Y england are so unlucky
they must have won this stupid friendly
but the manager only have let the reserves to play
italy sux
they are always lucky
96% luck
4% play
England are da champions 4ever and man utd in the champions league

Whatever. Italy had just as many reserves playing and in no way did England deserve to win that game!

Get the glasses on, buddy.

How dare u
u might try ti wear glasses
cuz all the game was to england
except a stupid italian came and scored by luck
and by the way
its just a friendly

Originally posted by gaffer:
Whatever. Italy had just as many reserves playing and in no way did England deserve to win that game!

Get the glasses on, buddy.

Yeah right! The bloke who scored the goal should have been sent off thirty seconds before that goal was scored anyway for striking Beckham (who reacted brilliantly by not retaliating). And how many penalties didn't the ref or linesmen spot? (Heskey being TUGGED to the floor, Beckham being knocked over, etc...).

Am I not right hey, Teddy?

And what are your excuses for the last 2 games? Germany 1 England 0 and Finland 0 England 0?

Screamdewey:
right on the spot
am i supposed to wear glasses
or the referee and the blind italian fans
it was supposed to end 2-1 to england
or 2-0 if David Seamen was on goal
simply right

Do You know that it was Italy-2? We played with the reserves, it's to hard for you to understand that you can't compare your poor England with Italian artists? Watch the statistics, the last official competitions, we are always batter. Can you say why? Because we can play football, you can watch it only on tv on sunday...

Since when does someone get automatically get sent off for a foul in the box?

England continue to underachieve. Actually they aren't that good to begin with.

Let's compare their record with Italy's. England's only World Cup was given to them by referee's and their record lately has been a joke.

Enough said.

you italians are always are always bad
and u will not achieve anything if luck wasnt with u
u see del piero and inzagi cheer up
then they say that they scored luck themselves
and they cheer up like stupid animals for nothing
thats y some of the world dont even like to look at you Italians
thats y someone told me to wear glasses
not because of England
but because i cant see where italy have gone!

Originally posted by gaffer:
Since when does someone get automatically get sent off for a foul in the box?

England continue to underachieve. Actually they aren't that good to begin with.

Let's compare their record with Italy's. England's only World Cup was given to them by referee's and their record lately has been a joke.

Enough said.

I didn't say that the player should have been sent of for fouling Beckham in the area, but for reeling out at Beckham (for some unknown reason) afterwards.

Actually they WERE good to begin with. Can you say any recent keeper is as good as Gordon 'The Cat' Banks was, any player who shows the same spirit as Nobby Stiles, who danced a merry jig after winning the cup, any players as talented as the Charlton brothers, the list goes on...

And I take from your 'England's only World Cup was given to them by referee's' quote you meant the way the controversial third goal was allowed as it never went over the line. I have seen some stupid refereeing decisions in my time and perhaps that goal should never have been allowed, but surely we have never deserved the 'hand of god' or to lose against Argentina in the World Cup, when we played like true lions! The fact is it goes both ways mate!

Anyway I digress, the fact is we won 4-2 not 3-2, by the famous 'some people are on the pitch...' goal. And we were better than West Germany, we didn't have the luxury of them playing p**s poor in a final like Brazil versus France, we had to beat them PROPERLY. my point is we were the best team in the world, and we didn't need a referee in our pocket. Christ, it feels like we are always playing against twelve men, not twelve on our side, oh no!

To end, Sven Goran Eriksson believes (after watching that Italy game) that we have enough talent to go on and win the 2006 world cup! With a manager of that calibre, we might just do that! We won Germany on our home ground... now we'll do it on their turf!

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OK Sheringham, let me get this straigt:
1: u posted this because England fairly lost
2: u knew that almost every1 would say that Italy was best (and is)
3: Italians are proffesionale.
4: Do u play football on a team or sumtin?

England?
Good Soccer?
Englands soccer is just a bad joke
We kicked you asses in your last holy match
in wembley. and we should have won the Championsleague in 1998-1999 vs. Manchester.
ok Manchester really is a good team but you can ask everybody who isn't manchester-fan. Everybody will tell you, that we were the stronger team. ok we lost, but we won't loose again. You won't even qualify to wc2002 because we kicked you and we will do it again and again. England never played good soccer. Euro2000 is over and GERMANY is back for good!!!!!! remember that!

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Too right,

Yes i was struck in the chest by Groucho marx with the funny looking beard, but everyone except the Italians can see there wasn't much between the sides, but they seem to think they are the best in the world for some odd reason.

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All the best,

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to Juventus - well you asked what our excuse was for our last two awful results in the Wc Qualifiers, well here it is - Kevin Keegan!

Lol, its just happens that the English football association made that idiot manager of our team and we had to suffer his clueless attempts at managing the national team, hopefully with a coach that knows what he's doing we will do a lot better in the future.

As to Bayern Munich - Germany lost in Euro 2000 to us if you cant remember, and you beat us just lately, i admit, but in all my time I have never seen such a bad German team as they one you have now, we have got rid of the useless Kevin Keegan and can only be better for it in out next games, but you on the other hand dont seem to have any way of returning to the football you played in the past.

AS regards the Euro cup final against Manchester united, I've never seen such an arrogant bunch as that Bayern Munich team, they scored one goal and then arrogantly thought they had the game won, how could anyone act so superior and arrogant as they did, They didnt even bother attacking anymore , except on the break after they had that goal, as they foolishly thought one goal would be enough.

Do you know what the English commentator sais on tv just before we equalised? he said " Can Manchester United score? they ALWAYS score" !
Those words have gone down in history as they did just that seconds later, seems everyone knew utd had goals in them except Bayern.

Did you see the look of shock on lothar mattheus's face when they eqaulised? lol it was a picture! because he honestly thought they had won it.

You have to remember this was a team, with a never say die spirit, that beat the mighty Juventus on their own ground when they were 2-0 down at the start and Juve had an away goal too, this utd team was a team were not beaten until the very last breath, and they deserved to win it because they did not give up, they knew they could do it, and the arrogant Germans were taken totally by surprise.

Even non Manchester United fans in this country admit they loved that moment of seeing the germans distraught when we scored those goals against them, it was such a beautiful sight to see http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

by the way, interesting fact for you, that game was played on what would have been Sir Matt busbies '90'th birthday, ( the man utd mangager of the team who crashed in the munich air disaster who mangaged the busby babes, was the first manager to win the European cup for Utd, and shaped the club) and man utd scored 2 goals and won the game in the '90'th minute,against 'MUNICH'
now is that fate or what?

Anyway, heres to a rosy future!

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Becks



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yo, "all the best" - Becks, get a life - you're not really David Beckham http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

- i know i won't be able to persuade you but in medical terms that's called a schisophrenic condition...

Of course i'm not David Beckham!

The real David Beckham was busy scoring a brilliant free kick against Manchester City as I typed the above post.

p.s who is Denis Enchev? <g>



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ok mr. Beckham.
you call us arogant? I think it is naive and arogant to praise a manchester team, wich had problems to qualify in this easy group. You were happy that you qualified for this round.
We have Arsenal in our group. ****, that it isn't Manchester, but the main thing is, that we kick english soccer asses. I have nothing against english people but against their arogant soccerfans. And if your national team comes over here, we will throw you out of the wc2002 qualifier!

by the way:
Lokk at the strenghts in fifa2001. do you really think, Manchesters or Arsenals strenght is fair compaired to Bayern's strenght?
We lead the worldwide club-list and EA give us such a little strenght? I think EA isn't up to date!

[This message has been edited by Bayern_Munich (edited 11-18-2000).]

I was praising Man utd for the season they won the Champions league, in which they won an unprecedented treble of trophies that season, never before done in history.

Since then they have not been as good, and this year have had problems, but I think Bayern are aching for revenge, but you can never get it unless it is in another final with us and you win, because we snatched the trophy from out of your hands, and your players will be traumatized by that for the rest of their lives, something they will never get over http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

I think you sound a little bitter, and have something against English football, we enjoy playing germany and the close competitive games we have had over the years, always great matches with lots of passion and action, and as for Arsenal, they are more French than English, but I think Bayern will find they are a good team, so beware, they could knock you out.

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All the best,

Becks

David Beckham:
"Yes i was struck in the chest by Groucho marx with the funny looking beard"

- "I was struck" - first you think you are David Beckham than you change your mind - there is another medical condition for a constant change of opinions, which i can't remember right now -

- nevermind - you should really make your mind up http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/frown.gif

P.S Denis Enchev is my REAL name

Ok I just asked Posh and she says I AM the real David Beckham,

Hope that clears things up, lol

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All the best,

Becks

Originally posted by David Beckham:
to Juventus - well you asked what our excuse was for our last two awful results in the Wc Qualifiers, well here it is - Kevin Keegan!


Hey Becks,
You might want to double-check who your manager was in the last couple of games cause I think you've already gone through two replacements.:)

What is Italy
i think it is a kind of chewing gum or somethin
but nothing else
or maybe a garbage cleaners names are italy
cuz originally u r made of grabage u italians
so all of italians shut ur mouth with the sh*t u have in urself and better clean man utd stadium cuz the match is close!!!

Originally posted by Sheringham10:
What is Italy
i think it is a kind of chewing gum or somethin
but nothing else
or maybe a garbage cleaners names are italy
cuz originally u r made of grabage u italians
so all of italians shut ur mouth with the sh*t u have in urself and better clean man utd stadium cuz the match is close!!!

WOW Sheringham

Originally posted by Sheringham10:
What is Italy
i think it is a kind of chewing gum or somethin
but nothing else
or maybe a garbage cleaners names are italy
cuz originally u r made of grabage u italians
so all of italians shut ur mouth with the sh*t u have in urself and better clean man utd stadium cuz the match is close!!!

WOW Sheringham

Sounds like you have some serious issues man! Penis envy perhaps... http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

all i have read in is this forum is pure ****. the game was played evenly, after the goal by gattuso, italy simply laid back and played there usual defencive system. and dont give me this bull**** about two missed penalties. the ref called the game fine. all the simple did was after the goal was sit on there lead. they played a halfed assed game and won. give me a break. this game wasnt about italy at all. ths game was all about england and there youngster. all italy had to do was give them a good game. not our problems that they cant score and seem to depend on penalties to win

sheringham,

I know your a fellow Englishman and Man u supporter but I have to say you are being overly harsh on the Italians.

They are not **** and deserve some respect, They do have good players and have achieved much in their history, I know we know Man utd are the most dynamic and exciting team in the entire history of the English game, hope your reading this liverpool fans http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif
but Obviously the Italians will stick up for their side, and we ours, in the end we see things differently because we are rooting for our own teams.



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All the best,

Becks

Italy played our U-21 side. Most of the veterans weren't even playing. They could only manage to win by ONE goal at home.

Pretty sad for a World Cup hopeful team. Perhaps England aren't as bad as you think we are. But that couldn't POSSIBLY be the answer. Anyhow, most of you probably didn't watch the damn game.

As for Germany....who cares? Like they're going anywhere in the WC. N-O F-U-T-U-R-E

Anyone who couldn't beat THAT ENGLAND side at Euro 2000 is not worth even considering.

So you think you are better now?
so if you are, why did we win @ Wembley?
you have no future!

Yes we are better now, because Kevin Keegan has gone, and so has the awful stand in manager howard wilkinson who was in charge of the Finland game.

Right now we have a good caretaker manager and a lot of young talent waiting to emerge, quite frankly we have some young players from leeds, liverpool and the like who would scare you if you saw them,The young leeds team have already dispatched Barcelona in the champions league and beaten AC milan, now in the future with a manger like we have secured things can only be better, I hear nothing of any promising german youngsters,
I guess you don't have it anymore.

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All the best,

Becks

It was only a ****en friendly.Remember before Euro2000,Italy had lost to Denmark,Spain and Norway and no one gave them a chance at euro2000 ,surprisingly they reached the finals.Since Euro2000 ,we lost only one game and that game was the finals where we gave France a scare.

PleeeeeeeeZ ppl, don't be soo damn annoyin
it was a poopin friendly, even tho the itis didn't seem to care!

one question, don't you italians think the way you play the game makes it as borin as feckin hell? Lay back, Lay back, lay back 1 shot on goal- lucky score, lay back lay back.... thats the way it s played over there - imo a discrace for the whole game of footy!

the gift of spelling isnt given to all o us :P

i wasn ' t only talking bout that game...in general, for me seria A is dead boring, and for loads of other non-italians...why?!

you just gave the reason yourself...take any team in the prem (except for maybe chelsea) ..they never stop playin..even if they re 2 goals up...

Remember that when a team try go for more goals ,it can go against you .Italy vs France is a good example,Italy was more offensive in that game ,at the end ,Italy were trying to get more goals wich led to a opening in the back and wich led to Wiltord's goal *.Who knows what would of happened if they would of sit back and try to hold that lead.I remember a year ago ,at www.fifa.com (http://www.fifa.com) they showed wich country of the 20th century had the best success rate in keeping a 1 goal lead and it was Italy in first with 89.something percent .If you know your team has that as a success rate ,then you try to exploit it or else you end up like england in euro2000 when they lead and then lose it very quickly.

you re missing my point! ...waht s more fun to watch..a 1-0 or a 3-3 ?! for me a 3-3!

AND ONE THING ABOUT HATE!! I HAVE NEVER, NO NEVER SEEN A SUCH RACIST CROWD AS THE ITALIAN ONES! uh uh uh huh, the ITI FANS seem to think they re superior to other races- but they don t seem to be the brightest -(i am referring to the noises italian crowds make when a black player has the ball- and only to those who make these noises, no offence to anyone else!)

Hello Beckham: Just for you...
1. Italy's player didn't play well because they were pissed off that they were not able to play the proper English team.
2. Germany will certainly qualify from their group as they have something what England didn't have since '66 - a team.
3. England will have a foreign coach - just like a 3rd world football country.
4. The best teams last season in England and the nationality of their managers: Scottish, French, Irish, French, Italian...
5. Germany DID loose in Euro 2000 but looking back the game was as important as a friendly.
6. The best paid player in english football is an Irishman.

But if you take friendlies so seriously:
IRELAND v FINNLAND 3:0 (friendly)
FINNLAND v ENGLAND 0:0

D3llusion ,I dont care if a game ends 3-3 ,im an italian and like many italians ,we love watching our National team play even if the score is low ,we are used to it .I couldnt care less if the game is boring ,as long as we win ,that is whats important .
2nd point,yes its unfortunate that there are racists in Italy ,but its not everyone and England aint any better ,they have hooligans going thrashing country after country and sometimes theres tragedy .No country are innocent ,whether your in England or in Italy or even Spain .

To D2illusion(Sorry if i mispelled your name),I dont think our goal was luck,Gattuso scored a beautiful goal ,but think ,if you were the italian coach and that you know that when your team has 1 goal lead and that they are the best in keeping that score ,what would you do ???? Would you try to score another goal and risk doing like they did against France or defend your lead like the team normally does most of the time .

Originally posted by ckrohm:
Hello Beckham: Just for you...

2. Germany will certainly qualify from their group as they have something what England didn't have since '66 - a team.


5. Germany DID loose in Euro 2000 but looking back the game was as important as a friendly.

Ah another arrogant German, how could you possibly say that you have a team?
Your team is the worst, they finished bottom of the group in Euro 2000, you won it in euro 96, that shows how far backwards you have fallen and just how on earth are you going to change that?

You have no Klinsmann anymore, no Berti vogts or F Beckenbauer, your Mattheus is past it, you need a fresh breed of youngsters and you are just not the same anymore, no one fears Germany anymore, you are all in the past.

How can you say Euro 2000 was unimportant?
Thats a lame excuse.

Peace bro

never said we were innocent, but i ve never heared any british fans makning stupid noises when a black player has the ball !ESPECIALLY IN A FRIENDLY!
i had to bring this in coz everyone was sayin it was only a friendly....well then everyon should act as if it were one,,....fans players included.

i ve figured that u don t care bout my point of view...i was only telling ppl what my thoughts are! of course i like to see my team win, but i d rather see them win 2-3 than 1-0

i know i was so harsh
but part of what i said is right
but some of it came cuz i was nervous
so sorry about som Sh*t parts
ok
but generally after all
we should have won
but,
how about man utd vs pananthiacos
3-1
any other comments?

Wether Italy win 1-0 or 3-2 ,wait ,actually I rather have a 1-0 win then 3-2 cause the reputation of our defense will go down and since we dont score much ,our team would be in chaos .Anyways,I wouldnt say anything about Italy right now ,cause Id like to see Italy with Totti and Vieri in the lineup instead of Del piero or Del Dildo.

When England fail to qualify for wc2002 maybe the plonkers in the FA will get their act together with England. They can start first with restricting teams in English league to 2 foreign players MAX!

Come on how long will it take to figure out foreigners are killing English youth!!
Take away 2 foreigners and Chelsea will be not such a hot contender in the Prem. anymore. WAKE UP!!

ERICTHEKING: English football has a future yes, but I'm saying when will FA restrict foreign player limits??.....think about it look at Arsenal, Man utd, and Chelsea all big teams...right?
Well naturally you'd look at those teams for national team players, but as you may realise over half these teams are FOREIGN!! I have nothing against foreign players, infact there good for the league to a certain extent. Think about it before you chose to disagree.

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Please guys stop it!

This argument is pointless since both teams played without some good players in a match that counted absolutely nothing. I am damn sure that 10 out of the 11 players had their heads somewhere else, but not in "Oh God, I want to win this great game".
You English fans should be happy that you have some promising young players (Heskey looked really good) - which also goes for Italian fans.
You won't be able to tell who is better until both teams will meet at full strenght (Vieri, Scholes, Totti and whoever) on a neutral pitch in a crucial World Cup game. And then it will be a damn close call I think. So please stop insulting each other.

To Paolo Rossi: I remeber how you cirisized Italy for playind defensivley, and during Euro2K turned into a defensive-guru.
The point is the following: Totti is by far Italy's best player at the moment, and all striker Trap calls are out of form. Delvecchio is dry in the Serie A and Inzaghi has 1 or 2.
Totti plays midfield but has scored 5 so far, and Vieri is picking up form fast. When these 2 will be back to play along with Fiore and another striker, Italy will score some goals. But the basic system won't change, It's the players who make the difference.

Yeah this topic is dead now, that game is long gone, and forgotten.

Good luck all!



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Originally posted by Zambrotta:
Please guys stop it!

This argument is pointless since both teams played without some good players in a match that counted absolutely nothing. I am damn sure that 10 out of the 11 players had their heads somewhere else, but not in "Oh God, I want to win this great game".
You English fans should be happy that you have some promising young players (Heskey looked really good) - which also goes for Italian fans.
You won't be able to tell who is better until both teams will meet at full strenght (Vieri, Scholes, Totti and whoever) on a neutral pitch in a crucial World Cup game. And then it will be a damn close call I think. So please stop insulting each other.

To Paolo Rossi: I remeber how you cirisized Italy for playind defensivley, and during Euro2K turned into a defensive-guru.
The point is the following: Totti is by far Italy's best player at the moment, and all striker Trap calls are out of form. Delvecchio is dry in the Serie A and Inzaghi has 1 or 2.
Totti plays midfield but has scored 5 so far, and Vieri is picking up form fast. When these 2 will be back to play along with Fiore and another striker, Italy will score some goals. But the basic system won't change, It's the players who make the difference.
I agree with you that Totti is Italy's best player at this moment ,infact I compare him to Zidane.I know many of you wonmt agree ,but Ive seen Totti play in the last few weeks and he makes beautiful plays .And he is only 23 ,wait till he reaches at his prime wich is still in a few years .
To Zambrotta:First of all ,i dont like when they play defensively throughout 90 minutes ,but I dont mind seeing them defend after they score one goal .Btw,Inzaghi hasnt played much for Juve since they keep putting Del Dildo on every game and rotating thei second player up front between Inzaghi,Trezeguet and Kovacevic.