it?
I remember Van Nistelrooy missing quite a few chances(a penalty too I think) and then smashing the last one home.

Yeah, that's the one. I thought the ball would burst the net when he blasted it. Also featured United's first freekick "AD" "After David" as the commentator pointed out (Clive Tyldesley did the game on ITV)

Ryan scored it BTW.


I'd take 4-0 tomorrow!

Guys,
Is Anderson usually in the starting 11...?

Depends,

United are absolutely spoilt for choice in midfield. There all quality players you have Nani, Giggs, Hargreaves, Carrick, Scholes, Fletcher, Park, Ronaldo & Anderson.

Anderson's had a chance to play a fair few games but there's been rotation as you can imagine. He's had more of a chance with players like Scholes being injured. Hardgreaves been out too. The majority of the games hes played he's been great! I'm sure its causing headaches for SAF as to who to pick.

Depends,

United are absolutely spoilt for choice in midfield. There all quality players you have Nani, Giggs, Hargreaves, Carrick, Scholes, Fletcher, Park, Ronaldo & Anderson.

Anderson's had a chance to play a fair few games but there's been rotation as you can imagine. He's had more of a chance with players like Scholes being injured. Hardgreaves been out too. The majority of the games hes played he's been great! I'm sure its causing headaches for SAF as to who to pick.


MUTV predict that the lineup tonight will be:


Foster
Evra
Vidic
Rio
Brown
Nani
Fletcher
Carrick
Ronaldo
Rooney
Tevez


No Anderson, at least not in the starting XI. Won't know for sure for a couple of hours though.

Anderson isn't a starting 11 player, but he is a very strong backup, so in the near future he very well might be.

Gosh I really hope he plays, am like the biggest fan of this kid, he's so strong, skillful and fast. Just amazing what he can do at 19.

Ronaldo first time as Man Utd captain tonight and already 2 goals at half incluidng an amazing free kick... what cant he do these days.. cant contian him

George Best's winger scoring record is now toast thanks to Ronaldo...man nice free kick (Y)

Kuszczak, Fletcher, Pique, Vidic, O'Shea, Ronaldo, Anderson, Hargreaves, Nani, Tevez, Saha

I'm thinking either Hargreaves or Fletcher are playing RB. Can anyone confirm which one?

Hargreaves.

Anyway, the game was sewn up well by half-time so Bolton had the ball for the second half. Tuned in to White Hart Lane for a cracking game. We can stretch our lead to five points on Sunday IF we beat the Scousers. But every thing will depend on which line-up we put out on Sunday.

Nice result in the other game as well. 4-4 between Spurs and Chelsea.
Brilliant game, though Berbatov missed a sitter in the last minute of injury time which would have clinched it.

Anyone have clips of the two goals?

Ronaldo is a freak, 33 goals in a season for a ******* winger ???!!!! :|:|:|

This guy is the best ******* gay looking player in the world and he made everybody looks half a man they are by raping their asses on the pitch on a regular basis !

33 goals and there's at least 10 games left in the season. More if we do well in Europe. Given the fact he's been getting almost 1 goal a game he could reach 40+ :eek:

Here are the goals:

http://mysoccermedia.com/index.php?module=detail&video_id=722&lang_id=1

and here:

http://mysoccermedia.com/index.php?module=detail&video_id=723&lang_id=1

This guy is the best ******* gay looking player in the world and he made everybody looks half a man they are by raping their asses on the pitch on a regular basis !

Probably the fu<king best compliment I've heard for Ronaldo!!:evil:

Here are the goals:

http://mysoccermedia.com/index.php?module=detail&video_id=722&lang_id=1

and here:

http://mysoccermedia.com/index.php?module=detail&video_id=723&lang_id=1


Thanks alot for the links! (Y)

Hargreaves.

Anyway, the game was sewn up well by half-time so Bolton had the ball for the second half. Tuned in to White Hart Lane for a cracking game. We can stretch our lead to five points on Sunday IF we beat the Scousers. But every thing will depend on which line-up we put out on Sunday.

We need to muzzle Torres, if we keep him quiet then we should be alright. Chelsea Spurs was awesome - just how did Berbatov miss?


I'm stealing a nickname now. You've heard of "The Phenomenal" AJ Styles? Well now it's "The Phenomenal" Cristiano Ronaldo. He is so good it's untrue!

Viva Ronaldo (Y) :rockman:

He can beat Ruud's record of 44 goals in a season :eek:

...44 goals...

That may be a bit much.....still quite the season for a midfielder.

well, he is anything but a midfielder really..but fantastic record anyway..

That may be a bit much.....still quite the season for a midfielder.

Still possible though :p

Never say never. Hell, why not go for Dennis Law's 46 :D ?

Ronaldo is a freak, 33 goals in a season for a ******* winger ???!!!! :|:|:|

This guy is the best ******* gay looking player in the world and he made everybody looks half a man they are by raping their asses on the pitch on a regular basis !

haha

Well if he keeps scoring twice in a match. Its possible but i would like to see some of our other players get on the scoresheet as well. Wayne rooney and tevez need some goals to boost their confidence

Still, he will get overlooked by FIFA for say Torres or Gerrard if Liverpool win the Champions League.

Depends on his performance on the international stage as well, especially in the upcoming Euro 2008......

http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=1874576

i'm think that goal was a complete stunner. Overshadowed by the free kick. Just watch the goal, he actually kicks it into the ground to get it past a defender knowing the ball would then go up and dip into the goal. Stunning, not so clear in that video, but it was really skilful.

HIT INTO THE GROUND?

Really hard to tell if he hits it INTO the ground. Commentator certainly seems to believe so......

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On a side note, ManU fan or not, you just have to be in awe at what this guy is doing.....not DONE....but DOING!

yep, Portuguese (H)

To me it looks like he just volleyed the ball right after it bounced off the ground rather than hit it back into the ground. The ball jumped up way to high for it to bounce off the ground.

Still, he will get overlooked by FIFA for say Torres or Gerrard if Liverpool win the Champions League.

Please don't even joke about that happening :-puke:

Just read the facts that Chelsea has gone unbeaten at home for 77 straight games in the leagues :|

I hope it's gonna be a draw at Stamford Bridge with lots of injuries. Especially to Ashley Cole. I hope Ade rape him, on the pitch and off the pitch...

I hope Ade rape him, on the pitch and off the pitch...

lol, that would be a nightmare!!

To quote Star Wars concerning the Liverpool game
"I have a bad feeling about this"

We have to beat the scousers - we just have to. I get the feeling they are due a win over us though. As I said before though if we muzzle Torres then we should be okay.

As for the Chelski Arse game, I admit I would be somewhat satisfied if Ashley Cole was subjected to the type of horror tackle that he performed at Spurs (although it's wrong to wish injury on a player) 0-0 would suit me fine as a score. Lampard being booked for mouthing off would be immensely satisfying too.

I'm also very nervous about today.
Ferdinand will probably not be playing. So will it be Brown in the middle and O'Shea on the right?

Manchester United-Liverpool streams (http://www.takeforum.com/banok5/viewtopic.php?t=16&mforum=banok5)

1-0 at halftime and Liverpool down to 10 men.
Mascherano is a moron.
It could have been a lot more, especially for Rooney.

Well that was exciting! Mascherano the big talking about. And really you got both sides having valid points here. The first yellow card was a bit unlucky and really he shouldn't have had it. But when you are on a yellow, you gotta watch your conduct man. This wasn't the first time he went over to the ref to complain. He sprinted almost the whole pitch, was dragged away by his own player and still went to complain, especially after your teammate just got booked for talking.
But then again like i said, the first yellow was bad, then he had a couple of fools that were nonexistant like Giggs just running right into him and winning a freekick. Its not basketball where you win a freekick by running into an opponent, rather than the other way around. He was also really one of the few trying hard out there and giving their best, so you could see emotions were running really high for him, unfortunately for Javier.


Anyway back to the game. Winning 1-0 and play well so far, Liverpool have been so shotout that i still can't figure out if its Van Der Sar or Kuszchak playing?

he was nagging the hole time after the first card and there aint no exuse for this behaviour.
hope this dont kill a good game!

van der Sar is the one playing. And Rio has Torres in his pocket.

:monkey::rockman::lui:

Two goals in two minutes will finish this one off, methinks.
Oh, and Ronaldo just keeps going. How many goals will he get to?

Long time no see Ben. (H)

I'm in a really good mood now :D .
Great game (Y) .

What a goal from Nani! Beats the rest of the lot! Another double over Liverpool, kinda makes up for that Machester City double. Now lets hope for a nice little draw at Chelsea-Arsenal game.

You gotta love Reina. He is ALWAYS nervous against United and every game he looks very shaky and makes stupid mistakes. Like every single game against us.

Bad news guys, apparently after the game Rio Ferdinand got arrested, turns out it was illegal for him to OWN Torres like he did.

lol

viva mascherano.....:))..

Manchester United-Liverpool highlights
http://www.videoplayer.hu/videos/play/147718

Chelsea-Arsenal 0-0 at half time!
this weekend could turn out to be a great one!

Mascerano is an idiot.

Arse is leading Chelsea 1-0 WTF?

Ok well, not a draw but still good result, as long as Arsenal lose points. So 5 points away from Chelsea and 6 from Arsenal, looking good, just gotta keep our heads straight and take care of the unfinished business. That's 11 points lost by Arsenal in just 5 games. Their inexperience is playing a big part in this.

Good game....not that it will matter if you guys are level on points with Chelsea, but you should have been able to get 6 today. Anderson could have had three by himself...blazed over. For the last 15 mins we were made to look like a Championship side.:( The difference in depth between the two teams was as wide as the Grand Canyon, in that other than Torres/Gerrard, we haven't got any.

We were being outclassed even before Mascherano was sent off.

Bad news guys, apparently after the game Rio Ferdinand got arrested, turns out it was illegal for him to OWN Torres like he did.

hahaha :alex:

Manchester United vs Liverpool Motd highlights (http://www.sendspace.com/file/k26uca)


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