View Full Version : Fifa 08 Best Youngs
Al Pacino PT 06-10-2007, 08:05:PM This thread is dedicated to the youngs on fifa 08 and here it is mines
Miguel Veloso 3 seasons ups from 79 to 90
Joao Moutinho 3 seasons ups from 81 to 89
Purovic 3 seasons ups from 74 to 81
La Viola 06-10-2007, 08:12:PM Ben Sahar – QPR - 66 to 78 in 1 season
leavemealone 07-10-2007, 07:22:AM are you writing for player growths in be a pro-mode?
i felt that be a pro mode is very difficult-camera angles are not good.i can only locate my player using radar.he keeps on running from one end of the field to other.also,i cant be a goalkeeper in be a pro mode.
Al Pacino PT 07-10-2007, 08:22:AM no this is dedicated on manager mode
HSV Nico 07-10-2007, 11:18:AM van der vaart, hsv
kompany, hsv
ben-hatira, hsv
boateng, hsv
fellaini, standard lüttich
mertesacker, werder brähmen/bremen
Al Pacino PT 07-10-2007, 11:38:AM put the overall
leavemealone 07-10-2007, 12:41:PM in manager mode the player growth is fixed.so,i think there is no meaning of writing them.sometimes because of match XP overall can be a little bit more than that but mostly it will be that given in player growth.
chiboygeorge 07-10-2007, 09:42:PM I reckn the best young is Bojan / pato
then Richards and lots more
GIGGIRIVA 07-10-2007, 10:34:PM after 6 seasons
Pato 98
Dos Santos 97
Aguero 96
Micha Richards 91
Gareth Bale 91
Drenthe 91
Lulinha 90
Neuer 90
Benzema 89
Babel 88
Rakitic 87
Aaron Lennon 87
Pazzini 87
Pique 86
Kerlon 85
Al Pacino PT 07-10-2007, 10:41:PM Giggiriva you are an addict
GIGGIRIVA 07-10-2007, 10:48:PM no... simulation and play the hard match :)
Master Pi a Gi 08-10-2007, 06:05:PM Cassio 75/76-90 at 6 season
I don't have sure if he in the 1 season he as 75/76
eaztzyde 12-10-2007, 07:20:AM One thing that would have been good with this thread would be if you wrote the clubs they start with:D btw, great thread:D
MrVee 12-10-2007, 07:29:AM I'm going to try and quick sim my way from Dag and Red to someone like Barcelona (or Man United or Inter or a team like that). Until I get to Barca will be buying mostly old players (since I leave the club after two seasons at most) so I won't know any until then. Once I get there, I'll post everybody I run into that has a potential over 85 (including the scouted players).
I'm already at Preston after only one season and they're making mincemeat out of League One so I might be able to get to a giant club quicker than I was usually able in 07 (which was season 7 or 8).
Javyol 13-10-2007, 01:53:AM Marcelo (LB) Real Madrid - 70-86 in 6 seasons
Sergio Ramos (RB) Real Madrid - 86-94 in 6 seasons
Lennon (RWM) Tottenham - 83-93 in 5 seasons
Valbuena (CAM) Marseille - 73-78 in 3 seasons
Vela (CF) Osasuna - 72-90 in 5 seasons
Zendefone 13-10-2007, 07:20:AM Hey guys, do you have to play those youngster inorder for them to gain EXP? Because i think some of my youngs players gain EXP even though i didn't put them on starting 11... So, do you guys play them?
Javyol 13-10-2007, 08:38:AM Hey guys, do you have to play those youngster inorder for them to gain EXP? Because i think some of my youngs players gain EXP even though i put them on starting 11... So, do you guys play them?
No. It's good if you do beacuse they will have a chance of growing even higher in ratings.
Zendefone 13-10-2007, 08:58:AM No. It's good if you do beacuse they will have a chance of growing even higher in ratings.
So, they will grow if you don't play them? But if you play them, they will grow even more?
MrVee 13-10-2007, 01:18:PM Here's what I got so far using mostly Barcelona. Some of the ratings may be a little different depending on your game. The three numbers are: first year, 6th year and 7th year (when I have them). Then I list starting team and position:
Josmer Altidore - ST - 72 - 88 - 88 - New York Red Bulls
Bojan - ST - 76 - 90 - 91 - Barcelona
Gio Dos Santos - 75 - 97 - XX - Barcelona
Lulinha - CAM - 74 - 94 - 94 - Corinthians
Patrik - ST - 71 - 90 - 91 - Sao Caetano
Toni Kroos - CAM - 64 - 87 - 89 - Bayern Munich
Gareth Bale - LB - 81 - 91 - 91 - Tottenham
Alexandre Pato - ST - 81 - 98 - XX - AC Milan
Adel Taarabt - CAM - 70 - 89 - 90 - Tottenham
Carlos Vela - ST - 72 - 90 - 90 - Osasuna
Anderson - CAM - 82 - 95 - 96 - Man Utd
Marcelo Moreno - ST - 82 - 93 - XX - Cruzeiro
Gael Clichy - LB - 77 - 86 - XX - Arsenal
Cesc Fabregas - CM - 85 - 96 - XX - Arsenal
Van Persie - CF - 85 - 92 - XX - Arsenal
Denilson - CM - 74 - 89 - XX - Arsenal
So far I think Fabregas is the best player in the game. Yes others may have higher ratings, but you could stick Fabregas anywhere except goalkeeper and he'd have huge ratings.
Here's a special one:
Mfaki Omaboe - ST - 62 - 86 - 89 - Cameroon
This guy was found using the "scout" feature in the first season and isn't in the game until somebody finds him. If you've got a big enough club to start with, you may want to scout Africa to see if you can't get your hands on this guy. He'll cost you about 1.5 million pounds, but he looks like he's still growing at a rating of 89 by year 7, so 1.5 million is cheap compared to what somebody like Alexandre Pato is going to run you.
A note: Theo Walcott's potential has plummeted since 07 and is nothing special this time around for whatever reason. Don't say you weren't warned.
On a personal note, Altidore's 88 might be the highest they've ever rated a real life American's potential (there were some fake ones last year). That is if you don't count Giuseppe Rossi.
Javyol 14-10-2007, 09:31:AM So, they will grow if you don't play them? But if you play them, they will grow even more?
Correct;).
Ashman23 14-10-2007, 01:25:PM So far I think Fabregas is the best player in the game. Yes others may have higher ratings, but you could stick Fabregas anywhere except goalkeeper and he'd have huge ratings.
Here's a special one:
Mfaki Omaboe - ST - 62 - 86 - 89 - Cameroon
This guy was found using the "scout" feature in the first season and isn't in the game until somebody finds him. If you've got a big enough club to start with, you may want to scout Africa to see if you can't get your hands on this guy. He'll cost you about 1.5 million pounds, but he looks like he's still growing at a rating of 89 by year 7
Got Fabregas, just signed him (yay), Scouted and found Omaboe but he didn't want to sign with me and now he's gone from the game, damn it.
Rico el chico 14-10-2007, 08:05:PM but when u go to player growth on the 360 do you set it to team auto growth on or off to get the most growth out of young players? and when they get exp points do you add them on to players or do they automatically go on? my bad im new at this
futzy99 14-10-2007, 08:31:PM Hey guys, who's the best young keeper?
Master Pi a Gi 14-10-2007, 08:44:PM I don't know if this is the best but check Cássio from PSV grows from 76 to 90
at 6 season
Rico el chico 14-10-2007, 08:48:PM best keeper is memo ochoa from america 81 at first but watch as he grows to literally the best keeper in the game
amnesia_mental 14-10-2007, 10:00:PM The nigerian Edu (Hoffenheim) and Carlos Eduardo (Gremio)
MrVee 15-10-2007, 08:30:AM best keeper is memo ochoa from america 81 at first but watch as he grows to literally the best keeper in the game
He's on the box in North America so that makes some sense.
Ashman,
When a player refuses to sign for you, he doesn't disappear. You'll find if you keep scouting there he'll show up again (or someone else might wind up with him). There's probably even better guys hidden out there, but he's available in season 1 and the first real good one I found.
You can always shortlist scouted guys and until someone else gets them you're able to sign them the same way any time you want to try. However if you try and fail they leave the shortlist (but not the game).
leavemealone 15-10-2007, 12:30:PM hey,this may sound like cheating but if the player refuses to sign then i load my career and then again offer him.mostly the player signs,he doesnt refuse everytime.(if you really want the player).
i usually scout players and add them to shortlist and then sign them just before the transfer window opens then immediately sell them.atleast i earn a few million dollars(i always play with top teams with scout level 10).
HSV Nico 15-10-2007, 03:19:PM The nigerian Edu (Hoffenheim) and Carlos Eduardo (Gremio)
edu and carlos eduardo are now both at hoffenheim(second german ligue)
Master Pi a Gi 15-10-2007, 05:05:PM hey,this may sound like cheating but if the player refuses to sign then i load my career and then again offer him.mostly the player signs,he doesnt refuse everytime.(if you really want the player).
i usually scout players and add them to shortlist and then sign them just before the transfer window opens then immediately sell them.atleast i earn a few million dollars(i always play with top teams with scout level 10).
Yes that is a way of cheating but i don't do it
amnesia_mental 15-10-2007, 09:37:PM edu and carlos eduardo are now both at hoffenheim(second german ligue)
Yes, sorry.
In the 4th season, Edu 87 and Carlos Eduardo 93
Ashman23 16-10-2007, 05:42:AM Hey, that's a great idea about signing, then selling. Thanks for the advice about Omaboe, I'll go looking for him again (btw I found him in my second season) there's another guy from Africa with great potential, I'll post his name when I next play it, I think it's Bridge but I'll confirm this.
Rico el chico 17-10-2007, 01:28:AM his name is Bedsente Dominicus i think hes from italy but i forgot. Anyways hes only 18 and his overall was 80 when i first got him after three seasons hes at 89 and still looks like hes growing
Ashman23 17-10-2007, 08:51:AM What position does he play?
And yeah, the player I found by the name of Kyle Bridge in (Argentina) South America, has the stats :ST, 19 y/old, starts at 67 but goes to 82 in 5th year.
MrVee 18-10-2007, 04:58:AM A couple more scouted players:
Angel Javier Arroyo - Spain - LM - Year 1 = 60 to Year 7 = 90
Raul Fernando Martin Pastor - Spain - CAM - Year 1 = 65 to Year 7 = 87
Adam Marriott - Ireland - GK - Year 1 = 67 to Year 7 = 84
Kyle Bridge - Argentina - ST - Year 1 = 67 to Year 7 = 88
And some guys who start the game with teams (if the second rating is earlier than year 7, it means their growth leveled off after the year listed) at positions other than striker and attacking mid:
David - Palmeiras - CB - Year 1 = 67 to Year 4 = 87
Thiago Heleno - Cruzeiro - CB - Year 1 = 69 to Year 6 = 88
Mouhamadou Dabo - St. Etienne - RB - Year 1 = 73 to Year 6 = 87
Gonzalo Castro - Leverkusen - RB - Year 1 = 81 to Year 5 = 91
John Obi Mikel - Chelsea - CM - Year 1 = 82 to Year 4 = 91
MrVee 18-10-2007, 05:39:AM Here are some goalkeepers:
F. Guillermo Ochoa - America - GK - 79 to 86 (year 6)
Brad Guzan - Chivas USA - GK - 70 to 83 (year 5)
Manuel Neuer - FC Schalke - GK - 80 to 90 (year 5)
Cassio - PSV Eindhoven - GK - 75 to 90 (year 5)
Remy Riou - Auxerre - GK - 71 to 86 (year 6)
Felipe - Corinthians - GK - 74 to 88 (year 6)
Ashman23 18-10-2007, 07:55:AM Mr Vee, you must be playing the game all the time, thanks for the new listings.
rockya13 18-10-2007, 09:05:AM 4th seAson
carlos eduardo 95
pato 98
anderson 97
nani 96
mertsacker 93
fabregas 96
mercelo moreno 93
lennon 93
neuer 90
Rico el chico 22-10-2007, 11:54:PM What position does he play?
And yeah, the player I found by the name of Kyle Bridge in (Argentina) South America, has the stats :ST, 19 y/old, starts at 67 but goes to 82 in 5th year.
Plays defensive mid but has a hell of a shot
mik1024 23-10-2007, 06:20:PM The best young keepers av gotta be igor akinfeev (96 after 3 seasons) at some moscow team, oscar ustari at racing club de santander, guillermo ochoa mexican, kasper schmeichel (73-83 2 n a half seasons) and that german guy Manuel Neuer at Schalke
Ashman23 24-10-2007, 12:14:AM CM Cattermole (Middlesborough) 85, year 4
CM Johnson (Man City) 87, year 6
CM Denilson (Arsenal) 89, year 6
ST Torres (Liverpool) 93, year 3
LF Babel (Liverpool) 91, year 4
RB Alves 90, year 5
CB Agger (Liverpool) 89, year 3
RWM Iriome 86, year 4
chchan 25-10-2007, 07:06:AM The best young keepers av gotta be igor akinfeev (96 after 3 seasons) at some moscow team, oscar ustari at racing club de santander, guillermo ochoa mexican, kasper schmeichel (73-83 2 n a half seasons) and that german guy Manuel Neuer at Schalke
hi, does Akinfeev appear early in the game, or is he scouted? can't find him in the player list..what's his starting stats and age?
sreg0r 25-10-2007, 10:33:AM hi, does Akinfeev appear early in the game, or is he scouted? can't find him in the player list..what's his starting stats and age?
I couldn't find him either.
Ustari stops growing year 3 at 88 but Cassio from PSV will grow to 91 in year 6 and besides this Akinfeev fellow I hear about is the best young keeper in the game.
chchan 25-10-2007, 05:57:PM I couldn't find him either.
Ustari stops growing year 3 at 88 but Cassio from PSV will grow to 91 in year 6 and besides this Akinfeev fellow I hear about is the best young keeper in the game.
finally found akinfeev..but he's only listed in the Russian squad :(anyone managed to get him?
StevePitts 28-10-2007, 09:13:AM Cassio from PSV will grow to 91 in year 6 and besides this Akinfeev fellow I hear about is the best young keeper in the game.
Actually the best young keeper in the game is Jerry Nelsen (Denmark) who should be available to be scouted from the beginning of manager mode and starts out at 96 and reaches at least 98. Ian Livesey (England) is not far behind (starts at 95, peaks at 96 by default, but may even end up being slightly better depending on their relative potential boosts) but doesn't become available until season five or so. If you prefer someone that develops from a lower level then look out for Felipe (Brazil) who starts out with an overall of 74 in the first season but should grow to at least 88/89.
Ashman23 28-10-2007, 09:32:AM That Jerry Nelson fellow sounds unbelievable. I'm gonna start looking for him. Never found Bedsente Dominicus CDM in Italy, but anyway......
Igor Akinfeev plays for CSKA Moscow in real life. I thought they were in the game, but they aren't. Does anyone know how to get him?
goodydic 31-10-2007, 04:12:AM what does the team growth thingy do in manager mode. is it good to have it on? just wondering if anyone can help me
bob_ng_1989 31-10-2007, 07:46:AM Actually the best young keeper in the game is Jerry Nelsen (Denmark) who should be available to be scouted from the beginning of manager mode and starts out at 96 and reaches at least 98. Ian Livesey (England) is not far behind (starts at 95, peaks at 96 by default, but may even end up being slightly better depending on their relative potential boosts) but doesn't become available until season five or so. If you prefer someone that develops from a lower level then look out for Felipe (Brazil) who starts out with an overall of 74 in the first season but should grow to at least 88/89.
have anyone found Ian Livesey or Jerry Nelsen? my scout cant find him despite many attempts..
futzy99 31-10-2007, 08:47:PM Yeah, I tried for Jerry Nelson with a Level 10 scout a few times and couldn't find him.
Ashman23 01-11-2007, 07:39:AM I think someone is blowing smoke up our a$ses.
MancoBlanco 01-11-2007, 05:14:PM Can someone post the ratings of the following players after about 5/6 years or more :)
- Nuri Sahin (Feyenoord)
- Jonathan de Guzman (Feyenoord)
- Nicky Hofs (Feyenoord)
- Luigi Bruins (Feyenoord)
- Ron Vlaar (Feyenoord)
- Sherif Ekramy (Feyenoord)
- Ismail Aissati (PSV)
- Ibrahim Affelay (PSV)
- Otman Bakkal (PSV)
- Gregory van der Wiel (Ajax)
- Urby Emanuelson (Ajax)
- Stijn Schaars (AZ)
- Ryan Donk (AZ)
- Gianni Zuiverloon (Heerenveen)
- Afonso Alves (Heerenveen)
- Nordin Amrabat (VVV-Venlo)
Thanks in advance :)
chchan 04-11-2007, 12:27:PM - Nuri Sahin (Feyenoord) >> 84 (season 8)
- Jonathan de Guzman (Feyenoord) >> 88 (season 8)
- Nicky Hofs (Feyenoord) >> 75 (season 6)
- Luigi Bruins (Feyenoord) >> 73 (season 6)
- Ron Vlaar (Feyenoord) >> 81 (season 8)
- Sherif Ekramy (Feyenoord) >> 77 (season 6)
- Afonso Alves (Heerenveen) >> 82 (season 8)
sreg0r 05-11-2007, 09:50:AM Yeah, I tried for Jerry Nelson with a Level 10 scout a few times and couldn't find him.
He definitely does exist as I found him in the database.
These should be the best keepers in the game if you're able to scout them
Ian Livesey
Jerry Nelsen
Tullio Magnaldi
Adam Mackie
Problem is I have no idea when they are available to be scouted.
Ashman23 05-11-2007, 11:17:AM Lloris is a good GK, his growth shows 84 as his peak but he's listed as Elite in his growth pattern so I believe he will get even higher.
crswind17 05-11-2007, 12:36:PM I don't know if this is the right thread to ask, it has connection to youngs :p
Anyway, I bought Oscar Ustari from Getafe as a suitable replacement for Canizares(started a career with Valencia :) )
So Ustari's rating is 87 now, but he's conceding unbelievable goals, low shot goes through his arms while diving, almost can't even catch a simple pass, but sometimes he makes huge saves.His morale is a bit low now, because i'm only in the second season so he didn't have much opportunity to play.
So the main question would be
Can the morale have a big affect to the player's performance?
Or..These blunders are because his morale is a bit low?
chachaldinho 06-11-2007, 02:49:AM Lloris is a good GK, his growth shows 84 as his peak but he's listed as Elite in his growth pattern so I believe he will get even higher.
errm, sorry to sound like a douche, but how are you reading fifa.dat? CM07 doesn't work on this year's ver...
Ashman23 06-11-2007, 05:52:AM errm, by looking at the game file to start with via the actual game, go to team management , edit player, the look at supporting attributes. Right down the bottom is growth or something and it lists Elite , Elite early bloomer etc. So by default they're listed for us to look at. I think there's another 'unseen' attribute as well for learning (CM08 will probably give us access) but in the mean time we can look at our leisure via the main fifa08 game.
chachaldinho 06-11-2007, 06:15:AM ahh, thanks. didn't know i could do that :D
sreg0r 06-11-2007, 07:07:AM DB Master 08. (http://www.sweetpatch.tv/index.cfm?articleid=1649&CFID=3069796&CFTOKEN=45117454) It's good for viewing the player database but I am wary of changing anything.
I'm still trying to figure out how the good/normal/elite/quick growth type and potential relate. For example Benzema has a potential of 89 and a growth style of normal yet he can grow to an overall of 96 and Cassio has a potential of 84 but is elite and grows to 91.
Bojan on the other hand is normal but with a potential of 92 and only grows to 90.
That is why I'm currently trying (and failing) to modify the scout so he can see player growth over more than 6 years as the younger players <18 grow over 7-9 years.
Javyol 06-11-2007, 09:59:AM DB Master 08. (http://www.sweetpatch.tv/index.cfm?articleid=1649&CFID=3069796&CFTOKEN=45117454) It's good for viewing the player database but I am wary of changing anything.
I'm still trying to figure out how the good/normal/elite/quick growth type and potential relate. For example Benzema has a potential of 89 and a growth style of normal yet he can grow to an overall of 96 and Cassio has a potential of 84 but is elite and grows to 91.
Bojan on the other hand is normal but with a potential of 92 and only grows to 90.
What levels are your staff? (coaches)
StevePitts 06-11-2007, 09:23:PM have anyone found Ian Livesey or Jerry Nelsen? my scout cant find him despite many attempts..
If this works the same as FIFA 07 (and I see no reason why not - these areas don't seem to have changed between the two versions) then I doubt you will find them by scouting, any more than you'd find Goeke or Drill in FIFA 07 by scouting. You will have to be patient and hope they get signed to a computer controlled team and you can sign them away. Just like Goeke/Drill they will be damned expensive though, because they start at such a high level.
I think someone is blowing smoke up our a$ses.
How so?? If you have DB Master (or UniDB or some other similar tool) then you can find those players for yourself and see that their individual attributes are high enough to produce the overall rating given. I don't know of any tools other than my dump programs that will calculate the overall ratings, but you can always create a player that matches the attributes found in the database to prove that I'm not talking rubbish.
I'm still trying to figure out how the good/normal/elite/quick growth type and potential relate
I believe that this is all unchanged from FIFA 07, so I'll quote myself from the archives on the official EA UK forums:
"Each combination of development style (eg. Elite, Sleeper) and development type (eg. Early Bloomer) maps to one of fifteen curves along which the player's skill attributes develop. The type is also used to map to one of three curves for physical attribute development (ie. acceleration, sprint speed, stamina, strength and GK reflexes).
The shape of the Average, Gifted and Elite curves are essentially the same - a steady increase to a plateau of several years and then a gradual decline - but Elite players generally grow a little more and spend a little longer at or near peak than Gifted, and Gifted a little more than Average. The shape of the other two styles is fairly obvious from their names, with Short Prime being similar to Average but taking slightly longer to peak and then falling away almost immediately and Sleeper showing little or no improvement for some years before suddenly blossoming to a plateau that is similar to Elite but generally shorter.
However, the thing to bear in mind with development curves is that they are not the be-all and end-all when it comes to player growth because there is an overriding cap to improvements - the player's potential value (which is hidden even for created players). Thus an Elite player may suddenly stop growing because they've reached their potential rather than the plateau of their curve whilst an Average player continues to grow because they have the room to do so under their potential."
On top of all that you have the XP system to factor in, which has two effects (bugs notwithstanding) in that it provides a boost to potential of anything between 1 and 9 points (or more accurately between the learningspeed value and four more than that value) plus boosts to individual attributes (which are still capped by potential).
Ashman23 06-11-2007, 09:49:PM How so?? If you have DB Master (or UniDB or some other similar tool) then you can find those players for yourself and see that their individual attributes are high enough to produce the overall rating given. I don't know of any tools other than my dump programs that will calculate the overall ratings, but you can always create a player that matches the attributes found in the database to prove that I'm not talking rubbish.
Yeah, sorry . I've since found the names listed, just thought they sounded too good to be true. I didn't have 07 so didn't know about scouting for really high players to be a real thing. Good to see you're OK, too Steve.
tmle04 08-11-2007, 07:22:AM what is LIONEL MESSI growth??? whats his OVERALL after a certain seasons?
StevePitts 08-11-2007, 10:49:PM what is LIONEL MESSI growth??? whats his OVERALL after a certain seasons?
If left on a computer controlled team he will reach 93 in season three and stay there for ten or eleven seasons. If signed to the manager's team he should get a potential boost of at least five, and thus will end up with a potential of either 98 or 99, which should see him reach at least 97 (and probably 98) in either season three or four.
MarkMis 09-11-2007, 02:08:PM Messi:
In year 4 he's 93 in my game, but get this. He's also worth 31,000,000 pounds. I can't round up that much cash.
bob_ng_1989 09-11-2007, 03:12:PM If left on a computer controlled team he will reach 93 in season three and stay there for ten or eleven seasons. If signed to the manager's team he should get a potential boost of at least five, and thus will end up with a potential of either 98 or 99, which should see him reach at least 97 (and probably 98) in either season three or four.
my messi is 97 in season 3.... btw,StevePitts how did u find out abt such things?
juventinu 09-11-2007, 06:29:PM forza Juventus Torino.......:rockman:
tmle04 09-11-2007, 06:35:PM so who should i buy messi or pato or CR7 or Rooney.......???? from what i heard they all can reach 99......
StevePitts 09-11-2007, 08:09:PM StevePitts how did u find out abt such things?
Because I spent a lot of time figuring out how player growth worked in FIFA 07, so that my EAFFAnalyser utility (http://www.fifa-mra.com/EAFFAnalyser/index.shtml) could output accurate overall ratings when reporting on career mode, and nothing seems to have changed in that regard for FIFA 08.
tmle04 09-11-2007, 11:22:PM who should i buy MESSI or PATO or CR7 or ROONEY.......???? from what i heard they all can reach 99......
sreg0r 10-11-2007, 01:02:AM Get Pato in your first season as his price increases the most and they are fairly evenly matched after 5/6 years.
who should i buy MESSI or PATO or CR7 or ROONEY.......???? from what i heard they all can reach 99......
Ashman23 10-11-2007, 02:47:AM who should i buy MESSI or PATO or CR7 or ROONEY.......???? from what i heard they all can reach 99......
Maybe you should find out for yourself and not keep posting the same post until someone answers you.
goodydic 13-11-2007, 01:26:AM just a quick query....if you edit a player's age or his stats, will that have an effect on his growth throughout a season? example... if i change Messi's age to 16, will he still peak at the same age? or earlier....
chiboygeorge 13-11-2007, 03:30:AM just a quick query....if you edit a player's age or his stats, will that have an effect on his growth throughout a season? example... if i change Messi's age to 16, will he still peak at the same age? or earlier....
Yes...It also depends on the type of growth you edit him into
Ex. Elite, Gifted, Average etc. all have different peak
Ashman23 13-11-2007, 06:43:AM Found another one in France. C Seigre CB starts at 76 then by year 4 is 86. Found him in my third year so I can't see how much he will peak at.
StevePitts 13-11-2007, 08:35:PM if you edit a player's age or his stats, will that have an effect on his growth throughout a season?
Yes. In general terms if you make a player younger then they will grow further. Any increase to attributes will be amplified by the growth system.
goodydic 14-11-2007, 11:08:AM Yes. In general terms if you make a player younger then they will grow further. Any increase to attributes will be amplified by the growth system.
okey dokey thnx for that
SC sXe 18-11-2007, 04:49:PM Where do you find the development curve for players on your team? Feels like I've searched everywhere...
pernunz 19-11-2007, 10:59:AM Why hasn't anyone here mentioned Jesus Navas from PSV?
He starts at 85 ovr, in my team (2014 atm) he's 97 when played on LM
Also, something i noticed, it seems that each league has a hidden rating, because as you search lower leagues, players overall stats drop and hence prices drop.
Arsenal got relegated in my season with west ham (hahahaha they had a + GD as well) which was pure coincidence, so next transfer window i searched for and bought fabregas and van persie for a combined $21M. (11M and 10M) When i bought them they're overalls rose by about 8-10 each, and values went to a combined $45M. I also noticed that by buying players from rest of the world, CCC brazilian and dutch leagues give best overall improvements
Tawalkana 19-11-2007, 12:03:PM I just started a new season with West Ham.
Season 1 -- Season 2
ST Bojan - 76 -- 81
ST Craig Bellamy 78 -- 79
ST Carlton Cole 73 -- 74
ST Victor Mosses 58 -- 62
CAM Giovanni Dos Santos 76 -- 81
CAM Kieron Dyer 79 -- 79
CM Scott Parker 82 -- 84
CM Jermaine Jenas 78 -- 79
CM Denilson 76 -- 81
CM Mark Noble 72 -- 76
RM Fredric Ljundberg 81 -- 80
RB Glenn Johnson 76 -- 77
RB Jonathon Spector 68 -- 71
CB Anton Ferdinand 78 -- 84
CB Matthew Upson 79 -- 81
CB James Collins 72 -- 73
CB Breno 65 -- 69
LB Brayan Angulu 61 -- 63
GK Felipe 76 -- 79
GK Eastwood 56 -- 59
Season 2 Pickups
ST Edu 81
CB Robert Huth 83
I have been searching for that Cameroon Striker and have yet to find him... my guy has been on constant search :p
Giovanni Dos Santos
Kerlon
Alexandre Pato
Fabregas
Denilson
Anderson
Nani
Babel
Edu
Altidore
Felipe
are probably some of the better player young players in the game. with this west ham season I went dumpster diving looking for young players at ages 16/17. I found 3 that could probably help my squad out eventually(Victor Moses, Breno, Brayan Angulu) Only time will tell though.
StevePitts 20-11-2007, 10:55:PM Where do you find the development curve for players on your team?
Once you've started a career there is no way to find development curve information from within manager mode, but for players that are assigned to teams at the start of a career you can use Team Management > Edit Player and scroll down to the bottom of the supporting attributes list where you will find Player Growth.
The alternative is to use a third-party tool that reveals that information, which at the moment limits you to DB Master, UniDB and any other database level editor that has been updated for (or already worked with) FIFA 08. My own EAFFAnalyser includes that information in the CSV output but the FIFA 08 version is still in beta testing.
it seems that each league has a hidden rating, because as you search lower leagues, players overall stats drop and hence prices drop
Whilst leagues do have a prestige level, just as teams do, that you cannot see, I don't believe that that factors into transfers. The reason that player's overall ratings drop in lower leagues is simply that the players aren't as good - a player with identical primary attribute values at Man U to a player at Dagenham & Redbridge will have the same overall rating. The reason that their value drops is that team prestige factors into the player value calculation.
i searched for and bought fabregas and van persie for a combined $21M. (11M and 10M) When i bought them they're overalls rose by about 8-10 each, and values went to a combined $45M
This has nothing to do with the teams or leagues involved - the same would happen if you signed those players to Accrington Stanley - but is a side effect of the match XP system. Any player signed to the manager's team gets a boost to their potential of between one and nine points (theoretically between zero and fifteen, but my observations indicate that the actual increase is between the learningspeed value and four more than that value) so if they are currently constrained by their potential then their individual attributes (and therefore their overall) will increase by up to the increase in potential.
Van Persie is definitely limited by his potential after the first season, and his potential gets boosted by seven points (I just happen to have somebody else's Arsenal career details as one of my test beds), whilst Fabregas will be capped after five seasons at 89, but he gets a boost of nine points and can then grow to 96 (yes, I know that theoretically it should be 98, but you'd only get him that high via match XP attribute boosts because of the way that physical attributes are developed along a different growth curve to skill/mental attributes)
I found 3 that could probably help my squad out eventually(Victor Moses, Breno, Brayan Angulu) Only time will tell though.
I won't spoil your fun but I reckon you've got one that will grow into a superstar (ie. 85 or better overall), one solid journeyman (high 70s) and one relative bust (less than 70)
SC sXe 20-11-2007, 11:27:PM Once you've started a career there is no way to find development curve information from within manager mode, but for players that are assigned to teams at the start of a career you can use Team Management > Edit Player and scroll down to the bottom of the supporting attributes list where you will find Player Growth.
The alternative is to use a third-party tool that reveals that information, which at the moment limits you to DB Master, UniDB and any other database level editor that has been updated for (or already worked with) FIFA 08. My own EAFFAnalyser includes that information in the CSV output but the FIFA 08 version is still in beta testing.
Thanks Steve, appreciated. I'm playing on 360 so mucking about with database tools though is probably not an option for me. Good to know that you can find the development curves at least...
SC sXe 21-11-2007, 09:09:AM Actually it doesn't seem to exist on the 360 version. When I go into team management>edit player, there's no category called supporting attributes.
All there is are attacking, defending, skills, power, movement, mentality, goalkeeping and traits.
I've looked in every category and doesn't sem to find it. There is one thing called curve in the skill category that could be it, but I don't know. Piqué for instance has 50 out of a possible 100 on this curve which seems a little bit low if that is supposed to visualize his future. Looks like we 360-user's been shafted just like with the "Be a Pro".
StevePitts 21-11-2007, 09:40:PM It is quite possible that player development works completely differently on the 360/PS3 version of the game, so I'm afraid my knowledge of the PC version isn't going to help you much :(
However, the reason that I don't wrap my posts in caveats to that effect is that there is a separate forum for the 360/PS3 version of the game, so I tend to assume that it will be PS2/PC users here
goodydic 22-11-2007, 10:47:AM I've looked in every category and doesn't sem to find it. There is one thing called curve in the skill category that could be it, .
SC sXe, the curve attribute is a players ability to curve the ball when he takes free kicks, a player with a high rating such as 90/100 can curve it much more then a player such as Pique, who only has 50/100........you can test this in the arena.
chiboygeorge 26-11-2007, 05:20:AM I need a Good CM ....... im ManUtd so Fabregas/Johnson and others cant come to me cuz they are rivals
Big Devil 27-11-2007, 07:06:PM I need a Good CM ....... im ManUtd so Fabregas/Johnson and others cant come to me cuz they are rivals
i'm playing with ManUtd too and i'm using Obi Mikel (92) and Miguel Veloso (90)
cannonbomber 12-12-2007, 11:22:PM some good youngs that haven't been mentioned yet:
- giles barnes/derby county/73 to 90 in 4 seasons
- nasri / marseille / 94 after 5 seasons
Deni_Rossonero 13-12-2007, 12:51:AM Why do you need someone to tell you what are the best young players, just start the manager mode go to transfers search for players with a minimum 60 or 65 overall and a maximum of 99 and sort them by age,from the youngest to the oldest, then just write down the names of the players that cost the most in accordance to their overall - these are the ones that have massive growth
Example : Ever Banega (River Plate has 70 overall but is worth somewhere about 1.5 mil, when some other players that have 70 rating don't cost that much because they don't grow so high.
Rakitic from Shalke also has somewhere around 75(maybe 74?) in the beginning but costs almost 6 mil, he goes to 98/99 really fast
Have in mind that players position also determines their value, so a good defender would cost less than an equally good attacker.
Hope this helps.
Also i think that having a goal of having a 99 overall team is excessive and i consider players that have a rating of 80 to 85 best because frankly if Torres (86) isn't good for you - there's something wrong with you!:)
StevePitts 13-12-2007, 09:41:PM Have in mind that players position also determines their value, so a good defender would cost less than an equally good attacker
One other caveat to this approach is that team prestige also plays into player value, so the same player will command a higher value when on the Man U squad compared to Dagenham & Redbridge.
Deni_Rossonero 13-12-2007, 10:32:PM One other caveat to this approach is that team prestige also plays into player value, so the same player will command a higher value when on the Man U squad compared to Dagenham & Redbridge.
You're right, i didn't notice that but now that you have said it i remember
Ever Banega having higher value in AC MILAN than in inter:)
goodydic 18-12-2007, 10:17:PM has anyone found that later on in manager mode, scouted players are identicle, i search the transfer market and ther is about 10 RW's that range between 85-89 with identicle traits and identicle stats, only diff thing between them is their name and prefered foot. and its the same with other positions aswell
Minho10 19-12-2007, 06:12:PM I am in the 5th season, and so far these ratings are ratings i think their limit will be, and also what they are at this point, this is good info because i scout like crazy and and try to look for the best players. When scouting players make sure that most of all your staff upgrades are 9/10. Because when you scout players, some you might see an average rating limit in the growth curve but when you bring them on your team and your staff upgrades levels are good, they get better by 2-3 ratings on their limit. I will state a list of the scouted players after i state a list of the young best players.
All these players are 88 and above. Also every one of them were 23 years old or younger when you first start manager mode, but MOST are much younger.
Josmer Altidore - ST - 88
Bojan - ST - 91
Gio Dos Santos - 97
Lulinha - CAM - 94
Patrik - ST - 91
Toni Kroos - CAM - 89
Gareth Bale - LB - 91
Alexandre Pato - ST - 98
Adel Taarabt - CAM - 90
Carlos Vela - ST - 90
Anderson Silva - CAM - 95
Marcelo Moreno Garcia - ST - 93
Cesc Fabregas - CM - 96
Robin Van Persie - CF - 92
Denilson - CM - 89
Carlos Eduardo Marques - ST - 95
Ivan Rakitic - CAM - 92
Sergio Ramos Garcia(awesome and cool) - RB - 94
Barragan - RB - 90
Rafinha - RWB - 90
Giles Barnes - LWM - 91
Jon Obi Mikel - CM - 92
Micah Richards - CB - 91
Nani - LWM - 93
Sergio Kun Aguero - ST - 96
Manuel Neuer - GK - 92
Cassio - GK - 91
Renatinho - CAM - 91
Silva - LM - 92
Jesus Navas - RWM - 98
James Vaughn - CF - 90
Lionel Messi - RF - 94
Hatem Ben Arfa - CF - 91
Samir Nasri - CAM - 91
Aaron Lennon - RWM - 93
Karim Benzema - ST - 89
Steven Naismith - CF - 90
Diego - CAM - 90
Wayne Rooney - ST - 92
Scott Brown - CM - 89
Aaron Hunt - CF - 88
Fernando Torres - ST - 90
Cristiano Ronaldo - RWM - 94
Per Mertesacker - CB - 93
Here are the scouted players, i can't really remember the years i got them from, but be grateful. Not sure about their limit but they are all over 86. My team is Chelsea and I think there are some players in some areas that are not in others when scouted. My brother uses AC Milan and got some scouted players i didn't have and I searched for them and couldn't find them. There are only 2 players that I couldn't find: Grandet CF and Rindler ST, and there are some players on mine that my brother can't find. We are both in the 5th season so it must be area or the fact that he has a PSP and mine a PS2 and they could be different.
Key: REALLY GOOD: +++++
Pretty Good: ++++
Good: +++
Angel Javier Arroyo - LM - Spain +++++
Raul Fernando Martin Pastor - CAM - Spain +++
Leonard Laigle - Foward - France ++++
Bum-Kun Ha - CB - Asia/Ocieana +++++
Claude Seigre - CB - France ++++
Mfaki Omaboe - ST - Africa ++++
Ian Blackwood - CAM - Africa +++
Claudio Chichinni - CM - Italy +++
William Morris - LB - England +++
Kyle Cartwright - CB - England +++
Christoph Puntigam - LWB - Rest of Europe ++++
David Tracey - RWM - From Australia +++
Fernando Ruben Cortes Sixto - ST - Spain ++++
Nicolas Thomas - ST - Africa +++
Kyle Bridge - ST - Americas ++++
Roquentin - ST - Americas ++++
Martin Satrke - GK - Germany +++
Simon Tipton - CB - England +++
Lopes Soares - ST - Africa +++
When scouting all these guys come between 1st season to early in the 5th season.
tartanterror 25-12-2007, 05:21:PM Found a few more to add. . . If these have already been posted my apologies
Baran Cansever YOB 1991 CDM Turkey (Rest of Europe)
Available at season 1 - peaks at 89 by season 8
Robert Treveiler YOB 1995 CB France
Available season 4 peaks at 90 by season 13
Patrick Summerauer YOB 1992 RWM Switzerland (rest of Europe)
available season 1 peaks at 89 by season 14
hectic 31-12-2007, 03:13:AM - Fabrice Mosse (CB) France (born 1995) 51->86 (he goes from 76 to 86 at one stage during his growth LOL)
- Ben Stanford (CB) England (born 1995) 58->77
- Matt Coe (LB) England (born 1995) 71-90
- Joe Lambert (ST) England (born 1994) 57-83
- Andre Jungwirth (CF) Austia (born 1996) 61-86
- Liam Harewood (CF) Iceland (born 1993) 57-90
Other players are Kyle Cartwright (England) (CB) who seems to peak at 89, David Tracey (Australia) (RWM) at 87, Simon Tipton (England) (CB) at 88
This is coming from my 5th season in manager mode. Hope this helps :)
sreg0r 01-01-2008, 03:14:AM Will Crilly - RWM - Sweden
DOB:1994
found at OVR 73 in 5th season, reaches OVR 98 in 12th season and 99 in 13th season.
NaFeR 01-01-2008, 03:34:AM In 9 seasons (FC Barcelona):
GOALKEEPER: Petr Cech = 93 ; Guillermo Ochoa = 89
DEFENSE: Victor Kompany = 95 ; Claude Cloutier = 93 ; Per Mertesacker = 96 ; Gareth Bale = 94
MIDFIELDERS: Cristiano Ronaldo = 99 ; Jhon Brewster = 96 ; Aaron Lennon = 98
FORWARDS: Alexandre Pato = 99 ; Lionel Messi = 99 ; Wayne Rooney = 99
Greetings from Argentina
AllexON 01-01-2008, 02:03:PM Priskin very nice player!
bybuti 01-01-2008, 02:22:PM Bojan - ST - 91
Gio Dos Santos - 97
:p
hectic 09-01-2008, 06:25:AM I'm in the 7th season and this 15 yo has popped up in my youth academy
- Michel Dutoit (RF) France (born 1997) 67->91 192 cm
Minho10 09-01-2008, 05:54:PM yea got some more
josh walton LM 90 africa 6th season
jerry nelsen GK 97 rest of eur 7th season
matt coe LB 90 england 5th season
Willy Crilly RWM 99 rest of eur 5th season
Angel Luis Cazorla RB 97 spain 3rd season
matt naylor CF 91 england 5th season
there are lots more just go to
forums.electronicarts.co.uk/fifa-08-current-gen/291247-best-talents-08-a-13.html - 140k - and go to the 3rd page there is really good info there that's all you need.
StevePitts 11-01-2008, 09:55:PM I'm in the 7th season and this 15 yo has popped up in my youth academy
- Michel Dutoit (RF) France (born 1997) 67->91 192 cm
A nice find. By default he grows to 93 in the couple of seasons before the end of manager mode, but once signed to the manager's team he gets a five point boost to potential and will grow to 98
go to the 3rd page there is really good info there that's all you need
Actually to be fair to the young laddie who started the thread, and who has kept the initial post in the thread up to date with all of the confirmed findings, I would recommend starting with the first post:
The Best Scouted Talents In 08! (http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/fifa-08-current-gen/291247-best-talents-08-a.html)
hectic 18-01-2008, 02:15:AM Season 8, these players look like they will still grow beyond these figures
- George Alexopolous (CB) Greece (born 1996) 68->85
- Sam Barras (CM) England (born 1998) 61->83
- Terpak Blahoslav (CAM) Czech Republic (born 1999) 61->83
- Jack Kirby (ST) England (born 1999) 66->83
StevePitts 18-01-2008, 09:39:PM Jack Kirby (ST) England (born 1999) 66->83
The other three I posted about in the EA UK forum thread linked to above, but this fellow will peak at 90 when signed to the manager's team, although I'm surprised that you found him in season eight, because I'd reckon he was too young (unless your years are out of sync because you've switched between spring and autumn leagues)
hectic 18-01-2008, 10:21:PM I'm surprised that you found him in season eight, because I'd reckon he was too young (unless your years are out of sync because you've switched between spring and autumn leagues)
Yeah pretty weird eh? xD Before I formatted and forgot to back up my FIFA files I had another career going with Wycombe and found David Tracey in around the 10th season or something, whereas this time with my Liverpool team I found him much earlier (around the 3rd, can't really reember). The weird thing is that in both cases I didn't switch between spring and autumn leagues :S :o
btw StevePitts, how do find out this info? I presume you have to access the database, but how? http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/4773505-post72.html
I've been using CM08 to access info on player retirement ages, development etc, but it doesnt really show what they peak at and when.
edit: Kirby came through my youth academy
bdurnan 26-01-2008, 05:00:PM guess what happened when i was plying fifa and a was playing around with my squad i put the formation barca on and put aguero into LDM and his overall rating went to 100 and i thought it could only go to 99 bt when i was about to play a game when i went to manage team and his rating was 77 :junior: :hump:
StevePitts 26-01-2008, 08:05:PM put aguero into LDM and his overall rating went to 100
That is a bug, pure and simple, and was there in FIFA 07 too. The value in Team Management from the manager mode main menu is wrong. The value that you see after selecting Next Match and Manage Your Team, or in Team Management whilst actually playing the game, is the correct one.
bdurnan 27-01-2008, 05:39:PM cheers mate
am at my 3rd season at barca and my squad is immense im wondering nobody has mention nasri or navas as the two are key players to my squad :hit::p:jacko:
Ashman23 28-01-2008, 05:27:AM /\ I've got them and Silva.
Orlovi 25-05-2008, 03:12:AM hey i have fifa 08 for xbox 360 and do u guys know what the player growth is for these players
Miralem Sulejmani- SC Heerenveen
Marko Marin- Borussia Mönchengladbach
Bosko Jankovic- Palermo
Aleksandar Kolarov- Lazio
Dusko Tosic- Werder Bremen
Zdravko Kuzmanovic- Fiorentina
Milan Smiljanic (Lola)- Espanyol
Slobodan Rajkovic- PSV Eindhoven
* oh yea and Chelsea signed Branislav Ivanovic during the winter break and he's not in the game, so if i do an update of the game/teams online through live would he be out into the game?
Arnau 25-05-2008, 03:20:AM bojan 12301245214251
rockyj123 25-05-2008, 08:50:AM i think we should also discuss youngs that u can buy being a small club manager...i hate playin as big club manager coz they win every match....n its no
fun.. i switched to suderland and bought some players a like pique...
hes on 90 now....
and A Stokes 67-85.. 4 seasons...
JaWzZzZz 08-06-2008, 01:19:PM Hey guys, who's the best young keeper?
Well all of you are wrong. The best young keeper is a Russian guy called Akinfeev. He's not actually in the game, apart from being in the Russian squad, so you have to kind of manipulate the game to get him. Firstly, make a Russian goalkeeper and put them in the free agents. Then, go to the international selections and replace Akinfeev for your created player, which will make Akinfeev go to the free agents. When you've done that, make a manager mode, search for people in the free agents list, and hey presto! There is Akinfeev :D He's 85 overall to start off with and 21 years old. Absolutely brilliant goalkeeper if you ask me!
If you want a few more good signings, do the same to these players in the Netherlands team:
- Bert Ronhaar - 87 overall - 22 years old
- Michelangelo Van Der Poel - 85 overall - 23 years old
There is also a player on Croatia's side who you can't get called Luca Modric. He's got 84 overall and he's 21 years old. Just follow my steps again and you'll have him on your team :)
I hope this will help you get a few good signings and fresh ones, cause you're not actually meant to get these players
StevePitts 09-06-2008, 08:51:PM Well all of you are wrong. The best young keeper is a Russian guy called Akinfeev
I'm afraid you are wrong too. The best keepers in the game are two of the pool of youth players - Jerry Nelsen from Denmark, who is 99s across the board from season 3 onwards, and Ian Livesey from England, who achieves the same feat from season 7 onwards (both could get there quicker via the match XP system, but they aren't easy to find because they start off so high). Akinfeev peaks higher than any other real world player but his boosted potential is only 95 whereas Casillas' is 99 and Ochoa's is 98 so both can get higher than Igor with boosts from the match XP system (which are relatively easy to achieve for keepers)
JonnyJonny956 22-06-2008, 07:49:PM Well all of you are wrong. The best young keeper is a Russian guy called Akinfeev. He's not actually in the game, apart from being in the Russian squad, so you have to kind of manipulate the game to get him. Firstly, make a Russian goalkeeper and put them in the free agents. Then, go to the international selections and replace Akinfeev for your created player, which will make Akinfeev go to the free agents. When you've done that, make a manager mode, search for people in the free agents list, and hey presto! There is Akinfeev :D He's 85 overall to start off with and 21 years old. Absolutely brilliant goalkeeper if you ask me!
If you want a few more good signings, do the same to these players in the Netherlands team:
- Bert Ronhaar - 87 overall - 22 years old
- Michelangelo Van Der Poel - 85 overall - 23 years old
There is also a player on Croatia's side who you can't get called Luca Modric. He's got 84 overall and he's 21 years old. Just follow my steps again and you'll have him on your team :)
I hope this will help you get a few good signings and fresh ones, cause you're not actually meant to get these players
How do i put my created player into free agents ? Thanks
rockyj123 24-06-2008, 01:36:PM Anderson Pico-RWB-70-85 in 4 seasons..20 yrs old
Tiago Ronaldo-CM-68-85 in 4 seasons....18 yr old... i think hes ronaldos bro coz he from portugal too
gg 4 topic gg 4 more players:dance::dance::dance:
Sparrowgoose 11-08-2008, 11:35:AM Anderson Pico-RWB-70-85 in 4 seasons..20 yrs old
Tiago Ronaldo-CM-68-85 in 4 seasons....18 yr old... i think hes ronaldos bro coz he from portugal too
Mate there are a lot of 'Ronaldo's' from Portugal or Brazil. Anyway, I think this Tiago Ronaldo is a fake player from scoutlist.
Mfaki Omaboe - ST - 62 - 86 - 89 - Cameroon ive got with barca in first player scouted:mike::mike:
mexican player scouted from america-- his name is hope" 1991 has around 60 but speed 80/80 and hi si a big talent---:coffe-anim:
StevePitts 24-09-2008, 10:17:PM mexican player scouted from america-- his name is hope" 1991 has around 60 but speed 80/80 and hi si a big talent---:coffe-anim:
An interesting one. Thomas Hope is a LWM who should be available from the beginning of manager mode, starts at 65 overall (with 88 acceleration, 87 speed and 74 stamina), peaks at 81 between seasons 8 and 12 when signed to the manager's team and has a boosted potential of 90 (so plenty of room to grow through the match XP system - although IME wingers are not easy to push up even when played as often as they are fit and rested)
that is my player scoted write in last post :):bouncy:
StevePitts 26-09-2008, 09:16:PM that is my player scoted write in last post :):bouncy:
I know, I was just fleshing out the information about him
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